AT&T's patent would not have protected themselves from IBM, thats not how patents work. They would still have needed a license from IBM as they are a derivative design.
Perhaps AT&T bought some tooling from one of the factories that IBM had contracted to make Model Ms. I doubt IBM owned the physical tooling for their boards, and when one of these factories either closed down or re-tooled they could have sold it to AT&T. The patent may have just been legal coverage since IBM still owned the design.
I was thinking: what if this is a product of corporate espionage? Like somebody sold Model M info to AT&T and AT&T slightly modified it in various ways to try and avoid a lawsuit?
For people who are outside of North America, AT&T is American Telephone and Telegraph. They used to own Bell, Bell Canada, Bell Labs, Western Electric, and Long Lines. Bell Canada owned Bell Nortern labs and Nortel (Used to be called Northern Telcom and Northen Electric).
@Hugh Jazz The only part of their business they get mostly right at this point is their prepaid Cricket Wireless service with 4 lines for $25 a line, and unlimited talk, txt, data. Although in many parts of the southern US, their "coverage" maps are a total lie, as I've gone through parts of S. Carolina going to the beach, where the maps show 4G LTE, and the actual cell coverage was so poor, that I could not even make a 911 call if I was in an emergency.
Don't take this explanation as gospel. I find it very unlikely. Also grounding doesn't work that way. ABS plastic is not conductive, and attaching a grounding conductor at its bottom side does nothing. This is probably some obscure UK law they're trying to adhere to, given that I've never seen a grounding connector attached to a spacebar in my life.
Translation, for the aid of the non-British around there: 'works like a tit' == 'tears the top off your milk bottles and drinks all the cream before you have a chance to pick them up off the doorstep'. HTH, HAND.
Nice review, have you ever considered reviewing a few shitty rubber domes like the k120 or even cheaper and worse domes? I think it'd be hilarious to see what you think of them.
Man, would I love to get my hands on a keyboard with those "Space invader" switches one day! It's like a dream, but they seem so incredibly rare nowadays! AT&T is a mystery on it's own..
I wonder one could perform forensic analysis of the cause of failure. In this case you propose fluid damage. It would be interesting to find out that someone spilled a drink on it years ago which lead to its untimely death.
It could be that AT&T made all these minor, superficial changes to the parts so that AT&T could claim that they were not cloning IBM Model M keyboards, if AT&T was ever taken to court.
Samuel Schwager I think this is what is called a derivative patent. If AT&T was already licensing the buckling spring then improved it they can patent that improvement. This doesn't get them out of a royalty but it does make the improvement theirs.
What do you except it is membrane. Avoid membrame design as much as possible. Model m is exception which is good membrane keyboard, but in general you should't very trust membrane keyboards. It is a thin plastic which carrys signal ... meh
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AT&T's patent would not have protected themselves from IBM, thats not how patents work. They would still have needed a license from IBM as they are a derivative design.
"And it also includes a rub out, or what we would call 'wank' today"
-Chyrosran22, 2019
I nearly lost an eye laughing when he said that. 😂
Where can I get a "Wank" keycap for my Model M?
@@tankermottind YES, id like one for my backspace key. now what to call delete?
Perhaps AT&T bought some tooling from one of the factories that IBM had contracted to make Model Ms. I doubt IBM owned the physical tooling for their boards, and when one of these factories either closed down or re-tooled they could have sold it to AT&T. The patent may have just been legal coverage since IBM still owned the design.
IBM didn't just own the tooling, they owned the factories xD .
AT&T: Hey IBM can we copy your homework?
IBM: Yeah, sure! Just change it a little bit so the teacher doesn't notice.
AT&T: No worries, will do!
I was thinking: what if this is a product of corporate espionage? Like somebody sold Model M info to AT&T and AT&T slightly modified it in various ways to try and avoid a lawsuit?
or they can just buy the keyboard off the shelf and open it up?
@@shogrran I mean yeah but that's the boring solution.
That other AT&T keyboard with the interesting switches can be found here: ruclips.net/video/hQisoCMnX_U/видео.html
1:06 such a nice TKL back in old days.
Also one of the most expensive ones in existence xD .
For people who are outside of North America, AT&T is American Telephone and Telegraph. They used to own Bell, Bell Canada, Bell Labs, Western Electric, and Long Lines. Bell Canada owned Bell Nortern labs and Nortel (Used to be called Northern Telcom and Northen Electric).
Back when AT&T actually did something well
basically the entire Bell Labs were
you do have a point, that is something they do well.
@Hugh Jazz at&t customer here, can confirm they do still have crap customer service.
@Hugh Jazz The only part of their business they get mostly right at this point is their prepaid Cricket Wireless service with 4 lines for $25 a line, and unlimited talk, txt, data. Although in many parts of the southern US, their "coverage" maps are a total lie, as I've gone through parts of S. Carolina going to the beach, where the maps show 4G LTE, and the actual cell coverage was so poor, that I could not even make a 911 call if I was in an emergency.
