What I like best about this channel is that it comes at Asoiaf from a different angle. It points out stuff that I don’t normally notice. Also attitude and demeanor is a big part of it. Gotta like how things are presented. Not going to mention names but some people are as pleasant as listening to styrofoam being vigorously rubbed against itself.
Someone brought up the burning of the ships from The Silmarillion. These were the ships stolen from the Teleri by the Noldor, who were led by Feanor (his name means "Spirit of Fire". Incidentally, his mother was "consumed in spirit and body" shortly after his birth, "strength that would have nourished many has gone forth into Feanor.". Feanor is also responsible for capturing the light of The Two Trees when making the Silmarils), an atrocity referred to as the first Kinslaying, an action for which Feanor, his seven sons and the Noldor were later cursed. These ships were used by Feanor to led his host from Aman across the sea to Middle Earth, but there were not enough ships for everyone, and the large part of this host led by Feanor's half brother Fingolfin, were left behind. Once across the sea, Feanor then ordered these ships burning rather than return for his brother, whom he had a grievance against. Those left behind trudged up north to cross the Helcaraxe, the Grinding Ice, into Middle Earth. Feanor, shortly after arriving in Middle Earth, was slain by the lord of the Balrogs, and "for so fiery was his spirit that as it sped his body fell to ash, and was borne away like smoke." Damn, does Feanor read a lot like Azor Ahai here.
I love how no matter how much you disect ASOIAF there are always more layers of symbolism to uncover. The trees have also been one of my favorite elements of this story. Great job tonight!
I Really love the combination of Gray Waste T doing the actual story happenings and Dave layering in the symbology. It’s a great combination! Sometimes it feels ultra deep, but GRRM clearly layered in such intricate symbology. I’m thankful that someone realizes it and does the research because it adds so much more to the whole story when you realize how much the story lines are tied together. It’s mindblowing!
Thanks for bringing 🔥🔥🔥to my Sunday once again. Had my hopes up for that 6am est start this morning but I knew it was too good to be true. Shout out to the rest of the 12-hour wait club!
…in a van by the river! No, no, no! 😅 a Weirwood by the river… or a wood weir in the river… no matter what you talked about throughout the stream everything in/by the river I’m hearing Chris Farley in my heart!😂😊 Love your channel @DavidLightbringer 🥰 & love, love, love when you & Tim stream together! Thanks for another great video!
What if no weirwood faces were carved? This was just a thought I had and haven't gone back through the text to check it but what if the faces became frozen in agony and split open leaking sap when Azor Ahai corrupted the weirwood net? Like at once every weirwood screamed out to never awaken again.
@@anorangetabby Yes! 😁 Pet Pygmy Hedgehogs and wild UK/EU Hedgehogs that I rehab and release 😁 Alot of the pygmy hedgehogs we have here are elderly hogs and I usually have a radio/podcasts/long form talking videos on throughout the night to keep them company 🦔❤️
@@anorangetabby I'm stuck on the hedgehog thing too. They must be very interesting to look after. The real ones are much cuter imo than the cartoon ones
Absolutely no chance i expected a Burning Spear joke from David, worse yet that Janos Slynt would be a fan. You got me cracking tf up at 7 in the morning 😂😂😂
Great stream guys. Love Tim's comment about Adam Marbrand and the Marlboro man. I think GRRM probably did tell Amok, "think the Marlboro Man" in the middle ages.
The woman crying for Adam Marbrand could be like the sisters of Phaethon who weep and turn into poplar trees with the amber being their tears (trees weeping blood) If the world tree is set a blaze we could say that thematically the sky it holds up is falling which would tie in the comet shower event. Hence Phaethon's Chariot. Just started listening so maybe this is where this convo goes. Great stuff. Thank you.
you know I've never really made that sky is falling connection but yes you're right to characterize it that way. The tree is the cosmic acid, fuck it up and the seasons don't turn and the sky falls. perfect
@@DavidLightbringer Ya I really think a big factor in the seasons being messed up has to do with the pole star and the Precession of the Equinox idea. The pole star represents cosmic order as the stars and planets rotate around it (as you know) it is the hub of the zodiacal wheel and connects to the concepts of time/transformation/cycles/order. The orginal Weirwoods and Net would've represented the orginal order of existence, which was founded by the God on Earth and represented by the GEOTD. I think his descent and ascent is representing the growing of the orginal world/Weirwood (as a metaphor for the tree of life) and the pole star would be like the golden fruit of the fully grown world tree. (lemon tree) This is the "fruit" that Azor Ahai picks when he cuts down/burns/breaks the tree represented as the comet/sky falling and the order of the world breaking (so that Azor Ahai can remake it in his image as a demiurge/blacksmith) Nissa Nissa is the anvil, acted upon by AA. The mother nature/goddess/matrix who has her fire stolen and is reshaped into the new Weirwoods and network. The new order. Idk something like this but harnessing the power of the pole star in some way would be a cool magical but also semi grounded way to explain the seasons stuff. Last bit, the Heart of Winter is seemingly at the north pole and I agree it's probably a Weirwood. The pole star in this world is the blue eye of the ice dragon, and the one eyed blue dragon of the northern night sky is AA Nights King.
