Fabulous!! Great questions and Jim Hessler rocks!! Those visiting Little Big Horn MUST also include a side trip to Fetterman Massacre site (only about an hour south) near Sheridan, WY!!
What a great way to reinvigorate interest in Custer and the Little Bighorn. You and Hessler were very enjoyable to listen to. I guess I'll have to dive back in to this whole thing again now. Thanks a lot (sarcasm)!
@@addressinggettysburg the night march was detrimental. The horses had no water. Everyone was tired. Custer was notorious for losing half of his command during battles in the Civil War. believe he thought his men would catch a second wind but unfortunately the 7th Cavalry wasn't as excited to find the Indians. They were tired, sunbeaten, and vulnerable. Reno, got his ass beat between his mad dash from the timbers towards the hill. What was Custer thinking?! While he sent Benteen on ANOTHER march in the hott sun, then begrudgingly shuffing BACK.. finding Reno now, bewildered. Shooting a pistol mad eyed at the river. Everyone was fatigued, exhausted and scared. Benteennhad a shy willingness, to make a move towards Custer. He found refugee during the entire Campaign, with Reno... while he felt uncomfortable around Custer. He was in no rush to move, they were tired.They should be ashamed of themselves for not backing Custer, but at the same time.. they might of avoided the massacre altogether because of how fatigued they must of been.
on the rifle reliability issue. how would the extractor failure arguments fit in with combat stress, dirt, black powder, and slamming the cover in a hurry or to get the shell out. stomp on a m16 charging handle with a "really stuck" case will cause extractor failure.
Saw a bumper sticker years ago with a pic of Sitting Bull “Custer had it coming…”. Great show, very interesting. According to IMBD the low ratings of the Son of the Morning Star mini series led ABC to pull the plug on funding for The Killer Angels, subsequently picked up by Ted Turner and TNT
That’s funny you mention that. I was just reading an article about the movie in the Civil War Times. The issue was from the 90s. I learned that fact about ABC just a few days ago in that article. Funny how things work like that.
Very engaging discussion, t/y. The size of the LBH battlefied and its three separate / distinct, "Hills" Reno, Calhoun & LastStand - new information to a long-time but only vaguely aware of details reader - had always assumed just one "last stand" locale. And to that end, never been to the Montana ground but living in similar type, "rollling hills" location, have stood among them and tried to gauge distances between Not easy - further than one mile seems rather difficult to distinguish; certainly smoke from gunfire & dust kicked up from horses' hooves would be noticeable of course. Just a civilian's observations mine however ... Custer's Last Stand as you mention, does seem more "known" in Americana than Gettysburg - both utterly historic of course ... God bless our land and those who fought to give us it. And respect for the redman as well.
You’re right about distances out there. I stayed at a ranch in Wyoming. We could see what I later learned were the snowcapped Bighorn Mountains. I forget now what the distance they told us the mountains were from where we stood, but it was way more than I thought we’d be able to see.
Reno’s report is only his. Custer is not there to reply. The idea that Custer was going to follow Reno is nonsense, it’s illogical. It‘s virtually certain Custer at officers‘ call would have planned a pincer movement which was so successful st Washita. Btw correction, on the skirmish line hadn’t lost more than one possibly two troopers at most. In the timber it was made up as a sunken old oxbow river bank for cover as well as as the timber. Eyewitnesses day it was eminently defensible. There’s even an Indian testimony saying they couldn’t understand why they left the timber. All Reno‘s devastating losses occurred when he retreated out of the woods towards the river and became an Indian buffalo hunt.
Why do you say “we” stole the black hills? Who is “we”? I hate that people collectively assume responsibility for things like this. We weren’t here. Evidently the Indians couldn’t defend it and it was taken cry me a river
It’s much easier to find something I disagree with or wasn’t entertained by in two hours than the opposite. It’s a very good podcast host and guest chill
Semantics but ... there is a difference between stolen & conquered. There is indeed a, "terrible glory" so to speak about nature's survival of the fittest - the lion on the African veldt and man on the western plain. Sadness endured for the dispossessed not saying otherwise.
@@Drewpeanuts1 Indeed, the Black Hills ‘belonged’ to the Crow nation before they were pushed out by the ‘Sioux’ which is why so many Crow and other native Americans were enrolled and accompanied 7th Cav, as scouts, about 7+ percent.
