Carb Cheater is now publicly available! This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions! to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned! (Go to "store" on website to buy a kit) Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good. Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment. big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
Should cause 40 years ago was the 1980s and auto manufacturers were using feedback carburetors that had sensors to monitor and adjust the carburetor on the go. It just wasn't that big of a jump so it was dropped in favor of true EFI.
I dont think it's that brilliant, there's no money to be made in order to keep the price affordable so a big company won't do it. It's basically a public service at this price
Holley came out with an electronic AFR adjustment in the 1980s. It was called Dia-a-Jet and used a PWM mixture control solenoid like many OEM smog carbs. It was a slow seller because without a modern WB AFR guage it wasn't that useful.
I did a search, & a company called Thunder Products makes a device for power spots called Dial-a-Jet. It seems like doesn't use any elect feedback....... I'd like to read about that old Holley gizmo!
Carburetor retrofit Idle air solenoid actuated off of wideband O2 sensor. I like it. Saves a little fuel economy at idle and maintains ideal idle characteristics.
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
Greetings: Suggestion- Do not connect on the battery terminals. Since U have a FoMoCo, U have a convenient high current connection point. Use the supply side of the start relay and mount . Just a thought. Thx 4 the share . Bsafe.
Definitely should just go the battery, at least with the ground - the only issues we have are when people don't. If the ground connection is poor, the ignition will ground through the board to the wideband in the exhaust frying everything. It's why sniper efi and msd both say to go to the battery
Probably a small target demographic but there seems to be no competition with a similar product out there yet. I hope you filed any possibly new patents and wish you much success!
I like it when the blow through carb turbo people work with the fuel system to achieve enrichment under boost and still keep part throttle AFR where it needs to be. Carburetor Systems Unlimited are really good for boost sensitive fuel delivery.
Hey Luke..is that a 65 galaxie fastback...one of the finest galaxies of them..i own one myself..my first car was a 65 galaxie..so i bought another..wish i would have a carb cheater back in the day..see you one the next one sooner i hope..Cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
3/8npt is close enough to M14 that pipe fittings can be re-tapped to allow oxygen sensors to bolt in… I have a street elbow in the O2 bung hole, then the O2 sensor in the elbow, on my daily driver. (I did that for the post-cat sensor & my check engine light turned off… That should be useful info for putting an O2 sensor on a car that doesn't have one.
Thank you brother for all your help Now that you've Concord the carburetor When can we expect your next unraveling Maybe the automatic transmission Please 😊😁😁😁😁😁👍✌🇨🇦 Hope you have a fantastic day brother God bless Just saying
Just out of curiosity as I plan to just put it on a stock v8, but am curious how much horsepower do you think it would be able to efficiently tune? I understand there's not a lot of moving parts, but I have to assume the computer can only work so fast. BTW think its great what you are doing. Found a great gap in the market place to fill while helping people out.
@@jeremyadkins8025, there is no HP limit on a system like this that falls to your carburetor. This is no different than how feedback carbs of the 1980s worked. Had sensors that monitored the engine and an IAC that would open and close creating a controlled vacuum leak to allow more or less air into the engine effectively adjusting AFR and idle speed.
I get its only following the carb so the carb would handle majority of the load and carb cheater is just adjusting. I just assumed it could only adjust so fast under high rpm's with high HP
Just an idea for marketing, but Matt from demolition ranch has just restored a Camaro with a carb, and I would say something like this would be absolutely up his street. I’d say he’d probably buy this even at full price to keep his car easy to drive, and it would really market this to a lot of people
2/3 lit 🔥 and watching thunderhead I can approve! (Don’t judge my certificates) I will definitely invest in one I have a tendency to look into car pre fuel injected. (When the wife doesn’t know)
I love this product. Question I have will it work in a HP Street application? I have a Big block Chevy 402 CI engine with 11:1 compression high lift low vac producing cam. When I run a Holley 750 I have to run a 3.5 power valve. I'm currently running a Edelbrock 750 in which I virtually have no change in rpm when adjusting the idle air screws and I have no vacuum leaks anywhere. I have a bog when full throttle accelerating from about 2k rpm momentarily. Besides adjusting A/F ratio would this product help solve the bog issue. Congrats on a great innovative idea
I'm interested to see if this works better than old 80's and 90's early efi applications. When I slap a new 350 in the ole 2500 I think I'm gonna ditch the TBI and try this instead. Makes the intake and heads easier to get too
Gm had a great idea with feedback carbs but the tech of that day just wasn't there to really do it - just think of what a personal computer was like in the early 80s. Heck widebands didn't even exist till 95, the modern style not even till the late 00s really
I have a question for you.? Could you put this on a stock car?? Cause I don’t think it’s going against any rules. You still have the same carb. It’s just going to keep you at good turns. Right or wrong? So how do I get this? How much? Does it work with a cam?
