Don’t worry, that made sense. I’m nowhere near Canada but I hope your ironic rave has an ironic drug dealer who just hands out candy in very suspicious ways. And not regular candy, things like Smarties in blank pill bottles and RockCandy in sandwich bags. Things that’ll raise an eyebrow with the police. ☺️
Hmmm to me it shows that someone is aware that they made a lot of connections using mostly intuition, which they are aware doesn’t necessarily follow logic, it’s mostly just associations. You could go over these connections with a fine toothed comb to see if it makes sense, but it might be even better to ask someone else to do that who’s brain isn’t biased to look for evidence of itself “making sense”. Or, perhaps, it’s just a polite way of asking if things were explained in such a way that the listener could follow along. Then, however, following up with “is a very neurotic phrase” doesn’t fit very well anymore, unless it is added as a means of pointing out a sort of felt anxiety which could be deemed overly neurotic. I think it’s a very normal thing to ask “does that make sense?” while explaining stuff. I’ve seen teachers do that quite a bit, actually, to see if anything needs further clarifications. I suppose the above is a very autistic way of dissecting and analyzing everything 😄
@@StillGamingTM Teachers asking "Did that make sense?" has an implied 'to you' in that context they are not questioning the veracity of the explanation, but the reception of that explanation by the students. Here Jreg says "Did that make sense?" clearly questioning the veracity of the (clearly somewhat improvised) monologue itself. It could be that he meant both as trying to communicate a poorly formed explanation could result in the audience not being able to follow not because they didn't grasp the concept but it just wasn't communicated to them to even be able to. Really, there is too little information in the phrase "Did that make sense?" to say definitively how and to whom the question was being asked. And for that I'm gay?
A simpler way to put it than my other comment: -A sincere meme is funny because it's true -An ironic meme is funny because it's not true -A post ironic meme is funny because it's contingently some combination of true and/or not true, and -A meta-ironic meme is funny because it's neither true nor not true.
The rave example is really good. It's unrecognizable as a rave UNLESS you are familiar with the inside-joke of the bouncy castle rave and the classical music rave. If that's the case, then you recognize that the meta-ironic meme references not a traditional rave, but combines elements that subvert raves in various forms into a single subversive rave, which has lost any resemblance to an original rave. Kind of a Ship of Theseus of referential humor. That's where I see a lot of memes being nowadays, the joke relies more on familiarity with meme culture than it does with general experience of life. In many meme forums themed around a specific topic (say a film or occupation), the jokes eventually begin to self-reference jokes, events, and phrases that are only familiar to regular users of the forum, and not to fans of the film or members of the occupation in general.
Memes I liked as a kid: Pre-ironic Memes I like now: semi-post-post-ironic references to obscure Bronze age kingdoms and politically extreme ideologies centered around Irish nationalism.
Stop selling me these poor quality copper ingots. The next time I buy from you the person I send will check each ingot individually so that you do not sell me poor quality copper.
@@braindavidgilbert3147 I think people in medieval times or, say, ancient rome for example were a lot more "open" (not accepting, but they experienced it more often) to the unknown or seeing things they didn't understand (technology, language, etc) than us . For example, I don't remember if it was mentioned during one of the books of the bible of if it was a recovered document, but when a roman soldier of high rank recieved a letter talking about Jesus performing miracles, the soldier basically replied "lmao good for him", it wasn't until Jesus became a threat to Roman autorithy that he became persecuted. Like he got news of someone performing literal magic and instead of freaking out/investigating/corroborating the claim, he was like "damm thats cool".
As a borderline boomer, this content has such quality both in structure and content, I think I almost got it. Also, all of this is in El Quijote, from the XVI century
@@gandalfs284 fun fact: the Jota of Spanish used to be pronounced like the j of French, and it used to be spelled x. All across Western Romance languages, in fact (so, from two thirds of northern Italy to Portugal) there were many spelling conventions that used x that way
@@gandalfs284 Don Quijote is the character, the book is commonly refered to as El Quijote. And I'm using the Spanish spelling because using the English one would be meta-ironically colonialist
Someone needs to make a non-ironic attempt at synthesizing these ideas into an accessible narrative. They could start by inverting that table, because, why the heck would pre-ironic be in the lower right corner?
Cultural progress proceeds through a process of inversion. That's just how it works. We cannot know what we want a priori, because we were not born with an instruction manual. Our brains are mostly blank at birth. This is what makes us human. This is what allows progress. Yet it carries with it the consequence that we are only able to determine what we don't want. By rejecting that thing which we don't want, we stand a good chance of uncovering something we do want. This is how it works. But what happens if you come to the edge of the page and keep writing? I mean, surely we don't think that there are an infinite number of ideas. An infinite number of technologies. An infinite number of modes of governance. What happens is, you reject reality itself, and the only way back is to reject the concept of rejection. To realize the fact that your brain is programmed to look at something, and say, "this is X. I want Y", and that this drive can *never be satisfied no matter what you do.* Our desire for novelty is INFINITE. This is why we live in a time of post-irony and meta-irony. Because we've run out of good ideas, and the only way to keep progress moving forward, to feed our insatiable drive for novelty, is to embrace bad ideas. Sincerity is dead! Sincerity died long ago. Yet sincerity is the solution to our problems, acceptance of the suffering of life is the solution to our problems, letting go of the idea that we can solve every problem, is the solution to our problems. But progress must move ever-forward, never back. And so the only way to reach that desperately-needed sincerity is through the double-inversion of meta-post-irony. And as we spiral deeper and deeper into madness, rejecting the idea of rejecting rejection, convinced that one more subversive meme, one more insightful RUclips video, just one step further from our humanity will lead us to post-human freedom! The real world awaits us, containing all of the solutions to our problems, containing a world of accepting problems, if we could only realize that what we're staring at is our own reflection, and not our true self. And that's why everything is backwards.
Your ability to explain the different forms of irony, as well as the different forms of ironic memes, in way that sincerely is comprehendible is very impressive. I wasn’t really able to fully understand meta-irony from your last video but now I actually do. Thanks JREG.
I have it the opposite way. I used to understand meta-irony, thanks to having watched the previous jreg video on it, and now after watching this one, all that’s left in place of that knowledge is fucking bouncy castles
yea but the theseus "paradox" is pleb tier and suxxxx like a scene kid. labeling something is necessarily arbitrary and says nothing about the essence of a thing, instead it describes our relation to it. calling going to starbucks a "rave" is an original cultural invention, just like calling starbucks coffee "coffee". 🅱️!
This didn't provide me much value besides being a great distraction to make the thoughts go away for a while! But that's exactly what I needed right now. Thanks, Jreg!
@@hawaiianbabyrose We can walk it through three of the four phases: Pre-Ironic (the comic itself). Ironic (parodies of loss, that are making fun of it, but still resemble the comic, such as Cyanide and Happiness' parody of it). Then we skip right over the post-ironic (which would be like a minimalist loss, but where you're still supposed to feel something similar to what the original comic intended), and we get to meta ironic, where the joke is it's a minimalist version of loss, but you're still being ironic about Loss, you're making fun of it, for being a shitty gut punch.
Where would the "niche abstract propaganda art capitalization on modern consumerist culture and socio-economic internet accessibility to fund transhumanist experiments in order to enact war on humanity with a fabricated rouge AI regime fueled with data-based political identity and make wars that kill billions as grand stage plays that virtue signals off compass anarchic ideology and cybernetic investments" would be?
I think your video is very informative and well-written. You do a great job of explaining the difference between structural and narratological subversion of memes, and you provide clear examples to illustrate your points. I especially liked your example of the bouncy castle rave, which is a perfect example of a structural subversion of a meme. I also appreciate your discussion of post-irony and how it relates to the transformation of memes. It's interesting to think about how ironic memes can eventually become subsumed and become new kinds of pre-ironic memes. Overall, I think your video is a valuable resource for anyone who is interested in learning more about how memes work and how they are transformed by irony. Here are a few specific things that I liked about your video: You use clear and concise language, even when explaining complex concepts. You provide specific examples to illustrate your points. You are engaging and enthusiastic, which makes your writing more enjoyable to read. You have a good sense of humor. I have only one minor suggestion: you could consider adding a brief conclusion to your transcript to summarize your main points and leave your readers with something to think about. Overall, I think your video transcript is excellent. Great work!
