Carb Cheater is now publicly available! This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions! to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned! (Go to "store" on website to buy a kit) Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good. Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment. big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
I think this product is a godsend, there are still a lot of us older "gear heads" that like carbs. Sure EFI is "better" but there is a lot more to go wrong with EFI and it can be expensive to fix IMHO. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to send a kit to your fellow youtubers, VGG, Junkyard Digs, DD's Speed Shop et al. and get them to install it on one of their "revivals" and have them make a video of the install and results. I think the more people see this being utilized by the other people they watch and hearing the positive feedback (which I am certain you would get) would go a long way in promoting and reassuring people this isn't "snake oil". Just my two cents. Wishing you the best of luck and hope these sell like the proverbial "hot cakes". Keep up the great work.
We're at a point where we can do what OEMs used to do at the end of the carb era, but with better and cheaper electronics. Congratulations on bringing this to market!
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!
It's ALIVE! The carburetor world just changed for the best! Such a high quality & comprehensive kit, wow! Congrats., Professor Luke & Dr. Joe! Ya'll are my automotive heroes, along with Smokey Yunick! Ok, I've got to save up my spare change & dollars & get one now! Best wishes & prayers for long term successes! Paul from S. Central Tx.
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
I'm aussie too and holy shit are we bad with carbys here, so much nonsense in FB groups. Handful of shops have a monopoly on tuning them, properly, because we're lazy, too much money and pay everyone for everything all the time. I'll be buying a couple as soon as I can. Bonus is the wideband is of actual good quality unlike AEM presently, and they want like $300+ AUD for just the wideband + gauge.
@@cobyfield9237 Luke has other videos on this setup that got me interested in the whole carb cheater to begin with. I think it's a great idea and he works on Fords. Like, the cool older ones. I'm actually thinking of using the carb cheater on my side project Holden HQ ute with a rather hopped up 202 inline 6, 4BBL stick shift.
This is a GAME CHANGER! BRAVO LUKE! I'm A 69 year old gear head. I HATE FUEL INJECTION! I have a Stock 1979 C-20 454 cu in Edelbrock intake and 625 carb that this unit looks like the perfect match for. Looking forward to your next video!
Honestly, this is a product that could change the landscape of our hobby. Will be ordering soon. I love that you guys put your heart and soul into developing this. I hope this blows up for you guys.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
Good on you for actually including everything needed to install the kit. Things like the extended studs for the carb spacer, the fuse holders and the clamp on bung might seem small, but you just saved every single person who buys this kit a drive to the auto parts store. Great work!
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
Luke & Joe well done, will be buying one for sure, you guys were born 50-70 yrs. to late this would have a been god sent back in the day, not that it not now, good luck with your success.
G'day from Australia. Just wanted to say- please don't ever apologize for the tech tips mate, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates them. Cheers and keep up the good work
I bet a spacer plate with vacuum hoses could do the trick. I'm thinking about doing the same on my 52 Ford with the straight 6 and factory intake manifold
Great ideal you just got another subscriber. Looking forward to seeing your next video. You have just brought carburetors back to life in a whole new world and thank you brother. God bless you and your family
A fellow Iowa resident! I've taken a recent interest in old Japanese motorcycles, and 4 carbs at once can really frustrate you. I'd love to learn more about how this system works to see if there's a way to make one for a 4 carb/4 cylinder cycle engine.
You may know this already.. but.. for those who don’t.. Typically motorcycles use CV or Constant Velocity carbs.. which respond differently than Holley or Edelbrock designs.. Because they compensate for airflow by raising or lowering the metering rod based on air velocity, you want to balance them using vacuum sticks or airflow meters. You start with them off the bike and use feeler gauges to set the butterflys..do it with them on the idle stop AND at wide open.. you want them exactly in sync with each other… then check with the vacuum sticks or airflow meters.. they will show vacuum leaks or bad valves/valve adjustments, which are common on Japanese bikes because the shim under bucket can be a pain… As a fellow enthusiast of these bikes and Italian and German as well..only a few things kill them.. bad floats and seats, water/ modern fuel left in them causing corrosion .. after that valves sticking and valve springs collapsing from sitting for years. Best of luck and have fun!
I was into 70s multiple cylinder bikes about 20 years ago. Most of those ( mainly Honda) were not cv carbs. Tiny low speed jets were usually partially plugged up on a neglected bike. Leaky / worn float valves and bad fuel tank petcocks are common. I used a rack of 4 vacuum gages to synchronize them, not hard. High prices for carb parts was the worst problem. Honda (and others )probably had a good reason for using 4 carbs instead of 1, but I don’t know what the reason is. I would love to hear about your efforts to single carb a Japanese multi. Good luck!
