My twitter below & thanks for watching this. My views of the chars' gameplay don't reflect the story utility like Hei, Kaz, etc: x.com/NapBlack/status/1752892687689163214?s=20 Potentially might shift my criticisms a bit on the side characters part, since the world war addition from a gameplay lens showcases the context of characters having their own usage to progress the plot in practical ways.
Im Honestly Disappointed that Jun *DIDN'T* Disown Jin from the entire Kazama Bloodline, And face my boy Kazaya herself. It would have Not changed anything, But at least it would have served some kind of Permanent Consequence for Jin.
This story broke me. At most I'll talk about the chars here & there if I feel like it, but this story kind of took away my interest & investment in the material. It's dishonest in how it was executed. Was excited too.
Namco& HARADA just decided to permanently KiLL the lore of the intere Tekken Franchise 😢😭 It’s a shame… I thought with Tekken 7 the idea was to finally starting uncover and resolve all the plotholes of the storyline, Tekken8 made a total dogshit U-Turn ☹️
T8 story mode is what happens when a lazy fandom just accepts whatever slop the series gives them. Outside of spectacle, I can’t see anything enjoyable here. If this is the direction that a 30-year old franchise will take, then fans deserve better, not to be content with mediocrity. Tekken’s story has been better, and unless fans care more than not all, Tekken’s story WON’T be better.
Definitely dont get why Azucena and Leo were the best they could do as a secondary special character intro. I get she's supposed to be easygoing and passionate about coffee. But at the fate of the world? Makes her seem callous, dumb, and psychopathic.
Agreed. A lot of people seem to have enjoyed that style of characterization for Azu during the war, but it does, in fact, make her a moronic nut case. Weird how her bio is supposed to be a mix of passionately campy, but still Intelligent enough to finish school, learn how to dance & run a recognizable business, yet she's an idiot in the story mode.
@@NapBlackHonest opinion, the azucena in the story mode seems like a completely different person than the azucena in the character's ending. And prefer the character ending.
@@NapBlack Yes he has the black pants from the default outfit and his suit pants are only ever shown black, until then. However there is a shirtless black variant of it in customization used for Arcade quest rather than Story. As if Jin purified his pants and shoes somehow.
This story broke me. I no longer look at TEKKEN for its narrative or char potential. Was balanced with that + the gameplay, but not anymore. Only the gameplay Thanks for your interest & support on this vid still. People really enjoyed this overall, but T8's writing actually broke me.
Late in saying this, but franchises can always learn from its mistakes and strive for more if they're hungry and have the opportunity. One advantage is that TK is old, so there's probably some hidden old stuff that can be re-introduced or used as inspiration to improve or challenge current char dynamics. (DLC story extensions will be present, as we all know) Spider-man does this to this day regarding the "aggressive" Black suit/Symbiote arc that was popular in the 90's cartoon due that "aggressive" trait that was new and original at the time. This was later used in future projects by numerous writers/directors and has been a mainstay ever since Few characters in media (from what I know) that a have similar arc for Jin with a convincing journey: Shayera hol (Hawkgirl) : Justice League Season 1 & 2 or watch the 3 part season 2 finale => Starcrossed Justice League Unlimited Season 1 Episodes => The Return & Wake the Dead JLU Season 2 Episodes => Clash & Hunter's moon (RUclipsr => J's reviews has a story review & analysis playlist with timestamps on all of this Justice league material if you want immediate info) Sasuke Uchiha's Shippuden storyline (Naruto) & the events for him after the 4th Shinobi World War. (For a Sasuke Uchiha intro, YT creator "Swagkage" is a good source for summaries if you haven't seen Naruto?) Wanda/Vision has the concept of society fearing Wanda as the "aggressor/monster" but she doesn't learn the story's lesson in living with what she's done, as her intentions scarred those around her & society will never get renewed since they're all background characters. The writers were unorganized with it
Not sure if that's within my range. I did that for Josie, Bruce & Kuma, but that was a smaller scale compared to this bigger story. Not what I'd personally do, but I do appreciate the interest in this vid
As a long time Asuka fan and such, I am no longer frustrated by her lack of involvement. I've been channeling that more into Jun despite being so much "important and better", and "good". She sounds so- like she doesn't exist but I'm supposed to act like she does. Beyond that, I agree with nearly everything in the video as someone who played the story, skipped certain cutscenes that made Jin seem like a total Mary sue and whatever Jun is.
