Less talked about but i also see a ton of ageism which is DUMB. Do y you not get older? We are all passing THROUGH time! Every one will die one day me, grrm, your pets etc and that's ok. How many of us could write a novel at age 40? And they're seriously making mock of a guy who has devoted decades of his life to his storytelling? I'm sure fools japed at Da Vinci for taking 16 years to finish the Mona Lisa. Who's laughing now? Or should i say, who is smiling enigmatically now? The Mona Lisa that's who! Because Leonardo FINISHED HER EVEN THOUGH IT TOOK TIME
"Fish ate scales from his eyes" Scales = coins --> covered eyes --> coins for The Ferryman --> Fish = The Ferryman. THEREFORE: the Deep (Ones) Ferryman took Damp-Hair past death
When Aeron preaches in a town of fisherfolk, some cast down their hoes and follow him. With thralldom being less common now, I assume these are freemen and can use some of their vacation/pilgrimage days. Or if they're thralls, don't they have to check with their ironboss to see if it's ok?
Ngl, I have been labouring under the delusion that Squishers ARE Deep Ones, rather than hybrids. Now I get to watch the Ironborn series again with new lenses. Give thanks for infinitely-rewatchable content!
Imagine how pissed the deep ones were when the Ironborn started reviving their drowned human sacrifices. Gives a new twist to the words, "we do not sow."
no that's part of it, check out the Deep Ones video originally the drowning was a test to see if you have Deep One hybrid DNA. the failures get patchfaced and turned to thralls and servants
It's just hilarious to me that they literally worship the ocean lol. Just as an example I'm from Ireland a tiny little Island in Northwest Europe. It rains 250+ or 300+ days a year here and it can sometimes seem like it rains 365 days a year. I've never seen anyone here who doesn't HATE the rain. It's so bad that if it's 12 degrees Celsius and sunshine you will see people in shorts lol. But the Ironborn would be the equivalent of Irish people shouting to the sky on a nice day... "Oh Glorious Rain God... hear me now, take this awful Orange demon away and bless us with your glorious water, drench us in your most depressing, miserable squall so that we may drink forever in your watery halls" 😂😂😂😂
@@irieite9666 just what your ancient ancestors did. If you've heard of Manannan Mac Lir, he is the son of Lir ( or Lyr in wales), the celtic god of oceans.
Michael Talks About Stuff is worth checking out too. These two channels got me back into asoiaf theories again. Michael's Nettle-Nan and Wall theories are insane. His Wall theory is canon in my mind.
@@mausklick1635 Here is a link to one of several streams we've done with MichaelTAS. I also like to recommend the Timeline Heresy series if you check out the playlist tab! ruclips.net/user/livegyRmJoAsFfw?si=XluZ3IUKYic8ZDqy
The iron isles and their mythos are one of the most interesting for me, we are lucky we have them being present in the main story and books, they could easily be a three-paragraph page about some eastern islands in the world book but we have them in the main land and taking action, so cool. Thanks for the video, I'll watch it later with something to eat
Loving all this content coming out 👏 I've enjoyed listening to this on my hour long commute to my work. The layers in this story are just amazing. And thank you David for sharing your ideas and insights so a broader audience can share in the depth of these stories. And with the Deep Ones, you cannot be sure how *deep* the story really does
I really hope we see a resurrected Sawayne Botley in Winds OW as a crew member on Euron's ship. Harder, stronger, squishier, and a lot more queit. Maybe Euron has so much animosity towards the Drowned God because he knows that the Drowned God- the dying and rebirth as a thrall- glorifies a parasitic relationship. On the other hand, Euron having a closer relationship to the Drowned God/squishers than Aeron would be really interesting, and explain how he was able to sail through dangerous places.
Just realized that in Aeron I the Damphair mentions that they should have healed Urrigon’s hand “the old way, with fire and salt”. This foreshadows the healing of Victarion’s Hand by Makorro. Victarion then says that “Two gods are with him” - The God of Fire, and the God of Salt
So I can't claim to be an expert in pouring molten metal on people, but based on my memory gold melts at around 1000 degrees Celsius so I'm pretty sure it would cauterize any wounds it caused so I don't think Viserys would have bled.