No idea what it would look like racing - numerous features would be handy for racing like the datalog alone. Can buy one at thecarbcheater.com Could let us know how it goes - wasn't the original intended purpose, but it's worked out to be fairly versatile
Is there a reason you wouldn’t want to tap the map sensor straight to the intake? I don’t have much experience with carb engines, younger guy here, just recently started looking into stuff because I’ve got a 77 camaro project and (I think) a 406 to go along with it. This product seems great for helpin someone like me tune the engine. (Have a holley efi system on a twin turbo street truck so I’m familiar with the wiring at least)
Can you store and download to pc the overlayed graphs of Afr /vacuum /rpm / road speed . I have looked into this and the only other method would be stand alone data recorder with the option of a dash display. Well done U may well receive an order from me.
Hi Luke I'm Richard in new Zealand do you do fuel injection cars I have 4cyl injection but can't find a way to get better fuel economy any clues done everything timing is factory 6degress it is a 96 Mazda pickup
Really glad you made your project into a reality, being an engineer paid off eh? Also get the Carb Cheater patented, Would hate it if someone stole all your well earned glory, or thunder. (No pun intended) Wouldn't be surprised if you got offers or sponsorships relating to the Carb Cheater, this kit will definitely tune in with the people that don't like to fully embrace the Carburetor as it is & tinker and tune on a weekly basis without some form of "Instruction" or information, Off the path here but either way, if you don't like embracing the concept of a carburetor, i'd say your in the wrong hobby. Anywho, good deal.
I'm really tempted to buy one of these for my 64 galaxie. The issue with that car is the under-hood heat buildup and the AFR goes rich on hot days with extended idling. How well will the carb cheater help with situations like this? for example, if I set the idle AFR at 13:1 once the engine is fully warm and I sit there idling in gear on a hot day after a while it'll be at 10-11:1 and idling poorly because of the heat buildup under the hood. Once I get going for about a mile and everything cools back off idle AFR returns to normal and of course driving on cold days in the winter/fall it will be leaner. I know its not the carb or a carb insulating issue as I have a good heat spacer setup under the carb and have had a couple different carbs on it with the same issues on hot ays.
You must already have a wideband - that type of stuff is indeed what I made Carb Cheater to do. We are currently sold out though until early April. Most people are like "you set it and forget it" anyone with a wideband (like you or myself) knows it moves around based on conditions. Static metering device, dynamic environment
@@ThunderHead289 Yeah, I have an AEM wideband in all of my carbureted vehicles. How well does this work with engines with huge camshafts? I have a 445 FE stroker with a comp cams 294S that makes 6-8" vacuum at idle and am interested in maybe putting one in that car as well.
I liked the idea, until the app. Basically an idle air control motor that allows you add air to the fuel mixture under the carb making this a simple TBI style set up has it place. But having to have a specific phone tied to the vehicle or having to have a second device for another vehicle is what turns me off. What if I have multiple vehicles that I am having driven in a group (I own 6 and we still do cruise in's in our small town) using this product. That means that each person driving my other vehicles (say my wife in my second vehicle and so on) would also have to have this app downloaded on a device to run that vehicle. What happens if I do not take my phone with me? Which I often do. I also do not use my phones GPS. I have all those permissions turned off. I live way out in the country and half the time the GPS and cell reception doesn't work any way so we do not rely on our phones. Of course I feel this could be a better product if it came with a mini dash controller like the Holley or other set ups. Even the cheap "power programmer/ speedo healers" come with a small hand held screen. I understand this would up the price of the product. You are already asking $383 for this set up. Say someone was going to upgrade their project vehicle with a new intake (est $400) and carb (est $400) and then add your product, the total cost is not much less than going to a TBI style fuel injection set up which is self tuning as well. The major difference is that you need to have a well tuned carburetor first for your system to work properly. Don't get me wrong, I love watching your videos and I play them when I can and I would love to try this out on my old F100 that I just inherited with a 352 that is going under the knife getting a factory 4 barrel intake, cam, HEI style distributor and a Street Demon carb. Just do not want somethin that is tied to my phone or other device that I have to keep with the vehicle when it is driven.