Nagga the sea dragon is based upon the Naga, or serpent people in India or Asia in general. But Nagga in the story is a sea dragon, which is based upon Hydra, the water snake constellation, which is best seen in the southern hemisphere. Whereas DRACO, is in the northern hemisphere. Which if we consider the northern and southern ends of a magnet, yes I am bringing this back to the weirwood magnetic tree field, then Draco is the red dragon and Hydra is the blue dragon, or fire and ice dragons, respectively. They represent the red northern pole of a magnet, red shift and the blue southern pole of a magnet, blue shift. Daemon has Caraxes, a red dragon and Aemond has Vhagar, which despite George saying he is bronze has bluish green highlights and Aemond has a sapphire eye, so we get blue symbolism. And they battle around the God's Eye, a symbol for Polaris and the north star, the eye of God. Their battle is another parallel for the song of ice and fire, for the two ends of a magnet. They are not merely named red and blue but when seen under the ferocell DO look red and blue.
This and the green weir wood videos have completely upended me. I really feel like we got one of the missing puzzle pieces with that calendar art. Now the screaming, bloody faces make sense! The weirwood trees we’re familiar with are the abominations and we have to turn them green by sticking those white walkers/others back in there.
Great symbology breakdown, as usual. Diarmuid (Dermot) is one of Finn MacCool's band of warriors heroes, the Fianna. He's also part of a love triangle with Finn and the princess Grainne. This particular tale (Diarmuid and Grainne) has often been interpreted as a myth about the changing seasons. The young god of summer usurping the older winter god, and claiming the fruits of the land. He crosses the Shannon to evade Finn and the pregnant Grainne develops a taste for Rowan berries. Also, to add to one of Tim's point, Orpheus loses his love Eurydice by looking back as he was leading her shade out of Hades.
The red eyes are from crying and the hands are from clapping at this prime content... Thanks guys, fantastic as usual. Daemon made some great but disturbing points about baby sacrifice as well!
The others are the original greenseers or shaman caste of the children but specifically the oldest of them who had been so consumed into the original weirwood-net that had at the time of their ousting so outlasted any animal familiar or even living memory of them so much so that they are essentially a sentience "wandering in dementia" to borrow a wonderful line from Cormac McCarthy, that cut off from the communal perpetual life of the weirwoodnet knows only one thing, that death and being forgotten is cold and lonely and they are jealous of the living.
Craziest coincidence….I was having a conversation on a FB page literally at the same time about the Swords and that Jon is the clearing house for so many Valarian swords (and Dawn). Speculating what sword Jon with wield in the Long Night. Who may wield Dark Sister (hadn’t considered Arya til you said it….love it)! I thought that maybe Ser Jorah may have it on behalf of Dany as a Targ wielding the Targ Sword. Longclaw being given back to Ser Jorah. Oathkeeper and Widows wail finding their way back into house Start via Brienne and possible Tommen giving Widows Wail back. It was so funny to hear you both saying the same sentences that we were saying realtime! Great conversation! Thanks!
They actually do bring it up in multiple videos, I don't remember off the cuff which ones but he definitely does draw from ER to talk about the Ice and Fire world.
I love that the seven kingdoms, and the different houses, have their own burial traditions! In the Stormlands and the Reach it seems like you bury someone under a living tree or bush, often on the south side of a hill so the sun can shine on them. The young Osgreys used to be green and golden boys eating black berries. Now the brothers are buried in the black berrys, black brothers dying on the Red Grass Field fighting for the Black Dragons, coming back from the black burial berries, sticky with sap and blood. Black brothers coming back from the blackberries.
Speaking of band names, are you aware that there's a heavy metal band called Lords Of The Trident who wear armour on stage? BTW, the HWS in my handle is Harold Weaver Smith: plenty of old-English name symbolism there, and entirely deliberate by my mother.
Watching this late, but having so much fun comparing your comments to Company of the Cat's video on the green men !!! It'd be incredible to see you discuss this topic😊
I hate to be this guy, but mar is a prefix that means related go the ocean or sea. The prefix you're looking for is Mal, as in malicious or malingering. I'd see a far better connection to them being connected to the sea people rather than being related to a bad event within the weirwood net
Yo Dave, if Adam Dragonman took counsel with the green men at the Isle of Faces, and Howland Greenman brought Rhaegar to the Isle, could it be that Azor Ahai/Night's King also had help from a group of green men/children as well?
A brand is also a flaming branch/stick you use to light other things on fire. It says the origins of their house are either from the coming of the Andals or when the First Men were still fighting the Children of the Forest (did the progenitor of House Marband burn a weirwood grove atop Ashemark and steal it from the Children?). Someone in the live chat also pointed out that a brand could be a flaming sword. More Azor Ahai symbolism.
