If there's any way to get ahold of you I would very much like to have a lore discussion about Melina. I have some pretty interesting theories regarding her and the gloam eyed queen. If nothing else it might be interesting for you and your colleagues to chew on. I watched quite a few of these lore channels and all of you guys have given me Amazing Ideas. Keep up the good work I love your content
This "alright what's going on guys" was particularly "I am fully aware my subscribers like my intro so i'm going to say it in the most provocatively manly way possible"
They’re the ultimate panic-bait enemy. That rush attack and their horrific appearance work together to get you to spam backward roll, which will guarantee you get stunlocked and rekt. There are plenty of ways to beat them but they all revolve around staying calm and properly dodging despite being genuinely startled and unsettled
100%. I learned that attacking them sideways, between their arms, is the most effective way to no hit them. They are so oblivious that miss nearly every attack, that's why they use a swipe or two.
nah i disagree. Its a fundamentally unfair enemy because it can exit and re-enter your field of view quick enough to make genuine reaction impossible. It doesnt "bait" you to panic, it effectively gives you no choice but to.
I’ve got some strange theory that the wraiths attack you when you approach the nobles in chairs because they represent their bodies in life and they still feel tied to them. In Japan, curses are often tied to hatred and a feeling of not wishing to move on (forced to pass) Healing is a life-giving, positive act and that may be why is negatively impacts beings ruled by anger and death. Their erratic aggressive nature also supports this I guess.
The immortality came from Marika sealing the rune of death. People became unable to die naturally and they just aged until their brains rotted. Some of the nobleman and peasent gear references the whole unending life driving them mad as well and is why they look and act like shriveled zombies.
I don't think the nobleman are as mad as we think. They actively hire Kaiden mercenaries as protection and go on expeditions across the lands between searching for valuable commodities. There are a lot of enemies that are clearly "hollow" but still have their wits about them. Despite what the item descriptions say.
@@qr5393 No, they're mad. Godrick or his soldiers hire the Kaidens. Though, you could say that there is still some sense of intelligence left as there are some wandering nobles who seem to be "lookouts" or "leaders". Maybe Godrick or his goons just told certain wandering nobles to do what they do, and that's that. WHO KNOWS! DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!!
@@jasN86 From what I can tell, they aren't mad. The Nobles still show fear when they have no weapon and are attacked. Heck they even show fear towards dragons even if they're armed. But I wouldn't call them sane either. My best bet is due to their long-lived lives, they all suffer from dementia. It even states in their Spirit Ashes that 'they were in search of something, but whatever it was, has long since been forgotten.'
2 years playing Elden Ring almost EXCLUSIVELY (I have hardly playing any other game since ER launch), I have like 100+ finished runs, platinum, 1 NG+7 character, all the weapons, armor, ashes, spells, like 2000 hours played or so, including the mandatory all bosses/invasions/unique mobs run and I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT AMBUSH!!!!!!!!!! Wow, best $60 ever. It never ends giving.
I've had the idea that revenants are the souls of people who were grafted, their spirits grafted into one raging being just as their bodies were. The curse of Grafting. Perhaps if a body holding a twig is grafted it can make the base for a revenant instead of becoming a wraith.
Small tip for the revenants. Attack. Be! Aggressive! Be, Be, Aggressive! The whole time they're coming out of the ground is just free hits. Roll towards them at angles, don't run away on foot if you want to live.
They also appear en masse in the moonfolk ruins on the moonlight altar, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was what their people were called. It also lends credence to the theory that the Snowy Crone was one of these moonfolk due to Ranni's four arms and blue skin.
Doubt youll see this zio. But personally i think wraiths and revanants are those who were cursed by godwynes deathblight and died. This would explain why the eclipse shotel seemingly uses wraiths as its "Flame " along with why a revanant is in the haligtree. Further more this might also explain why healing spells hurt them. Because, their forever cursed with a deathly blight and attempting healing only causes the blight to act up
The vengeful spirits are those of cursed Omens and they’re vengeful towards the nobles because of the way the nobles viewed and treated the Omen. The revenants you mentioned as somewhat out of place in the shunning ground and haligtree are near Omens and seedbed curses. The wraith callers that appear near the dead nobles are not trying to summon them, they are attempting to summon the vengeful spirits that they persecuted. At least that’s always been my interpretation.
On my way to the Goldenlineage Evergoal i found 2 Vulgar militia men and a wraith caller guarding the tunnel leading to Godefroy the grafted. I cant recall EVER seeing these two enemy types together, coincidence?
Still over here wondering why there is ghostflame under stormveil. I THINK it's the only place in the game where you can find ghostflame without it being underground in a catacombs or one of the Nox citites. Makes me wonder what they did down there before our golden fishy boy photobombed his way in. I doubt they added sconces of ghostflame just for him since the only enemies are the giant beef noodle and some rats plus there was no attempt to tidy up the broken arches or statues leading there. Maybe deathbird worship or something
One important detail is that the powers of the Wraithcallers and Revenants are basically identical to the spirits which haunt the Omen. Certain lore theory channels (in particular SmoughTown and Tarnished Archeologist) have brought forth the idea that Omen are born under the influence of the Crucible, which still lingers inside the Erdtree. However, because of this, they are disconnected from the cycle of rebirth which is channeled by the Erdtree, and as such the souls of dead Omen have no choice but to haunt living Omen, thus being the source of their nightmares. Omen who retain their horns, which are marks of the Crucible's influence, are attuned enough with the spirits dwelling within them that they can rouse them to attack their enemies. If similar VFXs are meant to draw a connection between the Omen and the Revenants, it could be that the latter are cursed souls who have somehow found a way to incarnate rather than haunt their living siblings, especially given their ability to appear from seemingly nowhere, which is clearly supernatural. Alternatively, they could just be normal humans who have taken to worshipping these vengeful spirits and have been imbued with their powers, having their bodies twisted in the process. Liurnia has always harbored a rivalry against the Erdtree, so maybe this one cult sought to harness the power of spirits who were themselves enemies of the Erdtree, only to be overwhelmed by them and warped into horrid abominations. This would also explain the presence of so many Revenants in the Haligtree: they infiltrated it because the Haligtree was Miquella's attempt at creating a new Erdtree, which they perhaps perceived as equally repugnant.