That's brave for you to be open about Jun since she's a fan fav character. It's funny how you'd think that Jun would've been more involved, like from the trailers, yet they intend to showcase that for the next game
That main T7 costume was never canon. After his T6 suit, he wore that souq clothing & from there, he wore his post credit clothes that was more or less TEKKEN blood vengeance inspired. (That's not in 8 either, but T8 is a 6 month timeskip from 7's events). Point is that Jin's T7 fit is like his T8 announcement trailer karate fit that he didn't wear in the main T8 story. Not canon, but it's available in the game for fans to use.
I won't say that. More of a tsukuyomi that I've seen already & even the opportunities to explore new ideas to payoff canon gets muddied cause of a lack of focus from prior events or dishonest foundation that hinders the potential.
@@NapBlack in tekken 7 we've started to see a sort of path for trying to set finally a little order in the storyline and resolving several plotholes... they got AKUMA from another franchise trying to finally make EPIC THE TEKKEN STORYLINE 🙄 but in TEKKEN8 . . .maybe you are right, they've just simple decided of NOT GIVING A SHIT 😂
Honestly, the ending for this game kinda confirmed that Tekken 4 was the peak of Tekken's canon story, as its finale was essentially a carbon copy of that (Kazuya trying to get more powerful Jin gaining control of his devil form, Jun's spirit convincing him to spare Kazuya, even the hint towards Angel Jin).
@@shahzebhasan9995 Man.....that doesn't mean they should strive for less in tiring, frustrating ways. Regarding the execution, not the foundation for clarity. People care.
@RAIN_2001 If the TK team holds it to a high standard & are in charge of managing the stuff that they founded, then I'm well within my right to seek out what worked, didn't work, what could've improved & what was missed/flawed from established content as the two of us are consumers. They're developers , so our perspectives are allowed to be lenient if we choose to dumb ourselves down, but by that point, I'd be lowering my standards. You lose consumers & their investment by that point.
Tekken story isn't masterpiece by any means, but i always found the lore in the earlier games interesting and there are amazing and wholesome moments with characters, however i think the writers and Harada has made the story worse. Most character are stuck in same situation in each and don't progress while Mishimas get the spotlight. Tekken 6 was the worst character assassination for Jin Tekken 7 tries to twist morality and make us sympathise with Heihachi due to Harada's bias while weakening Kazuya's story. Heihachi has done nothing to earn any sympathy so that bullshit didn't work. Oddly, i find Kazuya more easier to sympathise with due to trauma and suffering he faced as a child because of his father which led him took dark path. Its insane to me that Harada wants us sympathise with literal child abuser because his son "might be devil" when Heihachi is the one causing them to happen while trying to paint Kazuya as generic evil villain as possible. Sure, Kazuya was never a good person and was motivated by revenge and power, but he used to have more humanity and nuance to him. Also, yeah Jin's redemption is ambitious, but kinda doesn't feel genuine to me.
Agreed yea. The story was sincere with what it wanted to do up until a certain point. ("Good story with bad storytelling" as one of commenters share) It's more of a Tsukuyomi That you've seen already. At first Glance you'll raise an eyebrow when I say, "the Mishimas are butchered in the writing." & then you'd have to look at the diff recent games from 6 to 8 & see that it's so warped how Kaz may have been very sympathetic with potential there in the lore, but that gets sent to the trash to rehash the idea w/ Hei & Jin in less satisfying ways that don't do their characters meaningful favours due to dishonesty or a flawed execution. Thanks for commenting.
@@NapBlack No problem. This video was great watch and i agree with you wholeheartedly about Tekken 8 story. They really should've leaned in more to show consequences of Jin's actions by having people still hate him for what he did(and have Miguel and Eddy be there), but they kinda gloss over his atrocities to sell the idea of him being Hope of humanity. When thinking about good redemptions arcs like Cecil Harvey's, Luke fon Fabre's and John Marston, etc. Jin's redemption arc feels like wasted potential and that Jin got off bit too easy.
