@@ancientsight I slightly edited my opinion of Anthemius and included by comparing him to Valens. However, thw heart is missing after editing it. Could you restore the heart?
What a shame that not only there wasn't a bust of Majorian and Anthemius, but also Ricimer acted as the Praetorian Guards and killed two emperors that both attempted to hold the empire together.
Dont forget Nepos, he too tried. Honestly Valentinian should be commended as well. Even though he didn’t really make his own decisions he held the best intentions for rome if he wanted Majorian to succeed him.
Julius Nepos is so underrated, the man was planning an expedition to retake Italia and he could've succeeded- he actually was a seasoned commander- and had the Eastern Romans' backing so Nepos and East Rome combined could've taken back Italia and restored the Western Empire but he too was betrayed by traitors.
@@zippyparakeet1074hell so long as they broke past Lugdunum they wouldve also rallied the Gallic legions who were by that point a mighty enough force to have held the Visigoths by themselves with Frankish mercenaries
I appreciate your interest and trust me, I'm not going to stop making these videos. And about your question, yes I'll start a Patreon, I don't know exactly when
@@johnrichardson7310 He wasn't "betrayed", He was easily swayed. Ricimer himself could be considered be an Emperor, therefor the "puppet emperors" were less puppets and more illegitimate figureheads.
Anthemius had the potential to become another Augustus, but he lived enough to see he was another Decius, Valens, or Severus Alexander (He was closest to Valens imo, because their generals f*cked up the battle like Victorius and Sebastianus in Adrianople and Basiliscus in Cape Bon, capable and just emperors who ended up betrayed by their people and no one appreciated their efforts for holding the empire together) These four emperors were considered to be the most underrated rulers in the antiquity area, and they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nevertheless, at least they tried to put the empire back on track.
Love these videos. From Honorius, to Attila, to the fall. Been looking for exactly this for a long time. Really explains the lead up to the fall. And it's a great way also to understand the context of the TW: Attila game! Thank you!
Great video. I get frustrated when people act as if “Rome never fell in 476”. It’d been crumbling for far longer before that in the West and after Stilicho died it was slowing an inevitable current. Those that sight “the senate and other institutions still stood and Latin Christianity still proclaimed”, but people are more than just their faith and language and other than the most wealthy, the Roman identity really eroded. But this was not a single event but decades compounding on decades of migration and economic displacement that eroded the West, so badly Balesarius was shocked at what he found only decades later
But Italy was still under Roman rule after 476, at least as far as the people at the time were concerned. They just had one, more legitimate Emperor now, instead of two and there's no real evidence that the Roman identity in Italy declined, not until the Lombards arrived. If anything, the period between Romulus Augustus and Belisarius in Italy was a brief respite. A period where Roman Italy finally entered a period of political and economic stability, that allowed it to partially recover, until the Gothic War and plague put the swift end to that.
@@marvelfannumber1 this is an outdated catholic perspective. You’re assuming Rome in 476 was like it was in 376 which it absolutely wasn’t. The final century was unrecognisable to the past of the empire. Migration hasn’t just bled into the military. Frontier provinces had either been overrun or fused with German migrants and the resettled peoples (Franks, etc) had NO interest in the Roman ideal. They were romanised in military and economic conduct but their culture and ideology had very little regard to the arrogant relic that was “Rome” which only continued to show a dated supremacy that was widely considered a paper Tiger. 476 was not a collapse but a mercy killing and acknowledgement that Rome was dead in the west and Odocer hailed Xeno as Augustus with every intent of overthrowing Rome again if he could. Yes, 476 wasn’t a huge moment but Rome died already over the past 50 years of dilution. I welcome your response as your perspective isn’t uncommon. Thanks for sharing your views.
@@rockstar450 You can't lecture me on outdated perspectives when you're trying to correct me by pivoting to the 'barbarisation' perspective, which has largely been discredited in more recent scholarship.
@@marvelfannumber1 “largely discredited”? What are you talking about. The erosion of the Roman identity in its final century remains staple knowledge. I believe you’re confused with the way the inhabitance didn’t “perceive the fall” as a monumental change which I agree with, but migration continued to play a huge role and after learning Latin in order to collect taxes, the Goths kicked the “pure” Romans into poverty, holding power for themselves. This explains the collapse of trade and agriculture in subsequent centuries and how Belasarius was bewildered at how unrecognisable Italy had become. Save for some of the richest areas
im on my first year of university and this series really helped me study for my roman history exam. i got an 18 out of 20, keep up with the good content.
