Wing Tsun vs Boxing / K1 Fighter

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  • Опубликовано: 3 дек 2024

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  • @JKDVIPER
    @JKDVIPER 5 дней назад +27

    This was one of the most realistic street fight tutorials ive ever seen. You had a k1 kickboxer, who knows some nasty vingtsun too, try n haymaker you hand over hand, witu REALISTIC STRIKING in circles, and the method he collected with was perfect. He shifted with him, isolated his power, controlled him, and took his centerline. ☺️💯 Top level.

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +3

      @@JKDVIPER Much appreciated. Glad you like it

    • @JKDVIPER
      @JKDVIPER 5 дней назад +2

      @MYVLMA good effort with a payoff. Deep. That was so Leung Ting. People don't realize how STREET that style is. I see it. 💯

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад +1

      I suppose he is not active anymore, not much to find about Tolga

    • @JKDVIPER
      @JKDVIPER 5 дней назад +1

      @FuryoTokkosho still, that's ill right. 🙏

  • @sebaom3743
    @sebaom3743 5 дней назад +14

    I practice wing chun and fight with wing chun almost 25 years or more , and this is the way i used and teach to my students , its a overpowerfull style if with u cleary understand the system , excelent video and way to show how wing chun works , and yeah i used in street fight , sport like box , kick boxing and have some champions stundent from tae kwon do too , they use a lot , i write this comment cuz wing chun deserve to put in the place that deserve , thx for create this channel sifu

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +3

      @@sebaom3743 Thank you very much for your comment! Much appreciated

  • @jameslim2002
    @jameslim2002 5 дней назад +7

    Thank you for doing justice to the art. Not enough people in wing chun and the chinese martial arts community train with people from other arts. Our knowledge will grow only when we train with people from different backgrounds. Please do more videos and show how wingchun can be applied to other martial arts, such as tkd (which focuses on long range kicks), muay thai (close combat) etc... Appreciate your time and effort 👍

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +1

      @@jameslim2002 Thank you! Much appreciated

  • @DarkLight-Ascending
    @DarkLight-Ascending 5 дней назад +20

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
    This vid is a direct response to the comment in the last vid that said wing chun won't work against boxing.... ❤ milo goes for the jugular every time. I'm here for it.

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +4

      @@DarkLight-Ascending 😉 💯👍

    • @DarkLight-Ascending
      @DarkLight-Ascending 5 дней назад +3

      @MYVLMA I pay attention

    • @Johnacegaynor
      @Johnacegaynor 4 дня назад

      Lol do live sparring then against a real boxer?

    • @Johnacegaynor
      @Johnacegaynor 4 дня назад

      Feint a hook go for the double leg take down and gg. This bullshido will never work

    • @tahirhubbard7633
      @tahirhubbard7633 3 дня назад

      It's easier said than done, a real boxer ain't no joke or real fighter for that matter that's why Jeet Kune Do was created to mix other styles into Wing Chun and make it work for you, Absorb what's useful and chisel away the useless Bruce Lee quote

  • @peterpancik5176
    @peterpancik5176 5 дней назад +5

    I like these videos, thank you for sharing them!

  • @mr.t2631
    @mr.t2631 5 дней назад +2

    Aaahhh. SiFu! Es ist schon wieder eine sehr geile Impression. Das werde ich auf jeden Fall im Team angehen. Sehr cool. Danke dafür.

  • @bradharris
    @bradharris 5 дней назад +9

    Great stuff...

    • @JKDVIPER
      @JKDVIPER 5 дней назад +1

      Wow, that is real talk. ☕☺️

  • @heimihenderson4543
    @heimihenderson4543 5 дней назад +11

    I was always impressed by the skill & fighting ability of some of the German WT guys, particularly Ulli Portsteffen & Christian Feldmeier - Ulli (RIP) was a very good technician and teacher, whilst Christian was a great street fighter who took on and beat a lot of other Wing Chun Sifu’s (Austin Goh, Eddie Yeoh, Derek Jones, Victor Kan, Nino Bernardo etc) back in the day, as well as a number of other martial artists and pro boxers. Nice, humble guy, who could really fight and was probably the best fighter at the time in the German WT Leung Ting/Keith Kernspecht association.

