Zack Snyder Blames Audience For Not Understanding His DC Movies
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Zachary Edward "Zack" Snyder (born March 1, 1966) is an American film director, producer, and screenwriter.
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Zac Synder doesn't understand any of the characters in the DC universe, he doesn't understand super heroes in general. Hes a bozo.
The movies were very easy to understand. The biggest issue with them is how much he tried to hammer in the "Deep" concepts instead of getting to the point. The guy is a genius when it comes to visuals. But its very telling when you have to release extended cuts because you can't tell a concise and well paced story.
Yeah, this is very much like people talking about how dense Eternals or Dune were. They weren't, the movies are very easy to understand. Personally, I wasn't super fond of either. Dune is the better of the two to me for example but it suffers greatly by being an incomplete story (at least I hope!). I've seen the trailer for Dune 2 and not sure part 2 will make it a lot better. Right now, I think it'll end up being decent but nothing amazing outside the visuals. People hyped up that movie a LOT and according to what I've read/seen, the movie is pretty faithful to the book but if that's the case, the book doesn't seem that amazing. :)
Dune, for example, is theoretically right up my alley (I love diving into a new world like the Expanse, Stargate SG-1, Babylon 5, Star Trek, Star Wars, etc) but I didn't feel that connected to the characters by the end of part 1. The best character was the leader of House Atreides and he's dead. The 2nd best character was Jason Momoa - also dead. Paul Atreides was way down the list for me as interesting characters go. This is not to knock Timothee Chalamet as I thought his acting was great (as it often is) but I still didn't feel sold on Paul Atreides as a character. I kept waiting for something to happen - it felt like a lot of preamble. Hopefully, part 2 feels like a bit more of a climax/resolution.
I do wonder if it's an "I've seen this done a thousand times" in movies that were actually inspired by Dune such that it loses its magic a bit. Kind of like people who watched 2000s movies without seeing The Matrix. Bullet time and the cool Kung Fu don't look original after that. Maybe the worm thing would be a lot cooler if I hadn't seen Tremors? Maybe spice (magic drug) would seem more interesting if I hadn't seen 60 versions of it in every other sci-fi movie/tv show (ex: Slo-Mo in Dredd, that drug in Limitless, Dust in Babylon 5, etc)?
I dunno man BvS was completely incoherent (the theatrical cut at least).
@@ZachBobBob that's because Zack doesn't know how to compile a solid story within a reasonable runtime.
Uh NO he had to release an extended CUT cause WB didn't let him put out the movie HE wanted to theyade him cut the movie up at THE LAST MINUTE!
@@thetrasharoundmyplastic6342 you guys gotta stop acting like Justice League was the only time he released an extended cut. He's done it multiple times which included BvS. It took him releasing an "Ultimate Edition" just to explain that Superman couldn't stop a man's wheelchair from exploding because it was made of led...
Zack Snyder is pretentious Michael Bay.
Exactly, at least Michael Bay doesn’t pretend he’s making something greater than he actually is
"Rebel moon, let's get that ball going"
Oh dear god
People understood Christopher Nolan films. Is Zack Snyder better than Nolan? Fuck no.
Exactly! 😂
In my opinion, Fuck Yeah Zack is Better.
But I still like your opinion too. So, Come one, Don't be so harsh on Zack, Even if your criticisms are legit enough.
I don't believe most people even understand all chris Nolan films in general, especially his tenet, Prestige, Insomnia and even his 1st movie, The Following.
Zack Snyder has always been a master at creating great visuals (all though army of dead had me questioning that) but he has never been a good storyteller. He is more focused on making cool moments than he is in crafting a story to make those moments impactful and not just pretty to look at.
It’s the same cop out answer his fans give if you say you don’t like these movies. “You just didn’t get it” 🙄
Except that's not what he is saying at all.
"If you didn't like, you didn't understand it" is the single most annoying criticism ever 🙄
The worst thing you can do as a filmmaker or an artist over all is not take responsibility for your failures or mistakes and make it as though you do no wrong. You have to take account for them in order to learn and grow in your craft. That's how you become one of the best.
Except that's your opinion. He's not obligated to acknowledged what you subjectively think are failures or mistakes. The fact that people keep making up bullshit about his films is not his fault.
You can't fundamentally change two of the most popular characters, make the universe darker than what is found in the comics, have your attempts fail, then blame the audience. No Zack, it was you. Zack lack of accountability, is the one thing that made me lose all respect for him. It means he can't grow and improve. And he is so on the cusp of actual greatness, and not the cult following he has. He needs to stop putting spectacle above narration and characters. Then his films would have done better.
THANK YOU!!! I’ve been saying this for years. His writing sucked because he only wrote what he thought would look cool on screen. Didn’t matter if fit the character or made sense or not as long as it looked cool. Even his dialogue suffered from it always trying to have every character sound and be edgy. He wasn’t the right fit to do those movies.
superman is a good natured small town farm boy, if you are questioning why a socalled god isnt a warlord, and wont use his powers to wreck everyone, youre not being a "critic" youre superman's arch rival lex luthor
@@Chuck_EL This comment makes little sense based on the context of the existing thread.
Zack Snyder is what you'd get if Michael Bay thought he was Stanley Kubrick.
