I'm glad I ran across this. I have DCS, but I never use it because I got spoiled using real controls in real aircraft simulators. (Short backstory: I worked on Navy full motion flight sims for several years. After 4000+ hours flying them, I can't stand to fly anything with fake and incomplete controls. My eyes were not good enough to become an F-16 pilot, so my fallback was being an engineer.) I now know that when I buy these, they will work as I expect (I never expected to find inexpensive modules that looked and felt exactly like the real thing.) As well, my grandson wants to be a pilot. He's in 4th grade, is extremely smart, and has good eyesight. It might be time to get him started, and this helps a lot.
These also work in Falcon BMS. Well, the MFD's do. I don't have the ICP yet but it is next on my list. And I was an F-16 crew chief as well. Worked on the BLK 32s, 42s and we were bringing in the BLK 50 when I was getting out.
ICP and MFD are working fine in BMS! Simapp does not! I used Helios to export the screens and Falcon Loader to asign the keys. But after that, everything is working perfectly! 🤗
Thanks for your video, I was tempted and ordered the ICP WinWing. I've just received it and frankly the product is of very good quality. It's very pleasant to fly with it and the settings are really easy (I fly on BMS). After this first successful test, I'm now thinking of ordering MFDs, because they really change the flying experience. 😉
Been away from the hobby for a while, just watched this today. Another awesome video. Thank you! I was looking into the MFDs earlier this year and decided against it due to the complexity (to me, anyway) install process. Looks like WinWing really streamlined it…I think even I could figure it out now. Thanks again for the walk through. Take care.
The full F-18 MIP is on my list for my cockpit build and I'm getting the F-16 ICP also. I already have 2 WinWing throttles one with the F-15EX grips and one with the F-16 Grip and have the F-16EX stick and Orion 2 stick base with extension as a centre mounted stick but also getting the F-16 based force sensing Orion 2 stick base to be side mounted just like the real F-16. My overall impressions of all the WinWing kit I have is that for the price point there is nothing better, you can go VKB or Virpil and these are also great bits of kit for their price points Virpil being slightly more expensive, but it's WinWings military look that I personally love, as DCS is my bread and butter when it comes to Flight sims. Yes I do have MSFS 2020 but it's more of a side sim for checking out places in the world i will probably never go to in real life. So WinWings kit being military based in looks is what I'm going for. I myself have not had any issues with faulty products and the kit I have feels Quality and has had no issues and I know many DCS pilots that have had some of their earlier products for years and are still good as new but I do know of one that has had an issue and I know that just like all other manufacturers they WinWing aren't perfect and some people do receive items that have issues (Thrustmaster, Logitech VKB and Virpil all do have faulty products that get past Quality control checks) and I'm not going to gloss over the fact that their customer support being based in China and not having any local support at their new world wide distribution points is bad at the moment, but they do their best to help by trying to get you to fix any issues with products you might receive yourself in your own home or correcting any software issues by directly connecting to your own PC via network connection, So they do make an effort here but if not fixable you are looking at arranging an RMA return which means sending it to China (at your own cost) not the local distributor warehouse you got it from, before getting a new item sent out as replacement. So you are looking at possibly weeks of not having your kit if you are unlucky enough to have received a faulty product that cannot be fixed at your house by you or over the network. This current solution for customer service is pretty poor, hopefully they will look at getting worldwide based depots that can actually deal with any faulty products via and RMA in days by having you send any faulty products to the local distribution point and getting a replacement sent out from there and get any issues dealt with in a few days rather than week at you own very expensive cost sending it back to China! All that said, this is my only concern with WinWing at the moment. They have consistently listened to the Consumers and updated their products looks and functionality since launching into the consumer Flight Sim market and seem to be focused on bringing a consistently better, improved and varied product lines to us all the time unlike some other manufacturers that have got stuck in a time loop (Looking at you Thrustmaster) and are still pushing products that are over 10 years old at prices that are ridiculous for products that haven't been up dated in decades.
Their SimApp pro is a little frustrating to work with (because if it works). I recommend to read up on general usage and forum posts of experiences using that software first.
Great review, Jon. I love the comparison with the real thing. Too bad they didn't let you take them to the flight line. I'm glad you're enjoying WinWing's products! 🙂
I don't know if I should thank you or curse you. I didn't realize how easy setting these up would be. Now I am seriously considering buying, LOL. Great video by the way.
