I must say I am really surprised that 4070 didn't sell out. Though 600$ is simply too much for 'midrange' GPU class the past few years were so bad for GPUs that I have lost any believe that the PC HW market will ever get back to normal, but maybe just maybe Ngreedia went just too far pricewise and people are just sick of paying more every release.
At 600 minimum with partners charging more in uk...you can ho get a xbox or ps5 that runs hamesvthay look better in 4k 120hz with her on 65 TV. The new xbox and ps5 makes games look better and smoother on my oled TV than my 3080 can...pc gaming g is now a luxury product
1070 was 29% faster than the 980, 2070 was 16% faster than the 1080, 3070 was 26% faster than the 2080, and this fake 4070 is 3-5% SLOWER than the 3080. 1060 was 5% slower than the 980, 2060 was on pair with 1080, 3060 was 10% slower than the 2080, fake 4070 is 3-5% slower than the 3080. 1060 has 33% of full die cores, 2060 has 42% of cores, 3060 has 33% of cores, this fake 4070 has 32% of full die cores. Not to mention that this thing is only 30% faster than the 3070 while the uplift from Ampere to Ada is more than 70% (3090 to 4090). This is $400 4060, and not the $600 4070.
Yeah as I stated back at launch, it appears Nvidia just threw all the bones into the 4090 and then forgot about proper performance deltas for the remaining stack.
It's even worse if we include the price difference between the new xx70 and old xx80 970 was 138.3% more cost-efficient than 780 1070 was 86.7% more cost-efficient than 980 2070 was 39.2% more cost-efficient than 1080 3070 was 76.4% more cost-efficient than 2080 4070 is 9.7% more cost-efficient than 3080. The formula used: ((xx80 price / xx70 price) * speed increase) - 1.
Their strategy was clear from the start with the entire 4080 12GB disaster. They hoped that they could just increase the number by 1 tier and get everyone to overpay, setting a new standard for the future. It could have worked to be honest, but because the word "recession" is showing up again causing people to be a lot more critical. So in the end we didn't let them get away with it
the reality is that its a tier and a ti cause if you look at the numbers a 4070 is the same speed, problem with that is that the 1070 was 30% faster than a 980, 2070 was 20% faster than a 1080 and the 3070 was about 25% faster than the 2080, where is my 25% uplift over the 3080, hell id even take 15% this is why the 4070ti is the real 4070, 4080 being the real 4070/ti
Seriously this raytracing push is shameful, 4 years and still milking the the early adopter and claiming its matured. PC gamer have fallen so hard back then i remember PCMR hated checkerboard rendering of ps4 but they welcomed this shit dlss/xlss and fsr. Where are the Native Master Race???.
Actually, if you look at what they've done here is segment the cards more. The 4090 is the 4k enthusiast card...the 4080 is meant for 4k. The 4070ti is meant to give you a taste of 4k but really meant to be upper tier 1440p with that vram and buswidth limitation (they were REALLY trying to get away with murder calling it a 4080) the 4070 is solidly placed for 1440p. the 4060ti and 4060 are meant only for 1080p with that 128 bit bus
Still rocking a 1060 6GB (ASUS) from 2016, and I feel like I got incredible value out of this card. I paid 240 EUR for it brand new, and it's been an absolute workhorse. I've experienced no issues with it, even while overclocking, and I've been able to play most games on medium settings without any trouble. It wasn't until Hogwarts Legacy and Darktide came out that I started considering an upgrade, but I agree with you, the current offerings feel underwhelming.
That's because, never mind what they call this card, it is a 4060, not a 4070, just like with the new "4070ti" first being launched as a 4080. The oncoming 4060 should very likely have been 4050. All to squeeze every single dime they can out of people.
Why? It's not nvidia's fault that Radeon is an afterthought at AMD. Right now, there's only one serious player in the GPU industry, and with a functional monopoly, you get monopoly prices.
RUclipsrs are doing their job at pointing out the goods and the bads of the 4000 series. No need to go "justice warrior" on this one because the next step is always to go after the people who will disagree with your little boycott. Just let the people free to decide.
@@naturesown4489 this was true for last generation, but AMD is right back to being an inferior product and charging enthusiast tier prices for them. The 7900xtx is barely competitive with a card that should be the 4070 in a sane world. That's the best they can do at the high end.
@@kotztotz3530 I don't think you can say with confidence that it will "always be better". FSR is much more in its infancy than DLSS. Yes, DLSS is definitely much better at the moment. Also, lots of people can't access DLSS so for them there is no option but FSR. Also not a shill, I have a 3080 desktop and 3070ti. I just don't think that you can forecast with such complete confidence that DLSS will always be better than FSR.
Nah, it's gonna be a $50 bump across the board, but still offering more value than the 4000s. Nvidia is gonna be sick if the 4060s don't sell though. Just get a used 3000 for the love of God. And honestlyz the 3060 12GB is more impressive for price than the 4070 or 4060ti will be. Hella unlucky.
@@Saturntime33 To be perfectly honest... I think ray tracing has done more harm than good for the gpu market and consumers. 20 series was 4 years ago and this is the 3rd RTX generation, but somehow the technology is getting more expensive! Neither AMD nor Nvidia is even making non ray tracing cards anymore despite the fact that only about 125 games use RT... Thats including older games like Portal, Quake 2, and World of Warcraft... And also smaller or unexciting titles like Poker Club, Lego Builders Journey, and Fritz Chess 18. I'm ready for RT to git gud... Cuz right now, it's an expensive pain in the ass.
My undervolted RX 6800 also runs max 200W on a 550W PSU. I got it used for 400 EUROS end of last year. It also has 16Gb of VRAM and I can play almost all the games I play at 4K 60Hz. Why would I need this fake and overpriced 4060? lol
Agree, it’s one of the main reasons why I’m not interested in newer titles. So much unoptimised trash, hence why I’m losing interest in PC gaming altogether. I’m on RX580 8GB and it still does quite decent in the games I still currently play.
@@arizonawatermelon123 There's plenty of amazing games still being released, what are you talking about. Elden Ring was unplayable on PC for the first 6 months too btw lol
I'd never touch the used GPU market now that most of the cards had been mining crypto for years. A used card would have to be half its new price to risk it IMO.
They are really pushing the narrative this year that difference in frames on 40 series compared to previous gen ( due to frame generation ) is a big deal and everyone should get one..
Exactly what happened with RTX 20 series, Trying hard to sell gamers GPUs only on the basis of a few gimmicks rather than real performance. At least the 20 series didn't try to market 2060 as a 2070. RTX 40 is much worse.
The 40 series looking at it from every which way HAS been a disaster, the only card worth buying has been the 4090 & it's priced out of this world! The high ups at Nvidia need to take a look at themselves & ask whether they are still up to it, maybe Jensen needs to step down too & realise he's had his day because he's obviously so out of touch with the market there now. A nice golden beach with a towel is perhaps what he needs before he ruins everything for everyone & the sooner the better!!
@@KelvinKMS Couldn't agree with you more, what I meant is it is a great performance jump compared really to the rest of the GPU's in the 40 series but the price is ridiculous just like the rest of the 40 series price tags.
Definitely waiting for next gen which better have 16+g VRAM for less than or equal to $800, or I will simply swap back to a console and stream with a capture card in order to play with hot new titles.
I guess I'll use my 4 year old RTX 2080 for another 2 years. And then I'll quit gaming for good, cause there is no way the RTX 5000 series will be worth buying either.
