The reason some music sounds different is likely because they didn't put the SN76489 PSG sound chip in, as the Mega Drive had both an FM chip and PSG chip.
@@zanegandini5350 psg doesn't sound like its there but the *DAC* IS there, i can hear it ever so slightly. it sounds like they used a different sample though, like an 808 drum machine maybe? you can hear it more clearly in scrap brain, though even then it can be hard to hear for the normal ear. the samples are too in-time to be from a different sound source and it's not any of the fm patches because if it was any of scrap brains, why hear them in invincibility and vice versa? as for the psg, yeah that seems to be dead in the furthest place from that machine.
@@jinksgaming1715Not just Green Hill, all of Sonic 1 and 2's music belongs to Dreams Come True. That's the reason why half of the time they bring stages from those games back they won't have their original music.
@@Maybe_ImJacob Why don't people just spell out the whole phrase rather than looking for short abbreviations then? It only takes a few seconds to type such simple words! I mean if people do short abbreviations like that on their resumes, they're probably not paying attention in School.
I was thinking the exact same thing. I literally thought "Wait why does that sound like Cave Story more than sonic?" Edit I've narrowed it down to the two themes it sounds similar to; Gestation (First cave) and Yamashita farm
the only ufo catcher i ever won anything from was sega branded. there was a paper in the back that said "sega believes in fair play. every prize in this machine can be won", and every single item had a paper loop around it that the machine could hook onto.
Considering Scrap Brain Zone makes Sonic 1 one of few Sonic games to get more than one song in Smash Bros. and Sakurai pointed out in an interview that the song was recognisable from the Japanese claw machine, I'm pretty sure this influenced Sonic's song representation in Smash, and why it's one of the handful of classic Genesis tunes picked.
As I said on the other videos, these are beta versions of the songs! There's three unused songs in the ROM, two not heard in Sonic 1, as well as Spring Yard.
@@niffuM4205 Spring Yard has the extra bass note that's only present in the prototype and demo versions of the song. Scrap Brain is also incredibly unpolished code-wise. Additionally, Spring Yard has an even earlier version of the percussion track in its data, which lines up with the Music Collection version of the track (which pre-dates the one in the prototype). There's many more things, like the general unpolish of the data aligning with the prototype, but those are the key points.
Nope, i looked up the rom and it has its own hardware, it doesn't have the M68000 CPU running at 7.6 Mhz, instead, it runs with a Z80 at 8 Mhz (and that does not mean that it's faster than the Genesis)
this machine was specifically made for a set of small sonic the hedgehog ufo plushies in 1991, being the first sonic plushies produced to the public. the plushies are long gone but the machines are still in arcades but filled with random unrelated plushies
I’d be sick to have a fully themed Sonic Crane machine, but it’s still neat to see little pieces of Sonic in different stuff Sega owns sprinkled around like the certain few gas Cashiers and this crane machine. Very cool:)
As some have noted, the UFO Catcher board lacks the SN76489 PSG, only having a YM3438 (a CMOS version of the YM2612). The DAC, on the other hand, is a bit more complicated. The YM3438 has the same DAC as its YM2612, but it's unused on the UFO Catcher board due to technical limitations: without any buffering capability, it requires PCM data to be continuously pushed to it. On any and all Mega Drive/Genesis games that use the DAC, the console's Z80 processor actually spends most of its time driving the DAC by pushing PCM samples to it one byte at a time, doing absolutely nothing else in the case of games with 68k-based sound drivers, or only stopping at VBlank to update the FM channels and PSG in the case of games with Z80-based drivers (the sound driver used on the UFO Catcher board is apparently derived from Sega's SMPS Z80 Type 1 driver, which lacks DAC support). The UFO catcher board is run by a single Z80 which spends most of its time running the game, updating the FM channels on the YM3438 based on a timed interrupt generated by said chip. With the Z80 spending most of its time running the game, there's simply nothing available to push data to the DAC, hence why it is unused here.
there's two main reasons as to why it sounds different: due to its sound driver (and also probably lacking psg) the drums and the square sounds are missing/substituted these are also likely to be based off earlier versions of the in game songs, hence why scrap brain has that extra note.
The reason for the sound change: 1. There is no PSG channels 2. There is no Motorola 68000 so there is no CPU to drive the DAC channel. Thus, there is only FM drums. (later Sonic games use the Z80 CPU of the Master System to drive the PCM audio)
I think the most interesting part of these is the fact that they were origonally distributed as sonic spacific machines, as were stocked with the first sonic UFO plush set ever released.
