This was likely the best thought to help me that I've ever found! Focusing on moving my trail leg and hip back gave me more turn and power. At age 71 I've been struggling with contact and distance. My 50 degree gap wedge was only carrying 75 yards average. After incorporating this movement I now am consistently hitting it 90 - 100 yards. Thanks Craig!
Hi Craig, another excellent and interesting video. You asked about 'have their been better players with higher or lower swings'? I grew up very much keeping the Ben Hogan swing in mind as a good golfing swing model/template, but what Ben manages from his 'flat backswing' into the downswing - where he gets his arms in front of the body for the release sequence - is a move that most people couldn't produce from that backswing, in my opinion. Interestingly, for the Ben Hogan first instruction book 'Power golf' (i.e. the photographic version which you can only get in 2nd hand bookshops if lucky) - the sequences were taken pre-accident (possibly 1948) and his backswing was slightly more mid-plane in the backswing rather than the flatter version post-crash (not sure if it was Mike Austin who commented that he thought Hogan's swing was better pre-crash). I got interested in golf as a teenager by the prospect of Bobby Clampett almost winning the British Open in 1982 (Bobby was using Homer Kelley's 'The Golfing Machine' and working with Ben Doyle at the time). Clampett had a beautiful (but very flat backswing) and I think some of his bad shots came from the mis-timing under pressure that tended to create those hooked shots. But no way of being sure... I'm firmly in the camp now that believes the more upright swing is a better model for most better players, but it has to be done in the correct timing sequence, which gets the arms in front of the body in the downswing. Good golfers tend to suffer from an in-to-out path which often comes from a bit too much lateral slide, or flatting the plane a bit too much in the downswing. Interesting if you look at Tom Watson's career - Tom did have Byron Nelson look over his swing, so it's no surprise that Tom had such a good long career (and a very upright swing married with excellent body rotation/lateral shift). Of the modern players Justin Thomas follows that nice sequence of being upright with his plane but coupled with such great sequencing in his swing in the downswing. Of course, if players have created a swing a bit on the flattish side, and it works for them, then that's what they need to keep with. There are many ways of getting the job done in golf. Of course, a lot of players are taller now so that's another reason to keep upright and use their power sources properly. And the tools of the game have also changed too. best wishes - keep up the good work as always - Michael
DeChambeau had The Golfing Machine,and an instructor who taught it. Another book that, although detaild,identifies the proper geometry and physics of the swing. There is a best way to do it. Hogan found it. Why not copy it and learn to do it that way. It amazes me that Hogan and Homer Kelly came to the same conclusion as to what produces power and accuracy. Hogan, through trial and error and consistent practice. Homer, through applied physics and geometry,while rarely playing at all.
To finish my comment, the most amazing golf stat I've ever heard is one of Ben Hogan during a three tournament streak in 1940. In the 216 holes he played in those three victories he hit 214 greens in regulation. Two missed greens in three 72 hole tournaments. Ninety nine percent in regulation! There is nobody playing golf, before or since that could do that. Eat your heart out Jack and Tiger. Hogan worked harder at perfecting the mechanics of the golf swing than any man who ever lived. As a result he hit the ball more accurately than any player. Any player! If you want to argue Golf's greatest player leave ball striking out of the equation. Ben Hogan stands alone. A Fraternity of one.
Pure gold. Kudos,also,to the Stack and Tilt boys,Andy and Mike,who brought golf instruction back to the proper physics and geometry. This type of swing keeps me playing at age 81.
Craig, Really good analysis!! I have fought two different swing thoughts with higher left shoulder at impact that you are showing on Mr. Nelson and Mr. Hogan versus Bradley Hughes approach trying to move the left shoulder as far left as possible thru impact. More of a rotation not unsimilar to Mr. Hogan! Your thoughts on both of these opposite methods? Thanks
If you told teaching Pros in the 90s that this is how you should swing, they'd laugh you out of a room. Think about that, they were so certain in their opinions, based on absolutely no personal success on winning on tour, like winning 11 tournaments in a row, that the greatest golf swings of all time were wrong. And then this crazy guy called Bryson, who had a unique swing to be kind, then in a search for power, started finding everything on his own that all the greats discovered themselves 80 years ago.
There have not been too many great players with flat swings but we recall most flat swingers swing that way to prevent a hook. Both Ben Hogan and Lee Trevino fought a nasty hook before competing on the Tour. Most great players have higher planes to keep the path over the target line longer through impact.