The 4060 Ti and the 4060 will be competing directly with the used market. If they thought this was a flop, wait until they see the next two GPU releases. The 4070 was the last tier of new gen GPU models that they would have been able to carve a niche for and have something worth mass consumer sales, and it flopped. Everything below it unless it is dirt cheap, you are better off buying a used old gen GPU and saving tons of money. Nvidia knew this was coming and they thought their 600 dollar price tag was going to be a help to them. It's comical how bad this has gotten. Unless their goal is to sell out the remaining new 3070 stock before tanking prices, I have no idea what their plan was. Shareholders will not be okay with an entire generation of awful sales, and whether they fix that issue in this generation, or next generation, they will have to fix it. I thought this GPU would sell a lot better, but when you actually think about it, the 70 class GPU buyers are people who actually are concerned about value, whereas 70 Ti, 80, and 90 consumers are willing to spend more money and are less concerned with value. Being that the value accross the entire generation is awful, of course the most value centric tier was the largest flop.
Great review m8, very well nailed, as always. Funny thing is the cheapest 4070 in Ukraine is 800usd, MSI gaming trio 960usd. I'm happy with my used 3080 550usd not after miner with 1 year warranty.
I went 7900XT for $800 and they threw in Last of Us which, for some reason, runs perfect and smooth and detailed for me. Luckily bug free 2 hours into the game. What erks me about nVidia's approach is they use small ammounts of VRAM for planned obscelesence and then release limited access features like RT Overdrive bloated nonsense for Cyperpunk or Portal RT to try to create FOMO to sell overpriced cards that have Frame Generation available. Trying to force owners of previous 3000 series to sell and upgrade again less than 2 years later when those cards are still powerfull. I just find that underhanded. And people fall for it.
20gb of Vram for that price is a big middle finger to nvidia its great. I recently switched to AMD because of the VRAM issue. The drivers are really good actually.
@@Saturntime33 Drivers have been rock solid for me. People are full of crap saying otherwise. I know years ago that was not the case but I have been on AMD for 3 or so years now and they have been on point. Adrenalin control panel is very good.
It is not bad, it is just unexpectedly low spec for the price point. It performs in normal rasterization under the 3080 which is a 2 year old video card and was more accordingly priced, so basically Nvidia is selling you DLSS3 for 100$ more for less performance. Most of the games don't even have DLSS support except the AAA titles. I own ~1200 games AAA and indie titles how many of them have DLSS2... let's not talk about DLSS3? like 10% at the best? This should've been like a 300-350$ card that's my opinion.
@@ScreamerRSA Honestly unless you're playing brand new AAA games it makes no difference because as a 6950xt user, I don't even own a game that uses more than 9GB at 1440p. And if you do buy and play these brand new "benchmark" games for $70 each then you can afford a better graphics card in the first place.
I am personally at a point were upgrading is becoming a thing. My 1080 is still a good card but at 1440p it is showing its age. Due to this I was seriously thinking of going for the 4070 but I am hesitating. As this could have been really a interesting card if it was 499 like the previous 70 series msrp. Or the current price but with 16gb memory and 3080ti performance. Now at this odd placement of neither, it is making everyone (including me) to consider if waiting for a price drop or for the next generation is the way to go.
All I can say is I'm 100% on board with your statement. Still sitting on an i7 4790k/gtx 970. I'm ready and very wanting to upgrading finally. But....if I've waited this long I may as well hold on further. Or forget PC gaming all together.
Other options are also out of the picture really. 3080 is old technology at this point, less vram and uses more watts (which is a deciding factor these days). 4080Ti is too expensive and still the same 12 Gb vram as 4070. So I feel that it is just a bad choice to go for. And even though the Radeon cards are really good, they lack certain things that Nvidia provides. Maybe a 4070 16Gb version but who knows if that ever becomes a reality due to the Ti model already being out.
Same, we need to hold the line. I'll wait till a reasonable 4080 Ti happens or the 5000 series. Who knows, maybe PC gaming is no longer affordable for me
I am i the same boat with a GTX 10-series card. If these things are sitting on the shelves like this Greenidia has to do a price drop before the end of summer. That or i will just hold out for the next generation which will have 16GB, or perhaps get a 6950 XT?
Good video. My only slight disagreement would be the 4070 being a viable upgrade path for 2070 owners. For me, if I'm going to spend $600+ on a GPU after 4 years, I'd want more than 12GB of VRAM. This is less memory than current gen consoles, and ultra-high settings in new games are starting to scrape 12GB of usage, even at 1440p. Imagine dropping $600 on a brand new card, and already running out of video memory? An absolute deal-breaker, in my opinion.
It's a good upgrade for 2070 only in the fact that it's a drop in upgrade with the same power consumption but for 2X performance. I agree about the vram, but it's the only upgrade that makes it remotely make any sort of sense. I still agree it sucks tho.
I think the 4070 would be way more appealing if they either give the same performance and 16gb vram for about 550$, or the same performance, same vram for 500$. I bet, then this gpus would have been sold out in a mather of hours, or at least a few days. But with the current price, performance and vram, its simply nothing to get hyped about. And preferable the proces i mentioned would be the aib models, not the founders. /edit: It also would not have hurt to have slightly better performance, because a lot of people with 30 series cards would not really see any reason to upgrade,.. but if the vram would have been 16gb and the card would deliver at least 5 or 10% more performance, even 30 series owners would most likely sell of their 30 series gpus and get the 4070... Its sad to see... I really dont know what nvidia is thinking, about their whole line up. It doesnt make sense at the slightest... except the 4090, and maybe the 4080 if you can get it about 100-150$ below msrp or with a good bungle offer when building a new system. I can see the future... 50 series cards will be hyper inflated, because nvidia has to sell wharehoses of 40 series cards,.... Here we go again....
Additional VRAM isn't necessary but would be welcome. This isn't a 4070 not by a land slide. This is in actuality a 4060 if not a 4050. They're marketing it as a 4070 though. They're relying on DLSS and Frame Generation to make it look as though it's much faster than the last generation but it's a far cheaper card than previous 70 GPUs.
I’m on a 2070 super, and I’m wanting higher performance since games are starting to die to my 8 GB of VRAM, but the 4070 is just too pricey. At 600 I’d expect at least 16GB of VRAM and at least the same memory bus of the 3080 ti. Instead we got half-measures, on a 600 dollar card. If I weren’t broke I’d just grab a 6950 XT at this point. I like DLSS and ray tracing but Nvidia is trying their hardest to make me never their customer again. The 1070 was incredible, the 2070 super was a nice upgrade, and technically next up should be the 4070, but it just doesn’t put out like it should at that price point.
4080 to 4090 is like 30-40% performance gap for 20-25% more money. 4080 was only bought by people who had money for 4090 but there was no stock of 4090s. Now 4080, 70ti and 70 are all sitting on the shelves. 4080 sits on the shelves cause it's too expensive, it just exist to make 4090 and 4070 look good. 4070 and 4070ti will sit on the shelves because of price, only 12GB VRAM, plus they cannot do 4K due to VRAM and bandwidth and it's price is enthusiast only bracket, we usually know what we buy and this is a 60tier GPU priced as 80Tier literally.
I recently bought used RTX 2080ti for ~400$ and I was worried that this is a bad deal. Release of RTX 4070 showed me that it was good deal for money (at that time used 3070 costed ~400$). If I wanted to go for new card, I would go for RX 6950XT (I brought up prices below). I would like to have comparison between those two cards. In my country RTX 4070 is arround 690-851€ (766-945$ for today) depending on model. At my closest store the price difference is very small for the cheapest models. Actually some more expensive ones of RTX 4070 cost even 100€ more than RX 6950XT To be exact: AMD RX 6950XT is 746€ (only this model is available). For RTX 4070 the cheapest (Gainward Ghost) 662€ and the most expensive (Asus TUF OC) is 851€. Average models are priced at 765€.