My buddy and I cleaned/rebuilt the same set of carbs 3-4 times for one motorcycle. Turns out soaking in cleaner is greater than simply spraying with carb cleaner. Also having a tank cleaned/sealed to get rid of the rust/detritus also helps ;-)
I gotta check this thing out! I’ve been working with Holleys for years, and I know that there’s more to gain from them. I just don’t have the time. My car sits, more than I drive it. It runs well, but I believe it has more potential. You’ve got me really excited about this!
Thanks for the tips Luke! I will grease my gaskets where applicable from now on. Will even save me some money in the long run 👍Also a good thing to note is that it is fail safe. When the Carb Cheater box fails, the carburetor will still be able to function.
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
So a controlled vacuum leak ...simple and effective and what a blessing for folks who live in climates with massive temp and Barometric pressure swings... I fuel inject everything because I lean burn my gas rigs... But this is a decent solution for Holley and Carter that have less than stellar emulsion processes ...good job
I had an idea similar to this and was searching to see if it was a thing and found you. What you have done with it is beyond what I was even thinking. Like a separate cruise AFR! This is probably the best car product I've ever seen.
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
I haven't purchased one yet but I sure plan to within the next few months. Don't apologize for all the tech tips, they are very welcomed and appreciated.
Got to say, this is pretty nifty for the people new to cars or just carb tuning. Would be an interesting option for a headache free weekend cruiser that isn't efi too. I've been doing the grease on gasket trick my whole life. Dad was born in Tennessee up in the mountains in 1939. When he was growing up it was basically a requirement to keep sheets of gasket making material on hand to keep everything going on the farm. To prolong the gaskets life and help with sealing they would lather them in grease. When times were real tough they even cut out and layered pages of old mail order catalogs and thin cardboard boxes into truly backwoods made gaskets. They would take the layers and brush them in grease and then set them in the sun to get the grease to become thinner. Once it seemed about right they would take thin boards place the greased up stack of paper on it, place another board on top and then back the tractor on top on the boards to compact it all down. If the tractor was what was broken they would press them under the biggest logs they hadn't already split for the smokehouse or wood burner. He told me the gaskets would many times have a small trickle of fluid or vacuum leak initially. Once they were able to get some heat into it a time or two the paper would swell back up and the leaks would be gone. Some of them lasted way longer than they ever should have. 20yrs ago his sister sold their old family tractor which still had several 30+yr old homemade gaskets holding strong. They used all kinds of other materials at times too and another he said worked rather well was leather soaked in grease or pine tar. I've also used permatex 51845 without the activator on carb gaskets and air cleaner base gaskets with a lot of success. Seals great, doesn't really wipe away, and allows the gasket to be reused nearly indefinitely.
Wow $383 for the full kit is a great price compared to a holly sniper or something similar. I'm gonna order one before Holly or another company offers you a billion dollars and Jack's the price to $3k. Awesome product man.
We made it to help people and didn't want to be price prohibitive in doing that. We both are just fine on money these days - not glutinous for money type people.
Not a bad price the big question how ever is tech support. Never underestimate the general population to take something painfully simple and screw up the install. They do it every day with Snipers failing to read the instructions and then blame the product for install problems.
Luke, this thing is awesome, but you need a layout that is easier to conceal, because a lot of the people who will want this are keeping their carburetors because they are driving classics, and don't want the visual changes under their hood.
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
This looks like an awesome setup for someone who can't afford to go EFI or wants to keep that classic carb but wants something to help hold it in tune better. I can see this exploding in popularity because it's like the in between step between carb and EFI. You have a carb, then carb with the carb cheater, throttle body EFI, then multiport EFI. Awesome job guys 👍👍
Now this is cool Luke! I can’t wait to get my hands on one! I have a 1979 nova with the 250 straight six and would love to put the carb cheater on it for fun and see how it works!
@11:15 using wheel bearing grease on fiber gaskets - related hack, I've used chapstick on Holly carb float bowl gaskets ;) I also use grease on cork/rubber valve cover gaskets, adhere the gasket to the cover w/ silicone, and then grease the side that contacts the engine head... use only enough bolt torque to arrest any leaking (contact, plus a quarter turn!) and I've open and closed the same valve covers repeatedly over 11-years reusing the same gaskets.
We don't charge enough to be rich, this is a near cost scenario after all the business and taxes are said and done. We're just happy to make something for the automotive community 🙂👍
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
This is extremely intriguing, I love driving my T-bird but the gas mileage isn't great, so it sounds like this is just the kind of thing I could use to feel free to drive it more often.
Very impressive creating a controlled vacuum leak to lean out a rich carburetor until the mixture gets as close to stoichiometric as possible. An elegant and simple solution to a limitation of carbs we've had to put up with for years.
