I'm designing a PC case! But I need your help
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- It's finally happening! I am collaborating with a case company to try and design a pc case! BUT I need your help...
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Here's my 2 cents:
-removable motherboard tray (for easy access to troubleshoot)
-flippable orientation (lefty-righty, also vertical-horizontal, not everyone's workstation looks the same)
-4 mounting points for triple rads (top, bottom, front, back, give us options for which airflow path we want)
Triple rads on the back?
Man, I just want a compact case.
two pump res mounts
Quad rad is a great idea but would be difficult to keep the floor profile under control especially with there not being a spot for power and having to do a dual chamber. Quad rads and a removable mobo tray is a nerve-wracking combo too. Makes plenty sense for an air build, not so much for a heavy water build.
Dual pump mounts for better temperature isolation is solid. Having a compact third would be great for water cooling RAM and SSDs.
Removable motherboard trays were a thing in the past and they ceased making them for a reason. They sound good on paper but ultimately they will not save you of much inconvenience and make case prices higher.
Removable trays have been done but don't work out practically speaking. You still need to unplug everything if you want to remove the MB in a built system. Second issue is the rigidity of the case after the tray is removed and I've even seen some warped due to shipping. Triple rads isn't a good feature. All you're doing is making your case into a hot box if you close off any clean intake. If anything, a dual layer/thick rad would be better for cooling.
My personal must-haves:
1 - cooling capacity. I want my components cool!
2 - Modularity. I think it would be great to give people the opportunity to change component orientation if they wanted to.
3 - Ease of use. Front panel connectors being one singular unit; space for cable management; the ability to work and troubleshoot without being totally cramped up
Neat to see you have the opportunity to provide input on a new case design!!
Having the front panel connectors as one singular unit has saved me SO much time and sanity.
Give an option for 5.25" bays. So many modern cases physically have the space inside, but it's all taken by fans. - Those back-panel fans you dislike are so obviously fitted in the space in front of the motherboard that used to be for drive bays. I'm guessing they're mostly filling up space because the front-back dimension needs to be so large for modern GPUs.
Perhaps a way of removing the top-front fan and adding a drive-bay cage instead. That'd still leave room for 2 front fans. Or make it slightly taller an allow a couple of drive bays above/below the typical 3 fans (ideal a way to let us choose).
An optional opaque, metal side panel would be nice for those of us who don't care about RBG. It's also a space for more mesh (or even a large side fan, those haven't been seen for a while and make more sense than fans on the back panel)
Funny that you bring this up, as Ive been looking into cases lately for a new build.
1. foot depth - No use having bottom fans if theres no airflow path under the case.
2. 140mm rear fan option - extra exhaust (even if most people wont put a fan back there)
3. main compartment width - with GPUs getting taller, there needs to be some space between the top of the card (or front if vertical mount) and the side panel for airflow.
4. weight - Im not saying "it cant be more than x pounds", but I dont clean my 011d as often as I should cause the whole build is STUPID heavy and awkward its just not worth moving unless I have to.
GPU exhaust and cable spacing is my big wish too.
Don't forget simple quality of life things - cases occasionally need to be moved, and are frequently placed on the floor, so make sure there's some decent way to grab and lift it near the top. Either shaped ridges or actual handles, or at least slits for straps.
Cases shouldnt ever be placed on the floor. They should at least be on some kind of stand to get them off the floor.
Just tall enough legs to be able to swoop your hand in the bottom should be enough
@@Elmamaguebo16Agreed on this point
@@lyianx What if you don't have room on top of the desk/table? I'm running triple 32" monitors and there's no place to put a case.
So, custom JTC case strap carry system
Some things im curently looking for in a case:
1. Removable motherboard tray
2. Removable fan/radiator trays
3. Space for 360/420 rads. Preferred 3 (top, front, bottom)
4.Large space for the PSU for ease of adding/removing cables as you adjust the build along the time of having it.
5.A good amount of cable tie downs, grommets, and space for cables to go.
6. MAKE THE DAMN CASE IO cable a single damn plug.
7. Add a (no fan) option on the purchasing options
8. Toolless deconstruction of the panels and removable trays.
9. At least 3 2.5 SSD mounting spaces.
10. If the case has installed RGB please make it compatible with all the big rgb configurators (arua sync etc)
2.5" SSDs 🤡
O11 D Evo rgb- XL edition
@@r0N1n_SD I'm honestly not a fan of the 011 case design. The fishtank is not my vibe.
@@PeterMcPhile was I wrong on the sizing? Your standard SSD is 2.5" is it not?
@@gregorypfeifer9117 Anything other than M.2 is disgusting
-At least 2*3.5 inch HDD space and at least 2*2.5 inch HDD/SSD space
-140mm backside exhaust fan
-Reversable motherboard tray (if you want it to be on the right side, not just the left)
-Single front IO plug instead of those dangly things
-GPU support and vertical mount with rotatable gpu IO mountings
YESSS 140 .... omg
BACKSIDE 140 FAN!!
Jay, I am one of those old guys that had a great middle school in the 90's that offered DOS navigation, and computer building as electives. My first custom loop was around 1995 and had a fish pond pump and auto store hoses with hose clamps, back when we had to cut holes in the side panels and roofs of cases to mount fans. I have built in everything imaginable and right now have been rocking a Phanteks nv7 that I think has design merit that was overlooked. It was so easy to only see that case as the next glass wrapped dual chamber clone that was all esthetics, but actually living with it and building loops in it some design language came through that was new to me. First off, the chimney style of air intake works well due to the angled bottom of the case. 140mm fans only fit there allowing for a CFM focus and not a pressure designed fan, which is important as it is the only intake. I usually hate the fans on the motherboard wall, however in this case they are used for exhaust through a 360 rad. There is enough room to allow a 44mm thick rad here in push pull config. The top of the case is unlike anything on the market, as the forehead of this case is almost 5in. I have a 60mm thick 360 rad up there in push / pull config as well with room to spare. There was clearly thought given to cleaning the loop, as there is a fill port in the roof, and areas for two drains in the base. Now the back door of this case I thought would mean nothing to me, however it does a great job in keeping dust out. I have the airflow very balanced, and that back door feature with the 50/50 mesh has unexpectedly kept this case cleaner than any I have ever used. Not only does it do that, but the door means you can hang pumps/fans/reservoirs out the back of the case. The cable management is mediocre at best, and there are some other quirks...but some of the design triumphs of this thing were overlooked by reviews that just said it was beautiful. Maybe that might give you some thoughts to consider in your build. Thank you and I always enjoy your content.
I think one of the best water cooling designs I’ve seen is the dual chamber from digital storm. You had the “component” chamber and the “radiator” chamber separated. The radiator chamber was unidirectional, in one side out the other, effective for removing heat from the case but also it didn’t blow the heat over the components and increase the ambient temp inside the case. Also kept the dust off of the shiny parts.
This is something I also want.
i think lianli also hase the same conept with the radiators with their ssupd that was shown at computex 23
HP has that and somehow patented it.. so no one else offers it. Hard to design around EATX when its not a standard. NR200 is all I ever needed.
"So, what kind of case would you like to make?"
"Bring Caselabs back..." - Jayz, probably.
Caselabs is already back... Kindda.
All wood case...be unique.
That is why I got a Thermaltake X9 before you couldn't get them any more. Closest thing to CaseLabs you could get but with an actually affordable price.