I'm preeeeeeetty sure, immortality was caused for plucking the run of death out of the elden ring. Not the shattering. It's pretty much the entire point of the game, to unleash true death in the world once again. As Melina puts it "this world is in need of indiscriminate death". One important clue to this, is the fact that one: Erdtree burial is a sham. The "corpses" are CLEARLY still there, in the roots, no different from the still alive, but motionless bodies from which we loot items in the game. Not to mention, despite them having "been returned to the erdtree", you clearly get the spirit ashes from them. Meaning the spirit simply rested there, but never ACTUALLY returned to the roots. It's 100% a pure unsustantiated belief of the residents of that world. And two: The accursed omen use the same colored "vengeful spirits". Who are said to have been cursed souls, unable to return to the erdtree. But remember, NO soul can return to the erdtree. Even rememberances, are stuck with the player, not in the erdtree, the same as Mohg's and Morgott's rememberances, they are all the same. Only the living jars sacrifice, and miquella's blood were seen to have an effect on feeding erdtrees. All of which are "live" sacrifices, not "soul" sacrifices Everything that dies in the lands between, remains somehow, be it as a spirit, a vengeful spirit, an undying corpse, living jars, or even worse fates, such as graven masses, those who live in death, mausoleum knights, etc This theory does conflict with the dung eater's questline. Cause if none can return to the erdtree, what does his mending rune even do? I actually think his ending only makes it so those that die become vengeful spirits, instead of any of the other alternatives of "immortality". But they still remain within the world. After all, in all the "mending rune" endings, the rune of death is never put back into the elden ring, or removes Marika's pooling arc that prevents souls from leaving this world either. (For those that don't know, the elden ring has 2 pooling arcs, one at the top, and one at the bottom. According to the rune arc description, its the basin in which its blessings pool. For context, this "basin" is missing from the ancient dragon's elden ring. And "blessings" are referred to life giving amber, common in the age of plenty, and associated with life. Essentially "holding" life within this world, even if they shouldn't. The fact that the rune of death, is the inverted basin, from which life doesn't pool, but drip, is a clear representation of life truly "leaving" this world) All "undead" froms of living, started appearing AFTER the rune of death was sealed. Meaning the world of elden ring has an "afterlife", like stated from the twinbirds lore, however the gate has been shut tight, and they are living with their consequences.
Roderika does say that spirit in the Golden Order exists under the form of "immortal essence". Marika essentially, in what I view an infantile act, wanted to tut the world in a static state, maybe out of past loss or some desire for perpetuality (stupid wish) and in doing so she "stretched life", like with Bilbo in LOTR, "too little butter on a too large slice of bread". Or akin to the ring wraiths, their lives were stretched and the concept of life was defiled. Those "pooling arcs" you mentioned, like the resin basing arcs in Leyndell, I think, were her way to altering the metaphysics of the ER so that life goes "upward" and never "downwards", resulting in this "immortal essence" Roderika mentioned and your comment of everything being trapped in the living world, with the afterlife being bared to all. With her act, Marika removed ambition from the world as well as dynamism and the capacity to evolve and adapt (births). Ironic coming from someone who is seem as wanting to promote "ambition" and viewing only those capable of expressing their ambition above that of others as the only worthy ones. To substitute the absence of death she created the erdtree burial ritual, overwriting the natural process of death, but those still alive, I think, needed the blessings from the Erdtree to continue living in a functional manner. This is a dependency system, it's evil. That and I think she was screwed by the Elden Beast by having a premature ending to her age of plenty. She was force to resort to fundamentalism in order to gain a tool to promote faith in her system/institution but also her way to better understand the Elden Ring, how it functioned as a system, maybe to know how to break it in an efficient manner, aka the shattering.
Isn’t this black golden color from the wraiths the same flame color used by the dung eater and the omens? It would kinda make sense I guess as they’re also related to curses
Yup. Omens have nightmares likely influenced by the cursed souls they shoot out. Horns can be viewed as conduits for those souls (and the Crucible) which is why the royal ones have many horns and are more powerful.
these guys, I feel, have a great many similarities with the Undying Ones of ASOIAF. In the books, they appear as withered corpses, frozen in chairs within a labyrinth mansion, and their skin is the dark blueish-purplish colour of bruises due to their magical connection to a disembodied blue heart, and a grove of trees with black wood and blue leaves and sap, from which warlocks make a potion called Shade of the Evening. This potion has a psychedelic effect that allows the drinker to better perceive the world around them, and ultimately have prophetic visions. Reminiscent of the blue flask of Sacred Tears that restores our FP, which is used for sorcery. But anyway, the thematic similarities between the Undying Ones and the Revenants and Wraith Callers goes a bit into ASOIAF lore theorizing, but essentially, when they're encountered in the books, they're begging to be granted death to free them from their tormented immortality, which they depict in a vision as coming from the burning of the icy blue disembodied heart. This heart symbolizes the Heart of Winter, which is the dark secret behind the Weirwood heart trees- that is, that the Undying Ones are mere avatars for their true selves, which have been crucified to the heart trees in the Heart of Winter for thousands of years, forced to power the "Weirwood net" after it was invaded by a man who wanted its power for himself. That's like.. a whole other thing that's HEAVILY reflected in Elden Ring lore, but to try and keep this contained to the Wraith Callers and Revenants, they're also distinctly associated with the Others of ASOIAF. The Others are icy humanoids who are either more avatars of the Undying Ones, or are avatars of the beings that the Undying Ones were forced to replace, and they're known to sometimes ride undead corpse horses. What I think all this symbolism is getting at, is that the Wraith Callers and Revenants are the remnants of a previous Order that the Erdtree's dominance completely shut down, cutting them off from their natural cycle of life and death. Perhaps it has to do with the Helphen, as it's implied to be a jet black tree that acts much like the Erdtree, but in the spirit world, which now seems to have been cut off from the Lands Between. Their cursed golden energy is shared by Omen, and the Sword of Milos which Dung Eater wields, suggesting that their curse is total exclusion from the Erdtree. They may well have been allies of the GEQ, or with whatever the Nox had going on before they were banished underground. And considering their presence on the Moonlight Plateau, and similarity to the appearance of Ranni's mentor, they could in fact be the "Moonfolk" associated with the Nox, the Carians, and the Albinaurics. Ranni's Two Fingers are also blue-skinned, after all.