@@edge8945 @Jason D Wimes Nice deal, but it couldn't happen in my country. The cheapest working 3060 (not even ti) costs 362$ with current exchange rate vs cheapest RTX 2080ti 428$. I had to buy some furniture, so my GPU budget was decreased and I switched from 1060 6gb. Options for my budget were 3060 / used 3060ti or 3070 / some kind of RTX 2080ti. I wanted card with at least 10gb of VRAM for 2k gaming, becuase I foreseen issues with 8GB cards, so I aimed for at least 3080. At the beginning I even didn't consider RTX 2080ti, but after research and searching through offers, it was the best deal. I am surprised how well this card performs after 4,5 year.
@@jasondwimes8612 But RTX4070 costs twice the price for mid AIB model and I wasn't willing to spend that much for GPU that I'll replace in span of 2 years. I upgraded from 1060 6gb and this is a HUUUGE leap in the performance.
I'm hoping the lack of sales lowers the price in a month or two when I upgrade from the gtx 970. I'd like to see the reviews and benchmarks of the 4060 (ti) before finally deciding.
I guess, only answer from AMD and Intel will hit that prices. - If AMD will deliver APU's with RDNA on desktop, or Intel will launch Alchemist+ it will shake prices of rtx3050/3060 and that 'wave' will go further upside. - Or if AMD will launch RX7800 for a good price, it will kill rtx4070s pricing.
Jensen thinks after his CRYPTO boom success he can PLAY the gamers again. No no Jensen this time we will play with your career in stead you greedy old man.
The only other thing that should be mentioned is that if you want a good card at the same level of performance as the 4070, then go buy a 6800 from AMD.
IMO this shows not only the undesirability of the price point, but should show to everyone just how many of the previous purchases were because of crypto. Anyone who still maintains crypto wasn't the primary driving force behind the GPU shortage is beyond hope.
This is Nvidia's slow cooking the frog model, they will bump up the pricing tier for all their models but offer less than historical improvements for those tiers. Their excuse is Moore's law is dead.. so they pass the cost onto the consumer. Forget innovating or improving their architecture.. consumers will pay more for less, the Huang has spoken.
4070 is a good Card, but should be a 4060 or 4050 and way cheaper. They're literally relying on DLSS, and AI Frame Generation to make it look like a fast GPU. The low power consumption is a good example of this. 4070 itself in my opinion is a good card. It's just shouldn't be called a 4070 nor should it cost as much as it does. I honestly want one of these GPUs but not for $600+. They'd have to cut it back $200 to $150 dollars to something more like $400 to $450 for me to want to buy it. I can go back to Capitalism 101. Technology is supposed to make things more affordable, not more expensive. We have smart phones that are as good as an early 2000s gaming PC for a fraction of the cost. Cost to value should go down not up, we shouldn't be paying more for less in short with each generation. Nvidia is ignoring this.
4090's at least in my area are also plentiful. This generation is a bust but I highly highly doubt nvidia care too much. They are making a majority of their money on the datacenter side of things and they are just fine. Look for the 5xxx series to be even higher in price.
I can tell it's already a sh!t launch simply by where I live. Here in Australia we are like the leftovers, Because market is so small here they don't ship much stock of anything, And yet all these 40 series is in stock not just the 4070, All overpriced garbage. If the 4070 was selling, It would be completely sold out here seeing as they would have only shipped a handful anyway and then any extra sold going on backorder.
I'm getting it. I'm building my first gaming PC so I'm starting at 0, I don't care about 4k gaming but 1440p is perfect for me. I don't play graphic intensive games, and I like it's low power usage
maybe some of europe will buy to save on energy costs, otherwise its just a 3080, after 3 years, lol. Where i am, a large SI discounted it by $130 on day 1 (making it within $50 of a used 3080), even then sales was slow. Again, its not bad, just priced bad, again. Jensen tried to create uproar with the 750 price, anchor expectations then drop to 600, sadly it doesnt work super well on the super price sensitive midrange buyers
I'm currently assembling my parts for a new build, a sff one at that, to replace my i5-3570k (yes 3rd gen ivy bridge intel) and 1070. Going from a 3570k to a 7800X3D is going to be awesome. I'll be sticking with the 1070 for now though since it's able to handle the games I'm currently playing. Maybe if the 4070 comes down in price I might consider getting one. Either that or I'll wait until something else that's a better value comes along, maybe an AMD/Radeon card.
It's coz we wanted them to discount the 3000 series with the release of the 4000 series. This way, they don't have to discount that 3000 series we got our eye on. Coz all of a sudden that price we didn't wanna pay por the 3000, is looking not so bad right about now 😅
It's not true. 8 Gb is more than enough for 1080 gaming, which is the resolution most gamers play on. (I have Radeon 6700XT, so I am not nvidia shill).
what about people who game at 1080p with a 144 hz monitor? could this card be a reasonable card for someone wanting a 1080p experience in ultra for the next few years? will the 12 gb vram hold back 1080p?
YES. If you plan on staying at 1080p for a few years. Its the 8gb of vram today that's effecting 1440p/4K titles with higher textures. The vram on AMD with 16gb from two years ago are holding up. 12gb of vram on newer cards seems like the minimum for high settings for a few years then DEAD. Thats why people are complaining.
@@Saturntime33 i understand the complaint, but was wondering how to make this passable, since it is already out. gamers who want to game in 1440p, will have to use dlss to get to ultra, it seems.
When I built my gaming PC 3 months ago I was ignorant and uneducated. So I pulled the trigger on a 3070 ti for $650. After reading and watching reviews on how Nvidia is screwing over their customers, I decided to buy an RX 7900 XT (for less than $800) as an F-U and middle finger to Ngreedia.
My wife needs to upgrade her 1080, I doubt I'll be getting her a 4070 tho, I'll prolly wait for amd's low-mid range rdna3 cards to launch and make a decision then based on prices.
Obviously, I won't buy a 40-series GPU. My 2070 Super is still doing somewhat fine for me at 1440p. I also lowkey wanna switch to Linux, so AMD is getting more attractive by the day.
In 2016 I got a 1070 new for $300. Let me know when this card, that is 2.4x faster but also cost 2x more, cost at most $350, as it should, and I'll consider it. Until then I'm hoping for AMD to release something 16gb mid range that is cheaper than this, to destroy this insanely overpriced 12gb low end card.
I just bought one I’m on a 2070 super so it was time 😂 I feel like if u alr have something close to the 4070 just keep it I wanted the FE so I got it from nvidia
C'mon, that's not even close to a realistic price. I'm no Nvidia lover or anything but the card isn't terrible even if it doesn't live up to expectations. There's no way it would've ever sold for 350.
for now, the 4070 only serves to lower the price of the 30 series. nvidia is smoking that good good with their continued insane pricing. they need to realize gamers are not crypto miners and will not pay outrageous prices for gpus.
If die sizes of 3090 and 4090 are comparable and performance of 4090 is 1,63x or 63 faster with very similar memory used, GDDR6X 21Gbps vs 19, then compare 4070 to bare 3060 12GB! Both have die size just 10perc difference, but so called 4070 uses GDDR6X, I would count it for say 10perc more performance thanks to memory and 10perc for slightly bigger chip. Nvidia 4070 is 1,93x faster (93perc faster) than 3060 12G. If you do 1,93/(1,1*1,1) you end up that 4090 generational 63perc uplift given by better node. Here you are -4070- but 4060 with 12G GDDR6X. So price should be related to 3060, just 10percent more, maybe-maybe little bit for better memory. Didn't Samsung 8nm wafer become cheaper in last 2years?