@@forsakensrb? Elaborate please lol
@@Makillda_ they were bought by an enthusiast based in Sweden, IIRC, and there are plans to revive the company, GN mentioned that in HWNews and Linus and Luke did on Wan Show
What I want to see more in a case
1 - Removable motherboard tray, removable fan trays
2 - Hinged and removable side doors for ease of access to troubleshoot/ clean
3 - More usb-c ports in the front or top of the case
1) cable management - keep it simple, lots of room, 30mm absolute minimum, 40mm preferably, no complicated moulded plastic channels that restrict your routing choice, just lots of places to tie cables down.
2) mounting space for pump-res, I wouldn't waste space and add depth for the sake of dedicated pump-Res mounting. I don't think there are many left that don't have mounting for 120/140mm fans, so just leave it at that. Maybe put some mounts on top of the PSU shroud for it?
3) you want to make a case that's more catered for watercooling, consider putting some pass-through holes into he motherboard tray for routing tubes in the back for super clean looking loops.
4) if the company you're doing this with makes a fan controller, get one included with the case and make sure it has temp sensor inputs, so you can run fan speed depending on loop temp like you're meant to
5) don't be afraid to make a case with a design that's a bit out of the norm. Make a case that you think looks great, add some colour and graphics to it if you want, do something fun with it!
This is your deal here, Jay. I know everyone is doing the side by side cases right now, but if you want top and bottom, do that. If nothing else, it'll buck the trend, and there will always be people who want something different.
If he wants to go different I'd say a horizontal cube type case like the CM Haf XB. I don't think there's been a case like that in a while.
You want to buck a trend, design a good horizontal case that is full ATX.
@@RAZGR1Z Sing me in for a modern cleaner take on that one, currently using an Aerocool Xpredator cube, for which I'm close to missing space for an extra HDD.
A couple things I would like to see in a case
- Make it wide enough to fit the tallest air coolers. One thing I don't like about the H9 Flow is that I had to get rid of my Noctua cooler because it was too tall
- Included gpu support bracket or vertical mounting kit
- Proper handles or hand holds to grip the case when you have to move it
- Either a removable motherboard tray or the ability to remove the top and or front panels completly for easy accessing to mounting the motherboard or aio's
- A proper single plug instead of single front panel headers
Someone already mentioned this but want to see atleast 1 5.25" drive bay. You can fit more than just physical media drives in them, one example is more storage drives.
Top, Side, and Front removable.
Tall enough feet that handles aren't needed and there's plenty of space for bottom fans to breath even when stuff gets knocked under the case.
Vertical GPU mounting with enough space to not choke the card.
Enough space for a tall tower cooler.
If dual chamber a full sized vertical PCIe slot in there too so that add-in cards like NIC's and HBA's don't get in the way of the GPU/GPU riser cable, a PCIe X1, X2, and X4 riser cable might be needed too.
One or Two 5.25" bays, can be put in the second chamber vertically, for mounting aftermarket drive bays or anything else, if there's not a card in the above slot, you can use it to pass through an external HBA and use this case to house extra NAS drives.
Top mounted hot plate with splash guards so even if i forget about my coffee it's still warm, if i remember to put my mug on the hot plate.
That’s interesting the H9 couldn’t fit your Noctua. My D15 fits into my H5 Flow with almost a centimeter gap.
Great list, rather than saying the same stuff again I'd just add to this I'd go with space for 360 rads at most. Yes 420 is better and gives you more to play with but most people (even water coolers aren't going to run 420s and I think cases look bad if there's lots of blank fan spaces.
While a single connector for front panel would be nice, the MB makers don't always set them up the same way. Asus provides a combined connector where you attach all the headers and then it plugs into the MB.
I would love to see:
1. a modular motherboard tray, being able to move it up down, left or right facing.
2. a mesh and a glass side panel that can be switched to either side.
3. An entire mesh panel on the rear i.o. side, for positive air flow escape.
And finally 4. With it being "mod friendly" all of the built in electronics like front panel io and such being easily removable so that I can take it outside and paint the case if I want to without a huge hassle. Magnets are our friends!
Jay I love that you have this opportunity and I know whatever you come up with will be better than I can imagine! And I'm looking forward to using it for my next build instead of a y70.
Just do not forget about HHD "accessory cage" for server users. So we can put 8-10 3,5 inch HDD's if needed. Nobody thinks about people who want more HDD's inside their computers.
Just grab a Jonsbo N4 bro. Trying to make one case satisfy all use cases including NAS server full of rust drives is a waste of time
This is an amazing video, glad you're working on a PC case design. I build PCs for a living so I hope I can help you out on your idea.
I'm personally never willing to pay more than $100 for a case, so this is my take on it. My must haves:
- Front mesh filter. No solid front panel.
- Enough room for cable management. If there are built-in velcro ties for cables, it's a plus.
- Hinged side panel.
- PSU shroud. Whether the side of the PSU is visible or not is irrelevant.
- PCIe slot covers must be reusable. I hate when you have to break them off.
Side notes: Rubber grommets are good. If the PC has tall legs it's really useful (helps the bottom fans and the PSU a lot). Easily removable front, bottom or top mesh filter is also a plus, but not a must. Built-in RGB hub is also a plus, but not a must. If the case comes with fans, they must be controlled by a button on the case.
With how specialised this case is gonna end up being, I don't see this being less than $150, probably $200+. Every point you've listed are definitely good, though.
Have you tried buying a $200 case? You'll find many with these features. That aside, a case is one part I spend money. Because it can last 2 or 3 builds.
@@georgejones5019 agreed, a good case stays good
I would also add single cable front panel header connector like what Phanteks has done recently.
So "Jays Case" is nothing for you and you are not the targeted audience.
Consider going for modularity. If the case can prolong its life by adapting to your needs, this will make me keep it longer than others. I remember loving the HAF LAN from Cooler Master, swelling it though due to inflexibility in storage compartment as requirements changed.
More cents:
- Yes on the PSU shroud
- Size for tall air cooling towers
- Cable management holes as tall as possible, sometimes a PSUs come with just the thiccest cables, I think I even prefer limited plate over holes
- if fan controller, can the positioning be perfected, come with extensions? In my Phanteks Enthoo, I always struggled with the power cable splitter stretched out
- Cooling in front, filters as many as possible
- Price up to 130 € max (non-glass version)
I have an idea that I think would add to a case for water cooling. Take your typical case, with an area in back for all of the routing wires and tubes. Add a 4” thick rear chamber , with a swinging frame/door. The chamber edges are perforated for air flow. All of the water cooling rads 3x360s are on the swinging door frame, along with a res/pump. The door would be on hinges, and removable. You could use quick disconnects to allow taking the door off completely.
The main advantage is outside air flows in the gap around all 4 sides into the chamber and out through the radiators. None of that air enters the case interior, which could easily be cooled by a few internal case fans that draw intake air, and pressurize the case.
As a design engineer specializing in HVAC systems:
* sees title *
**Frantically opens SolidWorks**
You can use mini-spit condenser as a big-ass fully passive radiator
I hope you come up with something good enough for Jay to either show everyone or utilize all or some of your design! Good luck friend!
I'd like to share some ideas for an CLC + Air-Cooled Case.
Mid-ATX Tower; just big enough to house a 360mm AIO, and a 180mm PSU, with 7-8 PCI-e Expansions Slots.
120mm Fans on the side, to feed air into the space under the GPU.
And an Airflow Shroud, to channel the air directly into the GPU Heatsink.
Possibly de-shroud the GPU, and Design a Bracket to mount some actually good fans maybe?
I should have looked for this comment first. Seems like it's a good time as any to marry the two things together: CPU Cooling and HVAC/Filtration control. Would be nice to not having to empty the Sahara Desert out of my PC twice a year and simultaneously breathe better without having to run some 20 air filters around me because I live in the Dust Bowl. Could be fun to see what happens.