Your channel is a hidden gem. It's a shame RUclips algorithm doesn't credit your videos because the quality is similar to the big guys with 50K subs. Even if you have an strong accent (I also have one) the narration is clear. Love the soundtrack, I think it really fits this kind of videos as it helps to develop the narrative.
How have I not found this channel before? I watch so many history videos I thought I was already subscribed to anyone worth a damn(even the small channels) RUclips reccomend coming in clutch
If generals such as Stillicon, Aetius, Majorian weren't assassinated and if the aristocracy wouldn't betray its own people, the Western Roman empire would have survived way longer.
That is hard to detail in a few words. I learned much of it from Daniël Hasenbo's course on skillshare. You basically only need his first course to understand everything
You know Aetius and Majorians were the last hopes of Rome in the West when their last remaining generals with significant powers still alive Marcellinus and Aegidius (both of whom served with Majorian in Aetius's army) managed to hold their provinces longer than Italia held, granted its their successors who fell in their stead because they werent young no more, but still, we are talking about Generals not good enough to make a differance by themselves, but good enough that led by a great man couldve led to miracles
Personally I firmly reject using the name 'Clovis' as it doesn't even come close to what his name would've sounded like. Gregory of Tours speaks of 'Chlodovechus'. His reconstructed name being Hlodowig. 'Famous battle/warrior'. If people do use the name Clovis, they should pronounce it like 'Hlowis'. Here you see where the name Louis/Lewis came from. By the way, all Germanic names have stress on the first syllable. HLOwis, HLOdowig, RIKimer, Ódowaker, THEUderik, HILderik, HLOdio, FAramund.
Good question. Nothing is completely sure but it seems that the roman client state of the bosporan kingdom in Crimea disapeared around the second half of the IVth century. That was due to the gothic and hunnic migrations. That is why I did not represent it in this video occuring in the Vth century. Later, the eastern roman would reassert some degree of direct control over Crimea in the VIth or VIIth century.
I have always wondered what was going on in ricemar head since he care so little about the emperor since he killed two of them who could have restored the hole thing. Rica ar is truly the worst.
Very Beautiful Video perhaps adding the words West and Christian would be helpful your video title Late Roman Empire could apply to pagan west last emperors or Christian Last EAST emperors who called themselves Romans/Romaioi and not Byzantines clicked thinking it would be about Last Emperor of East Constantine XI
Of course the only point of critique I have is how you pronounce Suebians. But from your latest video, I know that you now know how to pronounce it in a better way! Another thing pretty much everyone gets wrong are the Cs. They represent a K sound. So Odoaker, Rikimer.
If Rome was wicked, then that it ended was a good thing. If Rome was good, then All Good things Must Come to an End. Either way, this ending was necessary. If anything might have been different from what actually happened, then YOU most likely would not exist.
From Constantin I, the newly born byzantine, greek-christian empire has weakened the true roman empire and was succesful at getting rid of it in a little more than a century and half. First the wisigoths then the ostrogoths were sent to the west by the byzantines, whereas their stupid religious wars made impossible to protect the Rhine border. The roman empire died for tolerating christianity. The 2d big reason is the replacement of the parthian (scythic) empire by the neo-persian empire in times of Caracalla, little before Diocletian (whose tetrarchy was later usurped by Constantin I). Caracalla, by making war to the parthians, weakened both roman and parthian empires, some years before the parthian being defeated by the founder of sassanid empire, much more agressive than the parthian. At the end of the 5th century the sassanid power was increased by an unexpected alliance with the hephtalite huns. In the 6th century sth even worse happened : the sassanids invited the turks in Central Asia. By showing ignorance and dysrespect to the iranian world (parthians + persians), the romans followed by the byzantines created the conditions of their complete failure. The choice of christianity was just like a cherry on the cake, compared to that huge act of insolidarity to indo-european brothers. Later, the christian radicalization of the western catholic world allow the current situation : an islamo-turkish occupied Anatolia. That's what people get when they let emperors like Constantin or even worse, Theodose, be their leaders.
The map and it's animations are very visually appealing, good work
It almost looks like a map game it's so well made
I agree. the sound effects are also cool
Yes, how did you do this? After effects?
Seeing Majorian trying to restore the Western Roman Empire only to get killed by Ricimer.
