Sex Education 3: Too Much Of A Good Thing
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0:00 Intro
5:00 Breakdown
8:56 Too Many Characters
21:29 Repetitive Storylines
28:35 The Otis & Maeve Problem
35:23 Conclusion
Sex Education
Netflix
Season 3
Maeve
Otis
Eric
Adam
Emma Mackey
Asa Butterfield 
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Adam deserved better.
#JusticeForAdam
@@friendlyspaceninja yes 🥲
For me thats a yes and no, i mean, whareva the reason he had he was still a bully who bullied Eric for years ( that he dated him despite that was already quite bull for me but ok), but taking that out, and the fact that he chose to be with him, it must be frustating to be with someone that doesnt acknowlage you, when you yourself worked so hard to be where you are, but yeah, Adam stole this season, he was freaking amazing, even his father.
Agreed. I felt bad for him and mad at Eric but at the same time I think there’s so many shows, book, movies, etc where “the only 2 gay people in the school get together and stay together because we don’t care to expand upon their romance” kinda vibe and I’d like to see them meet other people. Hopefully they don’t just recycle Raheem to be ‘the other gay’ and have Adam date him.
@@ellabiddy4741 Sorry, but I never understood this argument of "why are they putting the 2 queer people together?" Who are they going to put a gay guy with? A straight one? The only other two alternatives are them not dating anyone (which becomes very hypocritical when a show has plenty of straight couples; to have _them_ have romantic subplots but not the queer characters is kind of homophobic) or the show bringing in a new queer character, which poses a different set of problems: 1. that character often just becomes "the boyfriend" and doesn't have a story of their own besides being there solely to be the other person's partner (in fact, this was kind of the problem with Rahim a lot - in s2 he was just there to be Eric's boyfriend and this season he was also only there to cause tension between Adam and Eric, and then to be Adam's friend) and/or 2. when there's already a lot of characters on a show (which is the case for Sex Ed), it adds yet _another_ person to an already big cast (and everyone's stories suffer for it due to less screentime). It's not strange at all for the only two openly gay people to fall for each other and get together at some point.
Besides, I don't even think Sex Ed is too guilty of this anyway. At the start of the series the only two gay guys that we knew of were Eric and Anwar, but the show _never_ has them get together. They brought Rahim onto the show for the sole purpose of being Eric's boyfriend in s2. Yes, Eric was also with Adam (the other major queer guy on the show) but why are straight main characters allowed to get together and not gay ones because then it's somehow "problematic and cliche?"
If they do it organically and they do it well, I wouldn't mind Adam and Rahim getting together at some point next season. I like the semi-friendship they've formed and if they continue building on it and it develops into something more then that's fine. The other alternative is keeping them single or getting Adam together with a girl (everyone seems to forget this, but he's actually bisexual). But frankly, I don't want to see the queer characters be single while having so many straight couples be together. What kind of a message does that send?
Maeve literally felt like a side character this season when she and otis were the main two in the beginning its crazy
Facts
@@Smilodon_ex the way she playing with his head and heart is .. outstanding
i felt that...
Similar to orange is the new black. Piper is the trojan horse to get us interested, then we get to know all these other characters and she loses the spotlight. It's no longer about Otis and Maeve relationship, it's more than that. Unsure how I personally feel about it.
I don't think it's a bad thing. They didn't have an interesting story to tell this season so took a back seat. Better than trying to make something stupid happen for the sake of it.
I got irritated with this season, because I feel like they took the “sex school” part way too far, it made the show seem less realistic.the whole performance at the end made it seem like a riverdale musical episode
yes, it was forced and the way they got rid of hope seemed so cartoonish. plus it doesnt make sense to me that viv decided to "betray" hope after one or two annoyances about her? i did like her rebellion but it definitely should have been more worked on.
@@estela5973 What you said makes no sense...Hope is constantly showing Viv she doesn't care about the students' freedom or identity throughout the season, even so, Viv holds out the entire season, even when her best friends like Jackson are constantly pressuring her to do something. Finally, she snaps at the end of the season after Hope tells her to her face with all the letters she doesn't care about the students. Your criticism is quite literally false.
@@jjnull8108 it does make sense. it was too sudden. although hope makes it clear to viv that she doesn't care about her students (and viv clearly desaproves that, constantly trying to make changes), viv keeps believing she should stick to her because it'll be beneficial for her, like when she says "shes using me and im using her, thats how you get ahead in life". viv was concerned about the students matters, just not enough to give up on her perfect student reputation. then the next thing they show is her recording her talk with the headmaster in order to ruin her career. like?? one scene of viv reflecting on her actions and deciding her classmate's wellbeing was more important than not getting into trouble would be enough to make her arc a lot more complete.
@@estela5973 But why would you need that scene when Viv is constantly showing her doubts throughout the entire season especially when talking with Jackson. The conversation where you mentioned how she says shes just using Hope just as Hope is using her is exactly the conversation that shows her extreme doubts reaching a breaking point. Jackson convinces her of what she needs to do.
@@jjnull8108 these scenes with jackson could count, but i personally find them incomplete and/or rushed. i wish they explored better what goes inside the character's minds. now that i stopped to think about it, it's not only a viv's problem, maeve's decision to go to the US in the last minutes of the season was abrupt too.
killing Ruby’s entire storyline was the most irritating part of this season.
i was honestly a bit bummed when Otis started dating Ruby but then I grew to really like Ruby AND THEN THEY DID HER DIRTY.... it felt like Otis didn't acknowledge their relationship by the end while going after Maeve
True
literally it had so much potential
AGREEED 10000%
Other than that, this season was perfect and easily the best season thus far. That beautiful ending blew me away; this season was so emotionally wrapped up in a masterful way, I really don't get the distaste people have for it.
I was shocked that Ola and Adam had one scene together. Their friendship was supposed to be a turning point for him and where did it go? They did Ola dirty this season.
That was for him not her but I see wym ig
Too many characters, no need for Cal etc.
i was so upset that we hardly got any Ola and Adam interactions, like the scene where they hugged was so heartwarming to me but there’s nothing that actually shows that they’re friends afterwards
Let's hope that season 4 can redeem all our frustration with finger crossed.
They both started relationships, makes sense. Same thing happened with Otis and Eric, only we had more time beforehand because they're leads
The only thing i don’t like about this season is how they just abandon Ruby after Otis dump her
Exactly bro, I actually liked her and Otis together a lot
Damn legit. She's not talked about at alll in the season after. I just relalized that
Ruby dumped Otis bud Otis tried to sort things out
@@maliamalis6389 he was saying that he doesn’t feel that way atm which is fair cause they legit weren’t dating that long at all, and he said he will probably feel like that soon and he also said we could keep hanging but she just shut up down soo…
@@beauwalsh7137 but at the start of the season, otis was the one who wanted to start that relationship and he said he wanted to get to know her better.
I like that Maureen didn't take back Michael. Even though he was making strides to be a better individual he showed no desire to be a better father, and had no interest in Adam. Maureen taking him back would've made it seem like she didn't care about Adam.
100% agree!! he just wanted maureen back while putting no effort towards showing adam any kind of attention. and he’s never apologized to adam for how badly he’s treated him
Omg true I didn't think about that. I hope in season 4 he really works on his relationship with his son. I love the groffs so much
I feel like they need a chance. I just got my marriage back on track. And it takes time to fix things. I really want Michael to progress with Adam and if it comes naturally get the family healthier again. If they sort their problems out and grow together - they will be way healthier than Jakob and Jean.
Precisely, I have huge respect for Maureen for sticking to her guns, since Michael wasn't always the most attentive to her or Adam. Yay for character development!
@@abbey-6920 Yes, and that's why even though he's progressed a lot, I think he still has some way to go - as you said, to be able to apologize to Adam and work towards making their relationship better and showing he cares about Adam.
My thoughts during this season were "Damn, how did Adam, his Dad, and Ruby become the best characters by far" and then also shedding a tear in that Dog Show scene
Yes, I never thought I'd like any of them ... and now I'm really rooting for all three of them.
To be fair they rewrote Adam's dad and Ruby's characters this season.
@@therabitoshowrulesI think they just finally allowed them growth.
Imagine if you were in love with someone and they left a voicemail apologising for all the drama between you both and declaring their love for you, and someone deleted it, and so you stopped talking to each other for months and drifted apart, with them thinking you ignored the message and you never realising you'd received it . . . if the person who'd deleted it confessed, how would you ever forgive them for that, let alone continue to be romantically involved with them? I don't really think the writers overcame that very well. 'I was just trying to protect you.' Yeh sure, by neutralising a romantic rival you can't compete with - as if anyone would buy that . . . On top of that, putting Ruby and Otis together in the meantime backfired massively because they were too likable as a couple, and so getting her out of the way and getting Otis back with Maeve felt kinda forced.
RIGHT?! Isaac is hot and I liked their witty banter together and the kissing scene but I never want them to be together because of what he did to sabotage her and Otis. That's unforgivable in my eyes and shows Isaac has a controlling tendency whereas Otis isn't like that. Plus like he said in the video, Maeve should realize she does have Otis to trust.
Yesss! It totally backfired!! They didn't expect people loving them like we do.
Also, Maeve deciding to be with Isaac felt uncharacteristic. He invaded her privacy. She doesn't need anyone taking care of her, and she always made that clear. She doesn't like lies. She has trouble trusting people and you're telling me that after he did that she can trust him?? Wtf.
It just doesn't make any sense.
It was just to gain time in the season..
@@Fiammaaa And like, if Isaac was introduced to buddy up to Mave, make her question her feelings for Otis but ultimately get nowhere because of some questionable decisions and Maeve and Otis being OTP, what was the point to any of it?!?! I feel like a character deserves more than to be a conflict catalyst... Isaac didn't really have a personality or purpose in the show outside of Maeve. If they'd put more thought into it, the whole love triangle plotline wouldn't have felt so tired and contrived.
