so true they went insect able to fly for a long time is really bad, let's remove it the highest stun move? lets make it slower to use and less stun atlest it seemed like the weakpoint moves it gained were really strong
@@EricBlanchBrines they also heavily nerfed the charge blade. And in sunbreak, they also heavily nerfed the Long Sword while making the Great Sword the new Long Sword (by giving Great Sword the strongest counter and second strongest move in all of MH) and making gunner even more broken. But if we were to talk about the biggest nerf, it has to be prowler between MHGen and MHGU. They destroyed it, for no valid reason.
@@alathreon8315 they nerfed prowler hard because low quality "clickbait" youtubers would make videos or streams claiming how "prowler is op" during the mhgen days,the community also did it a lot. So they nerfed prowler in mhgu/mhxx to the 80th dimension and banned it from ever returning in the franchise,all for the "crimes" the community committed. 🥲
@@lolkirby1 even then the nerf was ludicrous. They nerfed it so much that G rank prowler stats in MHGU were the same as high rank MHGen. Not only they nerfed the weakest weapon, but they also gave it the hardest nerf in history. Forget Insect Glaive or Charge Blade from MH4U to MHGen.
Honestly yeah,ive played most of monster hunter alone or with randoms who i never saw again,but when i play with my brother and his friends in the game or find some hunters too join every now and then,its was way funner then without.
Learned that from 3U and 4U..... kinda also learned that from XX which sadly was tecnically unplayable online for me. (The game worked..... the japanese did not . _.)
That means in Wilds, the OP weapon will probably be able to take advantage of offset attacks, power clashes, and focus mode. So it will probably be heavy bowgun again or great sword.
I think it's unfair in 4U to not talk about the Insect Glaive. Because yes, the gravios HBG is the strongest, but only in multiplayer with a very specific team composition. Outside of this, Insect Glaive is better.
@@spiff7575there was an increasing mounting threshold, but it was a slow increase which made mounting consistently rather easy even late into the hunt
@@spiff7575 InsectGlaive wasn't broken just because of that, but also because it was the srongest weapon outside of this very specific HBG strategy and I guess perfect relic GS.
@@alathreon8315 I agree. IG and CB were very powerful in 4U with GS. But the IG was more polyvalent for all monsters. Bounding Dalamadur was so amazing
U can easily do the quests solo with the Gigacanon setup if you‘re experienced Which translates in the fastest clear time. But its difficult and with the IG its much easier since mounting is a piece of cake in 4U
Man i really miss the old school skill system. I know it’s super dated now but that feeling of having the skills you want active while also counter slotting decorations so you wouldn’t have the negative skills active was one of my favorite parts of old school monster hunter games.
Since, MHP3rd is missing MHP3rd had Bamboo gunlance with biggest artillery damange which where you can use Auto guard glitch with to mow down monsters with zero effort similar to the MH3G’s kelbi bow. Also Devil jho’s LBG rapidfire dragon shot was ridiculously strong, it could down High Rank Uragaan just under 2mins solo with no speedrun training.
@@nday76 I would argue, all the meta element LBGs in P3rd are incredibly powerful. Rathalos for Flaming S RF, Ludroth for Water S RF, Zinogre for Thunder S RF as well as some very useful utility options like slicing S, Barioth for Ice S RF and the aforementioned Jho LBG. And all they needed was Element Atk Up, Rapid Fire to increase the amount of bullets shot by round (from 3 to 4 and 2 to 3 for Dragon S), their respective Fire/Water/Thunder/Ice/Dragon Atk +2 skill and (if manageable, this is not 100% required) Load Up to increase clip size. They all low key destroy their corresponding match up, and are a must to have if you want to use LBG in P3rd.
the bamboo GL is complete trash tho, because you're gonna need to spend 25 skill points into fixing its sharpness. Shell damage also really sucks in p3rd. You would only use the shell glitch defensively and mainly use poke combos, or ideally, not rely on it at all and make better sets with better charms.
@@levobertus I'd say it's more like gimmick build, something like the Lost Musket from MHGen, it's not the most broken thing but it's seems like fun stuff, it seems the devs acknowledge the Auto-Guard quick reload glitch to be implemented as the guard point quick reload for MHGU's Valor Style Gunlance and the guard reload Switch Skill in MHRise
Also in MH and nerfed but still viable MH Freedom (portable) SnS had 1.5 dmg boost for "scaling" with stronger weapons. So mix it with white sharpness and you were able to trivialize the game with a couple SnS. Starting with Assassin's Dagger, then Poison it with Gypceros and just GG. I completed 1st gen SnS only and it was way too easy XD
This video is weird because not only do you not have any specific criteria what constitutes as "best" or "strong", but the picks are also not really good. In MH tri, the clust bowgun is literally only used for 1 single monster. And you needed 4 players to actually pull off this strat. That is 1 single multiplayer matchup it's best at. It loses to close range pierce in literally every single other matchup in the game. Not to mention the most agreed upon best weapon for general purpose hunting is the Alatreon lance. Why use the Crimfat lance in G when you could also clust Fatalis in that game like Alatreon in tri? There's no real logic behind this choice imo. The kelbow in 3U is also just wrong. Like straight up. It doesn't even win in its own category because the Brachy bow is better for slime spread bows. That's also not even factoring in the actual best weapons like the HBGs with the underwater ammo cycle glitch or just the raw power of 4 pierce siege HBGs that far outdamage kelbow, or the other op guns like God's Archipelago and Miralis LBG, which just shit on monsters solo and online. The info on GU bowguns is also completely incorrect. So much misinfo, holy shit. First of all, Challenger gives 15% affi in this game, secondly, nobody uses this skill on HBG. It's more expensive and less strong than using Crit Eye 3, which most of the meta sets use. Secondly, Repeat Offender increases stacks per ticks, not per shot. It's maxed out after two shots, not six. Additionally, you can't get this skill together with Weakness Exploit unless you have a 2 skill charm, which is extremely rare. If you're save editing op charms, it is just worse Crit Eye 3, so this skill only sees use in matchups where Weakness Exploit isn't good to replace it. It has about a 30% usage in TA, while WE has 70%-ish. It almost never replaces CE3 outside of extremely specific, non-optimal charms (e.g. I have a pierce 4 tenderizer 4 OOO which lets me add it via Neset, but not CE3). The pierce crit distance is also wrong. Pierce 1 has a much smaller crit distance compared to pierce 2, which means that you actually have much less leeway with your positioning. This is the reason even TA runs and hame runs still use shot booster, because the pierce 1 crit dist is really shit. You only have about a 1 roll window to keep it without SB, which is really bad. Pierce 2&3 have a much better crit distance and can forego this skill in pretty much all relevant matchups. The reason pierce 1 is better is because it has better motion values and average recoil requirement. This means higher raw bowguns use it and the damage concentration on the weakspot is higher. The crit distance is not a reason this ammo is good, in fact it is its only big problem. And finally, the Daora HBG is not considered the best HBG as far as the meta goes. It is second place behind the Orcus Quarcus. The slot is actually quite important for some god charm sets (e.g. the hotblooded set or the full GX Old with AuS are only possible with 2 slots) and the para siege is important on some matchups and for a couple of multiplayer strats and limp stops. The 10 raw is also not as big of a deal because Orcus has slicing 2 and it takes until the second full combine for Daora's to overtake it, damage-wise. The much bigger deciding factor for choosing Daora is the deviation, because Orcus gets small L/R deviation from temper, while Daora gets large L from it. The Orcus can also buff teammates with Demon armor in multiplayer, which is a huge buff (1.1x sharpness, 1.7 crit dist for bowguns). The TA use rate of Orcus to Daora is about 2:1 right now and there are few reasons to take Daora unless you never use para or demon shots and can't make a better set from the extra slot. It's definitely worth using a lot of the time, but as of right now, it's behind Orcus as far as meta goes, both solo and online. I would've liked this video a lot more if it included all the games and you had done a proper layout of the criteria and actually researched the games as well as checked back with the current best players to ask for their opinions. They would disagree with most of your picks here.
@@Bunnibunnibunni I mean yeah sure, but it's almost comical how out of touch this is and how easily this could've been avoided simply by going on the MH discords and simply asking in the respective game's channel. But I guess even the absolute most basic research is too much to ask for.