It makes me so sad😔
Well done! Not an easy time to cover! So much instability and turmoil,but truly a fascinating era!
Thanks ! Zeno's reign especially was not super simple to sum up, so many things happening constantly
@@ancientsight I slightly edited my opinion of Anthemius and included by comparing him to Valens. However, thw heart is missing after editing it. Could you restore the heart?
@@ancientsight Note: The heart will disappear again because I have changed my opinion for closely compared Anthemius to Valens. Pls restore it TvT
Majorian was the last true emperor of both classical empires. The last one in the field and the last true strategic genius.
Justinian, and later manual II could count
@@TheMisterDarknight one was a palace emperor...
@@DominatorGaragebasil ii
Nothing makes him the last true Emperor....
Heraclius??
What a shame that not only there wasn't a bust of Majorian and Anthemius, but also Ricimer acted as the Praetorian Guards and killed two emperors that both attempted to hold the empire together.
Dont forget Nepos, he too tried. Honestly Valentinian should be commended as well. Even though he didn’t really make his own decisions he held the best intentions for rome if he wanted Majorian to succeed him.
Julius Nepos is so underrated, the man was planning an expedition to retake Italia and he could've succeeded- he actually was a seasoned commander- and had the Eastern Romans' backing so Nepos and East Rome combined could've taken back Italia and restored the Western Empire but he too was betrayed by traitors.
@zippyparakeet1074 Nepos has potential too.
Rome: Always its Own Worst Enemy
@@zippyparakeet1074hell so long as they broke past Lugdunum they wouldve also rallied the Gallic legions who were by that point a mighty enough force to have held the Visigoths by themselves with Frankish mercenaries
You’re very underrated these videos are awesome
Thanks man, that means a lot
Fantastic video as always. Very underrated channel that deserves to be among the big history RUclips channels
Hello, I'm a big fan of your channel (please never give up!!) and I love your template on the videos. Are you planning of starting a Patreon soon?
I appreciate your interest and trust me, I'm not going to stop making these videos. And about your question, yes I'll start a Patreon, I don't know exactly when
Majorian makes me die inside a little every time
Don't cry because he was betrayed and failed instead smile was a flame of light in a dark age of decline.
@@johnrichardson7310 He wasn't "betrayed", He was easily swayed. Ricimer himself
could be considered be an Emperor, therefor the "puppet emperors" were less
puppets and more illegitimate figureheads.
Love how this one is done in the chronological annal style. Most content-creators tend to take a more retrospective analytical approach
Sometimes it's not super easy to do that way but I really want these videos to "explain History while telling a story" if I can say so
@@ancientsight Yes! and this is the approach Livy, Dio, and many of the ancient writers!
Anthemius had the potential to become another Augustus, but he lived enough to see he was another Decius, Valens, or Severus Alexander (He was closest to Valens imo, because their generals f*cked up the battle like Victorius and Sebastianus in Adrianople and Basiliscus in Cape Bon, capable and just emperors who ended up betrayed by their people and no one appreciated their efforts for holding the empire together)
These four emperors were considered to be the most underrated rulers in the antiquity area, and they were born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Nevertheless, at least they tried to put the empire back on track.
The production quality compared to the size of this channel is mind blowing, I hope this channel gets the deserved attention.
Love these videos. From Honorius, to Attila, to the fall. Been looking for exactly this for a long time.
Really explains the lead up to the fall. And it's a great way also to understand the context of the TW: Attila game!
Thank you!
You only have 700 subs.Your maps and animation look so good.You are really underated
F*ck Ricimer 😡😡
(great video btw)
Great video. I get frustrated when people act as if “Rome never fell in 476”. It’d been crumbling for far longer before that in the West and after Stilicho died it was slowing an inevitable current. Those that sight “the senate and other institutions still stood and Latin Christianity still proclaimed”, but people are more than just their faith and language and other than the most wealthy, the Roman identity really eroded. But this was not a single event but decades compounding on decades of migration and economic displacement that eroded the West, so badly Balesarius was shocked at what he found only decades later
But Italy was still under Roman rule after 476, at least as far as the people at the time were concerned. They just had one, more legitimate Emperor now, instead of two and there's no real evidence that the Roman identity in Italy declined, not until the Lombards arrived.
If anything, the period between Romulus Augustus and Belisarius in Italy was a brief respite. A period where Roman Italy finally entered a period of political and economic stability, that allowed it to partially recover, until the Gothic War and plague put the swift end to that.
