It was an interesting addition, could be used to help bring out potential historical perspectives. With a bit of polishing, like the obvious modern *end recording sounds*, I could see myself enjoying it.
It is a good idea, but the execution is not quite there yet. Try modifying the audio to feel like an old radio transmission, and yes it was a bit louder than necessary.
@@MikhailTukachevsky he is not wrong, the city used to be populated by mainly germans and hungarians up until ww1 when the city was given to the slovaks even tho they barely lived there
@@finitatem those lands were Czech for long time, they had higher German population only because Austrians were pushing out other cultures also, minorities in Czechoslovakia had great treatment, one of best in the world
@@asasas9146 The Treaty of Versailles was in itself amoral with one main goal, to punish Germany so it could never recover enough economically to threaten Europe. This was due to a thing that's often ignored when people present WWI, namely that the Germans as a population were stoked to show the rest of Europe their superiority. it's always that Germany only found itself in WWI due to diplomatic circumstances, which is incorrect. The Treaty itself eventually gave room for Hitler to seize power and become the beloved dictator that many Germans saw him as, until the full extent of the KZ-camps was revealed that is. Meynard Keynes protested the Treaty of Versailles as he believed that it would lead to the circumstances that it did. The treaty after WWII was a lot more lenient than the Treaty of Versailles as the Allied powers this time took Keynes' criticism to heart.
Do you mean if November Revolution ended up by communists taking power.. If so, it's quite not an option, because communist uprisings in Germany were highly inspired by s *success* of October Revolution in Russia.
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 in the early stages of the success of the Bolsheviks taking power, there was a lot of uncertainty about how long it would last. It is possible it could’ve fell whether it be to forces inside the Union or due to outside forces meddling
I think Japan would have attacked the USSR. With their allies diverting Russia's attention, they could easily take large swathes of resource rich territory. I don't know if it was known to be resource rich at the time, but I still think they would do it.
@@BasicallyBaconSandvichIVthe question is in the allies would try in coordinated fashion to cut the Japanese off from oil when the allies and Japanese are somewhat on the same side of the war against the Soviets thanks to the Winter War. The sanctions from the USA came after Japan occupied Indochina, which would not happen in this alternate timeline.
@@J7Handle Exactly, probably why it is in my unprofessional opinion that they would probably attack the USSR. They stay in good standing with both the allies (at least for a little while more) and the germans.
Might I entreat you to envision a scenario, purely speculative in nature, wherein every conceivable variable aligns harmoniously and favorably for the venerable nation of Norway? Picture, if you will, a narrative unfolding wherein every pursuit, every endeavor, manifests with a perfection so sublime that it ushers forth an unparalleled era of prosperity and serenity for the Norwegian realm. (Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
@@inyourwalls-q6p I would say either in 1066 during the Norwegian invasion of England, or after the Napoleonic wars letting Norway keep their overseas territories. Maybe Sweden would give away historical Norwegian lands to make Norway willingly join their union?
@floor737 after Napoleon? I think avoid8ng the famine during would be it - a stronger Norway that got the food it needed could be c9nsidered too big a prize for Sweden and instead given independence with a British prince to keep them firmly in British sphere of influence.
@@dougfowler1368 True, avoiding the famine would be ideal. But I tihnk placing a British prince would come with some downsides such as internal resistance to yet another foreign monarch, making the people question if independence had really been achieved. The British couldn't let Norway fall into an enemies sphere of influence because of the importance of their location (especially if they get to keep their overseas territories), but a disloyal Norway might be hard to hold onto for long.
This video is extremely unrealistic for several reasons: 1) If Britain didn't guarantee to intervene militarily against Germany, POLAND AND GERMANY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO WAR. Poland would cede Danzig, and the Germans might have used the opportunity to seize parts of the Polish Corridor. However, the Germans would be careful to not instigate a larger conflict with Poland. So, there would be no Soviet invasion of Poland, no Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and no occupation of Poland at large. 2) Germany wanted Poland as a buffer state and potential ally against communism, which both the Germans and Poles viewed as a Jewish power. After Poland ceded Danzig, Germany would attempt to bring Poland into their alliance. 3) The Western Allies did not care about Finland to the extent that the civilian populations of America, France and Britain did. Churchill would not have given much aid to Finland, and even if they did, no amount of aid would have led to a Finnish victory. Finland was too far away, while it was also right on the Russian border. 4) There was most likely going to be a war with the USSR, so this part is correct. However, given that there was no western support in this timeline, a political collapse of the USSR is much more likely, rather than a military collapse. 5) This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse. For a historical example, the USSR was nearly destroyed by WW2, had lost tens of millions of people, and was a multi-ethnic empire. Despite this, it took 5 decades of western sanction, proxy conflicts, and propaganda for the USSR to collapse. Germany would have none of these problems. It would be a homogenous German nation, it would have lost only a few million people with the civilian population mostly unaffected, would have plenty of access to food, and would have an extremely popular and efficient government.
"This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse." Yes, these alternate history channels always have to shovel this rubbish in lol. For political reasons they can't possibly say that actually the standard of living would be very high and everything would be great, just as it was for post war America IOTL. If Commie Russia didn't collapse, then Germany certainly wasn't going to either.
It all depends on the succession system. Having all the recourses of the world means squat if Hitler dies and there is no clear successor, and even if there was, how would they stop civil war?
@@orrorsaness5942 There would be no civil war because the factors that create civil war would not exist. This idea that Germany would be politically unstable if they won the war is absurd, and something that 100% comes from movies and video games. Germany would be no more likely to fall to civil war than the USA would have been. The USSR never fell to civil war after WW2, despite far worse circumstances.
Something I want to note, I think you massively overestimate how efficient the Nazi government was, there was a lot of political infighting and other bureaucratic inefficiencies throughout their system. Further more Nazi ideology would inevitably create constant resistance across their empire as they were ideologically driven to systemically murder non-German populations they subjugated, basically everywhere east of their original borders they're occupying they'd be dealing with partisan guerrillas pretty much as long as any non-German inhabitants are alive, the amount of people they'd have to murder to stabilise their holdings would be a cartoonish number that'd be right at home in a MasterofRoflness video. Basically the Nazis actually winning the peace would a whole mess simply because of fundamental flaws in their ideology.
1- the video is about a timeline where both the garantee and the M-R pact happened but the west just simply didnt declared war after germany and the soviets did so. the soviets get scammed. 2- you might be right, i dont know much, but again, first point. however even in the case where germany "allies" poland, they would turn it into a protectorade simply because they are bigger and stronger, and poland is on their way. 3- the very video says is because they want to make a propaganda victory against an enemy (the soviets) 4-i guess?...stalin's puges had just happened, to trigger a collapse/coup we would need total military defeat, such as loosing moscow, leningrad, stalingrad, and caucaus. or maybe just stalin dying in moscow. 5-i get what you say here, but there is a substancial diference betwen a normal ocupation and genocide of a massive nation, germany would need to put to use its army constantly to garrison all that masive land, and everything depends if germany sucessfully transitionates its conquest based economy into a permanent one. Weak? no, overextended and with a dangerous economical situation? YES.
You forget that unlike in our timeline Stalin probably would not be trusting the Germans nearly as much here and would not have massive parts of the Soviet armies be encircled at the start of the war.
Stalin never trusted Germans. He planned back stab them. But was backstabbed first. But in this scenario. West do not enter conflict with Germany. What happen before Great Patriotic War.
There was a huge debate to attack the western colonies or the Soviets in Japan at the time. I would very much assume that in a situation where Japan is still trading with the west and the Soviets are getting shit kicked by the Germans, they’d be far more likely to attack outer Manchuria and eastern Siberia. I doubt they attack the western colonies yet when the Soviets are in such a compromised position.