😂😂😂😂😂‼️
Too perfect
Zack Snyder wants to have a deep message in his films, but the issue is he’s just a dudebro who read Ayn Rand.
Stupid scenes like the Jonathan Kent dying to save a dog or “Martha” tells me he isn’t very deep.
Everything I heard about this guy is he is a nice guy, but he believes some pretty nutty stuff.
@@majorlazor5058 same as pretty much every human being like you and me lol.
difference is, zack admitted and being open about his insane thought publicly while most of us kept it just as a secret, but he is definitely talented unlike Kanye West .
Yeah no.
@@majorlazor5058 no that's your dumb false ignorant view of him. And neither of those scenes are stupid they didn't resonate with you. Thats fine. What nutty stuff fo you think he believes?
I don’t need to look for the inner contents of a moldy donut to understand it's a moldy donut, I just need to smell it
This comment proves exactly what we all knew and that Zack Snyder never understood DC at all. I'm so glad we have James Gunn calling the shots at DC.
Zack Snyder is the type of fan that watched/read something for years, never understood the themes at all. Then, when one story is super explicit with the themes gets mad that they are "changing" his favorite thing. He never got any of these characters and always took the wrong thing from the comics which is why his movies got them wrong.
@@TheKonamiMan agreed! Dude reads about the darkest part of these heroes and spins it without understanding the characters. A hopeful Superman? Nope. A Batman with a code he lives by? Nope. Just an unearned dark and grittiness for every single character.
Amen
No it doesn't. It proves you guys can't read.
@@TheKonamiMan thats alot of bullshit assumptions.
"People didn't understand the vision" is the excuse Star Wars TLJ fans and, hell, Star Wars prequels fans use.
But there's a massive difference between not understanding something and not like something.
Snyder's films essentially had a different take on the comic book characrters but honestly, even if you don't mind the lack of comic book accuracy, the films still sucked.
And thats not because of "lack of popcorn humour" or "grittiness". The Dark Knight and Logan prove that you can make a great dark, gritty comic book film.
BvS sucked because it fell into the same trap as Iron Man 2 and Amazing Spider-Man 2: too busy trying to set up other shit or cramming dumb things in, not enough time spent on the plot that matters.
Dear Zach, I understood your films. I thought they were just really boring and bordered on just being a bit too depressing.
Don’t get me wrong: I think it’s a good thing we got the Snyder films in the sense that the seriousness was a good counter to the MCU. But I’m looking forward to James Gunn’s Superman because I do want to see the big blue Boy Scout again. I’m tired of Evil Superman. Added to that with The Suicide Squad and Peacemaker? James has found an offbeat way to deliver some raunchy but still definitely mature superhero films. When I watched BVS it felt like they were trying too hard.
Going in I loved that it seemed to be darker and deeper than Marvel, but it lacks soul
Back then the Marvel movies weren't even so goofy yet and Daredevil was streaming as (at the time) presumably part of the MCU.
@@marvelprince Agreed. It’s definitely style over substance. It’s also so dark it’s hard to find the light so to speak, making it hard to stay invested.
Even DC Titans had this problem. All the characters were assholes, the violence was super overboard. The cartoon show I grew up on had sidekicks working together as a team to become better heroes, it still had levity that humanized the characters so when their back was to the wall you were scared.
And funny enough, Doom Patrol countered DC Titans just as well as James Gunn did the rest of the DCEU.
The Doom Patrol was weird, they’re a team of rejects of losers. Yet it still felt mature and it got to me to feel for the crew. It all felt so refreshing and new in a way that sunk its teeth into me.
@@paradoxinraindrops141 Agreed. Doom Patrol was a welcomed surprise. I didn’t expect it to be any good after watching Titans and Swamp Thing, but luckily I was completely wrong
Know your audience if you want to make money, blame your audience if you don’t. We live in a world where everyone is a critique and mostly ones that like to tear things down rather than praise. If you think the audience is too stupid to understand your movie, remember they are smart enough not to spend their money on your next project!
That's not what he said at all.
@bum bastic he's wasnt implying that. Y'all are making baseless assumptions.
@bum bastic no he wasn't. You're blinded by your dumb hate narrative.
I’m so tired of Zach Snyder
I can't believe Zack Snyder is still writing this story in his head until now. The more this guy opens his mouth, the more outlandish his story gets. I'm just glad that he's out.
Facts
I can name a waayyyy better movie that had the same plot that the villain blackmailed the superheroes to fight each other… captain America: civil war
This is what happens when u lift a Mediocre director to new heights..
This comment is what I've been saying for years!! Thank you!!
He's not even mediocre. His best films are mediocre, and there aren't many that reach that level. Most of his films are just bad.
@@HTHAMMACK1 define bad from only your opinion. seriously, I don't even believe he is " bad " or "hacker"
No this is what ahoeoens when needs overreact and get emotional.
The last word I would use to describe any Zack Snyder film is “layered.” Those movies reeked of condescension, like Snyder was putting these characters in situations just to look at the audience and go, “See? Look how deep I am.” And the whole time it’s just Batman screaming at Clark about why he said Martha. He seems like a cool guy to hang with but his movies never worked for me. Especially his DC movies. They’re made with a fundamental misunderstanding of what these characters represent and who they are. You can say that he was trying to give us something different but that doesn’t automatically equal better.
That is a pretty apt description of Snyder movies.
