I see multiple things here. #1 a thorough inspection, #2 a promoter and inspectors that see the loop holes in their rules, #3 a promoter that has talked big shit but is now caught on video! #4 the heart and desire of great builders to prove the rule loop holes and most of all an understanding/ builder inspection crew that understands beating a rule
Had a good laugh watching this video and had some hard thought moments.... man this guy is double jointed on how he could manipulate and stretch the rules and stay within them (in my eyes) its how winners win
as an offical you always refer to the rules on paper you dont wanna miss quote a rule especially at the level, so saying they dont know the rules is pretty unfair. Showing it in black and white paper rules is the smart way to not make a mistake.
These aren't demo cars they're tanks. Demolition derby is driver door painted white, bars around cab to protect driver and everything else stock go smash em
What happened to just stripping a car putting a safety cage inside and straight bars for roll over and just running and having fun. Now days it seems like a science project to build a car
This is way more thorough tech inspection than my local demo 🤣 at mine its basicly a small walk around and make sure u didnt box ur frame everywhere and thats about it 🤣🤣
That steering is wild. Props to pete for having the mind to think that up then making it look as clean and stout as it does. Im suprised but also not that they let them paint the frame plates and straps after building the car.
They want the driver to explain why they did what they did not that they don’t know the rules. And they have the rules on them bc there’s so many different things they can’t just memorize everything
@gregquirk9642 right, i brought a set of rules and highlighted where I wanted to. He called the builder out and got corrected. As an inspector he has to have an edge of wanting to argue something. This builder just dished out everything. Props to him.
A good tech guy will let you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
In 2000 we went to a dent derby. The driver was not allowed near the inspection area so it was deemed legal or not, no cutting & reinspection, you simply weren't allowed to run. This crap ruins the sport for everyone, for God's sake this isn't even a car anymore!
That's how it should be. That's the only way to keep people from over building. Inspect it, and if it fails you tell them to load it up. Don't tell them why. Tell them to go home and Inspect it their selfs. Better luck next time.
@@xanderdavis4730 very true, back when my dad and his buddies built and ran cars, they were the big ballers of the arena with maybe 700-1k invested into their cars
Why don't they just make a rule that you can only remove material. So much simpler and then it would then come down to the talent of the driver and not how big his steel shelf is at home.
The inspectors need to tell the builders what their rules say. Not ask what the builder wants them to hear. Make them cut and get away from of over building
A good tech guy will have you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
@@robpederson281 people say nascar is boring because it is so cookie cutter and no creativity. Nascar guys were doing this stuff 50 yrs ago. It is impossible for a build set of rules be 100% for every year/make/model. Cream always rises to the top.
Pete is truly an ace at reading what the rule book doesn’t say. I can respect that. He understands this better than the tech inspectors. Those guys may need a little seasoning, but I don’t envy them! The rule book will continue to evolve……
These rules can be interpreted 100 different ways....Pete just uses a totally different language.....i would too....seeing that the tech dont enen know their own rules
That guy is obviously a good builder, but he can manipulate about every rule there is. But then, these really aren't cars anymore. It's obvious the rules were written by a bunch of different builders with their own ideas. Breaking down the interpretation of the words "may" and "to". Seriously? It's like listening to a bunch of freaking lawyers! They need to simplify the rules. You CAN do this and you CANNOT do this. Have an association meeting and go through the rules. Period. I agree with Mattwheaton7621. Car goes in for inspection. Driver stays outside. If they fail the inspection you get one chance to correct it and one more pass through the inspection. If you don't pass then, your out. These really aren't good old demolition derbys anymore. Demolition derbys are about smashing and destroying the cars. You can't smash and destroy these cars. The only way to stop them is to knock wheels off of them.
I agree 100%. The rule book is not written well and needs to be rewritten. BUT I see Pete manipulating the inspectors here by pointing out gray areas in the rules. Pete builds a kingpin front end because the rules don't say he can't. Ridiculous!! So now the rule books have to write out everything the driver can't do? Pete comes to these derbies as a high-ranking driver and pushes his weight around to get his stick. It's an unfair advantage Pete has vs. the other drivers who built their cars to the rules. I don't agree with overbuilding the car and then having to cut a bunch of stuff to pass re-inspection.
