MHWorld Beta: Rathalos Charge Blade solo 5'25
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- Опубликовано: 15 дек 2024
- This is currently the optimal way to play CB, get off as many SAEDs as possible due to red shield not depleting on using it, and it having almost twice the damage of an AED. I hope there's a rebalance or power shift with some of that power going from the SAED back into the AED but I'm not expecting any changes.
/ rainyy_
/ rainy_moody
A lot of the reason this kill is happening so quickly is because of the far reduced stagger breakpoints on all the demo monsters. The kill time has less to do with how strong the ultra is, and more to do with the fact that Los just sits there and lets you molest him for nearly 5 minutes straight. The ultra adding onto that because it's so easily hitting those lowered breakpoints. I personally doubt it's going to have that degree of lockdown in the actual game, though.
Ark Games yeah true but speedrunners will use the best possible setups for those runs so it will be the same when not even faster but you re right ofc not with this set.
Yeah full game Rathalos is a beast lol
Ark Games this time is complete trash now you see? Easy sub 3s out there now with max dmg builds.
Can't wait to see you do LS Solo run too. Ls still have some Brave style element within them, I'm sure you are doing great with it.
I watch a great speed kill of anjanath with the bow, people are losing their mind over how good the player is, same thing with Rathalos and CB and people are losing their minds over how OP the CB is. Right.
CB came back in all his glory, and is more broken than ever before
Awesome! Finally someone who uses the new sword charge and ultras.
When I knew about shield charge not going away upon ultra, KO times being shorter, and sword charge existing, I thought there would be two possible meta outcomes:
Ultra spam focused
Ultra spam focused with sword charge
Sword charge would be most relevant in the case where you have to often charge between your Ultras
It's cool to see a speedrun that shows the way the new sword charge can complement the Ultra focused playstyle in a practical way
Excellent work!!
Awesome run Rainy! SAEDs+Flash Tripod-Rathalos=PROFIT
Keep up the great work man!
GarBello SAEDs? What's that?
Isayah Cox SAEDs stands for Super Amped Elemental Discharges. Pretty much the super bursts with red shield and full phials
Great run, Rainy. This SAED spamming play-style sucks and I do hope Capcom balances it prior to release.
almost sure that the monster will be op too, so i dont think we have to worry and remember is a low rank beta
It would be nice if they SHIFTED the power within the charge blade but if they make a change I can see them just reverting the shield buff permanence, which would just make the weapon flat out worse. I already noticed that you get more knockback from multiple attacks when you guard point them, like diablos's roar, than you used to in MH4U. Without the Ultra Spamming (while I don't personally like it) and with no other buffs to compensate- I think it would take CB from high tier to mid/low tier based off of the information I have now. Which wouldn't be very enjoyable to CB players. I don't see them increasing KO time for monsters to the way it was in 4U, so I think we're lucky to have the ultra spam meta. Even though I don't think it's as fun as the GP > Super > KO combo meta
wtf!? Thats not a hard timming link, u just have to hold down + X
behindthefreezR every weapon got a buff. Why keep hating on cb. Nerf every weapon if they want to nerf cb
reminder that flinch, ko, and status thresholds are toned down for the beta. While it'll probably have around this much damage in it's hits, it shouldn't be ko'ing this frequently
I love CB, and I do love how fast and crazy it is to unleash all those attacks. I think a lot of the damage it does is offset by how complicated it is to use. People are complaining it's OP due to this video, but this is not your normal player, this is someone with far more skill than the average person.
That being said, the damage might be a little high on the ultimate, considering I was only seeing greatswords new charge (forgot the name) hitting for like 170-190, where I'm pretty sure that AED just did about 230-250 damage on Rath's head (83+31+31+31+30+30 and i think there's some other small numbers.) I wouldn't cry if they did a small damage decreased, but I do really like the ultimate spamming play-style, it looks awesome and makes you feel like a badass.
Much fun such variety ^^ (Slice slice - Reload - Ultraburst - Repeat) I hope this will not be the bread and butter combo for this weapon in the full release
Probably with faster monsters it may become more efficent to avoid saed spamming, that was he case with bushido CB in XX, however its aed was stronger to begin with and could be chained.
Mmm.
Fujioka somehow managed to fix the aed counter of the chargeblade while ruining it in another department.
avaman1993 whats SAED and AED?
The Goku ultra instinct theme should have been playing here...jesus
Extremely impressive. Gave it a like! So QUESTION for VETERAN MH players. Im picking this up for xbox and i'm super stoked. I played a bit of MH4U but my question is, is mantling the monster not a good idea to do solo? Or at all? I've been watching tons of beta footage to get a sense of strategy when taking on some of these monsters, and the past 4 i've watched (all different players) none of them mantled the monster. Thanks!