    • @amospizzey1
      @amospizzey1 5 дней назад +1

      I trained under the late Derek Jones also Simon Lau back then
      There was no German instructor that challenged / fought Austin / Eddie / Derek and Victor ( who was older ) that I remember ?
      Derek fought Bob Sykes in an open challenge through the martial alerts press ( I was there )
      And Emin fought William Cheung .
      That’s all we all new about in the UK MA community ( both challenges were covered - see RUclips today for record )
      Please let me know ( genuinely) if you have any details about the other challenge matches you mentioned above ?

    • @heimihenderson4543
      @heimihenderson4543 5 дней назад +5

      @@amospizzey1 These were not so much challenge matches but let’s just call them extremely competitive and lively chi-sau sparring that in some cases ended up with a bloodied nose (in the case of Eddie Yeoh) etc. I think this was around 1985 give or take a year or two when Feldmeier came over to the UK to teach some seminars and trained with each of these instructors. It was interesting to get Christian’s insight into the abilities of the different Sifu’s since it was at the height of the William Cheung ‘I can beat anyone’ hype (wasn’t the Jones-Sykes fight partly as a result of this?). From memory Feldmeier mentioned that Austin Goh was the best WC guy he faced in the UK - both in terms of technical skills and fighting ability. I personally found Christian and some of the other German WT guys to be really good fighters when at the time a lot of UK WC guys were great technically but lacked real fighting experience or didn’t incorporate hard sparring in their training, whereas it was clear that most of the German guys were good at both.

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад +1

      Sounds like all the controversy similiar to wong jack man and bruce lee, just movie fiction

    • @amospizzey1
      @amospizzey1 4 дня назад +2

      @ great insight brother .
      As a boy I trained under Derek right in the middle of the so called “ wing chun wars “ having some overview of these instructors ( all good ) Derek was by far the most “ effective “ in reality .
      You’re 100% correct he switched from Victor Kan to William Cheung before I started ( the whole secret style story is absolutely rubbish as we now now post Emin )
      Like William Cheung Derek had an open challenge that Bob Sykes ( great fighter and good man ) accepted through combat magazine.
      We all went up to Huddersfield from London to witness the fight ( no rules / no time limits - this was before UFC1 so truly ground breaking) the fight lasted approximately 8/9 mins ( long time in a real fight ) and ended when Bob dropped Derek with a right cross ( Bob went in to be a serious kick boxer ) both men ended the match as friends / both sustained some damage , both men deserve respect as they were the only ones as far as I know to actually show up and fight based on the challenge.
      This was a life changing moment for me as I clearly saw the limitations of the WC system in reality ( Derek was really good )
      First at long range ( it’s not always possible to apply forward pressure on a good boxer belive me I’ve tried ) second the fight went to the ground 2/3 times and as neither fighter had BJJ / grappling nothing happened.
      I rerturned to traditional Shotokan under Enoeda Sensie and a few years later was badly beaten by a boxer ( I was an idiot as a boy ) I then went seriously into kickboxing/ boxing for many years then took up bjj about 7 years ago .
      Today at 57 I train both MMA and BJJ regularly here in LA ( I’m old and slow but martial arts are a foundation part of my life and development as a man )
      Recently I’ve started being able to understand Chi Sau in a clinch / grappling concept ( BJJ is a bit like full body Chi Sau ) I also spent a few years back then under Simon Lau and his style of WC was MUCH more hardcore ( chi Sau with mouth guards / felt more like wrestling in a clinch )
      IMHO he has produced the best WC fighters in the UK ( Wei Po Tang / Gary McKenzie / James Sinclair etc though all left and have their own great schools now )
      The main thing I’ve learnt is ALL effective fighting styles ( boxing / kickboxing/ Muay Thai/ wrestling/ BJJ / judo / MMA etc ) have one thing in common ,
      ALL are based around pressure tested competitive hard sparring at their foundation core ( every one )
      Notice there is never any question as to which version is best as all are routinely required to fight opponents to answer the question repeatedly.
      The real problem with the “wing chun wars “ was that no one really fought and so believed they could based on classmates or some poor unsuspecting guy on the street .
      Fortunately post UFC anyone can now go to an MMA gym and politely ask to spar and VERY quickly find out exactly what works and what doesn’t.
      Best advice re what’s effective….
      Watch the receiver in any demo ,
      If he’s going along with it it’s a demo ,
      any one who’s any good teaching single combat should readily be able to demonstrate live sparring with a trained opponent ( various intensity but always live )
      I belive there is value in all systems ( I practiced Sil Lim Tao and Chum Kiu this morning ) however we need to make them work in real time with live trained opponents.
      Love and respect to all who train 🥋🙏🏻