IN a way yes, I thought Ruby and Otis were cute and I loved getting to knew Ruby better I really do think Otis did the "right thing" by not leading Ruby on anymore then he already was. That said the viewers just not seeing Ruby much, or at least how she truly is as a person, was dumb. They got the viewers instated in Ruby's story only throw it to the side. That was just plan mean
Ruby and Otis are like Mondler, two unlikely characters put together in a romantic relationship, who end up then being the best, most likeable and most healthy relationship in the show
My main issue was Eric getting angry at Adam when he changed his mind about having sex and they show acted like Eric was justified.
Yeah now that I think about it that was a really bizarre plot point. Could you imagine if they were a straight couple and they guy got all pissed off the girl wouldn’t have sex
@@chrissyb6647 my thoughts exactly. And then Adam is the one who has to go and apologise!? I mean, WHAT!?
YES
OMG I THOUGHT THAT TOO
FR!!! Eric's character seriously got on my nerves this season and the fact that the show tries to make it seem like he is in the right (or at least a grey area) felt really weird. Hate how the show just?? brushes off eric cheating on adam?? Like they don't make a big deal of it?? Or how Adam is made to apologize even though he didn't do anything wrong? You'd think eric would at least gradually learn to be patient w adams communication struggles but all they do is argue??
You’re all forgetting who deserves better: Rahim. He’s kind, assertive, handsome, understanding, confident, smart, super into literature and poetry and got abandoned by his boyfriend who wanted to be with the guy who bullied him. He never retaliated even then. He deserved better.
I'm hoping they develop his relationship with Adam next time we see him. It doesn't necessarily have to lead to romance, but they were clearly planting seeds for them to get closer as at least friends, so I'm keen to see where they take it.
Right!!!????? All he did this season is literally throwing that shit.
I want to like him on paper but he's just so boring
he was only there to say someting cool
I feel like he’s cool on paper, but he was only added to the show as a love interest. He has a lot of untapped potential as a character.
Two things I took away from it:
1. I would absolutely die for Adam.
2. The Otis/Maeve slow burn was SO slow I got over it and my heart broke for Ruby.
And I watched all of it together. I just started this show a couple weeks ago. I didn’t have to wait and it still felt sooooo slow
Ruby was good for Otis.
Ruby was TOO good for Otis.
There, fixed it.
Same I watched them all together(ish) so watching them drag the Meave/Otis was annoying asf. Especially since I never shipped them for the begging
@@nont18411 Ruby had a lot of issues, so I wouldn't say she was too good. But they were good for each other.
I watched the first video and felt like watching the whole thing again and it’s painful how there relationship just went up, down, left, right without making any progress. It just gets tiring.
I do though think there is alot of potential for a new season (Adam), but it would also be so easy to mess it all up, as we’ve just seen. I hope they get there shit together for the future.
I thought Hope's introduction as a villain was so well done in its subtlety: her assumption that Adam was the Head Boy, not Jackson was an immediate red flag to pick up on. 100% agree that the show wasn't trying to redeem her, rather showing the reasons behind her behaviour so it wasn't just cartoon villainy, and also showing that she is just human even if she is a bit of an awful one
And then they even fucked that up
I really appreciated the scenes near the finale that showed how much pressure she was under. I absolutely disagree with most of her opinions, let alone her methods - but I can see why she did what she did and how in her mind she was trying to do what's best for these kids and their futures.
That woman was a REAL LIFE UMBRIDGE.
I hated her so much. 😡😡😡😡
SAME! As soon as she said that in front of Jackson I got bad vibes ( I was already eyeing her but that solidified it for me!)
In a weird way, the audience hating her means they did something good;
They made a convincingly antagonistic character and it fits perfectly.
It’s sad that Ruby was just used as a device just to delay Otis and Maeve’s get together, something might happen next season but you can see that their relationship is short lived just because Otis needed a love interest that isn’t Maeve, and it’s worse that Ruby was actually well developed. Pooooor Ruby
I think it would be amazing to see ruby and Otis end up together by the end of season 4 since Maeve will be in America for some of the season. It probably won’t happen but I rather see Maeve and Otis as friends at this point for sure.
I honestly was glued to the screen Everytime Otis and Ruby we’re together they have amazing chemistry and it’d love to see the writers show sum balls and write out the stereotype of the main guy ending up with the main girl
I actually disagree I think they were fleshing out ruby's character and I'm sure we're going to see a lot more of her as an individual
@@cat8506 well she practically hasn’t been shown on screen since their relationship, so I doubt it. Probably back to being a secondary character
I don't personally ship Otis and Ruby but their relationship was quite short lived which is a shame. I think if Ruby dumped him because she knew he was still into Maeve maybe after Maeve told him she never heard his message, then him and Maeve _actually_ get together officially and do a long distance thing. It would have been better handled.
That way she gets her character development but doesn't just get thrown away. I hope her and Adam have a good friendship in season 4 and they both get love.
I was the biggest Otis/Maeve shipper and I changed ships so fast in season 3. I fucking loved Ruby and especially Ruby and Otis together. The bowling alley scene was the only thing that really felt like the show in s3
Agreed, Maeve & Otis had fantastic chemistry in the previous seasons imo, but in S3 it was gone somehow.
same here. i’m so tired of the “will they won’t they” trope and seeing a genuinely happy relationship between otis and ruby was so refreshing. i wish the show had kept them together this season and just had otis and maeve explore a platonic relationship and working through the drama and stuff between them.
@@nosuchthingasgoodcows7003 otis wasn't genuinely happen though, being carefree doesn't mean happy, especially since otis wants to care, and help people, this is what he said against his mom, ruby didn't bring that side out of him so she could never make him truly happy
@@ipunchedu8884 true but the thing is you saw ruby starting to change the more she was with otis the nicer she became, slowly. I think they would have been a better version of eric and adam yk?
@@ae831 again that's from ruby's side lol you guys constantly bring up ruby but what did she do for him except sex? basically nothing
Yes, I think Cal is the single most annoying one-dimensional non-person character in the show, almost as if the writers thought that being non-binary means you have no real personality traits... like the lack of gender conformity just swallows up the entire character and replaces everything else
I agree
They tried too hard to push this non binary stuff down the viewers throats. They made it seem like the principal is just every "bigot" out there who doesn't acknowledge their presence. The principal is right though about all these students in general. You're not special, and you need to realize that when you go out into the real world. No one owes you anything nor do they need to do anything to keep you especially comfortable.
Idk man it's kinda accurate a teen that does nothing but smoke weed lol
@@the1337contrarian People are not "right" simply because they support the idea that the world should just continue to be the cruelest version of itself. People DO owe each other basic respect and I'm sick of this condescending bullcrap of _"oooo you're not special no one owes you anything"_ being spewed anytime someone with a marginalized identity dares to want to be treated with basic human dignity.
@@the1337contrarian I think you missed the point of the principal? it’s not that she’s a “bigot”, it’s that she’s performative and that cal challenges her performativity. also, not sure if you’re meant to agree with hope lmao
I disagree that Michael was trying to be a good father. He never made an effort to approach Adam, which was Maureen’s problem with him and why they couldn’t get back together
I think he has accepted that him and maureen can't get back together but hopefully in season 4 he will try and get closer to adam
Yup, that's still a huge part of what he has to change. So far he was only focused on Maureen and on himself. Focusing on his own mental health and what he needs to do to change for the better is good obviously, but you still leave your son entirely dependent on the one (1) friend he has, the occasional other friend and his mum. Like,, c'mon dude that should be such a huge part of your shame and guilt that you wrecked this boy's life the way your dad and brother did to you..
@@thatsdisco Season 3 was just 8 eps yk and micheal got character development towards the end of the season so hopefully maybe the writers will make him get closer to adam in season 4 bcuz in the end I think he accepted that him and maureen can't get back together.
@@daniellaani8454 Oh yea no, absolutely! I love his character, don't get me wrong! I legit also loved his development, but it makes sense to me that Maureen didn't take him back and that he's still got a long way to go, y'know?
@@thatsdisco I agree I liked that she didn't take him back immediately
Adam smiling in the dog competition is honestly the highlight of the season for me
that scene with Ms Sands, so good.
I CRIED
SAME I WAS SO HAPPY FOR ADAM
I cried
Seconded, I was so proud of Adam, in that he found something that he excelled at! 💖
I disagree about Maeve. One of my favorite things about the show is how realistic it is. Coming from a child of an addict, it is a cyclical issue. They come back, try to be better, eventually fall back into old habits and leave again. To love someone experiencing addiction is to learn the same lesson over and over. Her trust issues come from not havi g stable parents. It makes sense that she would continue to relapse back into those insecurities. However I did think the scene with Isaac was bullshit. It makes no sense that she would be mad at Otis and not Isaac. I also didn't like how she was in the background this season. There was a lot to explore with the foster situation and her mom relapsing.
“To love someone experiencing addiction is to learn the same lesson over and over” - you put this SO well. YES! It’s so true and so important to recognise & remember. Thank you for saying something ❤️
Also Maeve goes back to being distrustful not "just because", but because every time after she finally opens up to someone, they fail her (or she feels like she's missed her chance and it's too late, like with Otis)- no wonder she wants to talk herself back into believing that she neither trusts nor wants to trust anyone.
@@AW-uv3cb yess this!!
This show is realistic is some aspects, it's mostly non realistic, remember that
THIS!! I actually felt so incredibly connected to Maeve this season. The anger of her mother... and how Maeve managed to still be kind to her and reach out her hand, that was heartbreaking.
Even with being mad at Otis, I can see how this can be her misplaced anger and self destructive attempt to distance herself from people. Because she is still learning to trust people, even if she has changed, this can be a lifetime thing. I can understand how that learning about the voicemail made her very upset, and she did the thing she has always had to do to survive: push them away
I really like Korean dramas for the fact that they are generally one season. They write it with the intention of having a direct well-developed storyline with a natural ending without dragging it out into unnecessary seasons
That's what I like about them too.
So go watch them crybaby
@@NaFran49 So go watch them crybaby
@@_900_L Oh believe me, I do....lol and I also like Sex Education but it's a fact that so many times great shows spiral downwards because of the necessity to make endless seasons. So the more successful a show the bigger chances are they will end unsatisfactorily because of it, they won't allow the show to end. It has not happened to Sex Education and I hope it doesn't.
