0:00 - Intro/Agree-Disagree 8:31 - Merch/Discord/Event Announcements & Q of the Week 1 14:31 - Agree-Disagree 29:35 - Marvel Strike Force Ad 31:30 - Agree-Disagree 1:12:00 - Would They Die/Survive 1:28:38 - Korra Hate 1:33:41 - TASM 2 opinions
I just bought merch for the first time because of the international shipping and I can't wait to get my hands on them. I love The podcast. It has turned one of the worst days of the week into a highlight. I love you guys and I really hope you keep doing the podcast it brings me more joy than you could imagine♥️♥️♥️
love you guys cant wait for the new sweatshirt it brought I tear to my eye to see that Alex was wearing his megaton shirt and it made me think about the older pod episodes so thank you Alex for wearing that
Fantastic 4 is my most anticipated movie of 2025. I feel like it has to be one of the best movies of that year, if Marvel plays their cards right. Also, love you guys you do so much for us .❤
@@TheEscapePodPodcast I do like the cast of fantastic for except for Pedro Pascal ask Reed Richard that role should be John Keasinski from Dr. Strange Multiverse of madness
Fan Question-Does any of the princesses have weapons or items. If merida has her bow, it is zero question. Does snow white get the dwarfs. I think that if you put them in a hunger games style, than merida would win, but if they bases and the castles than it might be belle with the entire castle including the beast and the workers. My answer will be merida
About the lions vs Jedi I think the main thing is if you kill a million lions the whole battlefield would be covered it would just be hard to move in general then also if they surrounded them it’s OV just cause the sheer numbers of bodies would crowd them not just the alive lions themselves
I feel like Elsa and Merida are the only two to stand a chance in this fight. Even then I think that Elsa impales her with an ice spear after splitting her arrow in half with it.
I just bought the merch for my first time! Cause we finally got intrenational shipping!! So exited for it. Got the new merch and the hat. New merch goes hard. Cant wait to get it. Love you guys🍻💙
hey i’m a new subscriber love your content so far especially when andrew gets excited to talk about avatar, and i hope you guys make an episode dedicated to korra one of these days my only thing is you guys need to add time stamps more often to the podcast more often !! P.S. I am 1,000,000,000% with you, Andrew on the relationship of Zutara after rewatching the show right before the live action came out i genuinely don’t see where the fans became delusional and made up “zutara” i really don’t see where it came from. i’ve seen avatar the last Airbender more than any other show since it came out when I was five years old, my only complaint with ATLA is they could’ve done Kataang better instead of her being a mother figure to Aang at first which is probably why some people still don’t see then as endgame like they are
These guys are hysterically unserious, every take they have is some the stupidest stuff I’ve ever heard and I’d love to hear them talk to someone who has genuine artistic intelligence. But I’m the loser who tunes in every week so keep up the good work
Lol literally “they have no appreciation for the superhero genre” when every superhero movie that came out in the last year sucked. Didn’t even see boy and the heron yet he cries like a little b1tch that it won. And the fact the stupider one saw boy and the heron dubbed says sooo much for me. Love watching it though they are hilarious
Lol I mean it’s a mcu/pop culture podcast from two guys that admittedly don’t know anything about art I doubt they’re gonna invite someone to talk about federico fellini films. It’s just what the show is
@@sojutent4379 but I think it would be funny if they did do that, bring on some guy who loves arthouse stuff and have him talk about the newest franchise blockbuster with them to hear more nuanced and different opinions
My answer for the question, who would win in a mortal kombat fight, the top 3 contenders would be Mulan, Elsa, and Merida. I honestly would say Elsa because of her powers. She and Sub-Zero are similar.