It's so funny how Jin's char arc is a mirror to Wanda's story from Wanda/Vision in some ways. Those writers did a decent job in showing how public opinion wasn't in her favour by the end of the story & earlier on, their free will was taken from them & living fake lives. Wanda's char execution was a flop though since she didn't learn the story's lesson of being accountable for your actions, as they carry consequences that can be scarring for those involved. For Jin, having supporting chars would've been more believable if you did in fact mix that with secondary TK chars that were casualties of the T6 war in addition to society. How you have a TK tourney held by Kaz & don't have him exploit Jin's unpopular reputation after that NY debate w/ a whole crowd of people that felt Jin's wrath, alongside an announcer that has to give char summaries for said people is beyond me. For FG chars, I have an easier time supporting Scorpion & Siegfried than Jin in this case.
@@NapBlack Damn, i forgot to mention Scorpion and Siegfried 😅 I find it more easier sympathise with Siegfried than Jin because he didn't got off easily, he suffered because of his actions and some still hate him as formerly being Nightmare, heck Taki wanted to eliminate him and yet i find Siegfried's redemption more believable.
Yea😔. There are things I like about it & they seem to have watched this video since DLC characters are getting a story update at least Fighting game devs aren't required to put one in since it's not only more expensive with the evolving gaming graphics but also realizing the fans genuinely mock their capabilities in the writing. (With no follow-up to openly say what could be done, like in this video) It doesn't help that this story has such a great opener, but it's not paid off compellingly through the runtime.
I'll just say this without tryna watch the vid Trying to make sense of tekkens story is like trying to make sense of DBZ Sometimes u just gotta turn off ur brain and enjoy
If the tk team is asking for feedback with the direction & care about the stuff they've setup & have attempted to make a high budget story mode with established criticisms for T7 into account, this vid is a follow up with that thought process: What I like / dislike & in universe criticisms to improve the themes of the story & consistency for better char interactions. "Tekken has a good story, but bad storytelling," as one of my commenters pointed out (1/2)
Harada announcing that they wanted to showcase DLC characters for the main story mode to show their slice of life for free didn't come from nowhere because I sent this to the team to watch this & and criticize that Miguel/Eddy not being in the story hurts both the theme of "breaking the chain," & Jin's attempted char arc. Miguel, forever not having real family loss closure, is saddening cause him being DLC means there's nothing besides special intros if we use T7's dlc structure. Kaz is also butchered cause you really can't setup that there is good in him cause of his TK history/bodycount, his T7's char assassination & T8's content all around. I suggested that they kill Jun in T9 since she's the only person that cared for him & Kaz could open up, realizing he could fight for someone that was genuine than for his shallow, selfish desire for destined chaos (I also made fun of how he's very inconsistent with his goals/ attempts at being a consistent villain cause it's that easy to do)
@@NapBlack dont get me started on the retcon of Kazuyas true devil form In T7 he had it outta nowhere Then in T8 he suddenly needed Azazel to achieve it A retcon between the two titles is crazy
Tekken is self conscious and laughs about it. This is not ghost of tsushima man. We tekken ogs from tekken 1 loved this about tekken and dont want it to get serious.
Great. You don't speak for the devs & clearly they do take themselves seriously when they want to through this big story mode's themes & 30 year old franchised chars. They've also asked for feedback on the writing/direction & have clearly watched this vid, since dlc chars are NOW getting story expansions for their slice of life in the main mode. "TK og's" in this comment section + my like section clearly agree with what I've factually said here, but yea, TK6 & 7's main stories were "campy." & didn't effect chars in big ways that affect future storytelling. (Devil Reina)
Also said char episodes exist, so you can commit to the consistent humor and still let the main story stay consistent w/ how chars interact with each other in progressive ways that they've established in older titles. (Even trying to improve what would benefit their content)
@@NapBlack oh yeah? They made those char episodes because of you less than 2k video? And yes i dont speak for the devs or tekken team. I speak for fans, we love our goofy cringe franchise its the only one of its kind this is left in 2023. and dont want people to meddle with it, we love the cringe shonen direction its taking. Bro you said yourself that you are new to this, so appreciate it the way it was intended and not the way you wanted it to be intended. Then i will listen to your criticism.