@@Grogeous_Maximusthis is the main thing. Maybe they have higher carbon/more pure coal/ fuels? Not trying to establish a theory, rather my own questions in the light of your own
More than just a NDE? He does have a major personality shift and so did Patchface... The building blocks are here. This will be good to watch at the full lore video level
I loved this! I feel like I need to listen to this again because there’s so much here and in the word play and number symbolism and different references to religion, that it just creates more layers of reality in the world. I keep thinking of the who,e concept to of ‘as above so below’ and things in the above world reflecting events under the sea or mirrored back in a way. Really enjoyed this! Thank you for this breakdown!
Yes you absolutely can drown and resuscitated and it's fairly reliable and consistent. I've seent it happen during Marine swim school with my own 4 eyes.
You touched on something very important to better understanding things early in the vid.* Some of the truly bizarre stuff is easy to gloss over because we read other, less weird things fairly often. We've had a chance to read the entire series a few (lol) times and we simply accept some things because..well, that's just how the story is. Yeah Dampair is a weird guy but I had been reading him more as an ultimately frightened man who, unable to confront his childhood scars, has buried himself in dogma to fill in gaps in his sense of identity. I appreciate being asked to close-read his dialogue and look at it in a more open minded way. It's actually so freaking awkward how his relatives are plotting a very worldly war of conquest, then he comes in unbidden, loudly exclaiming religious mantras. When you further characterised wights as 'robots' waiting to be activated, i suddenly saw Aeron in a new, disturbing light. It's a bit less scary when we get his POV, but I'm currently on Jaime II in my AFFC read and I'm really looking forward to reading Aeron's upcoming chapters. Thank you😊
Tyrion was dressed in motley when he fell in the Rhoyne. And he is a wit, who drinks and used to tumble. Is it possible he died and was brought back? Could he be subtly influenced by the Deep Ones now? That would be very interesting once he reaches Dany and Kings Landing…
It’s interesting, there is a huge personality shift when he becomes drowned, with parallels to cult membership, but the added factor of the deep ones speaking through him seems compelling
The squishers+Iron Born have a lot in common with the Sahuagin of the Krakkenauricht (details in Havens of the Great Bay) - suffice to say the Sahuagin (Sah-hwa-ghin) once had an ancient undersea civilization - until the coming of the Kraken! (In Cerilia "The Kraken" is an Awnsheigh, a being infused with the power of the dead god Azrai, it laid waste the Sahuagin civilization and made them worship only it) l. Sort of an inversion (yet odd parallel) of George's work on the subject of fishmen lol
Awesome video! At 1:41:00 an idea came to my mind. What if Aeron doesn’t necessarily die but is transformed into a Kraken, considering he has already been an instrument of the deep ones?
Happy New Year! I think my favourite videos are your Deep Ones / Ironborn ones. You and Grey Waste Tim discussed this during one of your Oldtown videos and I’m of the same opinion of GWT that I don’t think GRRM will specifically show any Deep Ones / Squishers in the main story - as it is too big as it is without bringing in another Others-esq villain. That being said, I do believe there will be some unreliable sources that mention the mermen attacking some people in Oldtown I don’t think they’re fully save Aeron, but I do wonder if he will “die/drown” during the battle and that’s the last we see of him as he envisions the Drowned God taking him to his halls. But in reality we are supposed to believe that the Squishers have just grabbed his corpse or something like that
Appreciate your effort brother. You should finish these book for us - George won't/can't and If Sanderson gets hold of the IP we're all F'ckd. Anyways, love that you're still into it with passion. cheers.
The others raise ice wights, Beric and Catelyn are fire wights. The ice wights are called ice wights in the books but I don't think Beric or lady stone heart are explicitly called fire wights but since they're raised from the dead with fire magic I think it's fair to call them that. The Aeron and Parchface wight idea is a little more speculative but the text is pretty clear that they both drowned and were revived.
The Damphair may actually have a degree of magic to his voice. It would make sense how the Drowned Priests have held onto a huge amount power despite their being a relatively small number of true believers. Plus the recurring motiff of Aeron using his voice as a weapon. And the fact that you known that he is an actually physically reborn holy man with a psychic link to "the sea". It would make him like many other enchanters throghout literature and folklore who have magically compelling voices. Including vampires and their half human offspring the Damphair is likened to.
