Yeah, she wears his coat to feel warmth and comfort to show their relationship growth and impact miles has on her. I’m not going to get into Gwen sensing miles from another universe showcasing their bond/connection. But people don’t realise that before she even went in miles room. When his dad came home. Gwen turned pink because she thought miles would be with him and was going to confess everything to miles like her true feelings for him and how badly she messed up.
I would say Miles has a more secure attachment style so it's not that he loves Gwen less but he doesn't fear losing Gwen or thinks he's not worthy of her. On the other hand, Gwen shows all signs of avoidant attachment and so she fears intimacy, vulnerability and being hurt once more if she allows herself to love again (this is why her "no no no no no" line in Mumbahttan is so important and shouldn't have been removed) she's so scared of losing Miles yet she loves him more than anything. He gives her hope. Can't wait to see those two reconcile in Beyond ❤️🌻
ITSV: miles has a little crush Gwen but from the bus scene Miles gives gwen affection and understanding that makes Gwen happy. From that scene and throughout the movie, u can see she develops feelings based on her interactions and the way she looks at him. I like ending which is Gwen staring at the photo which shows the impact miles has on her. ATSV: Miles draws her and Gwen plays the drums because they can’t stop thinking about each other, keeps the photo of them because it’s a natural treasure as it is meaningful to her. both understand each other emotionally, connect personally, almost kiss, both are jealous of each other and are always there for each other. Gwen turns pink around miles in four scenes which indicates her love for him. I think while watching these movies so many times. Gwen loves miles more because I like to think while her father is her purpose on why she wears the mask as a badge. Miles is the reason that she continues being spider women by keeping the photo because it gives her meaning to keep on going. Plus I think that while Gwen said it’s all possible she was thinking of the first time for everything line that miles gave her based on their relationship and breaking that canon event based on breaking her father’s. BTSV: Phil lord said that we are going to see how miles is going to see this betrayal as affirmative. With Chris miller saying that we will focus on mile’s emotional growth by exploring his deep relationships with Peter, his parents and ofc mostly Gwen. Can’t wait for the third movie.
@@malachinsimbi like miles is going to understand and agree when Gwen explains everything to him on why she had no choice . And what I mean by that is Gwen is going to confess that she was forbidden going to see him explain that she broke her father’s canon event which Miles proved that he was right, and most importantly she going to confess her true feelings to him. In summary, he is going to find agreement on why she joined the society. Plus miles just knows Miguel’s side of the story. He doesn’t know Gwen’s.
@@Carlton17277 Miles may listen to Gwen, maybe she will express everything to him and confess her feelings to him, and then what if such an unexpected person will be right? For example, Miles now has new friends, the Venom symbiote (perhaps if they add it) merged with our Miles and he became cruel and will arrange an unexpected attack on Gwen’s team, then Miles the Tramp says “it’s time for revenge,” as if Gwen was an obedient dog for Miguel, so Miles will become an obedient dog for his double.
@@user-xh2nm3xz8x I don’t think that will happen. Because there is no reason. I think they will include sinister 6 in earth 42, the spot and maybe some villain references in and there. I don’t think the writers are going to something unexpected because they don’t have to do that. When comes to miles and Gwen’s relationship the writers are going to keep it simple but yet have complex. Now Margo will be a character will make Gwen jealous because of miles being a little friendly to her and hobie is also going to make miles jealous but I think he is going to help miles and Gwen’s relationship because I think he is the only one that knows that Gwen has feelings for miles. And what I also mean is that miles in the beginning when he sees Gwen again he will act cold and angry at her because he feels betrayed. But throughout the movie they are going to reconcile and Gwen will be the one that I think will express her feelings to him first or maybe the writers will wait till the end with both confessing or have a kiss to confirm that they are couple. All I know is about miles and Gwen’s relationship they going to go emotionally deep with a satisfying conclusion. Which means they will get together.
@@Carlton17277 I doubt that Miles will ever agree with what Gwen did. After all, she was wrong. But he will come to understand why she did what she did and how, as mixed up as it was, she did it out of both love and fear. A love that could not stand to hurt him or destroy his hope and confidence in himself, and a fear for his well being and that of his universe. I think what Lord & Miller meant by "affirmative" is that Miles was going to take this terrible betrayal that happened to him and, instead of let it push him away from Gwen and Peter, will turn it towards good in some way. The end result will be a stronger bond b/w him and Gwen, since now they will be facing each other, for the first time knowing the real person about whom they care so much. Not the amazing young spider-man who needs to be protected, not the idealized and perfect young Spider-Woman who can do no wrong. Just two flawed, awkward teens doing the best they can, who can screw up just as much as anyone else, but who love each other anyway.
@@Mariofanaticanimations I know. But the writers, directors, producers, actors and creators show so much depth in their relationship and it is the love story between them. But ur right remains unseen however it seems more likely they will get together.
Spider people always lie to those they love. Literally every single time. It's part of their entire lore of having an alter ego. The notion she doesn't love miles because she lied is just silly. Gwen is down bad for sure, more than he is at this point. And she will go to war to prove it to him. I actually hope she does fall for him, while helping save his dad or something and miles does both. He saves his dad and gwen proving that Spiderman always does both AND gwen Stacy falling for Spiderman doesn't always end badly. There is a first time for everything
There might be a scene in the next movie where Miles's Dad and Gwen are both in danger at the same time and Miles will have to choose. And hopefully he chooses Gwen to save.
@FireheartFB man I can see it being a thing but Miles' entire thing is he can do BOTH. No way he's letting one of them die. I'm sure he'd sacrifice himself before he let any of his loved ones die
@justingipson8510 It is a Spiderman story, though. Not every relationship that Spiderman has ends well. And if Miles saves Gwen, it would still prove he can get away with stopping canon events without his and other universes being destroyed.