I need to upgrade my PC because my GTX 960 4 GB is way to slow. I could afford a 350 € card including 19 % sale taxes. That's about 325 $ without taxes. I could buy a 3060 12 GB for about 295 $ plus taxes, but that's only 10 € below MSRP. I think the 4060 will be priced at 350 $ to 380 $, but that's too much for me, especially with only 8 GB VRAM and about 33 % less Memory Bus Bandwidth. And because I want to start with machine learning / deep learning, I need the CUDA cores. So other manufacturers aren't appealing either. No easy decision to make. Whatever I do, it's gonna be a bad choice.
😂 4070 with high lagging 192 men bus. Just Another pure Scrap..GPU Jensen Dusebag had creating 😅 today buy , & next year will obsolete.😅 so much weaker than 3080
One thing most GPU reviews don't take into account is how GPU prices remained relatively constant from 10 series up to 30 series.. 40 series is the first time Nvidia started to account for inflation. With that being said if you compare previous gens price to performance adjusted to current inflation values you'd get a very close price to performance comparison. Albeit a little bit worse but, but still closer than you'd think. I don't meant to sound like an Nvidia fanboi but take inflation into account and you'd have an answer why 4070 is 100 dollars more expensive than 3070. $499 back in 2020 is $582 today.. Basically 4070 is roughly $17 more expensive than 3070 if you take inflation into consideration. Which you should. It just feels more expensive because you don't buy GPU every month like some groceries so you don't feel that prices on everything costs more today than they did two years ago.
All those low prices on ebay for 3080s are actually a bit scary. I would never pay 'only' 300€ for a 3080, it's way too suspicious. The 30s series has been the "Crypto mining" series. Al those GPUs u see have been under gigantic load for their whole life span, don't buy those. On my side, I sold my 3080 FE and got the 4070 FE instead. DLSS3, less power consumption and overall same (raw) performances against 3080 made it a weird but satisfying upgrade. Frame generation basically doubled my FPS compared to my 3080
its selling at 26 dollars above msrp in canada thats sad cause the 7900 xt is now 147 dollars below msrp and look what it does even better then a 4070 ti which is a paltry 80 bucks cheaper
😂 4070 with laggy 192 men bus. Nivida is threatening world gamers again by pointing a gun on gamer head again. Oh god. Buy my laggy 4070 today & pls later throw away yr obsolete 4070 next year 2024. I will call game developer to make 2024 game cause very lag using 4070 again. That how nivida can FORCE u buy more GPU again.
I love how the gamers are waking up to their BS. I litterely switched to a 6800xt from a 2070 super. $480 pre owned for close to performance but way more VRAM. I think these newer games pushing 11gb VRAM, these cards are going to age like milk instead of fine wine.
RTX 4000 series, the gen no one asked for, and no one wants. Shameless profiteering by a company who priced for a crypto market. Lets hope NVIDIA loses money on these. Teach them a lesson. And they still can't do 120 FPS plus at 4K! Without DLSS 3 on modern new releases.
most people didn't understand WHY nvidia has a expensive 70 card. It is very simple. Scalpers. Imagine, if this card cost $399, all scalpers would buy all of them and you will find them only on ebay for $550 or even...$600. So you already paying a scalper price. sry 4 my english
4070 isn't a xx70. It is a xx60 Ti at best.
no its a just a 4060. A 4060ti would be the 4070ti GPU cut down.
4060 bro 😂
lowest leap in generation
Some even say it is a 4050/ Ti
And I don't think they're entirely wrong tbh
I must say I am really surprised that 4070 didn't sell out.
Though 600$ is simply too much for 'midrange' GPU class the past few years were so bad for GPUs that I have lost any believe that the PC HW market will ever get back to normal, but maybe just maybe Ngreedia went just too far pricewise and people are just sick of paying more every release.
192 bit bus is low end imo
And besides the bus, a 12GB card is a hard pass for me at 1440p. I'm looking for 16GB or higher, regardless of price.
the 6950xt going down to 600 etc probably has a bit to do with it lmao
because everyone have 3000 series they don't need 4000
At 600 minimum with partners charging more in uk...you can ho get a xbox or ps5 that runs hamesvthay look better in 4k 120hz with her on 65 TV. The new xbox and ps5 makes games look better and smoother on my oled TV than my 3080 can...pc gaming g is now a luxury product
1070 was 29% faster than the 980, 2070 was 16% faster than the 1080, 3070 was 26% faster than the 2080, and this fake 4070 is 3-5% SLOWER than the 3080.
1060 was 5% slower than the 980, 2060 was on pair with 1080, 3060 was 10% slower than the 2080, fake 4070 is 3-5% slower than the 3080.
1060 has 33% of full die cores, 2060 has 42% of cores, 3060 has 33% of cores, this fake 4070 has 32% of full die cores.
Not to mention that this thing is only 30% faster than the 3070 while the uplift from Ampere to Ada is more than 70% (3090 to 4090). This is $400 4060, and not the $600 4070.
Yeah, this really places it in a perspective.
The 4070 is basically a 60 Tier card, while it's priced as 80 Tier card.
@@KryssN1 trueee fr
Yeah as I stated back at launch, it appears Nvidia just threw all the bones into the 4090 and then forgot about proper performance deltas for the remaining stack.
It's even worse if we include the price difference between the new xx70 and old xx80
970 was 138.3% more cost-efficient than 780
1070 was 86.7% more cost-efficient than 980
2070 was 39.2% more cost-efficient than 1080
3070 was 76.4% more cost-efficient than 2080
4070 is 9.7% more cost-efficient than 3080.
The formula used: ((xx80 price / xx70 price) * speed increase) - 1.
@@alexsmirnoveu Holy sack that's awful. 9.7% is a joke.
Their strategy was clear from the start with the entire 4080 12GB disaster. They hoped that they could just increase the number by 1 tier and get everyone to overpay, setting a new standard for the future. It could have worked to be honest, but because the word "recession" is showing up again causing people to be a lot more critical. So in the end we didn't let them get away with it
the reality is that its a tier and a ti cause if you look at the numbers a 4070 is the same speed, problem with that is that the 1070 was 30% faster than a 980, 2070 was 20% faster than a 1080 and the 3070 was about 25% faster than the 2080, where is my 25% uplift over the 3080, hell id even take 15% this is why the 4070ti is the real 4070, 4080 being the real 4070/ti
well put 👍
Seriously this raytracing push is shameful, 4 years and still milking the the early adopter and claiming its matured. PC gamer have fallen so hard back then i remember PCMR hated checkerboard rendering of ps4 but they welcomed this shit dlss/xlss and fsr. Where are the Native Master Race???.
Actually, if you look at what they've done here is segment the cards more. The 4090 is the 4k enthusiast card...the 4080 is meant for 4k. The 4070ti is meant to give you a taste of 4k but really meant to be upper tier 1440p with that vram and buswidth limitation (they were REALLY trying to get away with murder calling it a 4080) the 4070 is solidly placed for 1440p. the 4060ti and 4060 are meant only for 1080p with that 128 bit bus
It's not a 4070. This is a 4060 branded as a 4070 and the appropriate $299 price was DOUBLED to $600+.
Correct. It's good to see people are waking up to this scam...
Couldn't agree more. The 4070ti with a 256 bit memory bus and 16GB gddr6x should be the 4070.