Hello just got some and should be in tomorrow. I'm super excited for them. Did you have to load the firmware on the mfd separately or did you have both plugged in, thanks
I've been looling for a MFD solution for the past week. This seems like the most solid solution without having to rig something up. I'm about to drop some $$ I guess haha
I have the 1st generation WW F-18 panels & they still work flawlessly after 3 years. I ordered the ICP last week, it should arrive in 2-3 weeks... It should fit nicely between the Thrustmaster MFD's. I used to export the displays to Fire HD8 tablets & had the darkness issue so I stopped exporting. Also the tablets weren't any bigger than the cockpit displays on a 50" screen so it was a lot of faff for no real gain, other than It looked cool as F!
Just a week ago I got the whole Winwing package, three MFD's, ICP, and UFC. Quality of the hardware is decent indeed and I have no complaints, but software still needs a lot of love. :D Switching screen exports between F-16 and F-18 needs a game restart which is a tad annoying, but with the third screen on F-16 displaying just HSI, it is not such a big deal to fly always in the F-18 configuration.
@dimitrischristoulakis5367 you can use CRS and HDG toggle switches that are on the ICP, yes. I had to manually set the bindings in the F-16 but they work.
I went with Simgears ICP as I am in VR and needed something more real life to scale. the Only issue with the Winwing for VR is the ICP at the top. I have lots of other Winwing gear and love it. Wish they had done something more like they did with the F18 stuff
@@mykey39 Wonder how many others? I tried to make them aware of the issue, but was basically told ot was my fault I had broken it. Very bad customer service. Great product apart from that though.
Tip for mapping keybinds: you can using the winwing app you can download others keybinds. So when I swapped between aircraft I had no setup as I used someone else keybinds.
I bet there are quite a difference in price compared to Simgear F-16 ICP PRO, I also believe there is a huge difference in build and quality as well.. The first thing I saw watching this review were the extremely mushy buttons and especially the dobber, which is everything for a product like this.
Thank you so much for making this video because without it I would not have been able to install them (two left hands and only one brain half). The DED did not get exported to my ICP but I found the solution in the forums and it has to do with the export lua file. Then I could not figure out how to display the L and R MFD video because I use 2 monitors for DCS: the left one shows the view at 10 o’clock and the monitor in front of me shows the adjacent main 12 o’clock view and instrument panel. SimAppPro put the main instrument panel on the bezel between monitor 1 and 2 so the view was cut in half. I had to edit the monitor config lua file and select this one in DCS and ignore the SimAppPro warnings that it was not setup correctly. It took me an entire day to figure that one out.
i have been eyeing these for a long long time. I don tthink i would have the desk space for everything, and for the time being Im using an old fire tablet for the f15 and f18 ufc and mfds. good review
I could get a one side by side comparison with a block 30/32 F-16. I’m looking forward to getting one of these. I have a 15 button stream deck and it works ok, but this would be so much better.
You can get just the MFD buttons without the screen here - winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=402 Or you can get the full F-16 MIP VR setup (Which comes without the screens) - winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=548
I have the issue of either simapp not recognizing the extend mode of my laptop Or Windows not staying in extend mode (even though the mfds are extending like it would) Currently with razer and winwing support but neither seem to have an idea how to fix it. Any chance you have some insights?
Hi, any chance to make a tutorial about how to properly drop 2 GBU 38 when on 1 station (load), both at the same time targeting 2 different targets? it is in one of the Gamblers mission 8 or 9... on the power plant against 3 triple A.... thx, and keep up the good job ;) I was expecting you to do all the missions on Gamblers but can not find them just yet... I guess holidays? take care ;)
@@BogeyDope I understand, Thank you for letting me know, mutch more easier now to know what to do if i am going to make a flight sim or a space sim, again thank you.