Yeah, definitely would be better to go after the Soviets, which would actually score them points with the west, while potentially opening up some more resources Also, without the drive to go to war with Germany, Japan becomes a less appealing foe for the West. In our timeline, war with Japan to exploit their alliance with Germany to get the war with Germany. In the presented timeline, no such motivation exists, because the Allies didn't go to war with Germany, but Germany did go to war against the Soviets, the perceived greater of 2 evils(in the presented timeline)
But There just isn't a good enough reason for Japan to attack the Soviets. The eastern half of Siberia small pockets of oil aside was not resourceful enough to fuel the japanese war effort especially if they really wanted to have a fleet that could compare to their western counterparts. They would also be fighting an enemy who both outnumbered them and had significantly better tech even worse the Soviets would no doubt help reinforce China and vice versa at least to some extent rendering Japan's own technological advantage over china useless. It makes way more sense for Japan even if they are still trading with allies to wait for the perfect moment to pounce on European positions in Asia. The territories have way more resources, they are lightly defended on account of Germany either capturing their mainlands or distracting them, and have people who are willing to aid Japan remove Europeans from the soil, and while you could argue that it's unfair to judge Japan on hindsight the axis still aren't winning if japan dose attack the soviets in fact i say it doubles japans chances of having its northern island being turned into a soviet puppet. The only way I see Japan attacking the Soviets over the Allies is if it's led by a particularly mentally ill leader not unlike Hitler.
@@InfernosReaper But that's the thing it won't be easy to take contrary to popular Believe the Soviets had a significant force stationed near manchuria through out the duration of the war meaning its unlikely even early on that the japanese will be able to push far beyond Vladivostok and that's if they can even take the city. The japanese were significantly far behind the west and the soviets in terms of tech and didn't have the guns nor tanks to counter the soviets on a large front. Remember the only reason the japanese advanced as far as they did was because they attacked lightly defended territories the Europeans didn't want to and or couldn't reinforce not to mention most were islands that had little to no military presence to begin with in contrast by the time the allies defeated Germany and refocused on Japan the japanese could do little outside of hide in caves and fake surrender and especially on the soviet front the japanese were pushed back fast and hard. The only large front the japanese had success in was China and that was only because the Chinese were even farther behind in terms of tech. And of course there were the border clashes that the japanese lost so bad they begged for Stalin to sign a non aggression pact heck the japanese were so scared of the soviets they refused to fire at American boats carrying Soviet lend lease. Point is the japanese couldn't invade Siberia even if they wanted to and they knew it they hoped that Hitler could march through Russia so that they could jump in when the soviets were so weak it wouldn't matter but that wasn't going to ever happen hence no Siberian invasion.
@@waffleboywonder8868 They honestly weren't "significantly behind" though, at least not for most of what mattered Moreover, we're talking about in the scenario, not the real world. In the scenario, it's much more advantageous for the Japanese than it would've been in our timeline.
honestly, if we look on the 1930's German economy that relying heavily on MEFO bills and territorial conquest, their economy is vulnerable. Hitler wanted to go to war with the Czech because he knew, his economic plan is not viable in long term peace time to fuel his unreasonable ambition. if the apeasement continue, which will not followed by the subject of the appeasement itself (Poland, Balkan Nation, Baltic nation, etc), considering all the nation surrounding Germany has already seen the fate of the Austrian and Czech, wich lead to early war that the German not prepared, and with this, I expect German economy will crumble faster, and Hitler popularity will not as high as in our timeline.
There’s many parts in this scenario that I find issue, chiefly with Germany and the USSR. But first, Stalin wasn’t ever going to give up on Finland, his paranoia drove the war due to issues of the proximity of Leningrad to Finland and Finland being used as a staging post, this actually happening with British and French forces would only increase this. At minimum Stalin isn’t giving up until he gets something from Finland and Finland, no matter how much support just can’t beat the USSR, there is only so much a tiny nation of a few million can do against something 20x it’s size. Even if it’s only a tiny strip of the mannerheim he will not stop until he gets it. Secondly, I doubt the idea that Germany would perform better in Barbarossa ittl than otl, by 1940 the German economy was completely broke they were utterly dependent on looting other countries just to keep functioning. These countries were primarily western, Hitler hoped to take from the east but the utter devastation meant that this just never happened, pretty much all the way until ‘45. Two, with peace in the west there really isn’t a way for Stalin to ignore reality about the Germans, 90% of German success was due to soviet incompetence and while the purges were a decent portion of that by far it was the fault of Stalin with warning a lot of the problems that came with this just don’t exist. The primary one being there are much fewer encirclements, and secondly that Soviet industry evacuates east much quicker than OTL, tbh I don’t understand how this would go worse ittl than otl, and that much of the Soviet airforce survives. Obviously the Soviet airforce is much inferior to the Germans but they are in a much better position to equalise and crucially aren’t so dependent on lend lease. No Lend lease in Barbarossa wouldn’t have much effect as lend lease wouldn’t really pick up until 42 Not to say that the USSR would curbstomp Germany, I’d imagine the initial push into the USSR achieves fewer gains than otl and the Soviet counterattack is worse, and then the Germans have much better success pushing into the caucuses but this doesn’t really get them anything, everything is still extremely scorched earth. Things are going worse for the Soviets but that doesn’t mean that the Germans are better off. But, as things go forward, the German army would eventually grind down the USSR without lend lease from the USA maybe even push them back to the Urals, but the idea that Eastern Europe is just going to ‘give in’ doesn’t make sense. Without distractions in the west and Germany being even more dependent off looting everything not nailed down it’s abundantly clear to everyone that this is literally victory or death anyone willing to give in would be quickly ‘gotten rid of’. And even if Soviet military capabilities, or whichever state replaces them, is ground down to where they can only do low intensity conflict Germany stills falls apart within the decade. A tiny nation of 60 million which has already lost millions of their best soldiers simply can’t occupy that much territory even if the populace wasn’t trying to kill them at every turn. As Germany begins to waste resources implementing their delusional Eastern European plans, which they have even less of without the money taken from the rich west, things begin to fall apart, there isn’t enough money to pay everyone, run the factories, and garrison the money sink of Eastern Europe, especially with the likelihood of western sanctions for things like the Holocaust which the Allies did in fact know about. likely things crumble on until 48 or 49 where everything falls apart at once revolts happen all over EE and whatever Uralian rump state sweeps in to the rest of Eastern Europe, the military coups the nsdap and either invites the west in for whatever good terms they can get, or just keeps falling apart until the west just walks in to minimal German resistance and whatever territory they still have left in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead Well this isn't much better, as it's clearly biased towards Germany. The US Lend-Lease only accounted for 10% of Soviet production. Hitler also firmly believed that they just needed to "kick the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse". Germany's fatal mistake was underestimating the USSR's strenght, as they carried a massive undertaking relocating their entire industry to the Urals and out-produce the entire German economy by 1942. They didn't even equip the Wehrmacht with winter clothes as they genuinely thought they would have won by winter 1941.
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead I honestly don’t know who’d claim ph is biased in favor of the USSR. He seems to appeal mostly to wehrbs in his modern age videos lately
Well, this timeline excludes one, very important factor: british urge for balancing continental powers. Sooner or later, Germany would challenge UK and this is unacceptable, brits knew, that the painter have to be stopped and french army, if given enough time, would be prepared for that. Poland was only a casus belli, but in scale of great game, british-german conflict would be unavoidable and thus - described scenario unrealistic.
I strongly believe that the German Economy (if they really focus on that department) can easily switch up from Military Technology and Weapons to more Industrialized and Economical Helping Areas. Weve seen it happening in our timeline with a much smaller and more reliant Germany so why not.
you forget that even by 1939, germany was starting to enter a debt crisis, its revenue was 62 billion but its expenditure was over 101 billion and only by plundering defeated nations were they able to avoid a debt crisis. A time of peace with no new nations to plunder would have seen these problems come to the forefront and the german economy likely would have collapsed.
@@Jackthecritic The German Economy also had those Problems to deal with after the War in our Timeline. They also dealt with that in our timeline and paid back the War Reparations in our Timeline (which probably wouldnt happen in this one but they did that in our). So no I did not forget that but its simply me basing it off the fact that a smaller and much more resource wise reliant Germany did it. Now a Germany with the grain Field of Ukraine and the Oil/Gas as well as Rare Earths in Russia? It should be possible.
A German peacetime economy could have been quite strong. The issue is one of ideology. Fascism demands continuous military expansion and conflict to strengthen the race, and thus literally cannot support an extended period of peace engaged in anything but military preparations.