@@tourmaline07 yeah and a lot of people don't know this. Im glad I caught that before I bought a 4070ti
@@jasonking1284 agreee I think they thought they were Nvidia sheep without realizing
@@tourmaline07 well you pretty much described the 4080 16G which should have been a 600 dollar 4070 ti
6700XT for 400, 6950XT for 650, 7900XT for 850 and 7900XTX for 1000 bucks in GER right now, so the choice may not be 2 difficult for most gamers lol
Had a GTX1060 for seven years, way market is going probs gonna have it for another seven.
I just replaced my GTX1060 to RTX4070 due to image generation with old CPU (DLSS3).
Still rocking a 1060 6GB (ASUS) from 2016, and I feel like I got incredible value out of this card. I paid 240 EUR for it brand new, and it's been an absolute workhorse. I've experienced no issues with it, even while overclocking, and I've been able to play most games on medium settings without any trouble. It wasn't until Hogwarts Legacy and Darktide came out that I started considering an upgrade, but I agree with you, the current offerings feel underwhelming.
That's because, never mind what they call this card, it is a 4060, not a 4070, just like with the new "4070ti" first being launched as a 4080. The oncoming 4060 should very likely have been 4050. All to squeeze every single dime they can out of people.
RUclipsrs should call on the gamers community to boycott Nvidia products
No this ain't twitter
Why? It's not nvidia's fault that Radeon is an afterthought at AMD.
Right now, there's only one serious player in the GPU industry, and with a functional monopoly, you get monopoly prices.
@@ryanspencer6778 I disagree. There are more reasons now to buy Radeon cards than there have been in a LONG time.
RUclipsrs are doing their job at pointing out the goods and the bads of the 4000 series.
No need to go "justice warrior" on this one because the next step is always to go after the people who will disagree with your little boycott. Just let the people free to decide.
@@naturesown4489 this was true for last generation, but AMD is right back to being an inferior product and charging enthusiast tier prices for them.
The 7900xtx is barely competitive with a card that should be the 4070 in a sane world. That's the best they can do at the high end.
If it had 16GB vram I'd consider it, because of the dlss3. No way at 12GB. Also, FSR 3 will be coming out this year anyway.
Fsr3 will probably be not as good and I have an rx6800. Hopefully I'm proven wrong l.
Dlss will always be better. This is coming from a RX6800 guy. I ain't an Nvidia shill.
@@kotztotz3530 I don't think you can say with confidence that it will "always be better". FSR is much more in its infancy than DLSS. Yes, DLSS is definitely much better at the moment. Also, lots of people can't access DLSS so for them there is no option but FSR. Also not a shill, I have a 3080 desktop and 3070ti. I just don't think that you can forecast with such complete confidence that DLSS will always be better than FSR.
I have a feeling the 50 series is gonna impress everyone but be priced the same as the 40 series to make it seem like a good value.
Nah, it's gonna be a $50 bump across the board, but still offering more value than the 4000s. Nvidia is gonna be sick if the 4060s don't sell though. Just get a used 3000 for the love of God. And honestlyz the 3060 12GB is more impressive for price than the 4070 or 4060ti will be. Hella unlucky.
Thats a good prediction. Keep the price higher than 30 series but more vram. With probably the same power but dlss nvidia or whatever lol
@@Saturntime33 To be perfectly honest... I think ray tracing has done more harm than good for the gpu market and consumers. 20 series was 4 years ago and this is the 3rd RTX generation, but somehow the technology is getting more expensive! Neither AMD nor Nvidia is even making non ray tracing cards anymore despite the fact that only about 125 games use RT... Thats including older games like Portal, Quake 2, and World of Warcraft... And also smaller or unexciting titles like Poker Club, Lego Builders Journey, and Fritz Chess 18.
I'm ready for RT to git gud... Cuz right now, it's an expensive pain in the ass.
The Ampere move!
My undervolted RX 6800 also runs max 200W on a 550W PSU. I got it used for 400 EUROS end of last year.
It also has 16Gb of VRAM and I can play almost all the games I play at 4K 60Hz.
Why would I need this fake and overpriced 4060? lol
Ngreedia is becoming an e-waste/AI company.
Dont matter what they charge, i aint buying.
99% of games are handholdy, overly monetized, terribly written shite.
Ill keep my 1080ti forever.
Same but I even with Rx570
Games are so bad now a days. I’m also done paying greater than $40 for a game, Elden Ring was the only exception.
Agree, it’s one of the main reasons why I’m not interested in newer titles. So much unoptimised trash, hence why I’m losing interest in PC gaming altogether. I’m on RX580 8GB and it still does quite decent in the games I still currently play.
@@somebodyrand0m280 take a look at Warzone. Been out quite some time they still haven’t fixed important glitches like items disappearing lmfao
@@arizonawatermelon123 There's plenty of amazing games still being released, what are you talking about. Elden Ring was unplayable on PC for the first 6 months too btw lol
If it had 16GB of vram and was as fast as a 3090 I would have considered buying it.
yeah thats called the 6950 xt
@@yeagmatic the problem is that 6950xt not at the same price in my country
Yeah, that would be worth $600.
@@Ďèlùlù_Ľ_è_ḿ_ó_ń i wiss, 780 here, i only saw 1 6950x in offer for 670 but i coudnt get it hope to see it onece again
@@giratina_86 its selling for around 650USD here the same price as the 4070. Whats it selling for where you live?
4060ti will be between 3070 / 3070ti
for $400 at best case and underwhelming 8gb
with 8gb of memory it will be able to run new games on MEDIUM SETTINGS😂😂
Most people with money went straight for the 4090 or the XTX. The smart money is waiting or buying used.
I'd never touch the used GPU market now that most of the cards had been mining crypto for years. A used card would have to be half its new price to risk it IMO.
@@patsk8872 would rather use well taken care of crypto cards than gaming cards
Buy card 4060 by name 4070 and price 4080
They are really pushing the narrative this year that difference in frames on 40 series compared to previous gen ( due to frame generation ) is a big deal and everyone should get one..
yeah wait until AMD launches FSR 3 with frame generation.
Exactly what happened with RTX 20 series, Trying hard to sell gamers GPUs only on the basis of a few gimmicks rather than real performance. At least the 20 series didn't try to market 2060 as a 2070. RTX 40 is much worse.
This most likely would've been the 4070ti if the backlash from the 4080 12gib didn't happen.
The 40 series looking at it from every which way HAS been a disaster, the only card worth buying has been the 4090 & it's priced out of this world! The high ups at Nvidia need to take a look at themselves & ask whether they are still up to it, maybe Jensen needs to step down too & realise he's had his day because he's obviously so out of touch with the market there now. A nice golden beach with a towel is perhaps what he needs before he ruins everything for everyone & the sooner the better!!
No 4090 is also overpriced. It only worth $1099.
@@KelvinKMS Couldn't agree with you more, what I meant is it is a great performance jump compared really to the rest of the GPU's in the 40 series but the price is ridiculous just like the rest of the 40 series price tags.
Definitely waiting for next gen which better have 16+g VRAM for less than or equal to $800, or I will simply swap back to a console and stream with a capture card in order to play with hot new titles.
I guess I'll use my 4 year old RTX 2080 for another 2 years. And then I'll quit gaming for good, cause there is no way the RTX 5000 series will be worth buying either.