Think about a pcv valve how it's a metered "vacuum leak" in a way. Carb cheater is the same deal in a simple sense, just a complex control circuit and program that automatically proportionally adjusts based on a comparison of actual afr and target afr. There's actually a weird scientific phenomenon that happened with this valve that I'll get into in a video in the near future - ironically i accidentally discovered this relationship by accident the effects of which not being my initial intent.
So there is a clifford performance intake manifold that uses 2 two barrel carbs. Any chance this could work for that? Or is it strictly 4 barrel carbs for now?
I did create it, I programmed and designed the process flow and r&d on the components and circuitry while another guy I work with made it mass producable (machined parts and so on)
Hah, good to see the ol f100 head bump at 27:46. I do have at least one question regarding this setup vs the beta setup, I'm assuming the extra wires you excluded are for the limiter control? If so I'd love to find out if that can be easily added back on the normal versions. Either way, I'll be placing my order and cant wait to throw it on my own f100! Gonna really put the system to the test here in the Rockies. Great job Luke! EDIT: I rewatched just incase and you mentioned choke circuit/etc, still would love an answer!
I'm not sure what you mean with the choke circuit but the on board relay could definitely be used for choke power. Also it has no ill effects on choke from everything I tested this winter. But that's only two vehicles Also
my edelbrock carb has a spreadbore design so that spacer would not work,i found out the hard way as i had a 4 hole spacer like that and tossed it on not even looking at the bottom of my carb 1st and after not getting the secondaries to open i found out they was hitting the spacer, so what would i do in that case? run my spreadbore adapter on top of this adapter? that may be a bit hard with already having my air cleaner nearly touching my hood.
Easy, that's what the maverick has. Yellow wire to BAT, spliced to existing lead, and green wire to TACH (if already a wire on tach, land ours and splice original tach to ours. Easy Easy
Does this work on a holley demon 625? Also i was going to put this on my ls and those coils are controlled by an msd box. How do you think i could wire that up?
So I will be ordering this for my Chevy G10 250 cu van, but Im now thinking if this would work on my twin Weber air cooled VW Beetle? I already have sandwich plates with nipples for the MAP sensored digital ignition on it, but the nipples are smaller. Not sure what if any issues there could be with CC in a multiple carb system. The compact data display alone is making this very appealing. So no shipping to Canada at the moment?
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!
Carb Cheater is now publicly available!
This video is posted for those who own, or have ordered a Carb Cheater kit, and like me, you dont like reading instructions!
to learn more about carb cheater, go to thecarbcheater.com or stay tuned!
(Go to "store" on website to buy a kit)
Currently no ios app, a cheap 50 dollar amazon tablet works just as good.
Tailored to V8 or big 6's at the moment.
big thanks to all the Beta Testers who participated and helped Joe & I bring carb cheater to the public :)
Who reads instructions?!?!?!
@@estonianperson1112I can't even read
@@ThunderHead289 Looks like we're about even then. I'm allergic to reading instructions!
Good thing you are a programmer.
Do you make a kit that will work on a carter bbd
Ive said it before, i really hope your patents and stuff are in line because all the big dogs in the industry are going to absolutely HATE this. Love what youre doing bud keep it up. Truly genius
Patents are useless when someone in China picks this up. You basically have to tell all your products secrets in a patent and the guy in China doesn't give a damn about stealing your intellectual property.
Patents actually make stuff easier to steel. Since they could just change one thing and call it something else. If they don't have one the big companies would basically half to start from scratch. Also they would never steel it anyway since they pretty much want everyone to go efi.
Not to slag on Edelbrock and Holley but their products are about 10 years behind. So even though they do have EFI solutions they are not sophisticated. And this carb cheater isn't really something they'd be interested in anyways as the EFI systems force you to upgrade everything and are much more profitable. And this market is really small, so the risk of a knock off is fairly low but our Chinese friends can paper-engineer anything, so if they wanted to do it they could. Buy USA (or Australia, Canada, UK).
lmao. a pwm controlled vacuum leak beneath a carb jetted too rich IS NOT going to put any OEM on its ear. lmao.