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Here’s my question. Say you have a good tuned 2 barrel carb and buy a carb cheater. Would you be able to jump up the jet size and run this device to gain extra cfm & compensate for the jet size? Basically, could this allow more airflow (through the metered vacuum leak) to make more power with the same carb? Just curious on this one, seems like the opportunity to get additional CFM’s & potential power.
This is fascinating and awesome, very cool. You answered my only question in the last 1 minute, you do not have to have the phone connected, the box will remember your settings.
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how Carb Cheater enriches a lean mixture (electric choke?). It's easy to understand how it leans the mixture. The real key to this obviously is the Wideband O2 sensor along with your software. Wideband sensors gave.give the average guy the ability to monitor the A/F ratio real time and not have to rely on the old method of reading spark plugs or having to go to a specialty shop to have tuning done. The easy availability of wideband O2 sensors (and gauges/software to read them) has helped carburated and fuel injected enthusiasts. Anyway nice work!
I dont think it's that brilliant, there's no money to be made in order to keep the price affordable so a big company won't do it. It's basically a public service at this price
Holley came out with an electronic AFR adjustment in the 1980s. It was called Dia-a-Jet and used a PWM mixture control solenoid like many OEM smog carbs. It was a slow seller because without a modern WB AFR guage it wasn't that useful.
I did a search, & a company called Thunder Products makes a device for power spots called Dial-a-Jet. It seems like doesn't use any elect feedback....... I'd like to read about that old Holley gizmo!
that thing you did with soaking your gasket in grease, i use oil, just before install, works great! lots of moped gaskets to done like that, no headgaskets tho!!
You do know this tech was available from car manufacturers in the 1980s right? Many manufacturers installed what is known as feedback carburetors on their vehicles that uses sensors to meter and adjust the carburetor on the go. Wasn't worth the money and was quickly dropped after around 5 to 8 years of use in favor of true EFI.
Think of what a personal computer was in the 1980s vs today. We didn't even have a wideband till 1995 and then not even a modern style till the late 00s. If they had the tech of today, the "feedback carbs" would have actually been lights out. Great idea, the tech just wasn't there at the time.
@@I-watch-at-2x, didn't say I'm worrying about it. It's called talking. People do that to exchange information or ideas. What I stated was exchanging information.
I’m getting an old 1984 f150 I was planning on a getting a Holley sniper but I forgot about this til I watched your recent video and yep I’m getting this it’s just so much better and cheaper
Very cool product, I’m glad you came up with this, it’s genius and will hopefully help save the carburetor world since everyone is afraid of carbs and always pushing fuel injection, which I’ve never liked. Love my carbs, so I’ll be checking more into this. Great work y’all!
Nice to see the actual installation is as easy as possible I emailed last time you posted a video on the carb cheater as soon as you are ready to ship to Australia i am happy to be a paying local tester
Down to earth genius! Wish this was around back on the day, when I was wrenching! Love that it's like, easy enough for my 3 yr old grandson to install! (By the way, he loved this video) Only thing I might suggest, since you're marketing for simplicity of install, is have your wires labeled for connection. ie, + battery, - ground, + coil, etc. Looks like an awesome product. Good luck with it Luke.
Feedback carb technology was around in the 1980s. They were the stepping stone to true EFI. This just makes use of more modern sensors. The major problem that killed the feedback carbs in the 1980s was after a few years they didn't work too great as the EPA kept putting the squeeze on cleaning up the emissions and the feedback carb just couldn't meet those requirements so they were discontinued in favor of true EFI which is superior form of fuel metering. It's nice to see someone bring about a stand alone system and price it fairly decent. Just don't know why someone in the modern world of LS transplants go with a reimagine feedback carburetors system over an actual EFI system that is on the market that has more functionality. For labeling the wires for simplicity you can do that but people will still ignore it. I see people that can't wire up a universal wiring harness for their car that has every wire pad printed with what it is every 6 inches as well as a booklet showing what wire goes where on the connectors. I also see people with snipers that didn't bother to read the book and think it's fine to ground the sniper to the engine and the battery hot to the alternator charge lug when the instructions say clearly make connections at the battery.
@Milner62 thanks for the feedback. I dealt with cars mostly from the 70's and back. I agree, some folks can't, or won't read labels/instructions. They deserve what they end up with. As far as, carb vs efi, I agree that efi is much more efficient, however, if you're trying to keep it as original as possible, this system seems like a nice little way to avoid headaches if you're not overly familiar with how carbs work. Adjusting them can sometimes be menacing, even for us old timers. I haven't wrenched in over 20 years, but love to watch the younger guys continue the journey.