Thanks for keeping me company while I fold laundry in a flu-induced haze!! I hope you don’t mind a theory-dump that this stream kind of helped work some of the bumps out of: So, much of the fandom talks about how it’ll be Jon and/or Dany will be the ones leading the Others to peace and Bran will be the “last king” of Westeros… but has anyone considered Bran as the last king of the Others? He’s committed all but one of the skin changer abominations (the last one seems inevitable) which the consequences of have never been explained (my theory is that committing the abominations allows you to be body-snatched by the Great Other) but IF Bran winds up being the final vessel of the Great Other it boils down to being Bran being a child who was unwillingly corrupted and yet still being- being a child- a “pure sacrifice” to neutralize the threat… he’ll regain his legs (one of his desires) and ultimately be a hero (another one of his desires, to be a heroic “white knight”) and Jon and Dany will either become unwilling monarchs (yet another example of “broken” Targ rulers) OR they will become the founders of a new house akin to house Dayne (who are probably descendants of The Last Hero who said ‘eff it- I’m going someplace warm) the power of bonding to dragons will be limited to the “most worthy”- much like House Dayne.
I believe that the reason that the wirewood door under the night fort only worked for Sam when spoke the night's watch vows is because Sam swore his vows at a wirewood originally.
I wonder from all the great videos you have made for all the symbolism and signs, I wonder which of them will be revealed in the books? We need a dawn age book series lol
This is me staking my claim for credit on the Addam/a dam! Also the Osgreys turning the weirwood net grey (Oz, wizard of Oz living in the Emerald City) much like how Renly's knights turn into a grey army with grey armor and grey banners.
@@anorangetabby honestly I feel so bad for Meera. Based on how Jojen is so confident sounding when he says (and accurately too) "today is not the day i die," we can assume he has a pretty good idea of what will happen to him up north. For a young kid he is very composed especially knowing he's gonna die there. But how did Meera feel about it? She loves Jojen very much and I wonder if she knew what the end of their quest looked like. Did Jojen confide any of his dreams to her? I think he might have told her he wouldn't be coming back but spared her too much info, probably assuming that wouldn't really help anything. Based on her sadness at the end of ADWD it's obvious she's aware what happened and might have even been there for, what we can assume was some kind of ritualistic blood magic rite. Pretty horrible stuff but I'm wondering about what exactly was happening in the cave
4:20 this reminds me of the whole dynamic of the original Lightbringer or Dawn and valarian steel being an attempt to recreate Lightbringer essentially The weirwoods we got now are like zombified puppets that are essentially being warged into by the greenseers. They are butchered and burning and in horrible pain I imagine that the weirwood spirits and the net were once all one, where there is no seperation between the Weirwood trees, the weirwood net, and the weirwood spirits but with Azor Ahai burning it, more than losing their homes,, the spirits were essentially forced out of their bodies Their life is artifcial, and they are essentially undead zombie trees that drink blood n shit
Also, any time something (particularly one individual/group) is burned (metaphorically or otherwise) can be a reference to Golveig (the witch, possibly another name for Freyja) from Norse myth. Burnt three times, rose again three times, actions which created (a form) of sorcery and are the opening steps of the Aesir-Vanir war. Then Mimir (wisdom) is killed in Vanaheim in a moment of rage, and his head sent back to Asgard. This results in a conflict that is ultimately resolved with an exchange of hostages, advice Odin received from the severed head of Mimir which he had preserved with herb magic
Is dawn in any way related to Ashais blighted oily stone? I think it could have been kept safe from corruption because it was with azor Ahai in the wierwood net when the cataclysm that poisoned Ashai happened (moon impact). Then the last hero emerged with it uncorrupted after his showdown in the wierwood net. Could it be a tool to enter the net?
The Morrígan is the Irish goddess of war, sovereignty and transformation. She is a shape shifting goddess who often decides who is the rightful king. (She is my matron goddess.)
The gold cloaks/golden company are Iike the fire wight/others army that serves firey Azor Ahai. Shadows wearing gold (fire) cloaks following the dragon as they conqueror and burn the forest.
I don't know if this will be relevant but the Morrigan is the goddess of war, death, and fate. Sometimes called the queen of air and darkness. Later called Mab queen of the winter fae...
So Marbrand would also mean, Water-Fire. Ha, that is the two alchemical processes of water and fire baptism, its red and blue shift of the magnetic weirwood field tree. Mer also means water, and -lin means LINE so Merlin means water line, which reflects the sky like a mirror. Connecting us back to PI and the waters above and below. The mirror being the firmament or Luna. Reminds me of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield, for Serwyn rhymes with Merlin.
