The great thing about this episode is, yes, Simon is very different. Because he's _in his element_ for the first time. The rest of the series, he's been a fugitive trying to lay low or be peripherally involved in sneaky criming, and that just ain't his thing, by either inclination or training. He doesn't know WTF he's doing or WTF is going on, and it shows. Constantly. But he was a top surgeon at a top hospital, from a well-placed and rich family. Knowing how things work in a core system hospital? Knowing what's medically going on with a random person just out of surgery? Dealing with a piddling little random cop in a hospital security ward? For most of his life, he's _been_ the high and powerful person in these situations, and he knows _exactly_ how they work and what he's doing in them. For the first time, we get to see the person he was before he threw it all away in desperation to help his sister.
Yes!! He looked badass as hell!! And even Jayne admitted that Simon had a great plan! That scene was very cool, i love serious Simon ☺️ he has been portrayed as being a little lost and overwhelmed a lot but like you said, when it comes to what he knows, well, he KNOWSS.
It's a common belief that Jayne would have been dead, but then he accepted he was going to die, he stopped making excuses, and his last words were that he didn't want the crew to know what he did. That gave Mal hope that Jayne knew he'd done wrong, and had learned from this and would now think of the Tams as actual crew rather than fugitives and passengers. He knows Mal will be watching, and he's probably well aware that this was his one pass, if he screws up again, he's gone.
Yeah . . . that's the most I would say about Jayne: he has some pride. Unlike other commenters I don't see any sign that Jayne improves morally over the course of the show. He's still a rat, he just learns Mal won't tolerate betrayal. All the sympathetic analysis of Jayne's precious soul on these pages just indicates how much young male SF fan bros like tough guys with big guns.
LOL i mean... yeah hahaha I love Jayne though, but he is looking after himself. He doesn't give the vibe that he will change, he'll simply adjust to be sure that he doesn't get kicked out. For me, as i said in another comment, he seems to be on survival mode way more than other crew member, as if he thinks the crew could leave him behind at any point and so he needs to be prepare for it. I dont think he is grasping the CREW part at all.
There was a hidden reason River slashed Jayne. With the premature cancellation, major storylines could not be explored. The "Big Bad" in the Firefly 'Verse is the Blue Sun Corporation. Blue Sun is a mega-conglomerate that makes basically everything and has become more powerful than even the Alliance government (note how the "Hands of Blue" guys were unconcerned with killing government agents). You see their logos here and there around the show, usually in the background. For example, the "Cry Baby" coffee can in the original episode was labeled "Blue Sun". The show implies (e.g. "two by two, hands of blue") that the Blue Sun Corporation was behind River's torture at the Academy. So why did River slash Jayne? Look at the shirt he was wearing...it was a T-Shirt with the Blue Sun logo. Remember when River in "Shindig" episode was tearing off can food labels? The idea is that those were also labeled "Blue Sun". River was looking to get rid of the Blue Sun logo, it just happened to be on a shirt Jayne was wearing.
Ahh yess i do remember people telling me about the Blue Sun corp and told me that River tored the can label because it was Blue Sun! I did not noticed Jayne shirt in this one though :O thank you for telling me! I am guessing that it is not known by the general public that Blue Sun does shady shit like that or is that powerful? I love that hidden stuff. What a shame that nothing could have been look into more. That is something that i would never have known without you guys telling me. It gives another layer and more perspective!!
There were rumors, back in the '60's , conspiracy theories, that the US government was a front for the Coca-Cola Company. Not sure how seriously they were believed, but they were out there. Blue Sun ( actually Blue Sun Cola, if you read the labels clearly enough) fills that role here...
This is my favorite episode of all because of exactly what you brought up: that exchange between Mal and Jayne at the end. It was such good acting. I also like this because of how it refines Jayne's character. A lot of people seem to conclude that his motivations were purely for money, but I don't agree with that. I feel like Jayne really gained a greater sense of family and loyalty after joining the Firefly crew, as we see in the previous episode when it takes not just the offer of a fair cut of the profits but also his own bunk before he betrays his former crew. While he has been more cavalier in betraying his crew in the past, as Jaynestown shows, I believe he was attracted to the sense of being part of a family on Mal's crew. While he was predisposed to hate Simon and, by extension, River, I think his hatred was justified, given his personality, since Simon put the crew in danger without disclosing to them that they would be harboring a fugitive and then by using Kaylee's life after she was shot as a bargaining point when he demanded they put themselves in even more danger. Simon really made some dick moves in forcing his problems onto them, and while Mal and the rest of the crew were more forgiving, Jayne isn't just blindly sympathetic for sympathy's sake and rightly concluded that they were dangerous to him and everyone else and, in his estimation, not worth the trouble. Couple that hatred with River's unhinged attack and you basically get the straw that breaks the camel's back. He complained, justifiably so, to the captain and got nothing but rebuke. Since he didn't witness the captain's ultimatum to Simon afterward, that would have left him feeling like the captain was favoring the Tams over him and would probably erode his sense of family and belonging. It's obvious Jayne didn't think of this as a betrayal of the crew. He probably looked at it as protection of his found family, something that the captain might be grateful for later. I think that, even more than the profit motive, went into his betrayal. He would have had a lot of chances to betray the Tams prior to that and didn't take them. His wish to rid them of the Tams isn't bad in and of itself. He would solve a lot of the crew's problems by getting rid of them, problems that the crew had forced upon them. But his plan was stupid and probably a bit skewed by greed with the reward. Even if you sympathize with his actions, they were stupid. As Mal pointed out, he was going to get pinched anyway, and if he really wanted to betray the Tams there were other ways to do it that would have worked better. In the end, I consider Jayne to be the most interesting character on the show, because the motives that he seems to present up front are presented as simple but are far more complex when you dig into them, without resorting to hidden backstories like Book or Inara.
We don't find out in the series (we do get a hint or two), but what some folks don't factor in for Jayne is what he's doing with his money. If it were just a pure scumbag, I don't feel like he'd be sending so much of his earnings to his mother and siblings. If I recall correctly, it was their family's lack of being able to afford expensive medication that got him looking off planet for income to begin with. Is he an angel? Of course not. Not caring about others because they're not family isn't great, but his demonstrated caring for his family (and I'd argue he sees the crew as family by the end of things) shows at least some level of decency
"2 by 2, hands of blue." After "The Hero of Canton, the Man They Call Jayne!", now he's someone that would prefer to think well of himself. If he didn't much care previously. Next up, does he learn his lesson? Simon did look impressive, and there's more insight into River's condition. Can he actually think of them as part of the crew? Thanks, Miles, for another lovely reaction to one of my favorite shows.