@@16vSciroccoboi, people buying carbs are buying them as they know about carbs. People who knows nothing about carbs won't be buying a carb they will go with something like EFI either factory or aftermarket.
Thank u for the wisdom! Question, besides idle speed and making it leaner by bypassing air how do u make it richer? What’s different from just making a controlled vacuum leak? I’ve played with that and it’s only good for about 200rpm which is great but less than 1 point afr
As someone who had never worked on large carbs (only ever done lawnmower stuff) this is *really* cool. It looks like it would take some of the mystery out of tuning, if I ever own a car with a carburetor I'm definitely going to put this on it.
Growing up in the 60s and 70s my father drove a 64 Galaxie 500. We had a lot of memories in that car. My mom drove a 63 Galaxie in the late 70s into the 80s.
Congrats - I knew about this and watched this anyway. I don't have any use for it but I gave it some thought and figured at what price point this would be viable and you NAILED it. Exactly my guess, I hope you sell a mountain of these things... wait, could I run this on my lawn mower?
this sounds very cool. I looks like from what I've looked up they're for 4 BBLs initially. Hope you guys come out with something for 2BBL 2 stage Weber/Holley. great work!
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Carb Cheater is now publicly available!
This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions!
to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned!
(Go to "store" on website to buy a kit)
Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good.
Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment.
big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Who reads instructions?!?!?!
@@estonianperson1112I can't even read
@@ThunderHead289 Looks like we're about even then. I'm allergic to reading instructions!
Good thing you are a programmer.
Do you make a kit that will work on a carter bbd
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
lmao. a pwm controlled vacuum leak beneath a carb jetted too rich IS NOT going to put any OEM on its ear. lmao.
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
Thank you so much Luke for all you've taught the carburetor community, you sir are a true national treasure and a genius!
No genius - just a guy who can beat his head against a wall a lot and a good support team in Joe ternus behind me on this project 👍
I think this product is a godsend, there are still a lot of us older "gear heads" that like carbs. Sure EFI is "better" but there is a lot more to go wrong with EFI and it can be expensive to fix IMHO. If I could offer one suggestion, it would be to send a kit to your fellow youtubers, VGG, Junkyard Digs, DD's Speed Shop et al. and get them to install it on one of their "revivals" and have them make a video of the install and results. I think the more people see this being utilized by the other people they watch and hearing the positive feedback (which I am certain you would get) would go a long way in promoting and reassuring people this isn't "snake oil". Just my two cents. Wishing you the best of luck and hope these sell like the proverbial "hot cakes". Keep up the great work.
We're at a point where we can do what OEMs used to do at the end of the carb era, but with better and cheaper electronics. Congratulations on bringing this to market!
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!
It's ALIVE! The carburetor world just changed for the best! Such a high quality & comprehensive kit, wow! Congrats., Professor Luke & Dr. Joe! Ya'll are my automotive heroes, along with Smokey Yunick! Ok, I've got to save up my spare change & dollars & get one now! Best wishes & prayers for long term successes! Paul from S. Central Tx.
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
We both thank you very much and I hope cc serves you as well as it has served me 🙂
Luke....you NAILED IT!!!! For what its worth thanks for keeping it simple and so darn effective....
WELL DONE 🍻
I'm in Australia too and very keen on one of these in the near future. Cheers for being awesome Luke and Joe.
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I'm aussie too and holy shit are we bad with carbys here, so much nonsense in FB groups. Handful of shops have a monopoly on tuning them, properly, because we're lazy, too much money and pay everyone for everything all the time. I'll be buying a couple as soon as I can. Bonus is the wideband is of actual good quality unlike AEM presently, and they want like $300+ AUD for just the wideband + gauge.
@@cobyfield9237 Luke has other videos on this setup that got me interested in the whole carb cheater to begin with. I think it's a great idea and he works on Fords. Like, the cool older ones. I'm actually thinking of using the carb cheater on my side project Holden HQ ute with a rather hopped up 202 inline 6, 4BBL stick shift.
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This is a GAME CHANGER! BRAVO LUKE! I'm A 69 year old gear head. I HATE FUEL INJECTION! I have a Stock 1979 C-20 454 cu in Edelbrock intake and 625 carb that this unit looks like the perfect match for. Looking forward to your next video!
Honestly, this is a product that could change the landscape of our hobby. Will be ordering soon. I love that you guys put your heart and soul into developing this. I hope this blows up for you guys.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
Please keep the tech tips in your videos. They are GOLD! Especially for beginners and hobbyist that don't do this full time.
Good on you for actually including everything needed to install the kit. Things like the extended studs for the carb spacer, the fuse holders and the clamp on bung might seem small, but you just saved every single person who buys this kit a drive to the auto parts store. Great work!