"His father put him in the blackberries with the Other's." Could this also be a double symbolism for the Weirwood net but also just saying "He made him fight for the Blackfyres with his brother's." Since we do get Blackfyre/Blackberry references?
mr Lightbringer, think i may be solve somthing. the key is nissa nissa = La Cenicienta = Sinderella. here is my theory: Bran will be dragon eaten, because he is not a nissa (sinderella caracter) plus the boy insist in climbing it. all the desendants of the 5 kings war will die one by one in a king arthur- sinderella's shoe- dragon seed fashion
Ace of Swords = All Sword Cards Combined 2 of Swords = Challenge/Duality of Words Initiated 3 of Swords = Words in the Mind 4 of Swords = Physical Aspect of Words = Wind • Breath 5 of Swords = Artistic Use of Words 6 of Swords = Healing of Words 7 of Swords = Resonance of God's Words 8 of Swords = Dance of Words • 2 of Swords Manifest 9 of Swords = Words of Infnity Realized 10 of Swords = Words of Love Page of Swords = Learning of Words Knight of Swords = Integrity of Words Queen of Swords = Lamentations of the Meek Justified King of Swords = Transcending of Words For All
finally something interesting to watch, sorry mate but it was too much hotd. BTW it would be awesome to see you with michaeltalksaboutstuff makin content. Maybe he could be a guest in one of your livestreams or somethin, idk some form of colab would be cool.
Burning of a mythical tree which is a stand in for Ygdrassil... GRRM really just reused his ASOIAF lore when he made Eldern Ring lore didn't he? 12:41 In Elden Ring fire is considered heresy. With only a few flames considered strong enough to burn the Erd tree. That being the magma sorceries of Mt. gelmnir which combine the power of the start, volcanoes and serpents. The flame of madness which like a twin opposite to the faith of the erd treee and the flame of the fire Giants which is empowered by an otherworldly god of the forge. Setting the tree on fire is necessary to assume the possition of Lord and get Merika out of it. Merikas possition is kidna simmilar to the 3 eyed raven... kinda..? 13:39 ... really? The first sin in Elden Ring is an attempt by the snake worshippers to burn the erd tree. they're the first ones... and snake symbolism is also just ripped from the Garden of Eden. I am confused if I should be impressed or mad. 19:53 In Elden Ring the current Erd Tree is said to also be a parasite which came down in a meteor and ursurped the old 'Crucible' which was the OG tree. The Order imposed by it was ruled by dragons WHO CONTROL STORM so not even fire dragons, but lighting/storm dragons.
Tim and Dave is the duo we needed. These are the good days!
Totally agree. And random question, is your username in reference to the Ahhnold film/Phil K Dick story?
Yes! Now all we need is Winds for you two to Review. Sigh.
I don't think it will last
@@gerardjagroo hahaha i love it
The song 'Running' by Jamie xx and Gil Scott-Heron inspired me to create the name. =D@@ThommyofThenn
What I like best about this channel is that it comes at Asoiaf from a different angle. It points out stuff that I don’t normally notice. Also attitude and demeanor is a big part of it. Gotta like how things are presented. Not going to mention names but some people are as pleasant as listening to styrofoam being vigorously rubbed against itself.
Someone brought up the burning of the ships from The Silmarillion. These were the ships stolen from the Teleri by the Noldor, who were led by Feanor (his name means "Spirit of Fire". Incidentally, his mother was "consumed in spirit and body" shortly after his birth, "strength that would have nourished many has gone forth into Feanor.". Feanor is also responsible for capturing the light of The Two Trees when making the Silmarils), an atrocity referred to as the first Kinslaying, an action for which Feanor, his seven sons and the Noldor were later cursed. These ships were used by Feanor to led his host from Aman across the sea to Middle Earth, but there were not enough ships for everyone, and the large part of this host led by Feanor's half brother Fingolfin, were left behind. Once across the sea, Feanor then ordered these ships burning rather than return for his brother, whom he had a grievance against. Those left behind trudged up north to cross the Helcaraxe, the Grinding Ice, into Middle Earth. Feanor, shortly after arriving in Middle Earth, was slain by the lord of the Balrogs, and "for so fiery was his spirit that as it sped his body fell to ash, and was borne away like smoke."
Damn, does Feanor read a lot like Azor Ahai here.
I also get some Nymeria vibes here. Sailing away, fire demons, etc.
I love how no matter how much you disect ASOIAF there are always more layers of symbolism to uncover. The trees have also been one of my favorite elements of this story. Great job tonight!
Damn, that cat looks like it has a mink coat; luscious, thick, shiny.
Garnier Fructisse for cats has entered the chat.
Daemon is a sweet angel crafted by the gods, as all kitties are. 🙃
I Really love the combination of Gray Waste T doing the actual story happenings and Dave layering in the symbology. It’s a great combination! Sometimes it feels ultra deep, but GRRM clearly layered in such intricate symbology. I’m thankful that someone realizes it and does the research because it adds so much more to the whole story when you realize how much the story lines are tied together. It’s mindblowing!
Thanks for bringing 🔥🔥🔥to my Sunday once again. Had my hopes up for that 6am est start this morning but I knew it was too good to be true. Shout out to the rest of the 12-hour wait club!
Yeah that was freaking awesome. I didn't expect to have that much fun at 3am lol
…in a van by the river!