i think you are onto semething here, they might be vengefull spirits of a people that were eliminated for oposing the golden order, if the wraithcallers & revenants are the remains of a fourarmed blueskinned people with spiritual unaligned with the erdtree it could be, This could make the snowy crone (Rannis mentor) of their kind since the doll is based on her mentors appearance. Hope we get to know more about these creaps in dlc, i love their designs as much as i hate fighting them
The revenants looking like coupled together reminds me a bit of the roots inside the burial grounds. When Godwyns corruption of the Erdtree started, It's likely that it affected the roots first, maybe reviving some of the already buried people that began to merge with the roots. Because the Elden Ring was still in place, the people kept some form of blessing, but the curse of the undead tainted it. When Marika shattered the Elden Ring, the blessing Erdtree stopped, and what remained was the curse of the undead.
One connection that didn't get touched on in this video is the wraithcallers' implied connection to Ranni, which would track if they/the Revs are cursed undead Carian nobles or rulers. We know that Ranni's doll form is based on her teacher the snow witch, who conspicuously has four arms, same as the Wraithcallers. It's hard to say whether this is a reference to them, or to the fact that all the sorcerer-made marionettes ALSO have four arms, but. I think it's quite telling that these two categories of creatures are the only noteworthy things to have four arms, and their shared connection to Liurnia doesn't feel like a coincidence.
My theory is that those things are actually related to massacres, possibly involving innocent people, like civilians. My reason for this it's that the revenants seem to appear in places where an incredible amount of people died, for example, the city in the lake of Liurnia, the Sewers of Leyndell also have an enormous amount of corpses, the Frenzied village and the Shaded Castle. Maybe the civilians that were slaughtered in those places turned into vengeful spirit, drawing the Wraith callers, and maybe even turning into the Royal revenants. It's possible that some sorceres may have learned how to control thoses things or a least how to summon them as to be used as guardians in special places, like Selia hidden cave or the ruins where we get the the frozen needle. This could also be true for the Haligtree. On a related note, there's a really weird enemy pairing in the little tunnel that leads to the evergaol of Godefroy, where you can find two wraith callers and two vulgar militia ready to ambush you. I wonder if it means something or is just a mistake or just a weird random reuse of these enemies.
Coming in a month later. But I think you missed a key component: Omen are also able to harness the power of cursed spirits, and their sleep is troubled by nightmares caused by those spirits. There is no definitive answer about the Revenants, but they seem to be a type of beings that are cursed by those cursed spirits. As for why, that's unclear. Also, it's clear that everlasting life predates the Shattering.
The revenant in the haligtree killed me so much, I ran into the room at the other side because it couldn’t go inside the room, I spammed an attack and could hit him but he could hit me. Then, he teleported underground and into the room. I was like “clever girl”
This is absolutely the strongest enemy. They had my number and I would try to brave their attack to no avail. I quickly learned to mount and make tracks, lol.
These guys are directly related to morgott, the omens, and dung eater's curse, it's the exact same visual effect and they all have holy resistance. No idea where it comes from but given Sword of Milos, it might be related to the "fell god" the giant's worshipped. The omens get the "Fell omen" name and the mending rune dung eater makes is called the "fell rune" It's not much, but there's not much to work with.
The wraiths that the Omen summon are identical to the ones called by the Wraith Callers. Just throwing something out, maybe Wraith Callers came to fill the role in society that Omen used to back during the Crucible. All of that being prior to them being warped by the Shattering.
Zio. The developers once said something about the DLC being like Bloodborne- the reason it was taking so long but going well- I can’t remember the exact quote. But it got me thinking. I’ve seen many takes on where and when the DLC will be accessed- but that quote about Bloodborne- I couldn’t get it out of my head Rogier is killed by Godwyn when stabbed with deathblight (not immediately but it does happen). Wondering if like the Amygdala’s in Bloodborne taking us away- Godwyn will too from under Stormviel castle. Just a thought.. Imagine if we had to work our way out of Stormveil in a different time with a different ruler…coming out of stormveil to the bridge to liurnia not broken….
I remembered when I almost died trying to heal and it damaged the revenants. I was like oh hell yeah and started having a healing incantation just for them
I never thought the revenants could be what the noblemen turn into, kinda like a metamorphosis. Maybe this is what happens to all those who can't die in the lands between, which makes sense considering the name.
8:05 "the revenants have a very strong holy resistance." What am I missing here? Even Zio mentioned the holy healing incantations, and how devastating they are to the revenants, health, and stagger-wise. ????
