Nesting “If Else” Can Seriously Damage Your Code Quality, Do THIS Instead In Python

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  • It’s very easy to fall into this trap with Python. You have a lot of conditions that depend on other conditions, and they all need to be handled appropriately. But that can easily become unmanageable, so it’s time we take a look at a good alternative; the guard clause pattern.
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  • @Natural_Power
    @Natural_Power Год назад +583

    You know your code's bad when it looks like HTML but isn't HTML

  • @andrespereira4852
    @andrespereira4852 15 дней назад +5

    Applied this to my pytho script and this changes the looks of my code 180 degrees. Thanks a lot for this little tuto. Here is your like and comment buddy

  • @coolcodingcat
    @coolcodingcat Год назад +84

    I used to do a lot of nesting of if statement, but that was because I had read and had been taught it was bad to have more than one return statement per function.

    • @nwoDekaTsyawlA
      @nwoDekaTsyawlA 7 месяцев назад +13

      else/if (elif) should solve the issue without having many return values. There is an example in another comment.
      Personally I think one or two guard clause are acceptable, three start to hurt readability and more can be as confusing as the alternative, because it's not easy to track below which variables are relevant and what are their values.
      Another alternative could be to do the validation in another function, especially if you need to do significant work in your main branch.

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 2 месяца назад +5

      As always it's a balancing act. Good quality code mainly should contain no unexpected surprises.
      A block of guard clauses at the top of a function is pretty straightforward and easy to follow, hence the early returns there aren't an issue. They actually make it _easier_ to reason about the code, because you know that you don't have to worry about the rest of the function - you just returned from it - whereas an if...elif...else cascade might still execute code somewhere further down the line.
      What's more problematic are early returns somewhere in the middle of a function. These are easier to miss, and require more reasoning about if/when/how they might get executed. Also at this point there are often already changes made to the program state which might need to be reverted before exiting.
      Early returns in the middle of a function are usually an indicator that the function is doing too much and should be split up.
      This is in my opinion the main characteristic of a "guard clause": it _prevents_ any state change if the _preconditions_ for the function to work are not met.

    • @apmcd47
      @apmcd47 2 месяца назад +5

      This is correct behaviour in languages like C where you have to do your own garbage collection. It's not a problem with Python. But it's probably good practice to look at nested conditions after you've written them, to see if any optimisation can be done, regardless of the language

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 2 месяца назад +3

      @@apmcd47 I'm not just talking about garbage collection, but any (partial) state change.
      A return in the middle of a function means that there is code that _does_ something before it, and there is also code that _would_ do more after it. Whatever that "something" is, it might have changed the state of the program (or even the system). Maybe it's just e.g. an empty file that was created but never written to, but without analyzing the function code you'll never know if it wasn't something more intricate.
      Hence having returns only at the very beginning (guard clauses) and the very end (single exit point) makes it easier to reason about the program. Because then you know that it's "all or nothing".

    • @apmcd47
      @apmcd47 2 месяца назад

      @@stephanweinberger I was replying to the original post in this thread, not your reply

  • @waffle8364
    @waffle8364 8 месяцев назад +38

    This is also called inversion of your if statements. handle the sad paths first by inverting the statements, this forces the sad paths to the top

    • @nialltracey2599
      @nialltracey2599 Месяц назад

      No it's not.
      It's not much different from inverting if statements in terms of functionality, but conceptually his guard clauses are very different.
      Personally I'm wondering why he didn't even mention the inverted if pattern and the way it makes elif an easy way to avoid nesting.
      Having a return in a guard clause is an invitation to spaghetti land.

  • @sagshah10
    @sagshah10 Год назад +33

    Hi thank you for another good tutorial and please take this as positive critism. I agree with you about the issue of reducing else statements, however I dont agree with your suggested solution, you have unnecessary return statements which could be avoided using `elif` statements instead.
    Also I generally would have prefered one function call to print, here is my recommended solution for this:
    def go_online():
    message = 'You are online'
    if not connection:
    message = 'No connection...'
    elif not paid:
    message = 'User has not paid...'
    elif not internet:
    message = 'No Internet...'
    print(message)

    • @kai-o-kai
      @kai-o-kai 8 месяцев назад +5

      Sure, but what about if you need to be doing something other than printing a string?

