30:00 I would recommend ALWAYS to get laminated waterproof textile instead of the gear with the liners! I was traveling with my friend and my Gore-Tex jacket lost its DWR throughout the day. The Z liner was keeping my body dry, but the whole jacket was completely soaked and at 130km/h it got seriously cold. My friend had Gore-tex Pro with laminated water proofing. For him it was perfect. When we arrived at a hotel, my jacket kept dripping on the floor the whole night and the jacket was still wet the next day! My friend could just shake his jacket and all water droplets just fell of. 10 min later his jacket was completely dry.
@@HelloWorld-ew9vl when you're riding predominantly in hot climates as you can't remove the membrane, which will have an impact on your body's ability to shed heat
Makes sense although if most of the water came off with a shake his DWR was probably just working better than yours. However with laminated gear once saturated it’s still just the external that gets wet, with liners the whole outer jacket will get completely saturated.
Great video ❤ today I just bought the Rukka Nivala 2.0 jacket and trousers, very expensive yes, but will keep me warm, dry and safe in all weathers, and built to last. Also extremely comfortable and looks great to boot! 😊
that's true, but people pay for the perceived safety and quality of branded gear, I bought my Alpinestars jacket because I knew the materials would be top-notch and durable. That said, these videos are so helpful because they allow us all to look at items that are just as high quality, just as durable, but for a fraction of the price. :)
🤯. What I gleaned from all that information is, use a motorcycle specific base layer, laminate jacket and trousers with level 2 armour throughout, and use electric heated garments for winter, not forgetting to try everything on first to make sure it fits. Or, use what I already have, including my waterproofs over the top when it rains. 😉 Excellent information, as usual. 👍👍👍
I mostly own Dainese gear, because it fits me well, because i can find it at a decent price (i'm italian). Even though i own one of those fully transformable 4 season jackets with different layers and basically bulletproof against water/wind/etc, i only ever use it in its winter configuration. I have a dedicated jacket for autumn and one for summer. Especially for summer, here you can't ride with anything other than d-air gear (or whatever they call it), in 30+ degree temperatures. I have a couple of leather jackets, but i don't use them often: too hot in summer, and always a chance of getting wet in the colder season.
I was given a great bit of advice by my cousin who, was a London dispatch rider. He said, BUY THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD! He wasn’t wrong. Ride safe. Ride lucky an ride well boys an girls👍👍👍👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏍️🏍️🏍️🏍️
I think weather you go for a drop down or laminated liner really depends what sort of riding you do, how often, the weather conditions and whether you can afford two sets of gear for the different conditions. Definitely I have been out in some horrid weather in the past in my RST Ventilator III jacket and Paragon jeans and been completely wetted out, and that has been in late spring. However I have also been out if some quite heavy rain and had no issues with a drop liner and it does provide the flexibility from warmer and drier conditions to wetter and colder ones. The issue I found was in sizing that the Ventilator came up very small whereas the Paragon Jeans come up extremely large. Thinking of replacing these with at least AA gear I discussed this with RST some months back and not only can they not say that the sizing between different models will be similar but cannot say even that the sizing between jacket and jeans (trousers) within the same model will be the same. It looks like this is still where you have to try both out before purchase to ensure that they fit. (Hopefully RSTs latest gear sizing is closer than a few years ago.) I think that this will probably be similar for several manufacturers especially if they have the garments made in places like India, and if the jackets and trousers are made at different locations this will possibly add to the issue. I don't know about outside of the UK, but within a UK it was quite common for the actual manufacturer to offload some of their manufacturing of entire garments, considering top and bottoms being separate garments, to sub contractors. The original garment manufacturer wants to make a profit over the sub contractor, who in turn may have a sub contractor so there is the possibility with every level of subcontracting the control and preciseness deteriorates.
Brilliant video on textiles. I work for J&S Accessories and I pick textile clothing everyday at work. I personally wear a Alpinestar tsps jacket myself as it fits within my budget
Excellent video, appreciate your effort. One exception, please don't accept claims of durability from riders who've only been using gear for a couple of months! PS obviously I've subscribed!
Absolutely outstanding and comprehensive review! Currently using a Richa Infinity 2 Pro jacket, a Richa Scrambler 2 jacket and a Bull-It jean; very happy with all of them.
Great video, looking forward to your airbag reviews. I had looked for an airbag vest recently, my criteria have been: - electronic vest (didnt want to attach myself to the bike) - no hidden costs like subscription fees - no expensive or time consuming replacement of co2 cardridge (do it myself on the go) - wearable over the jacket (inside makes only sense if its directly integrated due to inflation space required) With these criteria, only Helite eturtle was left. They even offered online advice for sizing (free video call).👍😀
@@bennettsbikesocial I would say: so far, so good! Didnt have an inflation yet (and didnt need to), sizing and recharging is good (although would have wished for USB C).
Great video John, as usual. Top stuff. Can I just add something about venting: vents are great but to work effectively you need intake and corresponding exhaust venting. Venting into a waterproof liner is pointless and vents with overflaps severely restricts their effectiveness. Features like this are normally sorted on the high end jackets and trousers.
What matters is triple-A rating and CE Level 2 protectors including chest protection. After that I look for style (no huge brand names or pockets as if I was fishing). Next whatever I need - particularly good ventillation, waterproofing, leather, airbag-compatibility etc.
Thanks for a great video. I’ve worn Klim in 30 degree heat and down near freezing. Close to perfect. My gf has Klim laminated jkt paired with Halvarsons drop liner trousers for more lower half comfort/flexibility. All has been battle tested in severe, hours long rain with no issues.
Your vlog on crash protection was enlightening. Waterproof leathers have come a long way and offer comfort, weather and crash protection that rivals my textile kit.
For those just starting out or on a limited budget- the internet is full of lightly used gear or even new from those who either no longer ride or lost weight / put it on. You can get double aa rated jeans, double aa jacket with ce2 rated armour, sharp 5 star helmet, ce 2 level gloves and boots if you look brand new for £350 all in, even less if you go used or ex display.
I bought the ALPINESTARS GP PLUS R V3 RIDEKNIT leather jacket. I bought it for the summer days since the jacket has many parts that are knitted rather than leather. So far it's pretty spectacular overall, a major issue would arise wearing it during winter, but during the warmer months it's fantastic for what it is, and holds up to the average amount of rain (in England) for up to an hour with no problem. I haven't come off of it, but its AA rated, and the materials are pretty sturdy. Comes at a cost though, RRP at around £450 depending on where you buy it... I'd recommend it, for warmer days even with a chance of rain.
The other advantage of laminated gear is they keep the wind out. So on a cold day they are a really good barrier to keep you warmer, but you do need to wear a good windproof layer beneath, should there be any drafts. Great survey with a lot of results. And having had Klim gear the past year i concur with the results for them as a brand. I'm highly impressed with it and glad i spent the money on it.
I now wear a mesh jacket all year long. When it gets cold I put in the waterproof liner. I do not use the liner for rain as it is cold with a wet liner near the skin. I have a thin waterproof jacket I wear over the mesh for rain and for near freezing cold. The waterproof liner over the mesh provides an insulated air barrier against the cold. I am still looking for great mesh pants.
Cheers for yet another great video. I got back into biking recently after a way too long layoff. The only bit of kit I'm still using from then is my Frank Thomas textile jacket. It seems to be fine and has kept me dry in the pouring rain. With regards to the gloves inside/outside of sleeves, I put mine outside. When it's raining the water goes up your glove and over the top of your sleeve, if it was inside the sleeve it would go in and wet your arm.
I have a Oxford Mondial laminated suit which is absolutely amazing, been out in some seriously crap weather, snow hail and absolute downpours and had no issues what so ever, even without the thermal liners, however with the rain running down the outside on a sportbike I did start to get pretty cold., Not at all if I have the thermal liner in, been out in winter with just a t-shirt and the thermal liner in and was fine in almost freezing temperatures
The Mondial is a great bit of kit, though it doesn't have the direct ventilation of the Hinterland. You can read the full review here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/oxford-mondial-laminate-jacket-trousers-review
I would agree, the Mondial is fantastic, especially for the price. Upgrading the armour to level 2 massively improved the comfortability factor for me.
I'm fairly oldschool in my gear these days, an old Richa leather jacket has treated me well for around 10 years with a bit of treatment whenever I can be arsed. it's flawed but it's outlived any textile clothing that I've ever had and has been down the road. Trousers are RST Paragons, they've been amazing and were waterproof in even the worst weather but the waterproof lining has given up now so I usually end up jumping in the waterproof boil-in-the-bag if it's particularly bad. For me you can't beat the durability and longevity of leather with a bit of feeding. Textiles tend to get a bit tatty over time and lengthy commuting all year round even if they keep you dry they get saturated and heavy in time and start to stink when they get old so the waterproof oversuit comes out anyway. I'm starting to think sod it I'll stick to leather if I'm going to end up in the bag when the weather is rough.