@@DieselRamcharger i mean i agree, but i still think its awesome to have an affordable way to stay carbed and be able to deal with the subtle changes in environment like barometric pressure, altitude, temperature, heat soak etc. Market is smaller but if i was going to do something like power tour, this would definitely be my option over a 2 or 3k dollar tbi system lol
Getting ready to place my order- it’s an honor to be able to pay you back in a small way for all the knowledge you’ve given so many people. I can’t wait to install it on my daily Fairmont (302/T5 with a Summit M2008VS) that lives in the mountains and sees a 1,000 foot change in elevation with just my work commute! I’m sure I’ll be buying one for my Galaxie in the near future as well.
We both thank you very much and I hope cc serves you as well as it has served me 🙂
I've been watching you and Kevin for quite a while. I really appreciate your videos and all the tech tips. I hope you make big piles of money from this, and I wish you and Joe all the best.
"it is just a static metering device in a dynamic environment" Now all I can think about is Mongo is just a pawn in the game of life. Your product looks really interesting, I am glad you are sticking with this idea.
You did it man!!!! I've been watching your videos for a lot of years and have always liked how you explained to people how engines tie and work. I have been around engines my whole life and am shocked at how well you explain things and also even back in the day just showing how a vacuum gauge helps tune and mpg. This is so cool to me that you have pu all this together. Technology has came along to the point of you capitalizing on it and making this work!!! Very cool man, very proud of what you have created!!!!
You forgot to mention one other permutation on the carb studs. Sometimes they are JB welded in the stripped out aluminum manifold. Very interesting setup and another great video.
Suggestion for improvement: For the mid-plate, smoothen, bevel, trumpet or cone the holes on your 3D-model. This way you'll have solid indication which side of the plate needs to face down, and overall better flow and performance on your kit. For the already existing plates, you can mill the underside to resemble a cloverleaf pattern, just round the outside edges, if the middle seems too thin to round off. 5-10 hp more on top of the fuel savings is worth it. Just don't call it "the cloverleaf" to avoid any legal actions.
"double bubble butt bevel" I think could work 😉
Installing ours this weekend so we can play with it next week! Looking forward to trying this little bit of dark wizardry out!
It's treated me well, hope it does the same for you - almost have the majority of the content on it I want out there. Definitely not on the front end of it now 😅
Id love a break down of how this works. Because this looks like a really cool system.
Modern EFI regulates fuel delivery among other parameters to achieve a consistent and optimal operation curve. Carburetors have a static fuel curve. This device uses a wide band air fuel sensor as feedback with a idle speed regulator to control manifold vacuum, introducing more or less bypass air to achieve optimal operation.
Just installed a 4-hole spacer under my Holley, and now i have to change the gasket under it from a 4 hole to an open one. You always learn something from uncle Lukes videos.
Better than sucking a peoce of gasket into a valve and bending it potentially 🙂
Thanks Luke! Looking forward to diving deeper into the app. The system worked great right out of the box for me but now I need to PLAY with it. 👍
I'm glad Luke decided to make this for purchase. I am not a fan of carburetors but definitely understand their is a need. Good luck.
After seeing him work on the prototype build, I thought it be really fun to make a rudimentary version. Obviously just amping the O2 sensor output into the valve soleniod isn't going to work, but it'd be interesting to see what that does and start from there, maybe then try adding, subtracting or compounding the O2 output with the MAP sensor output... Kind of like a CDI doesn't need to be perfect, it just generally needs to increase the timing with RPM. Some carbs may not need much correction, just to lean out at higher rpm or something
Absolutely love the tech tips, helps with keeping the old iron running good and easier to maintain
Wow! What a cool invention and a nice kit. It pleases me to no end to see an honest working guys come out on top for a change and hope you sell a million kits.
Very interesting alternative to just jetting the carb correctly
Drive a carbed car in the morning and then home from work. Your afr will be different - strikingly.
He's got a blown power valve on his Holley. It's running full rich on him and he doesn't know it.
Keep up the great work man. I've been in this business 30 years I'm quite impressed and that says a lot. Follow your dreams
Me being old and was alive and rode around in the late 60's cars growing up, would have never believed you if you told me this 30 or 40 years ago.
Should cause 40 years ago was the 1980s and auto manufacturers were using feedback carburetors that had sensors to monitor and adjust the carburetor on the go.
It just wasn't that big of a jump so it was dropped in favor of true EFI.
This is sick! The wave of the future for carbed engines..................👍
Holley has all these engineers and still haven't come close to something this brilliant.