@younes9745 Firstly, it's quality, not quantity, that makes the difference. (My Likes/dislikes & in story content that could be improved to better sell their ideas like Jin's char arc or what's fundamentally flawed like not using society or actual TK chars that lost a lot from Jin's actions like Eddy/Miguel. Or DLC chars never having visual story content to move them forward) They've made the char episodes to embrace TK's campy nature. I never said it shouldn't exist; I said that you can embrace that in the char episodes separately & still let the main story do what it needs to do (like T7). (1/2)
@younes9745 Yea, T7 was my first real TK game, & I looked up the story & played older TK games/ looked up the chars afterward. Like any franchise, you do lose interest in the story, as TK's issue is the lack of consistent progress on its chars. If not that, then there's thinking how new ideas clash with the old in damaging ways. I shouldn't have to dumb myself down & not be diplomatically critical in what could be improved upon which is easier to pinpoint in TK because of how much content is there to improve char interactions in the main game. Shonen content like Naruto + modern storytelling for gaming can have its chars be grounded & explore themes that progress the chars & world in consistently positive ways from a writing viewpoint. (Yes, Naruto isn't perfect for clarity, but the chars do work in a lot of ways. Villains having a motivation that the viewer/reader can understand with the context there) (2/3)
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My twitter below & thanks for watching this. My views of the chars' gameplay don't reflect the story utility like Hei, Kaz, etc:
x.com/NapBlack/status/1752892687689163214?s=20
Potentially might shift my criticisms a bit on the side characters part, since the world war addition from a gameplay lens showcases the context of characters having their own usage to progress the plot in practical ways.
@NapBlack Moscuwed.
@kendonl.taylor5111 I hate that I laughed at that lol. 💀💥⚡️💪
Im Honestly Disappointed that Jun *DIDN'T* Disown Jin from the entire Kazama Bloodline, And face my boy Kazaya herself.
It would have Not changed anything, But at least it would have served some kind of Permanent Consequence for Jin.
This story broke me. At most I'll talk about the chars here & there if I feel like it, but this story kind of took away my interest & investment in the material.
It's dishonest in how it was executed. Was excited too.
@@NapBlack I don't blame you for feeling that way, But I'm going to try and be optimistic for the future. Who knows maybe Tekken 9 will be Good.
Tekken has a good story, but bad storytelling. good vid
Yea. Great ideas all around but the execution. Thanks for watching.
Namco& HARADA just decided to permanently KiLL the lore of the intere Tekken Franchise 😢😭
It’s a shame… I thought with Tekken 7 the idea was to finally starting uncover and resolve all the plotholes of the storyline, Tekken8 made a total dogshit U-Turn ☹️
T8 story mode is what happens when a lazy fandom just accepts whatever slop the series gives them. Outside of spectacle, I can’t see anything enjoyable here. If this is the direction that a 30-year old franchise will take, then fans deserve better, not to be content with mediocrity. Tekken’s story has been better, and unless fans care more than not all, Tekken’s story WON’T be better.
Very well said. By itself, you'll have fun. For a 30 year old franchise, it's really unsatisfying.
Definitely dont get why Azucena and Leo were the best they could do as a secondary special character intro. I get she's supposed to be easygoing and passionate about coffee. But at the fate of the world? Makes her seem callous, dumb, and psychopathic.
Agreed. A lot of people seem to have enjoyed that style of characterization for Azu during the war, but it does, in fact, make her a moronic nut case. Weird how her bio is supposed to be a mix of passionately campy, but still Intelligent enough to finish school, learn how to dance & run a recognizable business, yet she's an idiot in the story mode.
“So Azucena, why’d you join the bonafide devil that wants to bend the world to his will?”
“Muh marketing!”
@@NapBlackHonest opinion, the azucena in the story mode seems like a completely different person than the azucena in the character's ending. And prefer the character ending.
Don't know why I never responded? Apologies and I agree with your opinion. Wild how she's a completely different character in the character ending.
Still wanna know why when Jin and Kazuya punch the devil triggers off each other, does Kazuya's pants and shoes turn white
He was wearing black pants before, right? Prob for the Yakuza design reference, but that's about as generous as I'll get w/ that head canon
@@NapBlack Yes he has the black pants from the default outfit and his suit pants are only ever shown black, until then. However there is a shirtless black variant of it in customization used for Arcade quest rather than Story.
As if Jin purified his pants and shoes somehow.
Wow, now I like to see an analysis of Tekken 4 story of yours, but its up to you. Great video.
This story broke me. I no longer look at TEKKEN for its narrative or char potential. Was balanced with that + the gameplay, but not anymore. Only the gameplay
Thanks for your interest & support on this vid still. People really enjoyed this overall, but T8's writing actually broke me.