That invincibility/title screen theme sounds more like the slower ending remix. (And I think that the ending version was a bit heavier on that BASS than the intro & invincibility versions. The invincibility version is obviously the fastest running variant, too.)
I also remember that most Pinball tables from the 90's have this kind of sound in them, like Stern, Williams, etc. One table I recall which might have the best representation of this would probably be Gottlieb's Rescue 911. Also not to mention Fish Tales by Williams.
I have so much nostalgia for the original Sonic the Hedgehog, I still play the games to this day, but something about these songs being played through a Crane Machine of all things, really does inject pure nostalgia right into my veins! Sega truly was something else back in the day!
In a modern trend chasing videogame landscape where most of the AAA industry has shifted its focus to dishing out cheap content in the form of live service games or ruining linear titles by forcing them to be open world or using political agendas as a substitute for good story or character writing, Sega needs to come back. The demand for quality games has never been higher and is usually only obtainable from indie companies these days. We need a AAA company that won't choose the whales as their demographic. Sega could be that company.
I used to pass by cranes like this as a kid and enjoyed the music because I didnt own a Genesis yet. I always actually enjoyed Sonic for the music, and gameplay was secondary, but i still turned into a crazy Sonic fan
This is such a huge deal to me! Thank you so much for sharing this! I'm a huge Ym2612 fan and nerd, played with gym files for thousands of hours listening to different instrument tracks.
I only just realized that the "ym" in ".gym" is for Yamaha and the Ym2612. "g" is probably for Genesis and could indicate that the file format was made by North American fans or just that it was more clear and catchier that "mym" or less druggy than "mda".
The perfect loop. He doesn’t even say anything, just pulls the ol’ “same video clip at the beginning and end” trick! Also the claw machine looks cool. Would probably have more fun with it than with an actual Sonic game.
I could imagine myself just standing around the machine if only there was a way to return to the 90s, where these things probably would have been everywhere
I love this. Absolutely fabulous. I actually just *beat* sonic 1 the other day, using Origins. I had always played it, but never beat it. Oh these songs sound beautiful
The lack of PSG from the Master System sound chip and what sounds like disabled samples mainly the drumming samples makes them sound slightly different. This is mainly noticeable with the "Invincibility" music.
your comment just sent me down quite a rabbit hole - you’re referring to “Love Won’t Wait”, right? because yeah, it’s a VERY strong resemblance hahahah
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It's a shame that Kazuma spent most of the 90's in prison, or else we'd be able to experience these in a Yakuza game.
Ten years in the joint made you miss Crane game with sonic soundtrack
Other characters in the Yakuza series weren't in jail. Maybe it will be in Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth? lol
Didn't kiryu go to prison in 1995
@@DJD02lol
It was in 1995 so it was less than half rather than "most of the 90s"
The reason some music sounds different is likely because they didn't put the SN76489 PSG sound chip in, as the Mega Drive had both an FM chip and PSG chip.
Yeah I was gonna say the PSG parts seem to be missing/replaced
Either that or it's just the age affecting it, given it over 30 years old
Doesn’t seem like the DAC channel is being used either
@@astron4606Yeah, no PSG or samples. The PSG missing is expected, but the DAC was part of the YM2612 itself, so it's weird that they're missing.
@@zanegandini5350 psg doesn't sound like its there but the *DAC* IS there, i can hear it ever so slightly. it sounds like they used a different sample though, like an 808 drum machine maybe? you can hear it more clearly in scrap brain, though even then it can be hard to hear for the normal ear.
the samples are too in-time to be from a different sound source and it's not any of the fm patches because if it was any of scrap brains, why hear them in invincibility and vice versa?
as for the psg, yeah that seems to be dead in the furthest place from that machine.
That scrap brain zone sounds sick
Marble zone sounds even more sick
@@buizelmeme6288nah you guy's are wrong it's the title
Starlight Zone is the sickiest, the smooth chill beats are bumpin’
@@ELZ00M how the hell is star light the best it sounds the same
@@Sonic-Gmail.yourtooslow what are you gonna do, hit me with your mean bean machine?