What I appreciate about ASOIAF the more I listen to theories and excerpt is- I'm sure there's a vague mythology and magic that George is using. And I don't think it'll ever be explained in the books. Because I don't think he finds that part important. Wierd magicy stuff is happening the the characters, and understanding it doesn't seem like its in their future. Just like life, the likelihood that those players will ever understand it is nearly impossible. They just have to live and act is the magicy stuff happening around them. We can try to understand, but at the end of the day, that's just the world. We are like the magisters. Collecting stories and thoughts of players in the game, and trying to understand it as much as possible.
In Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe (a series you should 100% analyze on this channel), the protagonist has a NDE at the beginning of the story in which he jumps into a river full of water plants and is suddenly tangled in them and dragged to the bottom. Just as he is drowning he sees a vision of a gigantic woman in the water and he is thrown back onto shore. Later in the series he speaks to the same creature, and throughout the series there is reference to two titanic cthulu-like ocean-dwelling creatures that are similar to Satan in the world of the book. I haven't been able to find any interview with George where he talks about Gene Wolfe but I suspect he was a fan.
What is the scope that you foresee with regard to resurrection? Davos, Varamyr, Catelyn, JS, Dampfayr, the list and spectrum is quite long now. To what end?
I think it's just another kind of magic that's running around the world. people can see the future through different means, people can send their spirits out of their bodies through different means, and people can be resurrected through different means
as far as things go, it ties into the idea of cycles of nature, grasping for immortality, sacrificing others for you own power, slavery (the wights being enslaved)
I had a thought and googled it, couldn't find anything, I don't remember seeing it in any of your videos. Without getting too into it, has anybody talked about Iron Islanders possibly being Atlanteans? Orkmont, orichalcum, them insisting the come from west of Westeros, sea levels rising, etc
The main thing we do is make a lot of small edits to increase the pace so that it's just a faster and smoother watch. then we add a bunch of extra art, which I'm not able to display while I'm also following notes on the original live stream
I appreciate the quicker pace and better art! Sometimes the clips you pull out of streams are little substories / subexplanations / subtheories. But this one was the whole shebang, just tightened up, which is great!
The Grey King reminds me of Noah restarting civilization after a great calamity. Noah seeing a rainbow as proof that God wouldn't flood the Earth again also makes me think about Renly's Rainbow Guard. Azor Ahai and Night's King are sort of prophets for the greater magical forces of Planetos. Prophets, a few if not most, are known for foolishness, indulgence, and/or pride (Noah, Moses, David, Solomon), and that aptly describes Azor Ahai and Night's King. So the weirwood/merling(?) characters (Varys, Catelyn, Sansa), what are they, angels intervening in human affairs? p.s. on a related note, if you haven't read Cain by Jose Saramago, I highly recommend it.
Maybe Melisandre is scared of patchface because he is from the water and water kills fire. Or even further, he might be part of her demise. Wouldnt it be interesting if she was drowned in the end?
When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry, and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. That is when the Winds of Winter will be published.
Sorry if you bring it up later but also Patchface's mother tongue is probably not westerosi so him not being able to speak as coherently as Damphair does would make sense as well as him dying as a child.
So what if euron will try to sacrifice aaron and he fails? I'm sure that amuses euron well enough. Until the kraken he summons actually favors aaron over him that is. Or the ritual fails due to aaron living, with fatal consequences to euron. Would he sacrifice himself instead, for the greater cause, he's insane after all. Ah at 1:40:30 you mention this. I was impatient ;)
Yo, btw the Drowned God might be totally real. Elden Ring has a fishy-merman-squid undead and soulless solar king who spreads his metaphysical tentacles and manifestations throughout the realm. At the end of the questline related to him we find him buried at the foot of the world tree, where we enter his dream realm and fight his wighted/undead/curse-infected dragon buddy Fortissax. And you never guessed who murdered the Drowned God('s soul): the princess whose explicit goal is to usher in the Long Night (she killed her own body in the process, too, so now her soul lives in a four armed doll; that was the actual goal, she didn't care about the golden boy, she just needed someone to bear the other half of death for her. I'm not making anything up, I swear!).