In defence of Korra: 1 the reason the stuff happened in the end of season 1 in Korra is because they had a 1 season order so they had to immediately wrap it up quick. If we can excuse a lot of shows for the studio being awful - don’t get why we can’t for Korra. They only started to feel more connected by season 3 and 4 time which is the strongest seasons imo. 2 the fact you didn’t mention season 3 which is on the same level as book 2 and 3 of ATLA is crazy - like if we’re talking about villains they are AMAZING 3 Korra doesn’t lose every fight - she wins plenty of fights (aang also loses plenty of fights - he literally dies and Katara has to save him). they make this example that she’s a great fighter but that isn’t the end all, she doesn’t have any life experience. It further feels like a double standard when Aang literally had help from past avatars as well, (in the og and then from the live action as well even more now) so I don’t get why him helping get her bending back is made weird when Aang legit got energy bending from a turtle to be honest with you 😅 3 Korra is still the bridge between worlds - she is still being this bridge and she still has this connection, the reason other avatars failed like Yangchen was because they ignored one for the other. By opening both she manages try and maintain both. 4 I have read and watched everything to do with ATLA but I think people get really blinded by their love for the original (are only a ever going to be fans of the original) considering there’s tons that’s great about Korra. If it weren’t connected to avatar I bet everyone would like it. The score is amazing, the fight scenes are insane, the animation is great, and a lot of the story is great. I’m not saying it’s a flawless show by any means, I wish it could be more cohesive, I don’t like the love triangle and I wish some of the side characters got more to do (but then we also have Tenzin and Jinora) and season 2 is the weakest (but has strong stuff like Wan, the sibling dynamic with aang’s kids). I think people focus too much on like 2 elements they don’t like when it’s a GOOD SHOW.
@@gualacheesesteak legit like Aang often ran away before he could win fights. And like in season 3 of korra people always make that argument but legit she’s been literally poisoned. And also it feels disrespectful to Aangs friends who literally help save him a ton like Katara who saves Aangs life multiple times on multiple occasions. In Aangs first appearance with a blood bender he didn’t do anything and he couldn’t because he wasn’t familiar with them exactly like Korra
Andrew’s the best but omg that invincible topic was rough to get through, this is coming from someone who watched all of season 1 in one night and read all 3 copendiums and yes season 2 hype died out soooo bad. Andrew was defending Amazon for their release but oh lord
the reasons I have an issue with the Korra hate from you guys is for one, hat guy you literally haven’t seen it. And for two, Andrew’s reasons for disliking it aren’t based on opinions and his gripes with it are things that are factually incorrect and can be disproven. I have no issue with someone not liking something if they have legitimate reasoning and aren’t quite clearly just being unfairly biased towards the project.
@@TheEscapePodPodcast oh idk, the not being able to bend without moving even though it’s done multiple times In ATLA, the blood bending without a full moon even though Hama was the first blood bender ever so just because she couldn’t do it you’re so set on the fact it shouldn’t be possible, Amon taking away peoples bending is in no way the same as what they did in ATLA with aang taking ozai’s bending because he’s doing it using an advance blood bending technique to create blood clots, so he’s not actually taking the bending away he’s creating a clot inside your body to block chakra for it. He also claims Korra dates everybody in the show, she literally only dated mako, and then in the last scene of the show walked off into the spirit world holding hands with asami, that’s it. It’s also been 70+ years inbetween shows, which has been stated, not 30. Is that enough factually disproven information or should I keep going? And hat guy you just listen to what he tells you and just assume it’s correct instead of just watching the show for yourself 😭😂
Elsa is def winning. I guarantee she would have an annoying ice spam projectile that would be broken. Plus her playstyle would be close to sub zero who solos mk universe.
I got an idea.. what if you guys do a back and forth draft. You have to pick 3 superpowers to add to yourself..so Andrew gets a pick then Alex and so on and at the end of the draft someone else picks the winner.. idk if it’s good or not😂😂
The best parts of movies that I think are the most important are world building characters the acting the cinematography and the score is what I would say or just sound design in general can help a lot in the film and I don’t think the movies story has to be gripping really or even the dialogue and when I watched dune 2 I didn’t really care to completely listen to the dialogue and instead enjoyed how the design and everything made me feel and I think it’s just a great movie even without knowing completely what was going on and I’m sure If I rewatched it and payed closer attention I would enjoy it even more than I did.
One thing people aren't thinking for Invincibles mid season break is that Invincible is the only animated series that has episodes that are OVER 45 minutes long. That's a crazy workload. No wonder episodes take forever to come out
Wait so If I were to buy the X-Men hoodie, you can now ship it to me in Australia. LETS GOO, will this be accessable with all of the merch from now on?