@@plasmakitten4261 A savvy leader could probably have convinced his followers to focus on expansion into the new Lebensraum won from the untermenschen in the east. It would have taken centuries to actually replace the local population even with germanification of some.
@@dragon723. I dont really think Hitler was that guy tho. He was much more of a "we will destroy them!" leadership-through-extreme-violence type. And besides, the genocide and shit is gonna leak eventually.
He was for signing a peace treaty with Germany after dunkirk, most likely seeing Alsace go back to Germany, and regaining their territories they lost after WW1, but aside from that return to status quo, Hitler had no real ambitions in Western Europe, all his ambitions were in the East. With this, the UK would not lose any territory, as Hitler did not want to antagonize the British, thats part of the reason why the BEF wasnt wiped out, as to show good faith towards the British to hopefully sue for peace, which the nazis could've done. France would probably have some sort of collapse, with them already being on the brink of a civil war before WW2, this humiliation would be the last straw and cause them to fall into a civil war between communists and the right (idk if it would be the fascists as they just got conquered by them in a number of weeks), with this, no North Africa campaign and the soviets would get trampled, as the UK would be willing to trade with the Germans, and the British did have no love for the soviets, so basically this video's timeline but a bit better for the Germans
That’s like saying « what if the jews sided with hitler? » my brother in Christ Poland is a Slavic country, hitler hated Slavs, why would Poland support a country that hates its existence ?
The only way for that is stalin going full goblin mode and reigniting polish-soviet war, meanwhile (somehow?) Germany declares war on the ussr for i guess ideological reasons?, the german-soviet border will only be in lithuania and (big) maybe in romania
1:14 As a Pole, I say that Poland would probably side with the Germans in the war against Czechoslovakia and the Allies if the USSR tried to send a land army to Czechoslovakia, but if the Soviets had not joined the war, we would probably have been neutral until we accepted territorial offers from the Germans or from the allies just like the Italians during World War I, however, if the USSR joined the war to help Czechoslovakia, we would have to fight shoulder to shoulder with the Germans against the Soviets, because the Soviets' entry into Poland would end with Poland entering the Soviet zone.
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 Well letting Soviets go by the Polish lands could mean annexation of "Kresy" and it's Possible that Soviets could even do coup to take power from "Sanacja" goverment so if Soviets would tre to cross our borders we would have to fight against them at the side of Germans. In this situation, Romania would also have to maintain a defensive alliance with Poland against the USSR, so it would also form an alliance with Germany, although relations with Hungary would be difficult, but the Hungarians would probably get all of Slovakia instead of half of Transylvania, Unless a Soviet offensive managed to reach and save Czechoslovakia by taking over Lviv and surrondings.
@@BartoszLimanowski Keep in mind that in such a scenario, if the Allies and the Soviet Union supported the integrity of Czechoslovakia in response to German aggression, then the Wehrmacht generals and Abwehr officials would have attempted a coup against Hitler. In any case, in the end, in 1938, the German-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian alliance would not have stood a chance against the three strongest countries in Europe.
@@BartoszLimanowski By the way, as far as I remember, Romania also refused to let the Red Army through to save Czechoslovakia, but didn’t Romania and Czechoslovakia have mutual allied agreements then?
Just watched my older video on this topic. I'm glad I was able to figure some stuff out, but looking back at it, my ending was very bad. I agree with your interpretation way more. Keep uploading, so I can keep learning!
1:14 Poland would probably join the war on the side of Germany. Polish-czechoslovakian relationship were absolutely horrible at that time because of Zaolize. Poland was one of the countries that carved up Czechoslovakia during the Munich crisis and many polish politicians adored Hitler
And risk being labelled an enemy by the interventionist west? That's basically suicide. Poland would rather join the Allies side if that region could be ceded as compensation for Polish involvement.
@@gengarzilla1685 that's a fair point. I just wanted to point out that if Britain and France had not defended Czechoslovakia, then Germany, Hungary and Poland would attack it. I simply don't like the popular idea that Poland was some kind of Germany's nemesis because it was too showing its very expansionist and imperialist tendencies
Poland was basically stronger Belarus in the 30'. They're would try to Expander They're territory but would never do anything They're big ally, for Belarus It's Russia, but for 30' Poland it was France and UK, Poland would never side with enemy of UK and France with They're historical path. Siding with Germany for any big war wouldn't be possible if there were other options, Polish government choice a war with a huge population loss over that siding with German on the Gdańsk corridor, so Poles could grab closest Polish speaking regions, nothing more.
Czechia was not annexed, they where vassalized as the former leader of Czechoslovakia now just Czechia as Slovakia basically considered themselves independent (until Hungary made moves against them) was desperate for protection and Hitler was the only one willing to provide it on the condition that former Austrian industry was returned to Germany.
czechoslovakia was annexed, some deal with hitler was just a show because when this deal wasnt even done german army was alredy on czechoslovak territory.
@@tommort8360 Czechoslovakia no longer existed by the time the Czech state was absorbed into Germany. It was reestablished by the Soviet Union. During the entirety of WW2 there was no Czechoslovakian nation. Only Czechia and Slovakia as separate political entities.
Brilliant video, would love a Part 2!!! Appeasement ought to have either never been done, or else followed to its logical conclusion. Defending Czechoslovakia made far more sense than declaring war over Poland's invasion and then doing nothing about it.
I think the axis would divide Yugoslavia before invading the USSR if they saw the West were not intervening, bringing Bulgaria into the alliance in the process
Do a video on: "Was WW2 overall good or bad for the USSR"? WW2 caused: enormous death toll of the country a ton of land gained once the war was over basically ownership of half of germany, poland, all of romania and hugnary a good grip on an international scale a lot of destruction of the country animosity between the communists and the west Was it overall good or bad for ussr?
Pretty mildly, ussr lost many man buy they gained a superpower position , but if germany never invaded ussr they will invade germany and gain influence anyways, causing less destruction
I wouldn't be so sure, one of the main reasons that caused finland to cede their territories to the USSR was the lack of oil, in this timeline they have a lot of support from the west
@@b3ygghsas did you study history at all or just propaganda from reddit? irl Finland got 12k volunteers, 350 planes, 500 howitzers, 100k rifles, 160mln bullets, 2,5 mln shells.
Regarding the Winter War, you forget that Norway and Sweden refused passage of French and British troops through their territory. While the main reason for this in our timeline is that they did not want to aid France and Britain while they were at war with Germany, there would still probably be fears that the Western Allies would occupy the Swedish iron mines and the adjacent Norwegian coast. It is at least more complicated than presented here.
What people tend to forget and also don't like to mention because they don't want anything positive to be said about the big moustache man is that Germany's case for a lot of the things they requested wasn't really unjustified. I think this is really important when talking about appeasement. People always talk about Austria-hungaries instability and how it wasn't really right for the Austrian empire to be so overextended with other nationalities but Yugoslavia and chzechoslovakia were basically just mini Austria Hungary's. Chzechoslovakian identity didn't even exist before the creation of that state and was only created as a counter balance to the fact that Germans were so numerous in chzechoslovakia they needed a majority that was sizable enough to keep the germans in check. To give you an example.more Germans lived in chzechoslovakia then slovaks with most of them living in majority areas. Same goes for Ukrainians, poles , hungarians and slovaks. All of these areas didn't actually want to be part of chzechoslovakia. Just after ww1 the Austrian republic was born which included all sudeten territories and immediately tried to join the weimar republic but was forbidden from doing so. Then the sudeten territories were ripped from the Austrian republic and given to chzechoslovakia. They were promised certain rights they never got in the end. The germans of chzechoslovakia genuinely wanted to join Germany but chzechoslovakia wouldn't have it and suppressed all political activity and the germans pretty much themselves. They even put forward a bill which I don't remember which was about German rights in chzechoslovakia (political and otherwise) that was actually rejected by the chzechoslovakian state. I genuinely think it wasn't unreasonable at all for Germany to demand these territories as the people themselves wanted to join Germany. But after the Munich agreement the other minorities in chzechoslovakia wanted to join their respective nations as well and the country crumbled in on itself. Germany took advantage of it and made some chzechoslovakian government officials sign for Germany to "stabilise the region" and make a protectorate while dividing the other areas to the other nations like Hungary for example.