TBF he did tell you what to do several times. Increase Industriousness by buying his Future Authoring Program, then there was this video where he said what basic shit in life you need like "don't be a druggie", "have a job", "have family and friends", "exercise and eat healthy", and other stuff I don't remember. Personally, I think Peterson is both a hero regarding the woke insanity and an extraordinarily good educator. He's a bit on the neurotic, pessimistic side and he's too preachy, but I don't think we should shun him or our interest in him. He's done a great deal of clearing up a lot of psychology stuff and separating the wheat from oh so much chaff in it.
@@edudam6700 Look, self-mutilation is legal, but forging the documentation about your chromosomes, which makes it an invalid piece of information for medical purposes, or deceiving others about your capacity to get pregnant, and fooling the at least millions years evolved gynophilic male brain to shower you with resources so you can get dependent on them because they think you can be a mother of their children even though barring advancements in stem cell-based fertilization it's literally impossible, while recklessly and forcefully showing it on young adolescents with undeveloped brains while punishing their parents for caring for their children is way out of fucking line. If you want to self-mutilate, self-mutilate, it's a free country, but as the BDSM community does, and as the piercing community does, keep it in the bedroom or at least know you don't belong around children. If you wanna live in a society where taxes are subsisting single mothers/whores who breed dysgenically causing a downwards sliding down of intellect, men are castrating their balls with hormones when sexual frustration has driven them to the fringes of degeneracy, and children are brainwashed by media designed either to suck their parents' wallets dry through perpetual ad bombardment or peddle to Chinese ideology or ESG scores, then be my guest, but please understand that this is why I'm not kidding. "Hate-speech laws" are just censorship in disguise. Nudge units are being deployed en mass in all the most used social media. (the "you sure you want to post this" is nudge effect, one of the documented) News outlets as well as large media are being carefully controlled to control for mass opinion. Don't you forget "whoever controls the media controls the mind". I'm not saying it's some sort of Illuminati. It's Hanlon's razor. The people with all the power in the world are "suits" as Temple Grandin calls them. They live with heads in the clouds and have grandiose ideas, completely out of touch with reality. Now they decided they'll do "a great savior service to humanity" and we're seeing the drastic hellish effect of that. It's nothing more but a wet dream of a petulant naïve child with no character. It started when Marx bastardized Hegel to shit and the tradition of philosophy has been tainted by feces since then. The true tradition goes Hegel->Stirner->von Hartmann->Jung->Deleuze->Nick Land. Because actual philosophy is being shunned in favor of feces philosophy, so philosophy majors can turn into hippies and commies instead of understanding how to ask and speculate about metaphysical and epistemological questions, the development of philosophy has been ass-blasted and greatly impoverished, but it most definitely didn't develop into whatever glossolalic mental gymnastics the left are employing today. The fanatical retardation of Marx echoes in the tragedies of the 20th century, both Nazi(National Socialists) and Communist, with the latter a far greater tragedy. Not to mention the import of European Marxist idiocy has broken the once great China to its knees, not to mention the once almighty Russia as well, with both of them shitholes to this day, in spite of a highly intelligent industrious population. All the Chinese men are being wasted on farms as consequent of idiocy of Marx. I'm Czech and the commie fields spread everywhere are a far greater eyesore than any "big bad meanie capitalist" has inflicted upon the world, but no, curing world hunger still doesn't absolve you of invoking jealousy for being more capable. Cain and Abel to the max. The most painful comedy of all is that Max Stirner warned them all, he did. But nobody listened, because he was mean, so his opinion had to be automatically discarded. No mean truths exist, right, cancer is just a "psyop", the consequences of pumping your body full of hormones and undergoing a second puberty of the sex hormone your body is literally incompatible at a genetic level with are just "a right-wing conspiracy theory". Not to mention we all fucking know the term "conspiracy theorist" itself is a literal conspiracy by the US government to discredit any ideas circling around of conspiracies after various documents have been leaked of what the government does to its population (e.g. MK-ULTRA) so to make them forget they literally made people, in a very Orwellian fashion, relearn the meaning of "conspiracy theorist" to mean crackpot, even though it just means you speculate a conspiracy, which even a completely sober mind can do. Like what, no conspiracy has never happened in the history ever? And suddenly now no conspiracies are happening? The last remnants of Marxist idiocy haunting North Korea aren't discussed in academia, and that's just natural of intelligent educated people to do? Why do we have the word for it then... To them, the "suits" peddling this insanity, we're just disobedient uneducated unethical cattle that has to be quelled, because we don't waste our lives paying steep rent, getting enslaved by materialist ploys, and taxes to subsist the cognitive dissonance of a rich capitalist's bratty spoilt daughter's delusions with ridiculously naïve ideas about the world by stopping all public thought. So no, I'm not fucking joking.
Jreg. Thanks so much for being in this platform you saved my life (literally) and explain all kinds of concepts for free. You trully are my favoritw youtuber Greetings from a mexican girl
Man, I remember actually making success baby reaction image without the background on the current context when I was a cringeworthy newfag on 4chan. Someone grabbed my cropped image and put the background on it and created the meme format. Original context was that the success baby was a boomer meme where he hates sand castles, so he destroyed another kid's sand castle. I still wonder what possessed that guy to make the meme format.
@@cardboardking577You're free to not believe me. I don't personally think the meme was ever even good because the reaction image itself that I made which the meme probably is based on muddied the original context and someone just rolled with it. Every time I see it, I see the original context of the picture and it honestly just mildly bothers me. Hell, maybe it was a coincidence and I simply did something someone else was doing roughly at the same time at the same website. I kinda hope it was.
This was a genuine and sincere explanation bereft of any manipulative pseudo-political motivations. Thanks! Also, are you willing to turn the Ironic Rave into a franchise situation? I'd like to put one on in my area, but I'd like you to pay for it, of course.
The anxiety at the end is so recognizable. Like, whenever I create sth, I leave it in a document or sth that I never open again. Then, when enough time has passed, I send the document to the people I made it for without opening it again, and they receive the cringe
I still resent Alpharad for going on record to say that nobody actually knows what "post-Modern" means, even the people who say they know what it means, and I took that very personally as a Bachelor of Sociology. I'm glad there's more people who understand the concept than just me.
I feel the thing about meta ironic structural memes is that they can have theoretically infinite meaning, but only so much as has been given by the original. Almost any meme that directly reference another meme can, in theory, have any and all meanings the original does in the right context.
This video is a masterpiece. It's pre-ironic, ironic, post-ironic, and meta-ironic all at once. Each of those concepts is explained exactly 5 times: in a pre-ironic way, in an ironic way, in a post-ironic way, in a meta-ironic way, and by example.
I kept waiting for the 2×2 grid to somehow morph into loss, and when it didn't I convinced myself that would've been to obvious, so not doing that was actually doubly subversive
Yeah that made sense, don't worry Dreg, you are not insane, you are just scared of words that others don't know the meaning of, but we know the meaning of these silly words
9:41 Yes, now I know that there is a method to the madness of posting weird incomprehensible memes. By understanding this it's also easier to make memes, I don't have to rely as much on the occasional brain glitch to be funny. I think it's easier to understand the "content" part of the compass if you instead call it "effect".
another example for the bouncy castle rave scenario would be the dennys hardcore show, which now is like a thing people would want to go to more than a hardcore show in a bar or whatever
The violent bad luck brian "shadow people" subversion images and the "how it feels to hit people with hammers" shit are like irradiated mutations of all of this
Me singing along to ‘back in the ussr’ with 4 levels of ironic parody: Level 0 (literal): pro-ussr from a soviet perspective Level 1 (simple parody): anti-ussr from a cold war era american perspective Level 2 (ironic meta-parody): pro-ussr from a modern american communist perspecitve Level 3 (meta-ironic): anti-ussr from the perspective of an american existing in a relatively communist online social environment All of these contain more nuance than expressed here and may have sublevels of irony contained within them. My humor is so subtle and complex that nobody will ever truly understand it, which makes me better than all of you.