No, no, no! 😅 a Weirwood by the river… or a wood weir in the river… no matter what you talked about throughout the stream everything in/by the river I’m hearing Chris Farley in my heart!😂😊
Love your channel @DavidLightbringer 🥰
& love, love, love when you & Tim stream together! Thanks for another great video!
What if no weirwood faces were carved? This was just a thought I had and haven't gone back through the text to check it but what if the faces became frozen in agony and split open leaking sap when Azor Ahai corrupted the weirwood net? Like at once every weirwood screamed out to never awaken again.
This is a good concept. 👏
Thank you both for keeping me and the hedgehogs at the rescue company/entertained during the night shift 🦔❤️
Hedgehogs?! ❤
@@anorangetabby Yes! 😁 Pet Pygmy Hedgehogs and wild UK/EU Hedgehogs that I rehab and release 😁 Alot of the pygmy hedgehogs we have here are elderly hogs and I usually have a radio/podcasts/long form talking videos on throughout the night to keep them company 🦔❤️
You have the best job! Love hedgehogs ♥️😍 I hope you enjoy your shift tonight with David and Tim guiding us through the weirwoods
@@anorangetabby I'm stuck on the hedgehog thing too. They must be very interesting to look after. The real ones are much cuter imo than the cartoon ones
Do they get on well with echidnas
Absolutely no chance i expected a Burning Spear joke from David, worse yet that Janos Slynt would be a fan. You got me cracking tf up at 7 in the morning 😂😂😂
Great stream guys. Love Tim's comment about Adam Marbrand and the Marlboro man. I think GRRM probably did tell Amok, "think the Marlboro Man" in the middle ages.
Great discussion and outfits today!
cheers Dave! Thanks Tim!
The woman crying for Adam Marbrand could be like the sisters of Phaethon who weep and turn into poplar trees with the amber being their tears (trees weeping blood)
If the world tree is set a blaze we could say that thematically the sky it holds up is falling which would tie in the comet shower event. Hence Phaethon's Chariot.
Just started listening so maybe this is where this convo goes. Great stuff. Thank you.
you know I've never really made that sky is falling connection but yes you're right to characterize it that way. The tree is the cosmic acid, fuck it up and the seasons don't turn and the sky falls. perfect
@@DavidLightbringer Ya I really think a big factor in the seasons being messed up has to do with the pole star and the Precession of the Equinox idea. The pole star represents cosmic order as the stars and planets rotate around it (as you know) it is the hub of the zodiacal wheel and connects to the concepts of time/transformation/cycles/order. The orginal Weirwoods and Net would've represented the orginal order of existence, which was founded by the God on Earth and represented by the GEOTD. I think his descent and ascent is representing the growing of the orginal world/Weirwood (as a metaphor for the tree of life) and the pole star would be like the golden fruit of the fully grown world tree. (lemon tree)
This is the "fruit" that Azor Ahai picks when he cuts down/burns/breaks the tree represented as the comet/sky falling and the order of the world breaking (so that Azor Ahai can remake it in his image as a demiurge/blacksmith)
Nissa Nissa is the anvil, acted upon by AA. The mother nature/goddess/matrix who has her fire stolen and is reshaped into the new Weirwoods and network. The new order.
Idk something like this but harnessing the power of the pole star in some way would be a cool magical but also semi grounded way to explain the seasons stuff.
Last bit, the Heart of Winter is seemingly at the north pole and I agree it's probably a Weirwood. The pole star in this world is the blue eye of the ice dragon, and the one eyed blue dragon of the northern night sky is AA Nights King.
The symbolism is deep..good job fellas!
Another phenominal video, this is one of my all-time favourite topics!
This is really cool. I think you are really spot-on with this especially the symbolism
P.S. If you restart the stream after it ends, it helps the algorithm push it to people. 🎉
The face theory, as per usual, makes a lot of sense.
Nagga the sea dragon is based upon the Naga, or serpent people in India or Asia in general. But Nagga in the story is a sea dragon, which is based upon Hydra, the water snake constellation, which is best seen in the southern hemisphere.
Whereas DRACO, is in the northern hemisphere. Which if we consider the northern and southern ends of a magnet, yes I am bringing this back to the weirwood magnetic tree field, then Draco is the red dragon and Hydra is the blue dragon, or fire and ice dragons, respectively. They represent the red northern pole of a magnet, red shift and the blue southern pole of a magnet, blue shift.
Daemon has Caraxes, a red dragon and Aemond has Vhagar, which despite George saying he is bronze has bluish green highlights and Aemond has a sapphire eye, so we get blue symbolism. And they battle around the God's Eye, a symbol for Polaris and the north star, the eye of God.
Their battle is another parallel for the song of ice and fire, for the two ends of a magnet. They are not merely named red and blue but when seen under the ferocell DO look red and blue.
Always love the combo of David and Tim. Really great stuff guys
Thank you for the stream. I’m sorry that I missed it live but excited to watch it now.