Very interesting I gotta say. I guess this video could also be titled what if the Allies focused on the Soviets instead of the Germans in the 30’s and 40’s or something along those lines. Great video, and great alternate history you’ve made
Early Barbarossa was so successful because they caught the societs completely off guard, which lead to the decimation of the soviet army. To assume that the same situation would unfold in this timeline is just lazy writing.
Remember if the allies are at peace with germany they can send supplies through the baltic with impunity, the main issue with it was it would be attacked in the baltic especially if it was the soviets and germans at once but with only the soviets it should be manageable
Also because heightened allied intervention the soviets would likely cal it a war of liberating the Finns against the western tyranny because their defense is thanks to western support, irl the Finns made it clear there was no liberation because they resisted on their own but here the idea is tangible by saying the western forces are proping up their government so it would likely be more decisive than in our timeline
Consideration that the soviet union would definitely be ready for that kind of invasion . Soviet officers where not stupid and unlike our timeline that Stalin hold back the soviet army at the start in fear of getting bad diplomatic with Germany, we could definitely expect a great stall at the start of the war since the whole soviet army would be waiting for the germans and not sitting still like they were in our timeline ,their airforce wouldn't be easily destroyed in the airfields. We could definitely expect some germans advance after 6 months of war. But to expect german war machine to do better is just unrealistic even without allied bombings. We could totally expect some allied help to the Soviets ,since western powers even do didn't like the communists the didn't like the idea of a Continental nazy Germany. My best guess would be that white peace after a war more grinding than our Soviet-german war of our timeline . With perhaps the a coup from the army and a early break of the soviet union.
Reminds me of an idea I had for a Scenario I called The War that Came Late. Basically the War started in the Mid 40s as an excuse to play with late and post war toys. Bit ASB, but I had fun with it.
Ibn would actually get his wish and die in battle like he always wanted. He then gets honored due to his inspiring courage by both Romans and Arabs, who mourn for his death 💀
To be honest, it is very difficult to predict what will happen next. Will France and Britain intervene in the coming civil war in the Third Reich? which warlord will unite Ukraine? which warlord will unite Belarus? which warlord will unite the Baltics? Which warlord will unite Central Asia? it's all very unpredictable
Y'know those crimes would be less, just as the death toll in this time line, since the mass murder only happened after 1943 when Germany got pushed back.
You got the Japan section completely wrong. While the Japanese navy wanted south-east Asia, the Japanese army wanted Siberia and with a crumbling Soviet regime there's no doubt the latter would have won the internal power struggle and Japan would have gone north-west instead of attacking the Allies.
7:38 Disagree on that. The Japanese mostly attacked becauce of the Oil embargo. Which was in Place because of Anexion of French Indo China. Oil Embargo wouldn`t hapen in this Timeline. After the first defeats of the Soviets, Japan would attack the Soviet Union.
Can you please make a video on what if the three cousins (Tsar Nicolas the 2nd, Kaiser Wilhelm the 2nd, and King George the 5th,) (Russia, Germany and the U.K.) allied together in WW1 against (for example) France, Austria, Italy, and the Ottomans. I know it's kinda unrealistic, you can change stuff around to your liking of course and I believe it would be a good video idea, but not impossible for Possible History!
May 8, 1945. Neville Chamberlain in a bid to preserve peace in Europe cedes the last remaining county of the UK to Germany following another territorial demand by Hitler
What if the Vikings had succeeded in settling Vinland? I think it would require a change of mindset such that they didn't discount the notion of learning from indigenous people, and perhaps allying with them.
What if Franz Ferdinand became Franz II? I though about this scenario a lot and I think it would be the Catholic pipe dream (he wanted to reorganise Austria Hungary federally in a Catholic centered and not German culture centered way). It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
The reason for Indian independence was British desire to reduce the costs from their colonies, because of devastation from the way and increased costs from the NHS. Why, in this scenario where neither are likely, does India gain independence?
@Possible History What if the sudentenland was given to Germany in the Munich argeement but it was declared a demilitarised zone for the German army with the Czech army still allowed to deploy there. Ie it was only a civilian transfer and the military borders remained the same?
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The narration was an experiment, do let me know what you thought!
Was a little too loud could use improvement but i did like it
It was an interesting addition, could be used to help bring out potential historical perspectives. With a bit of polishing, like the obvious modern *end recording sounds*, I could see myself enjoying it.
It doesnt really fit the video style and is in my opinion very out of place
I like it, needs a little refinement in terms of volume and stuff but I think it could be pretty good!
It is a good idea, but the execution is not quite there yet. Try modifying the audio to feel like an old radio transmission, and yes it was a bit louder than necessary.
Germany requests the entire universe, France and Britain decide it's reasonable because there is more Germans to be appeased in space.
@@finitatem Went on r/atheism today have we? Or maybe watched a wehraboo video?
@@MikhailTukachevsky he is not wrong, the city used to be populated by mainly germans and hungarians up until ww1 when the city was given to the slovaks even tho they barely lived there
@@finitatem Depends on your morals tho. I'll say anyone willing to go to war so eagerly to break the Versailles treaty is being unreasonable.
@@finitatem those lands were Czech for long time, they had higher German population only because Austrians were pushing out other cultures
also, minorities in Czechoslovakia had great treatment, one of best in the world
@@asasas9146 The Treaty of Versailles was in itself amoral with one main goal, to punish Germany so it could never recover enough economically to threaten Europe. This was due to a thing that's often ignored when people present WWI, namely that the Germans as a population were stoked to show the rest of Europe their superiority. it's always that Germany only found itself in WWI due to diplomatic circumstances, which is incorrect.
The Treaty itself eventually gave room for Hitler to seize power and become the beloved dictator that many Germans saw him as, until the full extent of the KZ-camps was revealed that is.
Meynard Keynes protested the Treaty of Versailles as he believed that it would lead to the circumstances that it did. The treaty after WWII was a lot more lenient than the Treaty of Versailles as the Allied powers this time took Keynes' criticism to heart.
"I want that thing." Germany said, calmly.
"You can't have tha- OK!! You can have that thing but no more!!"- Chamberlain said in response.
I want that thing. And repeat
Germany said, calmy with a vein bulging on their forehead.*
@@Kiddo5010I want that…..
NO NOT POLAND!!!!!!
Just casually waiting a NordVPN joke
What if the German revolution succeeded while the Russian (October) revolution failed?
Do you mean if November Revolution ended up by communists taking power.. If so, it's quite not an option, because communist uprisings in Germany were highly inspired by s *success* of October Revolution in Russia.
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 in the early stages of the success of the Bolsheviks taking power, there was a lot of uncertainty about how long it would last. It is possible it could’ve fell whether it be to forces inside the Union or due to outside forces meddling
The bad ending
Yes
@@edelweiss7928Th b and g endin
Bro you need to continue the ww1 central powers victory series it's so damn interesting
Yes, that would be wonderful
There's not much to do honestly. Germany has the biggest army,barely any enemies,and nukes.
@@justsomehungarian
Tbh i want it to continue tell modern day to see how much have changed
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Beyond that point it would become more fiction than educated speculation. I am satisfied with what I have now.
love how possible history always changes his way of editing ❤
same
Scenario idea: What if the Coptic Christian’s succeeded in the Bashmurian revolts, thus creating a Coptic Egypt?
Based
Interesting
Very based
Major W
God is good ✝️
Fascinating
I think Japan would have attacked the USSR. With their allies diverting Russia's attention, they could easily take large swathes of resource rich territory.
I don't know if it was known to be resource rich at the time, but I still think they would do it.
And without WW2 they can import Oil from Germanys occupied regions or from neutral countrys
@@affenimperator9155 Exactly, though the western allies are still very able to disrupt any shipments of oil or other raw resources quite easily.
@@BasicallyBaconSandvichIVthe question is in the allies would try in coordinated fashion to cut the Japanese off from oil when the allies and Japanese are somewhat on the same side of the war against the Soviets thanks to the Winter War.