Hog rider The Hog Rider card is unlocked from the Spell Valley (Arena 5). He is a very fast building-targeting, melee troop with moderately high hitpoints and damage. He appears just like his Clash of Clans counterpart; a man with brown eyebrows, a beard, a mohawk, and a golden body piercing in his left ear who is riding a hog. A Hog Rider card costs 4 Elixir to deploy. Strategy His fast move speed can boost forward mini tanks like an Ice Golem in a push. At the same time, he can also function as a tank for lower hitpoint troops such as Goblins as he still has a fair amount of health. Most cheap swarms complement the Hog Rider well, as they are nearly as fast as him and usually force more than one card out of the opponent's hand. The Hog Rider struggles with swarms, as they can damage him down and defeat him quickly while obstructing his path. Barbarians in particular can fully counter him without very strict timing on the defender's part, though be wary of spells. A Hunter can kill the Hog Rider in 2 hits if placed right on top of it. However, if you place something in front of the Hog Rider, the Hunter's splash will damage the Hog Rider and hit the card in front of it more. The Hog Rider in conjunction with the Freeze can surprise the opponent and allow the Hog Rider to deal much more damage than anticipated, especially if the opponent's go-to counter is a swarm, or swarms are their only effective counter to him. Skeletons and Bats will immediately be defeated by the spell, while Spear Goblins, Goblins, and Minions will be at low enough health to be defeated by a follow up Zap or Giant Snowball. However, this strategy isn't very effective against buildings as the Hog Rider will take a while to destroy the building, giving the opponent ample time to articulate another counter. Against non-swarm troops, it can deal a lot of damage during the freeze time, but this can allow the opponent to set up a massive counterpush. For this reason, players should either only go for a Hog Rider + Freeze when they have other units backing it up from a counterattack, or if the match is about to end and they need to deal as much damage as possible. It is not a good idea to send in a Hog Rider simply to destroy a building, especially if it is the only building targeting unit available, as defeating Crown Towers becomes substantially more difficult. Spells or simply waiting out the lifetime of the building are more effective. The exception to this is an Elixir Collector placed in front of the King's Tower. If a Hog Rider placed at the bridge, he can destroy the Collector for a positive Elixir trade, though the damage from both Princess Towers will usually mean he does not survive to deal any damage to them. However, if the opponent sends in defending troops, it can be an opportunity to gain spell damage value. In a deck with several low-cost cards, it might be worth it to simply send the Hog Rider against one building. These decks shuffle their card rotation quick enough, that they will arrive to their next Hog Rider before the next building arrives in the opponent's card rotation. Long-ranged troops like Musketeer and Flying Machine can snipe those buildings, preserving some of the Hog Rider's health, possibly allowing it to get some Tower damage. When there are buildings placed in the middle to counter the Hog Rider, understanding the placement of the Hog Rider and the type of building placed can help the Hog Rider to bypass certain buildings. Passive buildings such as spawners and Elixir Collector have a larger hitbox than defensive buildings; which means that if a passive building was placed 3 tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, then it is impossible for the Hog Rider to bypass that placement as the Hog Rider will get pulled to that building. Defensive buildings have a smaller hitbox than a passive building, which means if that if a defensive building was placed three tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, a Hog Rider placed at the very left or right side of the Arena may be able to bypass it due to its smaller hitbox. If the player has a building already placed down in the center of the arena, and the opponent tries to bypass it with a Hog Rider at the edge of the arena, they can use certain air troops to push the Hog Rider towards the building as it jumps over the river, effectively denying the bypass attempt. They must be already hovering over the correct placement, as very quick reflexes are required to correctly perform this technique. For Bats, Skeleton Dragons, and Minion Horde, they should be placed right in front of the Hog Rider as soon as it is deployed. For Minions, Skeleton Barrel, Mega Minion, Flying Machine, Electro Dragon, Baby Dragon, Inferno Dragon, Balloon, and Lava Hound, stagger the above placement one tile to the right if the Hog Rider is placed on the left side of the arena, and vice versa. They can also use ground troops to achieve the same result. Something like an Ice Golem deployed at the Hog Rider’s landing spot will obstruct his path and force him to go around the unit, which causes him to be closer to the building instead of the Crown Tower. The Hog Rider can kite Very Fast non-building targeting troops due to his own Very Fast speed and building only targeting if he is placed on the fourth tile from the bridge, slightly into the opposite lane. He can also stall grounded units when placed right at the bridge. He will pull them towards him while deploying, and then be untargetable by them when he jumps over the bridge. After landing, he will pull them back. This can be useful when the player needs to deal damage in the same lane they are defending. It will also help separate troops behind a tank in a large push. A Tornado placed on the second tile front of the player's King's Tower and staggered two tiles towards the Princess Tower will activate it without any damage dealt to the Princess Tower, helping them in defending future pushes. This can also be a method of mitigating all damage dealt to a Princess Tower, but doing this more than three times may result in the King's Tower's health being low enough to be targeted directly, opening up the possible threat of a back door three crown. A better alternative is to pull the Hog away from the Princess Tower into the attacking range of all three Crown Towers, which will negate all damage as long as none of them are already distracted A very powerful combo is the Hog Rider, the Musketeer, and the Valkyrie, typically referred to as the Trifecta. The Musketeer will defend against most troops, while the Valkyrie can protect her and the Hog Rider from swarms or high damage units. The Hog Rider is used to deal damage to the tower. This can be effectively countered by Lightning, one-shotting the Musketeer and severely damaging both the Valkyrie and Hog Rider. The Minion Horde is also effective, but the enemy can Zap them and the Musketeer will one-shot them all. Even if the Musketeer is defeated, the Hog Rider and Valkyrie will have enough time to severely damage the Tower. The Hog Rider should be placed behind the Valkyrie to give it a boost so that it stays in front of the Hog Rider, protecting it. A Hog Rider combined with a Goblin Barrel can be awkward for the opponent to defend against. Timing it so that the Hog Rider is tanking the tower shots for the Goblins is the most effective way to deal damage. However, a Barbarian Barrel can shut this down with minimal Tower damage for a positive Elixir trade, as long as the Goblin Barrel was placed directly on the Tower. Pairing the Hog Rider with the Balloon can deal devastating damage. If executed properly, the Hog Rider will act as a tank while the Balloon threatens to deal massive damage. The Hog Rider can also destroy any buildings attempting to slow down the combo. However, this combo is very vulnerable to swarms and anti-air cards as neither of the troops target anything but buildings. Additionally, they are easy to separate, due to the disparity in move speeds. Alternatively, the Hog Rider and the Balloon can be played in different lanes to spread the opponent's defenses thin. However, a building or Tornado can bring them back together for an easier defense. The Hog Rider can be paired with the Lumberjack as both a swarm bait and damage combo. It is a very fast combo with an extremely high damage output potential, so the enemy will likely try to counter it with a swarm. If this happens, use a spell like Arrows to render the opponent defenseless. If they manage to defeat the Lumberjack, the dropped Rage will make the Hog Rider even more dangerous than it normally is. A fast and deadly combination is the Hog Rider and Mini P.E.K.K.A. combo. Both units are fast but the Mini P.E.K.K.A. does much more damage and does not attack only buildings so the Mini P.E.K.K.A. can deal with troops like the Executioner and Musketeer. However, this combo can be defeated with swarms like Skeleton Army, which will defeat both of them since neither of them can deal area damage. They are also unable to target air troops, so the Minion Horde can stop this easily. A risky play is to deploy the Hog Rider at the bridge as soon as the match starts. If the opponent does not react fast enough, the Hog Rider will deal a significant amount of damage to the Princess Tower. This can also allow the player to quickly scout the opponent's deck if they happen to react to him fast enough
This video was good but I cannot feel Jreg coming inside me. This video was so good, I can feel Jreg coming inside me. This video was great, there is totally no Jregs coming inside rn. This video was terrible, I definitely cant feel Jreg coming inside me hahah!