I dont think it's that brilliant, there's no money to be made in order to keep the price affordable so a big company won't do it. It's basically a public service at this price
Holley came out with an electronic AFR adjustment in the 1980s. It was called Dia-a-Jet and used a PWM mixture control solenoid like many OEM smog carbs. It was a slow seller because without a modern WB AFR guage it wasn't that useful.
I did a search, & a company called Thunder Products makes a device for power spots called Dial-a-Jet. It seems like doesn't use any elect feedback....... I'd like to read about that old Holley gizmo!
I remember the Dial a Jet. Never saw one in action personally but the magazine write ups were always positive.
Carburetor retrofit Idle air solenoid actuated off of wideband O2 sensor. I like it. Saves a little fuel economy at idle and maintains ideal idle characteristics.
It also does quite a bit at cruising, especially low speed- which when I made it I didn't think would work out that way.
I truly love your channel, inhave learnt so much from you. The way you explain things, making something potentially complicated simple and easy ro understand is an art. What you have done here with carb Cheater is amazing and fantastic, I want one. I will be e mailing you as your shipping doesn't include Canada. So I am hoping we can sort something out so I can get one as well. I live in Alberta not far from the mountains, and I own and operate a small landscaping business using a square body chevy truck as my daily work truck ( 1980 K20 ) I got the tune as good as i can as I got an afr a few years back after watching your vids about them. I maintain a good 14.7 however living where i do those temp changes amongst preasure changes mess with the tune all year long. I also plow snow with this truck, so Temps change 10 to 20 degrees over the day to night especially where I live when we get a Chinook. Anyway I had thought about getting efi but the guy said if i am diled in with myncarb as i am efi won't do much better. So seeing what you have made here will look after those changing variables that I deal with over the course of my day. Looking forward ro your response and thanks you for all the time and energy you have put into your channel and development of carb cheater.
This coupled with your buddies customisable distributor will lead to some sweet running vehicles
Holy cow, as an engineer this is impressive! I've got a 302 powered boat that could use this right now!
Would probably do well if you could find a place to plumb an o2 sensor!
This has made my year, been keeping my eye on it and am super excited, wish my brain was as big as yours, will be ordering soon
What you didn’t mention luke is the adjustment screws on the carb… do I just leave them the way they come out of the box from the new carb?
Greetings: Suggestion- Do not connect on the battery terminals. Since U have a FoMoCo, U have a convenient high current connection point. Use the supply side of the start relay and mount . Just a thought. Thx 4 the share . Bsafe.
Definitely should just go the battery, at least with the ground - the only issues we have are when people don't.
If the ground connection is poor, the ignition will ground through the board to the wideband in the exhaust frying everything.
It's why sniper efi and msd both say to go to the battery
Now I have to buy an old Jeep so I have something to put it on. AWESOME IDEA!!! LOVE IT!!!
I knew you were gonna do great things when I seen the technology you designed in that mower carb video.
Probably a small target demographic but there seems to be no competition with a similar product out there yet. I hope you filed any possibly new patents and wish you much success!
Excellent product demo video! You are an excellent technical salesman!
Congrats Luke, what a great idea
Just purchased the kit. Get here already!
I get one for my 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix LE 396 sbc stroker with Edelbrock VRS 750 CFM carburetor.
I like it when the blow through carb turbo people work with the fuel system to achieve enrichment under boost and still keep part throttle AFR where it needs to be. Carburetor Systems Unlimited are really good for boost sensitive fuel delivery.
I always toss a penny in my Intake when the carbs off, like a gearhead wishing well. 🤠
Love the tech tips. Never mad to get more. Thanks, Luke!
Hey Luke..is that a 65 galaxie fastback...one of the finest galaxies of them..i own one myself..my first car was a 65 galaxie..so i bought another..wish i would have a carb cheater back in the day..see you one the next one sooner i hope..Cheers 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Amazing project! Good luck selling this. Very exciting!
3/8npt is close enough to M14 that pipe fittings can be re-tapped to allow oxygen sensors to bolt in…
I have a street elbow in the O2 bung hole, then the O2 sensor in the elbow, on my daily driver. (I did that for the post-cat sensor & my check engine light turned off…
That should be useful info for putting an O2 sensor on a car that doesn't have one.
Would a spark plug anti fouler work the same way, & drill it out larger? Then screw it into the exhaust pipe ?
@@chrispompano yeah, it works, that's what a "street elbow" is. NPT, pipe thread, an elbow with male one one end & female on the other.