When I first encountered one I thaught they was linked to Godrick, I guess they're not now that I know more of the lore, but it's funny to think Godrick tried to get stronger by adding limbs, and these things have so many limbs and they so strong 😂
My theory is that this is the attempt of normal humans to gain the divinity associated with the misbegotten. Now that I think about it, grafting is awfully similar to what misbegotten naturally are. Maybe this attempt to steal life force from others by grafting body parts, opposed to letting it return to the Erdtree cursed them. Much like ‘god’ in our world, the Old Testament version was all about curses and hellfire. Maybe this is a cursed power achieved against the greater will’s….will lol
They might have been people who were in charge of feeding the minor trees and death root got to them or they suffered a blowback and were cursed when the ring shattered
Is it not fairly clear that the wraiths are related to the dung eaters curse? They are referred to as wraiths in both descriptions. What if the dung eater defiled the noble’s corpses and now their vengeful souls are summoned as wraiths by the wraith callers? That is why they are found together.
I hadn't thought about how they were mostly in liurnia and Carian lands 😮 do you think any of this curse is from Radagon's war march through liurnia and possible regression of the effects of the pardon from celestial dew since the shattering?
Perhaps the revenants are a branch of nobles that experimented with death magic in hopes they would truly die, although it didn’t work and now they are cursed.
ah yes i got killed by this thing twice the first time, and i took that personally, more specifically, i took it as a boss/challenge, so i learned all their attacks and probability of combos, so i can stun lock him instead. when there is 2 however, your only chance is run.
My fave enemy I never use heal to kill.... unfortunately Im wondering if their hp got nerfed. Last time I played I killed like 3 before they even moved
I remember years ago (a comment on my own video of you helped me remember) I spewed some hate on you. My bad man, it was petty and I was in a bad place. Good to see you're still grinding :) take care my man,.
I've played many Soulsgames and these guys are both some of the most terrifying and difficult to manage (if you don't use healing/holy magic). Trying to fight these guys straight up is such a pain in my --
Hey Zio, first video I’ve ever watched of yours. I had a question, why do you think the shattering is what grants everlasting life and not the sealing away of the rune of destined death?
"Player gets ambushed buy a bunch of wraith callers" how do you even get ambushed in the first place? You have you Sparrow(your faster then walking system) so unless your just and idiot your gonna hold left stick past any threat.
In Bloodborne, hunters who sucumb to bloodlust and blind hyper-aggression go to the Hunter's Nightmare to hunt forever in a twisted version of the city of Yharnam. Overrun by brutality, running with a river of blood to mark their loss of humanity, compassion, and sense of reason. Starting as doctors, and becoming no more than the butchers of corpses. A fate worse than death and an dishonorable state worthy of scorn. Be very careful that you don't become that. You're acting like that's your path, and it's a terribly ugly shadow. Some people go the way of frenzy, some go the way of blood... Some of the dead may become vengeful spirits fueled by hate and spite. And some don't do any of that. Some find a way not to fall to any of those failings and find peace and serenity, breaking the cycle of suffering.
Hello zio have a question here about deathbound Its about the setting of the game Is it a european style setting or something different because ah cant tell Can you please tell what kind of setting you think it is
Even with an Incantation build, I rely on using charged attacks on them. Attacking them in their side means they always miss, only needing to back up before the swipe.
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If there's any way to get ahold of you I would very much like to have a lore discussion about Melina. I have some pretty interesting theories regarding her and the gloam eyed queen. If nothing else it might be interesting for you and your colleagues to chew on. I watched quite a few of these lore channels and all of you guys have given me Amazing Ideas. Keep up the good work I love your content
This "alright what's going on guys" was particularly "I am fully aware my subscribers like my intro so i'm going to say it in the most provocatively manly way possible"
The signature Ziostorm experience. Nearly as iconic as the Gwyn's theme.
If he stops doing it I'll unsub.
I dunno, it has that "Let me put as much bass in my voice as possible so this waitress thinks I'm more of a man than I actually am" energy. 😂
That and the : that pretty much gonna do it ...
S Tier meat riding my man. Great work. Keep it up.
They’re the ultimate panic-bait enemy. That rush attack and their horrific appearance work together to get you to spam backward roll, which will guarantee you get stunlocked and rekt. There are plenty of ways to beat them but they all revolve around staying calm and properly dodging despite being genuinely startled and unsettled
100%. I learned that attacking them sideways, between their arms, is the most effective way to no hit them. They are so oblivious that miss nearly every attack, that's why they use a swipe or two.
They're like cars. They approach you fast but once you hit them from the side, the family's gone 🙂↔️
@@dice5709that’s an insanely funny way of putting it, props to you for making me giggle through my Red Bull 😂😂
nah i disagree. Its a fundamentally unfair enemy because it can exit and re-enter your field of view quick enough to make genuine reaction impossible. It doesnt "bait" you to panic, it effectively gives you no choice but to.
@@dice5709 Great but cruel comparison, lmao. It's true that you can consistently punish them and avoid their attacks when attacking on their side.
I’ve got some strange theory that the wraiths attack you when you approach the nobles in chairs because they represent their bodies in life and they still feel tied to them. In Japan, curses are often tied to hatred and a feeling of not wishing to move on (forced to pass)
Healing is a life-giving, positive act and that may be why is negatively impacts beings ruled by anger and death. Their erratic aggressive nature also supports this I guess.
I always assumed it harmed them because they were grafted, so like the individual limbs try to heal and break apart the monster
The immortality came from Marika sealing the rune of death. People became unable to die naturally and they just aged until their brains rotted. Some of the nobleman and peasent gear references the whole unending life driving them mad as well and is why they look and act like shriveled zombies.
I don't think the nobleman are as mad as we think. They actively hire Kaiden mercenaries as protection and go on expeditions across the lands between searching for valuable commodities. There are a lot of enemies that are clearly "hollow" but still have their wits about them. Despite what the item descriptions say.
@@qr5393 No, they're mad. Godrick or his soldiers hire the Kaidens. Though, you could say that there is still some sense of intelligence left as there are some wandering nobles who seem to be "lookouts" or "leaders". Maybe Godrick or his goons just told certain wandering nobles to do what they do, and that's that. WHO KNOWS! DUN DUN DUNNNNN!!!