I like that you’re open to the possibility of Jayne learning from his betrayal and Mal’s confrontation. Will he change his attitude? Will he become yet another enemy? Only time will tell, but one thing is sure. In a ship full of heroic and noble characters, Jayne was written from day one to inevitably betray the crew in some way. They needed a loose cannon whilst they amassed an array of enemies, and amass them they have. Badger Patience Wing Nisska Saffron Haymer The Alliance The Reavers The Blue Hands dudes. and the season isn’t even over yet. Jayne did begin to puzzle over the idea of selflessness in Jaynestown, and he’s most definitely on a journey of reshaping himself, whether he likes it or not. Pay VERY close attention to what he says and does over the coming episodes. We keep learning about him as he learns about himself. He’s my favourite character in spite of his crass nature. It’s his flaws and clear differences to Mal that make him interesting. It’d be interesting to see a spinoff show of Jayne.
You might try to look for "Caprica." In the first episode, if I recall correctly, the good ship Serenity makes a rather weird momentary appearance in the skies over the city. "Caprica" was a sort of prequel of Battlestar Galactica. Sadly, it didn't make it to completion.
Awww, a brown "coat" for the browncoats, I like it! "Please don't do anything stupid Jayne." oh here we go. Loved your reaction when Jayne did it. I don't think anyone really ever expects him to sell people out like that. We know he's gonna do something dumb at some point, but not that bad. Great setup, great lighting, love it :) Can't wait for more!
@@JustsMyles15 Yeah! I was always expecting him to steal some money from a job or something like that. Not turn people in to the Feds! And as you say, you never know when it'll happen either.
The "Look away" reflex you had, only to look at the laptop screen got a good chuckle out of me. 😅 The reaction was for sure worth the wait. I use the same setup at home, I have my laptop HDMI fed into my 52" flatscreen. Great for gaming, or TV. Keep in mind, that once you finish the series, you gotta watch the movie! "Serenity" ties up as many loose ends as they can in 2~ish hours of runtime. So don't write the reactions off as complete until you watch it!
One thing to pay attention to is the random stuff that River says - it usually makes sense in terms of the story, though not obvious until afterwards; "they come when you call" and "I don't want to go back" => the "two by two, hands of blue" guys are coming to take her back; "they took Christmas away" etc => Jayne isn't getting his presents ie reward money...
Sorry you were sick for several days. I hope you continue to feel better. Awesome reaction. You are freaking awesome. You bring so much joy to your reactions. See you in the next one.
For the algorithm gods!😅 Glad to hear your doing well! Drink plenty of vitamin C! This is the episode we needed from Jayne, just for his growth perspective. The fact you brought Jake Peralta made me think of how comical some of these scenes would be with him in it lol just with his jokester vibe would have been the perfect counter to the hands of blue guys lol
haha!! Those gus would have been wayyy less creepier with a funny Peralta in it for sure! I loved this episode. You guys were right to say that it is getting better and better. I am disapointed in Jayne, but at the same time, it was pretty clear from the start that he would be the type to do so! But i love him; they didn't make him to be the big crazy guy like other show would do. He still have depth to his character.
I enjoy your reactions SO much. You're cute, charismatic, and self confident, all attractive traits! :) Oh, and the glasses are nice, too! After Firefly and the movie, maybe you could watch some other sci-fi greats or lesser reacted shows? Like HBO's Rome, or Farscape? Or Star Trek: The Next Generation (you can definitely skip ST: TOS!).
Yes would love it if you would watch _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ ! It is the most popular and well written of the _Star Trek_ franchise and has an enormous fandom here on YT.
@@seanmcmurphy4744 I like DS9 more. It's much more consistently well written, but TNG is sort of a prerequisite. And it's great right from the beginning, so you don't have to wait till season 4.
I can definitely add it to my list!! My dad is a fan of the 87 version :) I'm sure he watched the original one too but i remember the 87-96 playing in the background at his house constantly! Never took the time to actually watch it though. I could do the Next Generation if that's the one you want me to watch, i can go backwards after too xD As for HBO Rome and Farscape i can check it out! i do not have HBO atm but i can look into throughout 2026 for sure:) I have no clue what they are hahah PS: thank you for your compliments hihihi
I agree with @Christobanistan that DS9 is better. I love how much they were able to develop the secondary characters in the show. But I disagree that TNG is great from the start. I don't think it really comes into its own until the 3rd season.
"They come when you call." "I don't want to go back." She knew the Blue Hands guys were coming to take her back. Never explained: Jayne was wearing a Blue Sun shirt, the corporate end of The Alliance. Bioluminescent pools are pools lit by living organisms that create their own light.
Your coat, it's kind of a brownish colour. Welcome to the Browncoat's! also I really enjoy the upbeat background music you have when you're speaking. Keep up the good work!