*instead of drilling the defouler, I cut the protective grating off the sensor.
Thank you brother for all your help
Now that you've Concord the carburetor
When can we expect your next unraveling
Maybe the automatic transmission
Please 😊😁😁😁😁😁👍✌🇨🇦
Hope you have a fantastic day brother
God bless
Just saying
This is a really cool product.
I cannot wait for more videos with this product!! Falcon next?
Just ordered one. Can't wait to check it out
It's a ton of fun I think - I don't have enough time these days to play 20 question guess and check with a carb
Just out of curiosity as I plan to just put it on a stock v8, but am curious how much horsepower do you think it would be able to efficiently tune? I understand there's not a lot of moving parts, but I have to assume the computer can only work so fast. BTW think its great what you are doing. Found a great gap in the market place to fill while helping people out.
@@jeremyadkins8025, there is no HP limit on a system like this that falls to your carburetor.
This is no different than how feedback carbs of the 1980s worked. Had sensors that monitored the engine and an IAC that would open and close creating a controlled vacuum leak to allow more or less air into the engine effectively adjusting AFR and idle speed.
I get its only following the carb so the carb would handle majority of the load and carb cheater is just adjusting. I just assumed it could only adjust so fast under high rpm's with high HP
We're are they sold?
Just an idea for marketing, but Matt from demolition ranch has just restored a Camaro with a carb, and I would say something like this would be absolutely up his street. I’d say he’d probably buy this even at full price to keep his car easy to drive, and it would really market this to a lot of people
We have so many orders 😅 we never thought people would be this interested, was just a fun project originally
Nice piece of work Luke.
Absolute genius.👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
I've never seen a strap on bung hole before (for an O2 sensor)
Quick question once you set and forget how is it with cold start and multi-season?...running 1970 383 2 bbl holley... Dodge.
Please make a spacer for 2 barrel weber 32/36 with vacc tube
2/3 lit 🔥 and watching thunderhead I can approve! (Don’t judge my certificates) I will definitely invest in one I have a tendency to look into car pre fuel injected. (When the wife doesn’t know)
I would have stayed with a carb if this had been out a few years ago! Work good with E85 carbs?
Wouldn’t be surprised if you get bought out! Pretty fast!
This is amazing!
I love this product. Question I have will it work in a HP Street application? I have a Big block Chevy 402 CI engine with 11:1 compression high lift low vac producing cam. When I run a Holley 750 I have to run a 3.5 power valve. I'm currently running a Edelbrock 750 in which I virtually have no change in rpm when adjusting the idle air screws and I have no vacuum leaks anywhere. I have a bog when full throttle accelerating from about 2k rpm momentarily. Besides adjusting A/F ratio would this product help solve the bog issue. Congrats on a great innovative idea
You say v8 and big 6’s. But do you think this could be adapted to a stroker vw bug flat 4cyl with twin dual carbs?
Cool deal. How does this work with HEI distributors?
Are they currently available to order? The website says something about pre-order and a 2-3 month delivery time, is that right?
Everyone blew us out of our stock so we have parts on order and being manufactured currently, probably be quicker than that honestly.
I'm interested to see if this works better than old 80's and 90's early efi applications. When I slap a new 350 in the ole 2500 I think I'm gonna ditch the TBI and try this instead. Makes the intake and heads easier to get too
Gm had a great idea with feedback carbs but the tech of that day just wasn't there to really do it - just think of what a personal computer was like in the early 80s. Heck widebands didn't even exist till 95, the modern style not even till the late 00s really
What kind of mpg improvements are we talking?
This would be nice for my wife’s mustang. Single barrel…
That way I’d know what needs adjusting so I can tune the carb correctly 😂
I'm going to buy the kit but, man, I'd really like to see it open sourced so I can extend it.
Have you tried this system with a larger cam engine?
I have a question for you.? Could you put this on a stock car?? Cause I don’t think it’s going against any rules. You still have the same carb. It’s just going to keep you at good turns. Right or wrong? So how do I get this? How much? Does it work with a cam?
No idea what it would look like racing - numerous features would be handy for racing like the datalog alone.
Can buy one at thecarbcheater.com
Could let us know how it goes - wasn't the original intended purpose, but it's worked out to be fairly versatile
good explaination
This sounds interesting but I'm curious how it works. Is it a vacuum control? Would you have any product soon for dual quads?