The problem people had with Snyder's films is that Snyder himself didn't truly understand a majority of the characters he was adapting to the big screen. Snyder himself has said that he wasn't a big fan of superhero comics growing up and has said that he wants to portray a more realistic take on the heroes as opposed to their comic book counterparts. Anytime I hear a creator say that "they just didn't get it", tells me that they don't want to accept the reality that their film didn't connect with people.
I'm a fan of Man of Steel! I like that movie, even though my love for it has lowered over the decade, but I still like it. I saw what Snyder was trying to do and I was onboard for it. But the moment WB announced Snyder would be leading an entire cinematic universe with Man of Steel as its starting point, I was against it because Man of Steel needed to be its own universe. If a cinematic universe was going to be made, then it needed to have the characters we know from the comics, the same characters that Snyder didn't want to adapt fully because he simply wasn't into them.
The Snyder cutt is a master piece though and his true vision of what justice league was supposed to be and atleast to me showed what he can do he they let him breath lol
His interpretations of these heroes were just that. HIS interpretation. He made the heroes the way he did because HE thought it was cool. Not to serve the larger story.
@@pjackson116 And that's not entirely a bad thing. I like Man of Steel and The Snyder Cut, so when looked at as just Snyder's vision they are entertaining. I've heard rumors that Snyder had plans for Man of Steel sequels and I've always wanted to see what those would be like, as it would have been a Snyder contained universe of his Superman.
But the issue with Snyder's vision is that it was never going to work as a cinematic universe, because in order for that to work, the characters from the comics needed to be adapted, not someone else's interpretation of how he thinks they would be like in a more realistic setting. Superman in his films wasn't inspiring, hopeful, or really that great at saving lives. Batman was too murderous. In fact, almost every character in this universe is okay with killing.
There's a reason why people return to the cartoon shows of the 2000s, even the Batman show in the 90s, because they adapted the characters from the comics amazingly. If an entire live-action cinematic universe was going to be made, they are going to expect the characters they remember, not fanfiction versions.
@@tjjordan4207 if he wanted to remake characters in his image so to speak, he shouldn’t have touched Batman or Superman. The general public pretty much looks at those two heroes as American mythology. People know who they are, what they stand for and people pretty much don’t want them changed. I’m more of a Batman fan than a Superman fan but even I have to admit that what Snyder tried to do was pretty egregious. I think the reason the Snyder cut worked was because he pretty much stuck to who the characters were for the most part. Superman wasnt developed much but I think he just knew he didn’t quite know how to write him in a way that wasnt divisive
Wrong Guy that was Singer that said that.
I’m tired of people trying to “deconstruct” these mainstream characters in these big movies. They’re iconic for a reason and a big budget film means this is gonna be that characters representation for a generation. If i want to see Superman deconstructed I’ll just watch invincible or the boys
I remember a podcast mentioning that the reason why we see these directors are Iike this is because the directors want to make "THEIR VERSION" of an ironic character or franchise. We don't want "YOUR" version, we just want to see fun movies with these characters in live action.
@@josephwiessner1558 I have fun exploring different possibilities with these character.. not eeveryone is like you that just want more of the same safe stuff.
the same morons who say superman is "generic" and "too good" are the reasons zack did what he did to superman then they bitched and moaned about how "dark" superman was
gee the morons who didnt get superman and how he is and wanted him to be "injustice" superman without context cause "it looks good " which is why zack caved in were wrong and fans like me who know the superman character were right ?
oh btw it was christopher nolan who forced the edgy and brooding superman...superman is NOT dark, gritty, or edgy hes the symbol of good and hope....if you dont like that hes that way thats on you not superman
maybe studios for once will stop listening to internet edgelords who want every hero to act like villians cause "derr its mah bad ass" and listen to the actual fans of the comic book heros?
he just tried to copied ideas from the injustice universe without the proper setup.
I am with Ray. Zack did go with a hardcore superman and its not that people didnt get what he was doing, it just was not the superman they were looking for.
because thats not who clark is hes the standard good guy superhero not some murderous "anti hero" ...ill give zack a pass becuase that was walter hamada's idea to make superman "edgy" based on a podcast i did with zack and whitney (she does new rockstar videos) with other fans , he definately knows the superman lore and the characters , but that comment isnt helping thou
@@Chuck_EL i don't think Zack was portraying a "murderous 'anti hero'" either. he put superman into a difficult situation and he certainly didn't give us the superman most people are accustomed to seeing. however, that is not the same thing as being an anti-hero, let alone being murderous in intent. From everything I can tell, we would have gotten to the version of Superman we are more accustomed to, we were just witnessing the events which would help shape him to choose that way of living and being a hero.
And I blame him for not understanding DC characters.
W
BvS defenders used to claim that anyone who didn't like it didn't understand it, but since when does understanding a movie mean you'll like it?
Right. “The ultimate edition makes the story easier to understand” understanding was never the issue
Exactly.
With that mentality, there's no such thing as a bad movie. Since you'd just need to understand them all lmao
It’s one thing to understand it and not like it, but many of the “critics” that were riding Marvel’s jock strap at the time complained about things in the movie that proved they either didn’t get what they were watching, or that they were just pissed they didn’t get what they want.
Also he’s talking about the critics and WB, not the fans.
At that time a lot of people were riding that marvel wave and wanted these movies to be easily digestible.