Сразу, пока не забыл, маленький, не обязательный, но хороший совет - не смотрите ретроспективу перед эпизодами 10 и 11. В них будет некоторый спойлер к событиям эпизода. Как в этом эпизоде после ретроспективы вы догадались что будет возвращение "hands of blue", так и в 10 и 11 эпизодах там будет некоторые намёки на сюжет эпизода. И если для 10 эпизода это не так важно, то для 11 эпизода это испортит небольшой, но приятный твист. А теперь основная часть) 1. Отличная эмоциональная реакция, на эмоциональный эпизод😊 2. Прекрасное появление очаровательного мехового шара в конце реакции)) 3. Как обычно, этот эпизод всегда вызывает массу споров и обсуждений. Уидон хорош😀 4. Не знаю, заметили ли вы, но в этом эпизоде можно считать окончательно "научно" установленным факт наличия у Ривер экстрасенсорных способностей. На 18.17 когда Джейн говорит "планы изменились" и о "заднем дворе". Голограмма мозга Ривер показывает всплеск мозговой активности и эта активность окрашена в красный, что символизирует страх и тревогу. То есть, Ривер каким то сверхъестественным образом поняла, что эти слова Джейн несут угрозу и это зафиксировал сканер. 5. Говоря о Джейн и его личности многие упускают некоторые факты ошибочно (по моему мнению, конечно)) ) трактуя его личность. Во-первых, Джейн верен команде. До определённых границ, разумеется. Если встанет совершенно неизбежный выбор между Джейном и другим человеком он, конечно, выберет себя. Не только ради себя самого, но и по другой причине, об этом позднее. Но, пока есть хоть малейший шанс выжить, он будет верен и лоялен команде Серенити и его капитану. И тем более не предаст за какие-то деньги. Вот только Бук, Инара и оба Тема для Джейна НЕ команда. Они для него пассажиры. Чёртов проблемный груз. Такой же, как коровы, например. Только от коров экипажу гораздо меньше проблем и гораздо больше выгоды. Достаточно просто сравнить реакцию Джейна на ранение Кейли, когда он глубоко переживая следит за операцией кусая ногти и его реакцию на ранение Бука - "Ты взял деньги?". А про Саймона он в Джейнтауне прямо, ясно и открыто говорит отвечая Стичу - "Это не мой парень". Команда для Джейна это Мэл, Уош, Зои и Кейли. И никого из них он не предавал. По его мнению, конечно. И финальный диалог Мела и Джейн он буквально об этом. Когда, Джейн совершенно искренне не понимает, почему Мел так зол на него, ведь он всего лишь хотел избавится от проблемного груза. И Мел, прекрасно понимает это. В его словах ни малейшего сомнения в личной преданности Джейна. Всё что он хочет, и это сказано также прямо и чётко, чтобы Джейн понял, что личная преданность Джейн должна касаться и "пассажиров" потому что они тоже теперь часть команды. Это именно тот "концепт" который хотел донести Мел. И кнопку Мел нажал, потому что понял что Джейн может усвоить этот концепт и мнение команды для него реально важно. Он хорошо знал суть Джейна. И кстати, именно потому что Мел уверен в личной преданность Джейна, он так равнодушно отнёсся к ранению Джейна. Потому что был уверен, что против него Джейн всё равно не пойдёт. Что конечно не правильное действие, как капитана. Я думаю, следующий эпизод окончательно закроет тему верности Джейна) P.S. Извините за много букв))
I don't know why but most people come away hating Jayne! They seem to forget that River came VERY close to killing Jayne. She missed his carotid artery by just a few inches, which would be a very fast death!! Anyway, as always, love watching your reactions. I'll be tuning in for the others. As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
What ??!! I would never hate Jayne. He can be really funny and we need him. Yeah, he can be a pain and he is to be watched at all time lOL but it's okay, everybody knows that and can work around it! Those people dont know what they are talking about 😝😝 Ans thank you for your support!! 🥰
Jayne did not consider Simon and River part of the crew, but Mal did. Since the first episode Mal knew that Jayne would turn on him if the money was good enough. Like you, Mal is hoping Jayne has learned his lesson.
" Don't tell 'em what I did." Jayne CAN feel shame about something he did. Selling out your team is someting that violates the "mercenary's code." Mal is willing to give him a second chance...
Yeah, he is doing everything for himself or almost everything, but it doesnt mean he doesnt have feelings! He still protected River and Simon when they escaped from the Feds, he could have run out if he really 100% didnt care! He is still a loose canon, and wouldnt trust him though 😝
Battlestar Galactica was my favorite sci-fi show of all time...until I finished the third season of The Expanse, when The Expanse became not only my favorite sci-fi show, but my my favorite TV show of all time. Hope you get to The Expanse at some point!
I am planning on doing both!! But The Expanse will be later on, maybe in Spring/summer depending on other shows (i do want to react to TLOU season 2 but i have no clue when it's coming out 😱)
"Ariel": Simon reveals his criminal mastermind side... Note Summer has been over for some time, but "Gravity Falls" is a great Y7 animated series with a deep/fanatic fan base, that rivals the "Firefly" Browncoat army.;)
Yea....before jumping into the whole Battlestar Galactica universe, you need to set yourself a plan...Old, new, series, mini-series. The only thing I would suggest, is ensure the "timeline" of whatever you do is correct. There's nothing worse in a rabbit hole than being not at the opening. ;-) Imagine doing episode 2 or 3 of Firefly without having watched them is correct order, understand my point. Anyways, all the best. Cheers.
From what people have told me, and from what i can see online (not doing too much research online because i am too scared of seeing spoilers!!), it is the mini serie first, then the 2004 version, at least the first season but then i can watch the older version for perspective before continuing 🧐
LOL yeah and he is not used to improvise in that matter! Totally understandable! I wouldnt know what to say about mud either 😆 He looked very cool in this episode i must say 😏
It’s true that Jayne betrayed the crew and sure, we can be mad at him, but I always considered this a huge ball drop on Mal’s part. This wasn’t just a casual betrayal, Jayne wasn’t just acting out of greed. River attacked him with a knife and for all his talk of, “you’re my crew,” Mal didn’t come to Jayne’s defense at all. This is the one time I think Mal really failed as a captain and I think Jayne did what he did in part because he felt betrayed.
I totally understand why he would turn on simon ans river! They are indees causing trouble and Jaybe doesnt see them as part of the crew. Mal did talk to Simon but Jayne wasnt in the room. I do agree with you that Mal should have said something to Jayne or in front of Jayne that shows that he is not happy of the situation and River will have consequences!
And they didnt even know it was medicine!! But i thought maybe something bad would happen in the hospital and they would end up needing the medication right away and then it would be the inner battle of "argh are we really going to give back to gouvernment facilities" ! That was my personal unsaid guess at the time hahah!! I was wrong 😝
In Jayne's defense... River had just *_slashed him across the chest with a knife without provocation_* , and Mal had just told him that he had no intention of doing anything about it. (Jayne doesn't know about the conversation Mal had with Simon about River being confined to her room.) At that point, Jayne has to at least consider taking action just in self-defense. Jayne's been saying all along that the Tams are too dangerous to have aboard, and honestly, he's kinda not wrong. In the pilot, Simon gets Kaylee shot, and then threatens to not help her as leverage to get his way. Their presence has brought the Alliance down on Serenity at least twice. River's latest instability and resulting attack are just the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, he obviously wants to get the reward rather than just killing the Tams or something, but still... he's not *_JUST_* doing it for the reward. And yes, I think he does feel conflicted about it. You can see it in his face at times before the feds arrive. After they get pinched and escape the feds, Jayne helps the Tams and brings them along with him, even though it would have been easier for him to leave them for the Hands of Blue and to escape on his own. And when Mal is going to space him, he doesn't want the rest of the crew to know what he did, because he's ashamed. Jayne's not the nicest guy in the 'Verse, it's definitely true. But he's a complicated character. Nothing with him is ever *_quite_* as simple as it seems on the surface...