@@_900_L You're quite creative when it comes to comments (sarcasm). You've literally copy pasted that. Also I don't understand why another person's opinion would offend you so much ???
They did Eric super dirty this season. He's cheated on both of his boyfriends now. Adam definitely deserves a lot better than this.
I'm glad they broke up. Adam is a bully and the fact that they got together the way did I didn't like it.
Eric is a great friend but a shitty boyfriend.
I think that they made him real. When u are something hided, you feel like something isn't real.
@@summerrose8110 I think the idea was that they were really young
Yup. I'm sorry but the whole thing about wanting to be free and fly doesn't excuse him. He could've done that without hurting Adam (after being a lot more understandable than he was imo), and broken up with him on good terms. It just sets a pattern that Eric cheats on his partners and doesn't even seem to care about it, bc the same happened with Rahim. It just sucks, he was my favorite character
What bothers me most about Eric's infidelity is that he CHOSE to be with Adam over Rahim, a man he 100% knew wasn't fully out or confident in his bisexuality because of years of internalised homophobia and then freaking cheats on Adam because of that.
Also how unbothered he seemed to be over the whole thing. I think he's hilarious and a good friend to Otis, but I'm really hoping they will bring up Eric's behaviour and serial infidelity next season, or at least make him reflect on it.
i kind of realize there is one thing the show tries to stablish in S3, and is that people are not supposed to teach their partner how to be in a gay relationship, or bisexual, non-binary, etc. The thing is i kinda understand Eric's character. I get that cheat on people is not rly a good thing, but that doesn't mean he is a bad person. Cheat on people is not always a capricho (dont know how to say that in eng xd), sometimes is a syntom that you're looking for something else, and that precisly what Eric does this season, he wants to go out, put his make up, be what he wanted to be without hiding of his mother in law pretending he's not doing what he want to do. That's all, srry if i dont get to explain myself clearly
@@martincossio1678 Eric is definitely a bad guy in this situation, no matter how you look at it. He knew about Adam's reservations ; Otis warned him that this would become a problem for him and break someone's heart. He cheated on a guy who is confident in his orientation and a guy who is just beginning to understand himself. However, he never felt the slightest regret or remorse about how he treated any of them because he is too selfish and narcissistic.
I agreeeee, like if Eric wants to mess around with people that's fine but he has an issue with cheating and shouldn't of cheated on Adam
I am also someone who truly believes that their was an issue before someone cheated. Cheating is the symptom of a bigger issue-someone cheating always has more to do with them and where they are at emotionally than the other person involved.
I honestly love Eric but that ending really put me off him. He's now a repeat cheater, and not only that but I didn't fully understand his reasoning for breaking up. Adam had come so far in accepting himself, he was out to just about everyone except his mum by that point. Maybe I just didn't pick up on it, but it really didn't seem like Adam was holding Eric back. Also I totally agree that he seemed to care so little about it, I feel like that made it even worse, I hope he gets some self-reflection next season and that they don't gloss over it.
So happy you mentioned the Otis and Ruby storyline. I loved them together. It would have been way more interesting if the show subverted expectations by sticking to their relationship instead of falling back on the "will they won't they" with Maeve
Yea showwriters usually shoot themselves in the foot for trying to stick to a terrible formula
Agreed. It also would have been more realistic for them to just realize they'd move on from their respective crushes and should embrass a friendship or just, move on from eachother.
@@krose6451yess
I personally was kind of mad at Isaac’s character. Like, he clearly crossed some boundaries by snooping in Maeve’s voicemails and he gets little to no consequences.
Then, he is in some kind of a situation-ship with her, they are not officially romantically involved, and he DARES get mad at her for kissing Otis? To that point? Maeve might not be over what he did, despite what she says. He should be grateful she let him be a part of her life.
the truth is they simply put isaac and maeve together so they could have their disabled sex scene
@@ipunchedu8884
Yeah, I thought that in a bubble that would have been a very tender, heartfelt scene, and does well as a disabled sex scene, but it was messed up by Isaac's being a total double-crosser and my being able to think of nothing but his underhanded stunt at the end of Season 2.
not to mention he's an adult trying to be with a highschool student...
@katherinarchives is his age ever confirmed?
100% this! Not only does he get no consequences for his shitty behaviour he gets rewarded with a (sort of) relationship with Maeve he totally doesn't deserve, which is deeply problematic and extremely unconvincing. Maeve seems more bothered by Otis drunkenly calling her out for being selfish than she is by Isaac being creepy, possessive and massively invasive, betraying her privacy and interfering to stop a crucial romantic opportunity from occurring with the boy she's in love with. And we're supposed to believe she just gets over it and that neither she nor Otis would go and talk to each other all summer? That she wouldn't see she had a missed call from him on her phone? That she would not only forgive Isaac but decide to shag him and get romantically involved with him? And then he has the audacity to act all hurt when the kiss finally happens between her and Otis, which should have happened several months earlier and would have done had he not deliberately gotten in the way? Fuck off. They made Isaac way too unlikeable imho, the guy has no redeeming personality traits, he's just consistently a giant asshole throughout the entire series and a hugely problematic character and it gets totally glossed over.
The character development with Ruby and Adam this season was just incredible. The main 3 fell into the background imo, while minor characters like Ruby, Adam, Jean, Aimee and even Mr. Groff really carried the season. Not my favorite out of the three, but still an incredible show
Mr. Groff's arc in this season was so interesting to watch
I absolutely disagree, we don't even see a climax for Ruby she literally dissapears after having seen otis kiss her. Eric's arc of him cheating on a adam is somehow paraded as something respectful when he literally kissed and slept with a random guy he met. Everything was decently executed but this is byfar the worst season, it's completely different and feels like it didn't rly try anything at all, no innovation and there are some arcs that don't even get closure. Im dissapointed af tbh this was my most hype show of 2021
I guess they dont want those characters to just be in the background, and they saw opportunities to tell with them so they gave them more screen time. And im very happy with that💙
I enjoyed it more than s2 tbh
That's what I adore most about this show, it fleshes out its side characters so brilliantly, and shows that everyone is worthy of redemption.
Another person who deserved better : Steve
He was so understanding throughout Aimee's assault and even long after that
He didn't push her to do things she wasn't comfortable doing, nor once did he blame her for pushing him away or breaking up with him out of the blue
He was sweet, kind and decent throughout the season and I wish they work on his character more in season 4 ❤️
YES honestly their break up felt so random ?? Like instead of going through this difficult phase for Aimee, for some reason they decide to make her break up with him and I didn't get if it was about being physical with each other or their connection in general
He didn't have much to do in S3. He can be cut for S4. He has no connection to the story other than Aimee.
Yes he's the sweetest
He is the best man in the show
@@youngbloods_t yeah I really didn't get the break up. I know Aimee was still struggling after the assault, but Steve wasn't pushing her at all and I thought they were good? I guess their goat was to drop the hints of them not connecting, but outside of the sexual aspect (which again, Steve seemed completely fine with) they still seemed to be getting on well. I can understand Aimee just wanting to be single, but it came out of nowhere.
I loved Ruby, they finally developed her character to the point that she even opened up about her house, family and inner vulnerabilities; only to destroy this immediately just so that Otis and Maeve could be together, all with the subconscious explanation being "Oh they're teenagers, their volatile minds could make them do anything".
After watching Season 4 yeah my guy is gonna rip this final season apart and I’m here for it
yesss
it was actual garbage, and the sexual themes introduced in previous seasons were no longer handled with any subtlety. Eric, Otis and Maeve were sidelined so much for some new boring unlikable and annoying people that ticked off boxes.
Something that really super bothered me about Eric’s character is that he was clearly upset thinking his mother was flirting with her ex fiancé, so what does he do? He goes out and immediately cheats on his boyfriend, mimicking the same behavior that he was so upset by in his mother. It just didn’t make any sense to me, they really did Eric’s character dirty this season
THIS
Yeah
Yes! The writing for Eric this season really felt out of place/character
Chris always seemed like the moral compass of the show for me.
And then what they do? They make him cheat on his boyfriend and break his heart because he’s not as out with his sexuality as Eric. That’s just so cruel and That’s never been who Eric was for me.
I was disappointed when he kissed the man he just met and didn't even thought of Adam. He lack to understand Adam and why he is still in the stage of discovering himself.
I liked how Aimee is still working though her trauma of her assault, and isn't magically better. The scene where Jean gently explains that it wasn't her fault made me cry so much.
I agree. It was so refreshing to see them handle the situation in a realistic matter. Many people deal with that trauma for years.
Lmao, we meet again! (From Trins vid)
That was a great scene!
@@solcarlosofficial i like it too because i think there’s also this stigma that cases that aren’t r*pe or involve penetration are not as valid- and that if someone’s assaulted they should “ get over it faster”, but it can take years for people to deal with that truama. I like that it was more realistic and didn’t rush anything
Oh hey Trina Q 👋😁
And I completely agree. I adore Aimee and I love her development throughout the seasons. It's quite subtle, but she's grown so much.
personally i’m rooting for an ending where otis and maeve don’t end up together. i was a big fan of normal people with its doomed lovers plot and at this point if the writers are going to play with tension so much i’d rather the tragedy of them never quite working out.
Same, I'm honestly done with the whole let's date other people shit only to leave them and all that, and the relationship doesn't feel right anymore, it's like oh I didn't work out with anyone else let me come back to you cause you are familiar
Or just being great friends and finding out that it’s what they are and accepting that. Not every boy/girl characters needs to be in a romantic relationship
On the topic of Hope: I hate this trend in recent media where some people suddenly seem to think that every villain needs to be redeemable. WHY? Not every villain needs to be redeemed. To do that is to belittle good redemption arcs where they do happen. Like in this specific show: Adam.
Agreed. And he might be followed by his father.
I don’t think they’re redeeming her just showing Hope as a human being
Having Adam almost cry when Eric breaks up with him, and having him ultimately NOT cry likely because of Michael raising him to think it's "not manly to cry" due to Michael's own mis-guided upbringing was just such genius piece of story telling that made me WEEP.