@@FireheartFBHe can save both. Because there will be two of him. Him and Miles 42. Part of the point of these movies is Miles rejecting the very notion that a Spider-Man story always ends with him losing someone he loves. Ah when you say, "in all the other Spider-Man movies, this tragic thing that makes him suffer happens" I think you can place a bet that this Spider-Man story intends to subvert that particular trope. Miles is going to go through hell, but he's going to keep Gwen and his family alive. This one time at least, Spider-Man will get his happy ending.
I guess miles is the only one that understands her emotionally, mentally and physically and connects with her personally. Hobie was there for Gwen when she missed miles and I guess she had no one but miles who was her only meaningful connection she had in her life. The reason why hobie stayed in the society was because he was looking out for his drummer (Gwen) and for miles he helped him escape by helping him discover his powers. Looking at this comment I agree with it but I also think hobie was a brother to both miles and Gwen and played an important role in their relationship. Plus I like how he calls Gwen gwendy and miles Peter Pan. In dictating he likes them together.
1. In ITSV, Gwen was in miles world a week before the others and also her spider senses told her to head to visions academy to meet miles because she is connected to him. Where Gwen volunteered to stop the collider and stay in his world, to spend more time with miles. But anyway, in that scene the others glitched but Gwen didn’t which shows that her atoms were able to adjust and there is no Gwen Stacy variant in miles world. 2. In ATSV, their colour pallets were able to merge in his world when they were on their swing date and also there happened to be an infinity symbol when Gwen was saying goodbye. Both of these scenes show again they are connected across the spiderverse. 3. In the comics of earth-8, Gwen is not originally from earth-8. Which means she met miles in a multiverse conflict. They are both part of a team and are married and have kids. In the two movies, Miles and Gwen are from separate universes but met at a multiverse conflict. They were both part of a team in the first and most likely be part of a team in the third. Now what about them getting married and having kids, that is not impossible because in the comics spider ham appears to be the uncle of their kids and who is miles and Gwen close to in the movies, spider ham. And there is a scene in ATSV where they both looked at each other when Peter b showed photos of mayday. And earth-8 is implied to be the future of earth-65. And there happened to be an eight in the background as well when Gwen was saying good bye. 4. Lastly, BTSV will focus on miles and Gwen relationship more emotionally deep. To add both emotional growth in both characters. And there will be a satisfying conclusion. How will their worlds merge I don’t know but maybe it will maybe because of the spot being too powerful and it’s because he has the power of multiverse at the palm of his hand which may include merging worlds together. But I don’t know all I knows is that it is indicating they will get together and I believe that the creators, writers, directors and producers are following the earth-8 storyline between the miles and Gwen. Now I know people are going to say but earth- 8 is alternate universe but what if there is no earth-8 until their world merge, I mean an 8 being in earth1610 may show that their world will merge. And look at the Gwen Stacy canon event it doesn’t end well in other universes, but miles first time for everything line and Gwen thinking of that line and telling his parents it’s all possible.
I know. Chris miller and Phil lord confirmed that we will be looking at miles and Gwen’s relationship more emotionally deep. And now it’s been confirmed by Shamiek Moore that we will be looking at miles and Gwen relationship further.
@@murifedontrun3363 in an interview with screen rant at the premiere of madame web. There is this website called comic book resources. And he said he promises more action and a further development in miles and Gwen relationship.
“What's important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man.” The Spider-Man from the Edge of Time would have sided with Miguel because his theories about canon events are inaccurate and letting someone to die is not only a red flag. But that is very irresponsible of using your powers. Having tragic moments doesn’t shaped you to becoming Spider-Man. The mask you wear is all about given people hope. And with great power, comes great responsibility. Miles understands this than Miguel.
Yes, you nailed it! She is definitely more in love then him. They will make a great great couple! Like Luke and Jessica and Green Lantern and Hawk Girl. P.S. As much as I like Gwen she has a lot of explaining to do!!!!!!! Peace!
"oh hi hobie ! oh hes nobody just a FRIEND, miles. yes alot like you just a friend. but this freind i "crash with" and keep the big secret like ur dad is gonna die and we gonna help put himin the ground. BUT ILOVE YOU MILES JUST NEVER ILL SAY IT. "
@@callmesenpaidesu1506 forgot to mention the part where if he saves his dad his universe is going to collapse and has a chance of causing chain reaction destroying the whole multiverse😑🤦.... . but yeah she totally lied to him for no🤷 reason
@@JaireGordon he isnt a regular spiderman . they said it themselves e cant be part of the club. plus he akreadylost his uncle figure . if its direct biological or if its by metorship he lostuncle aaron abd spiderman. . why does spiderqwen still have her dad bc she lost peter. miles should be safe.
@@callmesenpaidesu1506 but he still in the process of going through a Canon event and I know he's not normal but when your putting your universe and potentially and the multiverse in danger it's not worth the risk. Same situation has insomniac spider
I certainly enjoyed your video. You approached this from a different angle from my video essay on their relationship. I believe Miles and Gwen are both equally in ❤ with each other. Still, this is a very good analysis.
If the third film comes out next year, I bet Miles is still gonna blow a gasket at Gwen and Peter for keeping secrets from him and probably out of anger, rip up his battle damaged costume to show them how serious he's being and that Miguel was right about him not meant to be Spider-Man. But then before the last fight of the film, Miles will don a new suit (none spray painted) like Peter said he'd get him and fight the Spot and save his dad.
@@rossgowran8122 One more thing will always bother me until they make a sequel either this year or next, I’m afraid that Miles, because of Earth-42 or because of his double, may become Evil as he gathers new friends with him, and may also pick up the Venom symbiote, or I think that in the world in which Miles is stuck he will stay either a year or maybe two years because I think time passes differently in different universes.