Guy can talk his way out of prison time that's for sure does what he wants and explains his way out of alot of stuff good way to get teamed up on for sure I know around my area guys find out if your cheating they all go after you
HAHAHAHA. if you think pete hansen cant outdrive multiple people at once you definetly dont know him, look up blizzard bash 2014. Team Navy Seals . him and another guy DESTROYED 4 cars vs them 2.
These things are basically a rolling block of steel with and engine and steering, it's, taken the fun out of it and engineered out the guy looking to have cheap fun on a Saturday Night, it's not even entertaining to watch anymore
A good tech guy will have you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
These guys are very fair! I’ve seen promoters flat out not let you discuss anything and if you “argue” with them they just tell you to load the car. Well done on all parts!
Chicken shit inspectors need to put their feet down and say enough is enough. No grey area. Follow the rules as written or load it on the trailer. No discussion. No arguing. No slick talk. No chance to change it either. If you cant show up with a car that meets the rules first inspection, load it up, bettwr luck next time.
The sway bars sizes are tube size only not how much weld can be on it!! These inspectors need to read the manual and use a dictionary so the know wat words mean and go back school and learn how to interperet these new words they learn😂😂😂
Why did I hang it up at the derby? Because the rules are not the same For everyone. Uncle dave or cousin bill Never seems to get called out on anything As they go over a nit pic , everything i've done According to the sketchy rules.
What would stop you from doing what this guy can? Serious question. I deal with drag racing tech inspection and know how creative and interpretive some guys can be.
@@TheLastResort3113I’m very interested in this. I promote a drag racing event…. different world, but still a place where guys like to interpret the rules. We’ve just liberalized the rules for one class and expect to see some creative interpretations. What about this particular car, for example, do you consider cheating? Are the kingpins “cheating” when (and I’ve never read your rule book) there is no rule that says you can’t? Or is it about what’s buried deeper in the car? I find this derby car inspection stuff fascinating and shared it on our page.
@@johnwilburn Wasn't about his car in general Although if he was skirting the grey area it was during the kingpin section. just my general experience. I have ran a couple of big events and it didn't seem as prevalent. As a promoter, my suggestion would be Watch out for the good old boy mentality. It's nice to have a big show But don't give up your dedication to the rules to do so.
All this can me a easy issue, the driver and team drop off the car, and stay outside, we had to to it a couple years ago, and it’s been drama free ever Since 👍🏻
Ahah it's sheet metal ahahaha guessing these people don't know there is 16 gauga and a 14 gauga sheet metal shoot even 11 gauga ant that thick but got enough to stick weld and im routing on to let the car pass inspection there was no rule on the kingpin on control arm ill allow it because couldn't think of a rule in my box it should be a option to all drivers to go with suspension and almost same with folded and double like the other car and it's only welded at the bolt
It's funny to me that this dude obviously called everything in and checked to make sure shit was in spec, and their still being Karen's. Now yes, people are sneaky fuckers but...... why be Karen's when the name of the game is to destroy what you just built.
Bullshit. He called them to confuse the issues. Especially since these inspectors get calls from 20 fifteenth drivers constantly. They know the inspectors get confused. I have been doing derbies for 30yrs. It's nothing new
I see multiple things here. #1 a thorough inspection, #2 a promoter and inspectors that see the loop holes in their rules, #3 a promoter that has talked big shit but is now caught on video! #4 the heart and desire of great builders to prove the rule loop holes and most of all an understanding/ builder inspection crew that understands beating a rule
Love a man who's working the rules,smart,and relentless 😊 much love from waaaaay down under in New Zealand 🇳🇿
Built many derby cars but these are absolutely a different breed!
Had a good laugh watching this video and had some hard thought moments.... man this guy is double jointed on how he could manipulate and stretch the rules and stay within them (in my eyes) its how winners win
Prime example of when you got more money then driving skill🤣🤣
as an offical you always refer to the rules on paper you dont wanna miss quote a rule especially at the level, so saying they dont know the rules is pretty unfair. Showing it in black and white paper rules is the smart way to not make a mistake.