@@bzso9603 this guy gets it.
@@remypinoy really? Ok, why does Batman brand those guys? Why does he want to kill Superman? Why does Lex want to kill Superman?
Yeah, the audience is the problem. Not the script or studio right 😉
Zack always seemed like a cool guy, but this is an extremely pretentious thing to say.
Same guy who said Superman is “broken, and needs fixing”
No, he's always been pretentious. Just showing his ass now. And I like Man of Steel and his JL.
@@Pietothesky Exactly. He never respected Superman and that’s facts
Nah, He said what’s he said….people just didn’t like them and I was one of them
Really?!?!?! So he's not responsible? I'm glad he's out.
Batman VS Superman wasn't that deep, it had some really messy story telling and Jesse Eisenberg gave a cringey performance. Nolan was the person before Snyder who brought Batman to the big screen and most people loved his Dark Knight trilogy
By your logic, His Dark Knight Trilogy is also not that deep too , especially the fact that his realistic tone just basically made into a ninja gangster mixed action crime thriller drama.
@@freddiemac327 TDK had a talented director and talented actor who crafted the perfect villain for BatMan to face. Snyder offered Jesse Eisenberg the role of Jimmy Olsen, C.I.A. operative who gets shot in the face in the movies opening scene. Eisenberg turned it down because he didnt think he would be convincing as a CIA operative. Snyder called him a couple weeks later and offered him the role of Lex Luthor.
Eisenberg had no preconceived idea of how his role should be played ..he didnt audition for the role - it was Offered to him. Snyder worked with him and crafted and coached until it was just right, in Snyders eyes.
Craziest part is Snyder thought his Lex Luthor would be compared to Heath Legers Joker and was prepping Eisenberg for the sudden fame he would get for his performance. That shows how deeply out of touch Snyder is with general audiences. He literally thought that Mickey Mouse impression and the snot and the pee and the jolly ranchers was on the level of what Nolan and Leger did with Joker and would be received by audiences with the same accolades.
The Dark Knight was all those things and audiences for the most part loved it. Soooo...
“This is everyone’s fault but mine……..”
He's not lying. When Man of Steel came out everybody was expecting Christopher Reeves type superman movie... And it was not. And a lot of people had a problem with it. Myself included. It took me a 3rd watch to appreciate it. And now it's one of my favourites.
He was talking about BvS
There is nothing multi-layered about Zack Snyder's storytelling. The guy has the film making subtlety of a hammer. Apart from the visual aspect, the guy is a very mediocre storyteller. Literally the first praise of every movie he makes is the visuals, but he is way too self-important.
No there is. You just refuse to engage with them and you claim there is no subtlety yet those so called obvious things stop fly over your head and y'all mstik make up bs about the films.
@@thewitcherking937 That’s what Snyderbots say. Every single think Snyder says about the subtlety of his work is exceedingly obvious.
@@nikunjdixit1175 yet it somehow goes over your heads despite your claim of it being obvious. And if that's the case many of yall wouldn't have to resort to twist the events of the film.
@@thewitcherking937 Typical snyderbots response! Tell me one thing that I ‘didn’t understand’ about the movie!
@@nikunjdixit1175 are you blind? I never said you didn't understand about the movie. Are all you Snyder antis this bad at reading?
Snyder, we understood your movies. They just suck.
I know the Snyder DC films have their fans, and I don't think they're bad, but you sure can't tell me they're smart. There are some things in Batman V Superman I like, but the film is dumb. It's full of poorly written characters doing stupid things. Batman and Superman are written as morons. The plot is stupid and Doomsday is an ugly joke of a climatic villain. Of course, the film had to be edited down from his original cut before the final release, but you can't blame the audience for not "getting" a poorly edited, incoherently structured story where no acts remotely believable.
@@AnointedFlowI seriously don't believe that BVS UE you claimed it's a bad movie which is like The Room which a legit bad film.
Justice League isn’t a deep movie. It’s take the three things and put them together to make the big thing. That’s every video game plot.
I don't think Last Of Us or Grand Theft Auto or Minecraft or even Super Mario or even Uncharted have those type of Stories about 3 things mixed into one magical stuff.
@@kartikadewi3270 Because they are better films than JL.
He is the most pretentious creative I know. He thinks he's making some high art independent athor film but he is just really doing superhero egdelord fanfiction and disrespecting the core of the characters
And please tell me how much disrespectful he gave to FICTIONAL comic characters ??
Nolan and Goyer wrote the story for MoS so you can stop giving credit to Snyder. It was his first DC movie so that's why there's wasn't much of what he wanted hence why it's better than the rest. Getting Snyder out and destroying the Snyderverse were the best decisions for DC.
Watchmen is technically his 1st DC comics movie.
I've been saying this for years now, there's a reason why Nolan jumped ship after MoS, even with that movie he disagreed with several story bits but ultimately let Zack go ahead with them bc that's what he wanted, when the movie came out those same exact moments he disagreed with Snyder were the ones getting the most criticism, like all the destruction and Supes killing Zod. Nolan knew what he was doing, that wasn't his story nor his character anymore, he saw where Snyder was going so he jumped ship immediatly.
Snyder really lifted his leg and licked his sack lmao
😂😂😂😂
I fully understood Snyder's films. I saw what he was trying to do, and I got the intent. I just thought the execution was awful, and therein lies the difference.