Bro the point of the movie is that he is nothing like peter, he is his own person and makes his own decision, he is spiderman and the spray paint is his iconic signitature that was passed on from his uncle, he wouldn't change it
The fact that Miles changes everything he touches into a unique state. Including Gwen's hair. And that is literally the massage of these movies. Be yourself, be unique
Dont think miles loves gwen much anymore since she knew about miles's dad were gonna die and planned about him getting trapped in the spider hq Gwen's feelings probably hasnt change because she tried to find miles when miles was at the wrong universe. Miles and Gwen will prob argue about gwen knowing miles's dad is dying in beyond the spiderverse. But they might love eachother again and kiss at the end.
I think she has an idea where he is, but not 100%, because in my opinion if she actually knows exactly where he is, it will take away the drama of searching for him in different dimensions and all that.
There's still the issue that neither can remain in each other's universe because they'll glitch out & die unless they wear a watch or bracelet. Regardless Gwen & Miles are so cute together looking forward to what the 3rd movie will bring. Maybe in another movie we'll see both of them grown up & they get married.
Well in earth-8 Gwen was not originally from that world and it ended happily. And since miles is the original anomaly. It means that there is no other miles variant that is Spider-Man in another world. In summary, since Miles is the original anomaly which means there is no variant of himself that is Spider-Man in any other world. I think the writers are following the earth-8 storyline between miles and Gwen. And I’m hearing that there world will merge to form earth-8.
@@user-xh2nm3xz8xit’s possible, and there is a lot of information when ur comparing gwen and miles comics of earth-8 to this film that can back this up and there is a lot of similarities between the comics of earth-8 and the movie. I did do a comment about this and how it can happen. Look I did say this, if they want to do a time skip that will make sense and be fine because it is based on the comics and there is character in that comic that plays a uncle role in taking of their kids and in the movie miles and Gwen are close to that character. I want to conclude that, earth-8 is the future of earth-65. When you look at the Gwen Stacy canon event. It’s going to end well because they get together in earth-8. Like I said the spot will be the reason why there worlds will merge because of him having the power of the multiverse at the palm of his hand. So yeah, I do believe this can happen and I do think that this why the writers have been from the very start of the spiderverse saga building this relationship and getting them together at the end.
Yep that’s exactly how I saw it the first time in the theatre. You forgot mikes was jealous of who hooby was at first. Ya so many emotions in the movie. It took me three times to go through it. I saw all this off the bat it’s there faces that give it away. But ya at the end the way she looks at miles. That was the look of them being at the same place. The first time I saw it I was lol mad and on mikes side really feeling that betrayal. The second time I was kinda just focused on the other characters like the India guy and ya. Then I try to focus on Miguel. Actually I loved the spot also felt things for him actually. Ya no matter what though ya Gwen is kinda a stand alone person doing her own thing. I didn’t really care for Peter in this movie …. He keeps saying he’s a mentor…. Ya no I rewatched first movie he did not teach him anything lol
Keeping secrets by your love interest and letting your own father to die for the sake of canon events is the worst kind of betrayal a protagonist like Miles Morales would ever experience. Hope Gwen can learn her mistakes in the upcoming Byeond the Spiderverse but she first needs to earn his trust first. He would distance himself from her and Peter B after what has happened.
They should rerelease a remastered version of ATSV a week before the premier of BTSV to make the the "to be continued.." more signifcant and finished this triliogy with a grand finale im talking Toy story 3 level and beyond.
The writers did say that BTSV will have a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy. My bet is exactly what u said the creation of earth-8 with them being together.
@@user-xh2nm3xz8x yeah absolutely. It’s their bond and deep connection that makes their worlds merging together. Their relationship has so much depth and love that makes them happy.
Yeah ,earth 8 where they are married and have two kids max and Charlotte, it would be interesting if they make an appearance in beyond the spider-verse. There's even a theory that the miles and Gwen from the movie is them.
It’s the creators and writers choice on if they bring their earth-8 versions in beyond the spiderverse or not. But I like it if they didn’t. Because it would be better if miles and Gwen are the original earth-8 in these films as earth-8 is heavily implied to be the future of earth-65. Plus it will ruin the first time for everything and it’s all possible quote shared in the movie.
That's why Miles and Gwen's relationship of built up I can believe and take seriously because there are certain qualities about the other that the other is drawn to; something that is either missing from their lives or a pain in their current lives that seems to healed by the other's influence. Many built up of relationships I can never take seriously these days. For example, Aang and Katara from avatar. That relationship I can't take seriously and their development to get together is so cliche and predictable. Why is Gwen drawn to Miles? Gwen avoids friends because she is afraid that getting an attachment would further out that person in harm's way. She refuses to confront her father and follows the spider society to not only escape her father but to she believes that since her father's fate is coming she follows the society blindly. It is until miles does something that Gwen never did: Take a chance to not believe that the canon is 100 percent fate and should allow to happen. After her father quits and won't be captain it is that moment that miles' way to take action would not guarantee the canon as 100 perfect supposed to be. Miles making her realize that is one of the contributing factors as to why she is drawn to him.
@@CinePlayRealm From my perspective Gwen is burdened from responsibility (her personal struggles, spider society) that she just visited Miles to get a sense of normalcy. She wouldn't have brought up hanging out at spiderpunks place often knowing Miles will get jealous
Canon event in movie is basically something that should happen and you can't interrupt or try to avoid it if you do interrupt it might destroy that universe and it will be canon event disrupted, although it's unclear if canon events are real or not I personally believe that is not real ,but the next movie will probably explore more about it, that's why it's said canon event disrupted when miles saved the captain. Miguel fully believes that you shouldn't disrupt a Canon event and thats what causes all the conflicts in the movie. I hope that helped 👍
I think people misunderstand this relationship, Gwen doesn’t like miles like that, she like him as a friend, she friend zoned him on the clock tower. And plus miles cut her off at the end of the movie.