The 4060 Ti and the 4060 will be competing directly with the used market. If they thought this was a flop, wait until they see the next two GPU releases. The 4070 was the last tier of new gen GPU models that they would have been able to carve a niche for and have something worth mass consumer sales, and it flopped. Everything below it unless it is dirt cheap, you are better off buying a used old gen GPU and saving tons of money. Nvidia knew this was coming and they thought their 600 dollar price tag was going to be a help to them. It's comical how bad this has gotten. Unless their goal is to sell out the remaining new 3070 stock before tanking prices, I have no idea what their plan was. Shareholders will not be okay with an entire generation of awful sales, and whether they fix that issue in this generation, or next generation, they will have to fix it. I thought this GPU would sell a lot better, but when you actually think about it, the 70 class GPU buyers are people who actually are concerned about value, whereas 70 Ti, 80, and 90 consumers are willing to spend more money and are less concerned with value. Being that the value accross the entire generation is awful, of course the most value centric tier was the largest flop.
If the 4070 was 20% faster and had a 256 bit bus along with 16GB of vram then I would've been sold.
Great review m8, very well nailed, as always.
Funny thing is the cheapest 4070 in Ukraine is 800usd, MSI gaming trio 960usd.
I'm happy with my used 3080 550usd not after miner with 1 year warranty.
NVIDIA deserves all this, they just stop kidding us, with their overpriced card
Another subpar product from Team Jensen at ridiculous price. Who would have thought it was meant to be rotting on shelves?
I went 7900XT for $800 and they threw in Last of Us which, for some reason, runs perfect and smooth and detailed for me. Luckily bug free 2 hours into the game. What erks me about nVidia's approach is they use small ammounts of VRAM for planned obscelesence and then release limited access features like RT Overdrive bloated nonsense for Cyperpunk or Portal RT to try to create FOMO to sell overpriced cards that have Frame Generation available. Trying to force owners of previous 3000 series to sell and upgrade again less than 2 years later when those cards are still powerfull. I just find that underhanded. And people fall for it.
20gb of Vram for that price is a big middle finger to nvidia its great. I recently switched to AMD because of the VRAM issue. The drivers are really good actually.
@@Saturntime33 Drivers have been rock solid for me. People are full of crap saying otherwise. I know years ago that was not the case but I have been on AMD for 3 or so years now and they have been on point. Adrenalin control panel is very good.
It is not bad, it is just unexpectedly low spec for the price point. It performs in normal rasterization under the 3080 which is a 2 year old video card and was more accordingly priced, so basically Nvidia is selling you DLSS3 for 100$ more for less performance. Most of the games don't even have DLSS support except the AAA titles. I own ~1200 games AAA and indie titles how many of them have DLSS2... let's not talk about DLSS3? like 10% at the best? This should've been like a 300-350$ card that's my opinion.
The 4070 isn't a bad card. The price and placement in the stack is what makes it bad.
12 GB VRAM makes it bad. Some games already have VRAM issues ON LAUNCH. How is it going to look 1 year from now?
@@ScreamerRSA Honestly unless you're playing brand new AAA games it makes no difference because as a 6950xt user, I don't even own a game that uses more than 9GB at 1440p. And if you do buy and play these brand new "benchmark" games for $70 each then you can afford a better graphics card in the first place.
With the 40 series Nvidia tried to look at on how much they can insult us without 99% of the stupid people out there noticing.
I am personally at a point were upgrading is becoming a thing. My 1080 is still a good card but at 1440p it is showing its age. Due to this I was seriously thinking of going for the 4070 but I am hesitating.
As this could have been really a interesting card if it was 499 like the previous 70 series msrp.
Or the current price but with 16gb memory and 3080ti performance. Now at this odd placement of neither, it is making everyone (including me) to consider if waiting for a price drop or for the next generation is the way to go.
All I can say is I'm 100% on board with your statement. Still sitting on an i7 4790k/gtx 970. I'm ready and very wanting to upgrading finally. But....if I've waited this long I may as well hold on further. Or forget PC gaming all together.
Other options are also out of the picture really.
3080 is old technology at this point, less vram and uses more watts (which is a deciding factor these days).
4080Ti is too expensive and still the same 12 Gb vram as 4070. So I feel that it is just a bad choice to go for.
And even though the Radeon cards are really good, they lack certain things that Nvidia provides.
Maybe a 4070 16Gb version but who knows if that ever becomes a reality due to the Ti model already being out.
6950xt
Same, we need to hold the line. I'll wait till a reasonable 4080 Ti happens or the 5000 series. Who knows, maybe PC gaming is no longer affordable for me
I am i the same boat with a GTX 10-series card. If these things are sitting on the shelves like this Greenidia has to do a price drop before the end of summer. That or i will just hold out for the next generation which will have 16GB, or perhaps get a 6950 XT?
Good video. My only slight disagreement would be the 4070 being a viable upgrade path for 2070 owners.
For me, if I'm going to spend $600+ on a GPU after 4 years, I'd want more than 12GB of VRAM. This is less memory than current gen consoles, and ultra-high settings in new games are starting to scrape 12GB of usage, even at 1440p.
Imagine dropping $600 on a brand new card, and already running out of video memory? An absolute deal-breaker, in my opinion.
It's a good upgrade for 2070 only in the fact that it's a drop in upgrade with the same power consumption but for 2X performance. I agree about the vram, but it's the only upgrade that makes it remotely make any sort of sense.
I still agree it sucks tho.
As a 2070 owner who is starting to look at upgrading, any card with less than 16GB of ram is a hard pass for me.
Consoles share the VRAM and regular ram. So 16gb of VRAM is pretty misleading
@@captainhrothgar4637 me too
Apart from the 4090 , the rest of the line up is wank at the greed price Nvidia / Retailers are asking
wank wank wank
Just wait for it 4050 6GB AT 299-350$ hahahahah
Haha perfect scam
I think the 4070 would be way more appealing if they either give the same performance and 16gb vram for about 550$, or the same performance, same vram for 500$. I bet, then this gpus would have been sold out in a mather of hours, or at least a few days. But with the current price, performance and vram, its simply nothing to get hyped about. And preferable the proces i mentioned would be the aib models, not the founders.
/edit: It also would not have hurt to have slightly better performance, because a lot of people with 30 series cards would not really see any reason to upgrade,.. but if the vram would have been 16gb and the card would deliver at least 5 or 10% more performance, even 30 series owners would most likely sell of their 30 series gpus and get the 4070...
Its sad to see... I really dont know what nvidia is thinking, about their whole line up. It doesnt make sense at the slightest... except the 4090, and maybe the 4080 if you can get it about 100-150$ below msrp or with a good bungle offer when building a new system. I can see the future... 50 series cards will be hyper inflated, because nvidia has to sell wharehoses of 40 series cards,.... Here we go again....
Additional VRAM isn't necessary but would be welcome. This isn't a 4070 not by a land slide. This is in actuality a 4060 if not a 4050. They're marketing it as a 4070 though. They're relying on DLSS and Frame Generation to make it look as though it's much faster than the last generation but it's a far cheaper card than previous 70 GPUs.
when they announced the 3070 with 8gb of vram I knew they were greedy.
I’m on a 2070 super, and I’m wanting higher performance since games are starting to die to my 8 GB of VRAM, but the 4070 is just too pricey. At 600 I’d expect at least 16GB of VRAM and at least the same memory bus of the 3080 ti. Instead we got half-measures, on a 600 dollar card.
If I weren’t broke I’d just grab a 6950 XT at this point. I like DLSS and ray tracing but Nvidia is trying their hardest to make me never their customer again. The 1070 was incredible, the 2070 super was a nice upgrade, and technically next up should be the 4070, but it just doesn’t put out like it should at that price point.
Got my red devil rx 6800xt for under $500. Cant beat 4k for under that!
Amd dropping prices and shaming nvgreedia
All these cards suck unless it's the overpriced 4080/4090.
4080 to 4090 is like 30-40% performance gap for 20-25% more money.
4080 was only bought by people who had money for 4090 but there was no stock of 4090s.