I "arsed" with my gear lately and do not have planes to sell my 10 years "young" Halvarssons leathers. I have bought newest Halvarssons protectors all around with D30 Viper back insert and now I must fix main zip on the jacket... Halvarssons provide waterproof membranes but those parts are in my closet and I prefer dedicated Scott waterproofs OVER my leather AND textile kit. I have tedency to give away and sell dropliner gear. Every gear wet out soon or later and therefore I almost always have with me Scott waterproof jacket and trousers. But again riding MT-09 on the curvy roads of West Norway is almost extreme hobby 😅 My priorities are following: 1. Laminate gear (not necessarily Gore!); 2. Kit with possibility for membrane part to have OVER, under or off the gear, and 3. Nice pair of leathers or mesh jacket and jeans without membranes at all. I have noticed that when winter coming many expensive motorcycle apparel is to cold, specially gloves and (laminated) trousers. And neck solutions on motorcycle jackets are usually bad (helmet hood anyone?). Gear maintenance is important and textiles are washable, huge pluss over leathers in everyday use 🙂
I met John at Rownams services recently and he's hands down one of the nicest blokes and certainly knows his stuff. Sounds like I'm reviewing or giving him feedback on ebay 😃
Been riding for 51 years , all year riding , all weathers . I’d only get laminated kit nowadays, dry quickly and are a lot lighter . Great vlog , who was the old bloke doing dad dancing? 😂😂
I wouldn’t put a camera no matter how small in a back pocket, if you come off, which is the whole point of such protective clothing, landing on your back could easily be made worse as essentially it would be like landing on a rock in the low back drastically increasing your chance of spinal fracture. Always wear protective clothing like you will need it on that ride.
Getting off the ferry in plymouth a couple of weeks ago into driving rain. Welcome back to blightly! No prob's thought i, Dane gore tex pro jacket and new Held trousers. Over the next five hours of non stop rain my cotton neck tube wicked the water under my jacket into the base layer and down to my shreddies. I was cold wet and bloody miserable when i got home.
Great review John, I have a few textile suits the first was the BMW coverall that’s worn over normal clothes. It has armour and isn’t a waterproof over-suit but a proper protective suit. I’ve had it several years and it has always been 100% waterproof and generally comfortable to wear. The only problem with this suit comes in hot weather as there aren’t any vents so not so great. I bought an Oxford suit thunk it was the Mondial laminate suit but I ride in all weathers lots of miles on a blood bike so was disappointed when I was about 100 miles from home in heavy rain and I was soaked. I have replaced this with a Dane suit and ridden for the last year. It had a good fit has proved to be completely waterproof and has enough vents for summer. For extra protection I also wear a Helite air vest.
Cheapskate here: I'm still using a Frank Thomas textile jacket I got for £50 19 years ago. It stays dry for about an hour and with multiple warm layers underneath I rode for about 7 hours with temperatures just above zero this winter. I gave up on the matching trousers from the beginning because of poor fitting at the ankle.
I've spent a lot of time looking at jackets as I really want the best option for my needs... however, one thing I have noticed regarding reviews etc is that the demographic of the owner is hardly ever considered. For example I heard rave reviews about Rukka so I order a number of jackets from SBS due to free returns. I ordered multiple models and 2 sizes of each. Every single one was awful when it came to fit. Sleeves were too short and the main body was definitely designed for someone carrying far more weight than I do. I sent them all back and paid more attention when out and about and realised that the majority of Rukka owners are middle aged or retired men with significant beer bellies... (usually riding BMW GS's) which isn't surprising considering that you need significant, disposable income to pay upwards of £700 on a jacket. Trying to get a good jacket that fits is one of the hardest things I've had to do since I got my license 6 years ago.
I have to say I’ve never been a fan of the outer jacket for my main protection. I have a Knox Urbane Pro which is AA and has Level 2 armours. Belt loops keep it secured and I just layer up with other gear I already have. GoreTex Packlite for the rain, woolly army jumper for the cold, puffy decathlon jacket for the proper cold. Maybe I’m a cheap bastard but I like using the kit I’ve already bought and paid for. I want the armour and abrasion resistance but apart from that - if it’s good enough for winter paragliding it’s good enough. Tbh it’s so easy to overspend.
Every bit of RST kit I've bought have leaked from new. I find RST kit to be a complete disappointment and waste of money if rain is a concern. I've bought from their budged end to their expensive end and where waterproofing is concerned it been money wasted, I'll never buy it again. And before anyone says "no motorcycle kit is truly waterproof" I've hadn't had an issue with any of my Risha, wiese or alpinestars kit. Great video by the way 👍
You are lucky.Ihave new Honda Transalp 750 XL 2024,white with golden rims.I had a plan to go around but engine is making vibrations on the handle and even on fuel tank.My fingers gat numb and my bools and wily are numb after short ride.What am I going to buy a suit for?
Got a Dainese laminate jacket and Dane laminate trousers.100% dry in many hours of deluge. Very well cut for comfort and useful details for adjustability. For comparison I recently got given a Richa Infinity 2 Pro which suffers from many of the design faults mentioned in the video, although it is waterproof. Check Fit while on a bike, pocket configuration, wrist adjustment method and neck fastenings.
I have been riding bikes for almost 40 years, my Goretex Pro Rukka ArmaS jacket and trousers are the most waterproof and expensive kit I have ever used. The Rukka kit feels like a fitted suit. I do not see the point in having a waterproof layer under the outer jacket, why would you want to wear a soaking wet heavy outer jacket.
Great video as always John, consistently fantastic content. I ride in an Oxford hinterland suit for the last year. I've ridden in 0 degree and up to mid 20s on my hour commute wearing just cotton trousers and shirt underneath. It's my first laminate kit and I'll never go back. Perfectly dry in horrible weather, liner keeps me warm, open the zips in summer and the breeze flows through. It's been comfortable in all weather but it's not perfect. I'd like to see an improvement in the collar. Although the material is soft it needs a slight redesign as my work shirt can pop out over the top sometimes.
Thank you for the video, very informative. I am not familiar with many of these brands. I am in South Alabama, where the heat and humidity is ridiculously high. I could probably ride in a pair of silk boxers and still be covered in sweat for 4 months of the year. Most importantly for me would be ventilation and rain protection, which seems to be an impossible combination.
About the gloves tucked inside the jacket. This works great for most, except if you have tall handelbars. With Most bikes your arms positioned with your hands lower than your elbows. Cruiser and some advs with high bars where your hand is higher than your elbow while riding. I find it creates a wind/water tunnel down your jacket arms. I found gloves outside works best for higher bars. Right until you step off the bike and gravity wicks all the water down you arm and into the inside of your glove.
Definitely it's about finding what works best for you. And just walk around with your amrs up waving all the time... hey presto, no water dribble! Cheers, John
I've ridden motorcycles since 1973 and always had my jacket inside the gloves. I've never ever had rain running down my arms into my gloves. High bars, medium bars and clip on bars. I don't stand in the rain. I ride and the rain follows the wind. A problem with most kit today is that jacket sleeves are wider and gloves narrower to accommodate gloves inside the jacket. That makes it more difficult properly tucking our jackets inside the gloves. I miss my old kit from 1978. I gave it away.
All i can say is i have not a very good experience with Hein Gericke brand. I`m a Dutchman living for many years in the hot and humid climate of Malaysia. When my wife had to go to Munich Germany for a business trip i followed her and while there i went to the Hein Gericke shop and bought a jacked. I only wore it a couple of times not more than 10. But now 2 of the zips that seam to be glued in let go completely. I think it has to do with the climate here because i also face many times problems with sport shoes where the sole let go while they still almost like new. Any way only my 2 cents. take care ride safe
Awesome video John!! Great information to day to day riders but also for new riders or anyone wiling to come back to riding after "life" got in the way for a few years, like me. Keep it up doing theses reviews, you're doing great and they're really valuable! 👍👍 PS. Any chance you can do a review of Summer gloves? Thank you.
Thanks so much! I did do one about gloves recently. Also, check out all the glove reviews at bikesocial.co.uk. Cheers, John ruclips.net/video/d5kXk-WRAyQ/видео.html
I use RST jeans, leather jacket find them comfortable only ever been in light rain also have RST long jacket and bottoms the same can zip them together very happy overall for the price ,RST short leg boots all great value all products have back elbow shoulder and knee protection 👍 Last 2 helmets been a HJC lovely comfortable helmet however the clip at the front that locks the visor down is very poor in my view, less than 6 months old clip broke at first company didn't think it was a genuine fault eventually replaced it again same thing happened I bought a replacement myself that went the same way in under a year old so don't use the HJC at all ,I replaced it with a shark it cost £ 190 it's been great till 2 days ago over 3 years old and it's just broken on the visor on the holding point on the side of the helmet but been very pleased, so need to get a new visor, Great video,
Went with Rukka 5 years ago. Their zips always break (my jacket being sent back 5 times) and their customer service is atrocious. When I bought it I was told if the jacket went wrong I’d be given another till it was repaired, not once did I receive a loaner. Not sure which I will go with for autumn but Rukka aren’t looking like the favourite.
