i'd like to see SF16 go against SF15.1 in long games. Roughly SF13,14,15 and 15.1 where equal strength in long time controls, difference in strength was only substancial in blitz. But now the SF team are saying the latest version is markedly improved in long analysis, which would be the first time since SF13 release on 2021AD Feb.
@@Wawacat4436Thats because stockfish now evaluates starter position a draw. So to test stronger engines, they just start them off in a worse position.
@@jamesgrist1101 nope but i did run 100 stockfish 15.1 vs 16 games, only one was won by stockfish 16 and 99 of them were draws + you can test depth 20 SF 15.1 against depth 35 SF 16 yourself lol
bar goes from position probably, i think it works like if Stockfish isn't seen the move opponent did its overanalyzing it and maybe can see that this move is better than it did so
they gave stockfish white in the kings indian bro yall know the computers do better with white in those lines. im biased tho when i see these videos i want the 50 elo to not matter
stockfish did so well in the endgame the logic was overflowing with perfection it was pure genius kinda disappointed black made some sloppy moves also i wanna play stockfish so bad like destroy me daddy
Okay there are misstake moves everywhere? Why not let respective engine get 1 hour thinking time in total? Doing that, the analysis will have stockfish 16 on 100 % accuracy and torch about 97 % accuracy. Why 97 only? Because torch has lower elo than stockfish 16.
@@Ian-iy7slAlphaZero played Stockfish 8 at that time, which was way weaker than Stockfish 16 Stockfish 8 had an estimated ELO of around 3800, where Stockfish 16 has ~4050 AlphaZero is nothing compared to Stockfish 16
@@curious_banda Stockfish has better records against Torch. Stockfish W% is more than 60% whereas Torch W% is less than 40% when these two are against each other. If you talk about opening pairs, Stockfish is light years ahead of Torch. [Stockfish won 284 openings; Torch won only 4 and 212 ended up in a draw]
A perfect game of chess always ends up in a dra- nevermind
They're not perfect enough
no engine is as perfect as stockfish
@@geconsnot yet
I'm pretty sure torch could beat stockfish 1 in every like 30ish games.
When stockfish is black torch already can sometimes beat it altough hardly ever.
i'd like to see SF16 go against SF15.1 in long games. Roughly SF13,14,15 and 15.1 where equal strength in long time controls, difference in strength was only substancial in blitz.
But now the SF team are saying the latest version is markedly improved in long analysis, which would be the first time since SF13 release on 2021AD Feb.
whyd you specify AD lol
if you let them go in long games, its 99.9% a draw
even stockfish 15.1 on only depth 20 can draw stockfish 16 on depth 35
@@Wawacat4436Thats because stockfish now evaluates starter position a draw. So to test stronger engines, they just start them off in a worse position.
@@Wawacat4436 how u know? are u a dev?
@@jamesgrist1101 nope but i did run 100 stockfish 15.1 vs 16 games, only one was won by stockfish 16 and 99 of them were draws
+ you can test depth 20 SF 15.1 against depth 35 SF 16 yourself lol
When 2 engines are playing, who is judging the moves and rating the bar? 🤔🤓
bar goes from position probably, i think it works like if Stockfish isn't seen the move opponent did its overanalyzing it and maybe can see that this move is better than it did so
They use another Stockfish and makes it depth higher
Whoever is usually rating the bar
Stockfish is but at a lower depth so the eval bar isn’t accurate unless you let it calculate at the highest depth
Stockfish 15.1
Торч молодец, никогда не думал, что наркоман так хорошо сыграет
@@robya8513 Its a joke only Russians can get. “Torch” in russian literally sounds like “Торч”, which is synonym of “Drug addict”.
@@robya8513 ok boomer
@@robya8513Какие мы важные😂
Будь проще
@@robya8513 Я бы понял твоё поведение, если бы ты совершил какое то выдающийся вклад в общество, науку или спорт и т.д
4070 is sf's fischer random rating btw, actual elo is 3930 and ~3500 respectively (title).
Why is there 2 ratings, one is I assume fide and what is the other one based off of
@@The_Human_Tripod3500 is torch’s elo iirc
Of course stockfish had to end it with a triangle mate 😂
Holy crap ! I could hear a Sonic boom, every time a move was played.
Yep😅
Seeing the computer make an excellent move doesn't scare me... Seeing it blunder does...