Yo Bogey!!! your under 1 min vids back in the day got me dropping targets instantly without being confused... i spent soooooo much time off and on to the point i lost interest in DCS till ur vids starting hitting my feed back then. I dont play much anymore since i have to move everything all the time but hope to get a permanent setup one day... till then tho im curious if u would ever review other product brands. Moza Sim has a force feedback base that seem pretty cool. Maybe they could send u a demo to try out and see if its legit or gimmicky, i wouldnt mind swapping out my Virpl bases for a couple of those if they match expectations
@@MMORPG87 I would love to review a moza stick. I talked with their sales guy at the flight sim expo this year. Never got a response. Sent an email after. Still no response. Soooo..... Im not cool enough I guess. Haha. If they send me one to review I'll review it. I would really like to. My experience with it at the expo was less than good though. But I didn't feel they had it really ready for use yet. Lot of stuff wasn't working at their booth. So I don't think my thoughts while at their booth at the expo are an accurate review. I'd like to review their released version. We'll see.
Good to see this is compatible with DCS and BMS, I fly both. I do think it is neet however it looks like some work. What does it do when you fly other planes?
it depends on the plane and how dcs exports data to the screens. winwing writes a small lua script to place the mfd's where they belong, so some other aircraft hook into that at times and display things on the mfd's, but it might not be the correct thing displayed. The buttons all work, it's just a fancy button box, but the screens either go black or have weird sections on them. it also jacks up your kneeboards. You'll have to either run a script to resize them to be accurate again, or manually resize them every time you respawn. The script can break certain multiplayer servers, but it's the easiest way to do it. A minor problem worth dealing with for the amazing immersion of the MiP. I couldn't fly without it anymore!
@@cerberus0351 thanks for the detailed response cerberus VR and this icp may be down the road for me, but it is good to see all of these flight sim advances.
Bogey, can we get a link to a download of your TrackIR profile? I am really struggling with my view 'bouncing' and 'jiggling' when trying to hold still. Yours seems really smooth.
There are typically USB ports on the front of a computer case that are just part of the case. It is recommended that you plug these into the USB ports in the back that are directly soldered to the MB.
@@BillytheSimfarmer 2 per MFD, and 1 for the ICP. So 5 if you get the full kit. If you do not have that many USB ports in the back of your PC (I don't either), you will need to purchase a powered USB hub. I bought a very large 16port hub because I have a bunch of other stuff too.
@@BillytheSimfarmer This is the one I have, and I've had it for about 5 months as of now, and it's doing well for me so far. - www.amazon.com/dp/B07JM9ZFFV?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share&th=1
@@TheKurgen if you want sort of a Swiss Army Knife version of the ICP, and you're going to use it? Yes. I have a page set up just to do common windows tasks like switching default sound from speakers to headset to VR. That's just one button. Put in the setup, and you can map starting up every aircraft in DCS to buttons on it. It's amazingly versatile, and since you can nest menus within menus, you can't run out of buttons. It's worth the money if you're going to put in the time to set it up. And it's pretty intuitive to set up. You just have to do it for every aircraft.
Thanks for this review. I do not practise English every day so i have a question regarding the ICP. Could someone confirm me that every button/rotator on the ICP is mapped automatically in DCS? Thank you
i watched your video many times i did exacly the same, but when i stick the mfd's usb in my pc motherboard i do not get green light the buttons and the mfd's do not show up in Simapppro? Some help maybe? Winwing customer service is very bad they do not answer...
@ I finally found the sollussion, after 4 hours i disabled the mfd and found out that i stick the usb c in the wrong hole lol 😂😂 getting old. The mfd has an usb and a usb c but the button window has also an usb c ad the back so i stick the usb c in that hole and it worked 🕺
@@BillytheSimfarmer You are unable to bind the buttons? Keep in mind, this is not plug and play. Once you have it setup and drivers installed and ready to go, you still have to bind the buttons in the keybinds page.
You may be waiting years yet for that export fix...I've had screens I won't use and have been waiting. It's not so bad but night time missions were unbearable. I see the blue hue is present in winwings displays, that has to be a DCS issue as well.