Is there a reason you wouldn’t want to tap the map sensor straight to the intake? I don’t have much experience with carb engines, younger guy here, just recently started looking into stuff because I’ve got a 77 camaro project and (I think) a 406 to go along with it. This product seems great for helpin someone like me tune the engine. (Have a holley efi system on a twin turbo street truck so I’m familiar with the wiring at least)
Can you store and download to pc the overlayed graphs of Afr /vacuum /rpm / road speed . I have looked into this and the only other method would be stand alone data recorder with the option of a dash display. Well done U may well receive an order from me.
Hi Luke I'm Richard in new Zealand do you do fuel injection cars I have 4cyl injection but can't find a way to get better fuel economy any clues done everything timing is factory 6degress it is a 96 Mazda pickup
Speaking of money’s worth, how much longer before I get mine?
Really glad you made your project into a reality, being an engineer paid off eh?
Also get the Carb Cheater patented, Would hate it if someone stole all your well earned glory, or thunder. (No pun intended)
Wouldn't be surprised if you got offers or sponsorships relating to the Carb Cheater, this kit will definitely tune in with the people that don't like to fully embrace the Carburetor as it is & tinker and tune on a weekly basis without some form of "Instruction" or information, Off the path here but either way, if you don't like embracing the concept of a carburetor, i'd say your in the wrong hobby.
Anywho, good deal.
I'm really tempted to buy one of these for my 64 galaxie. The issue with that car is the under-hood heat buildup and the AFR goes rich on hot days with extended idling. How well will the carb cheater help with situations like this? for example, if I set the idle AFR at 13:1 once the engine is fully warm and I sit there idling in gear on a hot day after a while it'll be at 10-11:1 and idling poorly because of the heat buildup under the hood. Once I get going for about a mile and everything cools back off idle AFR returns to normal and of course driving on cold days in the winter/fall it will be leaner. I know its not the carb or a carb insulating issue as I have a good heat spacer setup under the carb and have had a couple different carbs on it with the same issues on hot ays.
You must already have a wideband - that type of stuff is indeed what I made Carb Cheater to do. We are currently sold out though until early April.
Most people are like "you set it and forget it" anyone with a wideband (like you or myself) knows it moves around based on conditions.
Static metering device, dynamic environment
@@ThunderHead289 Yeah, I have an AEM wideband in all of my carbureted vehicles. How well does this work with engines with huge camshafts? I have a 445 FE stroker with a comp cams 294S that makes 6-8" vacuum at idle and am interested in maybe putting one in that car as well.
I think that this is awesome.
Great stuff
I liked the idea, until the app. Basically an idle air control motor that allows you add air to the fuel mixture under the carb making this a simple TBI style set up has it place. But having to have a specific phone tied to the vehicle or having to have a second device for another vehicle is what turns me off. What if I have multiple vehicles that I am having driven in a group (I own 6 and we still do cruise in's in our small town) using this product. That means that each person driving my other vehicles (say my wife in my second vehicle and so on) would also have to have this app downloaded on a device to run that vehicle. What happens if I do not take my phone with me? Which I often do. I also do not use my phones GPS. I have all those permissions turned off. I live way out in the country and half the time the GPS and cell reception doesn't work any way so we do not rely on our phones. Of course I feel this could be a better product if it came with a mini dash controller like the Holley or other set ups. Even the cheap "power programmer/ speedo healers" come with a small hand held screen. I understand this would up the price of the product. You are already asking $383 for this set up. Say someone was going to upgrade their project vehicle with a new intake (est $400) and carb (est $400) and then add your product, the total cost is not much less than going to a TBI style fuel injection set up which is self tuning as well. The major difference is that you need to have a well tuned carburetor first for your system to work properly. Don't get me wrong, I love watching your videos and I play them when I can and I would love to try this out on my old F100 that I just inherited with a 352 that is going under the knife getting a factory 4 barrel intake, cam, HEI style distributor and a Street Demon carb. Just do not want somethin that is tied to my phone or other device that I have to keep with the vehicle when it is driven.
Will this work on 272 56 Ford truck
don't forget ac input
How does this actually adjust the carb settings without having anything installed inside the carburetor? Am I missing something?
Think about a pcv valve how it's a metered "vacuum leak" in a way.
Carb cheater is the same deal in a simple sense, just a complex control circuit and program that automatically proportionally adjusts based on a comparison of actual afr and target afr. There's actually a weird scientific phenomenon that happened with this valve that I'll get into in a video in the near future - ironically i accidentally discovered this relationship by accident the effects of which not being my initial intent.
