Something interesting happens when this Lied is taken at so slow a tempo. The anger that one hears in so many performances vanishes completely; and in its place come great and generous pity and sorrow. I wouldn't like to hear this song performed always in this manner; but the change reveals another (entirely valid) aspect of this wonderful composition.
Actually I heard that Siepi had great high A, and it's seem to be true, since his high F and F-sharp were effortless, unstrained and rich. Probably he decided not to take risk and do show-off.
Basses are expected to have at least a G and on the lower end at least an E. It is NOT set in stone that you only need two octaves of F2 to F4; that's the choral classifed range for the bass voice.
@@deadwalke9588 I don't know who told you that but it's definitely not expected for a real bass soloist to "have at least a G" that's just not true. You are expected to have an F as there are still plenty of roles that have f as the acuto but generally it doesn't go higher than that. There are some exceptions like the laughter in Vous qui faites lendormie in Faust but that's not really "sung" in a proper way. And as a real bass you should have a low D ready for roles like Osmin. The range you are describing goes more into the direction of bass-baritone. Still I'd say most bass roles in standard rep range between the low E and the high F.
Alex von Vereshchak In opera it is possible, but not in chamber music. He 's a professional and he may have had those notes, but what quality? In this style it was impossible
This is the most beautiful rendition of 'Ich grolle nicht' that I have heard in my life. It made my cry...and Cesare Siepi's German was excellent!!!...He was unquestionable second only to Chaliapin!!!...Adrien J. Alpendre PhD (Tulane University, New Orleans, Louisiana)
German is... okay. One understands him very well, but some more or less major pronunciation mistakes occur. Apart from that, at 1:30, "Und sah die Schlang die dir am Herzen frisst"... I prefer - let's say Wunderlichs - high note there, to not dramatise this part is not very clever to me... I clearly prefer Wunderlichs Version, this is way too slow for me.
Siepi war wirklich weltklasse. Er hat zwar hier Probleme mit den Lauten, ist aber immer noch um Längen besser als manch andere seiner italienischen Kollegen. Deutsch ist für jeden schwer zu lernen, wenn er kein Deutscher ist. zum Glück kann ich mir das sparen.
@TheVanya1900 I do prefer Fischer-Dieskau too for Lieder. Fischer-Dieskau is a class of it's own, true. But Cesare Siepi does a very good job here (it's LIVE!), and - he had the smoothest, most roaring, most appealing bass voice that I ever heard. My father was so lucky having heard this rather short, little man live... I was too young, and now this splendid man has passed away. What nobility!
@@KaterMurr22 Da verwechselt jemand Siepi mit Gottlob Frick, die ich beide sehr gut kannte. Frick persönlich seit 1967 in München und Siepi seit 1974 in Genua.
@@achmedmohamed4708 Ja, natürlich haben Sie recht, danke für Ihre Antwort! Hans Hotter habe ich viele Male in München erlebt, Cesare Siepi leider nur einmal live, 1963, bei der Wiedereröffnung des Nationaltheaters. Er wurde damals vom Publikum mit minutenlangen Standing Ovations gefeiert, nachdem in den Fünfziger Jahren die legendäre Aufführung von Don Giovanni unter Furtwängler als Film viele Jahre lang jeden Sonntag in einem Münchner Kino gezeigt worden war. Allerdings hatte ich das große Glück, 1958 Siepi persönlich in Salzburg zu treffen. Er war "live" genauso umwerfend wie als Don!
@@KaterMurr22 Thank you for your remark. Probably your doubts are true. My father has confounded someone else with Siepi, apparently. Siepi is reported to have been tall ...
Hello.Originally the high notes weren't written by Schumann, they were added by editors doubling the piano forte. There are too many singing masters that advice don't sing that notes, because of the tension must be given from the pianoforte. But really that I'd like so much hear them.
Maybe it's not in absolutly perfect German, but for me his version is the on and only, which give the words a tragic meaning and a real life, uncomparable! Haunting, brilliant, so beautiful I could cry! Rest in Peace, Seniore Siepi...
Something interesting happens when this Lied is taken at so slow a tempo. The anger that one hears in so many performances vanishes completely; and in its place come great and generous pity and sorrow. I wouldn't like to hear this song performed always in this manner; but the change reveals another (entirely valid) aspect of this wonderful composition.
It's really interesting to hear the song in a slow tempo. A completely different character emerges.
Das ist gut. Achso...dafür habe ich extra im Internet nachgeschaut.
So very beautiful.
Actually I heard that Siepi had great high A, and it's seem to be true, since his high F and F-sharp were effortless, unstrained and rich. Probably he decided not to take risk and do show-off.
If you're complaining about the "high note" (the g), clearly you're not familiar with the average vocal range for a bass.
I struggled with that note too
Basses are expected to have at least a G and on the lower end at least an E. It is NOT set in stone that you only need two octaves of F2 to F4; that's the choral classifed range for the bass voice.
@@deadwalke9588 yeah key word: choral. Siepi was a real operatic bass.
@@theodoremcalindon I don't think I said he wasn't though? I acknowledge that Siepi was a basso grande that had an extensive range.