Some additional additions/corrections: (an expansion of the comment from @CanadianAdim) MHG: 1:39 Keep in mind that is G Wii, which had had different balancing than the original Monster Hunter G MH2: As mentioned, Eternal Schisms is in contention alongside Hammer (across the board) for Dos's strongest weapon, but I believe it can be outpaced by White Fatalis's Bow (specifically because of Charge Level 2 and 3) on most Dragon weak matchups. Dos also had an the 1.5 mod for White sharpness and Adrenaline. A few weapons could make use of both, but it is stronger than it is F2. MHF2/MHP2: 4:40 Speed Fire is not Rapid Up, it is the predecessor/equivalent to Auto Reload, and causes bows to charge faster like Focus. MH3: Clust should be out damaged in most matchups and in solo/duo isn't really viable to fully bank on as you will run out. It's also not an exception to the games that came before. Also, purple sharpness is a 1.5 mod in Tri, because it is a sequel to Dos / Freedom Unite, who's max sharpness has the same mod. MHWI: The Snowman Glitch should have at least been mentioned.
@Kostie100 with gunlance you can setup large barrel bombs and the snowmans (that was given during a Christmas event) if you do a gunlance stake through the bombs/snowman the stake hits do bombs damage so you can do easily 5000-10000 damage per stake.
God.. The Kelbi Bow was the most braindead weapon ever created , it was crazy. Now I wonder which weapon type is the best per generation since the weapons showcased here need either a specific build or a few steps.
@@mofomiko Is It even possible to make such a video, though? xD I think It would be easier to talk from each player's perspective Instead of stating facts, cuz In my case, In MH3 all weapons were amazing, I practically mained them all (especially Hammer & Switch Axe); In 3U I mainly mained Gunlance cuz It had the most satisfying sfx when landing on the weak spot, and It was also busted imo; In 4U I mained CB & IG cuz they were too easy to wield, and also so busted; In GenU (I played XX tho x( ) there were too much variations (emphasis In much xD), but favorites were definitely Valor LS & Valor DB cuz It was the solution to most variants If playing solo xd (Haven't played World or Rise MH, and from the old ones I got a chance to play MHFU. Mained GS, Hammer, sns & HBG there :D Too much power o_O and HBG were always the right answer against Basarios & Gravios xD)
lance in gen 1 was busted headlocking was so ridiculous it trivialized fights where you could pull it off we literally head locked lao shan in mh1 so bad we timed out before he hit final area and we had to wait an extra 5+ min for him to get there for the repel mission end to cue 🤣
Yeah to head lock pretty much all monsters in the first game I think the lance just needed above 300 attack. Then stab stab stab back jump repeat until win.
@@AJofCA nah plate farming for Eternal annihilator was a chore worst item to farm mats for in game even the rust weps and rare swordfish and blos heart werent as annoying
MH1JP and NA strongest weapon was the Black Dragon Spear MHF1 all Sword and Shields are busted with a 1.5 sharpness modifier being given to them that stacks with their weapon sharpness (White sharpness is a 1.3 mod) MH2 added the 4 new weapon types of Longsword, Gunlance, Hunting Horn, and Bow. MH2's strongest weapon is a few things Eternal Schisms are incredibly powerful against Elder Dragons, and Hammer overall is very very strong, Clust gunning is also very strong allowing sub 5 minute White Fatails runs. MHP2G/FU did not introduce Auto-Reload, that skill was introduced in MHG
@@CanadianAdim One of the comments below also mentions the Auto Guard Shelling Gunlance glitch, which is equivalent to MHGU Valor LS but if the s were closer to fade slash in World lol
I remember one of the most broken class in 4U is the charge blade. Set up properly, you get easy KOs, be almost untouchable with most monsters using guard points, and BIG BIG damage. I remember my hammer using friend being very salty that I got all the KOs.
Bow was just as strong as DB's in Sunbreak if not stronger. The Berserk/Strife set on bow gave the weapon infinite stamina, insane raw and element, and made the normally squishy bow player invincible. Bow also had the power shot animation cancel that allowed the weapon to shoot off two volleys after every dash. And bow's damage wasn't locked behind wirebugs like DB's which relied on spamming Spiral Thrust.
As a main of both, Bow just lets you not even play the game normally since every single drawback is negated with berserk/strife Dual blades are definitely number 2 t
Can concur as well I remember when primordial released he was using me like a pinball and yet could never kill me same with hazard it was a war of attrition at that rate and he didn't win. same for every monster since TU3 tbh
I miss Valor man... LS and HBG as broken as they were, so damn fun with that style. No one will disagree being a Sekiro or Master Chief is massive fun in Generation.
@emishimaru-sama6449 I don't remember much with Valor DB, so I can't say much. But what I do remember, Valor as a style generally fun for every weapon types. Pretty sure DB high in the list too.
I tend to agree with him. I skipped out on pretty much all of gen 4 until Gen Ultimate came to switch because I can't stand playing MH without a second stick for camera control. I also wasn't a big fan of Rise, but to be fair I wasn't a huge fan of World either. I feel like the 5th gen brought too much streamlining and casualization to monster hunting simulation, and Rise only doubled down on that.
Just because it doesn't kill the fastest doesn't mean it isn't overtuned beyond believe. since Gen 5 you have speed, range, free I-Frames and counters. On top of that LS needs NO supportive skills whatsoever, you can get extremely greedy and just jam all the attack and affinity skills into your armor. It is the baby mode weapon
its a combination of horizon and monster hunter. looking amazing but the fact that its just copying 2 games is lazy. 100% going to play it tho. its like a full upgrade of horizon.
@@jdogzerosilverblade299 just about every game is copying another in some way or form. Nioh copied Souls games with it's rogue like mechanics, Digimon copied Pokemon with it's capture monsters to have them fight, Trove/Terraria copied Minecraft with it's survival and mine square blocks, etc. There is no true "originality" in this world anymore it's just copied mechanics with your own spin on it.
@@xeath9992 insperation isnt copying. nioh made a souls like game but added its own combat mechanic stealth mechanics and battle methods. like after attacking you can do a move that instantly restores a bunch of stamina. or that headshots with a ranged weapon isnta kill normal enemies to help with stealth. digimon pretty much only took inspiration from the evolution part of pokemon but that's it really. terraria did not copy Minecraft so don't try with that. i played both a lot and literally the only thing they "copied" was gathering wood to make a workbench. literally everything else is different from bosses to combat to traps to game progression to building and more. haven't played much of trove. i tried it and it seemed closer to roblox than Minecraft. now this game literally straight up copied horizons monster designs. its so close it might as well be sueable. now I said monster hunter due to the weapons in the game being very similar. sword and shield hammer bow were shown. riding a mount is horizon themed as well. for the monsters that's not inspiration that's borderline theft. for weapons its meh. at least they made the hammer look original. the crafting in the game might or might not be copied who knows.
A slight correction. In GU the attack difference between daora and zin HBG was minimal. Daora in practice only got around 1 extra damage a pierce shot, while zin got slightly better slicing ammo damage (which you use to charge valor), that more or less made up for the slight damage loss. Because of this, zin was almost always taken over daora, unless you already have 1-2 zin guns on a team. This ironically makes it even more OP, cause imagine all the crazy things valor pierce can give, and now it just can get a free para too with the siege para 2 shots.
Glad to see that almost every monster hunter content creator favorite MH is 3 tri just like me, but I introduced MH to my friends with World and so I can't explain to them why we need aquatic combat back 😭 It's just the vibe, the freedom, the music... Hope to see a MH7 in Moga islands or some new archipelago... But I hope someday we will get a reboot or a PC launch of legacy games...
Bro, I've been rocking with TDS in the background for more than 10 years. Never got to play with you guys though. But glad you still share the same love for MH as I do!!! Keep it up.
World also had the Zinogre heavy bowgun. It was THE go-to for spread and was pretty comfy too. you could go balls to the wall with the barrel or more survivable with the shield. Made some hunts devolve into "walk up to target, hold trigger down, craft more ammo, repeat"
The combination of Lao Canon and Auto reload was called "La-auto" in Japan. Btw, MHF was running over 10 years with many updates, so it's like having sevaral generations in one game. I think it interesting that every generation of MHF had different Best Weapon.
