BIG ASS TOMS - Why?
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- John Bonham used a 14" and sometimes 15" rack tom, David Grohl used a 16" tom, and in this video we hear the reason why they chose such big toms.
Would love to hear your thoughts in the comments section.
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-Brad
List of gear I’m using in this video:
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Interface, DAW, & Plugins:
Apollo X8P Interface
LUNA Digital Audio Workstation
Neve 1084 Preamps
Pultec EQP-1A
Capitol Chambers Reverb
UA Teletronix LA-2A
WAVES Abbey Road Studios Mastering Chain
Ampex ATR-102
Fairchild 670
SSL G-Master Buss Compressor
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List of Microphones:
Warm Audio WA-47jr
Sennheiser 421
Shure SM57 -
AKG D112
Yamaha SubKick
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List of Drums:
Tama Superstar ( Made In Japan in the early 80’s )
9x13 Tom
12x15 Tom used as a floor tom
16x18 Floor Tom
14x24 Bass Drum
6x14 Tama S.L.P. G-Bubinga Snare
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List of Cymbals:
Paiste 14” Signature Reflector Heavy Full Hi-Hats
Paiste 19” Signature Reflector Heavy Full Crash
Paiste 20” Signature Reflector Heavy Full Crash
Paiste 24” 2002 Crash used mainly as a ride
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Heads:
Remo Coated Ambassadors Top & Bottom on Toms
Remo Powerstroke 3 on the 18" Floor Tom
Remo Powertstroke 3 Batter side of bass drum
Remo Coated Ambassador Batter side of snare
Remo Ambassador Hazy on Snare Side
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STICKS:
VATER 55BB
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Pedals & Hardware:
DW 9000 Double Pedal
DW 9000 Hi-Hat Stand
DW 5000 Cymbal Stands
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Percussion:
LP Mambo Cowbell
LP Chad Smith Cowbell
I Love that sound and am building a fiberglass set right now. It will have 16", 18", and 20" toms and a 28" diameter bass drum. I love the low end and I like the toms to sing not be all chocked up.
That sounds awesome!! I would love to hear it when you get it done! Are you planning on doing a video with it?
they sound amazing! And the 15” is the Holy Grail when it comes to TAMA Superstar mahogany. A lot of Neil Peart enthusiasts building kits that are trying to find them. This would be the perfect Jim Keltner kit, though.
I personally think the 12x15 is the most versatile sized drum ever made. I can tune it high and use it for the first rack tom or tune it low and use for a floor tom. I've even used it as a gong drum before. Love that drum!
Yes, that Neil Peart kit needs the rare 15x12 of which I used to have.
@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad And it also happened to be my first snare drum too. An old Ludwig 15x12 ROTC marching snare drum. It sounded great.
Its easy to make a big drum sound smaller, but hard to make a small drum sound big. I use a 15x12, 16x16, 18x16, 26x14, and a 15x14 tom to the left of my hats. My snare is always a 6.5x14 Supraphonic. Anyhow, every sound man LOVES my kick. 6ply 1980's Ludwigs. Reso head is a Remo fiberskyn 3 FA Bass head and the batter is the Aquarian superkick II.
No holes. No blankets. Medium-high batter tension, medium-low reso tension. Felt beater head. Teeth rattling low-end.
My toms are med-high tensions to sing. All coated vintage ambassadors tops, bottoms ambassador renaissance. I love big toms. Harder to find 15" and 26" heads these days....
I had a Ludwig 6 ply kit for about 10 years in almost the same sizes that you have. The sizes I had were 10x14, 12x15, 16x16, and a 16x26. I also grew up playing a Ludwig Supraphonic but it was a 5x14. And I had the same experience as you with anyone who was running sound. They all said it was the best bass drum they have ever heard. There is something very special about those 6 ply shells. :)
@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad I think it was that the 6 plys were poplar core (same as the 3-ply) with maple inside and out. It helps give it the missing "roundness" or "fatness" to the sharp projection of pure maple shells.
And the bearing edges have a rounded over 45 degree instead of sharp.
Love the sound of those big toms. Problem for me is that even though I'm a big guy (6'2"), I like my toms and cymbals low, so I can't get my rack tom in a comfortable place if it's any deeper than 9". I've thought about experimenting with a Bonham-esque kit though -- I don't own any kick drums bigger than 22 and don't like the way 26's feel, but I would love to own a 24x14 like yours. Maybe I'll try raising my rack tom a few inches and see if I get used to it. Great drumming and sound!
I can totally relate to everything in your comment. Even the height. I'm 6'2" as well and for the longest time I preferred my toms super low. I had them at the exact same height as the snare. I set them up that way because of two reasons: it looked cool, (who doesn't love that?) and it was easier to go from the snare to the toms. What ended up happening though, I was developing some pretty serious wrist pain due the angle during the down stroke when I was playing the toms. So I gradually (over about a 6 month period ) raised them up about seven inches and angled them towards me to keep my wrists from extending too much. The 12x15 in this video is about seven inches higher than the snare and it's one of the most comfortable setups I've played. If you end up giving it a try let me know how it goes. And thank you for the compliment on the drumming and sound! Much appreciated! :)
@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad Interesting -- thank you for the reply! I'm a fan of the fairly flat/low look as well, although there's still a little bit of a gap between the front of the batter rim of my rack tom and the back of the batter rim on my snare -- probably about 2 inches. I'll give this a try soon and let you know. Thanks again!
That kit sounded great.
I've been playing with the idea of a "Bigger Beat" kit, using a 14/15/18ft setup, instead of the usual 12/13/16ft setup of the Big Beat kit, so this video was right up my alley.
Thanks for putting those sounds in my head into actual, real world, context.