@@deadwalke9588 I don't know who told you that but it's definitely not expected for a real bass soloist to "have at least a G" that's just not true. You are expected to have an F as there are still plenty of roles that have f as the acuto but generally it doesn't go higher than that. There are some exceptions like the laughter in Vous qui faites lendormie in Faust but that's not really "sung" in a proper way. And as a real bass you should have a low D ready for roles like Osmin. The range you are describing goes more into the direction of bass-baritone.
Still I'd say most bass roles in standard rep range between the low E and the high F.
I totally agre with you! ...and as a German I can say is German prunounciation is remarkabky good.
@MartlS87 Yes, thank you for posting Cesare Siepi!!!...Adrien J. Alpendre
Yes. I'm German, too and the little things in his singing, that only a native speaker can hear, aren't that big to mention them.
❤️❤️❤️...
Okay, my English is too bad. But, in german: Vertragen wir uns wieder?
I don´t know, what it is in English ;)
In this composition "high note" is G.For bass it is a really difficult.
Alex von Vereshchak In opera it is possible, but not in chamber music. He 's a professional and he may have had those notes, but what quality? In this style it was impossible
His best ever!!! I apologize for my English
Alex Vereshchak.
G for bass is written only in Götterdämmerung in 3rd act Meineid RÄCHT ich and in Faust the laughing in Vous qui faites l`endormie.
sehr tragisch
Sehr gute Stimme, einwenig zu langsam.
But your German is better? It is: Ich mag ihn mehr, wenn er Englisch singt.
This is the most beautiful rendition of 'Ich grolle nicht' that I have heard in my life. It made my cry...and Cesare Siepi's German was excellent!!!...He was unquestionable second only to Chaliapin!!!...Adrien J. Alpendre PhD (Tulane University, New Orleans, Louisiana)
German is... okay. One understands him very well, but some more or less major pronunciation mistakes occur. Apart from that, at 1:30, "Und sah die Schlang die dir am Herzen frisst"... I prefer - let's say Wunderlichs - high note there, to not dramatise this part is not very clever to me... I clearly prefer Wunderlichs Version, this is way too slow for me.
Does it sound overly morbid to say that, if I were on my deathbed, I would like that to be playing as I drifted off to wherever?
Siepi war wirklich weltklasse. Er hat zwar hier Probleme mit den Lauten, ist aber immer noch um Längen besser als manch andere seiner italienischen Kollegen. Deutsch ist für jeden schwer zu lernen, wenn er kein Deutscher ist. zum Glück kann ich mir das sparen.
Okay, I´m sorry. We get along again?
@Perroquet51 I totally agree with you and...of course, sung by the great Cesare Siepi!!!...Adrien J. Alpendre, PhD
Daca nu te tzine vocea pentru acute, abtzine-te sa mai mutilezi Liedul
...진짜....멋있다....
멋을 아시는군요
@TheVanya1900 I do prefer Fischer-Dieskau too for Lieder. Fischer-Dieskau is a class of it's own, true. But Cesare Siepi does a very good job here (it's LIVE!), and - he had the smoothest, most roaring, most appealing bass voice that I ever heard. My father was so lucky having heard this rather short, little man live... I was too young, and now this splendid man has passed away. What nobility!
Tell me, who was this "rather short little man" your father was listening to???
@@KaterMurr22
Da verwechselt jemand Siepi mit Gottlob Frick, die ich beide sehr gut kannte.
Frick persönlich seit 1967 in München und Siepi seit 1974 in Genua.
@@achmedmohamed4708 Ja, natürlich haben Sie recht, danke für Ihre Antwort! Hans Hotter habe ich viele Male in München erlebt, Cesare Siepi leider nur einmal live, 1963, bei der Wiedereröffnung des Nationaltheaters. Er wurde damals vom Publikum mit minutenlangen Standing Ovations gefeiert, nachdem in den Fünfziger Jahren die legendäre Aufführung von Don Giovanni unter Furtwängler als Film viele Jahre lang jeden Sonntag in einem Münchner Kino gezeigt worden war. Allerdings hatte ich das große Glück, 1958 Siepi persönlich in Salzburg zu treffen. Er war "live" genauso umwerfend wie als Don!
Uuhh - ich meinte natürlich Gottlob Frick!!
@@KaterMurr22 Thank you for your remark. Probably your doubts are true. My father has confounded someone else with Siepi, apparently. Siepi is reported to have been tall ...
Fantastico👍👍👍❤❤❤
Too bad he doesn't sing the high note!
Hello.Originally the high notes weren't written by Schumann, they were added by editors doubling the piano forte. There are too many singing masters that advice don't sing that notes, because of the tension must be given from the pianoforte. But really that I'd like so much hear them.
+José Gabriel Morera Morera On my sheet it's written that Schumann himself added those notes as optional?
Maybe it's not in absolutly perfect German, but for me his version is the on and only, which give the words a tragic meaning and a real life, uncomparable! Haunting, brilliant, so beautiful I could cry!
Rest in Peace, Seniore Siepi...
He is such a great artist