To me who is a gen 5 newcomer this is really interesting, in world everyone would say LS was undoubtedly the best weapon taking everything in account, but others like bow and hbg were absolute beasts in terms of dmg
Lance in mh1 was god tier. Particularly, the fatalis lance. Though I remember everyone called it headlocking. You had to time the 3rd poke to get the headlock. Made farming rathalos plates a dream!
I absolutely adore Berserk Strife Dual blades, so powerful yet so comfy. And if you get lucky with your charm and qurio crafting, you can combine them with skills like blood awakening and mail of hellfire for even more power and survivability.
Honorable 4u mention: furia sedition, the seregios hbg. It has really high raw, positive affinity and big clip sizes for pierce 1 and 2. The auto reloading of 1 bullet per evade made it so you could go a long time of dodging and shooting before actually having to reload. Arguably the better hbg for playing without a status gunner/siege hbg team composition
Wasn’t the chernobog’s scythe one of the most op weapons in 4U? The high sharpness, 45% affinity, on top of sleep element meant every other second the monster was either stunned or sleeping?
Honorable mentions for Lance: -> Striker lance (the only blade master weapon able to keep up with valor LS in mhgu. Thank you rage guard) -> mh4u evade lance. Instant access to 2-3 seconds of I-frames at any point of you combo. Damage wise not the best, but holy sh*t the stuff you could get away with.
Gen 1; the only time Lance users were feasting like kings. but i say they're eating well in Wilds. i say this because, since one of my sets is going to be called "Knight", my secondary weapon will be the Lance (primary being my main, the SnS) - and i've used it a few times in Iceborne and Sunbreak, and it was a fun time.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 i feel like sns in GU is def op but that game has stuff that's like even more stupidly op so ig it's all kinda relative haha. def an op version of sns but not on the level of the truly overtuned shit in that game imo
Why is it that op? Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I've had a better experience with the Greatsword even though it's not nearly as good as it is in newer generations.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 Yes and no, it has high potential but compared to other options like Valor LS, Valor GS, and especially Valor HBG, it's kind of meh-- especially on monsters like Fatalis or Nakarkos who are unaffected by most of the boons of Chaos Oil. The usual 5-attack combo most speedrunners use deals about 80 mv on top of 5 elem hits, which pales in comparison to a lv 3 Valor Draw at 115 mv.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 No because its competing with HBG in that game. In Freedom 1 SnS motion values were that broken that one combo was better than 2 and a half from GS.
BDS in MH1 was one of if not the most used weapon in 5-6 star hunts. Lance was not the least used weapon IMO. That goes to the bowguns. I only saw those on Fatalis and Lao missions consistently
The other thing with the un-nerfed slicing builds in world was that even though it was super OP, it was extremely unfun to play with someone else who was using it. The slicing had a massive hitbox and caused knockback equivalent to a barrel bomb on allies so it was basically impossible to play a melee weapon if someone on your team was using slicing builds.
In the first MH, before G, fatalis lances (Black Dragon Spear) were actually a common meta. Essentially, most of us were just farming plates (Ian + Los) and that was relatively effective with headlock. The whole thing was then called tp (troublesome pair) pl8 run in the jargon of the time. (One single BDS could basically lock the monster completely with right timing) Only for Fatalis were guns with Clust lvl 2 standard. Otherwise there were a few people with GS (Eternal Slayer) or other lances (Greybug Javelin), but mainly BDS. But it's true, lances weren't that popular before the endgame. But as soon as the headlock worked, basically everyone was running around with it and for other weapons (with the exception of GS for the Tail Cut) you were more likely to be grumbled at or not taken on the quest. At least that's how it was on the EU servers around 2005 / 06.
Honorable mention should be: -MonHun Portable/Freedom with Sword and Shield Got it's damage increased by 50% cuz back in og Japanese MH1, MHG and the international MH1 release, SnS was very underpowered. Only ever carried by element alone. So, together with nerfing Lance, they buffed SnS by an outrageous amount. So much that 2 quick slashes of the strongest SnS were stronger than the unsheath attack of the strongest GS in the game. Yes, the range is still an issue, but, if you know your way around it, SnS is the most powerful weapon in MHF.
surprise for many generations gunner Being absolute monster annihilators but not a single community MH community nowadays talk about it until capcom touched LS then we got MH Drama about LS again.
Exactly. And for it to be even slightly close to the power of other weapons like bow, you have to always stay inside the goddamn circle and keep it up at the expense of your wirebugs, when you also need them for your counter switch skills. And if the monster decides to stay outside of the circle or not attack you because it's doing literally anything else, you'll have to stay there doing nothing while Harvest Moon runs out. And in the Berserk/Strife roasting section, he describes chugging max potions like it if it was freaking herbs he was talking about. Yes TDS, being immortal is fair because you still take knock back and have to constantly stop attacking to sheathe your weapon, switch scrolls, heal, switch scrolls back again, and then chase the monster because you've probably got very far away from it to be allowed to heal in peace.
The bowguns required a modicum of interest in range weapon, which a lot of people don't have. LS on the other hand, attracts the most players, so naturally it's gonna get the most hate. There's a reason why LS is the most popular weapon in almost every gen it's been in, yet not being the best weapon in many of them.
@@sammidul4080 okay but what they did to Gunlance for the longest time is a war crime, seems to be very fun in Wilds though! and shelling scales off raw now!
Rise's base game also had Bow as a solid contender for most broken weapon. See, Rise used Motion Values close to World's for the shot types, so Rapid 3 (akin to a Normal lv 3 shot) does around 30 MV, Spread 5 (akin to Power 3/4) does around 40, etc. BUT, they brought back the old shot type system, and with it they also brought in the Raw modifiers straight from old games. So lv 3 shots got a 1.5x buff to raw and lv 4 shots got a whopping 1.7x buff. This made the Demon's Guidance one of the most broken weapons in the game. When Sunbreak came out Bow was knocked down a peg with its raw modifiers being cut in half, but the amount of nutty skills it got at endgame (the infamous Berserk + Strife combo in particular) kept it just as powerful even with heavy nerfs to what it was at its advent.
Oh man, i did all of those except for the rise combo. My favorite time was with the Akantor bow, killed everthing in the game and i remember doing the slicing ammo in the world before the patch too hahaha, good times.
You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. However, most people weren't getting SWB in LR due to needing to clear a quest that had a High Rank(G class in MHF1 terms) Silver Los and Gold Ian in the arena.
Striker Lance in base MHGen is also totally busted. You can do another Charge after Charge Finisher having a crazy 70 MV and combine it with the crazy hunter arts you can combine. (Absolute Readiness, Enraged Guard and Corkscrew Jab).
You forgot in iceborne almost max dmg safi hammer with dragon us overpowered on anything but fatalis and alatreon and fatalis light bowgun with all 3 stickys, pierce 3 or 2 can take down furious rajang within 4 seconds allowing you to get 400 - 1000+ dmg solo alone
6:08 saying changing the clip size from 3 to 60 is not completly correct since you can combine ammo to have more than 60 shots and still not need to reload making it's clipsize bigger.
Anyone not playing Lance in the first game didn't know what they were missing. You could headlock like crazy with that thing if you knew what you were doing, making many monsters trivial to fight.
Evade Alatreon Lance is the best weapon in Tri. Clust spam is only good vs Alatreon and only in 4 player multiplayer. Elemental Lance is the best weapon in 3U. The Kelbi bow is a meme weapon, Brachy bow is a better spread slime bow but slime is not even viable late game. Rapid Fire Pierce LBG is the best weapon in Sunbreak. It's got Frontier tier damage fit for the closest to Frontier monster power levels we've gotten in mainline games.
I started to play in MHR, I am enjoying a lot, the mobility, the weapons, the armors. I was expecting to be Charge Blade, but Dual Blades also makes sense, the dps is crazy.