It just brilliantly ties how insecure Adam is about being gay and his motivations throughout the series. Eric was helping him come out of his shell and become a better person and as soon as he got vulnerable, he was betrayed.
Adam deserves so much better :(
Saying Eric betrayed him is honestly a misguided view of the moment: they are both at two separate journeys in their coming out that them being together is detrimental to the other. Adam isn’t ready to express himself and be seen in the public eye, while Eric has always been told to tone down and hide who he was. Eric wants to shout his love from the rooftops and if he stays with Adam he will continue to have to tone himself down and lose himself for the sake of someone else.
When Adam did that, I audibly said "oohh the acting!!" You felt that moment and it was amazing
@@noonsmith3612 So you break up with the guy then go fuck around...so simple nothing justifyies betrayal
@@noonsmith3612 That doesn't change the fact that Eric shamelessly cheated on him
I wish that Ruby had more scenes in this season. The story with her father let us see more deepness into her character, and I liked that. It just vanished into fine air after Otis broke up with her.
I would've loved to see her have her friends come over and meet her dad! That would have been so good!
It's amazing how 3 episodes of Ruby and Otis outshined 3 seasons of Maeve and Otis
@@JS-pn4tj sad but true, i loved the 3 first episode just bc of ruby
Depth*
The show sadly fell into the trope of the girl who is only important when she's into the male protagonist
I really liked the scene where Jakob opened up to the therapist about his wife.
I really think that Ruby was one of the best characters of the season, you get to know her, her background, why she acts like this, and the scene in which she says to Otis "I love you" is genuinely deep, because for her it was really meaningful. I think that she stops being a one side character and she shows that she is a person. I also liked Adam and Lily. But about Lily, whose story is so touching, I don't really like the finale when she meets with Olga trying to observe aliens, it seemed pretty artificial to me.. Anyway Ruby best character!
Ohhhh the scene of the "I love you" just broke my heart . Poor Ruby
I can't stand Ruby
Ruby is mean. She doesn't even wants to be seen with Otis
I hate where they went with Otis and Ruby. They were SO interesting together and as you said, I am just over Otis and Maeve. And I think that’s also due to the fact that we didn’t get a lot of interesting moments between the two, while basically all the scenes with Otis and Ruby felt fresh and interestinf
I'm perfectly fine with Otis and Maeve being just friends. I don't want them to be a couple at all.
but that was not what this is all about. R and O was good while it last but that should be the end of it. Ruby lacks the spark and the emotion that Maeve brought to us and to otis, sure Ruby deserves better but not with Otis but she should get her own happy ending in ss4 and let O and M be together at last. ENDGAME!
They keep teasing Maeve and Otis being together but never actually do it and I felt really bad for Ruby because she finally opened up to Ruby and they just ended it abruptly because for the second half of the season she was hardly in any scene
I FELT SO BAD FOR RUBY! she has a really hard time dealing with her family, and when she feels comfortable and happy enough to tell someone she loves them, she gets rejected and then we got NOTHING OF HER😭😭😭😭
Yeah
OMG Someone finally mentioned that Cal was such an empty character.
exactly, they were only there for Jackson, and we never got any detailing on them
I thought they were a bad influence on Jackson and hoped he and viv will realize that both extremes are bad- viv shouldn't have helped hope and Jackson shouldn't have abandoned his hobbies and focus for Cal
And where on earth are Cal's parents? Your child is breaking school rules and going off to smoke pot every day and they're not even mentioned. That felt so out of place for me. We at least know something about most of the parents.
ive not gotten to the cal part of the video yet but i completely agree, i just feel like they were kind of just a token character to brush over the topic of a non binary character and they had so much potential to be greater
@@lshaaa exactly, they only had them so they could talk about being non-binary, but that was literally it, and they didn’t even give a great representation
About Maeve's repetitive storyline: I actually think that's quite realistic. People who have internalised a certain self-image and defense mechanism don't usually find it easy to let go of it. It's normal to fall back to it. Especially with trust issues it's so easy to feel let down and go back to thinking you can't trust people. I definitely understand Maeve not trusting Otis - even if it's true that for big issues he's going to be there, he has been unreliable in other ways.
It's clear though that Maeve trusts Aimee.
When Maeve says "I don't trust anyone", she has just been let down by someone she really trusted, and even loved, so that ingrained distrust flares up. I can totally buy that in that moment she may believe that, even if that's not true (just an inaccurate self-image). Or she could say it just to make a point, or because the "abandoned kid" side of her comes up more with Isaac, since that's something they share.
Growth is not always linear, people's self-images are often inaccurate, and their personalities are not fully consistent every minute of every day. I guess whether it makes for compelling television is another question. For me, personally, it is.
About Eric: even though I find him a really fun and charismatic character, I've always thought he wasn't a particularly good friend. Whenever Otis tells him about something that has happened to him that he feels insecure about, Eric's reaction is to laugh at him, not to support him or make him feel good about having shared with him. He also cannot keep a secret and always screams sensitive information at the top of his lungs. Honestly, I wouldn't tell him anything I didn't want the rest of the world to know.
Totally agree about Adam becoming a great character, about the fact that they ended Otis and Ruby's relationship way too abruptly, and about being let down by Eric's cheating and general behaviour.
That's exactly what i thought about Maeve as well! If all you've ever known was to NOT trust people and to NOT let them in, its not gonna change so easily after one or two good experiences.
Agreed, Maeve has a troubled past, and it's hard to break out of her insecurity over not immediately trusting everyone, since she's been let down so much in the past. Adam is the best character, and gets even better in Season 4.
Came to the comments to say the same thing about Maeve. You said it incredibly well
Strongly agree with the Eric part omg, I always found him kinda annoying, not because of his loud personality per se but because he just seems to never be able to tone it down for two seconds. It's almost as if "being true to himself" held more importance to him than being a good friend. Ever since season one I so many times found myself thinking "why is he laughing at something that's clearly making Otis uncomfortable, like, actually bad/self-conscious" or "why is he (LITERALLY) screaming the thing Otis just told him, if he's clearly wanting it to stay between them."
@solmarcet6157 Absolutely, couldn't agree more!
I agree with Hope being a pretty great villain! She caught my interest immediately when she just assumed the white boy in the room was the star player in the school - it was an instant red flag, but it was played in such a subtle way, I knew they were gonna do right by her character.
You have the same exact comment as someone above
that was brilliant
Adam's poem in the end was the high point of the season and literally had me in tears
Literally and then rahim said it was just ok and then I got so mad cause it got me sobbing
@@SharveyPlays yeah but I feel like that matches Rahim’s character, like he downplayed the poem because he knew it was good and was maybe kinda sad it weren’t for him
SAME💔💔💔💔
Queue Adam + Rahim in Season 4
@@SharveyPlays he probably did that so adam won t give it to eric because than rahim can send him the poem pretending it's his. I really think that s what happened
I wish they'd explored a platonic relationship between Maeve and Otis while him and Ruby were still dating... would have been way more interesting than the will they/won't they thing
I didn't really like otis and Ruby, like they're just way too different + plus otis was kinda like her servant
@@alexk8961 They are not :D Meave is a lot more different from Otis than Ruby is. Considering their true personality, not the outside of them.
@@justjake8635 they are though
@@alexk8961 Arguments?
I wish Ruby apologized to Aimee.
My main gripe with the Otis and Maeve storyline (and I say this with all the love in the world, they're my favourites) is that we haven't actually seen what they look like as a couple, at all, ever. It sucks, because it could be SO GOOD but instead we just get endless buildup. It's a shame, honestly.
They don’t have to be in a romantic relationship, cause it’s not gonna magically fix their issues
THANK YOU for your Hope comments, I completely agree. For me, the relationship between her actions at Moordale and her IVF treatment wasn't only about a coping mechanism, as you pointed out, but a narrative symbol of what she was doing at the school: willing bodies into submission. You can't treat sex and reproduction the same way you treat your career. Her refusal to give up on IVF against doctor's recommendations is her trying to bully her own body - something with its own 'consciousness', for lack of a better word - into doing what she wants it to, the same way she bullies Cal and the other non-binary student to conform, for example.
Yes I think it was a good explanation and insight, it didn't feel like it was trying to be a redemption, and you explained the emotion behind it well I think!
And I also think about her assuption that certain bodies are meant to do certain things, as if a body is meant to have a purpose such as a machine, and if it can’t do that, it’s broken and unworthy. It’s really a vary dangerous notion to have, and throughout history it has justified true atrocities, such as eugenic policies
Hope was so villainous i loved her
I was really disappointed with Eric as well. Cheating on his second boyfriend, really ? Dumping Adam because he's not gay enough, when Eric just knew from the beginning that it was going to be difficult, *really* ? It just seemed so un-Eric-like to criticise Adam for not being fully out of the closet - did he not see where Adam was originally coming from ?! When they were together, I was sincerely surprised at how gay Adam allowed himself to be. He seemed really happy and confident with their relationship, while I thought he would be totally awkward with Eric. So seeing Eric dumping him was just... really sad. I agree with what you're saying about the season overall. It really felt weird.
I get both sides. Eric doesn't HAVE to be held back because he's at a different stage in his sexuality discovery. He's blossoming while Adam is just starting to sprout. However, having that discovery come from a cheating plot sort of cheapens it to me. Eric could have done it like hey Adam, we're at different places and right now I need to be a free flying gay man out and proud, and I know you're not there yet so let's break up amicably.
Eric deserved more than his arc being infidelity.
While I wish he understood Adam better, I also know it's not his responsibility to hold himself back until Adam is more comfortable. Either way I hope they both grow from it.
I'm sort of liking this starting with Adam and Rahim. Rahim isn't as flamboyant as Eric is and I think he might be at a good, comfortable level for someone like Adam whose still exploring himself, while not feeling like Adam would be holding him back the way Eric is.