Love some symbolism to start the week
Food for thought all week really
Awesome stream today! 💚
europraising too hard, fell asleep.. lovely to catch up!! more eurofriendly streams, those are hilarious too
Awesome video as always, I love when you and Tim do videos together!
Now we know what's taking TWOW so long, GRRM can't make up his mind which sword to give Jon.
This and the green weir wood videos have completely upended me. I really feel like we got one of the missing puzzle pieces with that calendar art. Now the screaming, bloody faces make sense! The weirwood trees we’re familiar with are the abominations and we have to turn them green by sticking those white walkers/others back in there.
Great symbology breakdown, as usual.
Diarmuid (Dermot) is one of Finn MacCool's band of warriors heroes, the Fianna. He's also part of a love triangle with Finn and the princess Grainne. This particular tale (Diarmuid and Grainne) has often been interpreted as a myth about the changing seasons. The young god of summer usurping the older winter god, and claiming the fruits of the land. He crosses the Shannon to evade Finn and the pregnant Grainne develops a taste for Rowan berries.
Also, to add to one of Tim's point, Orpheus loses his love Eurydice by looking back as he was leading her shade out of Hades.
The red eyes are from crying and the hands are from clapping at this prime content...
Thanks guys, fantastic as usual. Daemon made some great but disturbing points about baby sacrifice as well!
Catching up on a few vids
Thanks for holding the banners aloft :)
Praise Garth, and skål
2:00:30 "if I look back I am lost"
2:06:37 Addam and Leaf
Great stream! Thanks guys, still couldn’t figure out how to become a squisher.
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In Westeros, maples make human syrup.
Lmao that's so perfect yet so dark 😂 genius. Need this on a shirt with Jojen's face!
Wonderfully symbolic. Great work guys.
Ah damn what a great stream, shame I missed this one fellas
Late to this party, but great video. Praise Garth 🌲🦌
another great stream. love watching you guys breakdown symbolism!
Just on the rewatch…(was flying back from NY) thanks for your work guys! Dave and Tim❤
The others are the original greenseers or shaman caste of the children but specifically the oldest of them who had been so consumed into the original weirwood-net that had at the time of their ousting so outlasted any animal familiar or even living memory of them so much so that they are essentially a sentience "wandering in dementia" to borrow a wonderful line from Cormac McCarthy, that cut off from the communal perpetual life of the weirwoodnet knows only one thing, that death and being forgotten is cold and lonely and they are jealous of the living.
Most enjoyable. Thanks, guys
Great stream thanks dave and Tim
Yas more Lore Chanyl! So stoked to praise garth and dive into this.
The God's Eye trees being green with naturally ocurring face is a huge relevation, thanks for informing us.
Craziest coincidence….I was having a conversation on a FB page literally at the same time about the Swords and that Jon is the clearing house for so many Valarian swords (and Dawn). Speculating what sword Jon with wield in the Long Night. Who may wield Dark Sister (hadn’t considered Arya til you said it….love it)! I thought that maybe Ser Jorah may have it on behalf of Dany as a Targ wielding the Targ Sword. Longclaw being given back to Ser Jorah. Oathkeeper and Widows wail finding their way back into house Start via Brienne and possible Tommen giving Widows Wail back. It was so funny to hear you both saying the same sentences that we were saying realtime! Great conversation! Thanks!
Tim, I love your kitties!!! Kitty scritches right from the start ❤
Wait. Burning trees? I think George put parallel symbology in Elden Ring's lore.
Im surprised no one seems to be paralleling the two.
They actually do bring it up in multiple videos, I don't remember off the cuff which ones but he definitely does draw from ER to talk about the Ice and Fire world.
The treees are alive with the sound of muuuuusic 🎶 🎵 AAAaaaahh
I love that the seven kingdoms, and the different houses, have their own burial traditions!
In the Stormlands and the Reach it seems like you bury someone under a living tree or bush, often on the south side of a hill so the sun can shine on them.
The young Osgreys used to be green and golden boys eating black berries. Now the brothers are buried in the black berrys, black brothers dying on the Red Grass Field fighting for the Black Dragons, coming back from the black burial berries, sticky with sap and blood. Black brothers coming back from the blackberries.
A1 personalities at play here. Both of yall keep doing what you're doing. Be yourselves. Please and thank you.
Speaking of band names, are you aware that there's a heavy metal band called Lords Of The Trident who wear armour on stage?
BTW, the HWS in my handle is Harold Weaver Smith: plenty of old-English name symbolism there, and entirely deliberate by my mother.
also Elden Ring lore has lots of powerful red-haired “kissed by fire” demigod/ancestry - all GRRM themes if i had to guess.
Another epic video 🎉
In the Tussle of the T-shirts, it is we, the common people, that are the true winners
Always late to watch, but it’s always so great!
Watching this late, but having so much fun comparing your comments to Company of the Cat's video on the green men !!! It'd be incredible to see you discuss this topic😊
If you think about it, a Marlboro does kill you from the inside out.
turns your lungs grey..