Thank you for your review. But a lot of people had Bad experiences with Winwing After-sales services which didnt want to manage issues with hardware under warranty 😠. Some hardware had mechinal issue (internal parts that break ONLY after 2-3 months of normal use 😢😠😤) but Winwing After-sales service reply that the they did thousands of tests before selling hardware. So issues come from customers who do not use the hadware in a normal way. So some people spent hundreds of euros in hardware which becomes unsuable only After a few months. Winwing had now Bad reputation around me (french DCS ans BMS community)
@@checkyoursix7401 This is an experience that you've had personally? Or you are passing on something you've heard from someone you know personally? Or the "Lot of people" is something you've heard elsewhere and are passing along? I have not had this experience. I have been using my hardware heavily for more than 3months without issue. I have quite a few other people whom I fly with who also have not had that experience at all. I'm sure that issues have come up with hardware, as all companies (even the highest quality ones) are bound to run up against faulty hardware here and there. However, my personal experience, and those whom I fly with who have WinWing hardware, have not experienced such things. This is not to say WinWing hardware never fails. All products from any company, if mass produced, have a percentage of faulty shipments. And if said company has enough faulty shipments that it outweighs the good ones, it effects their reputation and they lose sales. But, I have not heard of, nor experienced this with WinWing yet. I hope I don't, because that would be a big disappointment.
@@BogeyDope hello, I belong to a community of French-speaking players grouped together within an internet forum (several thousand registered players including a significant number of former soldiers from the french air force and french navy) and more in addition, more people are coming forward to tell about their misadventures with Winwing (equipment failure only After 2-3 months of usage and after-sales service response). In Europe, the warranty is 2 years and Winwing had difficulty accepting it. Some people of our community even reported their mishaps on Reddit, and they told us that Winwing had contacted them that they were finally going to do something on the condition of deleting the posts posted on Reddit. As a result of the behavior of Winwing, we feel that a certain anger arises towards Winwing and some people advise against purchasing Winwing equipment. It would be better to invest in equipment that is more reliable over time, even if you have to pay a little more for it.
@@checkyoursix7401 That's unfortunate. I'm sorry your group is having that experience. I hope WinWing is correcting that permanently, if that's the case. Hopefully it doesn't become the norm.
17:52 its cheap as plastic mold is made and without buttons just mushy rubber pads. yes thats cheap lol. only real is real switches that are just real switches. very cheap ones LOL
Need info: can i use this MFD1 (with display monitor) for DCS helicopters like KA-50 abris , navi (and the other screen for search and destroy enemie tanks) and also for Apache 64 ? somebody try this?
Welcome to the physical ICP club. It makes a ton of difference
I'm glad I ran across this. I have DCS, but I never use it because I got spoiled using real controls in real aircraft simulators. (Short backstory: I worked on Navy full motion flight sims for several years. After 4000+ hours flying them, I can't stand to fly anything with fake and incomplete controls. My eyes were not good enough to become an F-16 pilot, so my fallback was being an engineer.) I now know that when I buy these, they will work as I expect (I never expected to find inexpensive modules that looked and felt exactly like the real thing.)
As well, my grandson wants to be a pilot. He's in 4th grade, is extremely smart, and has good eyesight. It might be time to get him started, and this helps a lot.
These also work in Falcon BMS. Well, the MFD's do. I don't have the ICP yet but it is next on my list. And I was an F-16 crew chief as well. Worked on the BLK 32s, 42s and we were bringing in the BLK 50 when I was getting out.
my 3d printed ICP works fine and I don't see why the winwing one wouldn't work since the only difference would be the need to export the DED screen.
ICP works in Falcon BMS as well.
ICP and MFD are working fine in BMS!
Simapp does not!
I used Helios to export the screens and Falcon Loader to asign the keys.
But after that, everything is working perfectly! 🤗
Thanks for your video, I was tempted and ordered the ICP WinWing. I've just received it and frankly the product is of very good quality. It's very pleasant to fly with it and the settings are really easy (I fly on BMS). After this first successful test, I'm now thinking of ordering MFDs, because they really change the flying experience. 😉
Very detailed & helpful - thanks. I got the Viper MIP with the LCD screens even though I'm using VR because... it's cool and I hate money.
Thanks for the shout out for my reshade video!
@@theittyreport Thanks for the tutorial!
@BogeyDope right back at you! I've learned tons from others on RUclips so it feels good to give back
Been away from the hobby for a while, just watched this today. Another awesome video. Thank you!
I was looking into the MFDs earlier this year and decided against it due to the complexity (to me, anyway) install process. Looks like WinWing really streamlined it…I think even I could figure it out now. Thanks again for the walk through. Take care.