We want it to be very easy, it really does take less than 2 hours to install - we wanted it to be an enjoyable process, not frustrating 🙂
Its pretty amazing the amount of features you get for the price, I was honestly expecting it to be higher
Installing ours this weekend so we can play with it next week! Looking forward to trying this little bit of dark wizardry out!
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
Great job Luke, i would imagine that the carb industry is going to latch onto this idea and try to add accessories for it!
Luke & Joe well done, will be buying one for sure, you guys were born 50-70 yrs. to late this would have a been god sent back in the day, not that it not now, good luck with your success.
Congratulations Luke. Looks really well engineered and well thought out. Good luck, especially with the help line.
G'day from Australia. Just wanted to say- please don't ever apologize for the tech tips mate, I'm sure I'm not the only one that appreciates them. Cheers and keep up the good work
Nicely done Luke! Can this benefit a single barrel application, like an Autolite 1100 in an F100?
I believe they had that exact setup in a previous video, the green f100
I bet a spacer plate with vacuum hoses could do the trick. I'm thinking about doing the same on my 52 Ford with the straight 6 and factory intake manifold
Great ideal you just got another subscriber. Looking forward to seeing your next video. You have just brought carburetors back to life in a whole new world and thank you brother. God bless you and your family
A fellow Iowa resident! I've taken a recent interest in old Japanese motorcycles, and 4 carbs at once can really frustrate you. I'd love to learn more about how this system works to see if there's a way to make one for a 4 carb/4 cylinder cycle engine.
You may know this already.. but.. for those who don’t.. Typically motorcycles use CV or Constant Velocity carbs.. which respond differently than Holley or Edelbrock designs.. Because they compensate for airflow by raising or lowering the metering rod based on air velocity, you want to balance them using vacuum sticks or airflow meters. You start with them off the bike and use feeler gauges to set the butterflys..do it with them on the idle stop AND at wide open.. you want them exactly in sync with each other… then check with the vacuum sticks or airflow meters.. they will show vacuum leaks or bad valves/valve adjustments, which are common on Japanese bikes because the shim under bucket can be a pain… As a fellow enthusiast of these bikes and Italian and German as well..only a few things kill them.. bad floats and seats, water/ modern fuel left in them causing corrosion .. after that valves sticking and valve springs collapsing from sitting for years. Best of luck and have fun!
I was into 70s multiple cylinder bikes about 20 years ago. Most of those ( mainly Honda) were not cv carbs. Tiny low speed jets were usually partially plugged up on a neglected bike. Leaky / worn float valves and bad fuel tank petcocks are common. I used a rack of 4 vacuum gages to synchronize them, not hard. High prices for carb parts was the worst problem. Honda (and others )probably had a good reason for using 4 carbs instead of 1, but I don’t know what the reason is. I would love to hear about your efforts to single carb a Japanese multi. Good luck!
My buddy and I cleaned/rebuilt the same set of carbs 3-4 times for one motorcycle. Turns out soaking in cleaner is greater than simply spraying with carb cleaner. Also having a tank cleaned/sealed to get rid of the rust/detritus also helps ;-)
Thunder products intelajet or dialajet for motorcycle carbs.
I gotta check this thing out! I’ve been working with Holleys for years, and I know that there’s more to gain from them. I just don’t have the time. My car sits, more than I drive it. It runs well, but I believe it has more potential. You’ve got me really excited about this!
Giving your Dad a close ratio 4 speed for his truck is about as awesome as it gets!
Well I know what I’m buying for my old bull nose F150 next payday. I seriously cannot thank you enough for making this👍
Thanks for the tips Luke! I will grease my gaskets where applicable from now on. Will even save me some money in the long run 👍Also a good thing to note is that it is fail safe. When the Carb Cheater box fails, the carburetor will still be able to function.
I use spray silicone lube. Works great. 2 quick coats on each side
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
"double bubble butt bevel" I think could work 😉
So a controlled vacuum leak ...simple and effective and what a blessing for folks who live in climates with massive temp and Barometric pressure swings... I fuel inject everything because I lean burn my gas rigs... But this is a decent solution for Holley and Carter that have less than stellar emulsion processes ...good job
I give u so mich credit for doing this when all the heavy weights out there wont like it.great work.i also like how humble u are much respect
This is a great invention for carb enthusiasts! I hope the product takes off for you, Luke. Great job as always!
Huge THANX Luke!!!! your abilities make me smile! Aint seen innovation like yours in DECADES!!!!
Thanks Luke! Looking forward to diving deeper into the app. The system worked great right out of the box for me but now I need to PLAY with it. 👍
I had an idea similar to this and was searching to see if it was a thing and found you. What you have done with it is beyond what I was even thinking. Like a separate cruise AFR! This is probably the best car product I've ever seen.