    • @thunder____
      @thunder____ 4 месяца назад +7

      I think you're missing the point, the early returns are intentional and pretty critical to the role that guard clauses play.
      Consider a different scenario, with a function that reads and returns a value from a database, but it should only do so for someone with admin access. In that case, you could use a guard clause to check if the user doesn't have admin access, and if so, return an error message so it doesn't proceed, because you don't want the function to continue running once you've determined that the user is not an admin.
      So technically yes, it would be possible to achieve the desired goal for the particular function demonstrated in this video without doing early returns, but early returns are a feature, not a bug, of guard clauses. I think a different example function, or better yet, multiple example functions, would have made it clearer in the video.

    • @sagshah10
      @sagshah10 4 месяца назад +3

      Your both right and I am well aware what a guard clause is, but I was pointing out that it's irrelevant for the expressed example as you could have used else if statements to get the same outcome, which would have avoided multiple redundant return statements and make the code look cleaner in my opinion.
      But yes a guard clause (or what I often refer to as "early return") statement is far better when you have a conditional expression to end the progression of a function earlier.

    • @banderfargoyl
      @banderfargoyl 24 дня назад

      Yep, is this how to code an if-else ladder. In C you'd be declaring variables in the inner blocks, to keep them closest to where they're used. Can't do that if you just bail out with a return.

  • @AWriterWandering
    @AWriterWandering 2 месяца назад +23

    As an alternative to returning, you can also use ‘elif’.
    if not connection:
    ….
    elif not paid:
    ….
    This will have similar functionality, except instead of returning, it jumps down to the bottom of the if-elif-else block.
    Personally, I do just used the return , but there are programmers who don’t like the idea of early returns.

    • @apmcd47
      @apmcd47 2 месяца назад +2

      Personally in this case I would use a variable called message (or msg), setting it as I go through the various conditions.The last two lines would be to print the message and return. Even better, by presetting the message to "You are online" and testing only for offline you don't need any else clauses at all! For this scenario.

    • @robertkelleher1850
      @robertkelleher1850 2 месяца назад

      @@apmcd47As you said, for this scenario, that works for this simple example which just prints a string, but there are usually lots of code and more complicated checks involved real programs. In those cases, the elif construction can also help.

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 2 месяца назад +7

      @@apmcd47 Now you've introduced _additional_ complexity (and memory consumption, and execution time) just to return a constant.

    • @apmcd47
      @apmcd47 2 месяца назад

      @@stephanweinberger Your opinion. I did say for this specific case.

    • @jeromemoutou9744
      @jeromemoutou9744 Месяц назад +1

      ​@@apmcd47 it's not really an opinion when you are adding more memory consumption and execution time.

  • @Notmoyo
    @Notmoyo Год назад +7

    I can't thank you enough, keep these amazing videos coming please!

  • @tylerbakeman
    @tylerbakeman 27 дней назад +1

    I don’t usually run into this issue. Usually it’s something like:
    void f(){
    Element e=value;
    if(e != null){
    if(collection.contains(e)){
    // single block
    }
    }
    }
    Your demo says to invert it into this:
    void f(){
    Element e=value;
    if(e!=null)
    return;
    if(collection.contains(e)){
    // single block
    }
    }
    Weird.
    The compiler should skip the second if statement im both cases (assuming it fails the first one). Your approach does highlight a common topic- if the bools are dependent/ independent on the previous bool, then that should affect the nesting.
    Some benefits to this inversion: possibly saving memory (less localized variables), which helps performance a little. Modularization- it’s more organized (in your case).
    Personally, I think this technique might be compiler specific. I think we shouldn’t be worrying about our branching statements ~this much - again, they run in O(1), and aren’t the bottleneck of performance - so a lot of projects really wouldn’t benefit from making this change. I think what your teaching is really niche, and doesn’t really apply to many situations, where it benefits them - a lot of nested-if statements are inter-functional, and we can’t always adopt methods for control flow in them. I think youre tackling an “issue”, that isn’t an issue: why are we trying to make coding more complicated? (In your case, it is more readable- In my case, it is less readable). While I appreciate the very small amount of saved memory, I also think it’s important to recognize that the compiler might perform worse - transversals of if statements could affect its ability to optimize the cycle times of them.

  • @Zhiroc
    @Zhiroc 2 месяца назад +1

    This is fine if your conditions are prerequisites, and you can "fail fast". And I agree that reducing nesting is an admirable goal. But a lot of situations are more nuanced than this where conditions are not fail/success, and where you sometimes have to "unwind" yourself to clean up things when a failure does occur. Also, it's not good to fail "too quickly" as it's annoying when something tells me I have something wrong, I correct it, and then it tells me the next thing that's wrong when it could have told me about it in the first place.