I can't believe sega didn't include green hill in something sonic 1 related, how could they
Because sonic was brand new. That stage hadn't become as iconic as it is now
its because green hill zone is made by a real band. if they were to use it they would have to pay royalties
@@jinksgaming1715Not just Green Hill, all of Sonic 1 and 2's music belongs to Dreams Come True. That's the reason why half of the time they bring stages from those games back they won't have their original music.
@@GuyWithThePieWell they brought it back for Sonic Mania, so why not Sonic Forces?
@@SpeedyNinja1152 Clearly an indicator of which project had more love put into it 😏
POV: crane game has more accurate sound than emulation
Well it literally uses the same sound chip
I hear the Sega Genesis did also
Call me ignorant for asking, but what does "POV" stand for?
@@G.L.999"Point Of View" i think
@@Maybe_ImJacob Why don't people just spell out the whole phrase rather than looking for short abbreviations then? It only takes a few seconds to type such simple words! I mean if people do short abbreviations like that on their resumes, they're probably not paying attention in School.
That version of Marble Zone feels more like a Cave Story track than anything. Wild!
I couldn't even hear it!
I was thinking the exact same thing. I literally thought "Wait why does that sound like Cave Story more than sonic?"
Edit I've narrowed it down to the two themes it sounds similar to; Gestation (First cave) and Yamashita farm
What have you said?
@@lancelnceare you following me or am I following you
@@fastesthedgehog ┐(シ)┌
the only ufo catcher i ever won anything from was sega branded. there was a paper in the back that said "sega believes in fair play. every prize in this machine can be won", and every single item had a paper loop around it that the machine could hook onto.
SEGA kicks ass like that! ❤
Considering Scrap Brain Zone makes Sonic 1 one of few Sonic games to get more than one song in Smash Bros. and Sakurai pointed out in an interview that the song was recognisable from the Japanese claw machine, I'm pretty sure this influenced Sonic's song representation in Smash, and why it's one of the handful of classic Genesis tunes picked.
I always found it weird how you could opt to play Scrap Brain music on the Green Hill stage.
@@GamingTopTeni mean, they had songs from several sonic games you could use on the green hill stage too
Scrap brain ain’t an odd one out
As a major Sonic fan, I'm really surprised that these UFO catchers still exist! I mean, 1991 to 2023? That's so cool!
Way past cool!!!
agreed
They were definitely built to last
Still amazes me that old tech like this is still running!
As I said on the other videos, these are beta versions of the songs! There's three unused songs in the ROM, two not heard in Sonic 1, as well as Spring Yard.
uhh proof??
@@niffuM4205 Spring Yard has the extra bass note that's only present in the prototype and demo versions of the song. Scrap Brain is also incredibly unpolished code-wise. Additionally, Spring Yard has an even earlier version of the percussion track in its data, which lines up with the Music Collection version of the track (which pre-dates the one in the prototype). There's many more things, like the general unpolish of the data aligning with the prototype, but those are the key points.
“New ufo catches” also it released 32 years ago
new wave: allow me to introduce myself
New super mario bros: Let me execute myself
Never put "new" in the name of something lol. New Famicom, New Nintendo 3DS
It's missing the PSG chip, making them use the FM chip for everything, making the PCM channel unavailable.
Yep, it's missing the Texas Instruments SN76489
The PTSD from the Yakuza series is real.
Pocket Circuit Veterans from 0: *"Amateur."*
When you said the claw machine had the sound chip inside it I legit thought you meant you could fish it out with the crane lmfao
Bro same
holy cow that loop was so clean I thought the video was just straight up continuing
This is actually referenced to in the "Uncle from Another World" anime
I'm glad that I'm not alone on that. Also the anime itself is absolute underrated BTW. An absolute Hidden Gem
These are possibly prototype versions of the sonic 1 bgm tracks, there were also in some early development stuff.