Agree with Rukka CS being poor. I recently bought my second pair of Rukka Apollo gloves. I was shocked to see the label saying they were 79% polyester. It was obviously a misprint, but I wanted to Rukka to confirm it. It took 3 emails and over a month before they even bothered to respond. And then just said, "oh yeah it's a bad print on the label". that was it.
I appreciate it might be difficult to comment on in the UK but as an Aussie I'd love to know what (if any) *full* mesh jackets are safe and trustworthy. Maximum irflow with some level of safety are literally the only things that matter some days, I've never ridden in a t-shirt but the temptation is very real.
Knox Urbane Pro is AA with level 2 armour in the mk3. I have one and just put on regular layers on top. Works great for me when combined with a pair of single-layer AAA jeans.
Bought some Rukka Apollo gloves for £200 In the space of 9 months the liner has pulled straight out 3 times, had it replaced under warranty those 3 times. Not particularly roughh with my gloves, these are the only ones that has ever happened to me. My Lindstrand, revit and richa gloves did not do this for me ever. Also, not 100% waterproof, running the tap over them in the sink or submerging in water, they do leak in the finger tips, but I don't know if I'm being unreasonable with that test seeing as thats not a realistic waterproof test. They have been waterproof in the the times I have been caught in rain and my fingertips are underneath the handlebars I guess scratchchin I am thinking of buying some Rukka gear off ebay, £160 for a gore-tex textile jacket that has been barely used. am I just unlucky with my experience with Rukka or is this a general trend recently? All their stuff is made in China now.
Sorry to hear that! It's very hard to say really - I've not used any Rukka gloves, so have no experience of them. We do have a video with user experiences of gloves too here: ruclips.net/video/d5kXk-WRAyQ/видео.html
I'm so sad that I only just found this video after buying my gear online without ever seeing it. I wish I could join your community but in from Australia.
A noble effort. I think the scoring overall is a bit difficult to appraise because people won't have necessarily owned multiple suits of the same construction etc to compare. My Halvarssons laminated suit is worlds ahead of my previous Oxford and Spada kit but they were cheapo drop liner affairs. When I win it big and get a Rukka or Klim suit maybe I'll be able to compare! The stuff that just doesn't get the job done stands out at least.
i ride in a tremendous laminated textile suit and you don't even mention it: Stadler (super vent 3). How come?? I upgraded from the Revit Neptune, also very good. I ride almost 30 k kms a year , year round commute, Brussels region on my XR, so good gear is very important.
Hi Peter... Sadly Stadler just didn't come up from our 1,898 survey respondents, and I (and the rest of the Test Team) have no experience of the brand. However, hopefully the video helps with what to look for in any jacket / trousers, so anybody coming across it should be able to decide if it's right for them; given how hard you use it, it certainly sounds good kit! And good choice of bike, by the way; I have a first gen XR. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I use a Triumph Waldron mesh jacket, it’s brilliant in summer but should it rain!! So I’ve bought a Rev’it cyclone 3 for my backpack. I don’t think it’d be worth you doing over jackets and pants. Great informative vid as always 👍🏻
An important thing to inform about is if jacket from brand X can be zipped together with trousers from brand Y. I have rukka, but the jacket is now too small, but the trousers is still perfect
Great, objective, and informative video, as always. Thank you for educating us. Curious, though as to why no offerings from Knox? Aren't they one of the most safety-conscious brands?
Cheers! Sadly Knox didn't make it into the survey as not enough people who responded owned it - there's a list of every brand that we couldn't include in there. Having only used some of the brands gloves, and with nobody in our team having had the opportunity to use any of it either, we couldn't use any as examples. Still, hopefully the video will help you decide if it's right for you. All the best, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Thank you for clarifying, John, as well as pinning the links to the various breakdowns (super helpful and illustrative). I asked the question because, as an American, I've always turned to the European markets for my gear because I genuinely believe you all are far more serious about your safety standards, as well as more transparent in delineating amongst the certifications. Let's just say there's not much "truth in advertising" here haha. I only wear AAA certified gear, including Knox, Merlin, Stylmartin, and John Doe. I do have a two-year-old Klim "Induction" jacket, but have no clue what its safety rating is. It's the only American kit I own, yet hardly wear. Interesting that an American company fared so well amongst the other competitors. Thank you again; I greatly enjoy your channel...you're all an invaluable resource.
Dane gear is way underrated. I had my sealand pro its priced competitively with best material available in the market. I dont have much joy with Rev It the stitch failed in shownroom before I buy...
I'd urge anyone who wants high end textiles to get along to Hideout in Saffron Walden. Surely the best available anywhere in the world. AAA rated. M2M and customised if required. Can always be repaired or altered. Made to last for many years.
@@bennettsbikesocial yeah that's what I meant, apologies to Kate! You find lots of police and other pro riders in the shop. I was being paid a mileage rate for bike, working in NHS and commuting different hospitals, we decided that mandates proper PPE. Something for folk to bear in mind and the £2k was deductible.
Unfortunatly notting about the visibility in traffic or bad weather-conditions. Most of the shown suits are dark greyish. If you like to be noticed, and like me you don’t like the pull over yellow or orange vests, you are stuck to an limited stock. I kept an older and warmer suit for the colder seasons, and a nice ventilated suit (Louis) for summer. 👍🏼 Nice channel i got to say, greetings from the Netherlands.
Best jacket I ever owned was a KTM Adventure. Got a good fifteen years out of it. For the most part I don't want to feel encumbered by my kit and too much of the gear out there does exactly that.
Great video. I have a question about short(mesh) jackets. Like dainese laguna seca 3, or rev it traffic h20. Are they good for naked bikes? Because they seem too short in the waist area, and cold goes in from there.
Can you do a video on riding hoodies i have just started riding and comuting i am only 16 and find that comuting in a jumper to be by far the most comfortable.
Merlin gear has let me down. I have two jackets the same, one for home one for work. Both exhibiting the same failures. Merlin warranty repair was shockingly bad and a Twitter search will find my video showing their idea of a repair. They literally sowed the pocket shut and we’re rude over the phone when I called to explain my issue with the returned jacket. Loved the modeling in this video! Brilliant!
@@bennettsbikesocial Yoxall wax jackets. Merlin kicked me off as a follower after I showed the video of the warranty repair. I’ll never buy this brand again and I can only hope the build quality and repairs are now up to scratch. With all the industry chasing non CE certified traders at motorcycle events. It’s worth the industry taking a closer look at the bigger brands. I can go to two local dealers and point out imperfections in jackets on sale yo us bikers. And I know you could too. Im not here to bash Merlin. It’s just our combined experiences all help guide each other on what’s been good and not so good. Still, im chuckling over the modelling
Interesting to hear of your experience with Merlín. I have been looking into getting one of their wax cotton models & basically haven’t got one yet cos I struggled to find any in stores to try on etc. Your experience is seriously making me doubt making the purchase now. Thanks for the info.
@@martinowl For every one of me, there will be others that will say their experience was good. So if you find a jacket, do give it a good look over and ask the retailer about how warranty claims take place. It’s a budget brand and I won’t be giving them my hard earned money ever again. Both jackets having the same failures says defective manufacturing. But the repair was shockingly bad. I have two jackets I don’t feel safe to wear. Given all the chasing after non CE sellers at motorcycle events. I think the industry should look at itself. And we’re out the sellers of sun standard gear
I brought a Knox unban pro 2 and came off while out dirt bike riding in the bush ( from Australia) anyway broke my wrist and injured my right shoulder, it was a slow speed off , in my 40 years road and off road riding experience Level 2 armour SHOULD be in ALL shoulders ( as this is one ☝️ of the most injured areas on a crash 💥) so I have upgraded my shoulders to level 2. Actually BEST vented jacket is the knox urban pro 2. So your telling no one ☝️ voted for any KNOX gear .
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 Knox is popular in gloves (and did well in the gloves survey), but not so much in other riding gear. RST was the most popular here, but that's more likely down to price and availability in stores, not because it's also a UK brand. Oxford is probably the most commonly available as it's in almost every bike shop; that's a UK brand too.
@@bennettsbikesocial Oxford heated grips are big in Australia, as the ADV / dual sport riding here is MASSIVE, some of those brands are popular to like RST , Klim , motodry - crap 💩 ( used to be fantastic 10 years ago ) Rjays , and others .