BvS was the only DCEU film of his that I half liked, but it just turned into a mess at the end. Justice League was ok, but his cut was too bloated and lacked the depth to justify the runtime. Man of Steel was one of the most excruciating cinema experiences I've ever had. It was like a headache in film form.
Snyder thinks he's Christopher Nolan, but he's more like Michael Bay.
Snyder didn't say "Nobody understood BVS" ....
He Said people expected a different movie than what they got and then tuned out ...The word understand or understood is nowhere in his comment ...The MEDIA is saying that as clickbait...And people are too STUPID to notice it ...
@@dignerds You keep copy pasting this lame ass excuse lmao, calling people stupid doesnt help your case, you're just reaffirming the notion that Snyder and his fanboys do in fact believe that everyone else but them is stupid
Haha, I had the exact opposite reaction to MoS and BvS. I liked Man of Steel until the 3rd act and BvS to me was the excruciating experience.
Snyder has a history of trying to blame others for his films' failures. It's so tiring.
Provide examples, because this is my first time seeing him do this
I definitely agree that people's expectations played a part in their enjoyment of those films. However, I think you're right that subverted expectations can be overcome by good storytelling to make people understand and still like the films.
Snyder and Fincher are great Music video directors with amazing visuals. The latter is also a great story teller
They understood, it just sucked
Facts with a few highlights 😂
Yeah, Jesse Eisenberg putting Jolly Ranchers on a guys mouth and peeing in a jar was "deep", sure thing Zack 😂
He filled the whole jar up lmao. He had to have done that over days and not drank any water 😂😂
by your logic, joker Pencil scene is also "deep" funny ironic lol.
“But y’see that was symbolism for how the government are eating out of his hand, you were just too dumb to understand”
@@mrcritical6751 That was a Michael Bay-esque product placement. It was a commercial for jolly ranchers candy - but Snyder and his former classmate Michael Bay just seem to have some Serious writers block, when it comes to finding a way to write a product placement into the movie that isnt a jarring, headscratching mess. BVS opened with a Jeep commercial .. Bruce flew to Metropolis in a helicopter then drove a Jeep Patriot commercial to Wayne headquarters.. Shazam 2 is carrying on the WB/DC tradition 'taste the rainbow, mtherfkr'
@@hawkzulu5671 there was also the really weird airplane adverts they made with Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne
Snyder’s films are not complex in any form. A well-read middle schooler could pick apart his films and all of the plot holes within them.
BVS Ultimate Edition is actually pretty good 🔥
Sorry Zach Synder but that is just a lame excuse for not making a great movie. Batman Verses Superman is a mess. It's a case of too many cooks in the kitchen. Why would you try and set up a justice league movie? Then you add doomsday in the mix and he kills superman. Wait!!! What is the movie callled again? It thought it was called Batman Verses Superman. Audiences didn't get the movie because the movie made no sense to begin with.
I love Man of Steel. Wasn't a fan of the movies that came after.
The problem with Man of Steel superman is his character didn’t make sense. Superman isn’t Bruce Wayne, who lost his parents at a young age and being traumatised by that. He is meant to be someone who is optimistic with wholesome values because of his loving adoptive parents. He could have shown that he was rebellious after finding out he was adopted, but that movie had him being this moody, angry dude with PTSD about his past. It was so weird.
Are we forgetting about his total restraint from ripping the dude in half at the diner who disrespected him and the waitress ? That scene was honestly for me the most human scene super man has had to date cause we all know what he coulda done or even what we would have done , wrapping the truck around the tree was bad ass 😂...
@@ThatDorkyReviewShow you are easily impressed
@@iamsheep and it is a good thing to be easily impressed.
@@kartikadewi3270 yeah if only there’s a word for someone like that 😂
The funny thing is I didn't see. Anyone complain when he killed Zod in the comics . YEAH THAT HAPPENED. And he had no choice you're actually proving his point he had NO CHOICE he even screamed please don't make me do this. He couldn't let Zod kill that family especially the child there was no other way to stop him what would you have done?
If Zack made a Jesus movie, it's Jesus who'd kill.. smh. He just don't get the characters but he'd rather blame the audience.
BvS the reason why they finally work together cause of similar Mother's name? Really??
The fans will explain about how it's the meaning behind it and such, as if it isn't obvious and still poorly done lol
Zach loves the smell of his own fart so much
Try making a half decent movie for a change, might help with the audience's perspective.
Snyder thinks he’s James Gunn.
The style over substance dude thinks his movies are that hard to understand. Terrible movies if you actually like a good story. He gutted watchman, shot superman in the head and thinks he s doing Scorcesse level of story complexity.
I blame Snyder for not understanding Superman.
Snyder is on the record saying Superman is “broken” and needed his reconstruction.
@@Pietothesky Superman is not broken, Snyder doesn't understand Superman
@@Pietothesky Snyder is broken.
I'm glad he was kicked out of DC
He ruined DC
He definitely knew what he saying cause that’s a common defense from his fans, that the general audience just didn’t understand or get it. He’s just pandering to his audience that wants to feel like they’re so much more smarter and sophisticated cause they like a Batman who uses guns smh
and They are definitley not the only people who like batman with guns too.
people of military background mostly like any comic book character using guns, especially punisher, but they also support the concept of batman using guns too.