Nope, i looked up the rom and it has its own hardware, it doesn't have the M68000 CPU running at 7.6 Mhz, instead, it runs with a Z80 at 8 Mhz (and that does not mean that it's faster than the Genesis)
Thought Cybershell had started posting shorts for a moment there
star light zone makes me want to call my local witch doctor
Tell Sonic Team even a Crane Game from 1991 can resist referencing Green Hill Zone
this machine was specifically made for a set of small sonic the hedgehog ufo plushies in 1991, being the first sonic plushies produced to the public. the plushies are long gone but the machines are still in arcades but filled with random unrelated plushies
Literally the only perfect loop I've ever seen on YT shorts
Fr
literally seamless
and it doesn’t have something like “and that’s why” or something like that thrown onto the end
All I could picture was sonic waving his finger for the intro music
OMG!! ITS THE YAKUZA CRANE
I’d be sick to have a fully themed Sonic Crane machine, but it’s still neat to see little pieces of Sonic in different stuff Sega owns sprinkled around like the certain few gas Cashiers and this crane machine. Very cool:)
this ufo catcher looks like the one in mania that you have to chase to get the emerald
As some have noted, the UFO Catcher board lacks the SN76489 PSG, only having a YM3438 (a CMOS version of the YM2612). The DAC, on the other hand, is a bit more complicated. The YM3438 has the same DAC as its YM2612, but it's unused on the UFO Catcher board due to technical limitations: without any buffering capability, it requires PCM data to be continuously pushed to it. On any and all Mega Drive/Genesis games that use the DAC, the console's Z80 processor actually spends most of its time driving the DAC by pushing PCM samples to it one byte at a time, doing absolutely nothing else in the case of games with 68k-based sound drivers, or only stopping at VBlank to update the FM channels and PSG in the case of games with Z80-based drivers (the sound driver used on the UFO Catcher board is apparently derived from Sega's SMPS Z80 Type 1 driver, which lacks DAC support).
The UFO catcher board is run by a single Z80 which spends most of its time running the game, updating the FM channels on the YM3438 based on a timed interrupt generated by said chip. With the Z80 spending most of its time running the game, there's simply nothing available to push data to the DAC, hence why it is unused here.
there's two main reasons as to why it sounds different:
due to its sound driver (and also probably lacking psg) the drums and the square sounds are missing/substituted
these are also likely to be based off earlier versions of the in game songs, hence why scrap brain has that extra note.
The reason for the sound change:
1. There is no PSG channels
2. There is no Motorola 68000 so there is no CPU to drive the DAC channel. Thus, there is only FM drums. (later Sonic games use the Z80 CPU of the Master System to drive the PCM audio)
I think the most interesting part of these is the fact that they were origonally distributed as sonic spacific machines, as were stocked with the first sonic UFO plush set ever released.
I heard the unmistakable sound of donkey Kong in the background for a second there.
Same
I actually just saw this on my layover in Japan and took some footage as well lol, I knew I noticed that the songs were different versions
it sounds like the songs are just a pitch higher, my guess so that you can hear the claw game while playing it.
Every single person has to know the last one
Nah, Scrap Brain Zone beat just hits so hard it can mess with your brain in a scrap 🧠
It sounds awesome
When you said it had sega hardware in it i thought you meant as a prize
I like how the music loops at the beginning and end of the video, nice attention to detail!
Dude split one video into two parts for double the views respect actually
This video made me feel so nostalgic
That was so cool hearing those different versions of those songs. I'd never heard those variations before today, so I was super happy. ❤
That invincibility/title screen theme sounds more like the slower ending remix. (And I think that the ending version was a bit heavier on that BASS than the intro & invincibility versions. The invincibility version is obviously the fastest running variant, too.)
"🎵pa po pe po..🎶"
- Mabel Rayveil
That's so cool to me. Thank you to whoever preserved this
I also remember that most Pinball tables from the 90's have this kind of sound in them, like Stern, Williams, etc. One table I recall which might have the best representation of this would probably be Gottlieb's Rescue 911. Also not to mention Fish Tales by Williams.
rescue 911 is a gottleib table
@@michealpersicko9531 Yea, I mixed 'em up way back when.
I have so much nostalgia for the original Sonic the Hedgehog, I still play the games to this day, but something about these songs being played through a Crane Machine of all things, really does inject pure nostalgia right into my veins!
Sega truly was something else back in the day!
In a modern trend chasing videogame landscape where most of the AAA industry has shifted its focus to dishing out cheap content in the form of live service games or ruining linear titles by forcing them to be open world or using political agendas as a substitute for good story or character writing, Sega needs to come back. The demand for quality games has never been higher and is usually only obtainable from indie companies these days. We need a AAA company that won't choose the whales as their demographic. Sega could be that company.
It is very hard to hear in the video but it sounds like the version of marble zone could be a demo of marble zone's theme
The idea of a crane game having a soundtrack, original or not is kinda mind blowing, like what other activities in life get theme music?