@@jasN86 From what I can tell, they aren't mad. The Nobles still show fear when they have no weapon and are attacked. Heck they even show fear towards dragons even if they're armed. But I wouldn't call them sane either. My best bet is due to their long-lived lives, they all suffer from dementia. It even states in their Spirit Ashes that 'they were in search of something, but whatever it was, has long since been forgotten.'
I think that the nobles lacked death the moment Marika took out the death rune, not when the shattering occurred.
2 years playing Elden Ring almost EXCLUSIVELY (I have hardly playing any other game since ER launch), I have like 100+ finished runs, platinum, 1 NG+7 character, all the weapons, armor, ashes, spells, like 2000 hours played or so, including the mandatory all bosses/invasions/unique mobs run and I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT AMBUSH!!!!!!!!!! Wow, best $60 ever. It never ends giving.
The revenants in the haligtree killed me so many times. Hit like a truck and no room to maneuver.
Invest in fp and fth to use any healing incant, easiest way to beat them horrors, or use mimic to aid you
I've had the idea that revenants are the souls of people who were grafted, their spirits grafted into one raging being just as their bodies were. The curse of Grafting. Perhaps if a body holding a twig is grafted it can make the base for a revenant instead of becoming a wraith.
Small tip for the revenants. Attack. Be! Aggressive! Be, Be, Aggressive! The whole time they're coming out of the ground is just free hits. Roll towards them at angles, don't run away on foot if you want to live.
Or just use heal spells and crit them lol
I guess some people struggle to do anything other than roll backwards, but yeah: being aggressive and holding their side is the way to go.
when you use zweihander nothing will stop you
They also appear en masse in the moonfolk ruins on the moonlight altar, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was what their people were called. It also lends credence to the theory that the Snowy Crone was one of these moonfolk due to Ranni's four arms and blue skin.
Great observation, I just commented something similar but the addition of the appearance of Renna/Snowy Crone was awesome.
The calid bird scares me.
Doubt youll see this zio. But personally i think wraiths and revanants are those who were cursed by godwynes deathblight and died. This would explain why the eclipse shotel seemingly uses wraiths as its "Flame " along with why a revanant is in the haligtree.
Further more this might also explain why healing spells hurt them. Because, their forever cursed with a deathly blight and attempting healing only causes the blight to act up
The vengeful spirits are those of cursed Omens and they’re vengeful towards the nobles because of the way the nobles viewed and treated the Omen. The revenants you mentioned as somewhat out of place in the shunning ground and haligtree are near Omens and seedbed curses. The wraith callers that appear near the dead nobles are not trying to summon them, they are attempting to summon the vengeful spirits that they persecuted.
At least that’s always been my interpretation.
Skipped the most important part of the Caria/Wraithcaller connection: Ranni's doll body.
On my way to the Goldenlineage Evergoal i found 2 Vulgar militia men and a wraith caller guarding the tunnel leading to Godefroy the grafted. I cant recall EVER seeing these two enemy types together, coincidence?
Ngl I actually like revenants now. I understand how to fight them now and it’s kinda fun ngl
ranni's tutor, the snow witch is also related to callers, they seem to be the same species
Still over here wondering why there is ghostflame under stormveil. I THINK it's the only place in the game where you can find ghostflame without it being underground in a catacombs or one of the Nox citites. Makes me wonder what they did down there before our golden fishy boy photobombed his way in. I doubt they added sconces of ghostflame just for him since the only enemies are the giant beef noodle and some rats plus there was no attempt to tidy up the broken arches or statues leading there. Maybe deathbird worship or something
Love the bite sized lore videos. Can't wait for the flood of new content in the coming months!
One important detail is that the powers of the Wraithcallers and Revenants are basically identical to the spirits which haunt the Omen.
Certain lore theory channels (in particular SmoughTown and Tarnished Archeologist) have brought forth the idea that Omen are born under the influence of the Crucible, which still lingers inside the Erdtree. However, because of this, they are disconnected from the cycle of rebirth which is channeled by the Erdtree, and as such the souls of dead Omen have no choice but to haunt living Omen, thus being the source of their nightmares. Omen who retain their horns, which are marks of the Crucible's influence, are attuned enough with the spirits dwelling within them that they can rouse them to attack their enemies.
If similar VFXs are meant to draw a connection between the Omen and the Revenants, it could be that the latter are cursed souls who have somehow found a way to incarnate rather than haunt their living siblings, especially given their ability to appear from seemingly nowhere, which is clearly supernatural.
Alternatively, they could just be normal humans who have taken to worshipping these vengeful spirits and have been imbued with their powers, having their bodies twisted in the process. Liurnia has always harbored a rivalry against the Erdtree, so maybe this one cult sought to harness the power of spirits who were themselves enemies of the Erdtree, only to be overwhelmed by them and warped into horrid abominations. This would also explain the presence of so many Revenants in the Haligtree: they infiltrated it because the Haligtree was Miquella's attempt at creating a new Erdtree, which they perhaps perceived as equally repugnant.
These guys made every area they were in an absolute nightmare. Words can't express how happy I was when I found out the healing thing.
I'm preeeeeeetty sure, immortality was caused for plucking the run of death out of the elden ring. Not the shattering.
It's pretty much the entire point of the game, to unleash true death in the world once again. As Melina puts it "this world is in need of indiscriminate death".
One important clue to this, is the fact that one: Erdtree burial is a sham. The "corpses" are CLEARLY still there, in the roots, no different from the still alive, but motionless bodies from which we loot items in the game. Not to mention, despite them having "been returned to the erdtree", you clearly get the spirit ashes from them. Meaning the spirit simply rested there, but never ACTUALLY returned to the roots. It's 100% a pure unsustantiated belief of the residents of that world.