I just noticed as you were reading this, that Damp hair's feet are black, what's up with that? All the time he spends in the water should leave his feet pale and pasty looking. I know some people like Meribald who walk around all the time bare footed might end up with black feet from all the dirt. Is GRRM just implying that his feet are dirty? Or is this a sign of blood pooling in the extremities? Also, do you see any connection between bones and souls. Like the wights seem to be able to ambulate until their bones are broken. I feel like all of these acts of reanimation have something to do with shadows of the soul left behind after death. Sorry, one more thing, what is Aeron's future in the story? Will the downed god or the squishers save him?
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Thank you for being the only corner of the internet that isn't incredibly depressing and soul sucking in the modern era
The way you put clues together is unreal my man we appreciate you
Just immense thanks for keeping the POSITIVE flame of ASOIAF alive. Too much cynicism going around by far, and your channel is a sanctuary!
Honestly i find it low key pathetic to mock a talented writer for taking a long time to weave a literary tapestry of such beauty and power
Less talked about but i also see a ton of ageism which is DUMB. Do y you not get older? We are all passing THROUGH time! Every one will die one day me, grrm, your pets etc and that's ok. How many of us could write a novel at age 40? And they're seriously making mock of a guy who has devoted decades of his life to his storytelling?
I'm sure fools japed at Da Vinci for taking 16 years to finish the Mona Lisa. Who's laughing now? Or should i say, who is smiling enigmatically now? The Mona Lisa that's who! Because Leonardo FINISHED HER EVEN THOUGH IT TOOK TIME
@RolloTonéBrownTown highkey pathetic. Hard to imagine they've written anything profound themselves.
Outside of House Stark, the Greyjoys are my favorite pov chapters. They are so mysterious and different from each other
Another great video my man. Your ability to make these feel “off the cuff” or exploratory, while being so thorough, is exceptional.
Good and interesting take!
"Fish ate scales from his eyes"
Scales = coins --> covered eyes --> coins for The Ferryman --> Fish = The Ferryman. THEREFORE: the Deep (Ones) Ferryman took Damp-Hair past death
When Aeron preaches in a town of fisherfolk, some cast down their hoes and follow him. With thralldom being less common now, I assume these are freemen and can use some of their vacation/pilgrimage days. Or if they're thralls, don't they have to check with their ironboss to see if it's ok?
There's also clearly a Biblical parallel with the language. When Jesus heals a blind man, it says that "scales fell from his [the blind man's] eyes"
Thank you for the continued content! Really appreciate your great work.
patchface got damphaired!
The art for the thumbnail 👌
excellent as always. needs more Reading Rhaegar.
Ngl, I have been labouring under the delusion that Squishers ARE Deep Ones, rather than hybrids. Now I get to watch the Ironborn series again with new lenses. Give thanks for infinitely-rewatchable content!
it doesn't really matter what names people use - there are the fish beings, and they create hybrids, and that's basically the deal
@@DavidLightbringer But do they smoke seaweed?
@@Grogeous_Maximus asking the real questions
It would honestly be pretty wholesome if the drowned god smites Euron on Damphair's behalf. It would wrap that storyline in a nice little bow.
I was just thinking this.
Imagine how pissed the deep ones were when the Ironborn started reviving their drowned human sacrifices. Gives a new twist to the words, "we do not sow."
no that's part of it, check out the Deep Ones video
originally the drowning was a test to see if you have Deep One hybrid DNA. the failures get patchfaced and turned to thralls and servants
Easy to find but I love the thumbnail on that episode too much not to
ruclips.net/video/67NrU0uZo2k/видео.htmlsi=4Vfz3G02RECoIXr4
It's just hilarious to me that they literally worship the ocean lol. Just as an example I'm from Ireland a tiny little Island in Northwest Europe. It rains 250+ or 300+ days a year here and it can sometimes seem like it rains 365 days a year. I've never seen anyone here who doesn't HATE the rain.
It's so bad that if it's 12 degrees Celsius and sunshine you will see people in shorts lol.
But the Ironborn would be the equivalent of Irish people shouting to the sky on a nice day...