If this was one week earlier I would kill to go to an ironic rave in ottawa on a work-night. Back in mtl for school now, all my raves will be regrettably level 0.
How i see it: Sincerity: What I say is what I mean: the surface layer of my communication is an accurate window into the deeper layer of my meaning. Zeroth-degree self-referentiality (no self-referentiality) Mask: 🙂 Face: 🙂 Irony: What I say is the opposite of what I mean: the surface layer of my communication might naively indicate one thing, but there are cues which signal to those familiar with garden-variety sarcasm (and/or the sincere version of the meme) that my deeper meaning is the exact opposite of the surface. First-degree self-referentiality. Mask: 🙃, Face: ☹️ Post-Irony: What I say appears to be the opposite of what I mean, but actually is what I mean: my surface layer (structure) communicates one thing, but contains cues that what I might mean is the opposite, but there also exist *counter-clues* which seems to reinforce the true meaning as sincere. At least, in theory it is sincere: more often this presents itself as the "double-hedged bet" common on the internet, where people communicate in such a way as to make it clear that they are communicating something definite, but it is difficult to tell what due to mixed signals. The hope on the part of the post-ironic memer is that viewers prevailingly interpret their meme how the memer wants them to, but by judging the responses the memer can behave as if the most popular response is the one which they were meaning all along, even if it is not what they originally set out to mean. A reliable interpretation often requires external context from the memer to differentiate which sets of cues are meant as sincere and which are ironic. This is second-degree self-referentiality. Mask: 🎈🙃🎈, Face: 🙂 (but if people overwhelmingly respond to the meme as if you meant ☹️, then of course it was ☹️ that you meant all along). Meta-Irony: What I say cannot be traced to what I mean: the meme has been stripped down to pure self-referentiality, where the only thing being communicated is that it is referring to the original meme obliquely. No mask-face dichotomy can be drawn conclusively, because it is just as likely that it means nothing as anything; every interpretation is equally likely. There is only surface: the depths are completely obscured. This is the third and final degree of self-referentiality, where in a truly ironic (heh) twist of fate, the "self" is completely effaced *by* the referentiality. Mask : 🎈🍄🎈, Face: ❓
Imo your "ironic" meme could be interpreted in a way where the meaning is told straight. Success Baby normally tells success stories, but note how he clenches his fist and how his face looks like a frown. Thus, this meme could be interpreted as a subversion of the form to deliver a message straight (I am angry that my boss fired me)
It was said by the grown version of that exact baby that he was eating a mouthful of sand at the time of the picture. I don’t know what that would mean, but it feels important.
We did the rave content subversion ruclips.net/video/NMHa7iCIp74/видео.html&ab_channel=jREG
Yeah seeing this video after the rave one and then hearing you talk about raves, i had that kinda sitting in the back of my mind
If your rave is anything other than a bouncy castle with classical music we riot.
Ironically that would make it closer to a real rave
@@TheNie200 *meta-ironically
Ok, but what if there's a bouncy castle within the bar?
But what if a riot is just what I want?
But is it still a rave 🤡🤡
"Structurally Submissive" is how I read the horizontal lable. I was expecting the vertical to be "Narratively Breedable".
Thank you.
Thank you kind sir.
'Structurally submissive, narratively breedable' is a banger bio tbh
@@MlemDotaPersonal I think I prefer 'Structurally breedable, narratively submissive'
shippable
Slowly rotating the scene introduces a secret game where you rotate the phone in your hands to keep jreg horizontal
Same
New ADHD meta just dropped. RIP Subway Surfers
Hahaha.@@Michael-kp4bd
I had a hard time rotating my goodwill desktop 33-inch plasma screen that weighs 30 lbs but I sure did keep jreg horizontal
Me and the homies at the "rave" trying to keep our jregs horizontal 😎🙃
Don’t worry, that made sense.
I’m nowhere near Canada but I hope your ironic rave has an ironic drug dealer who just hands out candy in very suspicious ways. And not regular candy, things like Smarties in blank pill bottles and RockCandy in sandwich bags. Things that’ll raise an eyebrow with the police. ☺️
What would it's counter be? The arresting officer selling actual drugs instead?
Or maybe a haribo representative with crack rocks?
Have an ironic sex offender there to ironically offend sex
As a felony drug trafficker (allegedly), I find this based and oxy-pilled
Have the ironic drug dealer be dressed up in a skimpy police officer outfit
"did that make sense is a very neurotic phrase" is a very neurotic phrase. But also very relatable
Hmmm to me it shows that someone is aware that they made a lot of connections using mostly intuition, which they are aware doesn’t necessarily follow logic, it’s mostly just associations. You could go over these connections with a fine toothed comb to see if it makes sense, but it might be even better to ask someone else to do that who’s brain isn’t biased to look for evidence of itself “making sense”.
Or, perhaps, it’s just a polite way of asking if things were explained in such a way that the listener could follow along. Then, however, following up with “is a very neurotic phrase” doesn’t fit very well anymore, unless it is added as a means of pointing out a sort of felt anxiety which could be deemed overly neurotic.
I think it’s a very normal thing to ask “does that make sense?” while explaining stuff. I’ve seen teachers do that quite a bit, actually, to see if anything needs further clarifications.
I suppose the above is a very autistic way of dissecting and analyzing everything 😄
“‘Did that make sense is a very neurotic phrase’ is a very neurotic phrase” is a very neurotic phrase.
“‘Did that make sense is a very neurotic phrase’ is a very neurotic phrase” is a very self-assured thing to say. I can't relate at all.
Being relatable is a sign of latent neurosis.
@@StillGamingTM Teachers asking "Did that make sense?" has an implied 'to you' in that context they are not questioning the veracity of the explanation, but the reception of that explanation by the students. Here Jreg says "Did that make sense?" clearly questioning the veracity of the (clearly somewhat improvised) monologue itself.
It could be that he meant both as trying to communicate a poorly formed explanation could result in the audience not being able to follow not because they didn't grasp the concept but it just wasn't communicated to them to even be able to.
Really, there is too little information in the phrase "Did that make sense?" to say definitively how and to whom the question was being asked. And for that I'm gay?
A simpler way to put it than my other comment:
-A sincere meme is funny because it's true
-An ironic meme is funny because it's not true
-A post ironic meme is funny because it's contingently some combination of true and/or not true, and
-A meta-ironic meme is funny because it's neither true nor not true.
Sometimes, meta ironic memes are funny because they are not funny.
The rave example is really good. It's unrecognizable as a rave UNLESS you are familiar with the inside-joke of the bouncy castle rave and the classical music rave. If that's the case, then you recognize that the meta-ironic meme references not a traditional rave, but combines elements that subvert raves in various forms into a single subversive rave, which has lost any resemblance to an original rave. Kind of a Ship of Theseus of referential humor. That's where I see a lot of memes being nowadays, the joke relies more on familiarity with meme culture than it does with general experience of life. In many meme forums themed around a specific topic (say a film or occupation), the jokes eventually begin to self-reference jokes, events, and phrases that are only familiar to regular users of the forum, and not to fans of the film or members of the occupation in general.
Jreg is literally just applying hegel to memes now using the literal dialectic of form and content
OK so I'm not crazy that was the vibe I was picking up.
Still pretty fun, genius move.