These aren't demo cars they're tanks. Demolition derby is driver door painted white, bars around cab to protect driver and everything else stock go smash em
They still have those classes. If you don't like weld cars, don't watch them.
And he runs a pre-crushed rear section, to use for strength, in every video that I've seen of his.
I Say After derby season is Over All Promoters Should have a Sit down And Understand the Rules Hands Down.
What happened to just stripping a car putting a safety cage inside and straight bars for roll over and just running and having fun. Now days it seems like a science project to build a car
The size of the first place purse
Every Motorsport sprawls like this. There’s no way around it. It’s unfortunate.
They could still run for 10k 15k etc and be "stock" it would be a bag fest like no other, its bad enough now. I dont blame the drivers, is what it is.
Nothing like tech reading the rules like is their first time ever seeing them…
These guys are definitely the wrong people to be doing any type of inspection. The drivers needs for them to be inspected. Fired ASAP
Very cool video. I have done demo derby's, but in the back country, where its just for fun. Was interesting seeing how the hard core guys do it.
This is insane. These prep rules rival NASCAR for complexity.
That It So True.
Legend in his own mind........
lets see you out build and outdrive him then if you think hes not what he thinks he is
This is way more thorough tech inspection than my local demo 🤣 at mine its basicly a small walk around and make sure u didnt box ur frame everywhere and thats about it 🤣🤣
Drinking that water like he had it blessed 🙌
Awesome video Dustin. Pete definitely uses his brain while building. Ready for Bristol 💯
The Smokey Yunick of demo derby 😅😂😅
When your competition also inspects his competition.
Should have just called that played a kingpin protector seeing how you're allowed ball joint protectors you should be allowed to kingpin protector too
Trust me when I say this, Pete knows the rules better than the people that write them 🤣. He is the Trump of Derby cars, and we love him for it! 😂
That steering is wild. Props to pete for having the mind to think that up then making it look as clean and stout as it does. Im suprised but also not that they let them paint the frame plates and straps after building the car.
We talked about that😂
Ole' Sneaky Pete
I love these audits! What a great way to set the story straight and advocate for change! Running the edge of the rulebook is the best way to win.
Unsaid rules.
The most bad ass car gets DQed and if the car count is high top three cars get a DQ.
We built king pin car 3years ago and local promoter hated so my body bolts went thru frame and body no rule on it made me cut all of them Like damn
You can tell the driver and the inspector are friends.
That's a bad ass build pushing the rules is what it's all about.
These guys in charge don't know their own rules, they have to be explained by the driver
They want the driver to explain why they did what they did not that they don’t know the rules. And they have the rules on them bc there’s so many different things they can’t just memorize everything
@gregquirk9642 right, i brought a set of rules and highlighted where I wanted to. He called the builder out and got corrected. As an inspector he has to have an edge of wanting to argue something. This builder just dished out everything. Props to him.
A good tech guy will let you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
These inspectors are learning new tricks. This helps them learn what to look for .
Grey area
Love him or hate him, Pete is the best of the best in my books.
Best cheater?
@@leeneal6969 id like to see you say that too his face LMAO
This dude hella puts you guys in the spot 🤧💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Add in the rules frames and suspension can not be painted and inspection would be much easer. 🙂
In 2000 we went to a dent derby. The driver was not allowed near the inspection area so it was deemed legal or not, no cutting & reinspection, you simply weren't allowed to run. This crap ruins the sport for everyone, for God's sake this isn't even a car anymore!
Nah, this is part of what derbies are. If you ain’t cheatin you ain’t competin’
That's how it should be. That's the only way to keep people from over building. Inspect it, and if it fails you tell them to load it up. Don't tell them why. Tell them to go home and Inspect it their selfs. Better luck next time.