Now 4080, 70ti and 70 are all sitting on the shelves.
4080 sits on the shelves cause it's too expensive, it just exist to make 4090 and 4070 look good.
4070 and 4070ti will sit on the shelves because of price, only 12GB VRAM, plus they cannot do 4K due to VRAM and bandwidth and it's price is enthusiast only bracket, we usually know what we buy and this is a 60tier GPU priced as 80Tier literally.
I recently bought used RTX 2080ti for ~400$ and I was worried that this is a bad deal. Release of RTX 4070 showed me that it was good deal for money (at that time used 3070 costed ~400$). If I wanted to go for new card, I would go for RX 6950XT (I brought up prices below). I would like to have comparison between those two cards.
In my country RTX 4070 is arround 690-851€ (766-945$ for today) depending on model. At my closest store the price difference is very small for the cheapest models. Actually some more expensive ones of RTX 4070 cost even 100€ more than RX 6950XT
To be exact:
AMD RX 6950XT is 746€ (only this model is available).
For RTX 4070 the cheapest (Gainward Ghost) 662€ and the most expensive (Asus TUF OC) is 851€.
Average models are priced at 765€.
I bought a used 3060 ti with a 1.5 year warranty for $260, your deal seems way worse but at least you got more vram xD.
Naw. I would definitely get the 4070 over the 2080 ti. That's a pretty big upgrade for you
@@edge8945 @Jason D Wimes Nice deal, but it couldn't happen in my country. The cheapest working 3060 (not even ti) costs 362$ with current exchange rate vs cheapest RTX 2080ti 428$.
I had to buy some furniture, so my GPU budget was decreased and I switched from 1060 6gb.
Options for my budget were 3060 / used 3060ti or 3070 / some kind of RTX 2080ti.
I wanted card with at least 10gb of VRAM for 2k gaming, becuase I foreseen issues with 8GB cards, so I aimed for at least 3080.
At the beginning I even didn't consider RTX 2080ti, but after research and searching through offers, it was the best deal.
I am surprised how well this card performs after 4,5 year.
@@jasondwimes8612 But RTX4070 costs twice the price for mid AIB model and I wasn't willing to spend that much for GPU that I'll replace in span of 2 years. I upgraded from 1060 6gb and this is a HUUUGE leap in the performance.
I'm hoping the lack of sales lowers the price in a month or two when I upgrade from the gtx 970. I'd like to see the reviews and benchmarks of the 4060 (ti) before finally deciding.
Keep dreaming, not a single 4xxx GPU has dropped in price from it's msrp, even though none of them sold out at launch except the 4090.
I guess, only answer from AMD and Intel will hit that prices.
- If AMD will deliver APU's with RDNA on desktop, or Intel will launch Alchemist+ it will shake prices of rtx3050/3060 and that 'wave' will go further upside.
- Or if AMD will launch RX7800 for a good price, it will kill rtx4070s pricing.
Afordable to WHo ?? I have money. but I refuse to give in to Manufacturer Scalper prices. 600$ is an absurd price...
It definitelly feels like this is the "skip it" generation.
Why not buy brand new 6950 XT?
I'm building my first PC over the next couple month. Will probably buy the 4070 if price drops by 100-200 dollars (~65-125 USD less) where I'm at
Jensen thinks after his CRYPTO boom success he can PLAY the gamers again.
No no Jensen this time we will play with your career in stead you greedy old man.
Skip-it
The only other thing that should be mentioned is that if you want a good card at the same level of performance as the 4070, then go buy a 6800 from AMD.
IMO this shows not only the undesirability of the price point, but should show to everyone just how many of the previous purchases were because of crypto. Anyone who still maintains crypto wasn't the primary driving force behind the GPU shortage is beyond hope.
12gb was a mistake they didn't learn from when they had 8gb cards for the 30xx series 16gb should be the minimum and not only for the 4080
12GB VRAM is outdated in 2023.4070 is outdated out of the box for $600
Launch GPUs that offer almost no additional performance per dollar, you get almost no additional sales. Shouldn't surprise anyone.
This is Nvidia's slow cooking the frog model, they will bump up the pricing tier for all their models but offer less than historical improvements for those tiers. Their excuse is Moore's law is dead.. so they pass the cost onto the consumer. Forget innovating or improving their architecture.. consumers will pay more for less, the Huang has spoken.
4070 is a good Card, but should be a 4060 or 4050 and way cheaper. They're literally relying on DLSS, and AI Frame Generation to make it look like a fast GPU. The low power consumption is a good example of this. 4070 itself in my opinion is a good card. It's just shouldn't be called a 4070 nor should it cost as much as it does. I honestly want one of these GPUs but not for $600+. They'd have to cut it back $200 to $150 dollars to something more like $400 to $450 for me to want to buy it.
I can go back to Capitalism 101. Technology is supposed to make things more affordable, not more expensive. We have smart phones that are as good as an early 2000s gaming PC for a fraction of the cost. Cost to value should go down not up, we shouldn't be paying more for less in short with each generation. Nvidia is ignoring this.
I can understand people labeling this a 4060 Ti, but in no way shape or form is this a 50 class card.
Imma hold off with my 3060 for the time being
who is going to wait in line for a 4070 lol
i mean for people who start fresh and are not upgrading, these cards are pretty ok… but for someone who allready got something its not lmao
I have a 1070 and am hurting for an upgrade. I am waiting to see what Amds 7800xt does, but This is a consideration.
You don't max out "your favorite games" at 1440p with an RTX 4070. May be a few.
Way too high a price for what should be a 4060
It won't last as long as the 1070 did. There's no point in getting this over my existing 8 GB card.
Yea this card was dead on the ground, considering that you can get a 6950xt, a card that can outperform a 3080ti, is the same price it was doa
4090's at least in my area are also plentiful. This generation is a bust but I highly highly doubt nvidia care too much. They are making a majority of their money on the datacenter side of things and they are just fine. Look for the 5xxx series to be even higher in price.
Just 300$ too expensive
I can tell it's already a sh!t launch simply by where I live.
Here in Australia we are like the leftovers, Because market is so small here they don't ship much stock of anything, And yet all these 40 series is in stock not just the 4070, All overpriced garbage.
If the 4070 was selling, It would be completely sold out here seeing as they would have only shipped a handful anyway and then any extra sold going on backorder.
I mean it’s basically a 3080 with dlss 3 most people who wanted a 3080 already has one
My 1660 Super is showing its age im in need of a upgrade
The midrange GPU can’t cost more than the latest console. Simple
I'm getting it. I'm building my first gaming PC so I'm starting at 0, I don't care about 4k gaming but 1440p is perfect for me. I don't play graphic intensive games, and I like it's low power usage
games are pushing over 10gb VRAM today so as long as you update the card in two more years
maybe some of europe will buy to save on energy costs, otherwise its just a 3080, after 3 years, lol. Where i am, a large SI discounted it by $130 on day 1 (making it within $50 of a used 3080), even then sales was slow. Again, its not bad, just priced bad, again. Jensen tried to create uproar with the 750 price, anchor expectations then drop to 600, sadly it doesnt work super well on the super price sensitive midrange buyers
I'm currently assembling my parts for a new build, a sff one at that, to replace my i5-3570k (yes 3rd gen ivy bridge intel) and 1070. Going from a 3570k to a 7800X3D is going to be awesome. I'll be sticking with the 1070 for now though since it's able to handle the games I'm currently playing. Maybe if the 4070 comes down in price I might consider getting one. Either that or I'll wait until something else that's a better value comes along, maybe an AMD/Radeon card.