The full F-18 MIP is on my list for my cockpit build and I'm getting the F-16 ICP also. I already have 2 WinWing throttles one with the F-15EX grips and one with the F-16 Grip and have the F-16EX stick and Orion 2 stick base with extension as a centre mounted stick but also getting the F-16 based force sensing Orion 2 stick base to be side mounted just like the real F-16.
My overall impressions of all the WinWing kit I have is that for the price point there is nothing better, you can go VKB or Virpil and these are also great bits of kit for their price points Virpil being slightly more expensive, but it's WinWings military look that I personally love, as DCS is my bread and butter when it comes to Flight sims. Yes I do have MSFS 2020 but it's more of a side sim for checking out places in the world i will probably never go to in real life. So WinWings kit being military based in looks is what I'm going for.
I myself have not had any issues with faulty products and the kit I have feels Quality and has had no issues and I know many DCS pilots that have had some of their earlier products for years and are still good as new but I do know of one that has had an issue and I know that just like all other manufacturers they WinWing aren't perfect and some people do receive items that have issues (Thrustmaster, Logitech VKB and Virpil all do have faulty products that get past Quality control checks) and I'm not going to gloss over the fact that their customer support being based in China and not having any local support at their new world wide distribution points is bad at the moment, but they do their best to help by trying to get you to fix any issues with products you might receive yourself in your own home or correcting any software issues by directly connecting to your own PC via network connection, So they do make an effort here but if not fixable you are looking at arranging an RMA return which means sending it to China (at your own cost) not the local distributor warehouse you got it from, before getting a new item sent out as replacement.
So you are looking at possibly weeks of not having your kit if you are unlucky enough to have received a faulty product that cannot be fixed at your house by you or over the network. This current solution for customer service is pretty poor, hopefully they will look at getting worldwide based depots that can actually deal with any faulty products via and RMA in days by having you send any faulty products to the local distribution point and getting a replacement sent out from there and get any issues dealt with in a few days rather than week at you own very expensive cost sending it back to China!
All that said, this is my only concern with WinWing at the moment. They have consistently listened to the Consumers and updated their products looks and functionality since launching into the consumer Flight Sim market and seem to be focused on bringing a consistently better, improved and varied product lines to us all the time unlike some other manufacturers that have got stuck in a time loop (Looking at you Thrustmaster) and are still pushing products that are over 10 years old at prices that are ridiculous for products that haven't been up dated in decades.
Their SimApp pro is a little frustrating to work with (because if it works). I recommend to read up on general usage and forum posts of experiences using that software first.
This video convinced me to get the ICP/MFD setup. Great review!
Great review, Jon. I love the comparison with the real thing. Too bad they didn't let you take them to the flight line. I'm glad you're enjoying WinWing's products! 🙂
I don't know if I should thank you or curse you. I didn't realize how easy setting these up would be. Now I am seriously considering buying, LOL. Great video by the way.
I finish icp and mfds setup right now and it's awesome.
Hello just got some and should be in tomorrow. I'm super excited for them. Did you have to load the firmware on the mfd separately or did you have both plugged in, thanks
@@iammorpheus7345 i update firmware watch video
As always - straight to the point, detailed and easy to understand. Love your reviews, thank you!!🙏
wow, that set is so awesome. thank you for review.
Jest got my wineing mfd , works great , out of the box, very happy .
Thanks Bogey, planing to get this. Good to have your expirience.
As always great video review, thank you !
I've been looling for a MFD solution for the past week. This seems like the most solid solution without having to rig something up. I'm about to drop some $$ I guess haha
On the road map!
I have the 1st generation WW F-18 panels & they still work flawlessly after 3 years. I ordered the ICP last week, it should arrive in 2-3 weeks... It should fit nicely between the Thrustmaster MFD's. I used to export the displays to Fire HD8 tablets & had the darkness issue so I stopped exporting. Also the tablets weren't any bigger than the cockpit displays on a 50" screen so it was a lot of faff for no real gain, other than It looked cool as F!
Just a week ago I got the whole Winwing package, three MFD's, ICP, and UFC. Quality of the hardware is decent indeed and I have no complaints, but software still needs a lot of love. :D Switching screen exports between F-16 and F-18 needs a game restart which is a tad annoying, but with the third screen on F-16 displaying just HSI, it is not such a big deal to fly always in the F-18 configuration.
does the simapp pro allow for setting HSI on the F16? Cause it says engine on the layout
@dimitrischristoulakis5367 you can use CRS and HDG toggle switches that are on the ICP, yes. I had to manually set the bindings in the F-16 but they work.