You could also buy a running driving car for less than $200 nowadays more than $30,000 and 90% of the cars at that show 🤡
@@xanderdavis4730 very true, back when my dad and his buddies built and ran cars, they were the big ballers of the arena with maybe 700-1k invested into their cars
@@rip_biggie4202 that’s what I put into my base county fair car not including my motor transmission training coolers all my boy ins cage everything
Why don't they just make a rule that you can only remove material. So much simpler and then it would then come down to the talent of the driver and not how big his steel shelf is at home.
Guy knows his grey areas👍🤣
Pete was at a Derby we brought a car to now I know how he won against our
its called "Grey Area" If everyone didnt take advantage of it thats their faults
6 min in and its clear the officials don't know their own rules. Every demo derby ever....SMH
When is this derby video coming out?
Soon!
Damn he really got them inspectors on their toes.. props
The inspectors need to tell the builders what their rules say. Not ask what the builder wants them to hear. Make them cut and get away from of over building
A good tech guy will have you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
@@robpederson281 people say nascar is boring because it is so cookie cutter and no creativity. Nascar guys were doing this stuff 50 yrs ago. It is impossible for a build set of rules be 100% for every year/make/model. Cream always rises to the top.
Buddy is drinking like he’s got drug test coming up
Pete is truly an ace at reading what the rule book doesn’t say. I can respect that. He understands this better than the tech inspectors. Those guys may need a little seasoning, but I don’t envy them! The rule book will continue to evolve……
I'll be damned an old uncle tony acquaintance. Hope your doing well
@@frenchonion4595Hi 👋🏼
These rules can be interpreted 100 different ways....Pete just uses a totally different language.....i would too....seeing that the tech dont enen know their own rules
That guy is obviously a good builder, but he can manipulate about every rule there is. But then, these really aren't cars anymore. It's obvious the rules were written by a bunch of different builders with their own ideas. Breaking down the interpretation of the words "may" and "to". Seriously? It's like listening to a bunch of freaking lawyers! They need to simplify the rules. You CAN do this and you CANNOT do this. Have an association meeting and go through the rules. Period. I agree with Mattwheaton7621. Car goes in for inspection. Driver stays outside. If they fail the inspection you get one chance to correct it and one more pass through the inspection. If you don't pass then, your out. These really aren't good old demolition derbys anymore. Demolition derbys are about smashing and destroying the cars. You can't smash and destroy these cars. The only way to stop them is to knock wheels off of them.
I agree 100%. The rule book is not written well and needs to be rewritten. BUT I see Pete manipulating the inspectors here by pointing out gray areas in the rules. Pete builds a kingpin front end because the rules don't say he can't. Ridiculous!! So now the rule books have to write out everything the driver can't do? Pete comes to these derbies as a high-ranking driver and pushes his weight around to get his stick. It's an unfair advantage Pete has vs. the other drivers who built their cars to the rules. I don't agree with overbuilding the car and then having to cut a bunch of stuff to pass re-inspection.
Wouldn't this car just be in Outlaw class at this point?
Had more fun running stock everthing and with 300³$, car outlasted the big money cars
How did he do
I have to criticize or criticize When it's available The guys that inspected the Vehicle you should Red the rules better before showing up up to work
Did he end up running? What derby was this at?
Yeah, he ended up running. Got pushed on the wall in the feature
King of ohio I believe
Guy can talk his way out of prison time that's for sure does what he wants and explains his way out of alot of stuff good way to get teamed up on for sure I know around my area guys find out if your cheating they all go after you
HAHAHAHA. if you think pete hansen cant outdrive multiple people at once you definetly dont know him, look up blizzard bash 2014. Team Navy Seals . him and another guy DESTROYED 4 cars vs them 2.
These things are basically a rolling block of steel with and engine and steering, it's, taken the fun out of it and engineered out the guy looking to have cheap fun on a Saturday Night, it's not even entertaining to watch anymore
This is like watching The House Wives of Cooter County, but men.
Lol this guy know how to do it!
Wow Is that is a good build good job guys be safe out there your buddy from
Been told many many times in the pit of a demo if they aren’t arguing and picking your car apart, you aren’t doing it right.
Competition always finding that grey area to make their cars better
EVERYONES ALWAYS TRYING TO CHEAT!!!!