Yes, i agree so much! But i also liked it (story-wise), because we could see how sensitive the topic of not being out of closet can be for there Who already are. I feel like i didn’t really see this in teenage show before. Also i was kinda mad that maeve and otis felt like such a side characters? I would be very cool with seeing less of other people and more of Maeve and Otis fighting the new purity sex Ed in school or something like that. That would make the season much cooler and make more sense
Was the lazy writters, is so out of character. doesn't fit well Eric personality.
I was a little frustrated, but at the same time, Eric is young, from a small town and this was a situation that he couldn't have experienced in other circumstances... I was hurt for Adam, but I could see how being free and open in a queer friendly place was a liberating moment for Eric, a cathartic moment of realizing what kind of experiences he wasn't brave enough to try
@@MartaSandes bu they make him cheated again, don't make sense. In the first time I get, but now, is not Eric. The writters only make people hate him, Eric is marvelous. This only lazy writting, the CW used in his teen shows. I don't like that at all. Is ''break up'' story line to make them get back together later, just like Maeve and Otis situation.
I think Hope's arc was OVERLY exaggerated in a way that made her seem like an emotionless cartoon villain. I wish they spent more time writing her backstory and the reason why she is instead of randomly resolving to LOCKING A STUDENT IN A ROOM like that? That just seemed way too cartoonish for a show that deals with current world issues in a real and relatable way.
Yeah, I wish we got some kind of backstory for that. The potential was there! They could have gone in the direction of showing that Hope wouldn't be able to afford the IVF-treatment if she lost her job (which with the schools reputation was hanging loose if she didn't succeed) That stress and emotional turmoil could have led her to see locking Cal in the room as a last resort, so they wouldn't ruin the spotless image Hope was trying to fabricate. It sometimes felt like they were hinting at that, but it was nowhere clear enough.
hope shouldn’t have been a character in the show at all. just a waste of time
@@AW-xc1xc I completely agree, that wouldve been so much better. What it actually felt like was that they shoved that pregnancy part to give a bit of 'backstory' but its no where near explored enough to take any effect and just makes her character more confusing. It was also weird she initially appeared as the 'cool teacher' but shes shown that she obviously doesn't care about what the students think of her, only her superiors.
@@janelle9652 she had potential but was very poorly executed (the writing)
I think Hope's turn towards the end was a bit forced or maybe premature. What she said to Viv and what she did to Adam, Cal, and Lily were both effective in the moment but I think it was a bit too hard of a shift from the character Hope was shown to be, it wasn't gradual enough. I think what they were trying to showcase with Hope was at one point she just like our characters, vibrant, fierce, strong and ready to take on the world but how society's expectations can crush someone's ambitions, sense of self and make them forget who they are, plus her other short comings like her inability to have a baby.
Now that season 4's out, i feel like it makes season 3 look a lot better
Finished season 4 today. Ready for the final take.
(I didn't know it was the final season till after I finished and I feel sad, like I'm not going to be able to see my friends again)
The point of Maece's arc is that it IS repetitive! The writers are trying to show the cycle of poverty and being the child of an addict.
Every. Single. Time. Maeve trusts someone, she is let down. Her mum, her brother, Otis, Hope, Isaac... Her tenacity is amazing, but she doesn't get a break. She has to become totally vulnerable and trust someone every time she is betrayed - look at how hard it was for her to believe that Anna wants to help her in Season 3. Maeve's arc is repetitive because her life is cyclical.
Agree. Being a child of addiction is a horrible cycle and I thought they represented that pretty decently.
@@fonnireed I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad the show reflected your experience fairly well
That’s a good point, haven’t thought about it that way
Dats bullshit bro im sorry they are destroying storyarcs bc of marve
This is a very good point. Maeve's arc is healing, opening up, trusting people, but that's journey it's not always, probably almost never linear, you're gonna have drawbacks along the way and just because she learned to trust Otis in the first season doesn't mean she's just gonna be open and trusting with everyone right from the bat.
I also don't think her reply to Isac was out of character, it was probably just a coping mechanism to protect herself
Mr Groff is such a criminally underrated character this season.
true. it means a lot to see that he’s trying at least with maureen. hopefully he’ll try and rekindle a connection with adam and apologize for his fatherly ways yknow? kind of how he’s similar to his own father. i really wanna see some mr. groff development!!!
@@fataidsdog yh, I think it’d be really sweet to see him and Adam form an actual bond. Also to maybe see how he reacts to Adam being bisexual.
Dislike him from not really caring about his son at all but I can see why you think he's deserving of more love.
Mr. Groff still has a long way to go, just like Adam, but they're trying and I appreciate that.
He made me cry
They did Ruby dirty fr. S4 too… heartbreaking.
Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on season 4. It was certainly something.
Copy and paste everything from this video into season 4 and multiply by 2
@@Mikelaxomake it 5
@@Mikelaxo exactly what I was thinking xD
RUBY DESERVED BETTER. i really fkn hated how they brushed over that little "i love you" thing like it wasnt the most vulnerable she had ever been. and the way they barely gave her screen time after it was absolutely horrible, as well as him almost being forced to ask if they could talk about it a few times so it wasnt COMPLETELY cut off, but yea they completely cut off ruby, like foreskin they cut her off and threw her away like she was nothing and i cant stop thinking about it
I get what you’re saying but I’m also seeing people say they ship Ruby and Otis so much when they were toxic together from the beginning. Sure they’re relationship can evolve from just being about sex to actually dating, but Ruby basically treated Otis like her dog and I feel apart from a few scenes she doesn’t get that much character development that shows us who she is really. And Otis is just a self centered asshole who thinks about himself most the time(and yes I know they’re teens and they can grow). But yeah, I wish she would’ve gotten more development after she got rejected by Otis.
I agree. ROTIS (which sounds stupid but I got it from Mimi Keene) stole the whole damn show and was the highlight of the season. And when Otis broke up with her, the second half of the season wasn't as enjoyable. As far as their relationship seeming a bit toxic, what I got from FSN's video was that Otis understood her defense mechanisms and underneath her superiority complex was just a misunderstood person. He even challenged her beliefs by refusing to dress the way she wanted later in their relationship. He was good for her. But nonetheless, she should've gotten some kind of self-discovery arc w/o a boy involved and the writers totally missed that opportunity and tossed her aside. So yeah, TEAM RUBY.
You’ve gone thru some shit man
@@raphmate741 though the same lmao
@@nicomar3506 Agreed! I don't understand why people want them together when they're forgetting the fact that Ruby didn't even want to be seen with him at the beginning of the show. Then she tries to change him to fit in with her people. Yes, she eventually lets Otis do what he wants and accepts him but why are they acting as if they're a "strong" couple? I don't see it.
I didn’t feel much chemistry between Otis and Maeve this season, so all their moments together seemed slightly forced and underwhelming. I think Otis and Ruby were much more genuine, I had fun watching their interactions and found myself really rooting for them as a couple. I just don’t understand what the writers are trying to do with Otis’ love interests. Why make Otis and Ruby’s pair so likable and fun with real chemistry then to replace her with Maeve, despite Ruby’s character development and newfound openness. Why reconcile Otis and Maeve in such a strange way only to have her leave again. Maeve and Isaac were so great together as well! I don’t know, I’m just really curious to see how things play out next season.
Ahh, I loved Maeve and Isaac together so much!! Isaac is a good bean. An asshole, but still a good bean, y'know?
Since this show touches a lot on different relationships, I hope they touch on platonic male/female friendships with Otis and Maeve. Not all friendships have to lead to romance. It would be nice to see that representation on the show.
@@sendimejia Viv and Jackson are in a platonic relationship.
Otis & Ruby and Isaac & Maeve had fantastic chemistry.
Same. And I felt so bad when Ruby finally opened up, showing her "human" side and then got rejected 💀
season 4 was another level of repetitiveness
Just wait till you see Season 4 😢
What killed me was that they built up these meaningful storylines with Isaac and Maeve and with Ruby and Otis, but then both of those love interests are tossed aside so that the main characters can be together?! I really expected better of the writers than to pull a 'Rachel and Ross'
i really thought otis was going to have this realization on how ruby could make him happier in the long run but no dude just dumps her for a chance to be with a girl who had been nothing but indeferent to him for the whole season. soooo frustating
Yeah
I know. They had Otis copping off with Maeve the episode after his break up. I know many Motis fans were saying "they had waited three season for that moment', but I thought 'wow, what a scumbag'. There was no magic there for me. He had just broken up with his girlfriend FFS. What are the writers playing at here?
@@funkyanimaltheearloffunkdo1871 Ruby broke up with him because he didn't love her. Otis was never seen to be super into Ruby the way that she started to be into him over time.
@@SuperRONDALE Still doesn't excuse his scummy behaviour.
Nobody is talking about how they killed off JOHNATHON THE CAT just to have a couple episodes about Jeffrey and Cynthia’s relationship. That scene was so upsetting and unnecessary, was genuinely in absolute shock after seeing it.
Huh
NO SRSLY THO. tf was the point
Omg yes! It was horrible, I stopped watching after that. :(
It was funny but didn’t really have much point. But man did I laugh when the cat died because they fucked too hard.
I know it was so gruesome too
Adam and his dad hands down kept me invested this season. Without them idk if I would have kept watching.
I did a brief stint as a teacher at a private school which had a new principal that year and Hope was spot on. Everything from the speech she gives in the first episode to trying to come off more approachable by not have an imposing desk in her office to the arbitrary rules that only serve to increase control over students and teachers was so accurate. Truly my favorite part of the season.
Ms. Sands and Mr. Hendricks' cute relationship sprinkled across the episodes >>>>
Babaganuosh
no, i hated those scenes.
@@casey5521 imagine hating on the most stable couple in the show LMAO
@@bw-xv2rz no i’m just asexual and don’t want to see adult relationships in tv shows
@@casey5521 then why would you watch this show…
I felt like Cal's whole personality was being nonbinary and there to serve as Jackson's love interest. I was so excited for nb representation, but i personally felt a little underwhelmed by Cal, i didnt get a good feel of this characters personality, unlike so many of the other very distinct and complex characters.
I really liked the part when Cal helped another NB student with binder. Watching them binding their chest with bandages and hurting was really hard.