Lyanna dying in a bed of blood, in a tower, after giving birth to the prince who was promised 😮
Good video
Here for all the Burning Spear jokes ♥️ 😂
I hate to be this guy, but mar is a prefix that means related go the ocean or sea. The prefix you're looking for is Mal, as in malicious or malingering. I'd see a far better connection to them being connected to the sea people rather than being related to a bad event within the weirwood net
Mar also means 'to mark or disfigure' in English
Yo Dave, if Adam Dragonman took counsel with the green men at the Isle of Faces, and Howland Greenman brought Rhaegar to the Isle, could it be that Azor Ahai/Night's King also had help from a group of green men/children as well?
A brand is also a flaming branch/stick you use to light other things on fire. It says the origins of their house are either from the coming of the Andals or when the First Men were still fighting the Children of the Forest (did the progenitor of House Marband burn a weirwood grove atop Ashemark and steal it from the Children?).
Someone in the live chat also pointed out that a brand could be a flaming sword. More Azor Ahai symbolism.
💚 Layers and layers
U guys killed Dunk n Egg!
Thanks for keeping me company while I fold laundry in a flu-induced haze!!
I hope you don’t mind a theory-dump that this stream kind of helped work some of the bumps out of:
So, much of the fandom talks about how it’ll be Jon and/or Dany will be the ones leading the Others to peace and Bran will be the “last king” of Westeros… but has anyone considered Bran as the last king of the Others? He’s committed all but one of the skin changer abominations (the last one seems inevitable) which the consequences of have never been explained (my theory is that committing the abominations allows you to be body-snatched by the Great Other) but IF Bran winds up being the final vessel of the Great Other it boils down to being Bran being a child who was unwillingly corrupted and yet still being- being a child- a “pure sacrifice” to neutralize the threat… he’ll regain his legs (one of his desires) and ultimately be a hero (another one of his desires, to be a heroic “white knight”) and Jon and Dany will either become unwilling monarchs (yet another example of “broken” Targ rulers) OR they will become the founders of a new house akin to house Dayne (who are probably descendants of The Last Hero who said ‘eff it- I’m going someplace warm) the power of bonding to dragons will be limited to the “most worthy”- much like House Dayne.
I believe that the reason that the wirewood door under the night fort only worked for Sam when spoke the night's watch vows is because Sam swore his vows at a wirewood originally.
I wonder from all the great videos you have made for all the symbolism and signs, I wonder which of them will be revealed in the books? We need a dawn age book series lol
Oh dear… Reeeeeaching 🤦♀️
Please George, 12 years is too long! We need it now!!!
oh dear, an ASOIAF reader who doesn't understand symbolism. tragic
This is me staking my claim for credit on the Addam/a dam! Also the Osgreys turning the weirwood net grey (Oz, wizard of Oz living in the Emerald City) much like how Renly's knights turn into a grey army with grey armor and grey banners.
thank you Sean! the a dam thing is awesome
@@DavidLightbringer I was kidding I'm sure I'm not the first person to see "a dam" hahaha
Two and a half hours of GOLD...or weirwood actually
Two and a half hours of weirwood blood. 🧛♀️
@@anorangetabby yes...it's weirwood..sap
@@ThommyofThennYes ....sap....that's what that thick, gooey red stuff coming out of the trees who eat people is...sap...😉
@@anorangetabby honestly I feel so bad for Meera. Based on how Jojen is so confident sounding when he says (and accurately too) "today is not the day i die," we can assume he has a pretty good idea of what will happen to him up north. For a young kid he is very composed especially knowing he's gonna die there. But how did Meera feel about it? She loves Jojen very much and I wonder if she knew what the end of their quest looked like. Did Jojen confide any of his dreams to her? I think he might have told her he wouldn't be coming back but spared her too much info, probably assuming that wouldn't really help anything. Based on her sadness at the end of ADWD it's obvious she's aware what happened and might have even been there for, what we can assume was some kind of ritualistic blood magic rite.
Pretty horrible stuff but I'm wondering about what exactly was happening in the cave
4:20 this reminds me of the whole dynamic of the original Lightbringer or Dawn and valarian steel being an attempt to recreate Lightbringer essentially
The weirwoods we got now are like zombified puppets that are essentially being warged into by the greenseers. They are butchered and burning and in horrible pain
I imagine that the weirwood spirits and the net were once all one, where there is no seperation between the Weirwood trees, the weirwood net, and the weirwood spirits but with Azor Ahai burning it, more than losing their homes,, the spirits were essentially forced out of their bodies
Their life is artifcial, and they are essentially undead zombie trees that drink blood n shit
I just realised - when you say that someone has manipulated someone , you say that they have them wrapped around their littlefinger.
Also, any time something (particularly one individual/group) is burned (metaphorically or otherwise) can be a reference to Golveig (the witch, possibly another name for Freyja) from Norse myth. Burnt three times, rose again three times, actions which created (a form) of sorcery and are the opening steps of the Aesir-Vanir war. Then Mimir (wisdom) is killed in Vanaheim in a moment of rage, and his head sent back to Asgard. This results in a conflict that is ultimately resolved with an exchange of hostages, advice Odin received from the severed head of Mimir which he had preserved with herb magic
Jon will not wield a sword. In his final form he has a flame shooting out of his forearm, when his hand will be cut off.