A couple of questions please John. I've ridden in the Oxford Mondial for about 3 years, many times in heavy rain. Is the Oxford Hinterland significantly better, and if so, in what way? Second question, I like to ride in riding jeans all year round, in the winter I use rikka base garments. Have you ever found any over trousers that are actually completely waterproof? Because in torrential downpours, over several hours, when touring, I always end up with a slightly (sometimes more than slightly!) damp crotch and seat.. (mine, not the bike's). Tia. 👍
I'd say the main advantage of the of the Hinterland is that it has excellent venting. With the overtrousers, it could be the moisture building up inside that can't escape, causing you to soak from the inside perhaps? In Wales over two days in the Hinterland kit alone I didn't get wet anywhere. Cheers, John
Thank you for doing this roundup and while this review is a good idea in theory, brands are using multiple types of waterproofing, thermal, and outer materials within there lineup's including how they are bonded. Its difficult to rely on the information presented due to this. No idea how you would get around this without going into even more detail, maybe a test on the individual materials inc seam strength, waterproof pressure test, and an oxford abrasion test to go along with the general consensus? Anyway, thanks for putting in the time to pull all of this info together.
It doesn't matter how much the kit costs (£2K), if the importers habitually refuse warranty claims. Apparently a jacket within the 6 year warranty period is "old" and accordingly not covered.
Thinking about fit, is there any of these brands that cater for the more athletic frame, I'm an ex rugby player with 2nd row legs and shoulders and struggling to find a brand that fits.
Can anyone recommend some laminate trousers that don't feel 5 sizes too big, loads of the textile gear is easy to get a nice fitting jacket but anything over 32 waist in the trousers and the legs are huge and baggy
Okay, i have a question. Im looking at buying the Rukka Rimo - R GorTex Jacket, its safety rating is B. However, you can add the level 2 armour to the back, shoulders, elbow and chest area. Is it still something to go for or stay away from the initial B Rating before adding Level 2 armour? Chhers
Very good question, but I'm afraid that without any certification of the abrasion resistance, it's impossible to say with any confidence. Protection isn't the be-all-and-end-all, but if it's part of your buying decision, then the only way to assess protective performance is through certification results. Sorry I can't help more! Cheers, John
Great review - thank you! After a low-speed crash on gravel that left me with a spleen laceration, I've been looking for brands that offer some decent flank protection. In my case, as I hit the ground, my elbow (itself well protected with D30) unfortunately pushed hard into my flank causing my internal injuries. Have you come across any kit that offers decent flank protection?
2:55 no offence to your survey guys but rounding the %'ges to whole digits here is silly. You didn't get exactly the same number of responses for all the 1% brands for example. The right way to present this data is to show the number of responses returned for each bit of kit, with a percentage next to it - probably to 1d.p.
I biught the #rukka ARMA-T kit in 2016 for daily commuting and it's been exceptional at keeping my dry through the winter. The challenges have been keeping we warm when the weather gets proper cold - so I have a mid- and down-layers from #adventurespec and #klim - and then cool in the summers as the vents are useless. One other issue I Has was the take on the wrist zips; they're corroded to the point they fell off a don't take a replacement, so it's been frustrating and hard on the closed fingers now pulling the zipper closed. For me, if I had the money for a new suit, I wouldn't;t be going back to Rukka and have my eyes on the Klim range...
My Halverssons Walkyr jacket has been great, but after 2.5 years the top 5" of the main zip came away from the coat. Not great for a quality jacket with a 2 yr warranty. Can it be repaired?
That's a shame! I'd speak to Halvarssons first as they might be able to help, and at least will have a repairer they could recommend. I don't see why it can't be repaired. Also try Lincs repair - Al specialises in leather, but might be able to do this. www.lincsrepair.co.uk/ Cheers, John
Currently have a Rukka Kallavesi suit (having owned various Rukka and Rev’it suits over the years), very disappointed with the quality now. Stitching on jacket inner sleeve cuff ripped out, when I withdrew my hand through the cuff (jacket was only a month old and worn a few times). Had to be returned to UK importer for repair. Now the stitching on Kallevesi trouser are starting to unthread in various places, again they have had to be returned, but this time they have had to go back to Rukka in Sweden, with a 8 to 10 week turnaround! No offer of lone trousers, so I have to go 2 and half months without kit. So can’t recommend Rukka anymore, their quality seems to have taken a huge drop, at the customers expense, NOT at all impressed. 🧐 Edit: I need to also add that this suit is only about 14 months old and only worn the equivalent of twice a month (when we weren’t in lockdown), so not heavily worn everyday, and not done thousands of miles!
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks for your reply, I hope so too, appreciate your video. Still very disappointed with the quality, and then the amount of time I will have to be without my 2K + suit.
Sadly it was among the brands that didn't get anywhere near enough feedback from our survey respondents. Plus I, and everyone else in the team, have no experience of it. Hopefully the video will help people choose if it's the right gear for them. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial hi john yea unfortunately its a brand that not many people have discovered yet , motolegends on youtube have got a couple of great vids on them and its what the German and Irish police use but just my opinion i feel they are the best kit on the market by far but hopefully more folk will learn about them , but if you get some spare time worth popping over to motolegends youtube and having a little look at the tresure pro jacket and the all4 pants to see what you think , but great vid as always mate and always very helpfull , thanks again
@@alpinab14 I got you!II have the Rukka Realer(Nivala)and the 4all pro trousers!Best kit ever owned.Drove 900 km from France to Belgium in horrendous rain,not one drop came trough and it was between 6_9 degrees, didn't feel cold at all with Rukka's base and midlayers.Stadler/Rukka and Klim,you don't need anything else
@@stocks7765 totally agree mate , wish more people knew about stadlar , they really are the best clothing available , really glad i went for laminate gore tex , got cought in very heavy rain over the weekend and after hanging everything up to dry the laminated gore tex pants were bone dry on the outside within an hour but the old non laminated gore tex jacket i have was still very damp the next morning , worth the extra cost imo
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Not working for me.
30:00 I would recommend ALWAYS to get laminated waterproof textile instead of the gear with the liners!
I was traveling with my friend and my Gore-Tex jacket lost its DWR throughout the day. The Z liner was keeping my body dry, but the whole jacket was completely soaked and at 130km/h it got seriously cold. My friend had Gore-tex Pro with laminated water proofing. For him it was perfect. When we arrived at a hotel, my jacket kept dripping on the floor the whole night and the jacket was still wet the next day! My friend could just shake his jacket and all water droplets just fell of. 10 min later his jacket was completely dry.
Totally agree! There are times when laminated isn't the best bet, but... cheers, John
Once you go laminate you don’t go back. I think that’s how it goes…
@@bennettsbikesocial and when are those times when laminated isn’t the best?
@@HelloWorld-ew9vl when you're riding predominantly in hot climates as you can't remove the membrane, which will have an impact on your body's ability to shed heat
Makes sense although if most of the water came off with a shake his DWR was probably just working better than yours. However with laminated gear once saturated it’s still just the external that gets wet, with liners the whole outer jacket will get completely saturated.
Great video ❤ today I just bought the Rukka Nivala 2.0 jacket and trousers, very expensive yes, but will keep me warm, dry and safe in all weathers, and built to last. Also extremely comfortable and looks great to boot! 😊
I imagine very few people who have spunked over 2k on kit is going to admit it's as good as kit that cost a quarter as much.
that's true, but people pay for the perceived safety and quality of branded gear, I bought my Alpinestars jacket because I knew the materials would be top-notch and durable. That said, these videos are so helpful because they allow us all to look at items that are just as high quality, just as durable, but for a fraction of the price. :)
@@alexlloyd6112 I am totally with this
Particularly when they discover it was made in Vietnam...
My Akito Typhoon jacket and trousers do the job just fine..although the weather protection on my 2008 FJR is excellent too
I think the majority of the cost is labour
🤯. What I gleaned from all that information is, use a motorcycle specific base layer, laminate jacket and trousers with level 2 armour throughout, and use electric heated garments for winter, not forgetting to try everything on first to make sure it fits. Or, use what I already have, including my waterproofs over the top when it rains. 😉
Excellent information, as usual. 👍👍👍
Great video as usual John - however, the modelling was hilarious.
Thanks so much! All the very best, John
I mostly own Dainese gear, because it fits me well, because i can find it at a decent price (i'm italian). Even though i own one of those fully transformable 4 season jackets with different layers and basically bulletproof against water/wind/etc, i only ever use it in its winter configuration. I have a dedicated jacket for autumn and one for summer. Especially for summer, here you can't ride with anything other than d-air gear (or whatever they call it), in 30+ degree temperatures. I have a couple of leather jackets, but i don't use them often: too hot in summer, and always a chance of getting wet in the colder season.
Went with rukka cos it’s consistently up with the best cold/wet weather gear
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I think weather you go for a drop down or laminated liner really depends what sort of riding you do, how often, the weather conditions and whether you can afford two sets of gear for the different conditions. Definitely I have been out in some horrid weather in the past in my RST Ventilator III jacket and Paragon jeans and been completely wetted out, and that has been in late spring. However I have also been out if some quite heavy rain and had no issues with a drop liner and it does provide the flexibility from warmer and drier conditions to wetter and colder ones.