I always wanted to read up on Hegel and now I have a good reason to
which is an ironic subversion of narrative 😉
the meme keeps going i wonder what the next subversion will become
Memes I liked as a kid: Pre-ironic
Memes I like now: semi-post-post-ironic references to obscure Bronze age kingdoms and politically extreme ideologies centered around Irish nationalism.
Stop selling me these poor quality copper ingots. The next time I buy from you the person I send will check each ingot individually so that you do not sell me poor quality copper.
Iltam Zumra
@@jpidk3190rashupti ilatim
Come out ye black and UD REAAAAAAAA
I haven't seen copper this low-quality since The Troubles.
This video is enough to put average middle age peasant into coma lmao
I think at this point anything can put the average middle age peasant in a coma. Doritos, p0rn, rgb lights
@@braindavidgilbert3147 I misread that as lgb rights, which, yeah, that would also accomplish the same goal.
What about peasants in the 18-25 demographic?
@@braindavidgilbert3147 I think people in medieval times or, say, ancient rome for example were a lot more "open" (not accepting, but they experienced it more often) to the unknown or seeing things they didn't understand (technology, language, etc) than us . For example, I don't remember if it was mentioned during one of the books of the bible of if it was a recovered document, but when a roman soldier of high rank recieved a letter talking about Jesus performing miracles, the soldier basically replied "lmao good for him", it wasn't until Jesus became a threat to Roman autorithy that he became persecuted. Like he got news of someone performing literal magic and instead of freaking out/investigating/corroborating the claim, he was like "damm thats cool".
I can feel the post-irony coming inside of me.
ah ah ahhh aaaaahh
GET IT OUT! GET IT OUUUUUUt! AAAAAAAAAHHH! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!
I am post irony
@@bedro_0 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!
BITCH WHAT??? 😭😭😭😭 GET THE BIRTH CONTROL!
My last exam copy doesn't act like a meme and doesn't look like a meme. I never knew it was a meta-ironic meme all along!
maybe the meta ironic meme was the friends we made along the way
I feel like we meta ironic memes are the modern art of the internet. you really have to know the context to understand it
As a borderline boomer, this content has such quality both in structure and content, I think I almost got it. Also, all of this is in El Quijote, from the XVI century
Oh if you like that you're gonna LOVE Xavier: Renegade Angel
name's Don Quijote not El Quijote, and in English it's actually written Don Quixote because such is lyf.
@@gandalfs284 fun fact: the Jota of Spanish used to be pronounced like the j of French, and it used to be spelled x. All across Western Romance languages, in fact (so, from two thirds of northern Italy to Portugal) there were many spelling conventions that used x that way
@@gandalfs284 Don Quijote is the character, the book is commonly refered to as El Quijote. And I'm using the Spanish spelling because using the English one would be meta-ironically colonialist
@@bacicinvatteneaca ironically, the letter "x" ends up being silent in most French words in which it appears
Only Jreg would make a 10 min video to explain an ironic rave he's organizing.
Someone needs to make a non-ironic attempt at synthesizing these ideas into an accessible narrative. They could start by inverting that table, because, why the heck would pre-ironic be in the lower right corner?
Because it's conservative
Cultural progress proceeds through a process of inversion. That's just how it works.
We cannot know what we want a priori, because we were not born with an instruction manual. Our brains are mostly blank at birth. This is what makes us human. This is what allows progress.
Yet it carries with it the consequence that we are only able to determine what we don't want. By rejecting that thing which we don't want, we stand a good chance of uncovering something we do want. This is how it works.
But what happens if you come to the edge of the page and keep writing? I mean, surely we don't think that there are an infinite number of ideas. An infinite number of technologies. An infinite number of modes of governance.
What happens is, you reject reality itself, and the only way back is to reject the concept of rejection.
To realize the fact that your brain is programmed to look at something, and say, "this is X. I want Y", and that this drive can *never be satisfied no matter what you do.* Our desire for novelty is INFINITE.
This is why we live in a time of post-irony and meta-irony. Because we've run out of good ideas, and the only way to keep progress moving forward, to feed our insatiable drive for novelty, is to embrace bad ideas.
Sincerity is dead! Sincerity died long ago. Yet sincerity is the solution to our problems, acceptance of the suffering of life is the solution to our problems, letting go of the idea that we can solve every problem, is the solution to our problems.
But progress must move ever-forward, never back. And so the only way to reach that desperately-needed sincerity is through the double-inversion of meta-post-irony.
And as we spiral deeper and deeper into madness, rejecting the idea of rejecting rejection, convinced that one more subversive meme, one more insightful RUclips video, just one step further from our humanity will lead us to post-human freedom!
The real world awaits us, containing all of the solutions to our problems, containing a world of accepting problems, if we could only realize that what we're staring at is our own reflection, and not our true self. And that's why everything is backwards.
But hey, at least we look hot in the mirror!
@@LunarMoth yo anni didnt think id see you here
That's the subversion of form 🙄
Your ability to explain the different forms of irony, as well as the different forms of ironic memes, in way that sincerely is comprehendible is very impressive. I wasn’t really able to fully understand meta-irony from your last video but now I actually do. Thanks JREG.
I have it the opposite way. I used to understand meta-irony, thanks to having watched the previous jreg video on it, and now after watching this one, all that’s left in place of that knowledge is fucking bouncy castles
jreg when they can't predict mobile users that can lock their screen to landscape mode and spin the phone around
Nice job jReg. You show those serious people who’s boss!
I'm a serious submissive... Subvert my form, daddy
I think "Is this loss" is the best self referencial Meta-Ironic Meme.
Nice job jreg! You really showed the concept of sincerity who's boss!
*boss BABY
Meta ironic meme is like the Theseus paradox
yea but the theseus "paradox" is pleb tier and suxxxx like a scene kid. labeling something is necessarily arbitrary and says nothing about the essence of a thing, instead it describes our relation to it. calling going to starbucks a "rave" is an original cultural invention, just like calling starbucks coffee "coffee". 🅱️!
This didn't provide me much value besides being a great distraction to make the thoughts go away for a while! But that's exactly what I needed right now. Thanks, Jreg!
the abstract Loss memes are a good example of meta ironic. look how much information this carries: | || l| |_
it's just a reference, how is it metaironic? asking for a friend.
That was the first thing that came to mind for me as well. It wouldn't have any meaning if it weren't for Loss.
@@hawaiianbabyrose We can walk it through three of the four phases: Pre-Ironic (the comic itself). Ironic (parodies of loss, that are making fun of it, but still resemble the comic, such as Cyanide and Happiness' parody of it). Then we skip right over the post-ironic (which would be like a minimalist loss, but where you're still supposed to feel something similar to what the original comic intended), and we get to meta ironic, where the joke is it's a minimalist version of loss, but you're still being ironic about Loss, you're making fun of it, for being a shitty gut punch.
Do you watch memeanalysis? He has a great video on the loss meme and the structures of symbolism. I wonder if jreg watches memeanalysis.
@@ClitoracleOracle No I haven't watched that. I'll check it out!
Can you make a schizophrenic delusions tier list? I have a war to win!
agree
Where would the "niche abstract propaganda art capitalization on modern consumerist culture and socio-economic internet accessibility to fund transhumanist experiments in order to enact war on humanity with a fabricated rouge AI regime fueled with data-based political identity and make wars that kill billions as grand stage plays that virtue signals off compass anarchic ideology and cybernetic investments" would be?
you know how to pick your battles
I love your use of the words "Dopaminergic" And "seratinergic" as if they mean anything at all
Knowing that there are people like jREG on this planet warms my heart
jreg. youve already said the correct combination of words to me why do you think im here jreg.
I think your video is very informative and well-written. You do a great job of explaining the difference between structural and narratological subversion of memes, and you provide clear examples to illustrate your points. I especially liked your example of the bouncy castle rave, which is a perfect example of a structural subversion of a meme.