@@DavidKlasinc I was asking about the instrument itself, not switches.
I went with Simgears ICP as I am in VR and needed something more real life to scale. the Only issue with the Winwing for VR is the ICP at the top. I have lots of other Winwing gear and love it. Wish they had done something more like they did with the F18 stuff
The SimGears ICP is excellent, especially the Dobber switch they use.
Only issue I had was the Dobber switch on my unit wore out fairly quickly. Be great to hear how this goes after a few months..
I know another person that had an issue with the dobber as well. It seemed to get off center somehow. This sounds like a potential design flaw.
@@mykey39 Wonder how many others? I tried to make them aware of the issue, but was basically told ot was my fault I had broken it. Very bad customer service. Great product apart from that though.
@@TheKurgen That's a good question. I guess I will find out when I buy one.
Tip for mapping keybinds: you can using the winwing app you can download others keybinds. So when I swapped between aircraft I had no setup as I used someone else keybinds.
Great review
I bet there are quite a difference in price compared to Simgear F-16 ICP PRO, I also believe there is a huge difference in build and quality as well.. The first thing I saw watching this review were the extremely mushy buttons and especially the dobber, which is everything for a product like this.
The SimGears one is excellent, and you’re right about the Dobber, it’s an excellent switch compared to the WinWing one.:
Thank you so much for making this video because without it I would not have been able to install them (two left hands and only one brain half). The DED did not get exported to my ICP but I found the solution in the forums and it has to do with the export lua file. Then I could not figure out how to display the L and R MFD video because I use 2 monitors for DCS: the left one shows the view at 10 o’clock and the monitor in front of me shows the adjacent main 12 o’clock view and instrument panel. SimAppPro put the main instrument panel on the bezel between monitor 1 and 2 so the view was cut in half. I had to edit the monitor config lua file and select this one in DCS and ignore the SimAppPro warnings that it was not setup correctly. It took me an entire day to figure that one out.
Thanks, Nice review.
i have been eyeing these for a long long time. I don tthink i would have the desk space for everything, and for the time being Im using an old fire tablet for the f15 and f18 ufc and mfds. good review
10:17 good advice for all young men out there
I could get a one side by side comparison with a block 30/32 F-16. I’m looking forward to getting one of these. I have a 15 button stream deck and it works ok, but this would be so much better.
I’d love the physical touch of those minus the screens for my VR play. Trying to find my mouse cursor had gotten me whammied many, many times
You can get just the MFD buttons without the screen here - winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=402
Or you can get the full F-16 MIP VR setup (Which comes without the screens) - winwingsim.com/view/goods-details.html?id=548
interresting may get these...
Sweet! Can't have enough buttons!
Cool!
could you use them MFD's for the apache as well
The apache is listed in WinWing's app for the MFD screens, and the buttons are bindable regardless of airframe, so yes.
I have the issue of either simapp not recognizing the extend mode of my laptop
Or
Windows not staying in extend mode (even though the mfds are extending like it would)
Currently with razer and winwing support but neither seem to have an idea how to fix it.
Any chance you have some insights?
Could the screens be used for say a320 or 737 screens?
Hi, any chance to make a tutorial about how to properly drop 2 GBU 38 when on 1 station (load), both at the same time targeting 2 different targets? it is in one of the Gamblers mission 8 or 9... on the power plant against 3 triple A.... thx, and keep up the good job ;) I was expecting you to do all the missions on Gamblers but can not find them just yet... I guess holidays? take care ;)
I'm ready for the FFB base. Day one purchase for me!
How many cables do you have coming out of that?
The ICP just one. The MFDs, two cables each.
Hi, I just have a question ? Do the MFD setup work with any sim games and space games ?
@@Venom2238 Currently, the only games supported within WinWings software are, DCS and BMS.
@@BogeyDope I understand, Thank you for letting me know, mutch more easier now to know what to do if i am going to make a flight sim or a space sim, again thank you.
Yo Bogey!!! your under 1 min vids back in the day got me dropping targets instantly without being confused... i spent soooooo much time off and on to the point i lost interest in DCS till ur vids starting hitting my feed back then. I dont play much anymore since i have to move everything all the time but hope to get a permanent setup one day...
till then tho im curious if u would ever review other product brands.