The issue I found was in sizing that the Ventilator came up very small whereas the Paragon Jeans come up extremely large. Thinking of replacing these with at least AA gear I discussed this with RST some months back and not only can they not say that the sizing between different models will be similar but cannot say even that the sizing between jacket and jeans (trousers) within the same model will be the same. It looks like this is still where you have to try both out before purchase to ensure that they fit. (Hopefully RSTs latest gear sizing is closer than a few years ago.) I think that this will probably be similar for several manufacturers especially if they have the garments made in places like India, and if the jackets and trousers are made at different locations this will possibly add to the issue. I don't know about outside of the UK, but within a UK it was quite common for the actual manufacturer to offload some of their manufacturing of entire garments, considering top and bottoms being separate garments, to sub contractors. The original garment manufacturer wants to make a profit over the sub contractor, who in turn may have a sub contractor so there is the possibility with every level of subcontracting the control and preciseness deteriorates.
Brilliant video on textiles. I work for J&S Accessories and I pick textile clothing everyday at work. I personally wear a Alpinestar tsps jacket myself as it fits within my budget
Excellent video, appreciate your effort. One exception, please don't accept claims of durability from riders who've only been using gear for a couple of months! PS obviously I've subscribed!
Absolutely outstanding and comprehensive review! Currently using a Richa Infinity 2 Pro jacket, a Richa Scrambler 2 jacket and a Bull-It jean; very happy with all of them.
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I commented earlier before watching the video. I'm just blown away by the generous amount of information, just amazing. Thank you very much 🏆
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
Amazing video. Such killer information. The modelling shots, however, took the cake 😂
The best overall review on motorcycle clothing I ever saw. Thank you.
Thanks so much! All the best, John
Great video, looking forward to your airbag reviews.
I had looked for an airbag vest recently, my criteria have been:
- electronic vest (didnt want to attach myself to the bike)
- no hidden costs like subscription fees
- no expensive or time consuming replacement of co2 cardridge (do it myself on the go)
- wearable over the jacket (inside makes only sense if its directly integrated due to inflation space required)
With these criteria, only Helite eturtle was left. They even offered online advice for sizing (free video call).👍😀
Excellent! Let me know how you get on - it's definitely a really interesting looking bit of kit with some great science behind it. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I would say: so far, so good! Didnt have an inflation yet (and didnt need to), sizing and recharging is good (although would have wished for USB C).
Great video John, as usual. Top stuff. Can I just add something about venting: vents are great but to work effectively you need intake and corresponding exhaust venting. Venting into a waterproof liner is pointless and vents with overflaps severely restricts their effectiveness. Features like this are normally sorted on the high end jackets and trousers.
Good point, cheers!
What matters is triple-A rating and CE Level 2 protectors including chest protection. After that I look for style (no huge brand names or pockets as if I was fishing). Next whatever I need - particularly good ventillation, waterproofing, leather, airbag-compatibility etc.
Which clothing maker has AAA level rating and Level 2 protectors, inc. chest?
Thanks for a great video.
I’ve worn Klim in 30 degree heat and down near freezing. Close to perfect.
My gf has Klim laminated jkt paired with Halvarsons drop liner trousers for more lower half comfort/flexibility. All has been battle tested in severe, hours long rain with no issues.
Your vlog on crash protection was enlightening. Waterproof leathers have come a long way and offer comfort, weather and crash protection that rivals my textile kit.
I agree, and several waterproof leathers are available. I’d love to see Bennetts (John) review them
For those just starting out or on a limited budget- the internet is full of lightly used gear or even new from those who either no longer ride or lost weight / put it on. You can get double aa rated jeans, double aa jacket with ce2 rated armour, sharp 5 star helmet, ce 2 level gloves and boots if you look brand new for £350 all in, even less if you go used or ex display.
Pet hate: velcro on the collar which both fails to keep the collar closed securely, but still manages to eat away at helmet straps.
I've recommended this channel to all my bikers friends. Amazing research as usual
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I bought the ALPINESTARS GP PLUS R V3 RIDEKNIT leather jacket. I bought it for the summer days since the jacket has many parts that are knitted rather than leather. So far it's pretty spectacular overall, a major issue would arise wearing it during winter, but during the warmer months it's fantastic for what it is, and holds up to the average amount of rain (in England) for up to an hour with no problem. I haven't come off of it, but its AA rated, and the materials are pretty sturdy. Comes at a cost though, RRP at around £450 depending on where you buy it... I'd recommend it, for warmer days even with a chance of rain.
Halvarrson kit all the way for me...
Great vid again chaps 💪
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
The other advantage of laminated gear is they keep the wind out. So on a cold day they are a really good barrier to keep you warmer, but you do need to wear a good windproof layer beneath, should there be any drafts.
Great survey with a lot of results. And having had Klim gear the past year i concur with the results for them as a brand. I'm highly impressed with it and glad i spent the money on it.
I now wear a mesh jacket all year long. When it gets cold I put in the waterproof liner. I do not use the liner for rain as it is cold with a wet liner near the skin. I have a thin waterproof jacket I wear over the mesh for rain and for near freezing cold. The waterproof liner over the mesh provides an insulated air barrier against the cold. I am still looking for great mesh pants.
Absolutely fantastic video, very enlightening and informative. Have now gained a real understanding of fabrics, treatments, etc. Well done👏
Thanks so much? Cheers, John
Cheers for yet another great video.
I got back into biking recently after a way too long layoff.
The only bit of kit I'm still using from then is my Frank Thomas textile jacket. It seems to be fine and has kept me dry in the pouring rain.
With regards to the gloves inside/outside of sleeves, I put mine outside. When it's raining the water goes up your glove and over the top of your sleeve, if it was inside the sleeve it would go in and wet your arm.
If the cuff's properly sealed around the glove, having them inside is usually the best bet - as counter-intuitive as it seems! Cheers, John
I'll give it a try. Cheers.
I have a Oxford Mondial laminated suit which is absolutely amazing, been out in some seriously crap weather, snow hail and absolute downpours and had no issues what so ever, even without the thermal liners, however with the rain running down the outside on a sportbike I did start to get pretty cold., Not at all if I have the thermal liner in, been out in winter with just a t-shirt and the thermal liner in and was fine in almost freezing temperatures
The Mondial is a great bit of kit, though it doesn't have the direct ventilation of the Hinterland. You can read the full review here: www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/reviews/products/textile-jackets-trousers-suits/oxford-mondial-laminate-jacket-trousers-review
I would agree, the Mondial is fantastic, especially for the price. Upgrading the armour to level 2 massively improved the comfortability factor for me.
I'm fairly oldschool in my gear these days, an old Richa leather jacket has treated me well for around 10 years with a bit of treatment whenever I can be arsed. it's flawed but it's outlived any textile clothing that I've ever had and has been down the road. Trousers are RST Paragons, they've been amazing and were waterproof in even the worst weather but the waterproof lining has given up now so I usually end up jumping in the waterproof boil-in-the-bag if it's particularly bad. For me you can't beat the durability and longevity of leather with a bit of feeding. Textiles tend to get a bit tatty over time and lengthy commuting all year round even if they keep you dry they get saturated and heavy in time and start to stink when they get old so the waterproof oversuit comes out anyway. I'm starting to think sod it I'll stick to leather if I'm going to end up in the bag when the weather is rough.
I Completely agree , even if i still have some textile gear. I prefer my leathers
I "arsed" with my gear lately and do not have planes to sell my 10 years "young" Halvarssons leathers. I have bought newest Halvarssons protectors all around with D30 Viper back insert and now I must fix main zip on the jacket... Halvarssons provide waterproof membranes but those parts are in my closet and I prefer dedicated Scott waterproofs OVER my leather AND textile kit. I have tedency to give away and sell dropliner gear. Every gear wet out soon or later and therefore I almost always have with me Scott waterproof jacket and trousers. But again riding MT-09 on the curvy roads of West Norway is almost extreme hobby 😅 My priorities are following: 1. Laminate gear (not necessarily Gore!); 2. Kit with possibility for membrane part to have OVER, under or off the gear, and 3. Nice pair of leathers or mesh jacket and jeans without membranes at all. I have noticed that when winter coming many expensive motorcycle apparel is to cold, specially gloves and (laminated) trousers. And neck solutions on motorcycle jackets are usually bad (helmet hood anyone?). Gear maintenance is important and textiles are washable, huge pluss over leathers in everyday use 🙂
I met John at Rownams services recently and he's hands down one of the nicest blokes and certainly knows his stuff.
Sounds like I'm reviewing or giving him feedback on ebay 😃
Thanks SO much - that's really kind! Hope your KTM comes in soon! Cheers, John
Been riding for 51 years , all year riding , all weathers . I’d only get laminated kit nowadays, dry quickly and are a lot lighter . Great vlog , who was the old bloke doing dad dancing? 😂😂
Dunno - he just stumbled in
I wouldn’t put a camera no matter how small in a back pocket, if you come off, which is the whole point of such protective clothing, landing on your back could easily be made worse as essentially it would be like landing on a rock in the low back drastically increasing your chance of spinal fracture. Always wear protective clothing like you will need it on that ride.