    • @amospizzey1
      @amospizzey1 4 дня назад +2

      @@FuryoTokkosho see below
      The Derek / Bob match is documented in various forms on the internet
      It happend
      I belive they were the only fighters who accepted the open WC challenge back then ( mid 80’s )

  • @vartago
    @vartago 5 дней назад +4

    Finally this is for real.

  • @andre-px8rv
    @andre-px8rv 5 дней назад +2

    Such a great video and demonstration

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад

      Thanks, glad you liked it!

  • @blackler3187
    @blackler3187 5 дней назад +5

    I love your videos, addicted even! I just wanted to politely request if possible a future video showing what you do for a daily routine for example strengthening the knees, legs, core etc if possible pretty please? How many days you train, not only wing chun but muscles and including rest days, preferably home workouts that we could also include to help with our training.

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  3 дня назад +1

      @@blackler3187 Thanks for your comment. We have a video on how to train for low elbow force that you can start on and will be doing some conditioning videos soon. I train daily for a few hours whether it’s forms, strength or cardio and teaching. Rest is on Sunday’s.

  • @nogsuukaao2142
    @nogsuukaao2142 День назад +1

    Bist du in Berlin? Gibt es ein Seminar mit dir??

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  День назад

      Yes it was this past weekend.

    • @nogsuukaao2142
      @nogsuukaao2142 День назад +1

      @MYVLMA Missed it. Darn! Is there a schedule scheme where students in Germany can participate?

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  День назад

      @ visit the website but always be ready for surprises.
      www.030wt.de
      www.0331wt.de

  • @tommoore7348
    @tommoore7348 4 дня назад +1

    Great stuff! I don't know anything about Wing Tsun but you seem to be able to answer a lot of difficult questions with it

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  4 дня назад +1

      Glad you like it. Much appreciated!

  • @TomFurman
    @TomFurman 5 дней назад +2

    Excellent work

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад

      Thanks! Glad you liked it.

  • @DarkLight-Ascending
    @DarkLight-Ascending 5 дней назад +7

    Big dude can bang.

  • @johnnathan2149
    @johnnathan2149 5 дней назад +6

    Hello Sifu Milos! You are saying that you need to "step back with somekind of continues bongs"?... Do you need some hi-physical strength for that? Because he is moving in with his hole body, with massive amount of power coming through his body-weight and his hands... and, can really a backstep bong defend this atack? I don't know... I will try it... But If didnt get it that in the right way, please correct me! Thank you!

    • @macruizphotography
      @macruizphotography 5 дней назад +3

      dont forget bong is a deflection not a stop, backing up reduces on coming power. this was the exact thing anderson silva did in his fights back step bong to clench or kick

    • @johnnathan2149
      @johnnathan2149 5 дней назад +2

      ​@@macruizphotography Thnx! I'm just wondering how the shoulder will stand this kind of hit and deflect it... or maybe I'm gonna pain my shoulder! I'll try it tho... to see how it works! Thank you for your answer!

    • @macruizphotography
      @macruizphotography 5 дней назад +1

      @@johnnathan2149 come back with ur results. I think you will be amazed

  • @acd-combatives
    @acd-combatives 5 дней назад +3

    Thanks for the video. I love how you frame and convert to elbows, etc. Can you do a video on the name difference of Wing Chun vs. Wing Tsun? thanks...

    • @macruizphotography
      @macruizphotography 5 дней назад +1

      @acd-combatives from what I gather it's two different schools of thought that broke off some time ago.
      Essentially they are the same thing with small variances in disagreements in theory.

    • @macruizphotography
      @macruizphotography 5 дней назад +1

      @@acd-combatives Wing Chun generally seen as more traditional, focusing on preserving historical techniques and lineage, while Wing Tsun is considered more adaptable and innovative, emphasizing a scientific approach to close-range combat with a focus on practical application in modern situations
      AI quote. Seems to check out.