Except that's not what he said at all
I just don’t find Zac Snyder to be a very good director. He does use a style that reminds me of the comics, but it looks ridiculous on the silver screen to me. I like the MCU because it seems a little less pretentious, but (until recently) not too ridiculous like say Adam West’s Batman or Thor Love and Thunder.
Yeah.. His movies are just about visuals.. With weak storyline..
@@MrCake-ui8uo he might be good for a John Wick movie
People understood them , it’s called poor writing 😂
I don’t think he is even saying that audiences didn’t get his movies. He’s simply saying that audiences expected different thing from his movies. Which is probably true. But it does come off like he is saying that his take was somehow groundbreaking or deep, which it wasn’t. Deconstruction of characters like Superman have been done to death. It’s not a clever idea. And Snyderverse isn’t that deep. Smashing audiences on the head with Superman as Christ imagery doesn’t make it deep or thought provoking. And even that has been done.
And on top of that people wanna go see movies like the Mario movie or GOTG Vol 3, not for religious topics or controversial topics shoved down their throats. "Oh look Clark Kent is in church" we don't care
The only reason he sets up people seeing him as a God, is because it's the FIRST time people know of his existence and still getting used to him being around
they understood it, they just didn't care for it lol
The blame game is a little late there hacky
Zack Snyder's best comic book movie was 300. He went downhill from there.
Even as someone who likes most of Zack Snyder’s DC movies (With the exception of Batman V Superman) this was kind of an arrogant thing for him to say, because yeah I know that what he was doing with his DC movies was noticeably different from what Marvel was doing, he wanted to do something darker and I respect that, but his comments make it sound like he’s standing up on a soapbox and saying that his movies were too smart for the feeble minds of everybody who watched them, I mean I get that back in 2013 when his universe started out his movies were definitely different from the other superhero movies being released at the time but I don’t think his universe was like “The Unseen Gamechanger Of The Entire Comic Book Movie Genre” I mean his universe started just after the first Avengers movie came out, and you could argue that *THAT* movie was the one that changed the entire comic book movie genre, because it was the one that really kickstarted the whole trend of comic book movies being more lighthearted, fun and encouraged to embrace its source material a lot more, and so it clearly had much more of an impact, but I don’t think anyone who disliked what Zack Snyder’s vision for DC was deserves to be looked down upon just because it happened to be different from the other stuff that was being released around it, I mean that’s like the director of Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World’s End saying that “People just didn’t like it because it was too deep for them” When in reality most people would probably tell you “No, we just didn’t like it because it was such an astronomical departure from what the franchise was like before” So even as someone who for the most part liked Zack Snyder’s DC movies this does kinda sound like him just jerking off his own ego, just because not everyone saw your movies as the DC equivalent of Shakespeare doesn’t mean they “Just didn’t get it” You can understand what a filmmaker was going for and still not like it, and that’s what I think ultimately happened with the reception of his movies
MoS is a decent start for DCEU with some great action scenes. Unfortunately BvS happened
However, I have to agree with John on this, if the audience really doesn't understand your film, that is a failure of the filmmakers.
@@scotts1912
Oh, 1000% agree.
@@scotts1912 They borrowed a few hundred million dollars to make and promote that movie ....and at some random hour, they just decided to head into the editing bay with a chainsaw - ..just for the hell of it? ..experimentation?... they were playing a hunch?.. Its the test screenings of the longer version that made WB shorten it - to collect as much $ as they could before the movie plunges off a cliff in week 2.
@@hawkzulu5671 There’s ton of Frankenstein comicbook films out there that are commercially successful. Studio cuts aren’t some new concept. At the end of the day Snyders vision & portrayals of DC characters didn’t appeal to a mainstream audience. It’s Warner Bros fault for asking him to lead their universe, they set him up to fail.
@@Pietothesky WB is shortsighted. They could have promoted Alan Horn to president - but they liked Kevin 'TrainWreck' Tsujiharas pitch - promising Avengers $ overnight. So they forced the old pres and Alan Horn into retirement. ..rest is history.
Warning! Even talking about this subject could bring out the Snyder-Bots to attack you John. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! :)
We understood his films just fine. We understood that he had absolutely ZERO fucking clue about any of the characters he depicted on screen, and continues to prove it with bullshit statements like "The Amazons are descended from Kryptonians." No, Zack. Just...no.
Rather than believe Zack is completely clueless about his work, just try to open your mind a little bit at least to at least understand WHY he made those choices.
@@kartikadewi3270 Never said anything about his work. I said he's clueless about the characters. And he is.
So you understood nothing and just made a dumb false gatekeeping fanboy remark. So what if they have a connection to kryptonians?
Wow... You REALLY ARE a Snyder APOLOGIST, lol In fact, that's the ONLY OBJECTIVE thing you said in that vlog, lol
Everytime I TRY to rewatch BVS, to see if I’ll actually “get it” on my 7th attempt…I always turn it off about 10 mins in when I watch Bruce Wayne get a helicopter ride to the alien warzone Metropolis, then get into a car and his plan is to…do what?!?! 😭 Like this is Batman, one of the smartest DC characters, like what was his plan to be a contributor to that situation? Like if you want him driving around in chaos, why not just have him ALREADY in the city?? Urrrrgh 😭😭😭 Maybe I’ll just let that one go on attempt 8…
Thats that trademark Zack Snyder/ Michael Bay (they went to school together) product placement in action. Jeep paid for a product placement Feature in BVS.. the big bucks - to be integrated into the movie itself. But Snyder cant figure a way to write it in where its not just a jarring, head scratching mess. The other big feature was Jolly Rancher candy co. - ..i would love to see that moment of inspiration, when the idea hit him ...'I got it !!! in that scene where Lex is bribing the senator ...ill have Lex shove a jolly rancher into his mouth and then lick his fingers ..MMMmmm Cherry !!!'