This is good. Some details about the battle were not discussed but, overall, this is a damn good discussion about the Little Bighorn. There are a few errors - for example, there were very few Arapaho Indians at the Little Bighorn; in fact, if I remember aright, I don't believe there were more than six Arapaho warriors in the battle - hardly a whole tribe.
@@addressinggettysburg Yes, though I never heard these five warriors referred to as such. But there were only half-a-dozen or so Arapahos in the Little Bighorn village on June 25, 1876. My facts might be slightly askew, but I believe these 5 Arapahos were actually detained in the village. The Sioux and Cheyenne thought they might've been scouts for the Bluecoats. When the Seventh Cavalry attacked their camp, the Sioux practically forced these five warriors to fight - perhaps to prove they were not actually scouts for the U.S. Army? In any event, the five Arapahos did fight in the battle, albeit reluctantly. A couple - maybe more - were killed, and I think one of them - in the chaotic frenzy of battle - accidentally killed a Sioux warrior, or he was killed by a Sioux warrior. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the source of this information. Were it not so, I'd better be able to provide you with more intrinsic details. Be that as it may, one thing is for certain: the Arapahos, as a tribe, were not present at the Little Bighorn; it was just a few Arapaho warriors, and they were not there voluntarily.
Dude , Jim is the s**t! Love his takes on the history, brother. Those who don’t know the real Custer are missing out.
I agree!
Great stuff! Little Bighorn is a big fascination of mine.
Same here! (Obviously).
Fabulous!! Great questions and Jim Hessler rocks!!
Those visiting Little Big Horn MUST also include a side trip to Fetterman Massacre site (only about an hour south) near Sheridan, WY!!
Thanks for listening!
What a great way to reinvigorate interest in Custer and the Little Bighorn. You and Hessler were very enjoyable to listen to. I guess I'll have to dive back in to this whole thing again now. Thanks a lot (sarcasm)!
Thank you. LBH is one of my favorite palette cleansers
Jim Hessler.
Always good. Never fails.
Thanks.
Yessir
Getting one of Little Big Horn books ASAP. Rekindled the interest. Well done!
I LOVE Custer!!! Great theme... Thank You!
Thank you. That theme is from a miniseries called Som of the Morning Star. I can only find it on RUclips but it’s good. Great book too
Fascinating! Thanks guys
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@addressinggettysburg the night march was detrimental. The horses had no water. Everyone was tired. Custer was notorious for losing half of his command during battles in the Civil War. believe he thought his men would catch a second wind but unfortunately the 7th Cavalry wasn't as excited to find the Indians. They were tired, sunbeaten, and vulnerable. Reno, got his ass beat between his mad dash from the timbers towards the hill. What was Custer thinking?! While he sent Benteen on ANOTHER march in the hott sun, then begrudgingly shuffing BACK.. finding Reno now, bewildered. Shooting a pistol mad eyed at the river. Everyone was fatigued, exhausted and scared. Benteennhad a shy willingness, to make a move towards Custer. He found refugee during the entire Campaign, with Reno... while he felt uncomfortable around Custer. He was in no rush to move, they were tired.They should be ashamed of themselves for not backing Custer, but at the same time.. they might of avoided the massacre altogether because of how fatigued they must of been.
The seventh cavalry has the best tune
'GARRYOWEN'
Custer and his wife Libby spent some time in Elizabethtown Kentucky after the Civil War
Oh yeah? Was he assigned there or were they just traveling?
Thank you for this. To bad, that no one can do a Battle of San Juan Hill podcast!
I’m sure someone will, someday.
on the rifle reliability issue. how would the extractor failure arguments fit in with combat stress, dirt, black powder, and slamming the cover in a hurry or to get the shell out. stomp on a m16 charging handle with a "really stuck" case will cause extractor failure.
I’d guess it all factored into it
I want to hear him talk The Alamo, I love Gettysburg, Little Bighorn and the Alamo
That might be a fun palette cleanser for Patreon
Saw a bumper sticker years ago with a pic of Sitting Bull “Custer had it coming…”. Great show, very interesting.
According to IMBD the low ratings of the Son of the Morning Star mini series led ABC to pull the plug on funding for The Killer Angels, subsequently picked up by Ted Turner and TNT
That’s funny you mention that. I was just reading an article about the movie in the Civil War Times. The issue was from the 90s. I learned that fact about ABC just a few days ago in that article. Funny how things work like that.