Idk if its possible, but as someone dealing with a visual disability that came on in early adulthood, i was able to build computers fine before the disability. Now it is's quite difficult working even in roomier cases, it would be nice if the backplate that the motherboard screws into was able to be removable from the case, just to get the standoffs and those accompanying screws put in. would also make it easier to install the beefier cpu coolers.
1. Full tower or super tower. (for future proofing and easy of installing, who knows how big the 6090 will be)
2. Removable motherboard tray (This makes the upgrade process so much easier)
3. Removable/installable wheels. (Full towers and super towers are VERY heavy when you have to move them)
4. Highest speed USB slots and USB-C slots.
5. Duel chamber to make the front look nice and cable routing.
yea, no USB 2.0 on the front. Only 3.1 or C
No to the full/super tower. Mid or smaller!
@@kellywasden modular size
@@kellywasden boooo, hard to work in an limited space for high end hardware
How about a redesign of the ANTEC 1200 case. Great at air cooling but no provison for any bigger than a 240 AIO.
A few ideas I've had before based on life experiences...
1. Some sort of cover for rear IO/Power hiding. I don't touch the back of my PC much at all and have it under the desk on the side, seeing all the wires is distracting (this is a necessary setup atm sadly).
2. Built in channels to route cables through.
3. Plenty of room for cable management by the power supply.
4. A sturdy top. Got some huge corsair case I adore because it is so sturdy, I can put things on top like I would a little table.
5. Top/bottom that is thinner is my preferred.
Just some ideas that maybe can be integrated depending on how your design goes.
Hello Jay, my top 5 must-haves: 1. detachable motherboard tray; 2. vertical GPU mount and side wall far enough to let it cool; 3. room to put some controllers like RGB or fan controller; 4. hinged tempered glass with a steel frame for protection; 5. enough room to hide surplus cables behind the motherboard (esthetics). It would be nice to include a razer cable for vertical GPU mount and you can make the case a little bit future-proof by putting modular front IO (in case someone wants a new type of USB port or upgraded it). Best regards
5 stuff that tickles my case checklist
+ Rotatable GPU bracket (same bracket that can be re arrange)
+ Adjustable fan bracket mount on rails like Cosmos C700 series up to 3x 160mm as its just 480mm rad space/ 4x120mm fan space
+ Removable and adjustable motherboard tray
+ Maybe like Antec P120, optional front top slot hdd bay that is interchangeable with 5 inch optical bay (edits: change side fan vent from 480 mm to 360mm upon use) plus top mount PSU with removable psu cover
+ My biggest want - no riveted parts or permanent bindings, just normal screw please.
The removable/sliding mobo tray is something i like but forget about and all Screws (maybe some lock tite on it) would be nice for case mods.
@@zombl337og like be quiet dark base cases series, their rigidity and modularity of its mobo tray is the stuff
Only since you asked:
Solid side panel option (preferably ventilated/mesh with fan mounting options)
5.25 bays that can actually be used and accessed (modular would be nice)
modular motherboard tray so that it can be inversed if needed/wanted
a light in the back like the new Corsair One
modular front panel i/o so that it can be moved (top or bottom) and possibly upgraded/swapped out
"Solid side panel option (preferably ventilated/mesh with fan mounting options)"
You missed the entire section of him talking about side mounted fans fucking up airflow, didnt you? Having vents 'everywhere there can be vents' fucks with airflow and pressure. A Vented side panel would make cooling a bit worse because the air would be so turbulent inside or it would just vent out instead of going through rads (it will take the least resistance).
@@lyianx Bro is talking about old school side panels where fans directly blew fresh air on the GPU and CPU, not the back panels in the video.
@@lyianx Yeah as already pointed out you missed the point. Fans blowing directly at the GPU/CPU have proven to improve the thermals.
How about a 100% cooling oriented case?
The sides consist of two MoRas as intakes (with mesh filters). The Motherboard would hang in the middle between the two, giving both sides space to "breath" and of course for cable routing. Top would be a 420 radiator as exhaust. Bottom and back would be exhaust without fans or rad. Front would be a 420 radiator as intake (with mesh filter)
Air would get in from the front and sides, then exhausted top, bottom and back with positive pressure inside the case. Of course inside working with mounting brackets for ease of installation. Handle on top for transport. A true cooling beast. Normal operation only the 3x140mm front fans would run slowly. Fully ramped up the top 3x140mm would help, as well as 8x200mm from the two MoRas. And that's without going for push/pull which would double the fans 😂 no RGB, no window, no nothing. Just raw industrial performance 😅
Don't forget support for the connections on the back motherboards, it is only going to get more and more popular as it really cleans up the look of the build.
1. Storage is an issue nowadays. Company's have gotten away from HDD cages and limits the usability of transferred drives.
2. Air flow. Must have High Air Flow while remaining quiet. This is a must for me.
3. Customizability. It must be able to be set up in multiple ways to account for different hardware and different systems. No one wants to spend a bunch of money and not keep the case when it is time to upgrade the motherboard and CPU's/GPU's.
4 Must have water cooling capability. Must have radiator mounts or it is useless to me.
5. Cable management. Must have plenty of room for cables to hide excess cables from view.
These are 5 things I look for in a new case. There are more but these are the major ones. I haven't purchased a new case in over 11 years because of the storage issues of new cases and none of the new ones can accommodate my 5x HDD's along with my 3x 2.5" drives. And yes I have 2x M.2 drives also.
Just a few hours ago I've made an order for a DIY NAS which will be in a PC case that requires a lot of HDD drives. The literal only case that matched that criteria was the Fractal Define 7. I'm sure the XL version of it would accommodate all of your criteria.
I would kill for more than 2 HHD bays, you could litterally hide it under the PSU shroud, that would easily give us 3 or 4 bays.
So many cases come close to being perfect, but Ssds aren't cheap enough to replace all my HDDs yet. I'm still using my 7 years old plus Cougar Panzer Max case, at the time, it was the closest thing to a perfect PC case.
A hard drive cage and at least one 5 inch bay is a must for me. Yeah, you can do that stuff externally but finding space for multiple external drives on your desk can be difficult and look a bit cluttered. It's difficult to find a case that has room for all drive types as well as airflow for a larger GPU.
This is the biggest gripe I have with current PC cases.
At most I've seen cases with 4 mounting points for 2.5" drives but rarely more than 1-2 mounting points for 3.5" drives.
1. Room for 200mm fan air flow.
2. No glass option. Don't like glass. Don't need it.
3. Room for store drives. (2.5 at least)
4. Dust filter that does not restrict air floe.
5. Removable top for easy access to top motherboard cables. (or just easy access to all cables)
Hi Jay. For "optimal" airflow and circulation, what is preferable is that the fresh air supply comes from the bottom and at an angle of 22.5 degree, so that the air hits the motherboard and the below it. If you install 3 120mm fans, the air supply will be sufficient. there would be a possibility of adding a 140 mm fan at 45 degree, in the front and bottom of the case, at a certain distance, to "direct" the air more in the center and towards the rear, which will require the current rises upwards, in the radiator. Like this, a certain part will enter directly into the radiator of the video card and be expelled towards the back and the other part, caught in the fins of the CPU cooler. To really be better, you would need predefined "air passages", like in servers. I love the principle of an “open source” box. Thanks for everything Jay.
I had an idea for a very long time of a case with 3 5,25 inch bays that would run in parallel with the top fans(this would look like if you decide to put DVD players as three dvd players in a row length wise in parallel to the top fans and accesible through the top) the idea behind this would be like a second chamber behind the mother board tray where you can use the thre 5,25 inch bays to mount ssd u.2 hot swapable devices, or with a braket desing for it any kind of things like pumps, resivours, HDDs, heck even more usb connectors, in the case of the watercooling stuff this could help for the access for refills.