And two: The accursed omen use the same colored "vengeful spirits". Who are said to have been cursed souls, unable to return to the erdtree. But remember, NO soul can return to the erdtree. Even rememberances, are stuck with the player, not in the erdtree, the same as Mohg's and Morgott's rememberances, they are all the same.
Only the living jars sacrifice, and miquella's blood were seen to have an effect on feeding erdtrees. All of which are "live" sacrifices, not "soul" sacrifices
Everything that dies in the lands between, remains somehow, be it as a spirit, a vengeful spirit, an undying corpse, living jars, or even worse fates, such as graven masses, those who live in death, mausoleum knights, etc
This theory does conflict with the dung eater's questline. Cause if none can return to the erdtree, what does his mending rune even do? I actually think his ending only makes it so those that die become vengeful spirits, instead of any of the other alternatives of "immortality". But they still remain within the world. After all, in all the "mending rune" endings, the rune of death is never put back into the elden ring, or removes Marika's pooling arc that prevents souls from leaving this world either.
(For those that don't know, the elden ring has 2 pooling arcs, one at the top, and one at the bottom. According to the rune arc description, its the basin in which its blessings pool. For context, this "basin" is missing from the ancient dragon's elden ring. And "blessings" are referred to life giving amber, common in the age of plenty, and associated with life. Essentially "holding" life within this world, even if they shouldn't. The fact that the rune of death, is the inverted basin, from which life doesn't pool, but drip, is a clear representation of life truly "leaving" this world)
All "undead" froms of living, started appearing AFTER the rune of death was sealed. Meaning the world of elden ring has an "afterlife", like stated from the twinbirds lore, however the gate has been shut tight, and they are living with their consequences.
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Roderika does say that spirit in the Golden Order exists under the form of "immortal essence". Marika essentially, in what I view an infantile act, wanted to tut the world in a static state, maybe out of past loss or some desire for perpetuality (stupid wish) and in doing so she "stretched life", like with Bilbo in LOTR, "too little butter on a too large slice of bread". Or akin to the ring wraiths, their lives were stretched and the concept of life was defiled. Those "pooling arcs" you mentioned, like the resin basing arcs in Leyndell, I think, were her way to altering the metaphysics of the ER so that life goes "upward" and never "downwards", resulting in this "immortal essence" Roderika mentioned and your comment of everything being trapped in the living world, with the afterlife being bared to all.
With her act, Marika removed ambition from the world as well as dynamism and the capacity to evolve and adapt (births). Ironic coming from someone who is seem as wanting to promote "ambition" and viewing only those capable of expressing their ambition above that of others as the only worthy ones.
To substitute the absence of death she created the erdtree burial ritual, overwriting the natural process of death, but those still alive, I think, needed the blessings from the Erdtree to continue living in a functional manner. This is a dependency system, it's evil. That and I think she was screwed by the Elden Beast by having a premature ending to her age of plenty. She was force to resort to fundamentalism in order to gain a tool to promote faith in her system/institution but also her way to better understand the Elden Ring, how it functioned as a system, maybe to know how to break it in an efficient manner, aka the shattering.
Isn’t this black golden color from the wraiths the same flame color used by the dung eater and the omens? It would kinda make sense I guess as they’re also related to curses
Probably cursed by something similar to Omen Curse & Seedbed Curse, which both had their roots from Erdtree/Crucible, hence the golden hue.
Yup. Omens have nightmares likely influenced by the cursed souls they shoot out. Horns can be viewed as conduits for those souls (and the Crucible) which is why the royal ones have many horns and are more powerful.
these guys, I feel, have a great many similarities with the Undying Ones of ASOIAF. In the books, they appear as withered corpses, frozen in chairs within a labyrinth mansion, and their skin is the dark blueish-purplish colour of bruises due to their magical connection to a disembodied blue heart, and a grove of trees with black wood and blue leaves and sap, from which warlocks make a potion called Shade of the Evening. This potion has a psychedelic effect that allows the drinker to better perceive the world around them, and ultimately have prophetic visions. Reminiscent of the blue flask of Sacred Tears that restores our FP, which is used for sorcery. But anyway, the thematic similarities between the Undying Ones and the Revenants and Wraith Callers goes a bit into ASOIAF lore theorizing, but essentially, when they're encountered in the books, they're begging to be granted death to free them from their tormented immortality, which they depict in a vision as coming from the burning of the icy blue disembodied heart. This heart symbolizes the Heart of Winter, which is the dark secret behind the Weirwood heart trees- that is, that the Undying Ones are mere avatars for their true selves, which have been crucified to the heart trees in the Heart of Winter for thousands of years, forced to power the "Weirwood net" after it was invaded by a man who wanted its power for himself. That's like.. a whole other thing that's HEAVILY reflected in Elden Ring lore, but to try and keep this contained to the Wraith Callers and Revenants, they're also distinctly associated with the Others of ASOIAF. The Others are icy humanoids who are either more avatars of the Undying Ones, or are avatars of the beings that the Undying Ones were forced to replace, and they're known to sometimes ride undead corpse horses.
What I think all this symbolism is getting at, is that the Wraith Callers and Revenants are the remnants of a previous Order that the Erdtree's dominance completely shut down, cutting them off from their natural cycle of life and death. Perhaps it has to do with the Helphen, as it's implied to be a jet black tree that acts much like the Erdtree, but in the spirit world, which now seems to have been cut off from the Lands Between. Their cursed golden energy is shared by Omen, and the Sword of Milos which Dung Eater wields, suggesting that their curse is total exclusion from the Erdtree. They may well have been allies of the GEQ, or with whatever the Nox had going on before they were banished underground. And considering their presence on the Moonlight Plateau, and similarity to the appearance of Ranni's mentor, they could in fact be the "Moonfolk" associated with the Nox, the Carians, and the Albinaurics. Ranni's Two Fingers are also blue-skinned, after all.