Speedrunning doesn't normally include mounting since it wastes a lot of time and you sacrifice DPS. It's only really viable if you are playing with others, as other players will be able to attack the monster whilst it is thrashing around.
i think that los is having a break down in last 3 minute, he just stood there
Amazing run, though I do have to admit that given this is a beta, the Ultra spam needs to be balanced. I was hyped when they announced Ultras don’t deplete the red shield anymore, but now seeing people use it this way makes me feel bad for other weapons.
+Frothbite ss This isn't really 4U charge blade. 4U cb required you to mostly GP attacks and chain with AEDs then use axe loops when the mon was KOed. This was mainly due to losing red shield and SAEDs not doing as much damage. So far in world the SAED damage is so insane that all you do is charge phials and spam SAEDs. It's a very different playstyle.
You even feel bad for the dual blades? Who rainy used to kill the who wildspire wastes faster than anyone has done it with the charge blade?
Julian Putnam Oh but I'm sure you know I was just generalising. We all know by now about the strength of the DBs in the beta - 2strong.
i think its damage output is a bit too high. My opinion
As a charge blade user with 600+ hours in 4u, and 300+ in mhgen I have to disagree. Forcing the user to play half and half in axe/sword limited the versatility of the weapon. It was adaptable, sure, but having to go into axe form just to damage? Sorry but I think Capcom finally understood that players don't all share the same style of play and killing off a key function to many players favorite weapon was just heart-breaking.
I need an opinion from you guys. Do you think it would be more optimal playing this on the pc with a keyboard and mouse, or a pc exclusive controller?
Hey the game just launched and I was wondering about CB style. If the SAED does twice as damage as an AED wouldn't be optimal to use 2 AEDs instead of 1 SAED + Charge Phials?
How are you doing this, so that he is always on the ground from battle start? Instead being mid air
3:10
Dat glorious dodge
what a fucking savage using the Rathian CB to kill a Rathalos, not only is that cruel but it's also not even optimal since rath resists the fire element.
(I know this is beta and there probably weren't many CB options to choose from)
I miss the GP to Super meta :(
It is still there, that was basically the bread and butter of cb in 4u , actually good CB players are very good at timing and counter attacking , this whole ultra spamming isn't how 4u was played in fact I'm pretty sure he is actually losing damage by not going to axe mode when monster is downed higher dps but again you gotta know the timing , this guy didn't even aim for the easy super KOs.
He does it like 3 times in this video although now you can just block no need for a gp
And here i was told rape isn't allowed on RUclips
I've never played a monster hunter game before this beta- so far I've loved the move set and appearance of the Hammer class weapon. Whats the general consensus on that class of weapon in MH:W?
K Wright hammer is definitely one of the best weapons for people starting out. It's got a simple move set with an emphasis on knocking out the monster so the rest of your team can maximize damage output. It's a bit on the slower side, but it gives you a lot more maneuverability compared to great sword. Overall a great weapon, although with time and effort there's really no such thing as a bad weapon in mh if you know how to use it!
1:19 what happened here?
He flashed the monster in mid air which made it fall over.
Rocksteady seems like the only one that is used. Ive never seen anyone use the glide mantle.
チャアク使いなので参考にしたいけど、上手すぎて参考にならないです…w
しかも止めの一撃が超高出力ってカッコいいですね！
質問ですが、主さんは苦手な武器ないんですか？
I'm conflicted. I've ALWAYS loved SAED. Like, It just felt so much more satisfying than anything else in the game to me, but it was always considered a really trash move because of how many resources it consumed to even do it once, and it got worse over time too. So i'm happy to see it actually be good now, but at the same time, it's ...really really good. Honestly, the only thing I don't like is that guard pointing seems a lot less rewarding now.
SylemGistoe How would you say the guard points feel less rewarding?
If i'm not mistaken, you can do all the same follow ups from just a normal block now- and red shield block also gets the explosion. So you can just red shield block into AED. Also, you can now walk while blocking. I mean, the late guard point on the round slashes are still frames on the end of an attack, which is nice. However, (and I could be super wrong, because I had a limited time) if you were relying on the R+Triangle first frames GP, I just don't see how you get more benefit out of doing that than just blocking, except you can cancel into it earlier after an attack. It's not so much that guard pointing is bad, but that regular guarding seems better than ever with the weapon.
SylemGistoe You can still do all the things you pointed out with normal guard so you're not mistaken, don't worry, and as you pointed out, guarding with CB has improved greatly due to the fact that you can actually move whilst guarding now (I think other weapons can do this as well now). The Sword to Axe GP in my opinion is the best guarding method the CB has as it essentially allows you to guard in between attack strings. Trying to go for a normal guard in this instance would put you in recovery frames of the initial attack before allowing you to guard. Plus I'm pretty sure you only get the bursts from doing GPs instead of guarded normally, unless I'm mistaken, so that's a nice added bonus I suppose.