Very engaging discussion, t/y. The size of the LBH battlefied and its three separate / distinct, "Hills" Reno, Calhoun & LastStand - new information to a long-time but only vaguely aware of details reader - had always assumed just one "last stand" locale.
And to that end, never been to the Montana ground but living in similar type, "rollling hills" location, have stood among them and tried to gauge distances between Not easy - further than one mile seems rather difficult to distinguish; certainly smoke from gunfire & dust kicked up from horses' hooves would be noticeable of course. Just a civilian's observations mine however ...
Custer's Last Stand as you mention, does seem more "known" in Americana than Gettysburg - both utterly historic of course ... God bless our land and those who fought to give us it. And respect for the redman as well.
You’re right about distances out there. I stayed at a ranch in Wyoming. We could see what I later learned were the snowcapped Bighorn Mountains. I forget now what the distance they told us the mountains were from where we stood, but it was way more than I thought we’d be able to see.
My Father was inducted at Fort Custer, Michigan, when he was drafted after Pearl Harbor.
Rest in peace custer and the 7 th
Good evening men
Evening
Reno’s report is only his. Custer is not there to reply. The idea that Custer was going to follow Reno is nonsense, it’s illogical. It‘s virtually certain Custer at officers‘ call would have planned a pincer movement which was so successful st Washita. Btw correction, on the skirmish line hadn’t lost more than one possibly two troopers at most. In the timber it was made up as a sunken old oxbow river bank for cover as well as as the timber. Eyewitnesses day it was eminently defensible. There’s even an Indian testimony saying they couldn’t understand why they left the timber. All Reno‘s devastating losses occurred when he retreated out of the woods towards the river and became an Indian buffalo hunt.
Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse spanked the fuck out of Custer
They did indeed
Benteen was a classic narcissist who didn’t have a good word to say about anyone but himself, and was pathologically jealous of Custer.
Audio is choppy
In which part?
@@addressinggettysburg before 29 minutes . Maybe that was just the live feed
@@addressinggettysburg doesn’t sound bad on the relisten… good show
Why do you say “we” stole the black hills? Who is “we”? I hate that people collectively assume responsibility for things like this. We weren’t here. Evidently the Indians couldn’t defend it and it was taken cry me a river
Seriously? Out of two hours THAT’S what you hone in on?
It’s much easier to find something I disagree with or wasn’t entertained by in two hours than the opposite. It’s a very good podcast host and guest chill
Semantics but ... there is a difference between stolen & conquered. There is indeed a, "terrible glory" so to speak about nature's survival of the fittest - the lion on the African veldt and man on the western plain. Sadness endured for the dispossessed not saying otherwise.
@@Drewpeanuts1 Indeed, the Black Hills ‘belonged’ to the Crow nation before they were pushed out by the ‘Sioux’ which is why so many Crow and other native Americans were enrolled and accompanied 7th Cav, as scouts, about 7+ percent.
@ it did and they lost it boo hoo
This is good. Some details about the battle were not discussed but, overall, this is a damn good discussion about the Little Bighorn. There are a few errors - for example, there were very few Arapaho Indians at the Little Bighorn; in fact, if I remember aright, I don't believe there were more than six Arapaho warriors in the battle - hardly a whole tribe.
Are you referring to the “Arapaho Five”?
@@addressinggettysburg Yes, though I never heard these five warriors referred to as such. But there were only half-a-dozen or so Arapahos in the Little Bighorn village on June 25, 1876.
My facts might be slightly askew, but I believe these 5 Arapahos were actually detained in the village. The Sioux and Cheyenne thought they might've been scouts for the Bluecoats. When the Seventh Cavalry attacked their camp, the Sioux practically forced these five warriors to fight - perhaps to prove they were not actually scouts for the U.S. Army?
In any event, the five Arapahos did fight in the battle, albeit reluctantly. A couple - maybe more - were killed, and I think one of them - in the chaotic frenzy of battle - accidentally killed a Sioux warrior, or he was killed by a Sioux warrior.
Unfortunately, I cannot remember the source of this information. Were it not so, I'd better be able to provide you with more intrinsic details. Be that as it may, one thing is for certain: the Arapahos, as a tribe, were not present at the Little Bighorn; it was just a few Arapaho warriors, and they were not there voluntarily.