I think the reason she friend-zoned him is because she knows in every universe where Gwen falls in love with Spider-Man, she ends up dying. and Miles only cut her off because he was feeling very betrayed by her and Peter. they might end up being just friends but I think it could go either way
Miles was the one that friendzone her in the first movie. ITSV ends with Gwen having to developed feelings for him and miles having a crush on her. In the second film, Gwen turns pink every time when she was around miles. Acted awkward when she arrived to his world at first but then acted cool because she discovered he felt the same way about her. Plus, she thinks he is amazing ( which is one of the closest things we get to see about Gwen’s true feelings for him). In the art book it is said that Gwen wants to be with him. In summary, she is more in love with him because she makes so obvious based on the way she is around him, facial expressions and the way she talks to him.
Tell me one Spiderman that hasn't kept secrets from their loved ones? Be it Maryjane, aunt may or whoever, spiders lie to their loved ones. It's about as expected as anything else in who they are. Even miles has been lying to his own family and keeping secrets.
I think by the end of across the spider verse or after the Miguel vs miles fight she is truly a great friend since it’s the only time she argues with Miguel and opposes Miguel she also goes to get the photo of her and miles from her room right after that as well as going to see him even though she is forbidden from seeing him
I don't think making a mistake out of fear makes someone less of a friend. Even best friends get into arguments now and then, but that doesn't suddenly undo everything that came before. As long as they take accountability and have the will to grow then they can pull through anything. What isn't right is trying to actively sabotage/prevent other relationships ability to grow.
What was she supposed to say, “Oh hey bud, your dad gonna die in like 3 days and you can’t stop it from happening, also you weren’t supposed to be Spider-Man. Anyway I missed you BYYEEEE” 😑😑😑 And at that time he was basically one of, if not the only person/people she had left, like you saw how her dad reacted when she revealed a big secret, why would she reveal another big secret after that
I completely understand your perspective, but the whole point of the movie and Gwen's arc is that she loves Miles a lot, but she's not perfect. She made a mistake by not being honest with him, but at least she realized that and is willing to do the right thing. Their relationship isn't perfect, and that's what makes it so genuine.
@@CinePlayRealm I understand your point as well But she wasn't honest about hobbies, she wasn't why he was being treated like a outcast an literal determining his choice without that conversation of what's going on. Remember Pav reaction when he said he didn't know about hobbie?
One of the things the movie also explores, apart from all the conflicts, is the jealousy between them. I know that Spider Byte and Spider-Punk are very important to the story, but the creators likely used them to delve into the jealousy between Miles and Gwen, and it worked perfectly. It's a mix of everything-jealousy, conflict, etc.-and it's all part of their love story.
@@CinePlayRealm Because if u compare it to real life a Gwen wearing Bobbie shoe, sweater, an toothbrush at another man house would a abrupt ending to that relationship. Because I believe it would be taken as if she not into him, an that Gwen an hobbie has something with each other. Jealous just create distrust. But I guess we havd to see more in beyond the spiderverse to truly understand what's happening.
The movie already explained everything: she was homeless and couldn't go back to her universe. Knowing how Hobie helped Miles, it's not hard to think he would help Gwen too. He's like an older brother to them. Hobie is the GOAT of the movie-the best friend you can have.
Cross dimensional relationship uhn. I love the chemistry between those two, but it's more complicated than we think it is Miguel will murder those two before they think of having children 💀☠ .
To be honest, a kiss scene in the first movie would've ruined their story arc
Also, she was wearing Miles' coat to feel comforted if that's not love idk what is
Fr, like Gwen hasn’t made a friend since her Peter Parker died, it would’ve just been messed up
@@santiago4654I kinda missed that. I thought she wore it just so Miles’ parents wouldn’t see her spider suit.
Yeah, she wears his coat to feel warmth and comfort to show their relationship growth and impact miles has on her.
I’m not going to get into Gwen sensing miles from another universe showcasing their bond/connection.
But people don’t realise that before she even went in miles room. When his dad came home. Gwen turned pink because she thought miles would be with him and was going to confess everything to miles like her true feelings for him and how badly she messed up.
@@badmoose01 No, she definitely wore his coat cause she was cold.
"I have a girlfriend I swear! She's just from another dimension!"
I would say Miles has a more secure attachment style so it's not that he loves Gwen less but he doesn't fear losing Gwen or thinks he's not worthy of her. On the other hand, Gwen shows all signs of avoidant attachment and so she fears intimacy, vulnerability and being hurt once more if she allows herself to love again (this is why her "no no no no no" line in Mumbahttan is so important and shouldn't have been removed) she's so scared of losing Miles yet she loves him more than anything. He gives her hope. Can't wait to see those two reconcile in Beyond ❤️🌻
ITSV: miles has a little crush Gwen but from the bus scene Miles gives gwen affection and understanding that makes Gwen happy. From that scene and throughout the movie, u can see she develops feelings based on her interactions and the way she looks at him. I like ending which is Gwen staring at the photo which shows the impact miles has on her.
ATSV: Miles draws her and Gwen plays the drums because they can’t stop thinking about each other, keeps the photo of them because it’s a natural treasure as it is meaningful to her. both understand each other emotionally, connect personally, almost kiss, both are jealous of each other and are always there for each other. Gwen turns pink around miles in four scenes which indicates her love for him.
I think while watching these movies so many times. Gwen loves miles more because I like to think while her father is her purpose on why she wears the mask as a badge. Miles is the reason that she continues being spider women by keeping the photo because it gives her meaning to keep on going. Plus I think that while Gwen said it’s all possible she was thinking of the first time for everything line that miles gave her based on their relationship and breaking that canon event based on breaking her father’s.
BTSV: Phil lord said that we are going to see how miles is going to see this betrayal as affirmative. With Chris miller saying that we will focus on mile’s emotional growth by exploring his deep relationships with Peter, his parents and ofc mostly Gwen.
Can’t wait for the third movie.
What does he mean by seeing the betrayal as affirmative?