I'm hoping the DLC drops some lore about some of these things that aren't covered much in the main game.
i always thought they were test subjects for grafting
since well they were found after godrick the grafted in liurnia and thier body is a mess
Zullie did a video on them and found that their extra limbs are actually grown from their bodies, not grafted
Almost, what you are talking about is actually the Grafted Scion.
i think you are onto semething here, they might be vengefull spirits of a people that were eliminated for oposing the golden order,
if the wraithcallers & revenants are the remains of a fourarmed blueskinned people with spiritual unaligned with the erdtree it could be,
This could make the snowy crone (Rannis mentor) of their kind since the doll is based on her mentors appearance.
Hope we get to know more about these creaps in dlc, i love their designs as much as i hate fighting them
The revenants looking like coupled together reminds me a bit of the roots inside the burial grounds.
When Godwyns corruption of the Erdtree started, It's likely that it affected the roots first, maybe reviving some of the already buried people that began to merge with the roots. Because the Elden Ring was still in place, the people kept some form of blessing, but the curse of the undead tainted it.
When Marika shattered the Elden Ring, the blessing Erdtree stopped, and what remained was the curse of the undead.
One connection that didn't get touched on in this video is the wraithcallers' implied connection to Ranni, which would track if they/the Revs are cursed undead Carian nobles or rulers. We know that Ranni's doll form is based on her teacher the snow witch, who conspicuously has four arms, same as the Wraithcallers. It's hard to say whether this is a reference to them, or to the fact that all the sorcerer-made marionettes ALSO have four arms, but. I think it's quite telling that these two categories of creatures are the only noteworthy things to have four arms, and their shared connection to Liurnia doesn't feel like a coincidence.
My theory is that those things are actually related to massacres, possibly involving innocent people, like civilians. My reason for this it's that the revenants seem to appear in places where an incredible amount of people died, for example, the city in the lake of Liurnia, the Sewers of Leyndell also have an enormous amount of corpses, the Frenzied village and the Shaded Castle. Maybe the civilians that were slaughtered in those places turned into vengeful spirit, drawing the Wraith callers, and maybe even turning into the Royal revenants. It's possible that some sorceres may have learned how to control thoses things or a least how to summon them as to be used as guardians in special places, like Selia hidden cave or the ruins where we get the the frozen needle. This could also be true for the Haligtree.
On a related note, there's a really weird enemy pairing in the little tunnel that leads to the evergaol of Godefroy, where you can find two wraith callers and two vulgar militia ready to ambush you. I wonder if it means something or is just a mistake or just a weird random reuse of these enemies.
Theyll kill me once when i dont know theyre there. BUT i always get the last laugh with heal
Coming in a month later. But I think you missed a key component: Omen are also able to harness the power of cursed spirits, and their sleep is troubled by nightmares caused by those spirits.
There is no definitive answer about the Revenants, but they seem to be a type of beings that are cursed by those cursed spirits. As for why, that's unclear.
Also, it's clear that everlasting life predates the Shattering.
Hey mate good vid as usual. What are the odds of a sea monster type boss in the DLC?
The revenant in the haligtree killed me so much, I ran into the room at the other side because it couldn’t go inside the room, I spammed an attack and could hit him but he could hit me. Then, he teleported underground and into the room. I was like “clever girl”
This is absolutely the strongest enemy. They had my number and I would try to brave their attack to no avail. I quickly learned to mount and make tracks, lol.
These guys are directly related to morgott, the omens, and dung eater's curse, it's the exact same visual effect and they all have holy resistance.
No idea where it comes from but given Sword of Milos, it might be related to the "fell god" the giant's worshipped. The omens get the "Fell omen" name and the mending rune dung eater makes is called the "fell rune"
It's not much, but there's not much to work with.
The wraiths that the Omen summon are identical to the ones called by the Wraith Callers. Just throwing something out, maybe Wraith Callers came to fill the role in society that Omen used to back during the Crucible. All of that being prior to them being warped by the Shattering.
Zio. The developers once said something about the DLC being like Bloodborne- the reason it was taking so long but going well- I can’t remember the exact quote. But it got me thinking.
I’ve seen many takes on where and when the DLC will be accessed- but that quote about Bloodborne- I couldn’t get it out of my head
Rogier is killed by Godwyn when stabbed with deathblight (not immediately but it does happen). Wondering if like the Amygdala’s in Bloodborne taking us away- Godwyn will too from under Stormviel castle.
Just a thought..
Imagine if we had to work our way out of Stormveil in a different time with a different ruler…coming out of stormveil to the bridge to liurnia not broken….
It's called the land between because the very curse has cursed them to live between life and death itself. Because of the shattering.
I remembered when I almost died trying to heal and it damaged the revenants. I was like oh hell yeah and started having a healing incantation just for them
I never thought the revenants could be what the noblemen turn into, kinda like a metamorphosis. Maybe this is what happens to all those who can't die in the lands between, which makes sense considering the name.
Loving the metroid prime 2 tracks you are using in the videos
8:05 "the revenants have a very strong holy resistance." What am I missing here? Even Zio mentioned the holy healing incantations, and how devastating they are to the revenants, health, and stagger-wise. ????
When I first encountered one I thaught they was linked to Godrick, I guess they're not now that I know more of the lore, but it's funny to think Godrick tried to get stronger by adding limbs, and these things have so many limbs and they so strong 😂
lotta wraithcallers and on revenant in shaded castle as well, theres gotta be more to that place than we know
My theory is that this is the attempt of normal humans to gain the divinity associated with the misbegotten. Now that I think about it, grafting is awfully similar to what misbegotten naturally are. Maybe this attempt to steal life force from others by grafting body parts, opposed to letting it return to the Erdtree cursed them. Much like ‘god’ in our world, the Old Testament version was all about curses and hellfire. Maybe this is a cursed power achieved against the greater will’s….will lol
elden ring lore videos dont hit the same when narrator doesnt have an english or irish accent
We do find the revenants around water and crystalline structures I don’t know if that means anything or is coincidence
They might have been people who were in charge of feeding the minor trees and death root got to them or they suffered a blowback and were cursed when the ring shattered
2:36 Papyrus
I thought they were basically immortal when Marika sealed death away, and after the shattering it all went wonky
It is like a centaur but without horse torso
I like this series! Thanks!