Moza Sim has a force feedback base that seem pretty cool. Maybe they could send u a demo to try out and see if its legit or gimmicky, i wouldnt mind swapping out my Virpl bases for a couple of those if they match expectations
@@MMORPG87 I would love to review a moza stick. I talked with their sales guy at the flight sim expo this year. Never got a response. Sent an email after. Still no response. Soooo..... Im not cool enough I guess. Haha. If they send me one to review I'll review it. I would really like to.
My experience with it at the expo was less than good though. But I didn't feel they had it really ready for use yet. Lot of stuff wasn't working at their booth. So I don't think my thoughts while at their booth at the expo are an accurate review. I'd like to review their released version. We'll see.
Good to see this is compatible with DCS and BMS, I fly both. I do think it is neet however it looks like some work. What does it do when you fly other planes?
it depends on the plane and how dcs exports data to the screens. winwing writes a small lua script to place the mfd's where they belong, so some other aircraft hook into that at times and display things on the mfd's, but it might not be the correct thing displayed. The buttons all work, it's just a fancy button box, but the screens either go black or have weird sections on them.
it also jacks up your kneeboards. You'll have to either run a script to resize them to be accurate again, or manually resize them every time you respawn. The script can break certain multiplayer servers, but it's the easiest way to do it.
A minor problem worth dealing with for the amazing immersion of the MiP. I couldn't fly without it anymore!
@@cerberus0351 thanks for the detailed response cerberus VR and this icp may be down the road for me, but it is good to see all of these flight sim advances.
@@callsignnictmere465 I agree 100%! Glad I could help 😃
Bogey, can we get a link to a download of your TrackIR profile? I am really struggling with my view 'bouncing' and 'jiggling' when trying to hold still. Yours seems really smooth.
Sure! You can find it here at the bottom of the page - www.bogeydope.net/my-setup
@@BogeyDope Thank you!
Question: What do you mean connect directly to your motherboard? Is there no usb?
There are typically USB ports on the front of a computer case that are just part of the case. It is recommended that you plug these into the USB ports in the back that are directly soldered to the MB.
So i can plug the usb’s at the back of my pc? that would be six usb’s ?
@@BillytheSimfarmer 2 per MFD, and 1 for the ICP. So 5 if you get the full kit. If you do not have that many USB ports in the back of your PC (I don't either), you will need to purchase a powered USB hub. I bought a very large 16port hub because I have a bunch of other stuff too.
@@BogeyDope you have a suggestion for a good hub?? Thx
@@BillytheSimfarmer This is the one I have, and I've had it for about 5 months as of now, and it's doing well for me so far. - www.amazon.com/dp/B07JM9ZFFV?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share&th=1
The Stream Deck XL is far more utilitarian for me. Those MFDs, though.
Those are smexy.
Have been thinking of getting a stream deck, is it worth it?
@@TheKurgen if you want sort of a Swiss Army Knife version of the ICP, and you're going to use it?
Yes.
I have a page set up just to do common windows tasks like switching default sound from speakers to headset to VR.
That's just one button.
Put in the setup, and you can map starting up every aircraft in DCS to buttons on it.
It's amazingly versatile, and since you can nest menus within menus, you can't run out of buttons.
It's worth the money if you're going to put in the time to set it up.
And it's pretty intuitive to set up. You just have to do it for every aircraft.
@@TheKurgen Oh. If you do VR exclusively, it's useless. ;)
@@Slaintemaith No VR, was thinking of like a multi purpose button box to mainly do away with the keyboard.
@@TheKurgen it’s perfect for that.
setup video next?
Thanks for this review. I do not practise English every day so i have a question regarding the ICP. Could someone confirm me that every button/rotator on the ICP is mapped automatically in DCS? Thank you
No, they are not automatically mapped, you have to go onto ajust controls to map them manually.
i watched your video many times i did exacly the same, but when i stick the mfd's usb in my pc motherboard i do not get green light the buttons and the mfd's do not show up in Simapppro? Some help maybe? Winwing customer service is very bad they do not answer...
@@BillytheSimfarmer are you using a regular PC or a laptop?