He definitely have good reasons to not want Simon and River on the ship! They have been a disturbance and caused issues for sure, and Jayne doesnt like to complicate stuff! I really like Jayne. He is not just the "big crazy bad guy" like a lot of show would do. We know from the start that he has a reason doing what he does. I dont know about his backstory really yet, but it seems to me that he is in "survival mode" and cannot grasp that he actually is in a "good" place now. Yes they struggle but overall they are doing toooooo bad and to me he really gives "i could be left alone and have nothing at anytime". I dont know if i am explaining this right 😅
Okay, but to be fair, Simon took down one of the armed guards, who was back up and coming for Jayne while he took down the other guard. Jayne tried to head back twice, thinking he could fight his way out, and would have run straight into the blue hands while Simon and River got away, if the Tams hadn't delayed him long enough to make it clear that back was a bad idea. Jayne also had no idea how to get out of the hospital, but River lead them right to Mal.
Regarding Battlestar Galactica, indeed, you should watch the 1978 version, whether you react to it or not. So much of the 2003/2004 version is simply rewriting of the same things. At times I found the later version annoying for it. And, there are a few utterly direct allusions to the original better understood if you have seen the original
Thumbs down for the witless theatre kid reaction. Everyone hates on Jayne, conveniently forgetting he would have two dozen stitches. He saw himself as being helpful. All the reviewers go "oh, why doesn't he try to help"- real world, you get rid of that kind of problem by dropping it and running away. The happy hippie dippie land where self declared moral virtuosity means you'll prevail because your purity doesn't exist. WHen he knows more, he gets a bad case of regrets. I AM NOT saying he was right, they're part of his crew, but his actions are understandable.
Wait you are sayin i am a theatre kid?? LOL why is that actually true though 😝 i am very reactive when watching something which is i think the purpose of a "reactors" 😆 it's okay i am not your cup of tea! No judgement. I accept the thumbs down because it helps with your algorithm! BUT i dont feel like i hated on Jayne ?? 🤔 I actually like Jayne very much! But was i disapointed in him? yes of course! It is pretty clear from the beginning that he could betray us at anytime, but it is still disapointing! For me at least!! I dont think i ever said "why doesnt he try to help": it's Jayne. We're lucky he is even still helping and with us 😝
You mentioned more than once that the "hands of blue" guys were sent by the academy, and asked if the academy is over the Alliance. When Simon told the crew the story of how he and River became fugitives, he mentioned that the academy was run by the government. So the hands of blue guys work for the government. The same government that tortured River.
My unsolicited advice: ignore everything anyone says about Blue Sun (which I'm sure you'll see a lot). It's just as reasonable to conclude that River read Jayne's mind or his intentions or even saw the future. Head canon is the best canon. Aside from which, everyone who says that Blue Sun must be the reason is ignoring the way the story developed upon the show getting cancelled. What a show _may_ have planned and what it actually did are two different things.
River saw a future that didn't exist until *after* she slashed Jayne in the chest, prompting Simon to come up with the plan which gave Jayne the opportunity to turn them in with getting his chest slashed being a goodly portion of the motivation? Your head canon ignores the fact that the reasons for River's actions didn't exist until she carried out those actions. While the show ended, with many loose strings, the story was continued in the graphic novels. Which are official canon. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@becca1189 classic bootstrap paradox; not exactly unusual in sci fi. Anyway, I didn't say it was _my_ head canon. I do think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Jayne was thinking how sweet it would be to turn them in and collect the reward, and then she slashed him for thinking that, driving him to actually do it. I would address this particular event more, but it'd be spoiler-y. In any case, the point I will continue to defend is that the interpretation is an inseparable part of the art.
I think that it is important to note those thing happening with Blue Sun though; i wouldnt have known about that or noticed any of that without people telling me about it, and it adds another layers to everything. Not sure if it stays more like an easter egg throughout the show or if they do mention it at some point, but it is good to know! ☺️
@@adamwells9352 It may not be *your* head canon, but it's the one you're going with & if you're going to argue that one should stick to "what [the show] actually did" it would exclude the paradox since that subject was never even touched on. There's no evidence one way or the other that it's how the Firefly universe operates. If River's motivation for slashing Jayne across the chest was simply his fantasy of money for turning them in, she'd have done it long ago -- it's hardly something new. Why slash his chest if she truly felt threatened by him? She could've just as easily slashed his throat. It also doesn't explain her comment of, "He looks better in red." Personally, I love a well done paradox storyline. In this instance, however, it simply has too many holes in it for my liking. As does the "what Jayne was thinking at the time" theory. ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@becca1189 I don't understand what you mean by "it's the one I'm going with." I go with that her actions are motivated by a jumble of what's going on around her, including Jayne's scorn and the discussion of the core planets. I don't think anything else is necessary. River is clearly trapped in her own overwhelming present (which the show makes a point of in this episode) and it's perfectly reasonable to say that Jayne thought about it _right then_. But the point is not that we disagree about her motivation at this moment. The whole reason I made the original comment was just to say that reasons that don't appear on the screen do not get bonus legitimacy because they may have been planned at some point. There is no trump card over people's interpretation.
The great thing about this episode is, yes, Simon is very different. Because he's _in his element_ for the first time. The rest of the series, he's been a fugitive trying to lay low or be peripherally involved in sneaky criming, and that just ain't his thing, by either inclination or training. He doesn't know WTF he's doing or WTF is going on, and it shows. Constantly.
But he was a top surgeon at a top hospital, from a well-placed and rich family. Knowing how things work in a core system hospital? Knowing what's medically going on with a random person just out of surgery? Dealing with a piddling little random cop in a hospital security ward? For most of his life, he's _been_ the high and powerful person in these situations, and he knows _exactly_ how they work and what he's doing in them. For the first time, we get to see the person he was before he threw it all away in desperation to help his sister.
Yes!! He looked badass as hell!! And even Jayne admitted that Simon had a great plan! That scene was very cool, i love serious Simon ☺️ he has been portrayed as being a little lost and overwhelmed a lot but like you said, when it comes to what he knows, well, he KNOWSS.
It's a common belief that Jayne would have been dead, but then he accepted he was going to die, he stopped making excuses, and his last words were that he didn't want the crew to know what he did. That gave Mal hope that Jayne knew he'd done wrong, and had learned from this and would now think of the Tams as actual crew rather than fugitives and passengers. He knows Mal will be watching, and he's probably well aware that this was his one pass, if he screws up again, he's gone.
Yeah . . . that's the most I would say about Jayne: he has some pride. Unlike other commenters I don't see any sign that Jayne improves morally over the course of the show. He's still a rat, he just learns Mal won't tolerate betrayal. All the sympathetic analysis of Jayne's precious soul on these pages just indicates how much young male SF fan bros like tough guys with big guns.
LOL i mean... yeah hahaha I love Jayne though, but he is looking after himself. He doesn't give the vibe that he will change, he'll simply adjust to be sure that he doesn't get kicked out. For me, as i said in another comment, he seems to be on survival mode way more than other crew member, as if he thinks the crew could leave him behind at any point and so he needs to be prepare for it. I dont think he is grasping the CREW part at all.