@@johnflorio3052 I don't think people swing flat to prevent a hook. The flat swingers I've spoken with do it naturally - started young doing it & then taught themselves to swing that way. I personally have a slightly more upright swing, but again, I think it comes from the sum total of what I did as a kid - played a lot of ice hockey and the slap shot comes up and not around and tennis where the serve is up - but still I'm not as up as JT. I do agree that more verticle keeps the club longer path through impact - which is what Byron Nelson was absolutely known for.
What did they know? They only grew up together as boys and went on to revolutionize the game! What these two men could do with a golf club is mind boggling. There are no men alive now that can do what they do. NONE. Nelson was the first player to hit through his left side flexing and moving through. The result was the biggest flat spot tje game had ever seen. He kept the club on line longer through impact than anyone else. The result? He hit the ball straighter than anyone else. Until Hogan. How good were they? Nelson in the 1937 Masters played a round if golf hitting every green in regulation. And all the par fives in two! He played the course in 32 shots.
When I see Bryson DeChambeau swing down the line it reminds me of Jack Nicklaus in approximately 1965. Craig, if you could find some footage of Jack in his mid-20s when he was crushing it I think your followers would learn a lot.
@@johnflorio3052 Craig has also done one where at the end he shows you Tiger in his prime against a young Jack - with the Tiger swing going first and he is ripping at it in full send mode - and then you see Jack, it's only then can you appreciate how insanely fast Jack's swing was - it was very clearly faster than Tiger's
Isn't the side bend a "result" of the pivot, leg extension and hip elevation? I hear too many online instructors (not you) focusing on side bend when in reality it is a result of maintaining the back angle at address and elevating the hip through extension of trail leg and elevating the heal. Almost impossible to get this angle by keeping hips flat. Yet the groovy thing is to try to work it into submssion through improper sequence. No wonder people are tearing their labrum😢
He has the second lowest scoring average of all time the only other player lower is Tiger Woods. And that’s back then with those crap clubs and balls?? Did you put any thought at all into that comment you wrote? Like at all? I seriously want to know?
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This was likely the best thought to help me that I've ever found! Focusing on moving my trail leg and hip back gave me more turn and power. At age 71 I've been struggling with contact and distance. My 50 degree gap wedge was only carrying 75 yards average. After incorporating this movement I now am consistently hitting it 90 - 100 yards. Thanks Craig!
Great to hear
Hi Craig,
another excellent and interesting video. You asked about 'have their been better players with higher or lower swings'? I grew up very much keeping the Ben Hogan swing in mind as a good golfing swing model/template, but what Ben manages from his 'flat backswing' into the downswing - where he gets his arms in front of the body for the release sequence - is a move that most people couldn't produce from that backswing, in my opinion. Interestingly, for the Ben Hogan first instruction book 'Power golf' (i.e. the photographic version which you can only get in 2nd hand bookshops if lucky) - the sequences were taken pre-accident (possibly 1948) and his backswing was slightly more mid-plane in the backswing rather than the flatter version post-crash (not sure if it was Mike Austin who commented that he thought Hogan's swing was better pre-crash). I got interested in golf as a teenager by the prospect of Bobby Clampett almost winning the British Open in 1982 (Bobby was using Homer Kelley's 'The Golfing Machine' and working with Ben Doyle at the time). Clampett had a beautiful (but very flat backswing) and I think some of his bad shots came from the mis-timing under pressure that tended to create those hooked shots. But no way of being sure...
I'm firmly in the camp now that believes the more upright swing is a better model for most better players, but it has to be done in the correct timing sequence, which gets the arms in front of the body in the downswing. Good golfers tend to suffer from an in-to-out path which often comes from a bit too much lateral slide, or flatting the plane a bit too much in the downswing. Interesting if you look at Tom Watson's career - Tom did have Byron Nelson look over his swing, so it's no surprise that Tom had such a good long career (and a very upright swing married with excellent body rotation/lateral shift). Of the modern players Justin Thomas follows that nice sequence of being upright with his plane but coupled with such great sequencing in his swing in the downswing. Of course, if players have created a swing a bit on the flattish side, and it works for them, then that's what they need to keep with. There are many ways of getting the job done in golf. Of course, a lot of players are taller now so that's another reason to keep upright and use their power sources properly. And the tools of the game have also changed too.
best wishes - keep up the good work as always - Michael
Thanks Michael,
And thanks for posting! - Very interesting points 👍👍
DeChambeau had The Golfing Machine,and an instructor who taught it. Another book that, although detaild,identifies the proper geometry and physics of the swing. There is a best way to do it. Hogan found it. Why not copy it and learn to do it that way. It amazes me that Hogan and Homer Kelly came to the same conclusion as to what produces power and accuracy. Hogan, through trial and error and consistent practice. Homer, through applied physics and geometry,while rarely playing at all.