@@marvelfannumber1 this is an outdated catholic perspective. You’re assuming Rome in 476 was like it was in 376 which it absolutely wasn’t. The final century was unrecognisable to the past of the empire. Migration hasn’t just bled into the military. Frontier provinces had either been overrun or fused with German migrants and the resettled peoples (Franks, etc) had NO interest in the Roman ideal. They were romanised in military and economic conduct but their culture and ideology had very little regard to the arrogant relic that was “Rome” which only continued to show a dated supremacy that was widely considered a paper Tiger. 476 was not a collapse but a mercy killing and acknowledgement that Rome was dead in the west and Odocer hailed Xeno as Augustus with every intent of overthrowing Rome again if he could. Yes, 476 wasn’t a huge moment but Rome died already over the past 50 years of dilution. I welcome your response as your perspective isn’t uncommon. Thanks for sharing your views.
@@rockstar450
You can't lecture me on outdated perspectives when you're trying to correct me by pivoting to the 'barbarisation' perspective, which has largely been discredited in more recent scholarship.
@@marvelfannumber1 “largely discredited”? What are you talking about. The erosion of the Roman identity in its final century remains staple knowledge. I believe you’re confused with the way the inhabitance didn’t “perceive the fall” as a monumental change which I agree with, but migration continued to play a huge role and after learning Latin in order to collect taxes, the Goths kicked the “pure” Romans into poverty, holding power for themselves. This explains the collapse of trade and agriculture in subsequent centuries and how Belasarius was bewildered at how unrecognisable Italy had become. Save for some of the richest areas
@@marvelfannumber1 but let’s have a conversation. Please explain your position friend.
Perfection! Loved it! thank u so much good Sire!
bro your videos are just well done.
period.
im on my first year of university and this series really helped me study for my roman history exam. i got an 18 out of 20, keep up with the good content.
Congrats, I am glad this helped you that way
Excellent video! Love the animation.
I'm surpressed Zeno managed to hold onto power in such a tumultuous time
The country is in its last legs but still has strenght for rebellions and civil wars.
Impressive
Another amazing video. Keep up the great work.
Your channel is a hidden gem. It's a shame RUclips algorithm doesn't credit your videos because the quality is similar to the big guys with 50K subs.
Even if you have an strong accent (I also have one) the narration is clear. Love the soundtrack, I think it really fits this kind of videos as it helps to develop the narrative.
Wow great videos
Great quality espacily for such a Small channel keep it up
Great video and summary of very complex historical events in 5th century.
Bellissima friend 👍👍👍👍
Majorian was such a chad
Great quality videos, love your channel keep it up!
Great respect on your effort. Map color choses are great.
Again, comment for référencement. Nice job
How have I not found this channel before? I watch so many history videos I thought I was already subscribed to anyone worth a damn(even the small channels) RUclips reccomend coming in clutch
I guess I'm pretty good at hide and seek. Thank you for your comment, I'm glad you like
GREAT content!
Thanks !
Excellente vidéo BG
Merci poto
Great Video.
3:00 music name please!
My friend I would love to know the music between 2:18-4:21, from 6:03-7:48, from 10:08-13:36, and from 13:36-15:56
Reality really is stranger than fiction. This story of succession puts even game of thrones to shame.
so sad i missed the premier for this still class AF( as Flavius) tho
Epic video
Darn ricimer! Major was doing such fine job
I cried @15:10 😭
Supreme effort on Majorian and his men’s part, treachery once again strikes down the best hand, such irony would be poetic if it wasn’t so frequent.
If generals such as Stillicon, Aetius, Majorian weren't assassinated and if the aristocracy wouldn't betray its own people, the Western Roman empire would have survived way longer.
I am hooked
F.. the algorithm, this channel deserves more.
It's Rikmer not Risimer. It's also Kikero and Keisar. Latin did not have a unvoiced "c" back then and the C was pronounced like a K.
I like Odoacer
How you make these mapa? I am really interested
That is hard to detail in a few words. I learned much of it from Daniël Hasenbo's course on skillshare. You basically only need his first course to understand everything
was avitus killed or deposed ?