@@NapBlack The only salvation to this franchise is to bring back the T4 writing team and let them make an Alt timeline right after T4.
Late in saying this, but franchises can always learn from its mistakes and strive for more if they're hungry and have the opportunity. One advantage is that TK is old, so there's probably some hidden old stuff that can be re-introduced or used as inspiration to improve or challenge current char dynamics. (DLC story extensions will be present, as we all know)
Spider-man does this to this day regarding the "aggressive" Black suit/Symbiote arc that was popular in the 90's cartoon due that "aggressive" trait that was new and original at the time. This was later used in future projects by numerous writers/directors and has been a mainstay ever since
Few characters in media (from what I know) that a have similar arc for Jin with a convincing journey:
Shayera hol (Hawkgirl) :
Justice League Season 1 & 2 or watch the 3 part season 2 finale => Starcrossed
Justice League Unlimited Season 1 Episodes => The Return & Wake the Dead
JLU Season 2 Episodes => Clash & Hunter's moon
(RUclipsr => J's reviews has a story review & analysis playlist with timestamps on all of this Justice league material if you want immediate info)
Sasuke Uchiha's Shippuden storyline (Naruto) & the events for him after the 4th Shinobi World War.
(For a Sasuke Uchiha intro, YT creator "Swagkage" is a good source for summaries if you haven't seen Naruto?)
Wanda/Vision has the concept of society fearing Wanda as the "aggressor/monster" but she doesn't learn the story's lesson in living with what she's done, as her intentions scarred those around her & society will never get renewed since they're all background characters. The writers were unorganized with it
so much truth you have said, i need you to do some sort of fixed story video! Great video!
Not sure if that's within my range. I did that for Josie, Bruce & Kuma, but that was a smaller scale compared to this bigger story.
Not what I'd personally do, but I do appreciate the interest in this vid
As a long time Asuka fan and such, I am no longer frustrated by her lack of involvement. I've been channeling that more into Jun despite being so much "important and better", and "good". She sounds so- like she doesn't exist but I'm supposed to act like she does.
Beyond that, I agree with nearly everything in the video as someone who played the story, skipped certain cutscenes that made Jin seem like a total Mary sue and whatever Jun is.
That's brave for you to be open about Jun since she's a fan fav character.
It's funny how you'd think that Jun would've been more involved, like from the trailers, yet they intend to showcase that for the next game
@@NapBlack If people get pissy, I say bring it on. I'm standing my ground.
@NapBlack I think Miguel's outcome in Tekken 7 did occur after the main story, I mean Jin is now wearing his default costume.
That main T7 costume was never canon. After his T6 suit, he wore that souq clothing & from there, he wore his post credit clothes that was more or less TEKKEN blood vengeance inspired. (That's not in 8 either, but T8 is a 6 month timeskip from 7's events).
Point is that Jin's T7 fit is like his T8 announcement trailer karate fit that he didn't wear in the main T8 story. Not canon, but it's available in the game for fans to use.
Namco& HARADA just decided to permanently KiLL the lore of the intere Tekken Franchise 😢😭
I won't say that. More of a tsukuyomi that I've seen already & even the opportunities to explore new ideas to payoff canon gets muddied cause of a lack of focus from prior events or dishonest foundation that hinders the potential.
@@NapBlack in tekken 7 we've started to see a sort of path for trying to set finally a little order in the storyline and resolving several plotholes... they got AKUMA from another franchise trying to finally make EPIC THE TEKKEN STORYLINE 🙄
but in TEKKEN8 . . .maybe you are right, they've just simple decided of NOT GIVING A SHIT 😂
Honestly, the ending for this game kinda confirmed that Tekken 4 was the peak of Tekken's canon story, as its finale was essentially a carbon copy of that (Kazuya trying to get more powerful Jin gaining control of his devil form, Jun's spirit convincing him to spare Kazuya, even the hint towards Angel Jin).
@@shahzebhasan9995 Man.....that doesn't mean they should strive for less in tiring, frustrating ways. Regarding the execution, not the foundation for clarity.
People care.
yakuza reference was briliant
Hahaha, thanks. More power to what they set up in the story mode.