@@malachinsimbi like miles is going to understand and agree when Gwen explains everything to him on why she had no choice .
And what I mean by that is Gwen is going to confess that she was forbidden going to see him explain that she broke her father’s canon event which Miles proved that he was right, and most importantly she going to confess her true feelings to him.
In summary, he is going to find agreement on why she joined the society. Plus miles just knows Miguel’s side of the story. He doesn’t know Gwen’s.
@@Carlton17277 Miles may listen to Gwen, maybe she will express everything to him and confess her feelings to him, and then what if such an unexpected person will be right? For example, Miles now has new friends, the Venom symbiote (perhaps if they add it) merged with our Miles and he became cruel and will arrange an unexpected attack on Gwen’s team, then Miles the Tramp says “it’s time for revenge,” as if Gwen was an obedient dog for Miguel, so Miles will become an obedient dog for his double.
@@user-xh2nm3xz8x I don’t think that will happen. Because there is no reason. I think they will include sinister 6 in earth 42, the spot and maybe some villain references in and there. I don’t think the writers are going to something unexpected because they don’t have to do that.
When comes to miles and Gwen’s relationship the writers are going to keep it simple but yet have complex. Now Margo will be a character will make Gwen jealous because of miles being a little friendly to her and hobie is also going to make miles jealous but I think he is going to help miles and Gwen’s relationship because I think he is the only one that knows that Gwen has feelings for miles. And what I also mean is that miles in the beginning when he sees Gwen again he will act cold and angry at her because he feels betrayed. But throughout the movie they are going to reconcile and Gwen will be the one that I think will express her feelings to him first or maybe the writers will wait till the end with both confessing or have a kiss to confirm that they are couple.
All I know is about miles and Gwen’s relationship they going to go emotionally deep with a satisfying conclusion. Which means they will get together.
@@Carlton17277 I doubt that Miles will ever agree with what Gwen did. After all, she was wrong. But he will come to understand why she did what she did and how, as mixed up as it was, she did it out of both love and fear. A love that could not stand to hurt him or destroy his hope and confidence in himself, and a fear for his well being and that of his universe.
I think what Lord & Miller meant by "affirmative" is that Miles was going to take this terrible betrayal that happened to him and, instead of let it push him away from Gwen and Peter, will turn it towards good in some way. The end result will be a stronger bond b/w him and Gwen, since now they will be facing each other, for the first time knowing the real person about whom they care so much. Not the amazing young spider-man who needs to be protected, not the idealized and perfect young Spider-Woman who can do no wrong. Just two flawed, awkward teens doing the best they can, who can screw up just as much as anyone else, but who love each other anyway.
I wanna see both Gwen and miles kiss each other in the ending of Beyond the Spider Verse
YES! I was about to say that!
Me too
It is building up to happen. Plus I will not mind if they narrate their story together like miles did in the first movie at the end.
@@Carlton17277 but BTSV is still unreleased
@@Mariofanaticanimations I know. But the writers, directors, producers, actors and creators show so much depth in their relationship and it is the love story between them. But ur right remains unseen however it seems more likely they will get together.
Hobie is the GOAT
That's what I'm talking about! That's why he's the MVP! That's why he's the G.O.A.T.! THE G.O.A.T.!!
7:55 another detail about the shoulder lean scene, is that they are upside down, but Gwen still puts in the effort to lean on his shoudler
OK, that just made my day. I honestly hope Miles forgives her. I really, really, REALLY, hope so.
Me too.
gwen and miles are a lovebirds and I like miles miles and gwen are in love
Spider people always lie to those they love. Literally every single time. It's part of their entire lore of having an alter ego. The notion she doesn't love miles because she lied is just silly. Gwen is down bad for sure, more than he is at this point. And she will go to war to prove it to him. I actually hope she does fall for him, while helping save his dad or something and miles does both. He saves his dad and gwen proving that Spiderman always does both AND gwen Stacy falling for Spiderman doesn't always end badly. There is a first time for everything
There might be a scene in the next movie where Miles's Dad and Gwen are both in danger at the same time and Miles will have to choose. And hopefully he chooses Gwen to save.
@FireheartFB man I can see it being a thing but Miles' entire thing is he can do BOTH. No way he's letting one of them die. I'm sure he'd sacrifice himself before he let any of his loved ones die
@justingipson8510 It is a Spiderman story, though. Not every relationship that Spiderman has ends well. And if Miles saves Gwen, it would still prove he can get away with stopping canon events without his and other universes being destroyed.
@@FireheartFBHe can save both. Because there will be two of him. Him and Miles 42.
Part of the point of these movies is Miles rejecting the very notion that a Spider-Man story always ends with him losing someone he loves. Ah when you say, "in all the other Spider-Man movies, this tragic thing that makes him suffer happens" I think you can place a bet that this Spider-Man story intends to subvert that particular trope.
Miles is going to go through hell, but he's going to keep Gwen and his family alive. This one time at least, Spider-Man will get his happy ending.
@@dgmilloway Why do you think Miles 42 would help him? Miles 42 was ready to torture Miles at the end of the second movie.
Knowing that gwen actually loves miles, made me so glad❤
Gwen has no one except miles so obvi she loves him more❤
*hobie enters chat.*
*leaves again*
I guess miles is the only one that understands her emotionally, mentally and physically and connects with her personally.
Hobie was there for Gwen when she missed miles and I guess she had no one but miles who was her only meaningful connection she had in her life. The reason why hobie stayed in the society was because he was looking out for his drummer (Gwen) and for miles he helped him escape by helping him discover his powers.
Looking at this comment I agree with it but I also think hobie was a brother to both miles and Gwen and played an important role in their relationship. Plus I like how he calls Gwen gwendy and miles Peter Pan. In dictating he likes them together.
@@Carlton17277 fr bro
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It’s like Miles’ homeworld and Gwen’s homeworld turn into Earth-8 because of their love, I’d look at that.