The sanctions from the USA came after Japan occupied Indochina, which would not happen in this alternate timeline.
What would you have done?
@@J7Handle Exactly, probably why it is in my unprofessional opinion that they would probably attack the USSR. They stay in good standing with both the allies (at least for a little while more) and the germans.
What if everything went perfect for Monarchist Italy?
Basically no Victoria Muttilada?
@@Genburthing *yes*
@@Genburthing also it's mutilata, not mutilada
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@@e_4210 😂👍
Might I entreat you to envision a scenario, purely speculative in nature, wherein every conceivable variable aligns harmoniously and favorably for the venerable nation of Norway? Picture, if you will, a narrative unfolding wherein every pursuit, every endeavor, manifests with a perfection so sublime that it ushers forth an unparalleled era of prosperity and serenity for the Norwegian realm.
(Please do a what if everything went perfect for Norway scenario)
Bro pulled the thesaurus for this one
If ph did make a video for this when would you want the timeline to diverge?
@@inyourwalls-q6p I would say either in 1066 during the Norwegian invasion of England, or after the Napoleonic wars letting Norway keep their overseas territories. Maybe Sweden would give away historical Norwegian lands to make Norway willingly join their union?
@floor737 after Napoleon? I think avoid8ng the famine during would be it - a stronger Norway that got the food it needed could be c9nsidered too big a prize for Sweden and instead given independence with a British prince to keep them firmly in British sphere of influence.
@@dougfowler1368 True, avoiding the famine would be ideal. But I tihnk placing a British prince would come with some downsides such as internal resistance to yet another foreign monarch, making the people question if independence had really been achieved. The British couldn't let Norway fall into an enemies sphere of influence because of the importance of their location (especially if they get to keep their overseas territories), but a disloyal Norway might be hard to hold onto for long.
This video is extremely unrealistic for several reasons:
1) If Britain didn't guarantee to intervene militarily against Germany, POLAND AND GERMANY WOULD NOT HAVE GONE TO WAR. Poland would cede Danzig, and the Germans might have used the opportunity to seize parts of the Polish Corridor. However, the Germans would be careful to not instigate a larger conflict with Poland. So, there would be no Soviet invasion of Poland, no Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and no occupation of Poland at large.
2) Germany wanted Poland as a buffer state and potential ally against communism, which both the Germans and Poles viewed as a Jewish power. After Poland ceded Danzig, Germany would attempt to bring Poland into their alliance.
3) The Western Allies did not care about Finland to the extent that the civilian populations of America, France and Britain did. Churchill would not have given much aid to Finland, and even if they did, no amount of aid would have led to a Finnish victory. Finland was too far away, while it was also right on the Russian border.
4) There was most likely going to be a war with the USSR, so this part is correct. However, given that there was no western support in this timeline, a political collapse of the USSR is much more likely, rather than a military collapse.
5) This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse. For a historical example, the USSR was nearly destroyed by WW2, had lost tens of millions of people, and was a multi-ethnic empire. Despite this, it took 5 decades of western sanction, proxy conflicts, and propaganda for the USSR to collapse. Germany would have none of these problems. It would be a homogenous German nation, it would have lost only a few million people with the civilian population mostly unaffected, would have plenty of access to food, and would have an extremely popular and efficient government.
"This video makes a massive error with suggesting that a post-War Germany would be economically weak with the potential for dissent and collapse."
Yes, these alternate history channels always have to shovel this rubbish in lol. For political reasons they can't possibly say that actually the standard of living would be very high and everything would be great, just as it was for post war America IOTL. If Commie Russia didn't collapse, then Germany certainly wasn't going to either.
It all depends on the succession system. Having all the recourses of the world means squat if Hitler dies and there is no clear successor, and even if there was, how would they stop civil war?
@@orrorsaness5942
There would be no civil war because the factors that create civil war would not exist. This idea that Germany would be politically unstable if they won the war is absurd, and something that 100% comes from movies and video games. Germany would be no more likely to fall to civil war than the USA would have been. The USSR never fell to civil war after WW2, despite far worse circumstances.
Something I want to note, I think you massively overestimate how efficient the Nazi government was, there was a lot of political infighting and other bureaucratic inefficiencies throughout their system.
Further more Nazi ideology would inevitably create constant resistance across their empire as they were ideologically driven to systemically murder non-German populations they subjugated, basically everywhere east of their original borders they're occupying they'd be dealing with partisan guerrillas pretty much as long as any non-German inhabitants are alive, the amount of people they'd have to murder to stabilise their holdings would be a cartoonish number that'd be right at home in a MasterofRoflness video.
Basically the Nazis actually winning the peace would a whole mess simply because of fundamental flaws in their ideology.
1- the video is about a timeline where both the garantee and the M-R pact happened but the west just simply didnt declared war after germany and the soviets did so. the soviets get scammed.
2- you might be right, i dont know much, but again, first point.
however even in the case where germany "allies" poland, they would turn it into a protectorade simply because they are bigger and stronger, and poland is on their way.
3- the very video says is because they want to make a propaganda victory against an enemy (the soviets)
4-i guess?...stalin's puges had just happened, to trigger a collapse/coup we would need total military defeat, such as loosing moscow, leningrad, stalingrad, and caucaus. or maybe just stalin dying in moscow.
5-i get what you say here, but there is a substancial diference betwen a normal ocupation and genocide of a massive nation, germany would need to put to use its army constantly to garrison all that masive land, and everything depends if germany sucessfully transitionates its conquest based economy into a permanent one.
Weak? no, overextended and with a dangerous economical situation? YES.
"Come on guys, trust me! It will be his last demand!"
6:02 hearing the British celebrate about a German victory in the 1940s is the most cursed thing ever😭😭😭💀💀💀
A better world
You forget that unlike in our timeline Stalin probably would not be trusting the Germans nearly as much here and would not have massive parts of the Soviet armies be encircled at the start of the war.
It doesnt really matter. At the end, Soviets will anyways fall
Stalin never trusted Germans. He planned back stab them. But was backstabbed first.
But in this scenario. West do not enter conflict with Germany. What happen before Great Patriotic War.
There was never any trust, that is soviet propaganda to partially explain their fails.
There was a huge debate to attack the western colonies or the Soviets in Japan at the time. I would very much assume that in a situation where Japan is still trading with the west and the Soviets are getting shit kicked by the Germans, they’d be far more likely to attack outer Manchuria and eastern Siberia. I doubt they attack the western colonies yet when the Soviets are in such a compromised position.
Yeah, definitely would be better to go after the Soviets, which would actually score them points with the west, while potentially opening up some more resources
Also, without the drive to go to war with Germany, Japan becomes a less appealing foe for the West. In our timeline, war with Japan to exploit their alliance with Germany to get the war with Germany.
In the presented timeline, no such motivation exists, because the Allies didn't go to war with Germany, but Germany did go to war against the Soviets, the perceived greater of 2 evils(in the presented timeline)
But There just isn't a good enough reason for Japan to attack the Soviets. The eastern half of Siberia small pockets of oil aside was not resourceful enough to fuel the japanese war effort especially if they really wanted to have a fleet that could compare to their western counterparts. They would also be fighting an enemy who both outnumbered them and had significantly better tech even worse the Soviets would no doubt help reinforce China and vice versa at least to some extent rendering Japan's own technological advantage over china useless. It makes way more sense for Japan even if they are still trading with allies to wait for the perfect moment to pounce on European positions in Asia. The territories have way more resources, they are lightly defended on account of Germany either capturing their mainlands or distracting them, and have people who are willing to aid Japan remove Europeans from the soil, and while you could argue that it's unfair to judge Japan on hindsight the axis still aren't winning if japan dose attack the soviets in fact i say it doubles japans chances of having its northern island being turned into a soviet puppet. The only way I see Japan attacking the Soviets over the Allies is if it's led by a particularly mentally ill leader not unlike Hitler.
@@waffleboywonder8868 If it's easy to take and already setup for use, why not go for it if you need it?