I genuinely love tasm 2 but Andrew you might have to take it down a notch, I fear for your safety. It is one of my favourite spiderman movies as well and I thought it was lower until you convinced me to rewatch it because of your rants, and then i thought both of you may have no wrong opinions. Then Hat Guy went on and on about cars 2 and i realised that Andrew had 1 right opinion and i should maybe stick to my gut. 😂 Thank you all for this amazing podcast.
A lot of echoes backstory and trauma is explained briefly in the show ‘Hawkeye’ which I recommend people watch as it’s really good in my opinion and takes inspiration from the Matt fraction and David aha comic series of ‘Hawkeye’
I just want to point out how hat guy hated on Kora for not doing much but what did she hulk do in her finale?😂😂😂but he swears by that show like be consistent
Andrew I usually agreee with you a lot but the invincible agree or disagree your totally waited 2-3 years for season 2 then 3 month wait for next 4 and amazon charged for ads now totally wrong here buddy!!
Invincible hype has died bro. It’s still a good show but bc of the gap it caused so many people to pick up the books to finish the story on their own and while the show is still good their petty reasons to push it back is all that is talked about now and I hope they get their stuff together for future seasons.
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Bro I love him but Andrew argues like a 5 year old girl sometimes. The invincible segment im like dude😭😭
A 5 year old girl with some amazing takes
@@TheEscapePodPodcastAndrew… why are you for a 3 month break for 8 episodes?? Like that’s legit just a terrible move
nah fr i literally forgot about the show
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It makes no sense to be on amazons side on this Andrew 😂
0:00 - Intro/Agree-Disagree
8:31 - Merch/Discord/Event Announcements & Q of the Week 1
14:31 - Agree-Disagree
29:35 - Marvel Strike Force Ad
31:30 - Agree-Disagree
1:12:00 - Would They Die/Survive
1:28:38 - Korra Hate
1:33:41 - TASM 2 opinions
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“The marvels is clearly a better movie than…” isn’t a sentence I ever thought would hit my ears but here we are
The marvels is great
The sketch references were the highlight of this episode 😂
Let’s go another episode with them!!! Love the guest guys keep it up!!!
Boy and the Heron deserved the Oscar 💯
100% I was so upset they trashed it lol. They don’t really acknowledge anime though unless it’s AoT or Pokémon.
Blakes takes was one of the first accounts I followed on tiktok, super pumped to see them make another appearance!
The fix on the video is goated
Dune 1&2 Bang, Interstellar Bangs
Big facts
Im happy you guys reuploaded this with the camera working😁👍
I just bought merch for the first time because of the international shipping and I can't wait to get my hands on them. I love The podcast. It has turned one of the worst days of the week into a highlight. I love you guys and I really hope you keep doing the podcast it brings me more joy than you could imagine♥️♥️♥️
You're the best!
This is my new favorite pod episode i love the discussions and the longer runtime
love you guys cant wait for the new sweatshirt it brought I tear to my eye to see that Alex was wearing his megaton shirt and it made me think about the older pod episodes so thank you Alex for wearing that
hour 40 podcast is ELITE
1:18:32 the excitement of just saying "full potential Anakin" lool, I'm with you though haha
7:42 immediately looked for Andrew's reaction to see if he'd point out the famous Alex quote 😂 literally did the exact same thing
You know I gotta do it 😂
Fantastic 4 is my most anticipated movie of 2025. I feel like it has to be one of the best movies of that year, if Marvel plays their cards right. Also, love you guys you do so much for us .❤
We hope so! Do you like the casting?
@@TheEscapePodPodcast I do like the cast of fantastic for except for Pedro Pascal ask Reed Richard that role should be John Keasinski from Dr. Strange Multiverse of madness
this is one of my favorites episode right next to the episode that I was in so thank you guys hope I can win again for the x men 97 hoodie contest
Alex is wrong on so many levels when 1:36:10 saying the love for TASM 2 only started after no way home.
Blakes Takes needs their own podcast
They have one
@@AlyssaRooPewSarcasm
1:25:47 Garett really had to take in what you said lol
BIG W IN CHAT FOR THE REUPLOAD BOYS
Please add a role in the discord for the TASM 2 fans🤣 1:38:10
My Monday just got Better ❤
I bought the new hoodie this morning! During the first upload excited for my first thing of merch to come in!
Yay! Thank you!