He was deposed and made a bishop. But he died a few months after
You know Aetius and Majorians were the last hopes of Rome in the West when their last remaining generals with significant powers still alive Marcellinus and Aegidius (both of whom served with Majorian in Aetius's army) managed to hold their provinces longer than Italia held, granted its their successors who fell in their stead because they werent young no more, but still, we are talking about Generals not good enough to make a differance by themselves, but good enough that led by a great man couldve led to miracles
Betrayals like this make me scream at my screen tbh
Personally I firmly reject using the name 'Clovis' as it doesn't even come close to what his name would've sounded like.
Gregory of Tours speaks of 'Chlodovechus'. His reconstructed name being Hlodowig. 'Famous battle/warrior'.
If people do use the name Clovis, they should pronounce it like 'Hlowis'. Here you see where the name Louis/Lewis came from.
By the way, all Germanic names have stress on the first syllable. HLOwis, HLOdowig, RIKimer, Ódowaker, THEUderik, HILderik, HLOdio, FAramund.
Thank you for this useful information
@@ancientsight You're welcome, just my two cents on it! ;)
Seen the last days of the West literally hurts. No matter how hard good man fought, it wasn’t enough
wait why is Crimea not under roman control on your map?
Good question. Nothing is completely sure but it seems that the roman client state of the bosporan kingdom in Crimea disapeared around the second half of the IVth century. That was due to the gothic and hunnic migrations. That is why I did not represent it in this video occuring in the Vth century. Later, the eastern roman would reassert some degree of direct control over Crimea in the VIth or VIIth century.
@@ancientsight i knew of Justinian expanding there but I thought it was just getting more for that province
Valentinian cut his right hand with his left when he killed aetius, while ricimer cut off his own head
Leo the Thracian🇷🇴☦️💯
Love how you just called Theodoric the Great as The Amal. We do not need to know his name, since we already know who he is.
I have always wondered what was going on in ricemar head since he care so little about the emperor since he killed two of them who could have restored the hole thing. Rica ar is truly the worst.
👍👍👍
I just cant look at it after 461.. it just makes me sick..
Yeah I know that feel
The imperial line in the west did not end, The last true [Western] Roman Emperor was Teia I,
And the true WRE really fell in 553, and not 476 AD.
Very Beautiful Video
perhaps adding the words West and Christian would be helpful
your video title Late Roman Empire
could apply to pagan west last emperors or Christian Last EAST emperors who called themselves Romans/Romaioi
and not Byzantines
clicked thinking it would be about Last Emperor of East Constantine XI
Of course the only point of critique I have is how you pronounce Suebians. But from your latest video, I know that you now know how to pronounce it in a better way!
Another thing pretty much everyone gets wrong are the Cs. They represent a K sound. So Odoaker, Rikimer.
If Rome was wicked, then that it ended was a good thing. If Rome was good, then All Good things Must Come to an End. Either way, this ending was necessary. If anything might have been different from what actually happened, then YOU most likely would not exist.
I don't know, I still hold hope that the western empire will be restored... We italians are just waiting for the opportune moment...
From Constantin I, the newly born byzantine, greek-christian empire has weakened the true roman empire and was succesful at getting rid of it in a little more than a century and half. First the wisigoths then the ostrogoths were sent to the west by the byzantines, whereas their stupid religious wars made impossible to protect the Rhine border. The roman empire died for tolerating christianity. The 2d big reason is the replacement of the parthian (scythic) empire by the neo-persian empire in times of Caracalla, little before Diocletian (whose tetrarchy was later usurped by Constantin I). Caracalla, by making war to the parthians, weakened both roman and parthian empires, some years before the parthian being defeated by the founder of sassanid empire, much more agressive than the parthian. At the end of the 5th century the sassanid power was increased by an unexpected alliance with the hephtalite huns. In the 6th century sth even worse happened : the sassanids invited the turks in Central Asia.
By showing ignorance and dysrespect to the iranian world (parthians + persians), the romans followed by the byzantines created the conditions of their complete failure. The choice of christianity was just like a cherry on the cake, compared to that huge act of insolidarity to indo-european brothers. Later, the christian radicalization of the western catholic world allow the current situation : an islamo-turkish occupied Anatolia. That's what people get when they let emperors like Constantin or even worse, Theodose, be their leaders.
Finally something from this time period that isn't a summary , and I can see why this time period isn't in video games, it's mostly too political
Definitely
♥w♥o♥w♥. You desperately need P-R-O-M-O-S-M!
I hate Ricimier so much
this guy is not my favorite ❤
Music?