I believe you get the explosions from any connection with your shield, guard point or normal guard. Cancelling out of some attack frames seems to be about the only benefit now, unless it's revealed you get guard +1 or +2 from guard pointing, but trying it in the demo, I definitely don't think that's the case. Oh well, i'm just surprised how amazing the weapon is now. It's like 4U but *better.* Honestly, every weapon feels that way. Every weapon with a block (except greatsword I guess) can now move while blocking, and lance and gunlance can even dodge forward with it too now.
It's insane, but every weapon seems crazy good. It's amazing. I predict there will be a lot of people trying to enforce speed run tactics, but many purposefully shirking those tactics to go for stylish fighting, because there are a lot of "most viable maneuvers" to spam, otherwise, regardless of weapon. (Here's looking at you, Dragon Piercer Arrows.) lol.
SylemGistoe Thanks for clarifying the shield bursts thing, I wasn't paying much attention to it during the demo XD. Having the GP in Sword mode would still be beneficial regardless but I get what you're saying. Playing the most 'optimal' way tends to be spammy; CB was GP -> Ultra\Super rinse and repeat back in 4U, whilst barely using Axe mode unless it was down. I never really liked this method and found it *WAY* more fun and rewarding to use a mix of both Axe and Sword. As you said, people will enforce their own optimal tactics but unless you're a speed runner, what's the big deal as long as you're enjoying the hunt. Regarding the other weapons, Switch Axe, at least for me feels like it's had a complete overhaul and I love it. Can't wait to use it again
Over here destroying them ankles! Awesome run. Have u messed with lance yet?
What do u think about kinsect?
Bro it was like you were in demon mode while using charge blade.You're too good.
Should have kept the CB how it was in 4u. Where you loose the red shield after the ultra.
yes they should have! buuuut charge blade users are jut THAT more OP now.
They nerfed the overall damage of the CB though and removing the red shield after ultra without buffing CBs damage would result in it being shit
How do you charge the shield so quickly at 00:58 ?
What does SAED and AED mean?
Does anyone else playing the beta feel that evasion is particularly forgiving in this game? I'm usually not very good at evading but so far I've had no issues dodging most attacks.
Narondo, I haven't actually played the beta, but you have considered the possibility that you’ve gotten better at MH?
Not likely I got much better seeing as how I was playing double cross shortly before and not doing to great.
I feel that too, I think rolls might have more I-frames in this game. In previous games (without evasion 3), you had to actually time your rolls while in this beta, it seems you can just spam roll and your fine.
Narondo So MH have turn to Dark Souls now?
Everything Danish fuck you and your 'Souls' tag, I'm sick of people like you
I should have watched this before I fought the Rathalos, watching this made me feel like a total noob hahaha!
i shoulda watched this before using a charge blade, i totally feel like a noob e__e
i did all of these kind of attacks but...........way slower and not as smooth as switching between shield/sword to axe stance as such
おぉ！ロマン戦法が実用的に…！
Once I saw "Charge Blade solo" and "Rainy" I thought "Hell, its about time!" You looked super at home with that CB, friend. But I think I understand why you haven't used it as much in your World videos. Not losing the shield charge and just spamming the SAED...gross. So many leg trips.
da hell is the SAED?
When you are so good that Japanese people have to comment on your video
Dafuq? I always thought that the little tent was there as decoration bwahahah.
you don't lose red shield on the super slam? they are definetly going to nerf this lol
Nice hunt dude!!
Do you think the KO values on CB got nerfed in Axe Mode? I was going ham on this fucker's head with the usual AED combo and when he was down, did the usual two swings>upswing>two swings>AED combo (sorry, can't remember official names) and have only managed to get one KO on him.
KOs are literally useless in this game, they take so long to get and last like 4 seconds, on top of the monster KO recovery animation being gone. leg trips are the real KO as they easily last twice as long.
I think weapon KO values are lower or monster resistance is higher because KO king has 3 levels which goes up to 30% bonus KO.
it's like 3 hits, the slash from raising the axe up, and then the down smash does 2 hits, one at the slam and one at the end. and then phials depending on how many you have loaded.
Damn that sucks. I mean its nice since we're spamming powerful attacks but sucks because well, it leaves ya prone for a bit and thats all you're doing. The slide attack also kinda sucks :/ Well, at least we have out GP into Discharge back.
I personally love the slide attack, you don't have to use it often but it is nice for repositioning yourself or even dodging a fireball.
So is chargeblade all about spamming ultras now?
最近チャアク使ってんだけど、
知らない攻撃いっぱいあった。
I seriously hope the monsters are harder than this. Even a higher rank rathalos would have suffered the same fate but with more hp is all...
In The Beginning They will be more harder.This is just a beta
Awesome skills man!