@@NapBlack maybe it was i hint
@@NapBlack to be honest i stopped caring about the story after 6 so if you treat this like a meaningless anime episode it works
@RAIN_2001 If the TK team holds it to a high standard & are in charge of managing the stuff that they founded, then I'm well within my right to seek out what worked, didn't work, what could've improved & what was missed/flawed from established content as the two of us are consumers.
They're developers , so our perspectives are allowed to be lenient if we choose to dumb ourselves down, but by that point, I'd be lowering my standards. You lose consumers & their investment by that point.
@@NapBlack fair enogh :3
Tekken story isn't masterpiece by any means, but i always found the lore in the earlier games interesting and there are amazing and wholesome moments with characters, however i think the writers and Harada has made the story worse. Most character are stuck in same situation in each and don't progress while Mishimas get the spotlight.
Tekken 6 was the worst character assassination for Jin
Tekken 7 tries to twist morality and make us sympathise with Heihachi due to Harada's bias while weakening Kazuya's story. Heihachi has done nothing to earn any sympathy so that bullshit didn't work. Oddly, i find Kazuya more easier to sympathise with due to trauma and suffering he faced as a child because of his father which led him took dark path. Its insane to me that Harada wants us sympathise with literal child abuser because his son "might be devil" when Heihachi is the one causing them to happen while trying to paint Kazuya as generic evil villain as possible. Sure, Kazuya was never a good person and was motivated by revenge and power, but he used to have more humanity and nuance to him.
Also, yeah Jin's redemption is ambitious, but kinda doesn't feel genuine to me.
Agreed yea. The story was sincere with what it wanted to do up until a certain point. ("Good story with bad storytelling" as one of commenters share)
It's more of a Tsukuyomi That you've seen already. At first Glance you'll raise an eyebrow when I say, "the Mishimas are butchered in the writing." & then you'd have to look at the diff recent games from 6 to 8 & see that it's so warped how Kaz may have been very sympathetic with potential there in the lore, but that gets sent to the trash to rehash the idea w/ Hei & Jin in less satisfying ways that don't do their characters meaningful favours due to dishonesty or a flawed execution.
Thanks for commenting.
@@NapBlack No problem. This video was great watch and i agree with you wholeheartedly about Tekken 8 story. They really should've leaned in more to show consequences of Jin's actions by having people still hate him for what he did(and have Miguel and Eddy be there), but they kinda gloss over his atrocities to sell the idea of him being Hope of humanity. When thinking about good redemptions arcs like Cecil Harvey's, Luke fon Fabre's and John Marston, etc. Jin's redemption arc feels like wasted potential and that Jin got off bit too easy.
It's so funny how Jin's char arc is a mirror to Wanda's story from Wanda/Vision in some ways. Those writers did a decent job in showing how public opinion wasn't in her favour by the end of the story & earlier on, their free will was taken from them & living fake lives. Wanda's char execution was a flop though since she didn't learn the story's lesson of being accountable for your actions, as they carry consequences that can be scarring for those involved.
For Jin, having supporting chars would've been more believable if you did in fact mix that with secondary TK chars that were casualties of the T6 war in addition to society. How you have a TK tourney held by Kaz & don't have him exploit Jin's unpopular reputation after that NY debate w/ a whole crowd of people that felt Jin's wrath, alongside an announcer that has to give char summaries for said people is beyond me.
For FG chars, I have an easier time supporting Scorpion & Siegfried than Jin in this case.
@@NapBlack Damn, i forgot to mention Scorpion and Siegfried 😅 I find it more easier sympathise with Siegfried than Jin because he didn't got off easily, he suffered because of his actions and some still hate him as formerly being Nightmare, heck Taki wanted to eliminate him and yet i find Siegfried's redemption more believable.
Soul Calibur fans got robbed, but they did have more consistent chars. The writing respects both its intended themes & the chars involved.
The quality of the story went downhill after Tekken 4. So, I’m not surprised by the outcome.
Yea😔. There are things I like about it & they seem to have watched this video since DLC characters are getting a story update at least
Fighting game devs aren't required to put one in since it's not only more expensive with the evolving gaming graphics but also realizing the fans genuinely mock their capabilities in the writing. (With no follow-up to openly say what could be done, like in this video)
It doesn't help that this story has such a great opener, but it's not paid off compellingly through the runtime.
@NapBlack @10:14 Arghhh, You got Shin Devil Kazuya's face too close.