I would love to see a video about the most OP builds in Sunbreak for each Weapon. I forgot how broken those endgame skills were in Sunbreak. I’m going through Sunbreak for the 3rd time with a new group of friends and I forgot how to play my weapon efficiently with all the armor skills I had on. Something about having to hit the monster a certain amount of time to build some kind of meter. Lol
My Gunlance gameplay was to spam Bullet Barrage as much as possible. So Skills like intrepid heart gave me one free hit of invincibility every time time I land a certain number of hits. I think it was one Wyrmstake and Bullet Barrage or two Wyrmstakes and a FullBurst.
I hate how almost every other RUclips never gives a straight answer for which weapon had the highest capabilities. Thankyou for not saying "well, every weapon is viable".
Because its fucking obvious. HBG has all the fastest glitchless hunts The difference isn't that insane tho that's why everyone says every weapon is viable. Its simply the truth. For casuals, every weapon is pretty balanced since skill has a much much higher impact on dps anyway. Monster Hunter is one of the balanced games out there. It's far from perfect but imo pretty good compared to other games that have a very streamlined meta. In monster hunter you can run all kinds of builds without being left behind players that only play meta if you know what your doing. it's very different for speedrunning tho. Speedruns mostly have a defined meta for every monster, weapon and game. you probably can't change that anyway.
Started at Freedom Unite and man I don't even know what I'm doing, my brother just let me play to get me occuppied. Used lunastra dual blades and fatalis armor just because it looks edgy and cool af. Good old Days 😂😂
Can I ask what the source of the weapon usage stats at 0:34 for MH1jp is? I didn't even know this type of data was ever available anywhere, because it seems farfetched to me that the same Lance that had the Black Dragon Spear and could headlock monsters to death was somehow the least used type in that game.
23:28 GOD. DAMN. GRONGIGAS. Also really wondering why they put that raised platform in the Alatreon arena lmao. Sure he can get his horns stuck into it, but mounting and monsters being able to attacks upwards weren't a thing yet so they just... felt like putting it there I guess? Considering both this and the shitty hitboxes of the rock spires in his Iceborne arena, Alatreon does seem to have a complicated relationship with walls (in multiple senses of the word aswell lmao, due to him being so difficult).
In 4u the insect glaive was overpowered due to how mounts were so spammable and id also like to mention the seregios lbg with slicing ammo because of how easily spammable it was and the ingredients were sold in the shop so you could take max ammo capacity with zero preparation. It was nerfed in mhgu because they made slicing an internal ammo and NOT craftable
Team Darkside, it has been almost 10 years since I first started watching your videos (MH4U content). Guild Quest Weapons were the reason why I played the game so much, and my favorite was the Sea Emperor's Sword.
Berserk, strife, Mail of Hellfire, with a touch of maximum might is the most broken combination ever existed in MH history, this combo can let you solo the whole rooster of the game
23:42 oh yeah i had one of those. I hunted with randos tho so they would usually not pay attention to the sleep proc and i ended up wishing i got a para gs instead. Never did tho...
Surprised the crimson fatalis insect glaive from 4U wasn't mentioned. It wasn't as powerful as a relic weapon but man if EVERY single person in G rank online lobbies wasn't using that thing.
Can't believe you've omitted the autoguard gunlances in MHP3: Autoguard activates even when shelling and reloading, hence when facing incomming attacks, just shell away in a brain dead manner. That's essentially the guard equivalence of the dodging capacity of Valor Style in MHGU, combined with the explosive qualities of slime.
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Is this a Monster Hunter and Horizon Zero Dawn mix? The monsters look like from Horizon and then the different weapons from Monster Hunter
I am glad you guys got sponsored, really deserved but this IA shit copying Horizon is shameful. Take the money and keep doing amazing MH videos
Don't you mean horizon?
Hey. I get you need to pay bills. But this is a low effort rip off by tencent that is not worth the reputation damage.
I like it man, its Elden Hunter: Pal Dawn
Capcom: "Damn, the Heavy Bowgun and Dual Blades were a little OP in these last few entries, huh? Nerf the Insect Glaive."
so true
they went insect able to fly for a long time is really bad, let's remove it
the highest stun move? lets make it slower to use and less stun
atlest it seemed like the weakpoint moves it gained were really strong
@@EricBlanchBrines they also heavily nerfed the charge blade. And in sunbreak, they also heavily nerfed the Long Sword while making the Great Sword the new Long Sword (by giving Great Sword the strongest counter and second strongest move in all of MH) and making gunner even more broken.
But if we were to talk about the biggest nerf, it has to be prowler between MHGen and MHGU. They destroyed it, for no valid reason.
@@alathreon8315 they nerfed prowler hard because low quality "clickbait" youtubers would make videos or streams claiming how "prowler is op" during the mhgen days,the community also did it a lot.
So they nerfed prowler in mhgu/mhxx to the 80th dimension and banned it from ever returning in the franchise,all for the "crimes" the community committed. 🥲
Gonna cry 😂
@@lolkirby1 even then the nerf was ludicrous. They nerfed it so much that G rank prowler stats in MHGU were the same as high rank MHGen. Not only they nerfed the weakest weapon, but they also gave it the hardest nerf in history. Forget Insect Glaive or Charge Blade from MH4U to MHGen.
The best weapon is the friends we made along the way
Honestly yeah,ive played most of monster hunter alone or with randoms who i never saw again,but when i play with my brother and his friends in the game or find some hunters too join every now and then,its was way funner then without.
I still dont have friends
🤮
Thats unironically true af
True. Another hunter is always better to have over any other weapon.
So incase this video isn't clear, *CAPCOM tends to make a new feature, overpowered.*
Learned that from 3U and 4U..... kinda also learned that from XX which sadly was tecnically unplayable online for me. (The game worked..... the japanese did not . _.)
That means in Wilds, the OP weapon will probably be able to take advantage of offset attacks, power clashes, and focus mode. So it will probably be heavy bowgun again or great sword.
I think it's unfair in 4U to not talk about the Insect Glaive. Because yes, the gravios HBG is the strongest, but only in multiplayer with a very specific team composition. Outside of this, Insect Glaive is better.
Wasn't mainly just because like slime In 3u there was not increase mounting threshold in 4u and glavie can easily vault in the air?
@@spiff7575there was an increasing mounting threshold, but it was a slow increase which made mounting consistently rather easy even late into the hunt
@@spiff7575 InsectGlaive wasn't broken just because of that, but also because it was the srongest weapon outside of this very specific HBG strategy and I guess perfect relic GS.
@@alathreon8315 I agree. IG and CB were very powerful in 4U with GS. But the IG was more polyvalent for all monsters. Bounding Dalamadur was so amazing
U can easily do the quests solo with the Gigacanon setup if you‘re experienced
Which translates in the fastest clear time.
But its difficult and with the IG its much easier since mounting is a piece of cake in 4U
Man i really miss the old school skill system. I know it’s super dated now but that feeling of having the skills you want active while also counter slotting decorations so you wouldn’t have the negative skills active was one of my favorite parts of old school monster hunter games.
Yeah, it felt like playing a puzzle game
I don’t love the old system, but I do appreciate it
I understand your perspective but nah it’s dated for a reason
The satisfaction of getting the perfect talisman for your set was just beyond anything
is anyone going to say why it's dated or worse than the current system or are we all just gonna say "uh yeah it's worse because uh it just is"
Since, MHP3rd is missing
MHP3rd had Bamboo gunlance with biggest artillery damange which where you can use Auto guard glitch with to mow down monsters with zero effort similar to the MH3G’s kelbi bow.
Also Devil jho’s LBG rapidfire dragon shot was ridiculously strong, it could down High Rank Uragaan just under 2mins solo with no speedrun training.
Thank you sir. The auto guard reload glitch in mhp3rd is arguably one of the most OP braindead tactic in the MH universe.
@@nday76 I would argue, all the meta element LBGs in P3rd are incredibly powerful.
Rathalos for Flaming S RF, Ludroth for Water S RF, Zinogre for Thunder S RF as well as some very useful utility options like slicing S, Barioth for Ice S RF and the aforementioned Jho LBG.
And all they needed was Element Atk Up, Rapid Fire to increase the amount of bullets shot by round (from 3 to 4 and 2 to 3 for Dragon S), their respective Fire/Water/Thunder/Ice/Dragon Atk +2 skill and (if manageable, this is not 100% required) Load Up to increase clip size.