@@blaszaczka Oh actually I liked that too! I did really like how they showed that because watching the other person trying to bind their chest like that made me hurt too, I got a little emotional at that scene
MB i was just gonna comment about that, i wish the other character got more screen time. That opening scene where they’re wrapping their chest was really powerful
@@blaszaczka yeah but again... it's just her being non-binary... apart from that and being American there was nothing interesting about them. not to mention that their energy is just repulsive.
agreed. it’s sad. i am all for the NB representation but it did feel underwhelming, … could’ve been better, it did not feel like there was more to this character sadly. and it really sucks. i love this show but there are many aspects, such as this, that could have been executed differently and in a better way
I was so sad about Ruby and Otis breaking up. It was such a good way to do this sort of relationship. The look into her life was so intriguing I really felt bad not getting to see her and how happy she felt.
The third season is certainly weird but it's a realistic escalation imo. You have to make more drastic steps and change what the audience has gotten used too. The show does the awkward season better then most shows did their best.
Watching this after sex ed 4. As someone with autism, i really loved lily, i heavily related to her in season 3, and i hate not having her in the newest season.
Good or bad, NOTHING was more satisfying than seeing Ruby actually attempt to beat the shit out of Hope. Something we all wished would happen to Umbridge...
Oh that POS- I mean professor from Harry Potter?
Exactly^^^ Ruby was growing on me throughout the season but seeing her go down into a fight had me shook
The “thing” between Jackson and Cal was the most emptiest and pointless thing in the show
Yep, so was the whole Cal character. I really hoped that authors will explore the plotline with them being kinda uncomfortable with their body, the bullying they mentioned, hell, do anything with this character basically. But nope, Cal apparently was just an empty plot device to complete Jacksons 'Who am I?' arc in this season, which by the way was boring as hell.
It feels like they tried to tackle a lot of issues in this season, maybe more than comfortably fits in the runtime; and maybe because they weren’t sure if this was gona be the last season and wanted to cover as many issues as possible while give it a relatively good ending.
But I definitely don’t think Cal’s story was pointless. Just because a relationship doesn’t work out doesn’t mean the interaction wasn’t pointless or nothing was learned from it. As a non-binary person seeing Cal’s story was absolutely massive and confirming for me and I feel represented. Relationships are confusing, how we relate to our bodies is confusing and therefore how we let others relate to our bodies is confusing.
This part was so important:
JACKSON: But I’m open, like I’m willing to learn.
CAL: Here’s the thing. I’m still figuring out so much shit about myself. I can’t carry you too. And I still wana have fun when I can, because I feel so heavy all the time.
JACKSON: I do really like you.
CAL: I really like you too. I’m sorry that this isn’t gonna work out.
...
Because I feel so heavy all the time. I can’t carry you too. So that’s why this isn’t going to work out. That’s a very valid and common experience for NB’s.
It’s too much to try to teach someone else about how we experience the world, especially when half the time we haven’t a clue what’s going on within ourselves, having a queer partner makes all the difference because they already get it.
That storyline was FAR from pointless. If you’re NB you’d get it too. I’m looking forward to seeing how Cal’s character develops in the next season.
completely disagree
@@PepperMint249 I agree. Other than Carl being American and transgender, there's nothing that interesting about him. It's like the only conversations he had was about his identity. Him being bullied and treated unfairly made us feel sorry for him but there's nothing else about his character.
@@sjn7688 how did you miss the entire point AND misgender the character in one comment. Cal used they/them pronouns
Not enough people are talking about how Jackson was robbed this season. He was one of my favourite characters in season 2, he hurts himself because of his anxiety, he confronts his mother, he branches out and finds something new. This year he’s reduced to nothing, he’s paired with Cal who is already not a character, and all he does is smoke. Should’ve kept with his acting
I know right? Even though Jackson was that kind of guy every average dude would hate cuz of his success, his sex life and his looks he never seemed to be as annoying as a typical jock.
I mean my inner childish boy was of course rooting for Otis and Maeve but seeing how much effort Jackson put in during his relationship and how he had to deal with the stress that comes with being "THAT" guy made him so likeable.
And in season 3 he was an aftertought just there to entertain a non binary storyline that wasn't even fleshed out and just seemed like it was thrown in there to complete a sexuality checklist which made me unfortunately hate Cal for dragging Jackson down with them just to smoke shit while Jackson was trying his best to become an actual actor in season 2.
Waiting patiently for the inevitable season 4 review…my guess is that he prolly didnt like lol. I didnt really care for it much personally
it was pretty bad
It seems the writers only added Ruby and Otis together to be another obstacle from stopping Maeve and Otis getting together, However I don’t know why they did this because they already did it perfectly last season with Otis and Ola. Everyone HATED them together and were craving for Otis to get with Maeve. But Otis and Ruby backfired because now everyone prefers them together and it sort of killed Maeve and Otis before they even properly began. I hope the writers did it on purpose to thicken the plot or else we will all be unsatisfied next season
i didn't really like ruby and otis. it never seemed to click right for me
I didn't really like them either; it was a cool moment when Otis stood up for himself and cut off the causal stuff, but then they got back together when Ruby went public which kinda ruined that.
@@sunanimoon I like them but at the same time ..I want maeve and Otis together. Everyone is complaining about the slow build but I like it 😭
I liked Otis and Ola together. At least their relationship had a proper build-up and arc. But their dynamic is more like friends, which they came to realize and it's fine. Ruby was rude to Otis and everyone. She likes Otis because he genuinely wants to know the real her, but it's so one-sided. What does she like about him that's not in relation to her?
@@mhawang8204 Ooh your last sentence is a really fascinating insight regarding Ruby liking Otis. You are definitely right for the beginning of their relationship but I'm wondering whether as it progressed maybe she started liking him for being himself, you know, kind and sweet and weird. I'm not sure. I don't really care about Motis and Rotis but that was an interesting point. :D
Can we talk about how the show used Cal as an excuse to completely forget Jackson’s self harm in the last season? Like dude was suicidal you can’t recover from smth like that in one summer and they never mentioned it again ever
I wouldn't go as far as to say he was suicidal (although it definetly had the potential to get to that point). He used self harm as a way to escape the constant pressure he was under from his parents, swimming, school ...etc and by the end of the 2nd season we see him trying to discover himself and what he enjoys doing. I do agree though that they kind of forgot about that entire arc and Jackson was just linked to Cal for the entire season and didn't contribute to the season in any other way. Like he mentions going to therapy at the end of season 2, they could have done alot by diving into those therapy sessions and properly addressing his self harm as well as dealing with his anxiety and finding his purpose.
Also I find it really weird that only one of his mother's shows up this season
im not a tan of cal but jackson was definitely not suicidal, it was a panic induced excuse in the spur of the moment.
@@slumpie8673 wow having read all that in a comment made me realize how I used to do the exact same thing. I remember gathering the courage to jump from the top of the stairs to break an arm or something. I only hurt my ass but it was. something.
Had Cal was used in a interesting way that shows the struggles for nonbinary people, I would've been more invested in the character.
I can't wait for your video on season 4
Hahaha the Maeve and Otis story-line is so true. So much cliff-hanger.
I honestly think they misused Hope as a character - I thought they made her, especially at the end, into a cartoon evil villain (like locking Cal in a cupboard). I think it would have been interesting to explore her motivations more and make her a more morally grey character, where she had the right intentions but had to learn to understand that her execution was poor. I also really disliked Cal as a character, they just had no real character development and I didn’t find them to be a sympathetic character at all. Mimi Keene absolutely carried this season! #JusticeForAdamAndRuby
Cal was such a missed opportunity. It would have been so interesting to discover more of a non-binary character, besides thier main struggle being a fit of school uniform. Like yes, it’s cool to see diversity and representation, but it was so bloody bland. Surely non-binary teenagers go through much more than just dress codes.
The best scene with Cal was the one with Layla imo. It was a minor scene and even useless for the plot, but it made me genuinely smile to see them laughing happily. It was a very nice touch for nb representation and showed more character from Cal (and Layla) than any other episodes. They had potential but not explored in the right way imo
Adam and ruby carried this season for sure
Nancy Zasimova as i trans person i related hugely with cal i think they should have a more developed character but the uniform thing hits close to home and it is a substantial thing
hope is a textbook terf
My problem is with Rahim. It feels like he is just a mysterious character there to be cheated with and he has zero arc. He is a tool instead of a person.
I also feel like Jackson’s arc just being about his relationship with Cal seemed unbalanced compared to other characters. Really was disappointed
@@jdow615 yesss Cal is also a weird character
Everybody's a tool this season, mate. Do you get the sense that Otis makes things worse just so the next story beat could happen, while Eric stays passive while things happen to him to move his character beat forward. They both even said their things in different episodes! Otis said he make things worse(and then he said it to his mom, and Maeve said that to him before he said it himself, but that aside) and Eric said that he didn't even know what happened in Nigeria, it just kinda happens(then, in the last episode, the writers give him his reason, without any internal struggles or questioning himself. The one time he brought it up is when he tells Otis about what happened. As if, he is steering the narrative. That, my friend, is a sign of sociopathic behaviour).
It's called being a secondary character
@@barnsteen5768 How are they weird?
Season 4 was so terrible when’s the video coming out?
Spoilers for Season 4:
Just finished season 4 and hearing your plea to end the show on a high with a conclusion made me laugh of loud. Season 4 felt like a spinn-off and the one main story line didn't get a proper conclusion.
There was a one main storyline? Enlightened me because I completely missed it
@@Mikelaxopresumably Otis and Maeve
ADAM was by far my favorite character Thais season. So much character development 🙌
Same! And Adam's dad too. When Mr Groff went back into his home life as a child, I was on the verge of tears. Also, loved Jason Isaacs in his brief scenes as well.
@@manwithnoname8229 my friend its ok that you think that, but why are you in this video when you think like that?
@@martinacosta3821 cause sex education is trash, the worst show of 2021, shows like Squid game and Odd taxi are far better than this overhyped, unrealistic, abysmal and atrocious piece of fiction. The people who created this show are pretentious 🔔ends.