1. In ITSV, Gwen was in miles world a week before the others and also her spider senses told her to head to visions academy to meet miles because she is connected to him. Where Gwen volunteered to stop the collider and stay in his world, to spend more time with miles. But anyway, in that scene the others glitched but Gwen didn’t which shows that her atoms were able to adjust and there is no Gwen Stacy variant in miles world.
2. In ATSV, their colour pallets were able to merge in his world when they were on their swing date and also there happened to be an infinity symbol when Gwen was saying goodbye. Both of these scenes show again they are connected across the spiderverse.
3. In the comics of earth-8, Gwen is not originally from earth-8. Which means she met miles in a multiverse conflict. They are both part of a team and are married and have kids.
In the two movies, Miles and Gwen are from separate universes but met at a multiverse conflict. They were both part of a team in the first and most likely be part of a team in the third. Now what about them getting married and having kids, that is not impossible because in the comics spider ham appears to be the uncle of their kids and who is miles and Gwen close to in the movies, spider ham.
And there is a scene in ATSV where they both looked at each other when Peter b showed photos of mayday. And earth-8 is implied to be the future of earth-65. And there happened to be an eight in the background as well when Gwen was saying good bye.
4. Lastly, BTSV will focus on miles and Gwen relationship more emotionally deep. To add both emotional growth in both characters. And there will be a satisfying conclusion. How will their worlds merge I don’t know but maybe it will maybe because of the spot being too powerful and it’s because he has the power of multiverse at the palm of his hand which may include merging worlds together. But I don’t know all I knows is that it is indicating they will get together and I believe that the creators, writers, directors and producers are following the earth-8 storyline between the miles and Gwen.
Now I know people are going to say but earth- 8 is alternate universe but what if there is no earth-8 until their world merge, I mean an 8 being in earth1610 may show that their world will merge. And look at the Gwen Stacy canon event it doesn’t end well in other universes, but miles first time for everything line and Gwen thinking of that line and telling his parents it’s all possible.
Yes!!! I love the idea of Earth 8. I think your theory is better than everyone else's theories where they meet Miles and Gwen from Earth 8.
I hope in beyond the spiderverse gwen & miles can be together or kiss atleast😭
I hope Miles and Gwen to be together in BTSV. If they do get together it will be the best spider verse Trilogy ever.
I know. Chris miller and Phil lord confirmed that we will be looking at miles and Gwen’s relationship more emotionally deep.
And now it’s been confirmed by Shamiek Moore that we will be looking at miles and Gwen relationship further.
@@murifedontrun3363 in an interview with screen rant at the premiere of madame web. There is this website called comic book resources. And he said he promises more action and a further development in miles and Gwen relationship.
This is very in depth and agree with all of it great job ❤
one of the beauties in spider-man's story is that his relationships are usually complicated
“What's important is not standing by and allowing someone to suffer or die because you do nothing. If you don't get that, then you don't get the first thing about being Spider-Man.”
The Spider-Man from the Edge of Time would have sided with Miguel because his theories about canon events are inaccurate and letting someone to die is not only a red flag. But that is very irresponsible of using your powers.
Having tragic moments doesn’t shaped you to becoming Spider-Man. The mask you wear is all about given people hope. And with great power, comes great responsibility. Miles understands this than Miguel.
Yes, you nailed it! She is definitely more in love then him. They will make a great great couple! Like Luke and Jessica and Green Lantern and Hawk Girl. P.S. As much as I like Gwen she has a lot of explaining to do!!!!!!! Peace!
"oh hi hobie ! oh hes nobody just a FRIEND, miles. yes alot like you just a friend. but this freind i "crash with" and keep the big secret like ur dad is gonna die and we gonna help put himin the ground. BUT ILOVE YOU MILES JUST NEVER ILL SAY IT. "
@@callmesenpaidesu1506 forgot to mention the part where if he saves his dad his universe is going to collapse and has a chance of causing chain reaction destroying the whole multiverse😑🤦.... . but yeah she totally lied to him for no🤷 reason
@@JaireGordon he isnt a regular spiderman . they said it themselves e cant be part of the club. plus he akreadylost his uncle figure . if its direct biological or if its by metorship he lostuncle aaron abd spiderman. . why does spiderqwen still have her dad bc she lost peter. miles should be safe.
@@callmesenpaidesu1506 but he still in the process of going through a Canon event and I know he's not normal but when your putting your universe and potentially and the multiverse in danger it's not worth the risk. Same situation has insomniac spider
@@JaireGordon and also not worth telling him as soon as you find out. btw theory time: are they gonna do the same as the comic and kill his mom ?
They gotta get together in beyond
I Really, Really, REALLY, Love This Analysis!
It Gets Me Hyped On What Will Happen Next In The 3rd Movie!!
What do you think might happen in the third film?
When I see this movie, I believe there is hope for Marvel
I certainly enjoyed your video. You approached this from a different angle from my video essay on their relationship. I believe Miles and Gwen are both equally in ❤ with each other. Still, this is a very good analysis.
If the third film comes out next year, I bet Miles is still gonna blow a gasket at Gwen and Peter for keeping secrets from him and probably out of anger, rip up his battle damaged costume to show them how serious he's being and that Miguel was right about him not meant to be Spider-Man. But then before the last fight of the film, Miles will don a new suit (none spray painted) like Peter said he'd get him and fight the Spot and save his dad.
Well, of course, Miles has every right to be angry with them, and to be honest, I feel really sorry for him.
@user-xh2nm3xz8x yeah. Know why I believe I think Miles will rip up his suit?
@@rossgowran8122 One more thing will always bother me until they make a sequel either this year or next, I’m afraid that Miles, because of Earth-42 or because of his double, may become Evil as he gathers new friends with him, and may also pick up the Venom symbiote, or I think that in the world in which Miles is stuck he will stay either a year or maybe two years because I think time passes differently in different universes.