thanks for posting
To finish my comment, the most amazing golf stat I've ever heard is one of Ben Hogan during a three tournament streak in 1940. In the 216 holes he played in those three victories he hit 214 greens in regulation. Two missed greens in three 72 hole tournaments. Ninety nine percent in regulation! There is nobody playing golf, before or since that could do that. Eat your heart out Jack and Tiger. Hogan worked harder at perfecting the mechanics of the golf swing than any man who ever lived. As a result he hit the ball more accurately than any player. Any player! If you want to argue Golf's greatest player leave ball striking out of the equation. Ben Hogan stands alone. A Fraternity of one.
Thanks Donald 👍👍
Tiger had crappy instruction and tried to push on.
Pure gold. Kudos,also,to the Stack and Tilt boys,Andy and Mike,who brought golf instruction back to the proper physics and geometry. This type of swing keeps me playing at age 81.
thanks
Craig, Really good analysis!! I have fought two different swing thoughts with higher left shoulder at impact that you are showing on Mr. Nelson and Mr. Hogan versus Bradley Hughes approach trying to move the left shoulder as far left as possible thru impact. More of a rotation not unsimilar to Mr. Hogan! Your thoughts on both of these opposite methods? Thanks
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If you told teaching Pros in the 90s that this is how you should swing, they'd laugh you out of a room. Think about that, they were so certain in their opinions, based on absolutely no personal success on winning on tour, like winning 11 tournaments in a row, that the greatest golf swings of all time were wrong. And then this crazy guy called Bryson, who had a unique swing to be kind, then in a search for power, started finding everything on his own that all the greats discovered themselves 80 years ago.
Exactly! The worst instructors of all time the worst period ever
There have not been too many great players with flat swings but we recall most flat swingers swing that way to prevent a hook. Both Ben Hogan and Lee Trevino fought a nasty hook before competing on the Tour. Most great players have higher planes to keep the path over the target line longer through impact.
Why would people fighting a hook swing lower? Low swings encourage a more inside strike.
@Craig: That’s logical and I too am mystified why Trevino and Hogan flattened their swings to hit their patented power fade. It’s counterintuitive.
@@johnflorio3052 I don't think people swing flat to prevent a hook. The flat swingers I've spoken with do it naturally - started young doing it & then taught themselves to swing that way. I personally have a slightly more upright swing, but again, I think it comes from the sum total of what I did as a kid - played a lot of ice hockey and the slap shot comes up and not around and tennis where the serve is up - but still I'm not as up as JT. I do agree that more verticle keeps the club longer path through impact - which is what Byron Nelson was absolutely known for.
What did they know? They only grew up together as boys and went on to revolutionize the game! What these two men could do with a golf club is mind boggling. There are no men alive now that can do what they do. NONE. Nelson was the first player to hit through his left side flexing and moving through. The result was the biggest flat spot tje game had ever seen. He kept the club on line longer through impact than anyone else. The result? He hit the ball straighter than anyone else. Until Hogan. How good were they? Nelson in the 1937 Masters played a round if golf hitting every green in regulation. And all the par fives in two! He played the course in 32 shots.
When I see Bryson DeChambeau swing down the line it reminds me of Jack Nicklaus in approximately 1965. Craig, if you could find some footage of Jack in his mid-20s when he was crushing it I think your followers would learn a lot.
he has already done that compare
Thank you, Paul!
@@johnflorio3052 Craig has also done one where at the end he shows you Tiger in his prime against a young Jack - with the Tiger swing going first and he is ripping at it in full send mode - and then you see Jack, it's only then can you appreciate how insanely fast Jack's swing was - it was very clearly faster than Tiger's
Isn't the side bend a "result" of the pivot, leg extension and hip elevation? I hear too many online instructors (not you) focusing on side bend when in reality it is a result of maintaining the back angle at address and elevating the hip through extension of trail leg and elevating the heal. Almost impossible to get this angle by keeping hips flat. Yet the groovy thing is to try to work it into submssion through improper sequence. No wonder people are tearing their labrum😢
Thanks for posting
But they didn't have over 100 guys entering tournaments back then
He has the second lowest scoring average of all time the only other player lower is Tiger Woods. And that’s back then with those crap clubs and balls??
Did you put any thought at all into that comment you wrote? Like at all? I seriously want to know?
This has to be a troll comment. Really?🤣