    • @kampfkunstschulendrakulicm2480
      @kampfkunstschulendrakulicm2480 5 дней назад

      @@acd-combatives Glad you like the video, we will shoot a video about the difference between WC and WT soon.

  • @rickeymckissick2065
    @rickeymckissick2065 13 часов назад

    That’s a very interesting statement He didn’t explain that the way he approached that hook he was using his movements. That’s what makes a box extremely dangerous when they approach is Punches is why their punches are different. When are added to Bob and weave in which it creates a slip a snapback or roll? It makes those punches harder to block with. They actually move in with their foot work but that’s very interesting about how he show it but he didn’t explain why these punches are harder it’s really because if you look at how he’s throwing those punches , he’s actually doing the Bob and weave in approach. You have to remember when a boxer is throwing a budget they Move their head like a swivel when they’re actually moving forward, or move in different directions with their creating angles to throw those punches, but what he shows is excellent, but he didn’t actually explain with the details about the way he’s throwing those punches at him

  • @chuckguyett585
    @chuckguyett585 5 дней назад +2

    Excellent content, very street oriented!

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад

      Thank you, much appreciated. 👍

  • @Mark-gz3zm
    @Mark-gz3zm 5 дней назад +1

    Nice video. How would you suggest dealing with a boxer like this with no room to move back?
    Also how to deal with a fast moving rapid combination fighter who feints and sets up multi angle strikes with hands and feet?

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад

      @@Mark-gz3zm we can do a video showing this. Thanks for your comments and questions.

  • @KevinNinjaKevin
    @KevinNinjaKevin 5 дней назад +3

    do you do training camps, drop in guest students, etc. i'd like to learn from you maybe sometime early next year when i have some vacation time and can get a few days or week off work maybe. it'll take me about 11-12 hours to drive there but seen several of your videos over the last couple days, enjoy the practical effectiveness of your wing chun, would definitely enjoy gaining some of your wisdom in person.

    • @kampfkunstschulendrakulicm2480
      @kampfkunstschulendrakulicm2480 5 дней назад +2

      Yes we do all of that, currently holding seminars in Berlin, will be back in the states next week. Drop in any time, call or email us first, we are moving to a new location.

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

      strange thing they never make public where the seminars are held

    • @KevinNinjaKevin
      @KevinNinjaKevin 5 дней назад +1

      @@kampfkunstschulendrakulicm2480 awesome!! i'll plan to reach out when i have some vacation time available, i'm not new at martial arts, i already have a tae kwon do, mma, and jkd background, currently back in mma but feel free to teach me as if i was new, when i come feel free to correct any bad habits weaknesses you see in me i won't be offended if you correct me i'll be grateful, that's how we grow, i believe in being open-minded and teachable as a martial artist :)

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +1

      @@KevinNinjaKevinlooking forward to it!

  • @Pieds-rouges
    @Pieds-rouges 5 дней назад +2

    great stuff ! But I wonder :
    in order for this to work, do you need your elbows above your opponent's elbows ? What if you are shorter than your opponent ?

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +2

      @@Pieds-rouges I am shorter than Tolga, your elbows need to be above your opponent’s fist.

    • @Pieds-rouges
      @Pieds-rouges 5 дней назад +1

      @@MYVLMA ok thanks Sifu !

  • @ninilab
    @ninilab 4 дня назад +1

    Tolga in der Lieblingsschule 😍

  • @FuryoTokkosho
    @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад +1

    Actually i tried a few times fighting price boxers to test if my kung fu is worth it, they kind of tried to corner and kill me at prime time, but it was still fun except for the overextended sinews in the neck from the few hooks that came through

  • @streetwiseguitar5113
    @streetwiseguitar5113 5 дней назад +2

    ❤ THIS 🎉 looking forward to our get together when you get back 💣

  • @thebaneking4787
    @thebaneking4787 5 дней назад +1

    Dudes got a crisp left.

  • @FuryoTokkosho
    @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

    Would you dare to do a short display with a price boxer on a fun fare? I suppose the rounds are fairly short there too, like 2 minutes?