Is dawn in any way related to Ashais blighted oily stone? I think it could have been kept safe from corruption because it was with azor Ahai in the wierwood net when the cataclysm that poisoned Ashai happened (moon impact). Then the last hero emerged with it uncorrupted after his showdown in the wierwood net. Could it be a tool to enter the net?
The Morrígan is the Irish goddess of war, sovereignty and transformation. She is a shape shifting goddess who often decides who is the rightful king. (She is my matron goddess.)
The third Targaryen sword is the dagger.
The owner of said dagger carved HER prophecy onto it.....
(Maybe show cannon only)
The gold cloaks/golden company are Iike the fire wight/others army that serves firey Azor Ahai. Shadows wearing gold (fire) cloaks following the dragon as they conqueror and burn the forest.
I don't know if this will be relevant but the Morrigan is the goddess of war, death, and fate. Sometimes called the queen of air and darkness. Later called Mab queen of the winter fae...
1:02:00 four kings = forkings of rivers?
"and now there are three!" copies of the book, three branches of the trident
We need more Tim-put! Don't just "grey waste" away, talk bro lol
Does Mance use a greatsword when he fights Jon? Would be cool if Mance ends up teaching Jon how to fight with Dawn.
Are there more stories of the weir people in your thoughts?
Better to be tree faced than two faced
11:15 also, Mar means Sea in Portuguese (brazil)
So Marbrand would also mean, Water-Fire.
Ha, that is the two alchemical processes of water and fire baptism, its red and blue shift of the magnetic weirwood field tree.
Mer also means water, and -lin means LINE so Merlin means water line, which reflects the sky like a mirror. Connecting us back to PI and the waters above and below. The mirror being the firmament or Luna.
Reminds me of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield, for Serwyn rhymes with Merlin.
"His father put him in the blackberries with the Other's." Could this also be a double symbolism for the Weirwood net but also just saying "He made him fight for the Blackfyres with his brother's." Since we do get Blackfyre/Blackberry references?
So who was the three eyed crow before Blood Raven??
I really.wosh there was even one clue about this
Where can I get GWT's sick shirt?
Adam isn’t English Aegon. Aegon is Sean, Shawn, Jack, John, Johnny, and of course Lorathi Jaqen.
mr Lightbringer, think i may be solve somthing. the key is nissa nissa = La Cenicienta = Sinderella. here is my theory: Bran will be dragon eaten, because he is not a nissa (sinderella caracter) plus the boy insist in climbing it. all the desendants of the 5 kings war will die one by one in a king arthur- sinderella's shoe- dragon seed fashion
Ace of Swords = All Sword Cards Combined
2 of Swords = Challenge/Duality of Words Initiated
3 of Swords = Words in the Mind
4 of Swords = Physical Aspect of Words = Wind • Breath
5 of Swords = Artistic Use of Words
6 of Swords = Healing of Words
7 of Swords = Resonance of God's Words
8 of Swords = Dance of Words • 2 of Swords Manifest
9 of Swords = Words of Infnity Realized
10 of Swords = Words of Love
Page of Swords = Learning of Words
Knight of Swords = Integrity of Words
Queen of Swords = Lamentations of the Meek Justified
King of Swords = Transcending of Words For All
talkin' about Ash trees and Adam the first man and original sin, nobody tell David about Askr and Embla
finally something interesting to watch, sorry mate but it was too much hotd. BTW it would be awesome to see you with michaeltalksaboutstuff makin content. Maybe he could be a guest in one of your livestreams or somethin, idk some form of colab would be cool.
Maegor gets his sword stolen and yall already mentioned Sam and taking Heartsbane.
Burning of a mythical tree which is a stand in for Ygdrassil... GRRM really just reused his ASOIAF lore when he made Eldern Ring lore didn't he?
12:41 In Elden Ring fire is considered heresy. With only a few flames considered strong enough to burn the Erd tree. That being the magma sorceries of Mt. gelmnir which combine the power of the start, volcanoes and serpents. The flame of madness which like a twin opposite to the faith of the erd treee and the flame of the fire Giants which is empowered by an otherworldly god of the forge.
Setting the tree on fire is necessary to assume the possition of Lord and get Merika out of it. Merikas possition is kidna simmilar to the 3 eyed raven... kinda..?
13:39 ... really? The first sin in Elden Ring is an attempt by the snake worshippers to burn the erd tree. they're the first ones... and snake symbolism is also just ripped from the Garden of Eden. I am confused if I should be impressed or mad.
19:53 In Elden Ring the current Erd Tree is said to also be a parasite which came down in a meteor and ursurped the old 'Crucible' which was the OG tree. The Order imposed by it was ruled by dragons WHO CONTROL STORM so not even fire dragons, but lighting/storm dragons.
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