I also appreciate your discussion of post-irony and how it relates to the transformation of memes. It's interesting to think about how ironic memes can eventually become subsumed and become new kinds of pre-ironic memes.
Overall, I think your video is a valuable resource for anyone who is interested in learning more about how memes work and how they are transformed by irony.
Here are a few specific things that I liked about your video:
You use clear and concise language, even when explaining complex concepts.
You provide specific examples to illustrate your points.
You are engaging and enthusiastic, which makes your writing more enjoyable to read.
You have a good sense of humor.
I have only one minor suggestion: you could consider adding a brief conclusion to your transcript to summarize your main points and leave your readers with something to think about.
Overall, I think your video transcript is excellent. Great work!
9:52 described my interest in jordan peterson in 2017 and realisation later in a single sentence, nice one jreg!
TBF he did tell you what to do several times. Increase Industriousness by buying his Future Authoring Program, then there was this video where he said what basic shit in life you need like "don't be a druggie", "have a job", "have family and friends", "exercise and eat healthy", and other stuff I don't remember. Personally, I think Peterson is both a hero regarding the woke insanity and an extraordinarily good educator. He's a bit on the neurotic, pessimistic side and he's too preachy, but I don't think we should shun him or our interest in him. He's done a great deal of clearing up a lot of psychology stuff and separating the wheat from oh so much chaff in it.
@@56jasaa hero on the woke insanity? Please tell me you're joking
@@edudam6700 Look, self-mutilation is legal, but forging the documentation about your chromosomes, which makes it an invalid piece of information for medical purposes, or deceiving others about your capacity to get pregnant, and fooling the at least millions years evolved gynophilic male brain to shower you with resources so you can get dependent on them because they think you can be a mother of their children even though barring advancements in stem cell-based fertilization it's literally impossible, while recklessly and forcefully showing it on young adolescents with undeveloped brains while punishing their parents for caring for their children is way out of fucking line. If you want to self-mutilate, self-mutilate, it's a free country, but as the BDSM community does, and as the piercing community does, keep it in the bedroom or at least know you don't belong around children.
If you wanna live in a society where taxes are subsisting single mothers/whores who breed dysgenically causing a downwards sliding down of intellect, men are castrating their balls with hormones when sexual frustration has driven them to the fringes of degeneracy, and children are brainwashed by media designed either to suck their parents' wallets dry through perpetual ad bombardment or peddle to Chinese ideology or ESG scores, then be my guest, but please understand that this is why I'm not kidding.
"Hate-speech laws" are just censorship in disguise. Nudge units are being deployed en mass in all the most used social media. (the "you sure you want to post this" is nudge effect, one of the documented) News outlets as well as large media are being carefully controlled to control for mass opinion. Don't you forget "whoever controls the media controls the mind".
I'm not saying it's some sort of Illuminati. It's Hanlon's razor. The people with all the power in the world are "suits" as Temple Grandin calls them. They live with heads in the clouds and have grandiose ideas, completely out of touch with reality. Now they decided they'll do "a great savior service to humanity" and we're seeing the drastic hellish effect of that. It's nothing more but a wet dream of a petulant naïve child with no character.
It started when Marx bastardized Hegel to shit and the tradition of philosophy has been tainted by feces since then. The true tradition goes Hegel->Stirner->von Hartmann->Jung->Deleuze->Nick Land. Because actual philosophy is being shunned in favor of feces philosophy, so philosophy majors can turn into hippies and commies instead of understanding how to ask and speculate about metaphysical and epistemological questions, the development of philosophy has been ass-blasted and greatly impoverished, but it most definitely didn't develop into whatever glossolalic mental gymnastics the left are employing today.
The fanatical retardation of Marx echoes in the tragedies of the 20th century, both Nazi(National Socialists) and Communist, with the latter a far greater tragedy. Not to mention the import of European Marxist idiocy has broken the once great China to its knees, not to mention the once almighty Russia as well, with both of them shitholes to this day, in spite of a highly intelligent industrious population. All the Chinese men are being wasted on farms as consequent of idiocy of Marx. I'm Czech and the commie fields spread everywhere are a far greater eyesore than any "big bad meanie capitalist" has inflicted upon the world, but no, curing world hunger still doesn't absolve you of invoking jealousy for being more capable. Cain and Abel to the max. The most painful comedy of all is that Max Stirner warned them all, he did. But nobody listened, because he was mean, so his opinion had to be automatically discarded. No mean truths exist, right, cancer is just a "psyop", the consequences of pumping your body full of hormones and undergoing a second puberty of the sex hormone your body is literally incompatible at a genetic level with are just "a right-wing conspiracy theory". Not to mention we all fucking know the term "conspiracy theorist" itself is a literal conspiracy by the US government to discredit any ideas circling around of conspiracies after various documents have been leaked of what the government does to its population (e.g. MK-ULTRA) so to make them forget they literally made people, in a very Orwellian fashion, relearn the meaning of "conspiracy theorist" to mean crackpot, even though it just means you speculate a conspiracy, which even a completely sober mind can do. Like what, no conspiracy has never happened in the history ever? And suddenly now no conspiracies are happening? The last remnants of Marxist idiocy haunting North Korea aren't discussed in academia, and that's just natural of intelligent educated people to do? Why do we have the word for it then...
To them, the "suits" peddling this insanity, we're just disobedient uneducated unethical cattle that has to be quelled, because we don't waste our lives paying steep rent, getting enslaved by materialist ploys, and taxes to subsist the cognitive dissonance of a rich capitalist's bratty spoilt daughter's delusions with ridiculously naïve ideas about the world by stopping all public thought.
So no, I'm not fucking joking.
@@edudam6700he's fighting insanity with another kind of insanity.
your videos make me feel a little bit more understood and also laugh a lot. they have value.
LOSS meme would be meta-ironic its been reduced to two lines in different positions in 4 panels.
Good point
I could show you two and you’d still probably get it, watch:
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jREG independently discovering Derrida's conception of the trace.
Jreg. Thanks so much for being in this platform you saved my life (literally) and explain all kinds of concepts for free. You trully are my favoritw youtuber
Greetings from a mexican girl
Good to see you're doing well again jerg
Man, I remember actually making success baby reaction image without the background on the current context when I was a cringeworthy newfag on 4chan.
Someone grabbed my cropped image and put the background on it and created the meme format.
Original context was that the success baby was a boomer meme where he hates sand castles, so he destroyed another kid's sand castle.
I still wonder what possessed that guy to make the meme format.
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Haven’t heard anyone refer to themselves or others as “newf@g” in aaaaaages! 😂
Then everyone clapped and you're married with the second poster with 263 kids and 23 on the way
@@cardboardking577You're free to not believe me. I don't personally think the meme was ever even good because the reaction image itself that I made which the meme probably is based on muddied the original context and someone just rolled with it.
Every time I see it, I see the original context of the picture and it honestly just mildly bothers me.
Hell, maybe it was a coincidence and I simply did something someone else was doing roughly at the same time at the same website. I kinda hope it was.
@@strongback6550do you at least have the screencap? If you do it's an important part of internet history
After alot of hard work, I am now too mentally stable to watch Jreg
Made sense to me! And I’m an overly sincere Xennial.
Also, can we have an unironic bouncy house rave? Also, congratulations on your album!
ironic rave is still too mainstream, im down for when you host the meta-ironic rave with the bouncy castle and classical music in ottawa
I think that made a lot of sense, and it helped me understand this concept! Even my mom understood it. Great job jreg!! :)
Jreg truly is the philosopher of our era.
*JRera
This was a genuine and sincere explanation bereft of any manipulative pseudo-political motivations. Thanks!
Also, are you willing to turn the Ironic Rave into a franchise situation? I'd like to put one on in my area, but I'd like you to pay for it, of course.