@ I finally found the sollussion, after 4 hours i disabled the mfd and found out that i stick the usb c in the wrong hole lol 😂😂 getting old. The mfd has an usb and a usb c but the button window has also an usb c ad the back so i stick the usb c in that hole and it worked 🕺
but in game i found out that the ICP panel buttons not working?
@@BillytheSimfarmer You are unable to bind the buttons? Keep in mind, this is not plug and play. Once you have it setup and drivers installed and ready to go, you still have to bind the buttons in the keybinds page.
@ ok so the mfd’s is plug and play but the icp i have to bind the buttons right?
You may be waiting years yet for that export fix...I've had screens I won't use and have been waiting. It's not so bad but night time missions were unbearable. I see the blue hue is present in winwings displays, that has to be a DCS issue as well.
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But do the rollers have a detent?
No. No detent.
@@BogeyDope awwwwww so close. Lol im still gonna get one lol
It's a shame that SimApp pro was/is so bad I haven't touched my F18 MIP I got from WW in over a year now.
Is the ICP is same as UFC ???
@@sniper_gamer_55Yes. The Navy calls there's the UFC.
@@BogeyDope ohhh thats why I remember I've watched operator drewski's video on the F/A-18c a while ago, he used the UFC term.
After a year the mfd buttons deteriorated to the point of not Being functional. Aside from that everything else worked great
Thank you for your review. But a lot of people had Bad experiences with Winwing After-sales services which didnt want to manage issues with hardware under warranty 😠. Some hardware had mechinal issue (internal parts that break ONLY after 2-3 months of normal use 😢😠😤) but Winwing After-sales service reply that the they did thousands of tests before selling hardware. So issues come from customers who do not use the hadware in a normal way. So some people spent hundreds of euros in hardware which becomes unsuable only After a few months. Winwing had now Bad reputation around me (french DCS ans BMS community)
@@checkyoursix7401 This is an experience that you've had personally? Or you are passing on something you've heard from someone you know personally? Or the "Lot of people" is something you've heard elsewhere and are passing along? I have not had this experience. I have been using my hardware heavily for more than 3months without issue. I have quite a few other people whom I fly with who also have not had that experience at all. I'm sure that issues have come up with hardware, as all companies (even the highest quality ones) are bound to run up against faulty hardware here and there. However, my personal experience, and those whom I fly with who have WinWing hardware, have not experienced such things. This is not to say WinWing hardware never fails. All products from any company, if mass produced, have a percentage of faulty shipments. And if said company has enough faulty shipments that it outweighs the good ones, it effects their reputation and they lose sales. But, I have not heard of, nor experienced this with WinWing yet. I hope I don't, because that would be a big disappointment.
@@BogeyDope hello, I belong to a community of French-speaking players grouped together within an internet forum (several thousand registered players including a significant number of former soldiers from the french air force and french navy) and more in addition, more people are coming forward to tell about their misadventures with Winwing (equipment failure only After 2-3 months of usage and after-sales service response). In Europe, the warranty is 2 years and Winwing had difficulty accepting it. Some people of our community even reported their mishaps on Reddit, and they told us that Winwing had contacted them that they were finally going to do something on the condition of deleting the posts posted on Reddit.
As a result of the behavior of Winwing, we feel that a certain anger arises towards Winwing and some people advise against purchasing Winwing equipment. It would be better to invest in equipment that is more reliable over time, even if you have to pay a little more for it.
@@checkyoursix7401 That's unfortunate. I'm sorry your group is having that experience. I hope WinWing is correcting that permanently, if that's the case. Hopefully it doesn't become the norm.
17:52 its cheap as plastic mold is made and without buttons just mushy rubber pads. yes thats cheap lol. only real is real switches that are just real switches. very cheap ones LOL
Looking forward to my next tax return.
simgears icp is even better..
At double the price (or more…), but I guess you get what you paid for. 🤷🏼♂️
Agreed
Need info: can i use this MFD1 (with display monitor) for DCS
helicopters like KA-50 abris , navi (and the other screen for
search and destroy enemie tanks) and also for Apache 64 ? somebody try this?
You can set the MFDs up for the AH-64 and KA-50. I use them for the AH-64 all the time and there's options in the SIMAPPPro to set it up for KA-50
@@OviWanKenovi ok thanks for info