"Oh Glorious Rain God... hear me now, take this awful Orange demon away and bless us with your glorious water, drench us in your most depressing, miserable squall so that we may drink forever in your watery halls"
😂😂😂😂
@@irieite9666 just what your ancient ancestors did. If you've heard of Manannan Mac Lir, he is the son of Lir ( or Lyr in wales), the celtic god of oceans.
Also you wouldnt hate rain if you'd have gills and could breath both on land amd water
So glad I'm not the only one deeply interested in Aeron's story.
Maybe one of the new songs can be an ASOIAF/Dave version of pirate metal
George is such a genius and without your channel, most of it would have flown completely over my head.
Fr. Finding this channel and realising the massive amount of depth I missed was both humbling and "enthralling!"
Michael Talks About Stuff is worth checking out too. These two channels got me back into asoiaf theories again. Michael's Nettle-Nan and Wall theories are insane. His Wall theory is canon in my mind.
@@inthefade the one that posits Weirwood roots growing through the wall and the creative method of "watering" them right? Yea that was outstanding
@@mausklick1635 Here is a link to one of several streams we've done with MichaelTAS. I also like to recommend the Timeline Heresy series if you check out the playlist tab!
ruclips.net/user/livegyRmJoAsFfw?si=XluZ3IUKYic8ZDqy
The iron isles and their mythos are one of the most interesting for me, we are lucky we have them being present in the main story and books, they could easily be a three-paragraph page about some eastern islands in the world book but we have them in the main land and taking action, so cool. Thanks for the video, I'll watch it later with something to eat
That dopamine hit when discovering cool connections we've never even considered
I Like it a lot : )
Keep it up
Great video. The secret squisher agenda is my favourite I really hope we actually get to see it in the books
Loving all this content coming out 👏 I've enjoyed listening to this on my hour long commute to my work. The layers in this story are just amazing. And thank you David for sharing your ideas and insights so a broader audience can share in the depth of these stories. And with the Deep Ones, you cannot be sure how *deep* the story really does
Mind blowing as always 🤯
Atleast I can think about Greyjoy’s while stoned and recovering from being sick on the east coast
Same over here stomach bug on this coast is going around
Get well man. Aussie girl x ♥️, from Australia
yeah I'm sick too actually
@DavidLightbringer get well pumkin, we need you. X aussie girl.x ❤
Sick is the word for today tg it's not I need power anymore..
I really hope we see a resurrected Sawayne Botley in Winds OW as a crew member on Euron's ship. Harder, stronger, squishier, and a lot more queit.
Maybe Euron has so much animosity towards the Drowned God because he knows that the Drowned God- the dying and rebirth as a thrall- glorifies a parasitic relationship.
On the other hand, Euron having a closer relationship to the Drowned God/squishers than Aeron would be really interesting, and explain how he was able to sail through dangerous places.
Just realized that in Aeron I the Damphair mentions that they should have healed Urrigon’s hand “the old way, with fire and salt”.
This foreshadows the healing of Victarion’s Hand by Makorro.
Victarion then says that “Two gods are with him” - The God of Fire, and the God of Salt
Victarion's a BBQ wight
Hello friends. I like the title.. can’t wait to get home to watch
Delicious knowledge indeed. Thanks for the content Dave!
So I can't claim to be an expert in pouring molten metal on people, but based on my memory gold melts at around 1000 degrees Celsius so I'm pretty sure it would cauterize any wounds it caused so I don't think Viserys would have bled.
The gold wouldn't reach that degree in a cooking fire, so I'm not sure how realistic that scene is altogether
These are important details. Thanks
@@Grogeous_Maximusthis is the main thing. Maybe they have higher carbon/more pure coal/ fuels? Not trying to establish a theory, rather my own questions in the light of your own
More than just a NDE? He does have a major personality shift and so did Patchface... The building blocks are here. This will be good to watch at the full lore video level
i always dig the vids, but i get excited when youre excited :D
You have some of the best theories in ASoIaF. Sorry to have missed the stream, but thanks for keeping the video up. Cheers🎉
I loved this! I feel like I need to listen to this again because there’s so much here and in the word play and number symbolism and different references to religion, that it just creates more layers of reality in the world. I keep thinking of the who,e concept to of ‘as above so below’ and things in the above world reflecting events under the sea or mirrored back in a way. Really enjoyed this! Thank you for this breakdown!