  • @odorikakeru
    @odorikakeru 2 месяца назад +3

    Now, as a bonus challenge, rewrite this code to comply with one of the strict industrial standard coding guidelines (the old MISRA standard comes to mind), where each function is allowed a single return path (no more, no less).
    Guard clauses are a great coding technique for avoiding indentation and keeping code readable. But early returns are an all-too-common source of bugs.
    In your example at 3:52 would work better with “elif” and “else” anyway.

  • @kutilkol
    @kutilkol 2 месяца назад +2

    What is really cool, you made ~2 minutes topic somehow into 8minutes. That's real skillz.

    • @Indently
      @Indently  2 месяца назад +2

      Something even more cool, is that you can half that time by setting the playback speed to 2x on RUclips :)

  • @kevon217
    @kevon217 Год назад +1

    Great tip. Much cleaner and readable.

  • @iamshiva003
    @iamshiva003 8 месяцев назад

    What is the theme setup used in this video?

  • @Thorrief
    @Thorrief 2 месяца назад +21

    Good knowledge. Enough content to fill one minute video only, though.

  • @federicoperalta140
    @federicoperalta140 Год назад +8

    Can you do a quick follow-up video to check time efficiency?

  • @iLeno
    @iLeno 16 дней назад +1

    It is way more efficient to use Enums and byte flags + byte shifting to handle this, more readable and 0 if/else statements.

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      Can you explain how to do that? I was wanting to do something like what you seem to be saying, but Python got angry with me. I've never coded in Python before so this was my first program:
      if not(connection and paid and internet and online):
      print 'Sorry there was a problem:',
      print 'there is no conection.'*(not connection),
      print "you did not pay." *(not paid),
      print "internet is not detected."*(not internet),
      print "not online."*(not online)
      else:
      print('connecting...')

  • @TheBayru
    @TheBayru 11 месяцев назад +6

    This would be textbook case for "easier to ask forgiveness than permission" style in python?
    try: connect()
    except connection_error, payment_error, no_internet_error, user_not_online_exception: solve_the_problem

    • @apmcd47
      @apmcd47 2 месяца назад

      Four functions, each raising an exception or calling the next function? And why have multiple exceptions when you can do "raise connection_error("Please pay your bill")?

  • @etgaming6063
    @etgaming6063 Месяц назад +1

    I find that basic solutions are often the best solutions🙌

  • @moroboshidan7960
    @moroboshidan7960 8 месяцев назад +7

    I have a bit of a resistance for using more than one return into a function.

    • @erik....
      @erik.... 3 месяца назад +2

      Why? That doesn't make any sense.

    • @moroboshidan7960
      @moroboshidan7960 3 месяца назад +5

      @@erik.... Because I like having one entry and one exit point, I think it's clearer.
      I understood the concept, I know it works, but years and years doing it another way is something hard to break.

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 2 месяца назад

      ​@@moroboshidan7960 is it really clearer when several execution paths go over the whole function, and all but one of them (hopefully) without actually executing anything?
      With nested if...else blocks, or even an (already better) if...elif...else cascade you still have to scroll down to make sure that nothing else gets executed before the return. Deeply nested if...else constructs also have the disadvantage that you even have to scroll down just to see what happens in the 'else' case does (hopefully without losing the indentation level).
      Guard clauses with early return make it _much_ easier to reason about the code: If a precondition is not met you are _guaranteed_ that nothing happens (because the return is right there).
      That said: _after_ the guard clauses it's usually better to have only one more exit point. Early returns somewhere in the _middle_ of a function are a completely different thing; easy to miss, often very hard to reason about, and often also requiring cleanup to partial state changes before the return (which is a very common place for introducing bugs).
      Such early returns in the middle of a function are usually a sign that the function is doing too much and should be split up.

    • @DaMu24
      @DaMu24 2 месяца назад

      ​@@moroboshidan7960well, don't be taught bad things from bad schools

    • @jerryhall5709
      @jerryhall5709 Месяц назад +2

      Can use a similar pattern when printing error messages except you just add text to a string. If the string has zero length after all the if-statements you run the function and return. Only requires one return. Alternatively a boolean flag that represents an error. Booleans are powerful when it comes to control the flow of the program.

  • @erik....
    @erik.... 3 месяца назад +1

    I always use this way nowadays to get rid of unnecessary intendation. I call it the "return early" pattern.

  • @PrasenjitBardhan
    @PrasenjitBardhan Месяц назад

    The same effect of "return" in the guard method can be replicated in the main code using "if" and "break" to avoid nested "else".

  • @ariaden
    @ariaden 26 дней назад

    “It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission”
    In other words, code only the happy path, and let caller deal with (implicitly raised) exceptions if something goes wrong.