@user-xh2nm3xz8x Sure. But I asked if you know why I think Miles will rip up his suit
Bro the point of the movie is that he is nothing like peter, he is his own person and makes his own decision, he is spiderman and the spray paint is his iconic signitature that was passed on from his uncle, he wouldn't change it
The fact that Miles changes everything he touches into a unique state. Including Gwen's hair. And that is literally the massage of these movies. Be yourself, be unique
Dont think miles loves gwen much anymore since she knew about miles's dad were gonna die and planned about him getting trapped in the spider hq
Gwen's feelings probably hasnt change because she tried to find miles when miles was at the wrong universe.
Miles and Gwen will prob argue about gwen knowing miles's dad is dying in beyond the spiderverse.
But they might love eachother again and kiss at the end.
Does Spiderbyte know that Miles went to the wrong universe? I’m sure they have logs of that stuff somewhere
I think she has an idea where he is, but not 100%, because in my opinion if she actually knows exactly where he is, it will take away the drama of searching for him in different dimensions and all that.
There's still the issue that neither can remain in each other's universe because they'll glitch out & die unless they wear a watch or bracelet. Regardless Gwen & Miles are so cute together looking forward to what the 3rd movie will bring. Maybe in another movie we'll see both of them grown up & they get married.
Well in earth-8 Gwen was not originally from that world and it ended happily.
And since miles is the original anomaly. It means that there is no other miles variant that is Spider-Man in another world.
In summary, since Miles is the original anomaly which means there is no variant of himself that is Spider-Man in any other world. I think the writers are following the earth-8 storyline between miles and Gwen. And I’m hearing that there world will merge to form earth-8.
@@Carlton17277 Do you think that the home universes of Gwen and Miles will merge into Earth-8?
@@user-xh2nm3xz8xit’s possible, and there is a lot of information when ur comparing gwen and miles comics of earth-8 to this film that can back this up and there is a lot of similarities between the comics of earth-8 and the movie. I did do a comment about this and how it can happen.
Look I did say this, if they want to do a time skip that will make sense and be fine because it is based on the comics and there is character in that comic that plays a uncle role in taking of their kids and in the movie miles and Gwen are close to that character.
I want to conclude that, earth-8 is the future of earth-65. When you look at the Gwen Stacy canon event. It’s going to end well because they get together in earth-8. Like I said the spot will be the reason why there worlds will merge because of him having the power of the multiverse at the palm of his hand.
So yeah, I do believe this can happen and I do think that this why the writers have been from the very start of the spiderverse saga building this relationship and getting them together at the end.
Yep that’s exactly how I saw it the first time in the theatre. You forgot mikes was jealous of who hooby was at first. Ya so many emotions in the movie. It took me three times to go through it. I saw all this off the bat it’s there faces that give it away. But ya at the end the way she looks at miles. That was the look of them being at the same place. The first time I saw it I was lol mad and on mikes side really feeling that betrayal. The second time I was kinda just focused on the other characters like the India guy and ya. Then I try to focus on Miguel. Actually I loved the spot also felt things for him actually. Ya no matter what though ya Gwen is kinda a stand alone person doing her own thing. I didn’t really care for Peter in this movie …. He keeps saying he’s a mentor…. Ya no I rewatched first movie he did not teach him anything lol
Keeping secrets by your love interest and letting your own father to die for the sake of canon events is the worst kind of betrayal a protagonist like Miles Morales would ever experience.
Hope Gwen can learn her mistakes in the upcoming Byeond the Spiderverse but she first needs to earn his trust first. He would distance himself from her and Peter B after what has happened.
Miles x Gwen
Just hope they execute it well in the next movie
earned a sub love these type of videos💯
They should rerelease a remastered version of ATSV a week before the premier of BTSV to make the the "to be continued.." more signifcant and finished this triliogy with a grand finale im talking Toy story 3 level and beyond.
Yeah
I really hope that BTSV ends the creation of Universe 8 after defeating the spot that would be awesome
The writers did say that BTSV will have a satisfying conclusion to the trilogy. My bet is exactly what u said the creation of earth-8 with them being together.
@@Carlton17277 It’s like Miles’ homeworld and Gwen’s homeworld turn into Earth-8 because of their love, I’d look at that.
It’s like Miles’ homeworld and Gwen’s homeworld turn into Earth-8 because of their love, I’d look at that.
@@user-xh2nm3xz8x yeah absolutely. It’s their bond and deep connection that makes their worlds merging together.
Their relationship has so much depth and love that makes them happy.
Eh I think they like each other the same because there’s so many more little details this video did not cover.
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In one side i want Miles and Gwen too become a couple but another side doesn't want Gwen too die in Beyond the spider verse.
I heard from a alternate reality, their version of miles and Gwen actually got married
Yeah ,earth 8 where they are married and have two kids max and Charlotte, it would be interesting if they make an appearance in beyond the spider-verse. There's even a theory that the miles and Gwen from the movie is them.
It’s the creators and writers choice on if they bring their earth-8 versions in beyond the spiderverse or not. But I like it if they didn’t. Because it would be better if miles and Gwen are the original earth-8 in these films as earth-8 is heavily implied to be the future of earth-65. Plus it will ruin the first time for everything and it’s all possible quote shared in the movie.
I think they want my each other and kiss because they fall in love together
Faith in love ❤❤
That's why Miles and Gwen's relationship of built up I can believe and take seriously because there are certain qualities about the other that the other is drawn to; something that is either missing from their lives or a pain in their current lives that seems to healed by the other's influence. Many built up of relationships I can never take seriously these days. For example, Aang and Katara from avatar. That relationship I can't take seriously and their development to get together is so cliche and predictable.