So basically it would look like if the secondary chamber that is a 1u server in vertical behind the mother board tray.
and a buch of other QoL things:
-removable mother board tray
-gpu anti sag braket
-old school watercooling hoes holes at the back
The EATX Fractal Torrent is close to perfection. Just add a little more room, behind, for cable management. And relocate jack slots on the front, not on the top.
Here are some probably very unpopular suggestions. A single 5.25" drive bay in the front! I'm a CD/DVD/BlueRay fanatic, be glad I'm not asking for space for a FDD... A good amount of drive bays, that case is large so having a lot of storage isn't that strange. OK So yes, I'm an old man who doesn't like RGB or big windows, so loose all glass for solid steel.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I don't dig the RGB gimmick neither. I remember my first PC in 1994 : 486 DX-2 66mhz with a "huge" 16 mb RAM and a HD of 522 mb! ;)
too big, we need more high end Matx cases.
But is it wise to exhaust heat from a 4090+14900K with the PSU?
@@brooklynforge4591 From a gamer point of view, the smaller a case is, the less flexible it is to make our build the way we want. Although, it is mucher harders to upgrade your gears, not to mention how way more difficult it is to cool your gaming pc!
Solid side panels as an option is great, never got into the window panel
Cheaper, lighter, better heat dissipation, less fragile, hides the unicorn vomit. At least have it as an option.
Agreed, in the suggestions I made I kinda compared it to the hood of a car. No need to show it off, let them ask "Pop the hood" ;)
then i would say side mounted fans air blowing right on the mobo and gpu my first real pc had a giant 200mm fan on the side the nzxt phantom was great for air flow
How about a mesh side panel? Excellent airflow, still see RGB, lighter than glass.
@@highlorddarkstar the cut out for a fan can do the same. Though that’s a great idea. I just like the old school style more
Removable top/bottom panels would be amazing. They make building a PC so much easier.
You could possibly do a different types of top panels that could have extra capacity and be an upgrade/option to the case. For example, a deeper top panel for thicker rads, or maybe a top panel with extra HDD cages.
Ensuring the rads can be setup with fans on either side. Some cases force you to only put fans on one side of the rad.
This is really exciting!
Things I’d love to see in a case are:
1 - removable/flip-able Motherboard tray so I can orient my PC on either side of my desk and keep the motherboard upright (I use an MSI Carbon right now in a Lian Li O11D and it irritates me to have the dragon upside down if I want my PC on the left side of my desk)
2 - built in place for a stats monitor screen, or at least a convenient place to put one that isn’t in the way of fans or tubes. (I use a raspberry Pi now with my water tubes molded around it to hold it up, but a proper place built into the case for it would be amazing)
3 - enough space in the back for really good cable management even with a larger power supply. I use one of the longer PSUs and it makes cable management a nightmare.
This is very specific and a lot of people won't care, but I loved my old Antec P180's hidden storage box that was perfect for keeping all the extra screws and other misc. hardware. It was super convenient having all the easy-to-lose parts with the computer itself for future upgrades and changes.
Heh, I have a P4 system running in a P180 (or is it a P182 - the one with the solid side panel with sound deadening material) case right now. The main downside with it is that it weighs over 30 pounds empty.
That little storage box is the reason I still have every bit of hardware from my P180. Super underrated, but super useful.
I still have the case, but now with a 12700K system in it.
That unironically sounds like something the perfect PC case would need
I have been thinking about this for a long time and I have never seen a case like I would suggest. Not sure if it’s even possible:
1)Turn the motherboard so the IO faces down.
2)Traditional fan placement at the front
3)Duplicate fan placement at the rear (air goes in and straight through the back, no redirecting)
4)Video card will now slot in vertically allowing airflow directly into it and eliminating sag problems
5)Drive bays move to the top along with front IO allowing quick access and expansion from the top of the case.
6)Power cord goes out the bottom along with any cords. As long as there is a minimum of 2” turn radius all cables should be fine.
I think there was a Dell prebuilt (ATX) that fits with your description. Dell Studio Xps 9100 I believe
Have you seen the Thermaltake CTE cases? sounds similar to what you are thinking of
I/O on the bottom is a non starter. I need access too often for that.
With the motherboard rotated no air would get to the cpu from the front as the graphics card would block it and most air coolers pull air from the front, and with your drive cages up top there wouldn’t be fans to send air, so your locked into either aio or custom water cooling
no need for easy access to drive bays anymore thanks to NVME drives
I wish you success with this project Jay. I've been contemplating on designing something myself. Unfortunately I don't have much of the tooling or even space to setup shop right now. I hope you make content on this and I can learn through you.
In no particular order.
1. Easy to build in. Ex: Holes and hole cover big enough to fit standard cables (ATX 24-pin) through and hole placement.
2. Enough room to fit the majority if not all major aftermarket brands. (Recently I found out that my EKWB/w active backplate for my EVGA 3090 FTW3 doesn't fit in the vertical slots of my Corsair Obsidian 500D). I had purchased everything for that case about a week and a half before your EKWB video came out :(
3. A nice covered area to hide all the power cables coming out of the PSU or an option to cover the PSU shroud if it's vented. Some have a vented shroud that you can see the cables.
4. Modularity. Having good options not just for the basic things, but for aftermarket as well. (Ex: Reservoir bracket placement, Vertical GPU mount placement) and being able to accommodate the different brands/sizes.
5. Leaving out any unnecessary things like a RGB button/fan controller on the front I/O etc.
6. Tool-less, door on a hinge, sturdy construction, clean lines, nothing too far out there in design.
Thanks for listening :)
Really hope it’ll have global availability cos this will for sure be my next case. But my 2 cents on it
- air and water cooling capable. Good custom loop support.
- external port for fill and drain valve installation
- side by side so you can have bottom and front intake for positive pressure setup (think NV7 but with good front vent too)
- dual chamber with good cable management channels and pass-throughs for your pump/res to hide that clutter.
- dedicated ventilation for PSU
- if dual chamber, place for fans in the back to get some airflow in the back chamber where your SSDs are.
- good ground clearance for bottom intake
-removable mobo and radiator trays for ease of bulding
5.25 quarter bay option would be nice. Solid side panel options would be nice, to be able to paint stuff, not everyone wants to glass/see through panels, back side of motherboard panel having a bit more depth, but not o11 case necessary. Like the bottom separated spacing for power supply with option of hard drive bay in the bottom
True, maybe someone doesn't want to see the components and doesn't Need the glass
This is everything I want in a case. I still use optical media!
Make it a sort of cube 2 chamber as well, like a Corsair 540, but more compact, and with something like vertical gpu mounting that also leaves room for the other pcie stuff (assuming ATX. With mATX, you can just lay the mobo itself flat and do away with a vertical mount)
The main reason I have not purchased a new case in over 11 years is they have moved away from HDD cages. I have 5 HDD's that I use for storage and can not see the sense in buying/building a server/NAS to accommodate my drives. Yes I have 2x M.2 drives and a couple 2.5 SSD's also so storage is an issue for me and would love to see a case that can accommodate these needs.
@@Demopans5990 I'm still using the 540, but I tend to agree with Jay here. It can be a problem finding room for it.
Top things I look and wish for
- cable channels/anchor points for cable management
- options for optical drive/front panel expansion
- built in RGB lighting for the case and case fans
- Unified case wires to connect to motherboard
- something to simplify power routing, like powerboard style connections to reduce cable clutter
Pretty much everything you said sounds really nice to me altough I do like the side the mounted fans but it's your case so go for whatever you feel better about.