  • @ПавлеОрловић-е3с
    @ПавлеОрловић-е3с 5 дней назад +3

    Просто ми нису јасни људи који имају потребу стално да упоређују стилове. Поента је да је Винг Чун ефикасан . Нити је сваки Винг Чун практичар непобедив ,нити је сваки боксер непобедив. Винг Чун је ефикасна борилачка вјештина и то види свако ко има борилачког искуства

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +2

      @@ПавлеОрловић-е3с Баш тако! Хвала ти на коментару

  • @minutemartialarts3152
    @minutemartialarts3152 5 дней назад

    Where do people learn to keep their elbows flared out like that when punching?! Get those elbows in!

  • @ВладиславТакойто
    @ВладиславТакойто 5 дней назад +1

    А где боксёр ??

  • @ralfhtg1056
    @ralfhtg1056 5 дней назад +1

    Germany? Where in Germany?

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад

      Potsdam and Berlin. Having an Escrima seminar today!

  • @FuryoTokkosho
    @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

    I wonder why he is so much unnecessary closing in? Its like with jeff chan pressure punching, you only need to duck and he tumbles over you. Good boxing punch has much more impact and speed by just lifting from the shoulder and then a short jerk from the hip to send your head flying

    • @stevemeisternomic
      @stevemeisternomic 5 дней назад +1

      It is not unnecessary closing in. It is part of the mentality you need to do effective wing chun. Wing Chun is about closing the gap, using your elbows and knees and overwhelming your opponents. Boxing is great when you can control the distance, but for cramped fighting it is less effective.

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

      @@stevemeisternomic Well there are many different types of boxers, there are outboxers and inside boxers. Boxing has very broad spectrum of opponents with different approaches you can face

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

      @@stevemeisternomic i still have to look at the leung ting books, some stuff milos shows looks promising, like self defence for women. But some stuffs looks very different like what you can see from a real wingchun practitioner see Project A | Lee Hoi San Interview and Wing Chun Demo

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

      @@stevemeisternomic By the way tolga was supposed to do boxing

  • @ultimaveritas1
    @ultimaveritas1 4 дня назад

    Wenn der Boxer eine Gerade macht, wirds schon etwas "schwieriger" oder ? Danke & besten Gruß 😎

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  4 дня назад +1

      Nein, es wird nach dem gleichen Prinzip vorgegangen.

    • @ultimaveritas1
      @ultimaveritas1 3 дня назад +1

      @@MYVLMA Ah okay .. dann super! 👍 & Danke für die schnelle Rückmeldung. LG

  • @TomFurman
    @TomFurman 5 дней назад

    EE

  • @hanspeter0007
    @hanspeter0007 5 дней назад +2

    Total bullshit. Show me your wing chun in a ring against someone who is really trying to hit you.

  • @robdye5885
    @robdye5885 5 дней назад +4

    That wasn't boxing!!😂 He was completely square on winging his punches from the side.Wing chun is all theory I've sparred so-called Wing chun practitioners they don't know how to deal with being punched. They panic! it's all If you did this, I'd do this move fights, don't happen like that. The best Wing chun master is Master Wong, a student of one Yip Man's direct students.He knows how violence works and really knows how to inflict real damage. This video I've got to say seems very unrealistic even the guys straight punches were coming from the side🤨

    • @ichimarugin1995
      @ichimarugin1995 5 дней назад +5

      Yeah sure..... Dream man...

    • @robdye5885
      @robdye5885 5 дней назад +1

      @ichimarugin1995 I was a competitive fighter. I don't need to dream. You keep dreaming that this garbage works!😂

    • @ichimarugin1995
      @ichimarugin1995 5 дней назад +1

      @robdye5885 oh i am sure you are a fighter, a keyboard fighter 😂 go back dreaming man

    • @MYVLMA
      @MYVLMA  5 дней назад +12

      @@robdye5885 So, you are dearly invited to come and make me panic or even better, Tolga is dearly waiting if you can show your superior moves of boxing to him.
      Don’t worry, everything will be live-streamed, so there will be no excuses for no one.
      You find us in Berlin www.030wt.de and in Florida as well www.my-vlma.com
      EXPERIENCE THE BEST!

    • @FuryoTokkosho
      @FuryoTokkosho 5 дней назад

      @@MYVLMA I suppose you would need to tell the village too

  • @streetwiseguitar5113
    @streetwiseguitar5113 5 дней назад +1

    ❤ THIS 🎉 looking forward to our get together when you get back 💣