@@manwithnoname8229 lol it’s ok to not like this show but you’re simply living in a fiction world if you think this comes even close to being one of the worst shows of the year. Do you even know the amount of trash that gets released every single week while this show is actually smart, funny, compelling, and original. You sound dumb saying this
@@manwithnoname8229 Why are you are comparing a teen comedy series with two crime dramas series? That's a stupid comparison.
I was actually really upset that Otis and Maeve didn't stay with Ruby and Issac. I thought those relationships were really cute and it would have been a way to show that guys and girls really can be just friends even if they do find each other attractive.
I think ruby and otis is fine but that relationship was toxic and rlly annoyed me idk. And Maeve and Isaac was defo good but I think Maeve and Otis r still rlly good despite the fact it took 3 seasons
@@Ash-uf4fv Thank you! That’s 100% true.
At the end of season 2, I was mad at Issac.. I didn’t want Maeve and Issac to be together but after watching season 3 my opinion has completely changed. I think Maeve and Issac are amazing for each other, idk it just felt right seeing them together and you could really feel the chemistry they had. And.. Sex Education has dragged Maeve and Otis being together for ages and I just got so bored of waiting.
@@yellowblob405 shows have dragged on a pairing for WAY longer than 3 seasons. And a lot of the times that slow burn is good like in this show. Everyone always just goes with the crowd and forms the opinion that's easiest to make without much of a thought its sad
@@Ash-uf4fv it’s my own personal opinion but okay? It’s just gotten boring *to me* that’s all.
I actually didnt mind this season, it's season 4 that i couldn't stand
Season 1 2 3 were all wonderful. Season 4 was mediocre. No wonder so many people disliked it
As we know now that Season 4 will be Emma Mackey's last, and she has said she features in every episode, I think it's safe to say that there will be a significant return to the Otis / Maeve story line. Isaac will also be returning so how that plays a part I don't know given that his only connection to the show is Maeve. What I hated in Season 3 was how it ended up with Maeve continuously apologizing to Isaac after she admitted what happened in France with Otis and that didn't sit well with me, considering he completely betrayed her trust. He got off lightly and yet still guilt trips Maeve and then 'takes his heart off the table', like seriously, what a self-righteous prick. It's understandable that given his circumstances he'd resort to underhand tactics to try and secure a love interest and maybe Maeve understands that so is more forgiving, but in the long term I think he'd prove to be manipulative, intentionally or otherwise and so is not a good match for Maeve.
With Otis and Ruby, I understand people rooting for them, and that is in no small part due the the extremely slow burn of Otis / Maeve, but again, they are not right for each other. They were, for a short time, but their relationship merely served a purpose for each of them, a means to an end. For Ruby, it was to be more accepting of herself and others, to stop caring what people thought and to be herself. For Otis it was a chance to explore the sexual side of relationships and grow his confidence in that department, also he learned not to be shaped by other people and what they think is better for you in terms of image, clothes, the way you walk. Just be yourself is the overriding message that came from that relationship and they both needed it so much in order to grow as individuals. However it was not about love, I feel that Ruby didn't love Otis, she just experienced a partner that forced her to see the error in her ways and accept herself for who she really is, who is actually a really sweet and caring person, and no-one has ever been able to do that with her, so I think she misinterpreted that and put Otis on a pedestal. That relationship was hard on Otis and him not loving her was probably a time thing, in that it was too soon, and once Ruby does some more growing emotionally she'll see that too. I don't see them being back together in Season 4, instead being very good friends with Otis helping Ruby with her personal growth as she still has a fair way to go.
Maeve being in America is a tricky one, but there will be a major plot point there, given the inclusion of a new character as her mentor, and Emma has said she will be in every episode so it will be interesting to see how much of Maeve's season will be in America and whether she actually returns to the UK or not, given the show continuously pushes the narrative that she is a gifted writer. Maybe Otis will visit her and they spend some magical moments together before Otis, in his usual, unselfish way sees that her dreams ultimately lie away from him and he lets her go, but if this was going to happen it would be pointless having Isaac returning. So I'm going to assume that Maeve returns to the UK, although not on a permanent basis. It's a shame but we have to remember that these are 17/18 year old 'kids' and relationships are fleeting at that age and emotions are often blown out of proportion which is an underlying message in the whole show.
Ultimately, I am in the Otis / Maeve corner and I'd love to see them embark on a meaningful relationship together but that's me being my romantic self, always favoring the underdog. Real life often doesn't dish out fairytales and I think it's irresponsible to portray otherwise, but I'd forgive it in this case, because I'm so invested in them as a couple, irrationally so, which is all thanks to Emma and Asa's acting abilities which have been a joy to watch. I just wish the writers hadn't tried to cram in so many other characters that ultimately diluted what started out so well in Season 1.
Personally I hope Season 4 is the last because despite there being so many other characters that I like. I think the show is in danger of becoming stale if they push any more seasons. For me it was the absolute masterclass from the beautiful Emma Mackey that kept me watching. Her ability to convey to the audience the emotions of every situation without even saying a word is pure class and an unbelievable achievement given it was her first 'gig' and she's never attended acting school. Once she leaves the show will lose a big part of itself and I'd rather not have to experience that in a potential Season 5. I wish her every success in the future and will always be a fan based on her performance in Sex Education, it will stay with me for a very long time to come.
Sorry for the wall of text, I don't do TLDR;'s. Thanks for reading if you got this far
I'm definitely reading ALLAT 💯
I couldn't agree more with you. The feelings S1 and S2 gave me were something I never expected that a teen drama would get out of me and of course with Otis us guys finally got a relatable male main character which I think is pretty rare in this genre.
Seeing him struggle with his love life I think everyone could relate to him in some shape or form especially when we started to root for him and Maeve.
The only real downside to Sex Ed is as you said are those characters who were added just to "exist" or "represent". I understand "Sex Education" is a big term that can be interpreted very differently but we got so many great characters in Season 1 already that I feel like every new introduction in season 3 wasn't really necessary since people like Jackson, Eric, Adam, Ruby, ... all had issues that were interesting enough on their own already that I wish got more screen time instead of certain other topics and just weren't really fleshed out and just seemed like an afterthought.
I'm currently watching Season 4 and it may just be my inner childish boy hoping for a happy end between the relatable loser and the kind of girl you could only dream about but I seriously pray that Maeve and Otis finally get the ending they deserve after being put through so much.
I felt another super uncharacteristic thing about Maeve the whole season is how she never stood up to Hope in the slightest. Maeve has always been a rebel and never let adults or authority figures push her around simply because they were authority figures unless they had gained her respect. Like for me it just felt weird watching her take everything she did from Hope, and never arguing with her about her strict, outdated, and harmful ideals, bc isnt that exactly what you'd expect Maeve to school an adult on?
She did stand up against Hope in the episode where they were giving the "sex ed" classes. But also she probably felt like she needed to be on Hope's good side so that she can get the money for that program.
that’s a fair argument, but I also think you have to take into consideration everything she was going through at home and you could very clearly see the way that Hope was manipulating Maeve by holding the funding thing over her head every time Maeve was about to fight back.
Yes
THIS. Also a huge chance for an actual inner conflict in Maeve where she doesn't know if to follow Hope's rules or get the fundraising.
She did it because she promised to help in her tution in america
Finally someone speaking about how they ruined Viv and Jackson friendship, I love that duo in season 2 and this season absolutely ruin it. Adam is by far my fav character
I also think that they could've just gotten rid of the Cal character and it wouldnt of changed a thing, like the whole point of the show is that outsmarts stereotypes by not making people one-sided, but they just forgot about that. Like Cal was just non-binary that was their storyline and the last episode was good with the fact that Jackson couldnt have a queer relationship, but even then if they jjst got rid of Cal's character, it would be less cluttered and we'd get more of Viv and Jackson's relationship.
@@deliajoyce2330 Yeah, I think it would have been way more interesting to see Viv take on Cal's role as the reason for Jackson's resistance to Hope, instead of a new character and love interest. Would have wasted much less screen time, and would have been more compelling. The whole shrooms and weed scenes with Jackson and Cal felt so pointless.
@Tenman Gava while it’s annoying I think it’s also admirable that they use Jackson in this way. He feels the most real to me in the sense of his anxieties with the future, but also his just overall acceptance of people. He surrounds himself with all kinds of people no matter what they look like or how popular, just because he likes people. He is a nice guy without trying like Otis. So it makes sense that they use him to introduce new peeps cause he’d be like “hey what’s up”
@Tenman Gava what are you talking about? Season one and even two they focused HEAVILY on his problems. The pressure from everyone to be the best pushed him to the literal point of self harm. It wasn’t glossed over either Viv had a whole thing about it as well as the fallback form his mother’s on it. What you said about him later being used to introduce a new character, I mean yeah. But to say they don’t touch on his issues is absolutely incorrect
@Tenman Gava at what point was Jackson supposed to be the main character? Literally what are you on about?💀
Ok counterpoint to the Maeve repetitive storyline: I feel like it's more realistic for people to not have a straightforward arc like oh hey I'm fixed now. Most people need to re-learn the same lesson many times in different circumstances for there to be lasting change... In the scene with Isaac she's still feeling hurt by Otis so she defaults to her previous thinking that she can't trust people generally. And at the same time, her forgiving Isaac for clearing the voicemail is a sign she has evolved.
Does it make for good tv to have a repetitive storyline? hell no, lol.
I watched all 3 seasons together for the first time over 3-4 days and I genuinely believe that has given me a completely different perception of this season. I think it was a very good season, however I can definitely see your points and agree with quite a few of them but I definitely think watching all the seasons in one go has made this season better for me. It’s hard to explain
same, I binge watched the show all at once (before s4 came out) and s3 was my favorite 🤷 I wasn't really into it before s3, so people probably like the show for different reasons than I do lol
One problem I had with this season was how disconnected all the characters' storylines felt from each other. It made sense at first with Otis and Maeve on bad terms and no longer running the sex clinic, but it never really felt like all these plotlines came together in a satisfying way. It really stuck out to me when I realized that Jackson and Cal were really the only characters who were pushing back against Hope, and Otis, Eric and others only joined in at the end--and Maeve wasn't even there for that scene! I think this season would have felt more satisfying if they had found a way to have all the main characters work together to fight Hope, instead of their presence feeling incidental to the storyline that seemed like it was supposed to be the focus.
and it was in tv! i was rlly expecting, since theyre gunning for the will they wont they, that maeve wouldve seen it or something and seen otis and made a callback to the voicemail. every character felt important this season but yea super disconnected
I mean it played well because they showed that Maeve was moving forward and this whole season Otis was not helping until Lily because he was still figuring out himself. He realised he actually does like helping out people hence why he decided to openly do it in final episode and told his mother. I think it shows that each character is growing, and moving on in lige. Maeve literally went for a prestigious exchange programme and she would be doing great things in life now.