@@InfernosReaper But that's the thing it won't be easy to take contrary to popular Believe the Soviets had a significant force stationed near manchuria through out the duration of the war meaning its unlikely even early on that the japanese will be able to push far beyond Vladivostok and that's if they can even take the city. The japanese were significantly far behind the west and the soviets in terms of tech and didn't have the guns nor tanks to counter the soviets on a large front. Remember the only reason the japanese advanced as far as they did was because they attacked lightly defended territories the Europeans didn't want to and or couldn't reinforce not to mention most were islands that had little to no military presence to begin with in contrast by the time the allies defeated Germany and refocused on Japan the japanese could do little outside of hide in caves and fake surrender and especially on the soviet front the japanese were pushed back fast and hard. The only large front the japanese had success in was China and that was only because the Chinese were even farther behind in terms of tech. And of course there were the border clashes that the japanese lost so bad they begged for Stalin to sign a non aggression pact heck the japanese were so scared of the soviets they refused to fire at American boats carrying Soviet lend lease. Point is the japanese couldn't invade Siberia even if they wanted to and they knew it they hoped that Hitler could march through Russia so that they could jump in when the soviets were so weak it wouldn't matter but that wasn't going to ever happen hence no Siberian invasion.
@@waffleboywonder8868 They honestly weren't "significantly behind" though, at least not for most of what mattered
Moreover, we're talking about in the scenario, not the real world. In the scenario, it's much more advantageous for the Japanese than it would've been in our timeline.
honestly, if we look on the 1930's German economy that relying heavily on MEFO bills and territorial conquest, their economy is vulnerable. Hitler wanted to go to war with the Czech because he knew, his economic plan is not viable in long term peace time to fuel his unreasonable ambition. if the apeasement continue, which will not followed by the subject of the appeasement itself (Poland, Balkan Nation, Baltic nation, etc), considering all the nation surrounding Germany has already seen the fate of the Austrian and Czech, wich lead to early war that the German not prepared, and with this, I expect German economy will crumble faster, and Hitler popularity will not as high as in our timeline.
There’s many parts in this scenario that I find issue, chiefly with Germany and the USSR.
But first, Stalin wasn’t ever going to give up on Finland, his paranoia drove the war due to issues of the proximity of Leningrad to Finland and Finland being used as a staging post, this actually happening with British and French forces would only increase this. At minimum Stalin isn’t giving up until he gets something from Finland and Finland, no matter how much support just can’t beat the USSR, there is only so much a tiny nation of a few million can do against something 20x it’s size. Even if it’s only a tiny strip of the mannerheim he will not stop until he gets it.
Secondly, I doubt the idea that Germany would perform better in Barbarossa ittl than otl, by 1940 the German economy was completely broke they were utterly dependent on looting other countries just to keep functioning. These countries were primarily western, Hitler hoped to take from the east but the utter devastation meant that this just never happened, pretty much all the way until ‘45. Two, with peace in the west there really isn’t a way for Stalin to ignore reality about the Germans, 90% of German success was due to soviet incompetence and while the purges were a decent portion of that by far it was the fault of Stalin with warning a lot of the problems that came with this just don’t exist. The primary one being there are much fewer encirclements, and secondly that Soviet industry evacuates east much quicker than OTL, tbh I don’t understand how this would go worse ittl than otl, and that much of the Soviet airforce survives. Obviously the Soviet airforce is much inferior to the Germans but they are in a much better position to equalise and crucially aren’t so dependent on lend lease. No Lend lease in Barbarossa wouldn’t have much effect as lend lease wouldn’t really pick up until 42
Not to say that the USSR would curbstomp Germany, I’d imagine the initial push into the USSR achieves fewer gains than otl and the Soviet counterattack is worse, and then the Germans have much better success pushing into the caucuses but this doesn’t really get them anything, everything is still extremely scorched earth. Things are going worse for the Soviets but that doesn’t mean that the Germans are better off. But, as things go forward, the German army would eventually grind down the USSR without lend lease from the USA maybe even push them back to the Urals, but the idea that Eastern Europe is just going to ‘give in’ doesn’t make sense. Without distractions in the west and Germany being even more dependent off looting everything not nailed down it’s abundantly clear to everyone that this is literally victory or death anyone willing to give in would be quickly ‘gotten rid of’. And even if Soviet military capabilities, or whichever state replaces them, is ground down to where they can only do low intensity conflict Germany stills falls apart within the decade. A tiny nation of 60 million which has already lost millions of their best soldiers simply can’t occupy that much territory even if the populace wasn’t trying to kill them at every turn. As Germany begins to waste resources implementing their delusional Eastern European plans, which they have even less of without the money taken from the rich west, things begin to fall apart, there isn’t enough money to pay everyone, run the factories, and garrison the money sink of Eastern Europe, especially with the likelihood of western sanctions for things like the Holocaust which the Allies did in fact know about. likely things crumble on until 48 or 49 where everything falls apart at once revolts happen all over EE and whatever Uralian rump state sweeps in to the rest of Eastern Europe, the military coups the nsdap and either invites the west in for whatever good terms they can get, or just keeps falling apart until the west just walks in to minimal German resistance and whatever territory they still have left in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, etc.
Ikr that pissed me off too
99% sure this video solely exists for ph to prove he's not biased towards the ussr.
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead Well this isn't much better, as it's clearly biased towards Germany. The US Lend-Lease only accounted for 10% of Soviet production. Hitler also firmly believed that they just needed to "kick the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse". Germany's fatal mistake was underestimating the USSR's strenght, as they carried a massive undertaking relocating their entire industry to the Urals and out-produce the entire German economy by 1942. They didn't even equip the Wehrmacht with winter clothes as they genuinely thought they would have won by winter 1941.
@@SomeDudeWhoIsntDead
I honestly don’t know who’d claim ph is biased in favor of the USSR. He seems to appeal mostly to wehrbs in his modern age videos lately
Oh brother we've got a chatterbox here
Well, this timeline excludes one, very important factor: british urge for balancing continental powers. Sooner or later, Germany would challenge UK and this is unacceptable, brits knew, that the painter have to be stopped and french army, if given enough time, would be prepared for that. Poland was only a casus belli, but in scale of great game, british-german conflict would be unavoidable and thus - described scenario unrealistic.
Scenario Idea. What if the Hittite civilisation survived?
Germany: I want London
Britain: Okay but final conquest
I strongly believe that the German Economy (if they really focus on that department) can easily switch up from Military Technology and Weapons to more Industrialized and Economical Helping Areas.
Weve seen it happening in our timeline with a much smaller and more reliant Germany so why not.
you forget that even by 1939, germany was starting to enter a debt crisis, its revenue was 62 billion but its expenditure was over 101 billion and only by plundering defeated nations were they able to avoid a debt crisis. A time of peace with no new nations to plunder would have seen these problems come to the forefront and the german economy likely would have collapsed.
@@Jackthecritic The German Economy also had those Problems to deal with after the War in our Timeline. They also dealt with that in our timeline and paid back the War Reparations in our Timeline (which probably wouldnt happen in this one but they did that in our).
So no I did not forget that but its simply me basing it off the fact that a smaller and much more resource wise reliant Germany did it.
Now a Germany with the grain Field of Ukraine and the Oil/Gas as well as Rare Earths in Russia? It should be possible.
A German peacetime economy could have been quite strong. The issue is one of ideology. Fascism demands continuous military expansion and conflict to strengthen the race, and thus literally cannot support an extended period of peace engaged in anything but military preparations.
@@plasmakitten4261 A savvy leader could probably have convinced his followers to focus on expansion into the new Lebensraum won from the untermenschen in the east. It would have taken centuries to actually replace the local population even with germanification of some.
@@dragon723. I dont really think Hitler was that guy tho. He was much more of a "we will destroy them!" leadership-through-extreme-violence type. And besides, the genocide and shit is gonna leak eventually.
What if Edward Wood, 1st Earl of Halifax had accepted the British premiership? (as opposed to it going to Churchill)
He was for signing a peace treaty with Germany after dunkirk, most likely seeing Alsace go back to Germany, and regaining their territories they lost after WW1, but aside from that return to status quo, Hitler had no real ambitions in Western Europe, all his ambitions were in the East.