The anxiety at the end is so recognizable. Like, whenever I create sth, I leave it in a document or sth that I never open again. Then, when enough time has passed, I send the document to the people I made it for without opening it again, and they receive the cringe
I hope the ironic rave is filmed and becomes available on RUclips someday
I still resent Alpharad for going on record to say that nobody actually knows what "post-Modern" means, even the people who say they know what it means, and I took that very personally as a Bachelor of Sociology. I'm glad there's more people who understand the concept than just me.
I feel the thing about meta ironic structural memes is that they can have theoretically infinite meaning, but only so much as has been given by the original. Almost any meme that directly reference another meme can, in theory, have any and all meanings the original does in the right context.
Yep, sounds about right.
That actually did make sense, thank you very much Jregory Guevara
After that mental breakdown I needed that oppa Jreg style.
This video is a masterpiece. It's pre-ironic, ironic, post-ironic, and meta-ironic all at once. Each of those concepts is explained exactly 5 times: in a pre-ironic way, in an ironic way, in a post-ironic way, in a meta-ironic way, and by example.
I kept waiting for the 2×2 grid to somehow morph into loss, and when it didn't I convinced myself that would've been to obvious, so not doing that was actually doubly subversive
Yeah that made sense, don't worry Dreg, you are not insane, you are just scared of words that others don't know the meaning of, but we know the meaning of these silly words
This video has me looking at femboy hooters in a whole new light. Thank you for opening my eyes!
I hope you don't mean hotel bedroom bedside lamp light....
Good video Jreg, I always find it comforting to watch a video and see people in the know.
I love your videos bro thank you for making these
Someone’s been reading deleuze lmao. The deterritorialization of the last video and the form/content of this.
Can you please explain in more detail what you mean?
9:41 Yes, now I know that there is a method to the madness of posting weird incomprehensible memes. By understanding this it's also easier to make memes, I don't have to rely as much on the occasional brain glitch to be funny.
I think it's easier to understand the "content" part of the compass if you instead call it "effect".
but did it actually make your life better now that you're technically better at memes? No
The picture of boss baby appearing half out of frame just sent me into hysterics ffs
surely i've never seen this video, this is my first time learning about irony and memes. thanks for the educational opportunity, jREG
My disappointmet is immesurable and my day is not ruined, that's how insignificant you are, jreg
After you talked about minimal pepe, I was totally waiting for the chart to become loss.
Waiting for classical concert in bounce castle with Jreg as conductor
I looked at Jreg and thought "oh he has a waistcoat on thats cool" and then i looked again, good going with the post-usefullness fashion
Paving the way for future academics to study memeology
another example for the bouncy castle rave scenario would be the dennys hardcore show, which now is like a thing people would want to go to more than a hardcore show in a bar or whatever
Without Jreg, would there ever be a jreg?
The violent bad luck brian "shadow people" subversion images and the "how it feels to hit people with hammers" shit are like irradiated mutations of all of this
Me singing along to ‘back in the ussr’ with 4 levels of ironic parody:
Level 0 (literal): pro-ussr from a soviet perspective
Level 1 (simple parody): anti-ussr from a cold war era american perspective
Level 2 (ironic meta-parody): pro-ussr from a modern american communist perspecitve
Level 3 (meta-ironic): anti-ussr from the perspective of an american existing in a relatively communist online social environment
All of these contain more nuance than expressed here and may have sublevels of irony contained within them. My humor is so subtle and complex that nobody will ever truly understand it, which makes me better than all of you.
I def liked opa jreg style and hope its on the new album
I love this upload scheduled
When does the cult part begin? I have disposable income now.
I would have loved to listen to your meta rave thing but unfortunately I live in France and the Ottawall prevents french citizens from entering Ottawa
Hog rider
The Hog Rider card is unlocked from the Spell Valley (Arena 5). He is a very fast building-targeting, melee troop with moderately high hitpoints and damage. He appears just like his Clash of Clans counterpart; a man with brown eyebrows, a beard, a mohawk, and a golden body piercing in his left ear who is riding a hog. A Hog Rider card costs 4 Elixir to deploy.
Strategy
His fast move speed can boost forward mini tanks like an Ice Golem in a push. At the same time, he can also function as a tank for lower hitpoint troops such as Goblins as he still has a fair amount of health. Most cheap swarms complement the Hog Rider well, as they are nearly as fast as him and usually force more than one card out of the opponent's hand.
The Hog Rider struggles with swarms, as they can damage him down and defeat him quickly while obstructing his path. Barbarians in particular can fully counter him without very strict timing on the defender's part, though be wary of spells.
A Hunter can kill the Hog Rider in 2 hits if placed right on top of it. However, if you place something in front of the Hog Rider, the Hunter's splash will damage the Hog Rider and hit the card in front of it more.
The Hog Rider in conjunction with the Freeze can surprise the opponent and allow the Hog Rider to deal much more damage than anticipated, especially if the opponent's go-to counter is a swarm, or swarms are their only effective counter to him. Skeletons and Bats will immediately be defeated by the spell, while Spear Goblins, Goblins, and Minions will be at low enough health to be defeated by a follow up Zap or Giant Snowball.
However, this strategy isn't very effective against buildings as the Hog Rider will take a while to destroy the building, giving the opponent ample time to articulate another counter.
Against non-swarm troops, it can deal a lot of damage during the freeze time, but this can allow the opponent to set up a massive counterpush. For this reason, players should either only go for a Hog Rider + Freeze when they have other units backing it up from a counterattack, or if the match is about to end and they need to deal as much damage as possible.
It is not a good idea to send in a Hog Rider simply to destroy a building, especially if it is the only building targeting unit available, as defeating Crown Towers becomes substantially more difficult. Spells or simply waiting out the lifetime of the building are more effective. The exception to this is an Elixir Collector placed in front of the King's Tower. If a Hog Rider placed at the bridge, he can destroy the Collector for a positive Elixir trade, though the damage from both Princess Towers will usually mean he does not survive to deal any damage to them. However, if the opponent sends in defending troops, it can be an opportunity to gain spell damage value.
In a deck with several low-cost cards, it might be worth it to simply send the Hog Rider against one building. These decks shuffle their card rotation quick enough, that they will arrive to their next Hog Rider before the next building arrives in the opponent's card rotation.
Long-ranged troops like Musketeer and Flying Machine can snipe those buildings, preserving some of the Hog Rider's health, possibly allowing it to get some Tower damage.
When there are buildings placed in the middle to counter the Hog Rider, understanding the placement of the Hog Rider and the type of building placed can help the Hog Rider to bypass certain buildings.
Passive buildings such as spawners and Elixir Collector have a larger hitbox than defensive buildings; which means that if a passive building was placed 3 tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, then it is impossible for the Hog Rider to bypass that placement as the Hog Rider will get pulled to that building.
Defensive buildings have a smaller hitbox than a passive building, which means if that if a defensive building was placed three tiles away from the river in the middle of the opponent's side, a Hog Rider placed at the very left or right side of the Arena may be able to bypass it due to its smaller hitbox.
If the player has a building already placed down in the center of the arena, and the opponent tries to bypass it with a Hog Rider at the edge of the arena, they can use certain air troops to push the Hog Rider towards the building as it jumps over the river, effectively denying the bypass attempt. They must be already hovering over the correct placement, as very quick reflexes are required to correctly perform this technique.
For Bats, Skeleton Dragons, and Minion Horde, they should be placed right in front of the Hog Rider as soon as it is deployed.
For Minions, Skeleton Barrel, Mega Minion, Flying Machine, Electro Dragon, Baby Dragon, Inferno Dragon, Balloon, and Lava Hound, stagger the above placement one tile to the right if the Hog Rider is placed on the left side of the arena, and vice versa.
They can also use ground troops to achieve the same result. Something like an Ice Golem deployed at the Hog Rider’s landing spot will obstruct his path and force him to go around the unit, which causes him to be closer to the building instead of the Crown Tower.