Very Interesting
So there is a clifford performance intake manifold that uses 2 two barrel carbs. Any chance this could work for that? Or is it strictly 4 barrel carbs for now?
We had enough requests for two barrels that were making the standard autolite/holley 2 barrel as well as spread bore
nice system. did you create it? if you did i have diagrams and EZ EFI teck we should develop
I did create it, I programmed and designed the process flow and r&d on the components and circuitry while another guy I work with made it mass producable (machined parts and so on)
Hah, good to see the ol f100 head bump at 27:46. I do have at least one question regarding this setup vs the beta setup, I'm assuming the extra wires you excluded are for the limiter control? If so I'd love to find out if that can be easily added back on the normal versions. Either way, I'll be placing my order and cant wait to throw it on my own f100! Gonna really put the system to the test here in the Rockies. Great job Luke!
EDIT: I rewatched just incase and you mentioned choke circuit/etc, still would love an answer!
I'm not sure what you mean with the choke circuit but the on board relay could definitely be used for choke power.
Also it has no ill effects on choke from everything I tested this winter. But that's only two vehicles Also
This is AWESOME!!! 🇺🇸💪🏼
my edelbrock carb has a spreadbore design so that spacer would not work,i found out the hard way as i had a 4 hole spacer like that and tossed it on not even looking at the bottom of my carb 1st and after not getting the secondaries to open i found out they was hitting the spacer, so what would i do in that case? run my spreadbore adapter on top of this adapter? that may be a bit hard with already having my air cleaner nearly touching my hood.
We're working on a spread bore adapter - we didn't realize how many people would be interested in this deal 😅
That’s dope!
Unfortunately no shipping to europa.Shipping not available
We do, you have to email us though.
How do the coil wires connect if I'm just using an hei distributor?
Yellow to BAT green to TACH. Real easy 👍
@ThunderHead289 awesome! Thank you. Sorry I'm an idiot. Still learning
Hey Luke,Can the Carb Cheater be used with HEI Ign. (in cap coil)?
Easy, that's what the maverick has. Yellow wire to BAT, spliced to existing lead, and green wire to TACH (if already a wire on tach, land ours and splice original tach to ours. Easy Easy
Really Nice!
Would this work with an MSD box ? I want to use one an a carbureted LS motor i have
You would use the tach wire and ignition 12v instead of plugging into the coil right?
What's the intro song 😁
Very informative great tipa
Does this work on a holley demon 625? Also i was going to put this on my ls and those coils are controlled by an msd box. How do you think i could wire that up?
I have no portable spyware device...
Will this not work for me then?
Points and condenser is okay with that device right? Asking for a 65 Galaxie 352 😊
Yes absolutely 👍
@@ThunderHead289 okay uncle Luke. I'll put my order in
Now we need a fuel injection cheater. well don't hate some of my cars are carb some are injected. LOL great vid
So I will be ordering this for my Chevy G10 250 cu van, but Im now thinking if this would work on my twin Weber air cooled VW Beetle?
I already have sandwich plates with nipples for the MAP sensored digital ignition on it, but the nipples are smaller. Not sure what if any issues there could be with CC in a multiple carb system.
The compact data display alone is making this very appealing.
So no shipping to Canada at the moment?
Thank you so much Luke for all you've taught the carburetor community, you sir are a true national treasure and a genius!
No genius - just a guy who can beat his head against a wall a lot and a good support team in Joe ternus behind me on this project 👍
Hey Luke, just wanted to thank you so much for the continous resource and guide you've been on carbureation over all these years. I really hope carb Cheater as a brand is a big break for you and your team/family. You've given so much over the years, and it would make me super happy to see this product take off stratospherically in the car community for your sake. Keep on doing amazing things brother!
I just hope it helps people to stop bad mouthing carbs when we're in a sea of aftermarket injection failures - it's put a negative spin on old cars for the next generation I've seen and that's been sad to watch. Hoping to poke some holes in that mentality 🙂
@@ThunderHead289 Amen to that! As you say, Carbs are a fixed metering device, (I add: pressure differential fuel mover) in a dynamic (variable) world! Your Carb Cheater adds instantaneous & continuous adjustments far faster than anyone could adjust the carb while living under the hood while someone else drove! It's pure genius Luke & Joe!