They all low key destroy their corresponding match up, and are a must to have if you want to use LBG in P3rd.
the bamboo GL is complete trash tho, because you're gonna need to spend 25 skill points into fixing its sharpness. Shell damage also really sucks in p3rd. You would only use the shell glitch defensively and mainly use poke combos, or ideally, not rely on it at all and make better sets with better charms.
@@levobertus I'd say it's more like gimmick build, something like the Lost Musket from MHGen, it's not the most broken thing but it's seems like fun stuff, it seems the devs acknowledge the Auto-Guard quick reload glitch to be implemented as the guard point quick reload for MHGU's Valor Style Gunlance and the guard reload Switch Skill in MHRise
Also in MH and nerfed but still viable MH Freedom (portable) SnS had 1.5 dmg boost for "scaling" with stronger weapons.
So mix it with white sharpness and you were able to trivialize the game with a couple SnS. Starting with Assassin's Dagger, then Poison it with Gypceros and just GG.
I completed 1st gen SnS only and it was way too easy XD
This video is weird because not only do you not have any specific criteria what constitutes as "best" or "strong", but the picks are also not really good.
In MH tri, the clust bowgun is literally only used for 1 single monster. And you needed 4 players to actually pull off this strat. That is 1 single multiplayer matchup it's best at. It loses to close range pierce in literally every single other matchup in the game. Not to mention the most agreed upon best weapon for general purpose hunting is the Alatreon lance. Why use the Crimfat lance in G when you could also clust Fatalis in that game like Alatreon in tri? There's no real logic behind this choice imo.
The kelbow in 3U is also just wrong. Like straight up. It doesn't even win in its own category because the Brachy bow is better for slime spread bows. That's also not even factoring in the actual best weapons like the HBGs with the underwater ammo cycle glitch or just the raw power of 4 pierce siege HBGs that far outdamage kelbow, or the other op guns like God's Archipelago and Miralis LBG, which just shit on monsters solo and online.
The info on GU bowguns is also completely incorrect. So much misinfo, holy shit.
First of all, Challenger gives 15% affi in this game, secondly, nobody uses this skill on HBG. It's more expensive and less strong than using Crit Eye 3, which most of the meta sets use. Secondly, Repeat Offender increases stacks per ticks, not per shot. It's maxed out after two shots, not six. Additionally, you can't get this skill together with Weakness Exploit unless you have a 2 skill charm, which is extremely rare. If you're save editing op charms, it is just worse Crit Eye 3, so this skill only sees use in matchups where Weakness Exploit isn't good to replace it. It has about a 30% usage in TA, while WE has 70%-ish. It almost never replaces CE3 outside of extremely specific, non-optimal charms (e.g. I have a pierce 4 tenderizer 4 OOO which lets me add it via Neset, but not CE3).
The pierce crit distance is also wrong. Pierce 1 has a much smaller crit distance compared to pierce 2, which means that you actually have much less leeway with your positioning. This is the reason even TA runs and hame runs still use shot booster, because the pierce 1 crit dist is really shit. You only have about a 1 roll window to keep it without SB, which is really bad. Pierce 2&3 have a much better crit distance and can forego this skill in pretty much all relevant matchups. The reason pierce 1 is better is because it has better motion values and average recoil requirement. This means higher raw bowguns use it and the damage concentration on the weakspot is higher. The crit distance is not a reason this ammo is good, in fact it is its only big problem.
And finally, the Daora HBG is not considered the best HBG as far as the meta goes. It is second place behind the Orcus Quarcus. The slot is actually quite important for some god charm sets (e.g. the hotblooded set or the full GX Old with AuS are only possible with 2 slots) and the para siege is important on some matchups and for a couple of multiplayer strats and limp stops. The 10 raw is also not as big of a deal because Orcus has slicing 2 and it takes until the second full combine for Daora's to overtake it, damage-wise. The much bigger deciding factor for choosing Daora is the deviation, because Orcus gets small L/R deviation from temper, while Daora gets large L from it. The Orcus can also buff teammates with Demon armor in multiplayer, which is a huge buff (1.1x sharpness, 1.7 crit dist for bowguns). The TA use rate of Orcus to Daora is about 2:1 right now and there are few reasons to take Daora unless you never use para or demon shots and can't make a better set from the extra slot. It's definitely worth using a lot of the time, but as of right now, it's behind Orcus as far as meta goes, both solo and online.
I would've liked this video a lot more if it included all the games and you had done a proper layout of the criteria and actually researched the games as well as checked back with the current best players to ask for their opinions. They would disagree with most of your picks here.
Expecting tds to know anything about non-world games was probably a mistake lol
@@Bunnibunnibunni I mean yeah sure, but it's almost comical how out of touch this is and how easily this could've been avoided simply by going on the MH discords and simply asking in the respective game's channel. But I guess even the absolute most basic research is too much to ask for.
W explanation
Some additional additions/corrections: (an expansion of the comment from @CanadianAdim)
MHG:
1:39 Keep in mind that is G Wii, which had had different balancing than the original Monster Hunter G
MH2:
As mentioned, Eternal Schisms is in contention alongside Hammer (across the board) for Dos's strongest weapon, but I believe it can be outpaced by White Fatalis's Bow (specifically because of Charge Level 2 and 3) on most Dragon weak matchups.
Dos also had an the 1.5 mod for White sharpness and Adrenaline. A few weapons could make use of both, but it is stronger than it is F2.
MHF2/MHP2:
4:40 Speed Fire is not Rapid Up, it is the predecessor/equivalent to Auto Reload, and causes bows to charge faster like Focus.
MH3:
Clust should be out damaged in most matchups and in solo/duo isn't really viable to fully bank on as you will run out. It's also not an exception to the games that came before. Also, purple sharpness is a 1.5 mod in Tri, because it is a sequel to Dos / Freedom Unite, who's max sharpness has the same mod.
MHWI:
The Snowman Glitch should have at least been mentioned.
what was the snowman glitch?
@Kostie100 with gunlance you can setup large barrel bombs and the snowmans (that was given during a Christmas event) if you do a gunlance stake through the bombs/snowman the stake hits do bombs damage so you can do easily 5000-10000 damage per stake.
God.. The Kelbi Bow was the most braindead weapon ever created , it was crazy. Now I wonder which weapon type is the best per generation since the weapons showcased here need either a specific build or a few steps.
I agree, it's just a very speed-runner centric opinion
@@mofomiko Well, this Is Team Darkside's youtube channel, so we are not In the wrong place for that xD
@@emishimaru-sama6449 yees thats totally true. Plus the video tile ist literally "The Best Weapon" not weapon types 😂
@@mofomiko Is It even possible to make such a video, though? xD
I think It would be easier to talk from each player's perspective Instead of stating facts, cuz In my case, In MH3 all weapons were amazing, I practically mained them all (especially Hammer & Switch Axe); In 3U I mainly mained Gunlance cuz It had the most satisfying sfx when landing on the weak spot, and It was also busted imo; In 4U I mained CB & IG cuz they were too easy to wield, and also so busted; In GenU (I played XX tho x( ) there were too much variations (emphasis In much xD), but favorites were definitely Valor LS & Valor DB cuz It was the solution to most variants If playing solo xd
(Haven't played World or Rise MH, and from the old ones I got a chance to play MHFU. Mained GS, Hammer, sns & HBG there :D Too much power o_O and HBG were always the right answer against Basarios & Gravios xD)
Getting interrupted by Vespoids is the most Monster Hunter Unite thing to happen
I swear they are coded to do the dive-bomb when you put a bomb down. It happened every time, without fail
lance in gen 1 was busted
headlocking was so ridiculous it trivialized fights where you could pull it off
we literally head locked lao shan in mh1 so bad we timed out before he hit final area and we had to wait an extra 5+ min for him to get there for the repel mission end to cue 🤣
Yeah to head lock pretty much all monsters in the first game I think the lance just needed above 300 attack. Then stab stab stab back jump repeat until win.