Thank you, Dean! That's a great name for the setup, Bigger Beat! I might have to give that a try except with a 13 instead of a 14. What size bass drum would you choose for your setup?
@@RecordingDrumsWithBrad I imagine it as a Big Beat kit with larger toms, so the bass would remain a 22....and the 15 would only be 11" deep.
I'm putting together a Pearl Decade maple kit with a 22x18" bass drum, 18x16" floor tom & 14x10" rack tom. Red/black fade. Looking at adding a Pearl masters maple MCX series 14x6.5" snare with die cast hoops.
Awesome! I hope you find the snare you're looking for. I've heard a lot of great things about that particular snare.
I don't know why but I play big kits really well but I don't have a big size kit anymore. That may have to change! I used to have the same kit Gregg Bissonette has, the blue mapex subsonic. My friend converted it into a nesting kit. Everything went into the bass drum and it was a killer sounding kit for a mapex. I've seen a big size Slingerland I may go for, 24x14, 14x9.5 and 18x16.
I love Slingerland drums!! Great sizes too! I say go for it!
Sounds great man. Very tasty drum part for the song! Gotta have those big toms in the arsenal for sound options.
Thank you! I didn't want to overplay. Just wanted to let the natural resonance and tone of the drums do most of the work. :)
Love those Tamas ... my favorite drums after hearing Neil Peart, Billy Cobham and Simon Phillips make them sing !! Never tried the 15 in front ... new project for me then !!
Along with Stewart Copeland the three drummers you mentioned are the main reason I started playing Tama. They make great sounding drums that last forever and seem to get better with age.
Having the 15 as my first rack tom is new to me. It took about a week to get used to. Now that I've had it there for a little over a month I think it might stay. I highly recommend giving it a try!
Great drum sounds and playing Sir.Looking forward to more of your material.
Drums sound incredible. I like larger drums. I play a 12,13,16 24x14 but you make me want to rack a 14 or 15.
I love the 12,13,16 setup! And the 14x24 kick is my favorite size for a bass drum. You can't go wrong with adding either a 14 or 15. With that said I've always preferred the sound of 12x15. There is something about that size that microphones just love.
This is Great Brad...!...Can you share you tuning technics...?...Thanks...!!!
Thank you! In this video I tuned both toms as low as they would go, just above growling. Both the heads are tuned to the same pitch and both heads are Remo Coated Ambassadors. Let them ring! :)
not bad ..love low toms
Thank you! Big drums are a lot of fun to play. And record!
Brad, sounds incredible 🙌 I have the same kit and sizes. Totally going to try this. What are the mics on the kick? Killer sound. Thanks 🙏
Thanks, Glenn! These kits are fantastic for recording! The mic on the inside is an AKG D112 and the mic on the outside is a Yamaha Subkick. The batter side head is a Remo Powerstroke P3 Clear, and on the resonant side is a Remo Ambassador with a 5" port. I also have a heavy pillow inside that is touching both the batter and reso. Thanks again, Glenn! Let me know how it turns out!
Sounds fantastic!!!
Thanks, Brad! How's it going?
I’m doing great thanks!!! Keep up the good work!!!
Huge!!! ❤
And a lot of fun to play!! :)
I love sounds you're getting from those toms! What heads (tom and bottom) are you using in this video? PLEASE tell me!
Thanks, Johnny! I'm using Remo Coated Ambassadors on top and bottom of both the tom and floor tom. :)
It has a Bonham sound that everyone likes, but most rock kits are sold with 10 and 12 toms for some reason. You can't comfortably reach 2 large toms on a bass drum.
I'm not sure why most of the drum companies do that. There's nothing wrong with smaller drums but these days I'm really liking the recordings I'm getting with bigger toms. Easier to hit too! Haha!
Love the sound of those toms solo, but I didn't think it fit the song too well
That's one of the things that makes music so much fun for me, everyone hears something different. What tuning or drum size do you think would work better for the song? :)
Honestly sounds like some older Tom Petty which I think sounds great
Thank you! One of the best compliments ever!
I prefer the feel and give of bigger toms. I used one of my 14x12s as my main rack in a 4 piece configuration for years.
I'm with you on that! I was only supposed to use the 15 as my main tom for this video. Now it's a permanent part of my setup. :)
Try some remo ebony emperor heads on your kit sometime. My old ass tama kit is a superstar with power toms and holy molly the heads sounds so cool. The coated heads sound kinda growly on my kit and sustain way too long. The heads you have sound great in this example.
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll definitely give that a go!
I wish my old Gretsch set wasn't "power toms". As I've gotten older I sit lower
( has helped my back)
and I cannot angle the toms without them bottoming out on the kick drum . and the kick is only a 22'.
I don't think even if I could sit high enough to flatten out the angle without them hitting.
they're just too damned long😕
I hear ya! It can be frustrating trying to setup your kit when the sizes are working against you. It sounds like you might be setting up two toms on your bass drum? If not and you're using just one, I found by shifting the tom over just a little bit further towards the hi-hats works great. That's what I did when I was going from a 9x13" to a 12x15" as my first tom. And that's over a 14x24" bass drum. Somehow it works. In fact it's the most comfortable setup I've ever played.
I'm curious, what are the dimensions of your drums?
Why do most kits with 12x8, 13x9, 14x10 have 15x12 and not 15x11? Always curious why 15x12 was the “norm”
Great question! I'm not sure why. I can say that the 12x15 that I have is probably the easiest drum to tune. I know that Pearl offers an 11x15 in there Masterworks series. I think Noble & Cooley offers that size as well. Now I'm curious to know how they would record. If I ever order a new kit I might have to add an 11x15.
Your night crash position...
Anytime I see or hear Bonham used for anything in a video I can't listen any further. Same with Dave Grohl. Just 2 drummers out of tens of thousands who have been on recordings. Bye.