@@seanmcmurphy4744 heh, you calling me young?!? 🤣
@@ernesthakey3396 Heh no, no, I pretty much agree with what you said. 👍
@seanmcmurphy4744 whew! Had me worried for a moment that the old man staring back at me from the mirror was an imposter! 😉
There was a hidden reason River slashed Jayne. With the premature cancellation, major storylines could not be explored.
The "Big Bad" in the Firefly 'Verse is the Blue Sun Corporation. Blue Sun is a mega-conglomerate that makes basically everything and has become more powerful than even the Alliance government (note how the "Hands of Blue" guys were unconcerned with killing government agents). You see their logos here and there around the show, usually in the background. For example, the "Cry Baby" coffee can in the original episode was labeled "Blue Sun". The show implies (e.g. "two by two, hands of blue") that the Blue Sun Corporation was behind River's torture at the Academy.
So why did River slash Jayne? Look at the shirt he was wearing...it was a T-Shirt with the Blue Sun logo. Remember when River in "Shindig" episode was tearing off can food labels? The idea is that those were also labeled "Blue Sun". River was looking to get rid of the Blue Sun logo, it just happened to be on a shirt Jayne was wearing.
Unfortunately, since the show was canceled this storyline never went anywhere.
Ahh yess i do remember people telling me about the Blue Sun corp and told me that River tored the can label because it was Blue Sun! I did not noticed Jayne shirt in this one though :O thank you for telling me! I am guessing that it is not known by the general public that Blue Sun does shady shit like that or is that powerful? I love that hidden stuff. What a shame that nothing could have been look into more. That is something that i would never have known without you guys telling me. It gives another layer and more perspective!!
hey can you please put gloves on and do a reaction to the movie anaconda
There were rumors, back in the '60's , conspiracy theories, that the US government was a front for the Coca-Cola Company. Not sure how seriously they were believed, but they were out there. Blue Sun ( actually Blue Sun Cola, if you read the labels clearly enough) fills that role here...
@@JustsMyles15 It's like on our world the majority of people don't know about the WEF or Blackrock.
Mal always knows unless it's about a girl liking him back.
Hhahahah very true 😝
I appreciate that you have the enthusiasm of Kaylee and the humor of Wash. Makes for enjoyable reactions. 👍❤️
oh my! thank you! hahah!
This is my favorite episode of all because of exactly what you brought up: that exchange between Mal and Jayne at the end. It was such good acting.
I also like this because of how it refines Jayne's character. A lot of people seem to conclude that his motivations were purely for money, but I don't agree with that. I feel like Jayne really gained a greater sense of family and loyalty after joining the Firefly crew, as we see in the previous episode when it takes not just the offer of a fair cut of the profits but also his own bunk before he betrays his former crew. While he has been more cavalier in betraying his crew in the past, as Jaynestown shows, I believe he was attracted to the sense of being part of a family on Mal's crew.
While he was predisposed to hate Simon and, by extension, River, I think his hatred was justified, given his personality, since Simon put the crew in danger without disclosing to them that they would be harboring a fugitive and then by using Kaylee's life after she was shot as a bargaining point when he demanded they put themselves in even more danger. Simon really made some dick moves in forcing his problems onto them, and while Mal and the rest of the crew were more forgiving, Jayne isn't just blindly sympathetic for sympathy's sake and rightly concluded that they were dangerous to him and everyone else and, in his estimation, not worth the trouble. Couple that hatred with River's unhinged attack and you basically get the straw that breaks the camel's back. He complained, justifiably so, to the captain and got nothing but rebuke. Since he didn't witness the captain's ultimatum to Simon afterward, that would have left him feeling like the captain was favoring the Tams over him and would probably erode his sense of family and belonging.
It's obvious Jayne didn't think of this as a betrayal of the crew. He probably looked at it as protection of his found family, something that the captain might be grateful for later. I think that, even more than the profit motive, went into his betrayal. He would have had a lot of chances to betray the Tams prior to that and didn't take them. His wish to rid them of the Tams isn't bad in and of itself. He would solve a lot of the crew's problems by getting rid of them, problems that the crew had forced upon them. But his plan was stupid and probably a bit skewed by greed with the reward. Even if you sympathize with his actions, they were stupid. As Mal pointed out, he was going to get pinched anyway, and if he really wanted to betray the Tams there were other ways to do it that would have worked better.
In the end, I consider Jayne to be the most interesting character on the show, because the motives that he seems to present up front are presented as simple but are far more complex when you dig into them, without resorting to hidden backstories like Book or Inara.
We don't find out in the series (we do get a hint or two), but what some folks don't factor in for Jayne is what he's doing with his money. If it were just a pure scumbag, I don't feel like he'd be sending so much of his earnings to his mother and siblings. If I recall correctly, it was their family's lack of being able to afford expensive medication that got him looking off planet for income to begin with.
Is he an angel? Of course not. Not caring about others because they're not family isn't great, but his demonstrated caring for his family (and I'd argue he sees the crew as family by the end of things) shows at least some level of decency
"2 by 2, hands of blue."
After "The Hero of Canton, the Man They Call Jayne!", now he's someone that would prefer to think well of himself. If he didn't much care previously. Next up, does he learn his lesson?
Simon did look impressive, and there's more insight into River's condition. Can he actually think of them as part of the crew?
Thanks, Miles, for another lovely reaction to one of my favorite shows.
I like that you’re open to the possibility of Jayne learning from his betrayal and Mal’s confrontation.
Will he change his attitude? Will he become yet another enemy?
Only time will tell, but one thing is sure. In a ship full of heroic and noble characters, Jayne was written from day one to inevitably betray the crew in some way.
They needed a loose cannon whilst they amassed an array of enemies, and amass them they have.
Badger
Patience
Wing
Nisska
Saffron
Haymer
The Alliance
The Reavers
The Blue Hands dudes.
and the season isn’t even over yet.
Jayne did begin to puzzle over the idea of selflessness in Jaynestown, and he’s most definitely on a journey of reshaping himself, whether he likes it or not.
Pay VERY close attention to what he says and does over the coming episodes. We keep learning about him as he learns about himself.
He’s my favourite character in spite of his crass nature. It’s his flaws and clear differences to Mal that make him interesting.
It’d be interesting to see a spinoff show of Jayne.
The Grease reference took me by surprise but was well placed, nicely done. Keep up the good work!
Hahah 😆 the reveal and the color reminded me of Grease Lightning !! I make random connection like that 😝
@@JustsMyles15 random brain stuff is the BEST brain stuff!