Thank you so much for your work. It being such joy and positive thought in a world where it’s hard to find it sometimes.
Super impressed you’ve kept this channel going so long. Is this your full time job? Love the dedication, love the content!!
Oh boiii I Love these ironborn videos
Fantastic content. Love the lore.
Love this fucking channel. Most entertaining ASOIAF channel out there.
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Yes you absolutely can drown and resuscitated and it's fairly reliable and consistent. I've seent it happen during Marine swim school with my own 4 eyes.
4 eyes? sounds sus
@DavidLightbringer fours better than two bruh
Convince me by the end of the stream? Man I'm convinced at the title
You touched on something very important to better understanding things early in the vid.*
Some of the truly bizarre stuff is easy to gloss over because we read other, less weird things fairly often. We've had a chance to read the entire series a few (lol) times and we simply accept some things because..well, that's just how the story is.
Yeah Dampair is a weird guy but I had been reading him more as an ultimately frightened man who, unable to confront his childhood scars, has buried himself in dogma to fill in gaps in his sense of identity.
I appreciate being asked to close-read his dialogue and look at it in a more open minded way. It's actually so freaking awkward how his relatives are plotting a very worldly war of conquest, then he comes in unbidden, loudly exclaiming religious mantras.
When you further characterised wights as 'robots' waiting to be activated, i suddenly saw Aeron in a new, disturbing light.
It's a bit less scary when we get his POV, but I'm currently on Jaime II in my AFFC read and I'm really looking forward to reading Aeron's upcoming chapters. Thank you😊
so glad you got a kick out of the theory, it really was a lot of fun to talk about :)
Tyrion was dressed in motley when he fell in the Rhoyne. And he is a wit, who drinks and used to tumble. Is it possible he died and was brought back? Could he be subtly influenced by the Deep Ones now? That would be very interesting once he reaches Dany and Kings Landing…
Loved the video🎉
0:44 you got me this early in. 100% got patchfaced !!
Enjoyable as always!!
A conversation starting with "I've been thinking a lot about the Ironborn, lately" is gonna be good by definition
Yeeeeeees YEEEEES
It’s interesting, there is a huge personality shift when he becomes drowned, with parallels to cult membership, but the added factor of the deep ones speaking through him seems compelling
Patchface! Patchface!
That is the hat from the Natilie Portman Rap. I love it.
The squishers+Iron Born have a lot in common with the Sahuagin of the Krakkenauricht (details in Havens of the Great Bay) - suffice to say the Sahuagin (Sah-hwa-ghin) once had an ancient undersea civilization - until the coming of the Kraken! (In Cerilia "The Kraken" is an Awnsheigh, a being infused with the power of the dead god Azrai, it laid waste the Sahuagin civilization and made them worship only it) l. Sort of an inversion (yet odd parallel) of George's work on the subject of fishmen lol
Ahhh yeah another bed time story!
Awesome video!
At 1:41:00 an idea came to my mind. What if Aeron doesn’t necessarily die but is transformed into a Kraken, considering he has already been an instrument of the deep ones?
The shadows come to dance my Lord , Dance my Lord , Dance my Lord
When you said "it's me, it's you" I thought you were gonna end with it's us because of Bly Manor. It is great if you haven't seen it yet!
Bones of the soul, that deep connection, they do not die. As we know what is dead never dies.
Happy New Year! I think my favourite videos are your Deep Ones / Ironborn ones. You and Grey Waste Tim discussed this during one of your Oldtown videos and I’m of the same opinion of GWT that I don’t think GRRM will specifically show any Deep Ones / Squishers in the main story - as it is too big as it is without bringing in another Others-esq villain. That being said, I do believe there will be some unreliable sources that mention the mermen attacking some people in Oldtown
I don’t think they’re fully save Aeron, but I do wonder if he will “die/drown” during the battle and that’s the last we see of him as he envisions the Drowned God taking him to his halls. But in reality we are supposed to believe that the Squishers have just grabbed his corpse or something like that
Leave for the bathroom, come back to you wearing the helmet: "Oh, getting serious already".
Appreciate your effort brother. You should finish these book for us - George won't/can't and If Sanderson gets hold of the IP we're all F'ckd. Anyways, love that you're still into it with passion. cheers.