Duuude grinding for and with BDS was so fun though
@@AJofCA nah plate farming for Eternal annihilator was a chore
worst item to farm mats for in game even the rust weps and rare swordfish and blos heart werent as annoying
MH1JP and NA strongest weapon was the Black Dragon Spear
MHF1 all Sword and Shields are busted with a 1.5 sharpness modifier being given to them that stacks with their weapon sharpness (White sharpness is a 1.3 mod)
MH2 added the 4 new weapon types of Longsword, Gunlance, Hunting Horn, and Bow.
MH2's strongest weapon is a few things Eternal Schisms are incredibly powerful against Elder Dragons, and Hammer overall is very very strong, Clust gunning is also very strong allowing sub 5 minute White Fatails runs.
MHP2G/FU did not introduce Auto-Reload, that skill was introduced in MHG
I feel like Wyvern Ammo in P3rd lacked a mention too.
@Tomix4k I'm not sure what's super strong in P3rd I still need to play that one.
@@CanadianAdim One of the comments below also mentions the Auto Guard Shelling Gunlance glitch, which is equivalent to MHGU Valor LS but if the s were closer to fade slash in World lol
I remember one of the most broken class in 4U is the charge blade. Set up properly, you get easy KOs, be almost untouchable with most monsters using guard points, and BIG BIG damage. I remember my hammer using friend being very salty that I got all the KOs.
Yeah, CB & IG were BUSTED In 4U. After all, It was their first appearance In Monster Hunter games xD
Bow was just as strong as DB's in Sunbreak if not stronger. The Berserk/Strife set on bow gave the weapon infinite stamina, insane raw and element, and made the normally squishy bow player invincible. Bow also had the power shot animation cancel that allowed the weapon to shoot off two volleys after every dash. And bow's damage wasn't locked behind wirebugs like DB's which relied on spamming Spiral Thrust.
Yes it is. I cheesed monsters with berserk strife bow in SB. I agree it is a little bit stronger than DB.
you could survive any one hit but that's it
As a main of both, Bow just lets you not even play the game normally since every single drawback is negated with berserk/strife
Dual blades are definitely number 2 t
Can concur as well I remember when primordial released he was using me like a pinball and yet could never kill me same with hazard it was a war of attrition at that rate and he didn't win. same for every monster since TU3 tbh
@modageddon2742 Using you like a pinball, lol. Certainly feels that way when you're first learning a monster's moveset.
I miss Valor man... LS and HBG as broken as they were, so damn fun with that style.
No one will disagree being a Sekiro or Master Chief is massive fun in Generation.
What about Valor DB :')
@emishimaru-sama6449 I don't remember much with Valor DB, so I can't say much.
But what I do remember, Valor as a style generally fun for every weapon types. Pretty sure DB high in the list too.
>doesn't like the 3DS
>lavishes praise on MHW
>doesn't like Rise so someone else wrote that segment
We could not be more different as MH fans lmao
I tend to agree with him. I skipped out on pretty much all of gen 4 until Gen Ultimate came to switch because I can't stand playing MH without a second stick for camera control. I also wasn't a big fan of Rise, but to be fair I wasn't a huge fan of World either. I feel like the 5th gen brought too much streamlining and casualization to monster hunting simulation, and Rise only doubled down on that.
tbh I don't like playing on my 3DS anymore.
Most sane mh player tbh
honestly I wish the 3ds was more ergonomic so playing long sessions didn't hurt like hell. The 3ds games were peak though, and world sucked ass 🤝
Nothing worse than a World fanboy reggiN lol
but, but, reddit told me that Longsword is the most OP in every game?
its worse in RUclips comments
Especially in MH1 :)
Just because it doesn't kill the fastest doesn't mean it isn't overtuned beyond believe.
since Gen 5 you have speed, range, free I-Frames and counters. On top of that LS needs NO supportive skills whatsoever, you can get extremely greedy and just jam all the attack and affinity skills into your armor.
It is the baby mode weapon
@ you proved most of RUclips commenters never played the game only watch speed kills
Longsword is the best weapon between the 14 weapons in general, instead in this video they show the broken weapon for each game in particular
2:27 dude thats just "we have horizon zero dawn at home"
The robot creatures look interesting tho.
its a combination of horizon and monster hunter. looking amazing but the fact that its just copying 2 games is lazy. 100% going to play it tho. its like a full upgrade of horizon.
@@jdogzerosilverblade299 just about every game is copying another in some way or form. Nioh copied Souls games with it's rogue like mechanics, Digimon copied Pokemon with it's capture monsters to have them fight, Trove/Terraria copied Minecraft with it's survival and mine square blocks, etc. There is no true "originality" in this world anymore it's just copied mechanics with your own spin on it.
@@xeath9992 insperation isnt copying. nioh made a souls like game but added its own combat mechanic stealth mechanics and battle methods. like after attacking you can do a move that instantly restores a bunch of stamina. or that headshots with a ranged weapon isnta kill normal enemies to help with stealth. digimon pretty much only took inspiration from the evolution part of pokemon but that's it really. terraria did not copy Minecraft so don't try with that. i played both a lot and literally the only thing they "copied" was gathering wood to make a workbench. literally everything else is different from bosses to combat to traps to game progression to building and more. haven't played much of trove. i tried it and it seemed closer to roblox than Minecraft. now this game literally straight up copied horizons monster designs. its so close it might as well be sueable. now I said monster hunter due to the weapons in the game being very similar. sword and shield hammer bow were shown. riding a mount is horizon themed as well. for the monsters that's not inspiration that's borderline theft. for weapons its meh. at least they made the hammer look original. the crafting in the game might or might not be copied who knows.
@@xeath9992 you just described the process of creativity, basically mix stuff you like in a way you create something new
trust me, it's hammer
You spelt great sword wrong friend 😂 nah jks
🔨🤝🔪
Based and bonk-pilled
A slight correction. In GU the attack difference between daora and zin HBG was minimal. Daora in practice only got around 1 extra damage a pierce shot, while zin got slightly better slicing ammo damage (which you use to charge valor), that more or less made up for the slight damage loss. Because of this, zin was almost always taken over daora, unless you already have 1-2 zin guns on a team. This ironically makes it even more OP, cause imagine all the crazy things valor pierce can give, and now it just can get a free para too with the siege para 2 shots.
22:22 Spoiler warning if you're trying to stay away from MH Wilds content, unfortunately I did a good while avoiding spoilers until this video...
THANK YOU, saw this about 2 seconds before I hit it
Glad to see that almost every monster hunter content creator favorite MH is 3 tri just like me, but I introduced MH to my friends with World and so I can't explain to them why we need aquatic combat back 😭 It's just the vibe, the freedom, the music... Hope to see a MH7 in Moga islands or some new archipelago... But I hope someday we will get a reboot or a PC launch of legacy games...
Bro, I've been rocking with TDS in the background for more than 10 years. Never got to play with you guys though. But glad you still share the same love for MH as I do!!! Keep it up.
World also had the Zinogre heavy bowgun. It was THE go-to for spread and was pretty comfy too. you could go balls to the wall with the barrel or more survivable with the shield. Made some hunts devolve into "walk up to target, hold trigger down, craft more ammo, repeat"
The combination of Lao Canon and Auto reload was called "La-auto" in Japan.
Btw, MHF was running over 10 years with many updates, so it's like having sevaral generations in one game. I think it interesting that every generation of MHF had different Best Weapon.
To me who is a gen 5 newcomer this is really interesting, in world everyone would say LS was undoubtedly the best weapon taking everything in account, but others like bow and hbg were absolute beasts in terms of dmg
That’s only said because the community is heavily biased against LS. To the point people lefit would make up lies about it.
LS ain't even top 3 in any hunt lmao in Iceborne. That weapon was so damn weak in terms of DPS. Gs, HBG, LBG, Bow, SnS were all way stronger.
Chargeblade always felt like the best melee weapon in World to me.
That being said 90% of my hunts were with GS so milleage may vary.
Lance in mh1 was god tier. Particularly, the fatalis lance. Though I remember everyone called it headlocking. You had to time the 3rd poke to get the headlock. Made farming rathalos plates a dream!
I absolutely adore Berserk Strife Dual blades, so powerful yet so comfy.