You might try to look for "Caprica." In the first episode, if I recall correctly, the good ship Serenity makes a rather weird momentary appearance in the skies over the city. "Caprica" was a sort of prequel of Battlestar Galactica. Sadly, it didn't make it to completion.
Awww, a brown "coat" for the browncoats, I like it!
"Please don't do anything stupid Jayne." oh here we go.
Loved your reaction when Jayne did it. I don't think anyone really ever expects him to sell people out like that. We know he's gonna do something dumb at some point, but not that bad.
Great setup, great lighting, love it :) Can't wait for more!
The thing is that you expect it, but you dont know when it:s gonna happen 😂 so you still get shock by it
@@JustsMyles15 Yeah! I was always expecting him to steal some money from a job or something like that. Not turn people in to the Feds! And as you say, you never know when it'll happen either.
@@thebigboo5 he got pinched! Which is what happens when you call the feds... 🤣
The "Look away" reflex you had, only to look at the laptop screen got a good chuckle out of me. 😅
The reaction was for sure worth the wait. I use the same setup at home, I have my laptop HDMI fed into my 52" flatscreen. Great for gaming, or TV.
Keep in mind, that once you finish the series, you gotta watch the movie! "Serenity" ties up as many loose ends as they can in 2~ish hours of runtime. So don't write the reactions off as complete until you watch it!
hahaha i laughed at myself while editing too !!
and for the movie YEESS thank god there is a movie; i only have 5 episodes! that is way too short lol
bioluminescent: living organisms giving off light. One example would be fireflies, there are also deep sea fishes that are luminescent.
...and mold/fungi. And of course some water.
And radioactive spiders.
@@Aeroldoth3Not the water, the algae living in it.
One thing to pay attention to is the random stuff that River says - it usually makes sense in terms of the story, though not obvious until afterwards; "they come when you call" and "I don't want to go back" => the "two by two, hands of blue" guys are coming to take her back; "they took Christmas away" etc => Jayne isn't getting his presents ie reward money...
Sorry you were sick for several days. I hope you continue to feel better. Awesome reaction. You are freaking awesome. You bring so much joy to your reactions. See you in the next one.
Love your reactions. Here's a comment for the algorithm 🤠
For the algorithm gods!😅 Glad to hear your doing well! Drink plenty of vitamin C! This is the episode we needed from Jayne, just for his growth perspective. The fact you brought Jake Peralta made me think of how comical some of these scenes would be with him in it lol just with his jokester vibe would have been the perfect counter to the hands of blue guys lol
haha!! Those gus would have been wayyy less creepier with a funny Peralta in it for sure! I loved this episode. You guys were right to say that it is getting better and better. I am disapointed in Jayne, but at the same time, it was pretty clear from the start that he would be the type to do so! But i love him; they didn't make him to be the big crazy guy like other show would do. He still have depth to his character.
I love the happy piano music that plays after you see what Jayne does.
Congratulations on getting monetized. Looking forward to your reaction to the movie and Battlestar, another great series.
Jayne was lucky that Mal didn't fracture his skull when he hit him with that heavy wrench.
If you like Wash (Alan Tudyk), you have to watch his latest Sci-fi series "Resident Alien"
Cool reaction, cool outfit and like your setup. I like that Jayne learned something important.
I enjoy your reactions SO much. You're cute, charismatic, and self confident, all attractive traits! :) Oh, and the glasses are nice, too!
After Firefly and the movie, maybe you could watch some other sci-fi greats or lesser reacted shows? Like HBO's Rome, or Farscape? Or Star Trek: The Next Generation (you can definitely skip ST: TOS!).
Yes would love it if you would watch _Star Trek: The Next Generation_ ! It is the most popular and well written of the _Star Trek_ franchise and has an enormous fandom here on YT.
@@seanmcmurphy4744 I like DS9 more. It's much more consistently well written, but TNG is sort of a prerequisite. And it's great right from the beginning, so you don't have to wait till season 4.
I can definitely add it to my list!! My dad is a fan of the 87 version :) I'm sure he watched the original one too but i remember the 87-96 playing in the background at his house constantly! Never took the time to actually watch it though. I could do the Next Generation if that's the one you want me to watch, i can go backwards after too xD
As for HBO Rome and Farscape i can check it out! i do not have HBO atm but i can look into throughout 2026 for sure:) I have no clue what they are hahah
PS: thank you for your compliments hihihi
I agree with @Christobanistan that DS9 is better. I love how much they were able to develop the secondary characters in the show. But I disagree that TNG is great from the start. I don't think it really comes into its own until the 3rd season.
@@Christobanistan I think Babylon 5 would also ber a good choice. I like DS9, but B5 is on another level.
"They come when you call." "I don't want to go back." She knew the Blue Hands guys were coming to take her back.
Never explained: Jayne was wearing a Blue Sun shirt, the corporate end of The Alliance.
Bioluminescent pools are pools lit by living organisms that create their own light.
Hunting River is the Main theme of this Show.......2x2 Hands of Blue...=))
♥
Your coat, it's kind of a brownish colour. Welcome to the Browncoat's! also I really enjoy the upbeat background music you have when you're speaking. Keep up the good work!
Сразу, пока не забыл, маленький, не обязательный, но хороший совет - не смотрите ретроспективу перед эпизодами 10 и 11. В них будет некоторый спойлер к событиям эпизода. Как в этом эпизоде после ретроспективы вы догадались что будет возвращение "hands of blue", так и в 10 и 11 эпизодах там будет некоторые намёки на сюжет эпизода. И если для 10 эпизода это не так важно, то для 11 эпизода это испортит небольшой, но приятный твист.
А теперь основная часть)
1. Отличная эмоциональная реакция, на эмоциональный эпизод😊
2. Прекрасное появление очаровательного мехового шара в конце реакции))
3. Как обычно, этот эпизод всегда вызывает массу споров и обсуждений. Уидон хорош😀
4. Не знаю, заметили ли вы, но в этом эпизоде можно считать окончательно "научно" установленным факт наличия у Ривер экстрасенсорных способностей. На 18.17 когда Джейн говорит "планы изменились" и о "заднем дворе". Голограмма мозга Ривер показывает всплеск мозговой активности и эта активность окрашена в красный, что символизирует страх и тревогу. То есть, Ривер каким то сверхъестественным образом поняла, что эти слова Джейн несут угрозу и это зафиксировал сканер.