Some things you didn't talk about during the video:
- space behind the motherboard tray to hide cables
- support for thicker fans (28mm, 30mm ect.)
- mounts for 3.5"/2.5" drives
- Front IO
- vertical GPU mount
One thing that I would LOVE to see more of is horizontal motherboard cases.
I currently have a CaseLabs BH8 but also owned a CaseLabs Mercury S8S in the past and both are horizontal motherboard cases.
I think a modern case with a horizontally orientated motherboard would be awesome. Think something like the O11 Dynamic but on it's side, with the "lower" chamber for PSU, drives, etc... and maybe with a fully glass side/top panel arrangement so you can see all your components.
Sorta like an aquarium.
There are ways you could do it as well and still have good air flow.
EDIT: I should note I wrote this before watching the video and Jay expressed his thoughts on thinner but taller cases. I still think there is a place for horizontal mobo cases.
I was thinking of the very same case myself.
How clean would a project zero or btf board look in a case like that these days....mmmmm
Oh, that'd be sick with a GPU side mount for aesthetics, SSDs and HDDs could be hidden with most of the cables below the MoBo and there could even be a sideways 5.25 bay for CD's next to the IO. Maybe a solid panel option with aditional rigidity to have the monitor on top of it too if someone would like to do that
This is something I wholly approve of, but Jay seems to want as small of a desktop footprint as possible - which unfortunately doesn't square (heh, square) well with a non-tower design.
Check out the Thermaltake Core V21, and note how all sides (including the bottom) can be swapped. Two mesh sides, a front 200mm fan, and not at all expensive.
so you want a desktop case not a tower case
@@bjorn1583 Exactly, so a desktop case? I'd love that too...... glaces at AT desktop case with my 486 in it to my right..... :)
Hear me out: A Fractal Torrent and Phanteks NV9 hybrid with a top mounted PSU + space for 2 140 exhaust (that also supports 240 rads). This goes in line with the vertical height philosophy and would allow 3 bottom and 3 front intake (with support for 360 rads). The Torrent proved that top mounted PSU design is being slept on and the NV9 graciously supports 2 140 exhaust and a 240 rad. The Torrent is an air cooling focused case and I'm definitely not a thermal engineer but if the rear is well perforated maybe, just maybe it can work for water cooling as well.
I hate top mounted PSUs. Makes cases too top heavy. and it interferes with space for top mounted rads.
@@lyianx fair, though let's be honest depending on the rad you're mounting on the top the system can be top heavy either way. I just respect the Torrent a lot and would like to see more cases like it
Easy Jay. Bring back the Hexgear R40.
- The extruded corner pieces can fit double panels. That way you have like 2cm. of free space between them so you could route your cables through this space. This could also be used to route watercooling tubes through.
- The double front panels could have the same pattern lightly shifted on each one, so a front view of the case would look really cool.
- For maximum compatibility: Many panel options.
Hey Jay, awesome to see this! I'm looking forward to what the outcome is. Here are my top 3 requirements, on top of what you mentioned in the video:
1. Ability to mount the GPU vertically or horizontally
2. Room to mount thick rads on the top and front and possibly on the bottom. Also compatibility to use the thicker fans such as the Phanteks T30s, or even push pull setup
3. No RGB controls on the front panel, aesthetically, do not want random unused buttons or connectors on the front panel.
4. No built in RGB, would rather add RGB is I want, no reason to drive up cost and force users into using RGB case.
Best of luck Jay!! Can't wait to see what you come up with!
1. Non-see-through side panel option. A stamped steel side panel is lighter and won't break.
2. At least 2 3.5" hard drive spaces. Spinners may be slow, but they're cheap. A couple of 2.5 drive spaces are also quite useful.
3. I know this is a 1% item, but an external 5.25 bay for an optical drive would be incredibly useful. I have a LOT of PC games on CD/DVD, and having to dig out the USB DVD drive to play them is a pain. Maybe behind a flip up door that would normally conceal the USB/headphone/SD(?) connectors. I would gladly give up the front panel USB for an optical drive, given that option.
It'd be cool if it had a buldge at the top where the drive bay resides with a flip up cover with the IO on top of it, could also open up the chance for a more excentric desing even if visuals isn't the primary concern. Maybe it would be an add-on with a panel you could detach to install the mount there on top?
Hell yeah! 5.25 drive bays FTW! At least one!
Man just get a case from the 90's no need to build a new one
YESSSSS. 5.25" drive bays NEED TO COME BACK. This is so ridiculous how sooooo many case manufacturers have just completely dumped them in the name of "mah air cooling" which, let's be honest, 95% of users aren't going to need the extra cooling actually, and the other 5% who really care that much about squeezing maximum performance out of every single component are just gonna water-cool their components anyway. It gets even more absurd when you see some cases STILL have awful air flow even after they've dumped all the 5.25" drive bays.
And for everyone else who is like, "Why do you need an optical drive bay, bro? it's not the 2000s anymore, bro," you can use 5.25" bays for SO MUCH MORE than just optical drives including hot-swap internal drive bay, optical drive, extra ports panel, storage drawer, water cooling reservoir, status screen, speaker/audio system, battery system, extra graphics card compartment, and extra fans (if there's enough bays). And you know what... Even coming back to the so-called outdated optical drives, some of us have blu-ray collections we want to be able to play on our PC, and still more of us use M-Discs as an extremely resilient way of archiving stuff.
I myself have a Phanteks Enthoo Pro and while I admit I don't use my optical drive often at all (don't have a blu-ray collection yet), I use my hot-swap drive bay ALL THE TIME. It is so choice.
@@FirestormX9 With massively outdated front-side ports and the cases sometimes really annoying to build in. Yeah, what a great idea... Admittedly, you can probably just switch out the front ports on many of the old cases if you really needed to, but you're REALLY gonna have to jerryrig it. And you know what, maybe some of us feel like the potential is there for us to go even better than 90s PC cases and want to see something new and exciting that actually pushes PC cases forward.
Jay, I would hope that you take some inspiration from the Fractal Pop case and add in the option to have an internal optical drive. I know most people don't use them anymore, but I get there are use cases for them.
That 5,25" bay compartment is clever, I would stick both an SSD and a HDD hot swappable bay there for my niche use case, but there are so many things that could be installed, it's a very nice to have thing.
Having had the Pop, and now North. A mesh of the two would be my ideal case. As Sam mentioned having an accessory to turn the 5.25” bays to do hot swap HHDs/SSDs would be icing on top!
Usb and card readers too
@@samuelortizs There are some audio equipment that can be mounted in the 5.25 drive bays now too.
I never understood, with as big as cases are, why they didn't keep at least one drive bay around. By the time the Pop came out, I already had my Lancool 2 so I wasn't going to buy a new case at that time… but by the time Jay's case comes out, I may be in the market again.
Either way, I'm excited to see what comes from this.
I like the beveled front corners with USB ports placed in them. Just looks really refined and is very ergonomic for the user on the Lancool 216 and Y70 cases.
Modularity:
A case that can be stripped down to bare essentials or added to with varying compartment sizes to choose from.
Inversible motherboard tray for dual pc symmetrical builds.
The option to be rack mounted.
Accessories to determine the function of PC (ie. drive cages for server builds).
2x 5.25 bays on the side behind the mother board tray, towards the front, in the basement, set back far enough that there's room for a front rad. (In the place where they usually cram a metal cage for 3.5in drives)
wide body, tall and long for video cards, plenty of 5.25 bays and lots of venting. stack-able is nice for couples. watercooling friendly is a must. good space for wires. mounting points for handles. fine steel mesh that can be washed and not decay like plastic.