Sigh, as usual, now I want one.
Just get a m122. Cheap as hell and basically the same keyboard
Gimme two
Anyone knows how much key rollover does it has?
@@Mboy556 well it will do alt east one for a treat.
@@Mboy556 2 Key rollover. It uses a membrane. But It's a Very good board even thought.
woaah so thats why some old keebs have those massive grounds. didnt realize it was cuz of the monitors
Don't take this explanation as gospel. I find it very unlikely. Also grounding doesn't work that way. ABS plastic is not conductive, and attaching a grounding conductor at its bottom side does nothing. This is probably some obscure UK law they're trying to adhere to, given that I've never seen a grounding connector attached to a spacebar in my life.
Think I might have to keep an eye out for one of these. Those mods would look lovely on my Model F.
Translation, for the aid of the non-British around there: 'works like a tit' == 'tears the top off your milk bottles and drinks all the cream before you have a chance to pick them up off the doorstep'. HTH, HAND.
"This thing is fucking dead."
No, no, no! It's resting!
Oh sweet a dialup keyboard.
Heh, you aren't far off. It's a terminal keyboard :)
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... CHKERRRRRRRRRRRRRR....unUnUNUNNGGGG
BONG BONG BONG
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Maybe consider reviewing gateron red/black inks? They aren't found on production boards, you'd have to assemble one and use them as switches.
the battleship looks GLORIOUS! screw 60%, I'm 170%! B)
Nice review, have you ever considered reviewing a few shitty rubber domes like the k120 or even cheaper and worse domes? I think it'd be hilarious to see what you think of them.
Yeah, I'll do some sometime xD .
@@Chyrosran22 I would love to see your thoughts on the IBM space saver II keyboard it is a rubberdome trackpoint keyboard from the 90s.
Super close to 50k
so, it came with built-in floss mod lmao
Yes, essentially! xD
Man, would I love to get my hands on a keyboard with those "Space invader" switches one day! It's like a dream, but they seem so incredibly rare nowadays!
AT&T is a mystery on it's own..
Nah man, space invaders should be pretty easy to get hold of xD .
There are many for sale on r/mechmarket
I got a keyboard with them myseld and I love it. It seems like recently someone found a ton of new old stock ones in Europe.
So where can I get the sponge inserts?
im thinking maybe the terminals they connected to had some sort of firmware to automatically reject ghosted keys, and the converter box lacks that
Meh, it's too inconsistent for that; besides, it wouldn't explain the other stuff. But it might handle keypresses differently, that's true.
Well AT&T during that time frame used their own version of Unix, so no doubts there.
Fantastic legends on those caps, someone should make a reproduction.
Chirp...BONG!
THANK you for using A T and T.
Probably an offshoot from their electronic typewriters from the Selectrix era? I dunno man.. Great find!
From 1990? xD That seems a bit late for a Selectric-type anything, isn't it? xD
Regarding the foam alot of foam from that era have disintegrated, for example in old furniture and speaker surrounds.
"spacebar sounds like a 12 gauge"
sure ok
*listens*
Holy crap, it actually does sound like my 1911SL cycling, just minus the gunshot. Nice!
I wonder one could perform forensic analysis of the cause of failure. In this case you propose fluid damage. It would be interesting to find out that someone spilled a drink on it years ago which lead to its untimely death.
Anyone knows how much key rollover does it has?
Might be worth replacing any discrete components on the control board that look fecked, just in case
Please, try actually inserting foam there, as patent suggests.
That's pretty much what you get with a "floss mod" - it removes spring reverberation, a.k.a. "ping".
I hope the keys actuate before bottoming out
I didn't care about anything else in the video after you showed that Model M SSK Industrial. Too bad I'll never own one of those.
It could be that AT&T made all these minor, superficial changes to the parts so that AT&T could claim that they were not cloning IBM Model M keyboards, if AT&T was ever taken to court.
There are M’s with cable channels. 1394100
It’s an outemu clone
nice
It's kinda silly that they could get a patent for that, shows how broken the system is.
Samuel Schwager I think this is what is called a derivative patent. If AT&T was already licensing the buckling spring then improved it they can patent that improvement. This doesn't get them out of a royalty but it does make the improvement theirs.
56k is also how many subscribers you have, mate ;)
Hold on. AT&T? The telecom company?
Yes. They also made computer systems and are responsible for Unix.
6:46 insert xzibit joke here
Noice
You never use your left thumb.
sup
Nah'much. U?
FCC ID for the design is to Nokia of all companies
That thing makes so much more unnecessary noise than an IBM model m, that patent was bullshit 😂
My battleship weighs 3,050..?
What do you except it is membrane. Avoid membrame design as much as possible. Model m is exception which is good membrane keyboard, but in general you should't very trust membrane keyboards. It is a thin plastic which carrys signal ... meh