Getting off the ferry in plymouth a couple of weeks ago into driving rain. Welcome back to blightly! No prob's thought i, Dane gore tex pro jacket and new Held trousers. Over the next five hours of non stop rain my cotton neck tube wicked the water under my jacket into the base layer and down to my shreddies. I was cold wet and bloody miserable when i got home.
Oh no! Going point though... definitely something to watch out for. Cheers, John
Great review John, I have a few textile suits the first was the BMW coverall that’s worn over normal clothes. It has armour and isn’t a waterproof over-suit but a proper protective suit. I’ve had it several years and it has always been 100% waterproof and generally comfortable to wear. The only problem with this suit comes in hot weather as there aren’t any vents so not so great. I bought an Oxford suit thunk it was the Mondial laminate suit but I ride in all weathers lots of miles on a blood bike so was disappointed when I was about 100 miles from home in heavy rain and I was soaked. I have replaced this with a Dane suit and ridden for the last year. It had a good fit has proved to be completely waterproof and has enough vents for summer. For extra protection I also wear a Helite air vest.
Thanks! A shame the Oxford let you down, but glad the Dane is working well. And a BIG thanks for the Blood Bike work! All the best, John
Cheapskate here: I'm still using a Frank Thomas textile jacket I got for £50 19 years ago. It stays dry for about an hour and with multiple warm layers underneath I rode for about 7 hours with temperatures just above zero this winter. I gave up on the matching trousers from the beginning because of poor fitting at the ankle.
I've spent a lot of time looking at jackets as I really want the best option for my needs... however, one thing I have noticed regarding reviews etc is that the demographic of the owner is hardly ever considered. For example I heard rave reviews about Rukka so I order a number of jackets from SBS due to free returns. I ordered multiple models and 2 sizes of each. Every single one was awful when it came to fit. Sleeves were too short and the main body was definitely designed for someone carrying far more weight than I do. I sent them all back and paid more attention when out and about and realised that the majority of Rukka owners are middle aged or retired men with significant beer bellies... (usually riding BMW GS's) which isn't surprising considering that you need significant, disposable income to pay upwards of £700 on a jacket. Trying to get a good jacket that fits is one of the hardest things I've had to do since I got my license 6 years ago.
Maybe you should eat more fish & chips, you'll grow into it
@@stocks7765 funny, although it utterly misses the point that I was making about the type of wearer in the first place.
I’m slim and just bought full set of Rukka gear and it’s by far the most comfortable gear I’ve ever owned. Nivala 2.0 Just phenomenal ❤
I have to say I’ve never been a fan of the outer jacket for my main protection. I have a Knox Urbane Pro which is AA and has Level 2 armours. Belt loops keep it secured and I just layer up with other gear I already have. GoreTex Packlite for the rain, woolly army jumper for the cold, puffy decathlon jacket for the proper cold.
Maybe I’m a cheap bastard but I like using the kit I’ve already bought and paid for. I want the armour and abrasion resistance but apart from that - if it’s good enough for winter paragliding it’s good enough. Tbh it’s so easy to overspend.
Every bit of RST kit I've bought have leaked from new. I find RST kit to be a complete disappointment and waste of money if rain is a concern. I've bought from their budged end to their expensive end and where waterproofing is concerned it been money wasted, I'll never buy it again. And before anyone says "no motorcycle kit is truly waterproof" I've hadn't had an issue with any of my Risha, wiese or alpinestars kit.
Great video by the way 👍
You are lucky.Ihave new Honda Transalp 750 XL 2024,white with golden rims.I had a plan to go around but engine is making vibrations on the handle and even on fuel tank.My fingers gat numb and my bools and wily are numb after short ride.What am I going to buy a suit for?
Got a Dainese laminate jacket and Dane laminate trousers.100% dry in many hours of deluge. Very well cut for comfort and useful details for adjustability. For comparison I recently got given a Richa Infinity 2 Pro which suffers from many of the design faults mentioned in the video, although it is waterproof. Check Fit while on a bike, pocket configuration, wrist adjustment method and neck fastenings.
I have been riding bikes for almost 40 years, my Goretex Pro Rukka ArmaS jacket and trousers are the most waterproof and expensive kit I have ever used. The Rukka kit feels like a fitted suit. I do not see the point in having a waterproof layer under the outer jacket, why would you want to wear a soaking wet heavy outer jacket.
Excellent, interesting content! The airbag and internal "tap-on-the-shoulder" technologies of near-future are exciting. Good on yah, BKS!
Thos is a brilliant channel.
Well done folks. Keep up the good work
Thanks very much! Cheers, John
I've been impressed with my Halvarssons Walker jacket. I've ridden 9000 miles in all weather so far, stayed dry every time.
Brilliant suit, just their own brand, back protector is the only problem with that suit.
Great video as always John, consistently fantastic content. I ride in an Oxford hinterland suit for the last year. I've ridden in 0 degree and up to mid 20s on my hour commute wearing just cotton trousers and shirt underneath. It's my first laminate kit and I'll never go back. Perfectly dry in horrible weather, liner keeps me warm, open the zips in summer and the breeze flows through. It's been comfortable in all weather but it's not perfect. I'd like to see an improvement in the collar. Although the material is soft it needs a slight redesign as my work shirt can pop out over the top sometimes.
That's fantastic to hear, thanks! All the best, John
Thank you for the video, very informative. I am not familiar with many of these brands. I am in South Alabama, where the heat and humidity is ridiculously high. I could probably ride in a pair of silk boxers and still be covered in sweat for 4 months of the year. Most importantly for me would be ventilation and rain protection, which seems to be an impossible combination.
Have you considered layered kit, so a mesh jacket and a waterproof over suit?
About the gloves tucked inside the jacket. This works great for most, except if you have tall handelbars. With Most bikes your arms positioned with your hands lower than your elbows. Cruiser and some advs with high bars where your hand is higher than your elbow while riding. I find it creates a wind/water tunnel down your jacket arms. I found gloves outside works best for higher bars. Right until you step off the bike and gravity wicks all the water down you arm and into the inside of your glove.
Definitely it's about finding what works best for you. And just walk around with your amrs up waving all the time... hey presto, no water dribble! Cheers, John
I've ridden motorcycles since 1973 and always had my jacket inside the gloves. I've never ever had rain running down my arms into my gloves. High bars, medium bars and clip on bars. I don't stand in the rain. I ride and the rain follows the wind. A problem with most kit today is that jacket sleeves are wider and gloves narrower to accommodate gloves inside the jacket. That makes it more difficult properly tucking our jackets inside the gloves. I miss my old kit from 1978. I gave it away.
Another great video from bike social. These are really proving to be invaluable. Well done all behind them.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Many thanks, John, for an extremely informative video.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
All i can say is i have not a very good experience with Hein Gericke brand. I`m a Dutchman living for many years in the hot and humid climate of Malaysia. When my wife had to go to Munich Germany for a business trip i followed her and while there i went to the Hein Gericke shop and bought a jacked. I only wore it a couple of times not more than 10. But now 2 of the zips that seam to be glued in let go completely. I think it has to do with the climate here because i also face many times problems with sport shoes where the sole let go while they still almost like new. Any way only my 2 cents. take care ride safe
Diggin' the moves John! Awesome content as usual, too. :)
Thanks! Slow mo makes everyone cool. Oh, no it doesn't!
If your trousers have a short hanging loop then use an old shoelace or similar to make a bigger one by looping it through. Simples.
Good idea! Cheers, John
Awesome video John!! Great information to day to day riders but also for new riders or anyone wiling to come back to riding after "life" got in the way for a few years, like me. Keep it up doing theses reviews, you're doing great and they're really valuable! 👍👍
PS. Any chance you can do a review of Summer gloves? Thank you.
Thanks so much! I did do one about gloves recently. Also, check out all the glove reviews at bikesocial.co.uk. Cheers, John ruclips.net/video/d5kXk-WRAyQ/видео.html
@@bennettsbikesocial thank you John!
I use RST jeans, leather jacket find them comfortable only ever been in light rain also have RST long jacket and bottoms the same can zip them together very happy overall for the price ,RST short leg boots all great value all products have back elbow shoulder and knee protection 👍
Last 2 helmets been a HJC lovely comfortable helmet however the clip at the front that locks the visor down is very poor in my view, less than 6 months old clip broke at first company didn't think it was a genuine fault eventually replaced it again same thing happened I bought a replacement myself that went the same way in under a year old so don't use the HJC at all ,I replaced it with a shark it cost £ 190 it's been great till 2 days ago over 3 years old and it's just broken on the visor on the holding point on the side of the helmet but been very pleased, so need to get a new visor,
Great video,
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Went with Rukka 5 years ago. Their zips always break (my jacket being sent back 5 times) and their customer service is atrocious. When I bought it I was told if the jacket went wrong I’d be given another till it was repaired, not once did I receive a loaner. Not sure which I will go with for autumn but Rukka aren’t looking like the favourite.