Things I typically look for in a case: Full Tower with room for lots of fans/good air flow, psu shroud/compartment, and space for decent cable management. Another cool option would be a removable motherboard tray. Overall, the more modular the better for a variety of build options/future proofing. This is so awesome that you're designing a pc case, Jay!
I wanted to take some time to think about what are ,y favorite things from cases to make a perfect case.
1. Front IO being on the bottom of the case and moveable. So modularity.
2. A removable motherboard try and back panel. So I can I pretty much,cub build the pc outside the case and move it back in. Or a removable top to make it easier to assemble.
3. Generous cut outs for cables. I have larger hands so tiny cut outs are a real pain.
4. I like where run cut outs are but not the pointy cable channels that are a few cables thick. Not all cables work with those.
5. A nice to have would be two dedicated spots for two pump/res combo units for double loops… but that’s a pipe dream lol.
Honestly... while it likely wouldn't suit the majority of people's use cases (ha... cases... get it!)... it would be REALLY cool to see a computer case that could both be freestanding on some removable feet AND optionally rack-mountable via just having attachment points that fit a set of rails; which means that the case has additional use later in life if it is ever repurposed in a server rack. This would also give you the rough dimensions of the case if you were to base it around a standard 3U or 4U rack size. Plus there aren't really that many "pretty" rack-mount cases, especially not that many that have been configured out of the box well for watercooling (that you can obtain as a consumer anyway...). When you discuss compartments; practically in a lot of enterprise systems, they also use a lot of ducting throughout the systems to enhance airflow over various components to increase cooling efficiency; but there don't seem to be any cases using this sort of a technique to vent a radiator with high static pressure fans (which would potentially provide the option of placing a radiator somewhere you can't typically locate one in terms of venting directionality, to save space). Strictly speaking if you want a completely watercooled system for both CPU and GPU; it would be better to mount the radiators and fans on an external face of the case; in a compartment that isn't connected to the components, making sure the majority of the heat generated by the system never touches the internal components again, venting to completely fresh and unoccluded air. Looking forward to see what you come up with!
I’d like to see 5.25 drive bays. Not so much for drives, but for multi storage devices, monitoring devices, and/or control devices for things inside the case.
I like hinged panels, preferably made of glass. If not hinged, at least make it screwless (except for shipping).
I’m also with you about having at least two (2) 420mm rads. 1 on top, front and /or bottom.
Super excited for this. Might upgrade my case finally. Things I’d want:
-mounts for large fans like 180/200mm fans in the front. I love large, quiet, powerful fans.
-good front IO
-PSU at the top for fans/rad at the bottom
A few things:
1. Bring back a side panel with support for 1 or 2 - 120mm fans but keep it glass (I know, pricy idea, but make that panel an extra purchase option).
2. Embrace the idea of "Push-Pull" option. Set the case up to have 3 options over 2 360 locations. 3 fans/3 fans and rad or push/pull and rad. Even if the mess panel was just set up to mount an outer layer of fans, as most fans look good anyway, might be a new and interesting design seeing a lay of fans on the outside of the mess panel.
3. Rotatable GPU bracket. Get rid of these bulky vertical GPU brackets suck. If you are going full water cooled and are concerned with MB and M.2 temps, you need the GPU vertical if doing chimney cooling. Not so much with standard GPU mount, but if not there still isn't much airflow over the lower section of the MB, M.2 and chipset sections.
here is my ideal case jay as a air/aio cooling long PC user , and I think as and old school like myself you would agree:
1- get rid of tempered glass, but offer it as separate purchase (reduce weight and price overall).
2- mesh sidecover with custom mounting fan installation possibilities on the side cover, front mesh cover 360 fans size. with replaceable fabric mesh possibly?
3- PSU on the bottom with a cover and next to the psu are hdd 4 drive bays 2 rows by 2 each.
4- 2 front 3.1 usb-c 1 fast charging and 1 for data+ 2 other USB-A 3.1.
5- possibility of standoff for the case like legs or even wheels for better airflow and breathing.
6- not assembled case option for cheaper price and also DIY love and experience (users can do custom paints and decals).
7- straps/ handles maybe? especially if you are designing mini itx lan version.
my reasoning for a lot of this suggestion are overseas unlike america/europe, there is a lack of different brand and sometimes it is expensive because of weight/shipping costs.
I know a lot of your viewers and you specially is water cooling enthusiasts so maybe consider these ideas for another case? also how about "turntable" pc case style? like flat&wide ( ATX PC-07 for example) but short so you can see everything but can be installed in creative places or even on table with figurines on top?
Imagine if V3000+ and SMA8 had a baby… that is what I want.
Hell yeah brother
I really like how the Lian Li 216 has the exhaust fan over the pci express ports to pull more hot air from around the gpu out of the case. I also like the duct system on the System76 Nebula cases and their side air intake that sits right over the gpus. Strategically placed sound dampening foam for reducing coil whine is also a nice feature like seen in some of the be quiet cases.
Hello Jay,
Good luck with this project. I really like the points you mentioned and I have high hopes for this case. Here are some requests from my side:
1. Rear compartment which can house 2 Pump/Res Combos - I never felt that a Res should be showed off and I certainly do not get the Distro-Plate direction. I put my pump in the rear compartment of the O11D EVO XL and love it. If it will be a part of the design, please remember to make easy pass-throughs for the tubes between the compartments
2. Positions of the Radiators should be aligned with each other (also considering the cases depth) to allow a straight tube connecting them - whether you go Top & Bottom or Front to Back, this greatly increases aesthetics and having clean straight line connecting them can look great.
3. Included options for special GPU mounting - For a WC Enthusiast case, the last place I'd want my GPU is in the slot. Instead I'd like to be able to show it off. Including special options with a Riser Cable can be costly, but a well-designed solution can be awesome. Maybe include it as an option.
4. Symmetry! I love symmetry, hence point 2. I like cases that allow rads to be positioned at opposite ends, of course, but also for all of the internal layout to be as symmetrical as possible.
5. The IO Ports can be positioned nearly anywhere as long as there is some clever way of accessing them. SilverStone Raven RV02 worked perfectly with IO in the top, for example. As it is primarily for WC, let the IO plate's position support Point 4 rather than think you have to put it in the back.
Thanks for your consideration! :)
at least one 5.25 drive bay? remember optical drives are not the only things that can go into one of those
I second this notion
I still have 2 Blu-Ray drives
Atleast a slim drive Pls. Very useful to ha e one hidden away.
@@TheObsesedAnimeFreaks and with one of those slim drives, slot-loading, or tray, it could easily be side mounted as to not block any front fan mounts
its 2024 man...just let it go
BRING BACK SIDEPANEL FANS!!!
1. MB tray that shifts up and down and IN and OUT and that is removable to assemble the MB outside the case first.
2. Rad/fan plates that shift in and out (for alignment) on the top and front (with the room you spoke of for fittings/rads/fans).
3. Enough space for EXTRA THICK rads and fans in a push/pull configuration on both the top and the front.
4. Enough depth in the case to fit things on the front glass side AND back (wire side) of the case with plenty of grommeted slots for cable management on all sides of the MB.
5. A movable PSU location which in my opinion should be located in the back (wire side), not bottom front under the MB.
Been designing cases for fun since about 2014! Some thoughts:
- square frame, top, bottom, front, and rear panels interchangeable so that the case can be not only inverted but also rotated
- option for taller legs or wheels
- flat pack, no rivets to make painting easy
- removable fan/rad brackets
- proper gpu support, adjustable height bracket mounted to frame. (wish they'd bring back the built in bracket old full length pci cards had but gpus are too long now...)