They are trying to juggle too many thingy.... first season was the best.
probably cuz covid but maybe just meh writing idk
it just depicts the reality you know, maeve has other things to worry as well
everyone got their own biz and still working on their selves
I kinda felt like Hope was a very good representation of millenial-girlboss-feminists whose first priority is achieving their own goals and a position of power for a woman is the ultimate be all end all of their feminist fight
She's a good example on how hard conservatives can also hide under very superficially liberal appearance to gain social approval but actually have very contradictory positions
@@phosphenevision like when she tried to make Viv the token black female student
@Tenman Gava Honestly, you are no one to judge Hope. I have seen your comments in other threads in this comment section, like the comments minimizing Aimee being assaulted. You sound just as horrible of person as her.
@Tenman Gava We don’t know when Hope started trying for children though, they are women who cannot have children period. I have seen women who are “past” their reproductive prime at 45 years get pregnant naturally. Fertility is weird in general.
@Tenman Gava why would you minimize Aimee's situation? You know how humiliating and disgusting that is? I'm really confused as to why you'd downplay her trauma. That's fxcked up. She got assaulted. Enough said
I can’t wait to see your thoughts on the final season, to say that it has been divisive would be putting it lightly.
hated it lol
Waiting like crazy for you to drop your season 4 review.
Funny rewatching this video now seeing how they fixed some of the issues you rightly flagged (Jackson, Viv, Maeve…) but others repeated with different characters (like Otis), story-background-empty characters and the finale you just mentioned ha!
I do think season 4 was good but the flaws of season 3 made it difficult to bring things into place in a nice evolving way
The Groff's carrying this whole season was such a delight to see
fr, adam was such a great character and i hope in season 4 it focuses more on friendships and all that with adam. i kinda felt sex education was just using him as a plot device for eric in a way so i wanna see something more platonically focused
Jackson is such a promising character and i hate that they’re not doing enough for him!!!
Absolutely agree! I was so excited tuning in to this season seeing the potential of topics they could explore with him !!
please, don't tell me that Sex Education is going to turn another Riverdale
@@marianadarosaribeiro3328 nah, despite some creative choices that are very divisive this season the writing was still great. Several moments really got me like Adam’s poem, Aimee and Maeve, Maeve and Erin. Adam and Maureen and Mr Groff also the final scene with Hope.
I wish they showed more of his anxiety, and the medication he takes, the symptoms of anxiety, which are so scary, and how he deals with them.
also they kinda dropped the whole storyline with his parents? i mean I guess maybe giving him another storyline on top of cal would’ve been too much and the actress was probably busy with dune but it feels weird that they didn’t go anywhere with that or even explain it away
if i'm allowed to be a bit nit-picky about it, one thing that really let me down about this show is how they gave up on developing a full story line around asexuality after they gave it a great set up in the previous season. this was the first show that i found that treated my sexuality with care and respect so i was really excited to see how that would go only to see it was actually going nowhere. and it would have fit into the show so well too - it's literally called sex education and all kinds of sexualities are explored and given the depth they deserve, and in a show where sex is such a central point i feel like an actual asexual character could have brought an interesting and refreshing perspective to the plot. but with the way they handled it now even the one scene in season 2 falls flat, because it just seems like another speech for woke points that any other shows may have
I really enjoyed the relationship between Otis and Ruby and I kind of rolled my eyes when they applied that Maeve and Otis got together and then it ended on a cliffhanger again alot of season 3 repeated itself way too much
As someone who just recently came out, the Eric/Adam break up really didn’t sit well with me. The narrative essentially supported Eric cheating because he was further ahead in his coming out story than Adam and it’s framed as this huge liberating thing for Eric instead of acknowledging that was he did was wrong and hurt Adam. Instead the show almost gaslights us into believing that the break up is Adam’s fault because he’s still learning and coming to terms with himself - which is a HORRIFYING thing to be pushing on young LGBT people - the idea that you’re only entitled to LGBT relationships and spaces once you’re fully comfortable with yourself. I was really upset with how they handled Adam and Eric’s relationship and to me felt like a gay relationship viewed through the heterosexual gaze.
exactly.
I was also originally very excited for Eric meeting Oba and going to the club because I was like "awesome, Eric will get to see how proud and comfortable others are in the intersection of their culture and sexuality and it will be liberating and beautiful" that part is great, but the cheating was completely unnecessary. He could have gone to the club and had the same development from the experience without cheating. Also, how old is Oba because he seems a lot older, like at least 20-25. Also yes, big agree about Adam. Eric would be patient and understanding enough to fall in love with someone who bullied him for years, but then turn around and decide that he's actually not patient enough to date someone who is still struggling with internalized homophobia (which is frankly most of the queer community to some degree). Also Adam developed shockingly fast. He was able to decide quite quickly that he wanted to bottom, which is often a difficult topic for people with internalized homophobia, and he was happy and comfortable wearing makeup and standing up for himself in the locker room, etc. Yes, there were still some things he needed to get past, but everybody has struggles that they need to work through, and if Eric was not willing to be a good partner during that, then frankly he shouldn't be in a relationship at all.
i dont think anyone would and side with eric here tho. esp bc the show did so well with adam’s storylines and character development.
agreed.
I disagree that the show blames Adam for Eric’s infidelity. What you need to remember is that Eric is 17 years old and, whilst he’s further along in his acceptance and understanding of himself as a young gay man, that doesn’t mean he truly knows what he wants.
He’s definitely in the wrong, and Adam is completely the victim, but I don’t think the show glorifies his decision; it just seems like a representation of what it’s like to feel enamoured with someone, only to find something else that you didn’t know you wanted and make a bad decision based on that.
The show is about growing up, warts and all, and Eric realising that he’s not as ready to help Adam along with his journey as he originally thought he was is understandable for a 17 year old. Of course, the cheating was unacceptable, but we all do things we’re not proud of, especially when we’re young.
Adam is the best and I hope we get to see him continue to learn to understand himself.
Obviously if you disagree with anything I’ve said, that’s fair enough and I wish you all the best 😊
I also got over Maeve and Otis this season, because I became really invested with Ruby, something I was NOT expecting.
Same. I wasn’t happy when they kissed hahahaha i was otis and ruby all the way
Also Otis looked so so so happy kissing ruby and getting to know her. Their chemistry is up the roof and I looove it. It never felt like there wasn't that spark, quite de contrary tbh otis and maeve this season felt so forced bc they barely even talked to each other until that trip
same here!! i wouldve loved to see otis come to love ruby and maybe just stay friends with maeve. isaac and maeve weren't bad too tbh
What kind of annoyed me about Cal was less about the fact that they came across as a bit of a prick, and more about the fact that they seemed to be more of an educational device for nb people. Like so much of their dialogue was just explaining what being nb means. Maybe that was intentional, as in being nb means you're constantly having to explain who you are to people, but... it just felt really preachy to me.
I must say, I really appreciate Eric's story arc of where he's able to learn to be comfortable and proud of who he is but still have a meaningful connection to his religion and conservative family. I relate to it a lot myself and personally haven't seen that kind of social dynamic portrayed in other queer characters before.
Guess what his storyline is in season 4
I 100% prefer Ruby and Otis together, and I also LOVE Maeve and Isaac together (especially the almost sex scene, as someone with a disability that made me SO FREAKING happy)
Yep, plus Otis and Maeve not ending up in a romantic relationship would subvert the cliche of the main guy and the main girl ending up together, and SE likes subverting tropes.
@@m_milos honestly i know they will but i REALLY hope otis and maeve dont get together. idc who they end up with but the will-they-wont-they thing has gone on for so long i barely care about any romance between them
I fully agree - I think that Maeve and Isaac were great together and I love the way this show handled Isaac's character making him flawed and interesting and fun, just like everyone else in the show whether they're straight or gay, white or not, rich or poor.
@@quasalor1480 Same!!
While I dislike the Isaac character he is a great addition to the cast and he has some amazing spots in this season (him stopping Maeve before they went further before telling her about the voicemail and the intimate scene) Otis and Ruby really should have lasted, probably the thing I disliked the most about the season
Adam and Ruby put themselves in vulnerable situations that they normally wouldn’t and grew from it and their reward for it is being left heartbroken
FOR REAL
i personally dont think that the point of the two characters' reward (i don't agree with using the word reward but cant find a better word to express my thoughts) is that they were left heart broken but rather it shows that no matter who you are, you are willing to put yourself and your heart out there for someone you love, even if there is a risk of rejection. Although the outcome was not desirable, i honestly believe these two characters were really brave for doing what they did :))
i also see potential chemistry between them as friends. I can imagine them initially having a conversation about the kardashians or some other common interest before it devolves into them crying while talking about their problems
That's the story is my life lol, so that realism hits.
i don't really see what otis did wrong to ruby, inherently. he didn't love her, and he was honest with her about that. that happens in teenage relationships. the whole "i love you", "that's nice" thing was very 17 year old boy.
i really thought when eric went to visit his family and he goes to that party with the guy from the wedding, that something was gonna happen to him like him getting kidnapped or drugged or something?? cus there was something so dodgy in the building up. then….. NOTHING happened
Ikr. In real life that was so dangerous. Imagine you are in a unknown country and you just went to this secret place with a total stranger with no idea how to get home and probably with no money as well.
Fuck me after watching Season 4, Season 3 is a masterpiece 😂😂😂😂😂😂