With this, the UK would not lose any territory, as Hitler did not want to antagonize the British, thats part of the reason why the BEF wasnt wiped out, as to show good faith towards the British to hopefully sue for peace, which the nazis could've done.
France would probably have some sort of collapse, with them already being on the brink of a civil war before WW2, this humiliation would be the last straw and cause them to fall into a civil war between communists and the right (idk if it would be the fascists as they just got conquered by them in a number of weeks), with this, no North Africa campaign and the soviets would get trampled, as the UK would be willing to trade with the Germans, and the British did have no love for the soviets, so basically this video's timeline but a bit better for the Germans
I think that another interesting scenario would be: What if Poland joins the axis?
It will be very similar scenario
That’s like saying « what if the jews sided with hitler? » my brother in Christ Poland is a Slavic country, hitler hated Slavs, why would Poland support a country that hates its existence ?
The only way for that is stalin going full goblin mode and reigniting polish-soviet war, meanwhile (somehow?) Germany declares war on the ussr for i guess ideological reasons?, the german-soviet border will only be in lithuania and (big) maybe in romania
That’s what Germany originally wanted, but Poland said no
It could never be a long term alliance due to german beleifs on lebensraum
1:14 As a Pole, I say that Poland would probably side with the Germans in the war against Czechoslovakia and the Allies if the USSR tried to send a land army to Czechoslovakia, but if the Soviets had not joined the war, we would probably have been neutral until we accepted territorial offers from the Germans or from the allies just like the Italians during World War I, however, if the USSR joined the war to help Czechoslovakia, we would have to fight shoulder to shoulder with the Germans against the Soviets, because the Soviets' entry into Poland would end with Poland entering the Soviet zone.
In my opinion it would be no less poor strategical choice by polish government
@@dmitrygerasimov7869that is simply how polish foreign policy was in the intewar period... The giant nationalism blinded thier eye
@@dmitrygerasimov7869 Well letting Soviets go by the Polish lands could mean annexation of "Kresy" and it's Possible that Soviets could even do coup to take power from "Sanacja" goverment so if Soviets would tre to cross our borders we would have to fight against them at the side of Germans. In this situation, Romania would also have to maintain a defensive alliance with Poland against the USSR, so it would also form an alliance with Germany, although relations with Hungary would be difficult, but the Hungarians would probably get all of Slovakia instead of half of Transylvania, Unless a Soviet offensive managed to reach and save Czechoslovakia by taking over Lviv and surrondings.
@@BartoszLimanowski Keep in mind that in such a scenario, if the Allies and the Soviet Union supported the integrity of Czechoslovakia in response to German aggression, then the Wehrmacht generals and Abwehr officials would have attempted a coup against Hitler. In any case, in the end, in 1938, the German-Polish-Hungarian-Romanian alliance would not have stood a chance against the three strongest countries in Europe.
@@BartoszLimanowski By the way, as far as I remember, Romania also refused to let the Red Army through to save Czechoslovakia, but didn’t Romania and Czechoslovakia have mutual allied agreements then?
You need to keep this series going! This could be really interesting!
Just watched my older video on this topic. I'm glad I was able to figure some stuff out, but looking back at it, my ending was very bad. I agree with your interpretation way more. Keep uploading, so I can keep learning!
Don’t mind me I just came to say hello.
I was surprised by the opening 🗿
The opening was so cool ! Amazing 😊😊😊😊😊
1:14 Poland would probably join the war on the side of Germany. Polish-czechoslovakian relationship were absolutely horrible at that time because of Zaolize. Poland was one of the countries that carved up Czechoslovakia during the Munich crisis and many polish politicians adored Hitler
And risk being labelled an enemy by the interventionist west? That's basically suicide. Poland would rather join the Allies side if that region could be ceded as compensation for Polish involvement.
@@gengarzilla1685 that's a fair point. I just wanted to point out that if Britain and France had not defended Czechoslovakia, then Germany, Hungary and Poland would attack it. I simply don't like the popular idea that Poland was some kind of Germany's nemesis because it was too showing its very expansionist and imperialist tendencies
Poland was basically stronger Belarus in the 30'. They're would try to Expander They're territory but would never do anything They're big ally, for Belarus It's Russia, but for 30' Poland it was France and UK, Poland would never side with enemy of UK and France with They're historical path. Siding with Germany for any big war wouldn't be possible if there were other options, Polish government choice a war with a huge population loss over that siding with German on the Gdańsk corridor, so Poles could grab closest Polish speaking regions, nothing more.
Belarus could've been given to the Poles.
@@lmaocetungXF
Czechia was not annexed, they where vassalized as the former leader of Czechoslovakia now just Czechia as Slovakia basically considered themselves independent (until Hungary made moves against them) was desperate for protection and Hitler was the only one willing to provide it on the condition that former Austrian industry was returned to Germany.
czechoslovakia was annexed, some deal with hitler was just a show because when this deal wasnt even done german army was alredy on czechoslovak territory.
@@tommort8360 Czechoslovakia no longer existed by the time the Czech state was absorbed into Germany. It was reestablished by the Soviet Union. During the entirety of WW2 there was no Czechoslovakian nation. Only Czechia and Slovakia as separate political entities.
Brilliant video, would love a Part 2!!! Appeasement ought to have either never been done, or else followed to its logical conclusion. Defending Czechoslovakia made far more sense than declaring war over Poland's invasion and then doing nothing about it.
Can you make a "What if everything went PERFECT for Japan" video?
What if history went perfect for Poland?
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Oh this is a topic il love to hear
yes/tak
Best possible timeline is Piludski survives. Hitler really liked Piludski and was considering inviting Poland to an alliance if he lived
It will end with Poland having best space program in world with first person on moon be pzzvvcczvz kwolsjski from Krakow. So Poland can into space
I think the axis would divide Yugoslavia before invading the USSR if they saw the West were not intervening, bringing Bulgaria into the alliance in the process
Amazing I will definitely use this as one of my scenairos!
There should be a continuation to this ngl.
Great video! I really like the narration!
Maybe a longer: what if Czechoslovakia didn't concede to the German demands
Do a video on: "Was WW2 overall good or bad for the USSR"?
WW2 caused:
enormous death toll of the country
a ton of land gained once the war was over
basically ownership of half of germany, poland, all of romania and hugnary
a good grip on an international scale
a lot of destruction of the country
animosity between the communists and the west
Was it overall good or bad for ussr?
Pretty mildly, ussr lost many man buy they gained a superpower position , but if germany never invaded ussr they will invade germany and gain influence anyways, causing less destruction
It's a big stretch that USSR would achieve nothing in Finland and just collapse against Germany.
The Finland one yeah but the Germany one is pretty obvious
I wouldn't be so sure, one of the main reasons that caused finland to cede their territories to the USSR was the lack of oil, in this timeline they have a lot of support from the west
@@b3ygghsas Finland had support irl.
@@abrvalg321 He said in the video that finaldn got a lot more support in this timeline and even volunteers
@@b3ygghsas did you study history at all or just propaganda from reddit?
irl Finland got 12k volunteers, 350 planes, 500 howitzers, 100k rifles, 160mln bullets, 2,5 mln shells.
war with finland would not have happend because stalin backed on the idea that the alais were distracted by the war with germany
What if everything went perfect for Spain? (I think this would be most interesting if you start at the war of Spanish Succession)
Would love to see a continuation of this. The alternate Cold War sounds fascinating
Regarding the Winter War, you forget that Norway and Sweden refused passage of French and British troops through their territory. While the main reason for this in our timeline is that they did not want to aid France and Britain while they were at war with Germany, there would still probably be fears that the Western Allies would occupy the Swedish iron mines and the adjacent Norwegian coast. It is at least more complicated than presented here.