- handles
- modular front I/O
- light in the rear powered by +5VSB
- external mounts for fill and drain valve
- no zip tie mounts, include a bunch of command adhesive strips and hooks instead and let the user choose where to place them
Perhaps we could create a super modular case a la Inwin Modfree:
- could have included modules that let you choose between dual chamber w/ extra fans, shrouded bottom mount psu, etc
- expansion units with 5.25" bays or built in trayless 3.5" hot swap bays would be neat
- perhaps the main frame could be just big enough to accommodate an itx board with a psu and if you add modules you can swap out a bracket on the back panel for more pci slots and fit an ssi ceb or even eeb board
- parts availability and dimensions on website so you can make custom panels
1. Built in GPU support bracket, especially with how long and girthy graphics cards have gotten.
2. If there is a PSU shroud have holes placed where you can get your 8/12pin to the side of your GPU best, and mounting holes for fans/reservoirs/radiators
3. extra space allotted for fitting on the end of radiators.
4. Built in Vertical GPU mount option.
5. project zero/BTF/plug ins behind the board support
Price: 200 or below. Anything more and you can better spend money elsewhere. But you should get what you pay for, if it needs to be 200 to get there so be it.
Aesthetically, something I've never been able to find in a PC case is complete featurelessness. No windows, lights, logos, lines or angles. Personally, I want flat featureless panels on all sides with no seams. Have a skeleton for the parts to mount on, and then slide that skeleton into a vanta-black shroud with no lines or perforations, just a single featureless steel box. Only part of the shroud that is open would be the bottom and back. No front IO, just a power button hidden under the front. Power button is connected to the motherboard via a built-in connection on the skeleton, which would snap into place when it is inserted into the shroud. The shroud could even be connected to the skeleton on guide rails, so whenever you wanna do an upgrade or show off your parts, just undo a clasp and the whole exterior slides forward, revealing the mounting skeleton inside.
I have also been looking for a case like that. The only thing close I have found is the fractal pop silent.
Im glad its not just me 🙌
So like some apple desktops from years ago
You could probably just look for an old school office style case, though it may not be very compatible with some hardware
Smallest case with wide hw support possible:
-ATX mobo, ATX psu, vertical gpu mount so cpu and gpu can share airflow.
~325x350x250 internally
-Top, bottom, front and rear all solid.
-PSU fan facing opposite the motherboard and a single high porosity mesh side panel with mounting for 4 140 mm fans or 2 280x30 rads over the motherboard and gpu.
-Invertable by swapping top and bottom panels.
-PSU sits on the bottom of the case inverted with a right angled cable.
-Space behind motherboard can be used for hdds.
-Inverted space above PSU for pump/res/drive cage and fill port on top panel.
I like the idea of a fully modular case where you can buy the basic framework and then buy all the panels, compartments, trays, etc a la carte. That way you can configure the case to fit your build idea and by swapping a few pieces, you could have a very different case for a new build.
Things I'd love to see in a PC case:
* Higher case legs so I dont need to put the case on top of wood blocks (or ikea wheels base) for bottom fan intake
* Cutouts for all models of rear-mounted connector motherboards (hoping back-panel connectors get more traction)
* Ridges (like "speed bumps") on the back of the motherboard tray to increase rigidity
* Rolled edges on all openings / cutouts, so they're not sharp (and increase strength)
* 3+ sections of front-panel so we can either have mesh & fans... or take off 1-3 of the meshes & fans to put 5.25-inch bays for raid drives, etc.
* Option for windowed or metal panel (I prefer windowless)
I took a Lian Li O11 Dyanmic Evo XL, double sided taped rubber feet onto the non-glass side panel, and use it horizontally 💡🤔💭 Horizontal PC cases are under-utilized. Best part is, I don't need to support the GPU 😀👍
thats a neat idea
I was thinking the same a horizontal lianli o11 would be nice but longer and more stretched with front io on the side that connected to rear io (for an o11 would be bottom right ) with legs about 2 times as tall and if its around 150 it will sell well
hmmm, you might be onto something :) It seems i need to rearrange my desk.
Thermaltake has a giant one, Level 20 XT
One of my favorite cases ever has been the Lian Li Lancool II Mesh. It looks sharp, has a basement with lots of airflow direct to the GPU. if you're going to design a case, you should make it be a more affordable Skunkworks like case. Room for fans or radiators in the basement and front without going absolutely bonkers with the size and cost, with mesh vents on the sides of the basement, sort of like the Lancool II but make it your own. It is a design that's iconic for your channel after all.
I love pull and push configuration from the same rad, pulling through what is pushed into the rad. I would love a system where the top of the case has a slick reservoir built into it along the end the back of the mobo sits or in front. Maybe include fluid level markings so you can see over time you are dropping in levels. It could even be a stand alone purchase able mod that exists for that case so it sits at the top of the loop and it can push out the air that builds in the system and a 360 rad is 1/2 inch below the reservoir level so it can't form air in it either.
My perfect case has room for the following.
Musts:
2x 360 rads
3x 5 1/4” bays
eatx support
Would be nice:
10 hdd bays
4 ssd bays minimum
After that, I can customize everything else with wonderful cutting tools 😂
1. Room. For. Cables. For the love of dog. Room for all the silly cables from pumps, leds, fans, and the like. I'd love to have some kind of channels or guides with clips or something in the back.
2. Speaking of room; room for the power supply's wiring without having to cram them.
3. Filters I can get to without needing to unplug everything and turn my case around.
4. Better fitting slots for expansion cards on the back of the case. It seems like they are made a touch too narrow, so you can't quite plug in an hdmi cable.
5. Some kind of thin frame around the glass panel for protecting the edges and corners.
6. A touch more height to accomodate where radiators and fans always run into each other.
jay is going somewhere with these words that i can understand and i like it, i would love to see this take off and would love to build a system inside of a JTC case
I really love and really miss the flat, desktop cases!
besides that, my top five options are:
- I want back the sliding, MoBo trays!
- Exchangeable front panel, along with a couple of optional 5,25" bays in the front.
- Preparations for external drip-free fluid couplers on the bottom, if somebody wants to use any external cooling
- ANY shade of blue (Most likely some eloxed surface with hard eloxing)
- Optional taller (like additional 1" (2,54mm) for better air intake capability from the bottom
Plus one:
- Vertical VGA mount, with sufficient distance from the glass side panel.... (it seems, it is still not really obvious, or taken care of any case suppliers...)
What if my case idea involves being inside of a desk?
Linus tech tips
It would be hard to use your case if you were inside a desk
@@kenwilliams3279 Yeah but not some overblown useless bajillion dollar thing like they did
@@MichaelKnouff i do sometimes get stuck in my desk any tips not to get stuck tho (I was looking for my door keys)
@@kenwilliams3279LTT is an amateur. Go chech out DIY Perks latest build.
Betting it's corsair, cougar or inwin
"We've never designed a case specifically for open loop watercooling" rules out Corsair and InWin
I would guess Antec or Zalman. They've been around forever.
I would bet Lian-Li, Thermaltake, or Corsair. Lian-Li already knows how well it can work from the O11, but could use something fresh (not already copied by everybody). Thermaltake is willing to get creative. Corsair could also be looking for a design to showcase their own brand of custom water cooling components. All 3 seem to also have decent relationships with most creators to solicit a partnership.