"I may have gone too far in a few places..." - George Lucas
The duck laugh ☠️
Was a fun addition lol. Thanks for watching.
I'll just say this without tryna watch the vid
Trying to make sense of tekkens story is like trying to make sense of DBZ
Sometimes u just gotta turn off ur brain and enjoy
If the tk team is asking for feedback with the direction & care about the stuff they've setup & have attempted to make a high budget story mode with established criticisms for T7 into account, this vid is a follow up with that thought process:
What I like / dislike & in universe criticisms to improve the themes of the story & consistency for better char interactions.
"Tekken has a good story, but bad storytelling," as one of my commenters pointed out (1/2)
@@NapBlack oh i totally agree
I think tekken 8s story is servicable but just that
Nothing too special but compared to 7 its better
Harada announcing that they wanted to showcase DLC characters for the main story mode to show their slice of life for free didn't come from nowhere because I sent this to the team to watch this & and criticize that Miguel/Eddy not being in the story hurts both the theme of "breaking the chain," & Jin's attempted char arc. Miguel, forever not having real family loss closure, is saddening cause him being DLC means there's nothing besides special intros if we use T7's dlc structure.
Kaz is also butchered cause you really can't setup that there is good in him cause of his TK history/bodycount, his T7's char assassination & T8's content all around. I suggested that they kill Jun in T9 since she's the only person that cared for him & Kaz could open up, realizing he could fight for someone that was genuine than for his shallow, selfish desire for destined chaos (I also made fun of how he's very inconsistent with his goals/ attempts at being a consistent villain cause it's that easy to do)
@PodClips213 Also said that in isolation, you'll have fun with T8, like T7 & said it was improved from T7
@@NapBlack dont get me started on the retcon of Kazuyas true devil form
In T7 he had it outta nowhere
Then in T8 he suddenly needed Azazel to achieve it
A retcon between the two titles is crazy
Tekken is self conscious and laughs about it.
This is not ghost of tsushima man. We tekken ogs from tekken 1 loved this about tekken and dont want it to get serious.
Great. You don't speak for the devs & clearly they do take themselves seriously when they want to through this big story mode's themes & 30 year old franchised chars. They've also asked for feedback on the writing/direction & have clearly watched this vid, since dlc chars are NOW getting story expansions for their slice of life in the main mode.
"TK og's" in this comment section + my like section clearly agree with what I've factually said here, but yea, TK6 & 7's main stories were "campy." & didn't effect chars in big ways that affect future storytelling. (Devil Reina)
Also said char episodes exist, so you can commit to the consistent humor and still let the main story stay consistent w/ how chars interact with each other in progressive ways that they've established in older titles. (Even trying to improve what would benefit their content)
@@NapBlack oh yeah? They made those char episodes because of you less than 2k video?
And yes i dont speak for the devs or tekken team. I speak for fans, we love our goofy cringe franchise its the only one of its kind this is left in 2023.
and dont want people to meddle with it, we love the cringe shonen direction its taking.
Bro you said yourself that you are new to this, so appreciate it the way it was intended and not the way you wanted it to be intended. Then i will listen to your criticism.
@younes9745 Firstly, it's quality, not quantity, that makes the difference.
(My Likes/dislikes & in story content that could be improved to better sell their ideas like Jin's char arc or what's fundamentally flawed like not using society or actual TK chars that lost a lot from Jin's actions like Eddy/Miguel. Or DLC chars never having visual story content to move them forward)
They've made the char episodes to embrace TK's campy nature. I never said it shouldn't exist; I said that you can embrace that in the char episodes separately & still let the main story do what it needs to do (like T7).
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@younes9745 Yea, T7 was my first real TK game, & I looked up the story & played older TK games/ looked up the chars afterward. Like any franchise, you do lose interest in the story, as TK's issue is the lack of consistent progress on its chars. If not that, then there's thinking how new ideas clash with the old in damaging ways. I shouldn't have to dumb myself down & not be diplomatically critical in what could be improved upon which is easier to pinpoint in TK because of how much content is there to improve char interactions in the main game.
Shonen content like Naruto + modern storytelling for gaming can have its chars be grounded & explore themes that progress the chars & world in consistently positive ways from a writing viewpoint. (Yes, Naruto isn't perfect for clarity, but the chars do work in a lot of ways. Villains having a motivation that the viewer/reader can understand with the context there)
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