So...im not all that clued in on the lore, theories etc....we already have Fire Wights, Ice Wights, are Patchface & Aeron then Water Wights?
The others raise ice wights, Beric and Catelyn are fire wights. The ice wights are called ice wights in the books but I don't think Beric or lady stone heart are explicitly called fire wights but since they're raised from the dead with fire magic I think it's fair to call them that. The Aeron and Parchface wight idea is a little more speculative but the text is pretty clear that they both drowned and were revived.
Yay more content 🎉
I think you missed a LAST HERO 12 when Aeron got his dozen converts!
It's such a fun theory
Is there a connection to the Seastone Chair and the sacrificial weirwood in Whitetree? Definite parallels there!
43:10 Time to Shireen the green
The Damphair may actually have a degree of magic to his voice. It would make sense how the Drowned Priests have held onto a huge amount power despite their being a relatively small number of true believers. Plus the recurring motiff of Aeron using his voice as a weapon. And the fact that you known that he is an actually physically reborn holy man with a psychic link to "the sea". It would make him like many other enchanters throghout literature and folklore who have magically compelling voices. Including vampires and their half human offspring the Damphair is likened to.
ah great point about vampires and compulsion
I find it very interesting that the iron throne pierces and cuts unworthy kings and the sea throne wears you down, like water upon rock.
The "holy see" thing in relation to the papacy basically just means "holy seat", as in the throne the Pope sits on.
Right and George is riffing on that by referring to the sea itself as the holy seat, but then it also makes us think of the Kraken throne
What I appreciate about ASOIAF the more I listen to theories and excerpt is- I'm sure there's a vague mythology and magic that George is using. And I don't think it'll ever be explained in the books. Because I don't think he finds that part important. Wierd magicy stuff is happening the the characters, and understanding it doesn't seem like its in their future. Just like life, the likelihood that those players will ever understand it is nearly impossible. They just have to live and act is the magicy stuff happening around them. We can try to understand, but at the end of the day, that's just the world. We are like the magisters. Collecting stories and thoughts of players in the game, and trying to understand it as much as possible.
I'd like to learn more about Harrenhal.
check out my Harrenhal vids then - I have a produced one and then a follow up livestream I did with Grey Waste Tim
@DavidLightbringer will do 👍
☄️☄️☄️sweeter the second time around !!!
Wait, could they have drowned at the same time ? Do we know when it was for Damphair ?
It's weird both switch from jester to prophetic person
In Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe (a series you should 100% analyze on this channel), the protagonist has a NDE at the beginning of the story in which he jumps into a river full of water plants and is suddenly tangled in them and dragged to the bottom. Just as he is drowning he sees a vision of a gigantic woman in the water and he is thrown back onto shore. Later in the series he speaks to the same creature, and throughout the series there is reference to two titanic cthulu-like ocean-dwelling creatures that are similar to Satan in the world of the book. I haven't been able to find any interview with George where he talks about Gene Wolfe but I suspect he was a fan.
yeah isn't a huge fan of Gene Wolf? interesting stuff, I'll have to peep it
Staghorn CORAL is a thing, which would make a great crown for a drowned king
What is the scope that you foresee with regard to resurrection? Davos, Varamyr, Catelyn, JS, Dampfayr, the list and spectrum is quite long now. To what end?
I think it's just another kind of magic that's running around the world. people can see the future through different means, people can send their spirits out of their bodies through different means, and people can be resurrected through different means
as far as things go, it ties into the idea of cycles of nature, grasping for immortality, sacrificing others for you own power, slavery (the wights being enslaved)
Finshed the video. I clicked the Like button, putting it at 666. Awaiting Squisher Cult membership card + drowning now plx
Great job! Thank you so much for such interesting content! 👄😻👅
Praise Garth.... Save Shireen!
The God requires sacrifice from all men. Even he who gritith his teeth and clenches jaw must pay the iron price.
I had a thought and googled it, couldn't find anything, I don't remember seeing it in any of your videos. Without getting too into it, has anybody talked about Iron Islanders possibly being Atlanteans? Orkmont, orichalcum, them insisting the come from west of Westeros, sea levels rising, etc
Also Aeron has seaweed hanging from his hair as Patchface's whole deal with his bells?