Why is Gwen drawn to Miles? Gwen avoids friends because she is afraid that getting an attachment would further out that person in harm's way. She refuses to confront her father and follows the spider society to not only escape her father but to she believes that since her father's fate is coming she follows the society blindly. It is until miles does something that Gwen never did: Take a chance to not believe that the canon is 100 percent fate and should allow to happen. After her father quits and won't be captain it is that moment that miles' way to take action would not guarantee the canon as 100 perfect supposed to be. Miles making her realize that is one of the contributing factors as to why she is drawn to him.
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Miles loves Gwen more
Gwen just wants friendship and just meet up with Miles in Across The Spider verse to escape from her current reality
That's not what the movie showed,but we all have different perspectives so it's fine.
@@CinePlayRealm From my perspective Gwen is burdened from responsibility (her personal struggles, spider society) that she just visited Miles to get a sense of normalcy.
She wouldn't have brought up hanging out at spiderpunks place often knowing Miles will get jealous
This isn’t correct in the slightest. Gwen is in love with Miles
@@Treck533 we'll see in Beyond the Spiderverse
@@e3vL1It’s already shown in Across, she literally risked the fate of the multiverse to have one afternoon with him.
3:57 Gwen actually looks creepy in this shot 💀
Why?😂😂
Man why does miguel says "cannon event interrupted"
Canon event in movie is basically something that should happen and you can't interrupt or try to avoid it if you do interrupt it might destroy that universe and it will be canon event disrupted, although it's unclear if canon events are real or not I personally believe that is not real ,but the next movie will probably explore more about it, that's why it's said canon event disrupted when miles saved the captain. Miguel fully believes that you shouldn't disrupt a Canon event and thats what causes all the conflicts in the movie. I hope that helped 👍
@@CinePlayRealm thanks
I swear I heard a lot of the script of this video from a non-AI review channel.
What are you trying to say?
I think people misunderstand this relationship, Gwen doesn’t like miles like that, she like him as a friend, she friend zoned him on the clock tower. And plus miles cut her off at the end of the movie.
I think the reason she friend-zoned him is because she knows in every universe where Gwen falls in love with Spider-Man, she ends up dying. and Miles only cut her off because he was feeling very betrayed by her and Peter. they might end up being just friends but I think it could go either way
It's not a misunderstanding, it's there you just don't want to see it,but I understand your point of view.
they clearly love each other have u not watched the movies ??
@@prince-bm4xt He has. He just doesn't want to see it.
Miles was the one that friendzone her in the first movie. ITSV ends with Gwen having to developed feelings for him and miles having a crush on her.
In the second film, Gwen turns pink every time when she was around miles. Acted awkward when she arrived to his world at first but then acted cool because she discovered he felt the same way about her.
Plus, she thinks he is amazing ( which is one of the closest things we get to see about Gwen’s true feelings for him). In the art book it is said that Gwen wants to be with him.
In summary, she is more in love with him because she makes so obvious based on the way she is around him, facial expressions and the way she talks to him.
But his not amazing spiderman 😢
If Gwen is really a good friend to Miles, then she shouldn’t keep secrets from him. I don’t care what Miguel says about it. This isn’t right for me.
Tell me one Spiderman that hasn't kept secrets from their loved ones? Be it Maryjane, aunt may or whoever, spiders lie to their loved ones. It's about as expected as anything else in who they are. Even miles has been lying to his own family and keeping secrets.
I think by the end of across the spider verse or after the Miguel vs miles fight she is truly a great friend since it’s the only time she argues with Miguel and opposes Miguel she also goes to get the photo of her and miles from her room right after that as well as going to see him even though she is forbidden from seeing him
I don't think making a mistake out of fear makes someone less of a friend. Even best friends get into arguments now and then, but that doesn't suddenly undo everything that came before. As long as they take accountability and have the will to grow then they can pull through anything.
What isn't right is trying to actively sabotage/prevent other relationships ability to grow.
Dr House: Everybody lies.
What was she supposed to say, “Oh hey bud, your dad gonna die in like 3 days and you can’t stop it from happening, also you weren’t supposed to be Spider-Man. Anyway I missed you BYYEEEE” 😑😑😑
And at that time he was basically one of, if not the only person/people she had left, like you saw how her dad reacted when she revealed a big secret, why would she reveal another big secret after that
I say miles in this case because love comes with honestly an gwen didnt show any.
I completely understand your perspective, but the whole point of the movie and Gwen's arc is that she loves Miles a lot, but she's not perfect. She made a mistake by not being honest with him, but at least she realized that and is willing to do the right thing. Their relationship isn't perfect, and that's what makes it so genuine.
@@CinePlayRealm I understand your point as well But she wasn't honest about hobbies, she wasn't why he was being treated like a outcast an literal determining his choice without that conversation of what's going on. Remember Pav reaction when he said he didn't know about hobbie?
One of the things the movie also explores, apart from all the conflicts, is the jealousy between them. I know that Spider Byte and Spider-Punk are very important to the story, but the creators likely used them to delve into the jealousy between Miles and Gwen, and it worked perfectly. It's a mix of everything-jealousy, conflict, etc.-and it's all part of their love story.
@@CinePlayRealm Because if u compare it to real life a Gwen wearing Bobbie shoe, sweater, an toothbrush at another man house would a abrupt ending to that relationship. Because I believe it would be taken as if she not into him, an that Gwen an hobbie has something with each other. Jealous just create distrust. But I guess we havd to see more in beyond the spiderverse to truly understand what's happening.
The movie already explained everything: she was homeless and couldn't go back to her universe. Knowing how Hobie helped Miles, it's not hard to think he would help Gwen too. He's like an older brother to them. Hobie is the GOAT of the movie-the best friend you can have.
Cross dimensional relationship uhn.
I love the chemistry between those two, but it's more complicated than we think it is
Miguel will murder those two before they think of having children 💀☠
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Let's see how they gonna handle this ,but I don't think dimensional difference is a problem at this point to be honest.