And if you get lucky with your charm and qurio crafting, you can combine them with skills like blood awakening and mail of hellfire for even more
power and survivability.
Getting a beserk charm is incredibly rare but it opens up so much build ability
7:50 Shoutout to ol' Linus 🙌
Finally! Been waiting for a video like this for years!!
Honorable 4u mention: furia sedition, the seregios hbg. It has really high raw, positive affinity and big clip sizes for pierce 1 and 2. The auto reloading of 1 bullet per evade made it so you could go a long time of dodging and shooting before actually having to reload. Arguably the better hbg for playing without a status gunner/siege hbg team composition
Wasn’t the chernobog’s scythe one of the most op weapons in 4U? The high sharpness, 45% affinity, on top of sleep element meant every other second the monster was either stunned or sleeping?
Honorable mentions for Lance:
-> Striker lance (the only blade master weapon able to keep up with valor LS in mhgu. Thank you rage guard)
-> mh4u evade lance. Instant access to 2-3 seconds of I-frames at any point of you combo. Damage wise not the best, but holy sh*t the stuff you could get away with.
The sponsor is literally a copy of horizon it even uses some of the same assets XD
I could held my nose and forgiven that but then they said "free to play". Gross.
@Tahkayun yeah you already know the amount of micro tractions and pay to win features it will have
They also use some of the Elden Ring's attack animations. LOL
Don’t forget destiny little floating companion thingy.
Yep and made by Tencent (or a company under Tencent) too. Im glad Team Darkside got paid but that game is not it
Gen 1; the only time Lance users were feasting like kings. but i say they're eating well in Wilds.
i say this because, since one of my sets is going to be called "Knight", my secondary weapon will be the Lance (primary being my main, the SnS) - and i've used it a few times in Iceborne and Sunbreak, and it was a fun time.
MHGen & MHGU Striker Lance were up there as well, comparable to Valor LS.
You missed SnS in Freedom 1. Its the most OP weapon in that game.
could it be considered OP in GU? because Chaos Oil 3 was a thing, and Striker Style allowed you to equip 3 Hunter Arts at once.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 i feel like sns in GU is def op but that game has stuff that's like even more stupidly op so ig it's all kinda relative haha. def an op version of sns but not on the level of the truly overtuned shit in that game imo
Why is it that op? Maybe I'm using it wrong, but I've had a better experience with the Greatsword even though it's not nearly as good as it is in newer generations.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 Yes and no, it has high potential but compared to other options like Valor LS, Valor GS, and especially Valor HBG, it's kind of meh-- especially on monsters like Fatalis or Nakarkos who are unaffected by most of the boons of Chaos Oil. The usual 5-attack combo most speedrunners use deals about 80 mv on top of 5 elem hits, which pales in comparison to a lv 3 Valor Draw at 115 mv.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 No because its competing with HBG in that game. In Freedom 1 SnS motion values were that broken that one combo was better than 2 and a half from GS.
Amazing video! you guys ignited my love for the series and made me hunt for each iteration of MH available even emulated :D
BDS in MH1 was one of if not the most used weapon in 5-6 star hunts.
Lance was not the least used weapon IMO. That goes to the bowguns. I only saw those on Fatalis and Lao missions consistently
I used lance for most headlockable content in mh1. When the online hub had "claw day" we would bust out the heavy bowgun and do fatalis runs!
The other thing with the un-nerfed slicing builds in world was that even though it was super OP, it was extremely unfun to play with someone else who was using it. The slicing had a massive hitbox and caused knockback equivalent to a barrel bomb on allies so it was basically impossible to play a melee weapon if someone on your team was using slicing builds.
In the first MH, before G, fatalis lances (Black Dragon Spear) were actually a common meta. Essentially, most of us were just farming plates (Ian + Los) and that was relatively effective with headlock. The whole thing was then called tp (troublesome pair) pl8 run in the jargon of the time. (One single BDS could basically lock the monster completely with right timing) Only for Fatalis were guns with Clust lvl 2 standard. Otherwise there were a few people with GS (Eternal Slayer) or other lances (Greybug Javelin), but mainly BDS. But it's true, lances weren't that popular before the endgame. But as soon as the headlock worked, basically everyone was running around with it and for other weapons (with the exception of GS for the Tail Cut) you were more likely to be grumbled at or not taken on the quest. At least that's how it was on the EU servers around 2005 / 06.
I love this type of videos. It's so nostalgic
Honorable mention should be:
-MonHun Portable/Freedom with Sword and Shield
Got it's damage increased by 50% cuz back in og Japanese MH1, MHG and the international MH1 release, SnS was very underpowered.
Only ever carried by element alone.
So, together with nerfing Lance, they buffed SnS by an outrageous amount.
So much that 2 quick slashes of the strongest SnS were stronger than the unsheath attack of the strongest GS in the game.
Yes, the range is still an issue, but, if you know your way around it, SnS is the most powerful weapon in MHF.
1:54 that rathian....that poor rathian....
He is suffering a lot 😢
@@Lapislazuli02rathians are female tho
We can't forget to give an honorable mention to the king of over power weapons, the Magnet Spike
25:41 "Gotcha Beach!" 😂😂
I can't find Kajeto-kun's original gotcha beach video. Man those were the days.
I remember playing a demo of one the older MH games and I didn’t even realize and the weapon I had looked insanely op
surprise for many generations gunner Being absolute monster annihilators but not a single community MH community nowadays talk about it
until capcom touched LS then we got MH Drama about LS again.
Exactly. And for it to be even slightly close to the power of other weapons like bow, you have to always stay inside the goddamn circle and keep it up at the expense of your wirebugs, when you also need them for your counter switch skills. And if the monster decides to stay outside of the circle or not attack you because it's doing literally anything else, you'll have to stay there doing nothing while Harvest Moon runs out.
And in the Berserk/Strife roasting section, he describes chugging max potions like it if it was freaking herbs he was talking about. Yes TDS, being immortal is fair because you still take knock back and have to constantly stop attacking to sheathe your weapon, switch scrolls, heal, switch scrolls back again, and then chase the monster because you've probably got very far away from it to be allowed to heal in peace.
The community blatantly is biased against LS and confidently turns a blind eye to gunners literally always being better
The bowguns required a modicum of interest in range weapon, which a lot of people don't have. LS on the other hand, attracts the most players, so naturally it's gonna get the most hate.
There's a reason why LS is the most popular weapon in almost every gen it's been in, yet not being the best weapon in many of them.
The hate usually come for other mele weapon player, because Capcom didn't giving enough love for their weapon of choice 😅
@@sammidul4080 okay but what they did to Gunlance for the longest time is a war crime, seems to be very fun in Wilds though! and shelling scales off raw now!
Man, Akantorex clips, what a damn throwback to MHFU
Rise's base game also had Bow as a solid contender for most broken weapon. See, Rise used Motion Values close to World's for the shot types, so Rapid 3 (akin to a Normal lv 3 shot) does around 30 MV, Spread 5 (akin to Power 3/4) does around 40, etc. BUT, they brought back the old shot type system, and with it they also brought in the Raw modifiers straight from old games. So lv 3 shots got a 1.5x buff to raw and lv 4 shots got a whopping 1.7x buff. This made the Demon's Guidance one of the most broken weapons in the game.
When Sunbreak came out Bow was knocked down a peg with its raw modifiers being cut in half, but the amount of nutty skills it got at endgame (the infamous Berserk + Strife combo in particular) kept it just as powerful even with heavy nerfs to what it was at its advent.
This is why you are THE best monster hunter youtuber, lots of love and respect to you my friend
I'm glad that the GODDAMN Grongigas made it's way into the honourable mentions at least
Paralysis SnS was the MVP for me in MH1. It trivialized so many fights for me, because you could just paralyze monsters over and over again.
Me but with the Girros SnS in MHWI. lol
I remember these days in Tri. Everyone without the full set got kicked out. I think our fastest run was 1:42 or 2:42 on Alatreon.
Oh man, i did all of those except for the rise combo. My favorite time was with the Akantor bow, killed everthing in the game and i remember doing the slicing ammo in the world before the patch too hahaha, good times.
My favorite slice gun was the val hazak light bow gun. Maybe less dmg than a hbg but it still dropped monsters incredibly fast.