Lmao whoever said “is it time to stop saying praise Garth and start saying Burn Shireen” is unhinged and also my favorite commenter in our fandom
"I've edited it down"
:squints: 2:05:01
How long was the stream?!
3 hours
The main thing we do is make a lot of small edits to increase the pace so that it's just a faster and smoother watch. then we add a bunch of extra art, which I'm not able to display while I'm also following notes on the original live stream
I appreciate the quicker pace and better art!
Sometimes the clips you pull out of streams are little substories / subexplanations / subtheories. But this one was the whole shebang, just tightened up, which is great!
Yippee!!
Just for curiosity's sake: "See" in "Holy See" comes from latin "sedes", meaning "seat".
Woohoo!!!I agree 👍
I am concerned about the squishers fr bro what the fuck is their problem
The Grey King reminds me of Noah restarting civilization after a great calamity. Noah seeing a rainbow as proof that God wouldn't flood the Earth again also makes me think about Renly's Rainbow Guard. Azor Ahai and Night's King are sort of prophets for the greater magical forces of Planetos. Prophets, a few if not most, are known for foolishness, indulgence, and/or pride (Noah, Moses, David, Solomon), and that aptly describes Azor Ahai and Night's King. So the weirwood/merling(?) characters (Varys, Catelyn, Sansa), what are they, angels intervening in human affairs?
p.s. on a related note, if you haven't read Cain by Jose Saramago, I highly recommend it.
IRONBORN THEORY YEAH
Maybe Melisandre is scared of patchface because he is from the water and water kills fire. Or even further, he might be part of her demise. Wouldnt it be interesting if she was drowned in the end?
When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry, and the mountains blow in the wind like leaves. That is when the Winds of Winter will be published.
indeed
So glad we are calling the other what’s they are. Vampires.
Sorry if you bring it up later but also Patchface's mother tongue is probably not westerosi so him not being able to speak as coherently as Damphair does would make sense as well as him dying as a child.
one day you're gonna have to bite the bullet and do a lovecraft deep dive
iirc a rusty hinge is like a rusty trombone but you squeak while doing it
Over thinking on the ol damp hair. 😂
Leesssssgooooooo
In the show Tywin tells Tyrion that when he was born he wanted to carry him into the sea and let the waves take him. Tywin secret Deep Ones cultist?
When u brought up the whale 🐋 my mind went to whale fur from dune
Do you think aeron getting patchfaced could be inspired by the story of jonah and the whale from the bible
some, yes
1:44:52 Hammering waters, you say?
So what if euron will try to sacrifice aaron and he fails? I'm sure that amuses euron well enough. Until the kraken he summons actually favors aaron over him that is.
Or the ritual fails due to aaron living, with fatal consequences to euron.
Would he sacrifice himself instead, for the greater cause, he's insane after all.
Ah at 1:40:30 you mention this. I was impatient ;)
Yo, btw the Drowned God might be totally real. Elden Ring has a fishy-merman-squid undead and soulless solar king who spreads his metaphysical tentacles and manifestations throughout the realm. At the end of the questline related to him we find him buried at the foot of the world tree, where we enter his dream realm and fight his wighted/undead/curse-infected dragon buddy Fortissax. And you never guessed who murdered the Drowned God('s soul): the princess whose explicit goal is to usher in the Long Night (she killed her own body in the process, too, so now her soul lives in a four armed doll; that was the actual goal, she didn't care about the golden boy, she just needed someone to bear the other half of death for her. I'm not making anything up, I swear!).
was confused until 29:39 when i realized Aeron isn't Euron lol
I just noticed as you were reading this, that Damp hair's feet are black, what's up with that? All the time he spends in the water should leave his feet pale and pasty looking. I know some people like Meribald who walk around all the time bare footed might end up with black feet from all the dirt. Is GRRM just implying that his feet are dirty? Or is this a sign of blood pooling in the extremities? Also, do you see any connection between bones and souls. Like the wights seem to be able to ambulate until their bones are broken. I feel like all of these acts of reanimation have something to do with shadows of the soul left behind after death. Sorry, one more thing, what is Aeron's future in the story? Will the downed god or the squishers save him?