You guys are awesome for reuploading 😊
Aang cant metal bend. when Kora learned how to in her show, her teacher said she was the first metal-bending avatar.
Fan Question-Does any of the princesses have weapons or items. If merida has her bow, it is zero question. Does snow white get the dwarfs. I think that if you put them in a hunger games style, than merida would win, but if they bases and the castles than it might be belle with the entire castle including the beast and the workers. My answer will be merida
Keep it going boys🎉🎉🎉 congratulations on the new merch 🔥🔥
TASM 2 one of the greatest spiderman movies ever.
About the lions vs Jedi I think the main thing is if you kill a million lions the whole battlefield would be covered it would just be hard to move in general then also if they surrounded them it’s OV just cause the sheer numbers of bodies would crowd them not just the alive lions themselves
This is where the fun begins. Had a blast making this design!!
I feel like Elsa and Merida are the only two to stand a chance in this fight. Even then I think that Elsa impales her with an ice spear after splitting her arrow in half with it.
Thank you for fixing the static, I really wanted to watch the rest of the episode
I just bought the merch for my first time! Cause we finally got intrenational shipping!! So exited for it. Got the new merch and the hat. New merch goes hard. Cant wait to get it. Love you guys🍻💙
Legend!
I love the Wilhelm scream lol 1:00:24
9:52 ANDREW WHERE CAN I GET THAT WINTER SOLDIER SWEATSHIRT
I want to get the patreon so bad but I can’t afford it maybe someday soon!
8:37 the winter soldier sweatshirt is fire Andrew
Thank you thank you
hey i’m a new subscriber love your content so far especially when andrew gets excited to talk about avatar, and i hope you guys make an episode dedicated to korra one of these days my only thing is you guys need to add time stamps more often to the podcast more often !!
P.S.
I am 1,000,000,000% with you, Andrew on the relationship of Zutara after rewatching the show right before the live action came out i genuinely don’t see where the fans became delusional and made up “zutara” i really don’t see where it came from. i’ve seen avatar the last Airbender more than any other show since it came out when I was five years old, my only complaint with ATLA is they could’ve done Kataang better instead of her being a mother figure to Aang at first which is probably why some people still don’t see then as endgame like they are
Got myself the merch! Love that X-Men version of the logo!
That winter soldier sweater is the best thing I’ve seen you wear (no diddy)
These guys are hysterically unserious, every take they have is some the stupidest stuff I’ve ever heard and I’d love to hear them talk to someone who has genuine artistic intelligence. But I’m the loser who tunes in every week so keep up the good work
Lol literally “they have no appreciation for the superhero genre” when every superhero movie that came out in the last year sucked. Didn’t even see boy and the heron yet he cries like a little b1tch that it won. And the fact the stupider one saw boy and the heron dubbed says sooo much for me. Love watching it though they are hilarious
@@Manofmanyjokesand all the yapping about visual effects and storytelling I BEG that someone shows them Dog Star Man
Lol I mean it’s a mcu/pop culture podcast from two guys that admittedly don’t know anything about art I doubt they’re gonna invite someone to talk about federico fellini films. It’s just what the show is
@@sojutent4379 but I think it would be funny if they did do that, bring on some guy who loves arthouse stuff and have him talk about the newest franchise blockbuster with them to hear more nuanced and different opinions
@@Yosemidjonesshut up bruh holy shit 😂
Two episodes in one day let’s gooo!
Same ep tho🤣. Only that they fixed it
@@eliasjohansson2195 ik
My answer for the question, who would win in a mortal kombat fight, the top 3 contenders would be Mulan, Elsa, and Merida. I honestly would say Elsa because of her powers. She and Sub-Zero are similar.
In defence of Korra:
1 the reason the stuff happened in the end of season 1 in Korra is because they had a 1 season order so they had to immediately wrap it up quick. If we can excuse a lot of shows for the studio being awful - don’t get why we can’t for Korra. They only started to feel more connected by season 3 and 4 time which is the strongest seasons imo.