How well does this work with an engine that has a larger cam?
Dont apologize for the tech tips, we frakin' love them.
Id love a break down of how this works. Because this looks like a really cool system.
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
I haven't purchased one yet but I sure plan to within the next few months. Don't apologize for all the tech tips, they are very welcomed and appreciated.
Hey Luke, what will be the difference between beta and final version? When will final version be shipped? Is it worthwhile waiting?
Got to say, this is pretty nifty for the people new to cars or just carb tuning. Would be an interesting option for a headache free weekend cruiser that isn't efi too.
I've been doing the grease on gasket trick my whole life. Dad was born in Tennessee up in the mountains in 1939. When he was growing up it was basically a requirement to keep sheets of gasket making material on hand to keep everything going on the farm. To prolong the gaskets life and help with sealing they would lather them in grease.
When times were real tough they even cut out and layered pages of old mail order catalogs and thin cardboard boxes into truly backwoods made gaskets. They would take the layers and brush them in grease and then set them in the sun to get the grease to become thinner.
Once it seemed about right they would take thin boards place the greased up stack of paper on it, place another board on top and then back the tractor on top on the boards to compact it all down. If the tractor was what was broken they would press them under the biggest logs they hadn't already split for the smokehouse or wood burner.
He told me the gaskets would many times have a small trickle of fluid or vacuum leak initially. Once they were able to get some heat into it a time or two the paper would swell back up and the leaks would be gone. Some of them lasted way longer than they ever should have. 20yrs ago his sister sold their old family tractor which still had several 30+yr old homemade gaskets holding strong.
They used all kinds of other materials at times too and another he said worked rather well was leather soaked in grease or pine tar.
I've also used permatex 51845 without the activator on carb gaskets and air cleaner base gaskets with a lot of success. Seals great, doesn't really wipe away, and allows the gasket to be reused nearly indefinitely.
Wow $383 for the full kit is a great price compared to a holly sniper or something similar. I'm gonna order one before Holly or another company offers you a billion dollars and Jack's the price to $3k. Awesome product man.
We made it to help people and didn't want to be price prohibitive in doing that. We both are just fine on money these days - not glutinous for money type people.
Not a bad price the big question how ever is tech support.
Never underestimate the general population to take something painfully simple and screw up the install. They do it every day with Snipers failing to read the instructions and then blame the product for install problems.
why am i watching this? i don't even own a cellphone.
best wishes for success, luke!
Incredible little setup. We all wanted this but there wasn't anything like it. Please don't up the price before I can get one on my car!
I'm glad Luke decided to make this for purchase. I am not a fan of carburetors but definitely understand their is a need. Good luck.
Luke, this thing is awesome, but you need a layout that is easier to conceal, because a lot of the people who will want this are keeping their carburetors because they are driving classics, and don't want the visual changes under their hood.
Maybe mount it under the dash & pass the wires & hoses thru the firewall with grommets ?.....
It's pretty easy to conceal this system.
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
hi Luke , will you be posting to Australia ?
I'm probably going to buy one of these too and need it shipped to the other side of the world..to Estonia, in Europe. Import fees would kill me!
Or to Norway?
im gonna need more than one lol i have 12 cars
@@panelvanman7671 I'll need a coupe of them too 🤣
Ordering one to Sweden ASAP.
This looks like an awesome setup for someone who can't afford to go EFI or wants to keep that classic carb but wants something to help hold it in tune better. I can see this exploding in popularity because it's like the in between step between carb and EFI. You have a carb, then carb with the carb cheater, throttle body EFI, then multiport EFI. Awesome job guys 👍👍
Absolutely love the tech tips, helps with keeping the old iron running good and easier to maintain
Now this is cool Luke! I can’t wait to get my hands on one! I have a 1979 nova with the 250 straight six and would love to put the carb cheater on it for fun and see how it works!
What you didn’t mention luke is the adjustment screws on the carb… do I just leave them the way they come out of the box from the new carb?
Keep up the great work man. I've been in this business 30 years I'm quite impressed and that says a lot. Follow your dreams
I can’t wait to install this on my 72 C-10 step-side. You rock man!!
Geek and petrol head/gear head, are a awesome combo.
I hope you can keep up with the demand! This is going to be great I can’t wait to see what everyone does with this thing!
@11:15 using wheel bearing grease on fiber gaskets - related hack, I've used chapstick on Holly carb float bowl gaskets ;) I also use grease on cork/rubber valve cover gaskets, adhere the gasket to the cover w/ silicone, and then grease the side that contacts the engine head... use only enough bolt torque to arrest any leaking (contact, plus a quarter turn!) and I've open and closed the same valve covers repeatedly over 11-years reusing the same gaskets.