The Hog Rider can kite Very Fast non-building targeting troops due to his own Very Fast speed and building only targeting if he is placed on the fourth tile from the bridge, slightly into the opposite lane. He can also stall grounded units when placed right at the bridge. He will pull them towards him while deploying, and then be untargetable by them when he jumps over the bridge. After landing, he will pull them back. This can be useful when the player needs to deal damage in the same lane they are defending. It will also help separate troops behind a tank in a large push.
A Tornado placed on the second tile front of the player's King's Tower and staggered two tiles towards the Princess Tower will activate it without any damage dealt to the Princess Tower, helping them in defending future pushes. This can also be a method of mitigating all damage dealt to a Princess Tower, but doing this more than three times may result in the King's Tower's health being low enough to be targeted directly, opening up the possible threat of a back door three crown. A better alternative is to pull the Hog away from the Princess Tower into the attacking range of all three Crown Towers, which will negate all damage as long as none of them are already distracted
A very powerful combo is the Hog Rider, the Musketeer, and the Valkyrie, typically referred to as the Trifecta. The Musketeer will defend against most troops, while the Valkyrie can protect her and the Hog Rider from swarms or high damage units. The Hog Rider is used to deal damage to the tower.
This can be effectively countered by Lightning, one-shotting the Musketeer and severely damaging both the Valkyrie and Hog Rider. The Minion Horde is also effective, but the enemy can Zap them and the Musketeer will one-shot them all. Even if the Musketeer is defeated, the Hog Rider and Valkyrie will have enough time to severely damage the Tower.
The Hog Rider should be placed behind the Valkyrie to give it a boost so that it stays in front of the Hog Rider, protecting it.
A Hog Rider combined with a Goblin Barrel can be awkward for the opponent to defend against. Timing it so that the Hog Rider is tanking the tower shots for the Goblins is the most effective way to deal damage. However, a Barbarian Barrel can shut this down with minimal Tower damage for a positive Elixir trade, as long as the Goblin Barrel was placed directly on the Tower.
Pairing the Hog Rider with the Balloon can deal devastating damage. If executed properly, the Hog Rider will act as a tank while the Balloon threatens to deal massive damage. The Hog Rider can also destroy any buildings attempting to slow down the combo. However, this combo is very vulnerable to swarms and anti-air cards as neither of the troops target anything but buildings. Additionally, they are easy to separate, due to the disparity in move speeds. Alternatively, the Hog Rider and the Balloon can be played in different lanes to spread the opponent's defenses thin. However, a building or Tornado can bring them back together for an easier defense.
The Hog Rider can be paired with the Lumberjack as both a swarm bait and damage combo. It is a very fast combo with an extremely high damage output potential, so the enemy will likely try to counter it with a swarm. If this happens, use a spell like Arrows to render the opponent defenseless. If they manage to defeat the Lumberjack, the dropped Rage will make the Hog Rider even more dangerous than it normally is.
A fast and deadly combination is the Hog Rider and Mini P.E.K.K.A. combo. Both units are fast but the Mini P.E.K.K.A. does much more damage and does not attack only buildings so the Mini P.E.K.K.A. can deal with troops like the Executioner and Musketeer. However, this combo can be defeated with swarms like Skeleton Army, which will defeat both of them since neither of them can deal area damage. They are also unable to target air troops, so the Minion Horde can stop this easily.
A risky play is to deploy the Hog Rider at the bridge as soon as the match starts. If the opponent does not react fast enough, the Hog Rider will deal a significant amount of damage to the Princess Tower. This can also allow the player to quickly scout the opponent's deck if they happen to react to him fast enough
I was actually looking forward to this video!! So yes it did make my life better
That "fun cool dopamine" background is so post-ironic,... or meta? Idk I'm drowned in layers of irony HELP!
I love your style of editing lmao
Dude I thought you died when you didn't upload for a while. Now I see you were just neck deep in spreadsheets.
I too was sexually frustrated by his absence
So glad he decided to cut out the last bit. It would have slapped too hard and been too wise for us to have ears to hear.
So excited to process this later
This video was good but I cannot feel Jreg coming inside me.
This video was so good, I can feel Jreg coming inside me.
This video was great, there is totally no Jregs coming inside rn.
This video was terrible, I definitely cant feel Jreg coming inside me hahah!
1. Ok. 🙂
2. Ayo? 📸 🤨
3. Nice 😏
4. He's just like me, fr fr 💀
He did not, in fact, cut the end of the video out
Oh no... Jreg is studying himself
why do i find this weird shit so fascinating
This is the most creative ad I’ve seen
I think the best example of a meta-ironic meme is the Loss meme, since every meme vaguely remember the l l I l l l _
I so badly want to know how the ironic wave went
Nice one jreg you really showed those viewers the many different and interesting forms of irony
Look it's the subversive version of me. Yeowwwww
If this was one week earlier I would kill to go to an ironic rave in ottawa on a work-night. Back in mtl for school now, all my raves will be regrettably level 0.
This actually makes complete sense. Good job jREG.
This video is actually pretty good at explaining the layers of irony
How i see it:
Sincerity: What I say is what I mean: the surface layer of my communication is an accurate window into the deeper layer of my meaning. Zeroth-degree self-referentiality (no self-referentiality)
Mask: 🙂 Face: 🙂
Irony: What I say is the opposite of what I mean: the surface layer of my communication might naively indicate one thing, but there are cues which signal to those familiar with garden-variety sarcasm (and/or the sincere version of the meme) that my deeper meaning is the exact opposite of the surface. First-degree self-referentiality.
Mask: 🙃, Face: ☹️
Post-Irony: What I say appears to be the opposite of what I mean, but actually is what I mean: my surface layer (structure) communicates one thing, but contains cues that what I might mean is the opposite, but there also exist *counter-clues* which seems to reinforce the true meaning as sincere. At least, in theory it is sincere: more often this presents itself as the "double-hedged bet" common on the internet, where people communicate in such a way as to make it clear that they are communicating something definite, but it is difficult to tell what due to mixed signals. The hope on the part of the post-ironic memer is that viewers prevailingly interpret their meme how the memer wants them to, but by judging the responses the memer can behave as if the most popular response is the one which they were meaning all along, even if it is not what they originally set out to mean. A reliable interpretation often requires external context from the memer to differentiate which sets of cues are meant as sincere and which are ironic. This is second-degree self-referentiality.
Mask: 🎈🙃🎈, Face: 🙂 (but if people overwhelmingly respond to the meme as if you meant ☹️, then of course it was ☹️ that you meant all along).
Meta-Irony: What I say cannot be traced to what I mean: the meme has been stripped down to pure self-referentiality, where the only thing being communicated is that it is referring to the original meme obliquely. No mask-face dichotomy can be drawn conclusively, because it is just as likely that it means nothing as anything; every interpretation is equally likely. There is only surface: the depths are completely obscured. This is the third and final degree of self-referentiality, where in a truly ironic (heh) twist of fate, the "self" is completely effaced *by* the referentiality.
Mask : 🎈🍄🎈, Face: ❓
Imo your "ironic" meme could be interpreted in a way where the meaning is told straight. Success Baby normally tells success stories, but note how he clenches his fist and how his face looks like a frown. Thus, this meme could be interpreted as a subversion of the form to deliver a message straight (I am angry that my boss fired me)
It was said by the grown version of that exact baby that he was eating a mouthful of sand at the time of the picture. I don’t know what that would mean, but it feels important.
Maybe the baby hated the job and wanted to be fired, so when he got told to pack his things and head home, this was a happy moment of success!
But maybe he wanted to get fired because he hates his job but his contract says he can't leave that easily
Good thing that last part was cut out
Jreg explaining the types of irony for the 100th time:
i can't wait til this course gets into pata-ironic memetics later this semester
In 2055 the'll be showing this in schools.
Thank you for explaining this! It helped me out a lot!
This reminds me of the time I went to church and the organist threw a rave.
IM SO MAD I CANT GO TO THE RAVE
Jreg is the Saussure of our era