Really sorry to hear that!
Agree with Rukka CS being poor. I recently bought my second pair of Rukka Apollo gloves. I was shocked to see the label saying they were 79% polyester. It was obviously a misprint, but I wanted to Rukka to confirm it. It took 3 emails and over a month before they even bothered to respond. And then just said, "oh yeah it's a bad print on the label". that was it.
I appreciate it might be difficult to comment on in the UK but as an Aussie I'd love to know what (if any) *full* mesh jackets are safe and trustworthy. Maximum irflow with some level of safety are literally the only things that matter some days, I've never ridden in a t-shirt but the temptation is very real.
Best bet is to aim for the highest rating under EN17092
Knox Urbane Pro is AA with level 2 armour in the mk3. I have one and just put on regular layers on top. Works great for me when combined with a pair of single-layer AAA jeans.
Bought some Rukka Apollo gloves for £200
In the space of 9 months the liner has pulled straight out 3 times, had it replaced under warranty those 3 times. Not particularly roughh with my gloves, these are the only ones that has ever happened to me. My Lindstrand, revit and richa gloves did not do this for me ever. Also, not 100% waterproof, running the tap over them in the sink or submerging in water, they do leak in the finger tips, but I don't know if I'm being unreasonable with that test seeing as thats not a realistic waterproof test. They have been waterproof in the the times I have been caught in rain and my fingertips are underneath the handlebars I guess scratchchin
I am thinking of buying some Rukka gear off ebay, £160 for a gore-tex textile jacket that has been barely used. am I just unlucky with my experience with Rukka or is this a general trend recently? All their stuff is made in China now.
Sorry to hear that! It's very hard to say really - I've not used any Rukka gloves, so have no experience of them. We do have a video with user experiences of gloves too here: ruclips.net/video/d5kXk-WRAyQ/видео.html
I'm so sad that I only just found this video after buying my gear online without ever seeing it.
I wish I could join your community but in from Australia.
The last BMW adventure suit I had wasn't totally waterproof. The back of the liner was breathable...
Maybe getting wet is part of the adventure :)
@@Jonathan-L hahaha yeah maybe.
A noble effort. I think the scoring overall is a bit difficult to appraise because people won't have necessarily owned multiple suits of the same construction etc to compare. My Halvarssons laminated suit is worlds ahead of my previous Oxford and Spada kit but they were cheapo drop liner affairs. When I win it big and get a Rukka or Klim suit maybe I'll be able to compare! The stuff that just doesn't get the job done stands out at least.
Thanks! Halvarssons makes some great kit. Cheers, John
40+ years here, swear by Rukka gear. 👍
… & their faultless customer service.
i ride in a tremendous laminated textile suit and you don't even mention it: Stadler (super vent 3). How come??
I upgraded from the Revit Neptune, also very good.
I ride almost 30 k kms a year , year round commute, Brussels region on my XR, so good gear is very important.
Hi Peter... Sadly Stadler just didn't come up from our 1,898 survey respondents, and I (and the rest of the Test Team) have no experience of the brand. However, hopefully the video helps with what to look for in any jacket / trousers, so anybody coming across it should be able to decide if it's right for them; given how hard you use it, it certainly sounds good kit! And good choice of bike, by the way; I have a first gen XR. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I think our bikes are almost identical, first gen, triple black and i installed the denalis after seeing your vid on it
@@petervautmans199 Ah - did we speak before about it? Rings a bell but I have a memory like a sieve! Cheers, John
Excellent video with some great information, top job! 👍
Great vid John 👍🏻 as always.
What about over jackets and trousers ie Rev’it Cyclone
I did mention oversuits briefly, but didn't go into details, sorry! Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial I use a Triumph Waldron mesh jacket, it’s brilliant in summer but should it rain!! So I’ve bought a Rev’it cyclone 3 for my backpack.
I don’t think it’d be worth you doing over jackets and pants.
Great informative vid as always 👍🏻
I trust this guy.
Thanks very much! All the best, John
Fantastic video as always! Quick question…realistically, how waterproof are the wax cotton jackets?
If they're kept well waxed then theoretically they should be good, but there's a lot to degrade that coating. Cheers, John
Thank you for the thorough explanation.
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
An important thing to inform about is if jacket from brand X can be zipped together with trousers from brand Y. I have rukka, but the jacket is now too small, but the trousers is still perfect
Great, objective, and informative video, as always. Thank you for educating us. Curious, though as to why no offerings from Knox? Aren't they one of the most safety-conscious brands?
Cheers! Sadly Knox didn't make it into the survey as not enough people who responded owned it - there's a list of every brand that we couldn't include in there. Having only used some of the brands gloves, and with nobody in our team having had the opportunity to use any of it either, we couldn't use any as examples. Still, hopefully the video will help you decide if it's right for you. All the best, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Thank you for clarifying, John, as well as pinning the links to the various breakdowns (super helpful and illustrative). I asked the question because, as an American, I've always turned to the European markets for my gear because I genuinely believe you all are far more serious about your safety standards, as well as more transparent in delineating amongst the certifications. Let's just say there's not much "truth in advertising" here haha. I only wear AAA certified gear, including Knox, Merlin, Stylmartin, and John Doe. I do have a two-year-old Klim "Induction" jacket, but have no clue what its safety rating is. It's the only American kit I own, yet hardly wear. Interesting that an American company fared so well amongst the other competitors. Thank you again; I greatly enjoy your channel...you're all an invaluable resource.
@@Peter-mcmcmc cheers! Interestingly, Klim is one of the few textile brands to currently be making off-the-peg AAA-rated textiles!
Dane gear is way underrated. I had my sealand pro its priced competitively with best material available in the market. I dont have much joy with Rev It the stitch failed in shownroom before I buy...
Nice video mate, moving back to Scotland from NYC, looking for KTM 1290...... and all the gear that one needs. TY
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
great video , however your square not hanging square on the side of the cabinet kept drawing my attention away ...ocd trigger
Ahh, but it stays there, and doesn't slide off. It's an optimum skew!
I'd urge anyone who wants high end textiles to get along to Hideout in Saffron Walden. Surely the best available anywhere in the world. AAA rated. M2M and customised if required. Can always be repaired or altered. Made to last for many years.
Actually, Hideout meets the higher EN13595, like BKS. They're both mentioned in this video
@@bennettsbikesocial yeah that's what I meant, apologies to Kate! You find lots of police and other pro riders in the shop.
I was being paid a mileage rate for bike, working in NHS and commuting different hospitals, we decided that mandates proper PPE. Something for folk to bear in mind and the £2k was deductible.
Great video. Thanks
Unfortunatly notting about the visibility in traffic or bad weather-conditions. Most of the shown suits are dark greyish. If you like to be noticed, and like me you don’t like the pull over yellow or orange vests, you are stuck to an limited stock.
I kept an older and warmer suit for the colder seasons, and a nice ventilated suit (Louis) for summer. 👍🏼
Nice channel i got to say, greetings from the Netherlands.
Best jacket I ever owned was a KTM Adventure. Got a good fifteen years out of it. For the most part I don't want to feel encumbered by my kit and too much of the gear out there does exactly that.
Great video. I have a question about short(mesh) jackets. Like dainese laguna seca 3, or rev it traffic h20. Are they good for naked bikes? Because they seem too short in the waist area, and cold goes in from there.
I haven't had a problem with the ones I've used, but it really will depend on your body shape I'm afraid. Cheers John
Can you do a video on riding hoodies i have just started riding and comuting i am only 16 and find that comuting in a jumper to be by far the most comfortable.
Keep an eye on BikeSocial.co.uk for reviews. Cheers, John
Great work mate
Merlin gear has let me down. I have two jackets the same, one for home one for work. Both exhibiting the same failures. Merlin warranty repair was shockingly bad and a Twitter search will find my video showing their idea of a repair. They literally sowed the pocket shut and we’re rude over the phone when I called to explain my issue with the returned jacket. Loved the modeling in this video! Brilliant!
Sorry to hear that! What model is it?
@@bennettsbikesocial Yoxall wax jackets. Merlin kicked me off as a follower after I showed the video of the warranty repair. I’ll never buy this brand again and I can only hope the build quality and repairs are now up to scratch. With all the industry chasing non CE certified traders at motorcycle events. It’s worth the industry taking a closer look at the bigger brands. I can go to two local dealers and point out imperfections in jackets on sale yo us bikers. And I know you could too. Im not here to bash Merlin. It’s just our combined experiences all help guide each other on what’s been good and not so good. Still, im chuckling over the modelling
Interesting to hear of your experience with Merlín. I have been looking into getting one of their wax cotton models & basically haven’t got one yet cos I struggled to find any in stores to try on etc. Your experience is seriously making me doubt making the purchase now. Thanks for the info.