I dont get why the triple fan editions exists and why the dual fan editions doesnt have 2x6 (or 2x8) power connectors.
I'm out on this generation from both companies
Nvidia greedy is annoying. Don't pay for it
It's coz we wanted them to discount the 3000 series with the release of the 4000 series. This way, they don't have to discount that 3000 series we got our eye on. Coz all of a sudden that price we didn't wanna pay por the 3000, is looking not so bad right about now 😅
The more you don’t buy, the more you save.
Unfortunately for nVidia's greed, VRAM reality hit their door before the 4070's launch. GPUs with less than 16GB of VRAM will be DOA from now on.
It's not true. 8 Gb is more than enough for 1080 gaming, which is the resolution most gamers play on. (I have Radeon 6700XT, so I am not nvidia shill).
@@fakicro 4070 is stupidly powerful for 12 gb vram. should been less powerful with more vram to be honest, way better 1400p gaming
So will the RX 7600 XT beat the RX 6700XT?
what about people who game at 1080p with a 144 hz monitor? could this card be a reasonable card for someone wanting a 1080p experience in ultra for the next few years? will the 12 gb vram hold back 1080p?
YES. If you plan on staying at 1080p for a few years. Its the 8gb of vram today that's effecting 1440p/4K titles with higher textures. The vram on AMD with 16gb from two years ago are holding up. 12gb of vram on newer cards seems like the minimum for high settings for a few years then DEAD. Thats why people are complaining.
@@Saturntime33 i understand the complaint, but was wondering how to make this passable, since it is already out. gamers who want to game in 1440p, will have to use dlss to get to ultra, it seems.
I got the 4070 on launch and i am happy. I know it is pricey but this RT has been wild
When I built my gaming PC 3 months ago I was ignorant and uneducated. So I pulled the trigger on a 3070 ti for $650. After reading and watching reviews on how Nvidia is screwing over their customers, I decided to buy an RX 7900 XT (for less than $800) as an F-U and middle finger to Ngreedia.
so sad 3070Ti was the worst value you can buy.
My wife needs to upgrade her 1080, I doubt I'll be getting her a 4070 tho, I'll prolly wait for amd's low-mid range rdna3 cards to launch and make a decision then based on prices.
Obviously, I won't buy a 40-series GPU. My 2070 Super is still doing somewhat fine for me at 1440p. I also lowkey wanna switch to Linux, so AMD is getting more attractive by the day.
In 2016 I got a 1070 new for $300. Let me know when this card, that is 2.4x faster but also cost 2x more, cost at most $350, as it should, and I'll consider it.
Until then I'm hoping for AMD to release something 16gb mid range that is cheaper than this, to destroy this insanely overpriced 12gb low end card.
I just bought one I’m on a 2070 super so it was time 😂 I feel like if u alr have something close to the 4070 just keep it I wanted the FE so I got it from nvidia
Wait until you see the price in Australia and NZD, we're like used to subsidize the actual MSRP in other countries lmao. It's so egregious.
I would pick one up at 350 but still that 12gb VRAM is nagging at the back at my mind.
C'mon, that's not even close to a realistic price. I'm no Nvidia lover or anything but the card isn't terrible even if it doesn't live up to expectations. There's no way it would've ever sold for 350.
I'm neither buying a 4070 nor waiting for a 60-series. I'm waiting for AMD to release the 7800 cards.
40 series sucks imo
for now, the 4070 only serves to lower the price of the 30 series. nvidia is smoking that good good with their continued insane pricing. they need to realize gamers are not crypto miners and will not pay outrageous prices for gpus.
If die sizes of 3090 and 4090 are comparable and performance of 4090 is 1,63x or 63 faster with very similar memory used, GDDR6X 21Gbps vs 19, then compare 4070 to bare 3060 12GB!
Both have die size just 10perc difference, but so called 4070 uses GDDR6X, I would count it for say 10perc more performance thanks to memory and 10perc for slightly bigger chip. Nvidia 4070 is 1,93x faster (93perc faster) than 3060 12G.
If you do 1,93/(1,1*1,1) you end up that 4090 generational 63perc uplift given by better node.
Here you are -4070- but 4060 with 12G GDDR6X.
So price should be related to 3060, just 10percent more, maybe-maybe little bit for better memory. Didn't Samsung 8nm wafer become cheaper in last 2years?
I need to upgrade my PC because my GTX 960 4 GB is way to slow.
I could afford a 350 € card including 19 % sale taxes. That's about 325 $ without taxes.
I could buy a 3060 12 GB for about 295 $ plus taxes, but that's only 10 € below MSRP.
I think the 4060 will be priced at 350 $ to 380 $, but that's too much for me, especially with only 8 GB VRAM and about 33 % less Memory Bus Bandwidth.
And because I want to start with machine learning / deep learning, I need the CUDA cores. So other manufacturers aren't appealing either.
No easy decision to make.
Whatever I do, it's gonna be a bad choice.
😂 4070 with high lagging 192 men bus. Just Another pure Scrap..GPU Jensen Dusebag had creating 😅 today buy , & next year will obsolete.😅 so much weaker than 3080
One thing most GPU reviews don't take into account is how GPU prices remained relatively constant from 10 series up to 30 series.. 40 series is the first time Nvidia started to account for inflation. With that being said if you compare previous gens price to performance adjusted to current inflation values you'd get a very close price to performance comparison. Albeit a little bit worse but, but still closer than you'd think. I don't meant to sound like an Nvidia fanboi but take inflation into account and you'd have an answer why 4070 is 100 dollars more expensive than 3070.
$499 back in 2020 is $582 today.. Basically 4070 is roughly $17 more expensive than 3070 if you take inflation into consideration. Which you should.
It just feels more expensive because you don't buy GPU every month like some groceries so you don't feel that prices on everything costs more today than they did two years ago.
If it was a true 70 series card, I would agree with you.
@@stuart_gill yup. This is like a 4060 super
All those low prices on ebay for 3080s are actually a bit scary. I would never pay 'only' 300€ for a 3080, it's way too suspicious. The 30s series has been the "Crypto mining" series. Al those GPUs u see have been under gigantic load for their whole life span, don't buy those.
On my side, I sold my 3080 FE and got the 4070 FE instead. DLSS3, less power consumption and overall same (raw) performances against 3080 made it a weird but satisfying upgrade.
Frame generation basically doubled my FPS compared to my 3080
its selling at 26 dollars above msrp in canada thats sad cause
the 7900 xt is now 147 dollars below msrp
and look what it does even better then a 4070 ti
which is a paltry 80 bucks cheaper
😂 4070 with laggy 192 men bus. Nivida is threatening world gamers again by pointing a gun on gamer head again. Oh god. Buy my laggy 4070 today & pls later throw away yr obsolete 4070 next year 2024. I will call game developer to make 2024 game cause very lag using 4070 again. That how nivida can FORCE u buy more GPU again.
I love how the gamers are waking up to their BS. I litterely switched to a 6800xt from a 2070 super. $480 pre owned for close to performance but way more VRAM. I think these newer games pushing 11gb VRAM, these cards are going to age like milk instead of fine wine.
RTX 4000 series, the gen no one asked for, and no one wants.
Shameless profiteering by a company who priced for a crypto market.
Lets hope NVIDIA loses money on these. Teach them a lesson.
And they still can't do 120 FPS plus at 4K! Without DLSS 3 on modern new releases.
most people didn't understand WHY nvidia has a expensive 70 card. It is very simple. Scalpers.
Imagine, if this card cost $399, all scalpers would buy all of them and you will find them only on ebay for $550 or even...$600.
So you already paying a scalper price.
sry 4 my english