"This is sega's NEW ufo catcher released in 1991"
Cause that is what its called
They missed the iconic green hill zone
Always gotta slam your hands on a solid object when the Scrap Brain drums kick in. 🔥💯
I used to pass by cranes like this as a kid and enjoyed the music because I didnt own a Genesis yet. I always actually enjoyed Sonic for the music, and gameplay was secondary, but i still turned into a crazy Sonic fan
Warms my heart to see this machine still running and in good condition. I had no idea it existed before now but I’m glad it does!
it’s… it’s perfect
scrap bain sounds a bit off, maybe because it got cut at the start to make the song smaller?
The reason it’s different is because it’s missing the SN7 chip, which was used heavily in the sonic ost!!!! This is so cool!!!!!
This is such a huge deal to me! Thank you so much for sharing this! I'm a huge Ym2612 fan and nerd, played with gym files for thousands of hours listening to different instrument tracks.
I only just realized that the "ym" in ".gym" is for Yamaha and the Ym2612. "g" is probably for Genesis and could indicate that the file format was made by North American fans or just that it was more clear and catchier that "mym" or less druggy than "mda".
"New sega UFO catcher"
My brain instantly: GIVE ME THAT CHAOS EMERALD!
I can hear someone playing OG Donkey Kong in the background! 💜
And the video is perfectly looped as the song at the end, is also at the beginning! Nice! :thumbsup:
Sonic was the first ever video game I ever actually saw in my life and the music blew my mind.
It actually has Sega Mega Drive hardware in it.
The perfect loop. He doesn’t even say anything, just pulls the ol’ “same video clip at the beginning and end” trick! Also the claw machine looks cool. Would probably have more fun with it than with an actual Sonic game.
My goblin brain thought there was a Sega genesis stuffed in there 😭
Interesting seeing this niche bit of trivia being spoke about
Fun fact: Spring yard zone is left unused with 2 or 3 other songs
i love this chip so easy to work with and sounds awesome
At the mall close by I found a SEGA ufo catcher and won a sonic plush from it. I still have it on my shelf now
This feels like one of those Easter eggs you would find in one of those games
Okay I neeeeed it. Plays all of my favorite sonic 1 songs
I could imagine myself just standing around the machine
if only there was a way to return to the 90s, where these things probably would have been everywhere
You always find the most interesting topics
oh my god that loop transition where you made the title screen last for a second in the beginning
So that's why that music was playing when I was there. Good to know.
The snacks in there looks so good i love taiyaki and umaibo
Bro scrap brain is a bop man
I love this. Absolutely fabulous. I actually just *beat* sonic 1 the other day, using Origins. I had always played it, but never beat it. Oh these songs sound beautiful
i feel like i seen one of these at the mall once this year.
That’s actually pretty cool 🤯
i didnt notice the difference until i heard marble zone and was waiting for the little background tune to begin in between the long note
was expecting a crane game with a sega genesis as a potential prize
>new ufo catcher
>Its from 1991
It was Called "Sega New UFO Catcher"
I love how you can hear the scratchyness of the Genesis synthesizer :)
I played so much of the Original Sonic the Hedgehog to recognize all 4 of the SEGA UFO Catcher music.
Scarp Brain Zone has always been such a classic. Sounds nearly the same to the Genesis.
I'm gonna be honest, I thought that meant that you could win YM2612s.
dont know why anyone would want one lol
That loop was smooth
The lack of PSG from the Master System sound chip and what sounds like disabled samples mainly the drumming samples makes them sound slightly different. This is mainly noticeable with the "Invincibility" music.
I definitely noticed some small differences in the Scrap Brain theme, and I gotta say, I liked them!
I wonder if these are prototype versions of the songs 🤔
"New... in 1991"
god I wish, take me back
Finally, not green Hill zone
That was a good way to spread the Sonic Mania back then
Omg i love the genesis sounds
The star light zone sounds like it's juuust scraping by a lawsuit lmao
your comment just sent me down quite a rabbit hole - you’re referring to “Love Won’t Wait”, right? because yeah, it’s a VERY strong resemblance hahahah
Never made it past marble zone gang
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Legend has it going on a date and showing your crush this art increases chances of successful date
That's really cool. I was thinking the sound chip.
Crane catcher still going after 30 years.
someone needs to extract these songs from the machine and post them