I used Gunlance to barely beat him in 20min and you annihilated him in 5min. lol
Rathalos be Killed by rathian charge blade, how irony
一分55くらいのモーションどーするの？
52びょうだった
R2〇のチャージ中に△長押し
あんたそのアカウント画像勝手に使ってるけど大丈夫？
Is this the same game I'm playing?
rainy, how are you liking the game? it's legit? the combat is good as MH4u?
I love it. Speed runs are very hard to get good times on because of the variables like erratic AI switching areas for no reason or limping away for 2 years. but the combat itself is fine.
Rainy I trust you more than other reviewers so I really appreciate the reply! Thanks! Hype!
Wait wait wtf soooooo Los went away to escape the hunter, just for him to come back literally 10 seconds later after he left...
Riiiiighhhhhttttt
オンで超高出力連発する奴出てきてチャアクが地雷武器認定される可能性が…
Try heavy bowgun, see if you can still get under 7 minutes.
Damn. I can do most of what he's doing except the most important thing, I suck at aiming that super slam. -_-". I hope I can be as good as this guy with CB. I'll be entering the hyperbolic time chamber in this incoming 2nd beta test to practice. Lmao
真似しようとしたけど18分も掛かったゾ…
very nice skills man
Hi guys..how to do saed in sword form?im a bit clueless right now..sorry..a newbie here
Nadzmi Abdullah With weapon drawn: Triangle, Triangle + Circle, Triangle + Circle
OR
Triangle + Circle, + Triangle + Circle, Triangle + Circle
If your weapon is not drawn you can do:
Triangle, Triangle + Circle, Triangle + Circle
And if you want to cancel the SAED or Ultra, and simply do an AED or Super, you can press Triangle and BACKWARDS on the control stick RIGHT WHEN YOUR AXE STARTS GLOWING FOR THE SLAM, where backwards is the direction opposite your hunter is about to discharge their load. This only consumes one phial but does less damage
Hope this helps
Julian Putnam thanks man.. appreciated it!
May I ask what's SAED? Never used charge blade before lol
Oh never mind, it's the heaviest attack in this weapon.....
深雪零式サ・フォイエの It's Super Amped Elemental Discharge. It's the charge blades special attack when the shield is charged and all of the phials are filled. When he slams the ground and all those blasts come out of the weapon, that's the SAED. One of the strongest attacks in the game.
holy crap. So fast dude
超高出力強化解除されないのか
強くなったな
Beautiful.
cb is op in this ver wtf, u can keep your shield buff after ultra.. nerf incoming again next version ;D
上手すぎｨ！
At first when I was using cb (been maining it since 4u) I just kept using the normal gp into super on rathalos and I got a 16 minute kill. But then when I realized that the red shield doesn't go away (and learned where he goes each time), I just spammed ultra burst and got an 8 minute kill. Charge blade seems pretty op in this game due to that shield charge not going away but it has a high skill level so I don't think it'll ever be considered a "cheap/noob" weapon. I've never encounterd another cb user in the beta when playing online either so I think it's pretty uncommon with the noobs right now.
BROKEN I LOVE IT
無双シスギィィ
WOW，amazing
Awesome!
that was epic
Capcom pls nerf
What a childish response. He's a nublet for wanting the game to be balanced? How is calling him a noob even relevant considering he isn't even playing the game? This isn't even a PvP game, yet you're acting like you destroyed him in a match and now he's whining. Do you even know how this game works, or what QQ even means?
Having a weapon be too strong relative to the others is a genuine concern because it makes the other options less viable, and with less viable weapon options the game loses much of its variety, and thus loses much of its fun factor.
wao
LMAO RAINY YOU MADMAN
Just look at those elitists complaining about CB, where are they now lol?
The hit sound effects are so fucking terrible in this game. I don't know what they were thinking. MH4U had some of the most satisfying hit sound effects in gaming, but here it just sounds like ass. It doesn't sound satisfying at all.
in MHW all evasion skill are useless... never need them like on 3ds or switch
Kinda slow but still respect it!
滅多打ちで草
This is a low rank Rathalos, what u expected guys!?
They said MHW the environment is life. But what I see is just a painting. No interaction anyway.
That's because these speed runners aren't using the environment to their advantage. You most definitely can, but using the environment does not benefit Speed Runners unless its something like Flash bugs.
Playing the game is always different than watching it.
The environment is actually incredibly interactive
Almost every inch of the ground and walls is packed with details and critters you can pick up with your net.
Everything Danish Nice bait it's funny how easy communitys can get triggered
He said no interaction, which is completely correct. What do you think the place should look like after a huge fire breathing dragon thrash all over the place to take down a mice he simply can't catch? Somehow the nest is still intact, the twigs on the ground don't move a bit, no fire burning or smoke anywhere, no foot prints, no change to the terrain whatsoever after a 2 ton monster thrash around.
poor thing barely got a hit in lol