I just think this dude is brilliant. I'm glad i found his videos through his lawnmower carb experiments.
I'm not smart, I can just beat my head against a wall to learn something longer than most
@@ThunderHead289 fair enough. "tenacious" perhaps?
I knew that you were going to be rich one day. Congratulations on your invention!
We don't charge enough to be rich, this is a near cost scenario after all the business and taxes are said and done. We're just happy to make something for the automotive community 🙂👍
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
Better than sucking a peoce of gasket into a valve and bending it potentially 🙂
This is extremely intriguing, I love driving my T-bird but the gas mileage isn't great, so it sounds like this is just the kind of thing I could use to feel free to drive it more often.
Very impressive creating a controlled vacuum leak to lean out a rich carburetor until the mixture gets as close to stoichiometric as possible. An elegant and simple solution to a limitation of carbs we've had to put up with for years.
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
i just ordered mine :) been a big fan of yours since years, greetings from the netherlands :D
Thanks so much 🙂
Hope you enjoy it - one of those things I had always wished someone made anyway
thank you luke for this beutiful device! i will certainly enjoy tinkering with it :) wil let you know how it goes @@ThunderHead289
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Here’s my question. Say you have a good tuned 2 barrel carb and buy a carb cheater. Would you be able to jump up the jet size and run this device to gain extra cfm & compensate for the jet size? Basically, could this allow more airflow (through the metered vacuum leak) to make more power with the same carb? Just curious on this one, seems like the opportunity to get additional CFM’s & potential power.
VERY IMPRESSIVE! I AM SURE IT WILL SELL WELL IN AUSSIELAND AS WELL. I WOULD HAVE LOVED ONE BACK IN THE 80/90'S WHEN MY CARS WERE ALL CARBED.
There was that real bad storm this weekend nice to see your barn is still up, I hate iowa weather sometimes
Iowa is a feast or famine anymore when it comes to weather isn't it - dang. We got rattled this weekend for sure
This has made my year, been keeping my eye on it and am super excited, wish my brain was as big as yours, will be ordering soon
This is fascinating and awesome, very cool.
You answered my only question in the last 1 minute, you do not have to have the phone connected, the box will remember your settings.
will this help when the elevation changes? like 5,000 feet (n.Utah)_ to like Colorado (7,000 feet)
Very impressive..good to see a young man realize his dreams..Don't let the top 1% steal this...
I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how Carb Cheater enriches a lean mixture (electric choke?). It's easy to understand how it leans the mixture.
The real key to this obviously is the Wideband O2 sensor along with your software.
Wideband sensors gave.give the average guy the ability to monitor the A/F ratio real time and not have to rely on the old method of reading spark plugs or having to go to a specialty shop to have tuning done. The easy availability of wideband O2 sensors (and gauges/software to read them) has helped carburated and fuel injected enthusiasts.
Anyway nice work!
Holley has all these engineers and still haven't come close to something this brilliant.
I dont think it's that brilliant, there's no money to be made in order to keep the price affordable so a big company won't do it. It's basically a public service at this price
Holley came out with an electronic AFR adjustment in the 1980s. It was called Dia-a-Jet and used a PWM mixture control solenoid like many OEM smog carbs. It was a slow seller because without a modern WB AFR guage it wasn't that useful.
I did a search, & a company called Thunder Products makes a device for power spots called Dial-a-Jet. It seems like doesn't use any elect feedback....... I'd like to read about that old Holley gizmo!
I remember the Dial a Jet. Never saw one in action personally but the magazine write ups were always positive.
that thing you did with soaking your gasket in grease, i use oil, just before install, works great! lots of moped gaskets to done like that, no headgaskets tho!!
I've been wanting something like this for so long. Simple concept but... Genius!
Talk about revolutionary technology. I hope this product of yours brings you all tha happiness you deserve!
You do know this tech was available from car manufacturers in the 1980s right?
Many manufacturers installed what is known as feedback carburetors on their vehicles that uses sensors to meter and adjust the carburetor on the go.
Wasn't worth the money and was quickly dropped after around 5 to 8 years of use in favor of true EFI.
Think of what a personal computer was in the 1980s vs today. We didn't even have a wideband till 1995 and then not even a modern style till the late 00s.
If they had the tech of today, the "feedback carbs" would have actually been lights out.
Great idea, the tech just wasn't there at the time.
@@ThunderHead289, still not revolutionary is my point it's 1980s tech with a better ECM. It still does the same thing thoses feedback carbs did.
@@Milner62 then quite simply, don't worry about it
@@I-watch-at-2x, didn't say I'm worrying about it. It's called talking. People do that to exchange information or ideas. What I stated was exchanging information.