A good tech guy will have you explain why you did this or that because 10 people can read the same thing and every one of them might interpret it a different way so if your interpretation of the rule makes sense and isn’t obviously being twisted to get a advantage they will work with you to find a middle ground between what it says and what it was intended to say
These guys are very fair! I’ve seen promoters flat out not let you discuss anything and if you “argue” with them they just tell you to load the car. Well done on all parts!
Chicken shit inspectors need to put their feet down and say enough is enough. No grey area. Follow the rules as written or load it on the trailer. No discussion. No arguing. No slick talk. No chance to change it either. If you cant show up with a car that meets the rules first inspection, load it up, bettwr luck next time.
The sway bars sizes are tube size only not how much weld can be on it!! These inspectors need to read the manual and use a dictionary so the know wat words mean and go back school and learn how to interperet these new words they learn😂😂😂
hard core lol
why dont the inspectors know the rules?
Because 90% of any motorsports rulebook is what it DOESN’T say.
Why did I hang it up at the derby? Because the rules are not the same For everyone. Uncle dave or cousin bill Never seems to get called out on anything As they go over a nit pic , everything i've done According to the sketchy rules.
What would stop you from doing what this guy can? Serious question. I deal with drag racing tech inspection and know how creative and interpretive some guys can be.
@@johnwilburn Simple answer I don't like to cheat And rules aren't rules if everyone doesn't have to follow them.
@@TheLastResort3113I’m very interested in this. I promote a drag racing event…. different world, but still a place where guys like to interpret the rules. We’ve just liberalized the rules for one class and expect to see some creative interpretations.
What about this particular car, for example, do you consider cheating? Are the kingpins “cheating” when (and I’ve never read your rule book) there is no rule that says you can’t? Or is it about what’s buried deeper in the car? I find this derby car inspection stuff fascinating and shared it on our page.
@@johnwilburn Wasn't about his car in general Although if he was skirting the grey area it was during the kingpin section.
just my general experience. I have ran a couple of big events and it didn't seem as prevalent. As a promoter, my suggestion would be Watch out for the good old boy mentality. It's nice to have a big show But don't give up your dedication to the rules to do so.
The driver says NO Way more then the inspectors.
Ouch, welded nuts?
All this can me a easy issue, the driver and team drop off the car, and stay outside, we had to to it a couple years ago, and it’s been drama free ever Since 👍🏻
These heats have ruined the sport super boring to watch when nothing bends
Bc its a pro mod smh
Yeah, it’s definitely evolved past demolition derby. This is combat motorsports.
@@johnwilburn people don’t realize it’s evolved
Wow Different strokes Different folk But Nobody’s on the Same Page Typical Politics.
Ahah it's sheet metal ahahaha guessing these people don't know there is 16 gauga and a 14 gauga sheet metal shoot even 11 gauga ant that thick but got enough to stick weld and im routing on to let the car pass inspection there was no rule on the kingpin on control arm ill allow it because couldn't think of a rule in my box it should be a option to all drivers to go with suspension and almost same with folded and double like the other car and it's only welded at the bolt
Too many rules.
Smokin butts pounding water!! he is nervous about all the cheating he has going on!
This is why this sport will die within the next 5 years.
15:47 you don't look at other guys cars,,,,,, smells like cattle all of sudden
LOL Good Lord what a bunch of crap for a demo derby! Kick the windows out slap a cage in and have at it!
It would be funny to see him get busted cheating on his wife,,
he would have a good excuse for every pump.
What a joke!
It's funny to me that this dude obviously called everything in and checked to make sure shit was in spec, and their still being Karen's. Now yes, people are sneaky fuckers but...... why be Karen's when the name of the game is to destroy what you just built.
Bullshit. He called them to confuse the issues. Especially since these inspectors get calls from 20 fifteenth drivers constantly. They know the inspectors get confused. I have been doing derbies for 30yrs. It's nothing new
@@je5635 your right, the only spec or build is the one that wins. Sorry for speaching out of term. Long live the dark ones.
This driver could sell ice to an Eskimo
8500 lbs?? These are tanks. Not derby cars.