I watched the ultimate edition and I understood what Snyder was doing but it still was kind of odd.
Hes right,
IL never understand starting a DC universe with an OLD ASS BATMAN
The movie was poorly paced and constructed. Even the ultimate edition still has the same problems-Which shows, that more Synder isn’t always better
As someone who likes Snyder's movies -- he's dead wrong about why people didn't like them. It's not that people wanted something "fun" and "couldn't handle something complex or mythological." It's that they're riddled with plot issues and character issues such as reckless heroes (Wonder Woman destroying the bank wall and endangering the cops when she didn't have to, to name one). As someone woh enjoys these movies, they are far from perfect, and they fail on the EXECUTION side. It's not just that people "want everything to be silly and fun."
Hey I'm on the MOS greatest superhero movie ever bus but I didn't like BVS or JL enough because I'm also on the Chris Nolan written Snyder directed dynamic.Nolan helped write MOS and it was a complete piece.
Yea okay…That “Martha” moment was the dumbest moment in all screenwriting history
batman, blinded by hatred, vengeance, paranoia due to years of fighting crime, almost turns into the very thing that killed his own parents and got him there in the first place. So when superman says "save Martha", he not only realises that Clark is human and loves his mother just like him, but also sees the monster that he was about to turn himself into.
@@bullymaguire6231Would have been a much stronger moment if Batman hadn't spent the whole movie killing for fun. Hell would have been more believable tbh if 'Martha' stopped him from committing his first murder.
But he killed a number of people in that movie (before and after the Martha thing) that were also human so that argument hella falls flat. 🤷🏻♂️
I've always really liked his visuals, but his storytelling has always been blah...
Yeah, having two Marthas was not that deep.😒
Right or Wrong that is something Synder shouldn’t have said. Lately he has been low key stirring up the pot of the Synderverse fans riling them up for something that we’ve passed from
Zach Snyder hired troll bots to whip up anger against DC and its filmmakers to release the snyder cut. He is both a hack and a bad person
5:00 here’s how I take that statement… he understands that the movie audience wanted a fun superhero movie and he was like “No! I’m doing this dark and gritty thing and don’t care what YOU peasants want!” (Lol he didn’t say that exactly) and because he failed to deliver what they wanted, the audience checked out.
And I think that’s fair. But like your saying, this was not planned and he didn’t say it well.
Snyder and his fans have somehow deluded themselves into believing zacks storytelling is on the same level as someone like Nolan. But Snyder isn’t even among the best when it comes to superhero movies. His movies are only deep to people who don’t know anything about philosophy or literature.
The only thing I dislike about Man of Steel is the de-saturated color pallet.
Your tolerance for shit movies is high then
Lmfao, ill admit I support Snyder to release his cut of the movie. But after hearing Zeus and Wonder Woman are part Kryptonian. Thats a stupid Idea. No wonder why Warner Bros. Dropped him. He blames that he cant have full control of his Universe and now I see why they wouldnt let him. The man clearly doesnt want to do the DC Lore correctly. Yeah it sucks we wont see the Justice League go against Darkseid. But saves our asses to not see a Bullshit representation of WW being part Kryptonian.
Let’s not forget about him killing dick Grayson, making Superman evil just because Lois died 😂 you don’t see Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man turning into pure evil over losing Gwen Stacy. Lol from killing mercy graves for no logical reason to killing jimmy olsen for no reason. He doesn’t understand dc or it’s characters and their significance. Martian manhunter stalking people throughout the movie while doing nothing about the threat the planet is facing. He just doesn’t care about dc clearly
I literally couldnt go ten minutes without symbolism and christ allegories being shoved in my face. I dont know HOW someone could miss the "meaning" snyder was going for. dudes movie was screaming it at the audience for 3 hours a film. half of lex luthors dialogue is read out of a philosophy 100 course or a r/im14andthisisdeep post
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL THIS MAN HOW HORRIBLE MAN OF STEEL WAS?? 😂😂😂 SMH
Man of Steel was good
Superman not caring about collatoral damage is not Superman. At all. BvS had SO many holes and problems from Lex Luthor's jars of pee to Lex in general to Doomsday to MARTHA etc. The Snyderverse was wack. It was more like Injustice, not the actual DC characters. Wack. Batman branding people and wielding machine guns. Superman angry, depressed and sad. Yes, very dark, and grey and slo mo. We understood it. We didn't like it.
Zack Snyder is a very good "visual storyteller". his weakness has always been the scripts. he's a terrible writer. as such, he has problems working from bad scripts.
He has a casting weakness also. He does great casting and then he casts really bad actors and actresses that don't work well with the great ones. Because he doesn't audition his casts and the bad ones literally kill his film's potential!
