Hi Finny, What you are doing is quite amazing and very needed in this broken society. I agree with all you have said and will spread the word of your College. As you mentioned Wonder Woman, I too was hesitant on seeing that movie. I did eventually see it and it was actually educational. No, she was not a mother, although she saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives in this film. Based on World War I. You might want to watch it just to see what I mean. I'm certainly not into action superhero movies at all, but when I was told by many people the story in this movie, I was curious to see if they were telling the truth. I was impressed by the film and thought it well done.
Barbara Royer I'm sorry sister. I'm struggling with this as well. Bareness has caused much suffering in my life and this was a very hard teaching to hear. Praise God for the sisters that have been blessed and have children but for me I feel so bad about not been given the chance to be a mother. There is a place for us, hope in Jesus and the blessed assurance of salvation does not only lay in the bearing of children alone although that's what I gather from this video. It simply is not true. I didn't think brother Finny meant it to read that way. I hope not anyway.
Barbara Royer ... I hear your question, and want to offer you this encouragement. Please continue to seek after Christ and the scriptures. I believe that (and Brother Finny referred to the fact that) “Childbearing” can also mean “child rearing “ or raising children. You can be a mother to many in a multitude of ways of serving the Lord. Perhaps welcoming children to your family through fostering or adoption? Reaching out to your congregational family. Please, though the way may seem dark, know that there is a way. Remembering you in my prayers.
Can this gentleman read my comment? The passage about "being saved through childbirth" was in relation to gnostics saying do not have kids because you're trapping souls in Flesh and physical bodies and gnostics saw flesh as evil (all physical things) and they believed in the pre existence of the soul. Paul was talking against gnosticism because in chapter 6 he mentions what is "falsely called knowledge (gnosis)"
Curiosity then asks what of the woman who divorces and remarried to have children in the (edit typo) second marriage, but had none in the first? Is she saved in the first marriage, even though God doesn’t bless her with children? Or is she saved by having children in her second marriage even though her first husband is alive? Does the first husband end his own life per Ephesians 5:25, so she can be saved in her second marriage and raise her children in the second marriage? These aren’t really reconcilable my brother.
24:05 I legitimately dont want to have sex with men. I dont mean because of other affections, I dont particularly enjoy being around them actually go into shock and want to throw up at the idea and feel like God asking me to get married as a part of His will essentially feels like God asking me to get r*ped.
25:05 Like I get people are trying to encourage women who are married that what they're doing is a godly honorable calling but to women who don't want to do that for whatever reason it sounds horrible and demeaning. Like nothing I could ever do could be godly.
Is your congregation friendly toward single people? Because this sure doesn’t sound like it. God has a place for us non-moms in his kingdom, too. See Isaiah 54. Paul also recommended singleness (1 Corinthians 7). As a single woman, hearing this is threatening and unwelcoming.
Yes, the congregation is absolutely welcoming to singles, both men and women. I include this comment as a single that attends FotW. Each one has a gift from God to be used for His glory, this includes women w/o children. The intention of this message is to address the subject of motherhood, it is not intended to demean or discourage singleness. I'm sure in due time there will be a message posted about this particular gift.
Followers of the Way, I hope so. I grew up hearing this kind of teaching and suffered a lot of shame wondering where I had gone wrong. Churches need to talk more about Jesus’ affirmation of eunuchs for the kingdom.
Nancy Wenger, that is quite astonishing, considering everything he said doesn’t seem to give any recognition or legitimacy to your lifestyle. Did we listen to the same recording?
I assume this is just one sermon amoung later sermons that will affirm single state. In the larger context, I affirm the role of large families in restoring civilization. Jeremiah 29. " When you are in exile, increase, do not decrease. ". 1-2 children per family barely replaces us
I'm glad to see that children are part of the teaching time!
Finny makes me proud to be a indian Christian...he is from Malayalam heritage same as me.
Great sermon!! A timely message needed in our society today!