@@Sean-km7ht I'm pretty sure Jay would rather quit RUclips than work with Thermaltake after what they did to CaseLabs
@@RubyRoks Honestly, I doubt it given how open he has been about being willing to consider working with sponsors he's publicly dropped before. He could also see working with them as an opportunity to redeem themselves in his eyes. No company in the industry is completely "clean" and he's very aware of that.
Honestly I love your priorities for case design (the airflow and cable management especially)! I'm stuck with a terrible factory-built Inspiron 5680 for now but have been learning as much as I can for if/when I can do my first build. Unfortunately that means I'm not the best to offer suggestions. Super interested in the end result though! This is a very exciting project
Good water-cooling capacity support with glass and good front I/O (usb c, high speed + audio). Also ease of use, like being able to access the motherboard from behind the tray for coolers and things like that. (while also looking good). Honestly I really dig the singularity cases sort of cyberpunk look.
1:30 - Phil, we want to see imagery of Jay's input being puked out of his brain.
With one of the images being the car Homer designs in The Simpsons (with the Cybertruck right next to it).
my all time favorite case so far, is my dark base pro 900 white. completely reversible is neat. but one thing I'd really like, is a space/slot that fits fan hubs/controllers so it wouldnt require the double sided tape.
For me number one is quality. Tight manufactured gaps and some solid steel. Apart from that, like you said, consider as many options for mounting stuff. So think of as many different loops as possible in that case, so you realize if there's any compatibility issues. Oh and also, good screws that don't strip after cleaning your PC for the second or third time. Good luck Jay, you got this
1. One thing I wish would come back would be the "all 3.5" bays" front design, where you have 'inserts' that can accommodate almost anything - like fan mounts, pump mounts, hdds, ssds, and even move the front IO up and down to where you wish. ( Pretty much thermaltake armor series cases ). This would also allow insane freedom in choosing the fan + rad setup locations to allow for top and front mount setups with dual loops and all that, that Jay mentioned was a mission to do loop bends around.
2. I personally prefer the bottom to top design from the kinda-new coolermaster case, I think it was called the sl600m, although this wont work with the above feature.
After listening to jays ideas, I do think it would be difficult to incorporate most or all of the requirements into one case. He might get what he wants if he does 2 x designs, where one if the full tower with all the bells and whistles, and one is a mid case with most of the features but is cost effective ( or at least MORE cost effective ). Maybe the full design has a basement and the mid design does not ? dont know could be cool xD
Best of wishes for the design challenge though ! I do hope you make a vlog style video documenting the process if possible !
I was considering pretty much what you would want in a pc case when I currently building. I choose Phanteks G500A with the pre-installed 140mm fans and bought 2 packs of the Iceberg Thermal IceGale 140mm fans. I filled the rest of fan slots with 140mm fans. Another case I was looking at was Lian-Li Lancool 215 because of the 2x200mm in the front of the case, but this one is limited on radiator size. There were over the top expensive cases like Lian-Li V3000 and Anidees AI Crystal XL Pro Lite, where these cases had multiple options where radiators can go and lots of locations.
A couple of peripheral considerations:
• not everyone has room for their case on the desk at all, a purpose made stand, maybe as an optional extra, maybe a couple of different heights would be useful to some people.
• water-cooled systems are heavy, how about incorporating some suitable lifting points into the case itself so we can get a secure grip when trying to get it on and off the desk once it is all built up.
• GPU support system, if you are going to have the guts on show through the glass side panel, the GPU bracket wants to fit the aesthetic.
PS: I probably know nothing about cases, I'm still drilling holes in my 2006 made Thermaltake Kandalf LCS case to fit the latest tech inside it... 😂
In terms of design, I love the new Fractal cases that have wood accents. It really adds some natural warmth to the case and feels very unique compared to other cases on the market
Here is what I see as must have (that cases often don't have):
- Air filters that are easy to detach for cleaning ie. that should not require me to disassemble the case, disconnect cables or use tools.
- Room for extra long expansion cards.
- Motherboard should be oriented so ports are oriented up rather than back, it is so handy for when putting the case on the floor. Some Silverstone cases are like that.
love this idea for making a custom loop focused case
some thoughts of mine are , a dual chamber design similar to the 011 dynamic or the sma8 , i love how the sma8 has a dedicated space for radiators separated from the main chamber that holds the motherboard board.
i also think support for a dual loop system would be ideal. especially when it comes to maintaining the system and not having to drain the entire loop just to have access to motherboard for component changes
another idea is having built in pass through fittings to the separate chambers, that would help with planning your tubing routes and keeping the main chamber clutter free, for good airflow , pass through fittings may also help with placing drain and fill ports for easier maintenance
hope this helps! and good luck jay!
Hi Jayz, late to seeing this video, but here's my twocents (pun intended).
1. Support for 180/200mm fans (I like how quiet they are for the amount of air they can push through and there just aren't enough cases that embrace this)
2. An angled front fan (something similar to what you would see in some older alienware cases, I always liked how they provide a strong cross current to the gpu)
3. A built-in or accessory 3-point system for supporting GPU sag (they're so heavy these days that I just can't escape the worry of them breaking and lower fans sometimes limit what you can use)
4. A built in fan hub (one of my favorite features of the Torrent)
5. Higher Feet (something Steve commented on at one point was restriction to lower intake fans due to low feet in a lot of cases)
6. To borrow from everyone else, a removable motherboard tray to make mounting and cable connection easier
You'll notice a lot of these have elements of or direct features of the Fractal Torrent - that's because it is hands down one of my favorite cases for air or water cooling. Your spin on their philosophy I think would make it shine even more.
With watercooling and also a straight airflow in mind, I would like to see a case that has room for a radiator in the top and bottom (with feet that are elevated enough from the ground to allow for enough air intake) and a third radiator in the front.
The one in the front would need to be shorter to allow for the fittings on top and bottom but the front spot would mainly be reserved for pump/res combos or a distro plate (maybe as an option for the case). This would require to have a PSU compartment in the back though but I like that since it also allows for any 3.5" or 2.5" drives in the back - maybe even with a drive sled.
I'm a big fan of side-by side, but I have plenty of desk space for my build. But I'm also a huge fan of the O11 Dynamic, as that's what I have my current build in. Nothing wrong with doing your own thing and what you like with your case design.
My biggest bugbear has always been that the space above the motherboard is not enough - even the heftiest cases can just about fit a 30mm rad and fans and it is a fight to get it in. The ideal case would have an 80mm space above the mobo so that you could mount a 50mm thick rad with up to 25mm thick fans.
I really like the Phanteks Enthoo Pro 2, because I like dust filters and a dual system setup. So I would make something like that with a few adjustments:
1. Make the case taller so it can house thick radiators and 30 mm thick fans on the top while not obscuring the motherboard. Right now there is an overhang and some components on the motherboard became inaccessible after mounting the top rad. This would also allow the bottom fan mounting rack removable post installation of a 480mm rad in the front.
2. Make the top of the case removable so the rad is easier to install.
3. Make room for a second power supply so the case does not have to rely on specialized dual system power supplies.
4. Make the case longer so it can house a thick radiator in the front as well with 30mm thick fans. Right now there is a limitation on thicker radiators if both top and front rads are thick.
3x140 front fans, 3x140 top or 3x140 bottom
Reversible psu layout for top and bottom mount options.
Optional placement for water cooling distro plate. Right after fans in front.
I prefer narrower and taller. Max 11” wide.
Case sizing like a full tower over a super tower
Price without fans under max $150, with fans $200.
I've always been a fan of the silverstone rotated board layout. Makes heat flow easier and also takes the pain off the gpu socket. My new Alta F2, my previous raven Rv01 and also the Rv02 and Rv05 have never given me the parts (gpu) failure I had from a standard designed Case.