2 the fact you didn’t mention season 3 which is on the same level as book 2 and 3 of ATLA is crazy - like if we’re talking about villains they are AMAZING
3 Korra doesn’t lose every fight - she wins plenty of fights (aang also loses plenty of fights - he literally dies and Katara has to save him). they make this example that she’s a great fighter but that isn’t the end all, she doesn’t have any life experience. It further feels like a double standard when Aang literally had help from past avatars as well, (in the og and then from the live action as well even more now) so I don’t get why him helping get her bending back is made weird when Aang legit got energy bending from a turtle to be honest with you 😅
3 Korra is still the bridge between worlds - she is still being this bridge and she still has this connection, the reason other avatars failed like Yangchen was because they ignored one for the other. By opening both she manages try and maintain both.
4 I have read and watched everything to do with ATLA but I think people get really blinded by their love for the original (are only a ever going to be fans of the original) considering there’s tons that’s great about Korra. If it weren’t connected to avatar I bet everyone would like it. The score is amazing, the fight scenes are insane, the animation is great, and a lot of the story is great. I’m not saying it’s a flawless show by any means, I wish it could be more cohesive, I don’t like the love triangle and I wish some of the side characters got more to do (but then we also have Tenzin and Jinora) and season 2 is the weakest (but has strong stuff like Wan, the sibling dynamic with aang’s kids). I think people focus too much on like 2 elements they don’t like when it’s a GOOD SHOW.
Korra is bad
He said she doesn’t win fights as if Aang wasn’t constantly running away from people far weaker then him😂
@@gualacheesesteak legit like Aang often ran away before he could win fights. And like in season 3 of korra people always make that argument but legit she’s been literally poisoned. And also it feels disrespectful to Aangs friends who literally help save him a ton like Katara who saves Aangs life multiple times on multiple occasions. In Aangs first appearance with a blood bender he didn’t do anything and he couldn’t because he wasn’t familiar with them exactly like Korra
This is the best defence of Korra I've ever seen well done! I'm totally with you on every point here.
@@Surfing_Pikachu wow thank you!!
What other anime has 50 minute long episodes. It might only be four but that’s four hours of invincible. The hype isn’t gone
This really might be the best pod episode ever
Awkwafina in The Farewell was peak
Tasm 2 is a banger!! Love the scene in Times Square!
Andrew’s the best but omg that invincible topic was rough to get through, this is coming from someone who watched all of season 1 in one night and read all 3 copendiums and yes season 2 hype died out soooo bad. Andrew was defending Amazon for their release but oh lord
Garrett’stakes with Cohost Blake 🎉
😂
Avatar 3 gonna win 2025 box office and it won’t be close, said by an Avatar fan and lifelong DC fan
4:02 THE BLASPHEMY THAT JUST CAME OUT OF YOUR MOUTH😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
I’m
Hyped for the Acolyte but we will definitely see
Could be great, could be terrible. What's your favorite Star Wars movie?
Now hold up... Mulan is dam near pre-MK11 Liu Kang with her hands. Have to put some respect on her name, she's winning the tournament imo.
the reasons I have an issue with the Korra hate from you guys is for one, hat guy you literally haven’t seen it. And for two, Andrew’s reasons for disliking it aren’t based on opinions and his gripes with it are things that are factually incorrect and can be disproven. I have no issue with someone not liking something if they have legitimate reasoning and aren’t quite clearly just being unfairly biased towards the project.
What has Andrew said that’s factually incorrect?
@@TheEscapePodPodcast oh idk, the not being able to bend without moving even though it’s done multiple times In ATLA, the blood bending without a full moon even though Hama was the first blood bender ever so just because she couldn’t do it you’re so set on the fact it shouldn’t be possible, Amon taking away peoples bending is in no way the same as what they did in ATLA with aang taking ozai’s bending because he’s doing it using an advance blood bending technique to create blood clots, so he’s not actually taking the bending away he’s creating a clot inside your body to block chakra for it. He also claims Korra dates everybody in the show, she literally only dated mako, and then in the last scene of the show walked off into the spirit world holding hands with asami, that’s it. It’s also been 70+ years inbetween shows, which has been stated, not 30. Is that enough factually disproven information or should I keep going? And hat guy you just listen to what he tells you and just assume it’s correct instead of just watching the show for yourself 😭😂
For every one Jedi, there are 100,000 lions. The lions win
wow i live in burbank and ive always wanted to meet you guys. if having to sit through tasm 2 is the price to pay ill do it
Hahahahahaha come on down!