Hi Finny, What you are doing is quite amazing and very needed in this broken society. I agree with all you have said and will spread the word of your College. As you mentioned Wonder Woman, I too was hesitant on seeing that movie. I did eventually see it and it was actually educational. No, she was not a mother, although she saved hundreds maybe thousands of lives in this film. Based on World War I. You might want to watch it just to see what I mean. I'm certainly not into action superhero movies at all, but when I was told by many people the story in this movie, I was curious to see if they were telling the truth. I was impressed by the film and thought it well done.
What am I supposed to do? I believe the scriptures but I was unable to have children. I am dead as Rachael remarked. It is not an easy path.
Barbara Royer I'm sorry sister. I'm struggling with this as well. Bareness has caused much suffering in my life and this was a very hard teaching to hear. Praise God for the sisters that have been blessed and have children but for me I feel so bad about not been given the chance to be a mother. There is a place for us, hope in Jesus and the blessed assurance of salvation does not only lay in the bearing of children alone although that's what I gather from this video. It simply is not true. I didn't think brother Finny meant it to read that way. I hope not anyway.
Barbara Royer ... I hear your question, and want to offer you this encouragement. Please continue to seek after Christ and the scriptures. I believe that (and Brother Finny referred to the fact that) “Childbearing” can also mean “child rearing “ or raising children. You can be a mother to many in a multitude of ways of serving the Lord. Perhaps welcoming children to your family through fostering or adoption? Reaching out to your congregational family. Please, though the way may seem dark, know that there is a way. Remembering you in my prayers.
Can this gentleman read my comment? The passage about "being saved through childbirth" was in relation to gnostics saying do not have kids because you're trapping souls in Flesh and physical bodies and gnostics saw flesh as evil (all physical things) and they believed in the pre existence of the soul.
Paul was talking against gnosticism because in chapter 6 he mentions what is "falsely called knowledge (gnosis)"
And I think he was saying childbirth won't negatively affect salvation, its about faith and obedience instead
Curiosity then asks what of the woman who divorces and remarried to have children in the (edit typo) second marriage, but had none in the first? Is she saved in the first marriage, even though God doesn’t bless her with children? Or is she saved by having children in her second marriage even though her first husband is alive? Does the first husband end his own life per Ephesians 5:25, so she can be saved in her second marriage and raise her children in the second marriage? These aren’t really reconcilable my brother.
24:05 I legitimately dont want to have sex with men. I dont mean because of other affections, I dont particularly enjoy being around them actually go into shock and want to throw up at the idea and feel like God asking me to get married as a part of His will essentially feels like God asking me to get r*ped.
25:05 Like I get people are trying to encourage women who are married that what they're doing is a godly honorable calling but to women who don't want to do that for whatever reason it sounds horrible and demeaning. Like nothing I could ever do could be godly.
Is your congregation friendly toward single people? Because this sure doesn’t sound like it. God has a place for us non-moms in his kingdom, too. See Isaiah 54. Paul also recommended singleness (1 Corinthians 7). As a single woman, hearing this is threatening and unwelcoming.
Yes, the congregation is absolutely welcoming to singles, both men and women. I include this comment as a single that attends FotW. Each one has a gift from God to be used for His glory, this includes women w/o children. The intention of this message is to address the subject of motherhood, it is not intended to demean or discourage singleness. I'm sure in due time there will be a message posted about this particular gift.
Followers of the Way, I hope so. I grew up hearing this kind of teaching and suffered a lot of shame wondering where I had gone wrong. Churches need to talk more about Jesus’ affirmation of eunuchs for the kingdom.
I'm a childless single woman but still agree with Finny
Nancy Wenger, that is quite astonishing, considering everything he said doesn’t seem to give any recognition or legitimacy to your lifestyle. Did we listen to the same recording?
I assume this is just one sermon amoung later sermons that will affirm single state.
In the larger context, I affirm the role of large families in restoring civilization. Jeremiah 29. " When you are in exile, increase, do not decrease. ". 1-2 children per family barely replaces us