True. His visual stuff is next level but man he’s a bad story teller
It's always a bad thing and the worst thing a film director any actor/actress who feel that their movies are cinematic masterpieces that weren't successful,I did like a few of the movies in the DC verse I really did but I could see why others didn't like it as well the stories were just so convoluted and all over the place and I never really got the sense that the characters were just one dimensional's and their motivations were completely lost in the shuffle I do like Zack Snyder as a Director I think he's one of the more underrated ones but him blaming the audience is just 100% a cop out.
And Im blaming Snyder for being an egomaniacal edge lord that cannot tell good stories
John likes all the rotten rated (and mostly bad) movies from DCEU 2013-2020 and doesn't like the one freshly rated (and actually good) movie, Birds of Prey (he didn't mention Aquaman or Shazam). Hopefully not for the same reason a lot of fan boys didn't like it
Exactly. I thought that was hilarious. Birds of Prey was better than the awful ones he did like.
It's not as good as Aquaman or Wonder Woman 1, but it was a nice little flick.
Zach Snyder might not have been trying to say that; however;... _IT CERTAINLY CAME OUT LIKE HE DID!_
4:39 While I agree that we shouldn't take every off-the-cuff celebrity interview too seriously, I don't think we should give Zack Snyder a pass. He has made similar statements many times over the years, using arguments that only make sense in a bubble, such as "the fans just don't get it" or "casual movie audiences don't understand deconstructing a character." Snyder's personal biases were also on display when he articulated his disdain for Superman's "aw shucks" persona and wholesome "boy scout" nature, leading him to essentially turn the character into Batman, thereby ruining the contrast between the two. This recent interview isn't a one-off mistake; we need to stop making excuses for directors and producers who think they know better than the writers of the source material. It's all ego, plain and simple.
This kind of attitude is how we end up with bad live action adaptations of video games, anime, and books (minus Mario and The Last of Us, which gave the original creators voting power and control over the material).
His best superhero movie is WATCHMEN.
So Batman shoots and kills a bunch of criminals but we know that the only reason that Batman is Batman is because he HATES guns! And that's the reason that joker was alive! Superman ignored a truck that destroyed a entered building? Wtf???
♠ Batman is Batman bc Bruce dresses as a Bat to avenge his parents fighting crime.. if he uses weapons or not.. deadly force or not, is brutal or not, kills or not, speaks more about his State of Mind or if he is corrupted. Which is in the latter in BvS. Bruce once was a good hero (gotham citizen: there's a new kind of mean in him) (alfred: new rules?) (good men turned cruel) but has gone corrupted. (nihilism after 20years + being alone + dying allies + Alien invasion + existencial crisis) this Batman is meant to be in the Wrong in the Movie.
♠ Joke being alive isnt important for the BvS PLOT.. HOWEVER FOR THE LORE.. IT STILL WORKS. He is the joker. do you think he will just let himself be killed? Even in the suicide squad flashback from 2014.. a point where Batman didnt installed the guns in his batmobile yet, obviously Joker scapes Quickly. ( most probably bc he knows how derranged Batman is getting) (and will get crazier in the future)
♠ Superman ignored a truck that destroyed Part of an Evacuated parking lot. None was hanging up there. checked it.
And thanks to ignoring it he can focus more on Zod. Clark knows Big crashes and explosions have stunned him before at least for many seconds. (oil rig explosion) (the train thrown on top of him) CLARK WONT LET ZOD ANY CHANCE TO SCAPE AND KILL MORE HUMANS.
& all of that broh... is IN THE MOVIES. You could say "oh but the director didnt made them more explicit" sure... thats a valid feeling, but THEY ARE STILL ON SCREEN. which is the whole point of the comments expressed later.
@@maskofshy again, what makes Batman, is NOT the "bat symbol" is his MORALS! And your no-kill rule. And that's why we have the red hood, to be a reflection of what Batman would look like if he crossed that line. otherwise he would simply stop being a COMPLETE IDIOT and instead of using "batgadgets" he would grab a pistol like john wick, and go around killing everyone at once like his father in the flashpoint universe. (watch batman gotham knight animation to remember why he doesn't use guns) The joker is alive in BVS, he even appears in the hypothetical future of the "injustice" of that crap movie. And no, the joker is not immortal or smarter than batman, he just doesn't have any morals and that makes batman end up in difficult situations, but there are countless situations where the joker puts himself in suicidal situations because he knows that batman won't kill him, and that's why he lives! But now, thanks to the snyder movie, apparently Batman didn't kill him because batman apparently loves the joker.
Superman always avoids damage as much as possible, he always manages to save first and fight later, and when he dodges that truck he easily could have held off shows that the movie was poorly crafted just to be a "festival of explosions". Like in that stupid movie called Batman vs Superman.
I don’t remember Batman walking up to anyone and shooting them with a gun
“Could you imagine how people would react if they knew that someone like this was out there” - Perry from Man of Steel
People fear what they don’t understand, hate what they can’t conquer
He didn’t say audiences didn’t understand it, he just said they didn’t get what they expected, which is true. Just like Last Jedi, people didn’t get what they expected or wanted and that lead to some (not all) of the backlash. BvS was not the movie anyone wanted or expected, however some people still loved it like me. I understand why people dislike the movie and I do think sometimes expectations can play some of a roll in initial reactions