The Farewell is the best performance of Awkwafina’s career. Not KFP4.
Rapunzel with a frying pan beats all
Andrew was ready to commit war crimes when y’all talked abt zutara
Elsa is def winning. I guarantee she would have an annoying ice spam projectile that would be broken. Plus her playstyle would be close to sub zero who solos mk universe.
I got an idea.. what if you guys do a back and forth draft. You have to pick 3 superpowers to add to yourself..so Andrew gets a pick then Alex and so on and at the end of the draft someone else picks the winner.. idk if it’s good or not😂😂
Andrew was off a perc in this ep
tasm 2 is amazing and always will be i’ll always be on andrew’s side for that
what’s up brother ☝🏼🤓
The Marvels over ROTS is gyattt dayumn nutss
The best parts of movies that I think are the most important are world building characters the acting the cinematography and the score is what I would say or just sound design in general can help a lot in the film and I don’t think the movies story has to be gripping really or even the dialogue and when I watched dune 2 I didn’t really care to completely listen to the dialogue and instead enjoyed how the design and everything made me feel and I think it’s just a great movie even without knowing completely what was going on and I’m sure If I rewatched it and payed closer attention I would enjoy it even more than I did.
Re-upload fixing the static visual thing?
Yep
Respect for the Chris Pratt take. Way too overhated.
1:00:25 Wilhelm Scream 😭😭
One thing people aren't thinking for Invincibles mid season break is that Invincible is the only animated series that has episodes that are OVER 45 minutes long. That's a crazy workload. No wonder episodes take forever to come out
Saying kung Fu panda 4 is awkwafina’s best role says so much about the movies you watch 😭 (not in a bad way).
Watch the farewell then comeback to me…
I AM A TASM 2 LOVER AND TODAY I WILL NOT STAND FOR THE RETICULE BY THESE BULLYS. TASM 2 IS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LET'S GOOOOO UNITE!!!!
I want to go to Paris
I feel like Elsa is for sure winning. She is just going to impail everyone on her icices. Fatality.
Wait so If I were to buy the X-Men hoodie, you can now ship it to me in Australia. LETS GOO, will this be accessable with all of the merch from now on?
Yes
I genuinely love tasm 2 but Andrew you might have to take it down a notch, I fear for your safety. It is one of my favourite spiderman movies as well and I thought it was lower until you convinced me to rewatch it because of your rants, and then i thought both of you may have no wrong opinions. Then Hat Guy went on and on about cars 2 and i realised that Andrew had 1 right opinion and i should maybe stick to my gut. 😂 Thank you all for this amazing podcast.
oh shit u guys fixed the video, im watching it again🧜♂️
I was wondering if the glitch would be fixed
Woah… I’m getting some Deja Vu vibes from watching this episode
Oops
After watching this I’m switching to Ducktakes podcast 👋🏼
Anakin stands no chance against the Avatars what are we talking about here 😂😂😂😂
A lot of echoes backstory and trauma is explained briefly in the show ‘Hawkeye’ which I recommend people watch as it’s really good in my opinion and takes inspiration from the Matt fraction and David aha comic series of ‘Hawkeye’
1:00:25 star wars scream by wafellow? Lol
Should’ve left the old one gives it character if it has some static 😂
I just want to point out how hat guy hated on Kora for not doing much but what did she hulk do in her finale?😂😂😂but he swears by that show like be consistent
Andrew I usually agreee with you a lot but the invincible agree or disagree your totally waited 2-3 years for season 2 then 3 month wait for next 4 and amazon charged for ads now totally wrong here buddy!!
The Superman film I’m so hyped for i pray for the DCU to be peak
ATLA is one of the greatest shows to ever be made
Hat guy took a W on this episode..... Anakin takes it
Bro we have to wait 5 years for across
Fire fuckin episode bois
Invincible hype has died bro. It’s still a good show but bc of the gap it caused so many people to pick up the books to finish the story on their own and while the show is still good their petty reasons to push it back is all that is talked about now and I hope they get their stuff together for future seasons.
Korra is a strong show imo
Revenge of the Sith is my 4th favorite SW film
After what?
I love Invincible and the hype was killed. Also one week as a whole lot different than 3 months. That’s dumb.
elsa would win that cuz she's basically sub zero
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