@@martinowl For every one of me, there will be others that will say their experience was good. So if you find a jacket, do give it a good look over and ask the retailer about how warranty claims take place. It’s a budget brand and I won’t be giving them my hard earned money ever again. Both jackets having the same failures says defective manufacturing. But the repair was shockingly bad. I have two jackets I don’t feel safe to wear. Given all the chasing after non CE sellers at motorcycle events. I think the industry should look at itself. And we’re out the sellers of sun standard gear
@@MotoTingle I can see Merlin asked you to contact them in that Tweet - what was the outcome?
I brought a Knox unban pro 2 and came off while out dirt bike riding in the bush ( from Australia) anyway broke my wrist and injured my right shoulder, it was a slow speed off , in my 40 years road and off road riding experience Level 2 armour SHOULD be in ALL shoulders ( as this is one ☝️ of the most injured areas on a crash 💥) so I have upgraded my shoulders to level 2. Actually BEST vented jacket is the knox urban pro 2. So your telling no one ☝️ voted for any KNOX gear .
We had a few votes for Knox, but not enough to be able to get any useful data - the same as all the other brands listed.
@@bennettsbikesocial I’m very surprised it bring a UK 🇬🇧 brand item .
@@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 Knox is popular in gloves (and did well in the gloves survey), but not so much in other riding gear. RST was the most popular here, but that's more likely down to price and availability in stores, not because it's also a UK brand. Oxford is probably the most commonly available as it's in almost every bike shop; that's a UK brand too.
@@bennettsbikesocial Oxford heated grips are big in Australia, as the ADV / dual sport riding here is MASSIVE, some of those brands are popular to like RST , Klim , motodry - crap 💩 ( used to be fantastic 10 years ago ) Rjays , and others .
Good amount of information👌
A couple of questions please John. I've ridden in the Oxford Mondial for about 3 years, many times in heavy rain. Is the Oxford Hinterland significantly better, and if so, in what way? Second question, I like to ride in riding jeans all year round, in the winter I use rikka base garments. Have you ever found any over trousers that are actually completely waterproof? Because in torrential downpours, over several hours, when touring, I always end up with a slightly (sometimes more than slightly!) damp crotch and seat.. (mine, not the bike's). Tia. 👍
I'd say the main advantage of the of the Hinterland is that it has excellent venting.
With the overtrousers, it could be the moisture building up inside that can't escape, causing you to soak from the inside perhaps? In Wales over two days in the Hinterland kit alone I didn't get wet anywhere. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial Also, the Hinterland is AA, but the Mondial is only A-rated.
@@The-Splat Good point - forgot that. Ta!
Thank you for doing this roundup and while this review is a good idea in theory, brands are using multiple types of waterproofing, thermal, and outer materials within there lineup's including how they are bonded. Its difficult to rely on the information presented due to this. No idea how you would get around this without going into even more detail, maybe a test on the individual materials inc seam strength, waterproof pressure test, and an oxford abrasion test to go along with the general consensus? Anyway, thanks for putting in the time to pull all of this info together.
Our reviews on BikeSocial.co.uk cover full waterproof testing for individual garments
That was a great video, thank you
Thanks for watching! Cheers, John
It doesn't matter how much the kit costs (£2K), if the importers habitually refuse warranty claims.
Apparently a jacket within the 6 year warranty period is "old" and accordingly not covered.
Thinking about fit, is there any of these brands that cater for the more athletic frame, I'm an ex rugby player with 2nd row legs and shoulders and struggling to find a brand that fits.
Can anyone recommend some laminate trousers that don't feel 5 sizes too big, loads of the textile gear is easy to get a nice fitting jacket but anything over 32 waist in the trousers and the legs are huge and baggy
Okay, i have a question. Im looking at buying the Rukka Rimo - R GorTex Jacket, its safety rating is B. However, you can add the level 2 armour to the back, shoulders, elbow and chest area. Is it still something to go for or stay away from the initial B Rating before adding Level 2 armour?
Chhers
Very good question, but I'm afraid that without any certification of the abrasion resistance, it's impossible to say with any confidence. Protection isn't the be-all-and-end-all, but if it's part of your buying decision, then the only way to assess protective performance is through certification results. Sorry I can't help more! Cheers, John
Great review - thank you! After a low-speed crash on gravel that left me with a spleen laceration, I've been looking for brands that offer some decent flank protection. In my case, as I hit the ground, my elbow (itself well protected with D30) unfortunately pushed hard into my flank causing my internal injuries. Have you come across any kit that offers decent flank protection?
Sorry to hear that! The AlpineStars Tech Air 5 vest might have what you're after. Cheers, John www.alpinestars.com/products/tech-air-5-system
great video and info - thank you. can we have a video of just you posing? very funny!
I think the internet would struggle to handle it!
2:55 no offence to your survey guys but rounding the %'ges to whole digits here is silly. You didn't get exactly the same number of responses for all the 1% brands for example. The right way to present this data is to show the number of responses returned for each bit of kit, with a percentage next to it - probably to 1d.p.
Good video thanks
Oh wow! I didn't know that the like button lights up now when you tell us to like the video! That's awesome!
Wait, what?! Really?
I biught the #rukka ARMA-T kit in 2016 for daily commuting and it's been exceptional at keeping my dry through the winter. The challenges have been keeping we warm when the weather gets proper cold - so I have a mid- and down-layers from #adventurespec and #klim - and then cool in the summers as the vents are useless. One other issue I Has was the take on the wrist zips; they're corroded to the point they fell off a don't take a replacement, so it's been frustrating and hard on the closed fingers now pulling the zipper closed. For me, if I had the money for a new suit, I wouldn't;t be going back to Rukka and have my eyes on the Klim range...
Rukka have to many quirks. Try Halvarssons/Lindstrands, they use best zippers.
My Halverssons Walkyr jacket has been great, but after 2.5 years the top 5" of the main zip came away from the coat. Not great for a quality jacket with a 2 yr warranty. Can it be repaired?
That's a shame! I'd speak to Halvarssons first as they might be able to help, and at least will have a repairer they could recommend. I don't see why it can't be repaired. Also try Lincs repair - Al specialises in leather, but might be able to do this. www.lincsrepair.co.uk/ Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial thanks John, amazing rapid response! Will do.
Currently have a Rukka Kallavesi suit (having owned various Rukka and Rev’it suits over the years), very disappointed with the quality now. Stitching on jacket inner sleeve cuff ripped out, when I withdrew my hand through the cuff (jacket was only a month old and worn a few times). Had to be returned to UK importer for repair. Now the stitching on Kallevesi trouser are starting to unthread in various places, again they have had to be returned, but this time they have had to go back to Rukka in Sweden, with a 8 to 10 week turnaround! No offer of lone trousers, so I have to go 2 and half months without kit. So can’t recommend Rukka anymore, their quality seems to have taken a huge drop, at the customers expense, NOT at all impressed. 🧐 Edit: I need to also add that this suit is only about 14 months old and only worn the equivalent of twice a month (when we weren’t in lockdown), so not heavily worn everyday, and not done thousands of miles!
Oh no! Really sorry to hear that. Hope it gets sorted.
@@bennettsbikesocial Thanks for your reply, I hope so too, appreciate your video. Still very disappointed with the quality, and then the amount of time I will have to be without my 2K + suit.
Such a shame stadler was not hear , things like there treasure pro jacket and all4all pants , probably the best kit on the market
Sadly it was among the brands that didn't get anywhere near enough feedback from our survey respondents. Plus I, and everyone else in the team, have no experience of it. Hopefully the video will help people choose if it's the right gear for them. Cheers, John
@@bennettsbikesocial hi john yea unfortunately its a brand that not many people have discovered yet , motolegends on youtube have got a couple of great vids on them and its what the German and Irish police use but just my opinion i feel they are the best kit on the market by far but hopefully more folk will learn about them , but if you get some spare time worth popping over to motolegends youtube and having a little look at the tresure pro jacket and the all4 pants to see what you think , but great vid as always mate and always very helpfull , thanks again
@@alpinab14 I got you!II have the Rukka Realer(Nivala)and the 4all pro trousers!Best kit ever owned.Drove 900 km from France to Belgium in horrendous rain,not one drop came trough and it was between 6_9 degrees, didn't feel cold at all with Rukka's base and midlayers.Stadler/Rukka and Klim,you don't need anything else
@@stocks7765 totally agree mate , wish more people knew about stadlar , they really are the best clothing available , really glad i went for laminate gore tex , got cought in very heavy rain over the weekend and after hanging everything up to dry the laminated gore tex pants were bone dry on the outside within an hour but the old non laminated gore tex jacket i have was still very damp the next morning , worth the extra cost imo
@@alpinab14 true!And they last a lifetime,friends have 8-10 year old Rukka and Stadler,still waterproof after all these years 💪
John really does PhD level research for Bennetts. Give the man his doctorate 😉
Ha! Thanks! All the best, John