5. Говоря о Джейн и его личности многие упускают некоторые факты ошибочно (по моему мнению, конечно)) ) трактуя его личность. Во-первых, Джейн верен команде. До определённых границ, разумеется. Если встанет совершенно неизбежный выбор между Джейном и другим человеком он, конечно, выберет себя. Не только ради себя самого, но и по другой причине, об этом позднее.
Но, пока есть хоть малейший шанс выжить, он будет верен и лоялен команде Серенити и его капитану. И тем более не предаст за какие-то деньги. Вот только Бук, Инара и оба Тема для Джейна НЕ команда. Они для него пассажиры. Чёртов проблемный груз. Такой же, как коровы, например. Только от коров экипажу гораздо меньше проблем и гораздо больше выгоды.
Достаточно просто сравнить реакцию Джейна на ранение Кейли, когда он глубоко переживая следит за операцией кусая ногти и его реакцию на ранение Бука - "Ты взял деньги?". А про Саймона он в Джейнтауне прямо, ясно и открыто говорит отвечая Стичу - "Это не мой парень". Команда для Джейна это Мэл, Уош, Зои и Кейли. И никого из них он не предавал. По его мнению, конечно. И финальный диалог Мела и Джейн он буквально об этом. Когда, Джейн совершенно искренне не понимает, почему Мел так зол на него, ведь он всего лишь хотел избавится от проблемного груза.
И Мел, прекрасно понимает это. В его словах ни малейшего сомнения в личной преданности Джейна. Всё что он хочет, и это сказано также прямо и чётко, чтобы Джейн понял, что личная преданность Джейн должна касаться и "пассажиров" потому что они тоже теперь часть команды. Это именно тот "концепт" который хотел донести Мел. И кнопку Мел нажал, потому что понял что Джейн может усвоить этот концепт и мнение команды для него реально важно. Он хорошо знал суть Джейна.
И кстати, именно потому что Мел уверен в личной преданность Джейна, он так равнодушно отнёсся к ранению Джейна. Потому что был уверен, что против него Джейн всё равно не пойдёт. Что конечно не правильное действие, как капитана.
Я думаю, следующий эпизод окончательно закроет тему верности Джейна)
P.S. Извините за много букв))
Glad that you are a Browncoat now, literally!
It was on sale.
New set up is looking good!!! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
I don't know why but most people come away hating Jayne! They seem to forget that River came VERY close to killing Jayne. She missed his carotid artery by just a few inches, which would be a very fast death!!
Anyway, as always, love watching your reactions. I'll be tuning in for the others.
As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.
What ??!! I would never hate Jayne. He can be really funny and we need him. Yeah, he can be a pain and he is to be watched at all time lOL but it's okay, everybody knows that and can work around it! Those people dont know what they are talking about 😝😝
Ans thank you for your support!! 🥰
River likes Jayne torturing him is a sign of affection it’s her version of flirting.
I love your cat! It looks so much like a Rag Doll that I used to have.
hahah a rag doll?? is there cat rag doll? :O
BSG as needed.
Omg!! 😱 That is way too kind thank you!!
I dont know what BSG means though 👵😂
@@JustsMyles15 Battle Star Galactica ;-)
Oh!!! You are so sweet 😱🙈
Let's see if YT will post this
4:30 bioluminescent lake = lake that glows in the dark / lac qui brille dans le noir
23:20 "Sortie" = "exit"
EXIT!! oh god yes 😂😂 my mind was blanked i said "getaway" 😝
Jayne did not consider Simon and River part of the crew, but Mal did. Since the first episode Mal knew that Jayne would turn on him if the money was good enough. Like you, Mal is hoping Jayne has learned his lesson.
" Don't tell 'em what I did." Jayne CAN feel shame about something he did. Selling out your team is someting that violates the "mercenary's code." Mal is willing to give him a second chance...
Yeah, he is doing everything for himself or almost everything, but it doesnt mean he doesnt have feelings! He still protected River and Simon when they escaped from the Feds, he could have run out if he really 100% didnt care! He is still a loose canon, and wouldnt trust him though 😝
Battlestar Galactica was my favorite sci-fi show of all time...until I finished the third season of The Expanse, when The Expanse became not only my favorite sci-fi show, but my my favorite TV show of all time. Hope you get to The Expanse at some point!
I am planning on doing both!! But The Expanse will be later on, maybe in Spring/summer depending on other shows (i do want to react to TLOU season 2 but i have no clue when it's coming out 😱)
"Ariel": Simon reveals his criminal mastermind side...
Note Summer has been over for some time, but "Gravity Falls" is a great Y7 animated series with a deep/fanatic fan base, that rivals the "Firefly" Browncoat army.;)
You can always trust Jayne... to be Jayne.
Yea....before jumping into the whole Battlestar Galactica universe, you need to set yourself a plan...Old, new, series, mini-series.
The only thing I would suggest, is ensure the "timeline" of whatever you do is correct. There's nothing worse in a rabbit hole than being not at the opening. ;-)
Imagine doing episode 2 or 3 of Firefly without having watched them is correct order, understand my point.
Anyways, all the best.
Cheers.
From what people have told me, and from what i can see online (not doing too much research online because i am too scared of seeing spoilers!!), it is the mini serie first, then the 2004 version, at least the first season but then i can watch the older version for perspective before continuing 🧐
Simon wasn't like that in Jaynestown because he wasn't in his element. Here he's talking about medical matters, not mud.
LOL yeah and he is not used to improvise in that matter! Totally understandable! I wouldnt know what to say about mud either 😆 He looked very cool in this episode i must say 😏
12:50: Neral reaction or Neural response?
Huh? 😯
@@JustsMyles15one is what they were practicing the other is what he said in the hospital
It’s true that Jayne betrayed the crew and sure, we can be mad at him, but I always considered this a huge ball drop on Mal’s part. This wasn’t just a casual betrayal, Jayne wasn’t just acting out of greed. River attacked him with a knife and for all his talk of, “you’re my crew,” Mal didn’t come to Jayne’s defense at all. This is the one time I think Mal really failed as a captain and I think Jayne did what he did in part because he felt betrayed.
I totally understand why he would turn on simon ans river! They are indees causing trouble and Jaybe doesnt see them as part of the crew. Mal did talk to Simon but Jayne wasnt in the room. I do agree with you that Mal should have said something to Jayne or in front of Jayne that shows that he is not happy of the situation and River will have consequences!
Last time they stole medicine was NOT a core planet. Think this as Paris and that was Rwanda in 1958.
And they didnt even know it was medicine!! But i thought maybe something bad would happen in the hospital and they would end up needing the medication right away and then it would be the inner battle of "argh are we really going to give back to gouvernment facilities" ! That was my personal unsaid guess at the time hahah!! I was wrong 😝
In Jayne's defense... River had just *_slashed him across the chest with a knife without provocation_* , and Mal had just told him that he had no intention of doing anything about it. (Jayne doesn't know about the conversation Mal had with Simon about River being confined to her room.) At that point, Jayne has to at least consider taking action just in self-defense.