Is it not fairly clear that the wraiths are related to the dung eaters curse? They are referred to as wraiths in both descriptions. What if the dung eater defiled the noble’s corpses and now their vengeful souls are summoned as wraiths by the wraith callers? That is why they are found together.
Honestly, I'm happy the revenants are having a rough time
The Shaded Castle has a bunch too.
I hadn't thought about how they were mostly in liurnia and Carian lands 😮 do you think any of this curse is from Radagon's war march through liurnia and possible regression of the effects of the pardon from celestial dew since the shattering?
FromSoftware makes some of the most grotesque, but unique creatures in gaming. Their imagination is second to none.
The “darker side of the Erd Tree” you say…don’t you mean the “shadow of the Erd Tree”? 😂
Perhaps the revenants are a branch of nobles that experimented with death magic in hopes they would truly die, although it didn’t work and now they are cursed.
Revenants are literally the 1 enemy i couldn't stand. They were so hard i hated them. I died to rev enemies more than any actual boss in Elden Ring!
ah yes i got killed by this thing twice the first time, and i took that personally, more specifically, i took it as a boss/challenge, so i learned all their attacks and probability of combos, so i can stun lock him instead. when there is 2 however, your only chance is run.
5:02 you can see through the erdtree is there a potential lore reason for this?
I tried to get away from one of these by standing on top of a wall. It teleported up on the wall with me lol. They are relentless lol.
Those things are a nightmare at low level
This is one of the biggest “oh shit” enemies in Elden Ring
I've lost many runes to thesr abomination's!! They're terrifying enemies for sure.
Isn't Morgott's and other Omen's have this black-orange projectile and aura on their weapons? Could there be a connection?
I admit I haven't seen all your content but I must say waiting for the DLC your ability to still think of ER videos to make is absurd congrats lol
My fave enemy I never use heal to kill.... unfortunately Im wondering if their hp got nerfed. Last time I played I killed like 3 before they even moved
Revenants at the Haligtree are probably tied to Loretta
Miazaki asks his team what an enemy version of a poison swamp would look like... someone show's hims this design. It was so on-point, Miazaki wept.
4 arms like the Ranni doll, and wooden mannequins. Maybe an older race of four-armed people?
I remember years ago (a comment on my own video of you helped me remember) I spewed some hate on you. My bad man, it was petty and I was in a bad place. Good to see you're still grinding :) take care my man,.
Cannot tell you the pure and utter fear of encountering, one of these for the first time
They look grafted, or maybe are the original practice the later led to grafting.
I wonder if they are in any way tied to magic, due to them being found in Liurnua
I love that the game literally tells you how to kill these mofos.
The great heal breaking them is so satisfying
there's a funky edit right around the 6:10 mark. I think your sentence got cut off
Wielding golden shadows, they wait beyond time for a moment in which they can defeat a hero of no known name. Elden ring dlc 2 the land beyond time
I've played many Soulsgames and these guys are both some of the most terrifying and difficult to manage (if you don't use healing/holy magic). Trying to fight these guys straight up is such a pain in my --
I'm just happy to know that I'm not the only one getting rekt by these enemies! >_
I can only say I'd prefer fighting Malenia again instead of passing trhought that part in the Haligtree full of Revenants
Hey Zio, first video I’ve ever watched of yours. I had a question, why do you think the shattering is what grants everlasting life and not the sealing away of the rune of destined death?
Also the yellow cursed spirits are the same as those of the Omen.
Simple mistake on my end
@@Ziostorm all good, man. I came from a Smoughtown video where he credited you as a source. You have some really cool content! I subscribed!
"Player gets ambushed buy a bunch of wraith callers"
how do you even get ambushed in the first place? You have you Sparrow(your faster then walking system) so unless your just and idiot your gonna hold left stick past any threat.
In Bloodborne, hunters who sucumb to bloodlust and blind hyper-aggression go to the Hunter's Nightmare to hunt forever in a twisted version of the city of Yharnam. Overrun by brutality, running with a river of blood to mark their loss of humanity, compassion, and sense of reason. Starting as doctors, and becoming no more than the butchers of corpses. A fate worse than death and an dishonorable state worthy of scorn.
Be very careful that you don't become that. You're acting like that's your path, and it's a terribly ugly shadow. Some people go the way of frenzy, some go the way of blood... Some of the dead may become vengeful spirits fueled by hate and spite. And some don't do any of that. Some find a way not to fall to any of those failings and find peace and serenity, breaking the cycle of suffering.
This enemy always gives me butt clenching anxiety
Revenants confirmed in dlc
Now do we think this is like an add on or whole new game for elden ring, anyone know
Yall got any of them dlc?
Hello zio have a question here about deathbound
Its about the setting of the game
Is it a european style setting or something different because ah cant tell
Can you please tell what kind of setting you think it is
Hyper aggresive, vomiting poison, teleports around, deals huge damage, moves around too much and multi hit attacks.
Hated them. Until as a faith user I found out you could pray them to death.
Even with an Incantation build, I rely on using charged attacks on them. Attacking them in their side means they always miss, only needing to back up before the swipe.
What armor set is that?
Bro 10% of the video is an ad 😢
"strongest enemy in elden ring"
-gets punked by great heal
Lore videos are the best.
I am here to stop the four year olds from commenting "First"
I hate them as much as I hate the advertising people jam into RUclips videos.