So the sponsor is basically just horizon zero dawn right?
Bro, they didn't even try to hide it with that red stealth grass.
Horizon zero ark
Even the robots designs often don’t hide how close they are to horizons…
And the armour glowing blue upon taking damage as well
6:18 NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION DAKADAKADAKADAKA
Heavy Bowgun? They're indeed uniting in freedom.
havent watched but I swear if in any list you put LS over HBG, then I know it's not serious
edit: okay its serious
Shining Wyvern Blade (SnS) was overpowered as well, because it was the strongest raw damage weapon, but you could get it in low rank... (MHF1)
You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. However, most people weren't getting SWB in LR due to needing to clear a quest that had a High Rank(G class in MHF1 terms) Silver Los and Gold Ian in the arena.
Striker Lance in base MHGen is also totally busted. You can do another Charge after Charge Finisher having a crazy 70 MV and combine it with the crazy hunter arts you can combine. (Absolute Readiness, Enraged Guard and Corkscrew Jab).
You forgot in iceborne almost max dmg safi hammer with dragon us overpowered on anything but fatalis and alatreon and fatalis light bowgun with all 3 stickys, pierce 3 or 2 can take down furious rajang within 4 seconds allowing you to get 400 - 1000+ dmg solo alone
6:08 saying changing the clip size from 3 to 60 is not completly correct since you can combine ammo to have more than 60 shots and still not need to reload making it's clipsize bigger.
And in case you forgot, CAPCOM tends to make new features overpowered.
Hehe!
Anyone not playing Lance in the first game didn't know what they were missing. You could headlock like crazy with that thing if you knew what you were doing, making many monsters trivial to fight.
Evade Alatreon Lance is the best weapon in Tri. Clust spam is only good vs Alatreon and only in 4 player multiplayer.
Elemental Lance is the best weapon in 3U. The Kelbi bow is a meme weapon, Brachy bow is a better spread slime bow but slime is not even viable late game.
Rapid Fire Pierce LBG is the best weapon in Sunbreak. It's got Frontier tier damage fit for the closest to Frontier monster power levels we've gotten in mainline games.
You don't want elemental pierce to be rapid because you actually deal less damage if its rapid, you want normal element to be rapid.
I started to play in MHR, I am enjoying a lot, the mobility, the weapons, the armors. I was expecting to be Charge Blade, but Dual Blades also makes sense, the dps is crazy.
Seems disappointing to say the "best weapon" in MHW is just a specific ammo type that was nerfed very early in the game.
no iceborne mention..
@@saltyluigi4011 hey guys lets finish the video before commenting!
2:47 cross over of the two goats. monster hunter and horizon
I would love to see a video about the most OP builds in Sunbreak for each Weapon. I forgot how broken those endgame skills were in Sunbreak.
I’m going through Sunbreak for the 3rd time with a new group of friends and I forgot how to play my weapon efficiently with all the armor skills I had on. Something about having to hit the monster a certain amount of time to build some kind of meter. Lol
I’m a Gunlance main and these are the skills I have:
Defiance lv4
CritBoost lv3
WeakExplo lv3
Artillery lv3
StunResist lv3
WirebugWhis lv3
Hellfire Cloak lv3
Sneak Attack lv3
Wind Mantle lv3
Powder Mantle lv2
Heaven sent lv2
Crit eye lv2
Load Shells lv2
Evade Extender lv2
Redirection lv2
Intrepid Heart lv2
Bloodlust lv1
Frenzied Bloodlust lv1
Shock Absorber lv1
My Gunlance gameplay was to spam Bullet Barrage as much as possible. So Skills like intrepid heart gave me one free hit of invincibility every time time I land a certain number of hits. I think it was one Wyrmstake and Bullet Barrage or two Wyrmstakes and a FullBurst.
I miss that damned Bambi Bow. Nothing survives Bambi!!!
I hate how almost every other RUclips never gives a straight answer for which weapon had the highest capabilities. Thankyou for not saying "well, every weapon is viable".
Because its fucking obvious. HBG has all the fastest glitchless hunts
The difference isn't that insane tho that's why everyone says every weapon is viable. Its simply the truth.
For casuals, every weapon is pretty balanced since skill has a much much higher impact on dps anyway.
Monster Hunter is one of the balanced games out there. It's far from perfect but imo pretty good compared to other games that have a very streamlined meta.
In monster hunter you can run all kinds of builds without being left behind players that only play meta if you know what your doing.
it's very different for speedrunning tho.
Speedruns mostly have a defined meta for every monster, weapon and game.
you probably can't change that anyway.
Started at Freedom Unite and man I don't even know what I'm doing, my brother just let me play to get me occuppied. Used lunastra dual blades and fatalis armor just because it looks edgy and cool af. Good old Days 😂😂
Can I ask what the source of the weapon usage stats at 0:34 for MH1jp is? I didn't even know this type of data was ever available anywhere, because it seems farfetched to me that the same Lance that had the Black Dragon Spear and could headlock monsters to death was somehow the least used type in that game.
Agreed. The Lance was an absolute necessity in fighting Lao Shan Lung.
And headlocking ofc destroyed everything
I'm hoping gen 6 is the age of the gunlance because it went so hard in the beta.
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Great video! Thanks for your hard work!
Insect glave will make a comeback trust
23:28 GOD. DAMN. GRONGIGAS.
Also really wondering why they put that raised platform in the Alatreon arena lmao. Sure he can get his horns stuck into it, but mounting and monsters being able to attacks upwards weren't a thing yet so they just... felt like putting it there I guess? Considering both this and the shitty hitboxes of the rock spires in his Iceborne arena, Alatreon does seem to have a complicated relationship with walls (in multiple senses of the word aswell lmao, due to him being so difficult).
7:55
My boy linus giving the middle finger to Valve
I used slicing with the nergigante light bow gun even after the nerf.
In 4u the insect glaive was overpowered due to how mounts were so spammable and id also like to mention the seregios lbg with slicing ammo because of how easily spammable it was and the ingredients were sold in the shop so you could take max ammo capacity with zero preparation. It was nerfed in mhgu because they made slicing an internal ammo and NOT craftable
aw no honorable mention for Narajala longsword holding the entire game hostage in base MH4
Team Darkside, it has been almost 10 years since I first started watching your videos (MH4U content). Guild Quest Weapons were the reason why I played the game so much, and my favorite was the Sea Emperor's Sword.
Berserk, strife, Mail of Hellfire, with a touch of maximum might is the most broken combination ever existed in MH history, this combo can let you solo the whole rooster of the game
The best Weapon in the whole series is: the Weapon which make you the most fun to play!
Dude I love this video. I hope CB gonna be super in MH Wilds
I hope the SAED will be much more viable than it was in the beta.
Im more of a kaboom guy than the pizza cutter kind
Could have at least mentioned Teostra bow from generations even if you hate the 3DS lol
the Hellblade lance is the best weapon in that game
1:29 actually it's 20% more damage than blue, still a lot.
He obviously meant 25 percentge points but... yeah, you gotta be careful around percentages
I'm on the video. 😱 Great content, as always!
23:42 oh yeah i had one of those. I hunted with randos tho so they would usually not pay attention to the sleep proc and i ended up wishing i got a para gs instead. Never did tho...
really cool video idea, well done as always.
kelbi slingshot is such a great memory that i don't even think are possible to recreate in the modern era of MonHunt 😂
Surprised the crimson fatalis insect glaive from 4U wasn't mentioned. It wasn't as powerful as a relic weapon but man if EVERY single person in G rank online lobbies wasn't using that thing.
The gun! It was the gun all along, from beginning till the end, good job bruv~
You know what you should make? For past fans make ealry armour builds and weapons for each gen game and then endgame builds.
Greatsword, my beloved.
You were at my side, all along.
I totally remember Clust Alatreon rooms in Tri, ah the good old days.
Can't believe you've omitted the autoguard gunlances in MHP3:
Autoguard activates even when shelling and reloading, hence when facing incomming attacks, just shell away in a brain dead manner. That's essentially the guard equivalence of the dodging capacity of Valor Style in MHGU, combined with the explosive qualities of slime.