Perhaps you can trying giving SF black pieces
Probably a draw
Well stock fish is the king of chess after all.
Music: N'to - Trauma (Worakls Remix) :D
its like marvel vs thanos exept its stockfish vs torch and leelachess and alphazero
they gave stockfish white in the kings indian bro yall know the computers do better with white in those lines. im biased tho when i see these videos i want the 50 elo to not matter
stockfish did so well in the endgame the logic was overflowing with perfection it was pure genius kinda disappointed black made some sloppy moves
also i wanna play stockfish so bad like destroy me daddy
Very interesting choice of words 😂
Lmaoo
Stockfish rating: "damn, i'm brilliant"
“Always develop your king in endgames, it is crucial whether you will win or not”
Stockfish: Nah I’d win
How can i play with torch or stockfish
U can't play torch yet its unreleased as for stockfish idk
Download stock fish
Stockfish missed an opportunity to checkmate by qD8 after rook takes then checkmate
Can you put a time stamp?
It’s not since the bishops is there,so it’s just a blunder
How did it go from best move back to theory?
I didn't see this engine before
When you have 50 more elo
How do I use torch?
You can't
Beginning of the game was like:📖📖📖📖📖📖📖
Brillant at 2:08
agreed thats what really stuck out
Torch is the type of bot to checkmate without his or himself blundering once.
Okay there are misstake moves everywhere? Why not let respective engine get 1 hour thinking time in total? Doing that, the analysis will have stockfish 16 on 100 % accuracy and torch about
97 % accuracy. Why 97 only? Because torch has lower elo than stockfish 16.
1:43 check mate
Its not possible cause the stockfish is already in check
Ratings are iff
First torch isnt 4k rating second white bot always wins if its not martin
That's not true.
😂😂😂😂 I have lost in between
Can you put the higher elo one as black
How can engine do mistakes that sus
Maybe because of time control
Why do you copy videos with the same music and interface?
Nobody can beat stockfish
Torch actually has beaten stockfish before
@@Carboy454 times out of 1000, but yes
Alpha Zero?
@@deep_mind9934 It beat stockfish 8, we have stockfish 16 now
@@deep_mind9934 Beaten Stockfish 8. It's Stockfish 16
There's no way, stockfish is stockfish
Yeah, that’s why it won lol
Only alphazero can put real fight against stockfish 16
@@atulasgautam it's not even a fight. alpha zero destroys stockfish
@@Ian-iy7slAlphaZero played Stockfish 8 at that time, which was way weaker than Stockfish 16
Stockfish 8 had an estimated ELO of around 3800, where Stockfish 16 has ~4050
AlphaZero is nothing compared to Stockfish 16
@@bIobfishghost Stockfish won because an unbalanced opening book was used. This was used to avoid draws.
Torch isn’t out for the public yet though? Where do you get these results from, are these just sf16 v sf15 games
i think its a game played from the computer chess championship
Computer chess championship
I need the music :)
Torch is 3500~ rated
What is the music to this?
Trauma Worakls Remix
@@EndaZeMonke Thank you.
@@hyperblueeonbeta No problem :)
Where does this 4000 rating come from? I ran Stockfish 16 and it was only a bit stronger than Stockfish 15.
From stockfish
@@ayberkgirgin3864 I see no evidence Stockfish actually plays at that level. It seems to play at 3600, as compared to other chess engines.
torch is 3500
4000 elo making mistakes?
как же задолбали ставить стокфиш белыми, куда не посмотрю
The Torch
dosent stockfish 16 play the best moves
4000 elo playing mistakes?
its possible if they are given fractions of a second to move
@@jamesgrist1101or the Engine is weak or given little to no time to analyze
The engine is weak because stockfish better alynisis
@@Arvl."Engine is weak" How many matches you won against it?😂
Торч
Stockfish loves razor sharp lines no human wants that position but surprisingly thats a winning position.
Chess when played perfectly it's a dra- nevermind 💀
This music… my ears…
🐉🧠⚡️💡🥊♟️👁
Stop giving stockfish white all the time 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Stockfish will won no matter what color it was
@@mr.amangeldiyevTorch won in the next game with white pieces
@@curious_banda Stockfish has better records against Torch. Stockfish W% is more than 60% whereas Torch W% is less than 40% when these two are against each other. If you talk about opening pairs, Stockfish is light years ahead of Torch. [Stockfish won 284 openings; Torch won only 4 and 212 ended up in a draw]