What people tend to forget and also don't like to mention because they don't want anything positive to be said about the big moustache man is that Germany's case for a lot of the things they requested wasn't really unjustified. I think this is really important when talking about appeasement. People always talk about Austria-hungaries instability and how it wasn't really right for the Austrian empire to be so overextended with other nationalities but Yugoslavia and chzechoslovakia were basically just mini Austria Hungary's. Chzechoslovakian identity didn't even exist before the creation of that state and was only created as a counter balance to the fact that Germans were so numerous in chzechoslovakia they needed a majority that was sizable enough to keep the germans in check. To give you an example.more Germans lived in chzechoslovakia then slovaks with most of them living in majority areas. Same goes for Ukrainians, poles , hungarians and slovaks. All of these areas didn't actually want to be part of chzechoslovakia. Just after ww1 the Austrian republic was born which included all sudeten territories and immediately tried to join the weimar republic but was forbidden from doing so. Then the sudeten territories were ripped from the Austrian republic and given to chzechoslovakia. They were promised certain rights they never got in the end. The germans of chzechoslovakia genuinely wanted to join Germany but chzechoslovakia wouldn't have it and suppressed all political activity and the germans pretty much themselves. They even put forward a bill which I don't remember which was about German rights in chzechoslovakia (political and otherwise) that was actually rejected by the chzechoslovakian state. I genuinely think it wasn't unreasonable at all for Germany to demand these territories as the people themselves wanted to join Germany. But after the Munich agreement the other minorities in chzechoslovakia wanted to join their respective nations as well and the country crumbled in on itself. Germany took advantage of it and made some chzechoslovakian government officials sign for Germany to "stabilise the region" and make a protectorate while dividing the other areas to the other nations like Hungary for example.
What if everything went perfect for Poland???
Ironically it did...
@@TheRezroI wouldn't describe losing your entire country for 200 years as "perfect"
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Video idea: what if the Oster Conspiracy happened?
Here's one for you, what if Operation Valkyrie had succeeded?
British would cry. That was worst option.
Acting like the allies were not aware of german crimes against humanity Is a good joke
They weren’t, concentration camps started being used after ww2 started in 1939
Very interesting I gotta say. I guess this video could also be titled what if the Allies focused on the Soviets instead of the Germans in the 30’s and 40’s or something along those lines. Great video, and great alternate history you’ve made
Early Barbarossa was so successful because they caught the societs completely off guard, which lead to the decimation of the soviet army. To assume that the same situation would unfold in this timeline is just lazy writing.
Remember if the allies are at peace with germany they can send supplies through the baltic with impunity, the main issue with it was it would be attacked in the baltic especially if it was the soviets and germans at once but with only the soviets it should be manageable
Also because heightened allied intervention the soviets would likely cal it a war of liberating the Finns against the western tyranny because their defense is thanks to western support, irl the Finns made it clear there was no liberation because they resisted on their own but here the idea is tangible by saying the western forces are proping up their government so it would likely be more decisive than in our timeline
9:00 I think Romania would be part of the Italian bloc rather than the German one
What If Possible History Wasn’t the Best Alternative History RUclipsr?
Consideration that the soviet union would definitely be ready for that kind of invasion . Soviet officers where not stupid and unlike our timeline that Stalin hold back the soviet army at the start in fear of getting bad diplomatic with Germany, we could definitely expect a great stall at the start of the war since the whole soviet army would be waiting for the germans and not sitting still like they were in our timeline ,their airforce wouldn't be easily destroyed in the airfields. We could definitely expect some germans advance after 6 months of war. But to expect german war machine to do better is just unrealistic even without allied bombings. We could totally expect some allied help to the Soviets ,since western powers even do didn't like the communists the didn't like the idea of a Continental nazy Germany. My best guess would be that white peace after a war more grinding than our Soviet-german war of our timeline . With perhaps the a coup from the army and a early break of the soviet union.
Reminds me of an idea I had for a Scenario I called The War that Came Late. Basically the War started in the Mid 40s as an excuse to play with late and post war toys.
Bit ASB, but I had fun with it.
What if Eastern Rome was able to resist the Rashidun Califate and keep the levant & Egypt?
Ibn would actually get his wish and die in battle like he always wanted. He then gets honored due to his inspiring courage by both Romans and Arabs, who mourn for his death 💀
Idea: what if history went PERFECT for Spain?
It's weird Japan wouldn't take advantage of the crumbling situation with the Soviets to score Siberia and improve their image in the eyes of the West
i REALLY want a part 2 to this
To be honest, it is very difficult to predict what will happen next. Will France and Britain intervene in the coming civil war in the Third Reich? which warlord will unite Ukraine? which warlord will unite Belarus? which warlord will unite the Baltics? Which warlord will unite Central Asia? it's all very unpredictable
Y'know those crimes would be less, just as the death toll in this time line, since the mass murder only happened after 1943 when Germany got pushed back.
"I conquered Europe simply by asking"
Idea: What if the Decembrist Revolt in 1825 succeeded?
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Hitlie successor would be Speer(TNO REFERENCE)
the good old general patton “we fought the wrong enemy” timeline
You got the Japan section completely wrong. While the Japanese navy wanted south-east Asia, the Japanese army wanted Siberia and with a crumbling Soviet regime there's no doubt the latter would have won the internal power struggle and Japan would have gone north-west instead of attacking the Allies.
7:38 Disagree on that. The Japanese mostly attacked becauce of the Oil embargo. Which was in Place because of Anexion of French Indo China. Oil Embargo wouldn`t hapen in this Timeline. After the first defeats of the Soviets, Japan would attack the Soviet Union.
Someone needs to make a hoi4 mod for this
could you please continue this scenario into the cold war?
Oh jesus christ no, this looks like it's going to be painful...
can i ask Possible History what about the last poll you did on the versailles peace treaty it's a was month already?
I would love a continuation of this scenario!
In the setting the Japanese wouldn't have to strike at the west for oil while USSR is in complete decay. They would have strike north
i love how this is just tno but the allies are unaffected and the japanese are crushed
The vintage narrator sounds perfect. Good job!
Great video as always I like narration you added and wish to see this in future videos
Can you please make a video on what if the three cousins (Tsar Nicolas the 2nd, Kaiser Wilhelm the 2nd, and King George the 5th,) (Russia, Germany and the U.K.) allied together in WW1 against (for example) France, Austria, Italy, and the Ottomans. I know it's kinda unrealistic, you can change stuff around to your liking of course and I believe it would be a good video idea, but not impossible for Possible History!
vid idea: what if France started ww1 and declared war at the German Empire or Austria Hungary
Germany would have likely crushed them since Britain wouldn't enter the war and blockade them.
When's the next viewer poll video?
What if the constantinople conference was accepted and the 1877 russo turkish war doesn't happen?
This is like a really weird version of TNO and TWR.
Only main issue I have with this is the absence of a world map.
I’d assume the Germans stop at the Ural Mountains though
Video idea: what if the Iberian wedding never happened?
May 8, 1945. Neville Chamberlain in a bid to preserve peace in Europe cedes the last remaining county of the UK to Germany following another territorial demand by Hitler
Another amazing video
Video idea: what if the ottomans won the great turkish war
When will the video about the viewers deciding the borders of post ww1 be released?
What if the Vikings had succeeded in settling Vinland? I think it would require a change of mindset such that they didn't discount the notion of learning from indigenous people, and perhaps allying with them.
What if Franz Ferdinand became Franz II? I though about this scenario a lot and I think it would be the Catholic pipe dream (he wanted to reorganise Austria Hungary federally in a Catholic centered and not German culture centered way). It would be interesting to hear your thoughts on this.
The reason for Indian independence was British desire to reduce the costs from their colonies, because of devastation from the way and increased costs from the NHS.
Why, in this scenario where neither are likely, does India gain independence?
i love the microphone
Can't wait for Late Midieval Empires video! Hope you had a good break PH
Less go have been waiting for this
What if the Entente powers won WW1 please!
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What if the sudentenland was given to Germany in the Munich argeement but it was declared a demilitarised zone for the German army with the Czech army still allowed to deploy there. Ie it was only a civilian transfer and the military borders remained the same?
Great usage of ai voices, hopefully you will use it more in the next videos ❤
Not even joking I had to write a paper on this two nights ago
Scenario idea: what if the Otsu incident killed Nicholas the second
"I made an oopsy poopsy with appeasement" - Neville Chamberlain, 1939.
"I made an oopsy poopsy with declaring war" - Neville Chamberlain, 1940.