This is brilliant great product what an awesome talent you have
Love seeing the creation of this as it went on your channel. Great work and amazing
This is sick! The wave of the future for carbed engines..................👍
Great product that fills a void for sure. Any future for an IOS version for us IPhone people?
This is pretty cool. I love this approach to learning how to actually tune a carb using tech 👌
You have the right idea 👍
I’m getting an old 1984 f150 I was planning on a getting a Holley sniper but I forgot about this til I watched your recent video and yep I’m getting this it’s just so much better and cheaper
Very cool product, I’m glad you came up with this, it’s genius and will hopefully help save the carburetor world since everyone is afraid of carbs and always pushing fuel injection, which I’ve never liked. Love my carbs, so I’ll be checking more into this. Great work y’all!
I dig your dads Boxwood Green F100!
Waiting for the next batch. Any plans for apple App Store support
Nice to see the actual installation is as easy as possible
I emailed last time you posted a video on the carb cheater
as soon as you are ready to ship to Australia i am happy to be a paying local tester
Got mine today. I'll probably install it tomorrow or Monday. Another way I like to drain the carb is to use a spray paint can lid to catch the gas
Down to earth genius! Wish this was around back on the day, when I was wrenching!
Love that it's like, easy enough for my 3 yr old grandson to install! (By the way, he loved this video) Only thing I might suggest, since you're marketing for simplicity of install, is have your wires labeled for connection. ie, + battery, - ground, + coil, etc.
Looks like an awesome product. Good luck with it Luke.
Feedback carb technology was around in the 1980s. They were the stepping stone to true EFI.
This just makes use of more modern sensors. The major problem that killed the feedback carbs in the 1980s was after a few years they didn't work too great as the EPA kept putting the squeeze on cleaning up the emissions and the feedback carb just couldn't meet those requirements so they were discontinued in favor of true EFI which is superior form of fuel metering.
It's nice to see someone bring about a stand alone system and price it fairly decent. Just don't know why someone in the modern world of LS transplants go with a reimagine feedback carburetors system over an actual EFI system that is on the market that has more functionality.
For labeling the wires for simplicity you can do that but people will still ignore it.
I see people that can't wire up a universal wiring harness for their car that has every wire pad printed with what it is every 6 inches as well as a booklet showing what wire goes where on the connectors.
I also see people with snipers that didn't bother to read the book and think it's fine to ground the sniper to the engine and the battery hot to the alternator charge lug when the instructions say clearly make connections at the battery.
@Milner62 thanks for the feedback. I dealt with cars mostly from the 70's and back. I agree, some folks can't, or won't read labels/instructions. They deserve what they end up with.
As far as, carb vs efi, I agree that efi is much more efficient, however, if you're trying to keep it as original as possible, this system seems like a nice little way to avoid headaches if you're not overly familiar with how carbs work. Adjusting them can sometimes be menacing, even for us old timers.
I haven't wrenched in over 20 years, but love to watch the younger guys continue the journey.
@@Milner62 This thing is $400 where good TBI and MPFI systems cost a lot more.
@@Milner62 people who want this aren't the people who are going full out on LS swaps. It has a market and purpose.
@@16vSciroccoboi, people buying carbs are buying them as they know about carbs. People who knows nothing about carbs won't be buying a carb they will go with something like EFI either factory or aftermarket.
Thank u for the wisdom! Question, besides idle speed and making it leaner by bypassing air how do u make it richer? What’s different from just making a controlled vacuum leak?
I’ve played with that and it’s only good for about 200rpm which is great but less than 1 point afr
This is going to be much easier to deal with and muuuuch cheaper than a new EFI system. So cool.
I've been waiting, like so many people, for this product to drop. My order is in 👍
Not sure if it was shown somewhere already or what but I do wonder how much a difference in mileage the cheater makes.
As someone who had never worked on large carbs (only ever done lawnmower stuff) this is *really* cool. It looks like it would take some of the mystery out of tuning, if I ever own a car with a carburetor I'm definitely going to put this on it.
Growing up in the 60s and 70s my father drove a 64 Galaxie 500. We had a lot of memories in that car. My mom drove a 63 Galaxie in the late 70s into the 80s.
Oh man, Idle control too? You guys rock!
Congrats - I knew about this and watched this anyway. I don't have any use for it but I gave it some thought and figured at what price point this would be viable and you NAILED it. Exactly my guess, I hope you sell a mountain of these things... wait, could I run this on my lawn mower?
this sounds very cool. I looks like from what I've looked up they're for 4 BBLs initially. Hope you guys come out with something for 2BBL 2 stage Weber/Holley.
great work!