Jayne's been saying all along that the Tams are too dangerous to have aboard, and honestly, he's kinda not wrong. In the pilot, Simon gets Kaylee shot, and then threatens to not help her as leverage to get his way. Their presence has brought the Alliance down on Serenity at least twice. River's latest instability and resulting attack are just the straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, he obviously wants to get the reward rather than just killing the Tams or something, but still... he's not *_JUST_* doing it for the reward.
And yes, I think he does feel conflicted about it. You can see it in his face at times before the feds arrive. After they get pinched and escape the feds, Jayne helps the Tams and brings them along with him, even though it would have been easier for him to leave them for the Hands of Blue and to escape on his own. And when Mal is going to space him, he doesn't want the rest of the crew to know what he did, because he's ashamed.
Jayne's not the nicest guy in the 'Verse, it's definitely true. But he's a complicated character. Nothing with him is ever *_quite_* as simple as it seems on the surface...
He definitely have good reasons to not want Simon and River on the ship! They have been a disturbance and caused issues for sure, and Jayne doesnt like to complicate stuff! I really like Jayne. He is not just the "big crazy bad guy" like a lot of show would do. We know from the start that he has a reason doing what he does. I dont know about his backstory really yet, but it seems to me that he is in "survival mode" and cannot grasp that he actually is in a "good" place now. Yes they struggle but overall they are doing toooooo bad and to me he really gives "i could be left alone and have nothing at anytime". I dont know if i am explaining this right 😅
Okay, but to be fair, Simon took down one of the armed guards, who was back up and coming for Jayne while he took down the other guard. Jayne tried to head back twice, thinking he could fight his way out, and would have run straight into the blue hands while Simon and River got away, if the Tams hadn't delayed him long enough to make it clear that back was a bad idea. Jayne also had no idea how to get out of the hospital, but River lead them right to Mal.
Terrific reaction. Keep flying!
Just FYI: this video is not in the Firefly playlist.
😱 thank you for telling i will go add right now!
Regarding Battlestar Galactica, indeed, you should watch the 1978 version, whether you react to it or not. So much of the 2003/2004 version is simply rewriting of the same things. At times I found the later version annoying for it. And, there are a few utterly direct allusions to the original better understood if you have seen the original
Thumbs down for the witless theatre kid reaction. Everyone hates on Jayne, conveniently forgetting he would have two dozen stitches. He saw himself as being helpful. All the reviewers go "oh, why doesn't he try to help"- real world, you get rid of that kind of problem by dropping it and running away. The happy hippie dippie land where self declared moral virtuosity means you'll prevail because your purity doesn't exist. WHen he knows more, he gets a bad case of regrets. I AM NOT saying he was right, they're part of his crew, but his actions are understandable.
I bet you buy lots of "tactical gear" and wear camo on the subway.
Wait you are sayin i am a theatre kid?? LOL why is that actually true though 😝 i am very reactive when watching something which is i think the purpose of a "reactors" 😆 it's okay i am not your cup of tea! No judgement. I accept the thumbs down because it helps with your algorithm! BUT i dont feel like i hated on Jayne ?? 🤔 I actually like Jayne very much! But was i disapointed in him? yes of course! It is pretty clear from the beginning that he could betray us at anytime, but it is still disapointing! For me at least!! I dont think i ever said "why doesnt he try to help": it's Jayne. We're lucky he is even still helping and with us 😝
You can trust Jayne he's just a big teddy bear. Wait, no that's Hagrid.
You mentioned more than once that the "hands of blue" guys were sent by the academy, and asked if the academy is over the Alliance.
When Simon told the crew the story of how he and River became fugitives, he mentioned that the academy was run by the government. So the hands of blue guys work for the government. The same government that tortured River.
Yes! But i wasnt sure who overule the other at first! Not sure where the feds stood 😅
My unsolicited advice: ignore everything anyone says about Blue Sun (which I'm sure you'll see a lot). It's just as reasonable to conclude that River read Jayne's mind or his intentions or even saw the future. Head canon is the best canon.
Aside from which, everyone who says that Blue Sun must be the reason is ignoring the way the story developed upon the show getting cancelled. What a show _may_ have planned and what it actually did are two different things.
River saw a future that didn't exist until *after* she slashed Jayne in the chest, prompting Simon to come up with the plan which gave Jayne the opportunity to turn them in with getting his chest slashed being a goodly portion of the motivation? Your head canon ignores the fact that the reasons for River's actions didn't exist until she carried out those actions.
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@becca1189 classic bootstrap paradox; not exactly unusual in sci fi. Anyway, I didn't say it was _my_ head canon. I do think it's perfectly reasonable to say that Jayne was thinking how sweet it would be to turn them in and collect the reward, and then she slashed him for thinking that, driving him to actually do it. I would address this particular event more, but it'd be spoiler-y. In any case, the point I will continue to defend is that the interpretation is an inseparable part of the art.
I think that it is important to note those thing happening with Blue Sun though; i wouldnt have known about that or noticed any of that without people telling me about it, and it adds another layers to everything. Not sure if it stays more like an easter egg throughout the show or if they do mention it at some point, but it is good to know! ☺️
@@adamwells9352 It may not be *your* head canon, but it's the one you're going with & if you're going to argue that one should stick to "what [the show] actually did" it would exclude the paradox since that subject was never even touched on. There's no evidence one way or the other that it's how the Firefly universe operates.
If River's motivation for slashing Jayne across the chest was simply his fantasy of money for turning them in, she'd have done it long ago -- it's hardly something new. Why slash his chest if she truly felt threatened by him? She could've just as easily slashed his throat. It also doesn't explain her comment of, "He looks better in red."
Personally, I love a well done paradox storyline. In this instance, however, it simply has too many holes in it for my liking. As does the "what Jayne was thinking at the time" theory.
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@@becca1189 I don't understand what you mean by "it's the one I'm going with." I go with that her actions are motivated by a jumble of what's going on around her, including Jayne's scorn and the discussion of the core planets. I don't think anything else is necessary. River is clearly trapped in her own overwhelming present (which the show makes a point of in this episode) and it's perfectly reasonable to say that Jayne thought about it _right then_. But the point is not that we disagree about her motivation at this moment. The whole reason I made the original comment was just to say that reasons that don't appear on the screen do not get bonus legitimacy because they may have been planned at some point. There is no trump card over people's interpretation.