  • @DanielLenrd
    @DanielLenrd Год назад +7

    I like to make those statements one liners
    if not connection: return print("No connection")

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      if not(connection and paid and internet and online):
      print 'Sorry there was a problem:',
      print 'there is no conection.'*(not connection),
      print "you did not pay." *(not paid),
      print "internet is not detected."*(not internet),
      print "not online."*(not online)
      else:
      print('connecting...')

  • @amacleod1983
    @amacleod1983 2 месяца назад +1

    Also useful if you need to add another condition later on in an update. 😊

  • @keanukim2198
    @keanukim2198 8 месяцев назад

    THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO!❤

  • @PKOVBPK
    @PKOVBPK 4 месяца назад +1

    Hi Man I have one question and I can´t find answer. I read temperature which is float number. I have some zone from -10 to 10. And when I break this zone from outside I want to make action. if temperature > -10: do someting. elif temperature < 10: Do someting. But what is my problem? When I run microcontroler and actual temperature is -5.5. So I need to know how to specify the barier that when I´m already inside zone from -10 to 10 to do nothing. And when I break zone from outside to iside do what I want. I hope it´s clear. Can you help me how to solve it? Thank you so much :)

    • @supermalavox
      @supermalavox 2 месяца назад +1

      Have you tried to use = to solve your problem?
      You can use >= -10 for the lower boundary and , using elifs.!

  • @OneWeirdDude
    @OneWeirdDude 2 месяца назад +2

    2:22 Instead of "return", why not use elifs?

  • @InuYasha-SitBoy
    @InuYasha-SitBoy 4 месяца назад +3

    if your going 3 or more deep i agree if statements make it more confusing. although nesting 2 or 3 IMO makes the code way more readable. it depends on the project though i guess

    • @Indently
      @Indently  4 месяца назад +3

      True, always depends on the scenario :)

    • @SpencerP96
      @SpencerP96 2 месяца назад

      More than 1 nested layer (so total 2 conditional layers) is unreadable.
      Even if you don’t like the returns from guards and don’t want the else ifs from the other solution, you can still extract all that inner nested logic out to a function that just returns you something.
      You can even return an Enum that’s a range of values indicating if something had an error or if it was a success or if something else happened etc etc

    • @m.moonsie
      @m.moonsie 19 дней назад

      3 nested if is readable for you?? You have robot eyes? We use this guard pattern so that it is easier to read and maintain for the other developers.

  • @BarDots315
    @BarDots315 25 дней назад +1

    So multiple returns is better than nested if?

  • @xsamueljr
    @xsamueljr 2 месяца назад

    If you're doing a small script, you could also use `exit()` to stop the program

  • @v3rlon
    @v3rlon 18 дней назад

    Logically, these do not achieve quite the same thing, depending. If there is not an internet connection BECAUSE they haven’t paid, you would get no internet before fail to pay, for example.
    Even reversing the if statements without the function could allow you to improve the nesting situation.

  • @LegionLeague
    @LegionLeague 7 месяцев назад +1

    What about creating helper functions for each "if"? E.g. check_connection(), check_payment(), etc that return a boolean. And then the go_online() function would look like:
    def go_online():
    if all(check_connection(), check_payment(), check_internet()):
    print("You are online!")
    Would that work?

    • @eric1342
      @eric1342 7 месяцев назад +2

      at that point you might aswell just check the variables rather than using functions that return a boolean

    • @PS3PCDJ
      @PS3PCDJ 7 месяцев назад +2

      You could do that, but then you wouldn't know where a potential problem with the connection lies.

    • @loloquaker
      @loloquaker 2 месяца назад

      instead of doing multiple functions, you can make a single generator that handles all your checks.
      def go_online():
      def checks():
      yield is_connection_ok
      yield is_payment_ok
      yield is_internet_ok
      if all(checks()):
      print("You are online!")
      I'm not sure i would actually use it, but i'd still prefer to do this than slapping all method in the "all".

    • @pattyspanker8955
      @pattyspanker8955 28 дней назад

      Sure, but this fragments your code with higher order functions for something you could easily leave inline

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      if not(connection and paid and internet and online):
      print 'Sorry there was a problem:',
      print 'there is no conection.'*(not connection),
      print "you did not pay." *(not paid),
      print "internet is not detected."*(not internet),
      print "not online."*(not online)
      else:
      print('connecting...')

  • @jakecomay9138
    @jakecomay9138 Год назад +12

    Can't you just do:
    if not internet:
    print("No internet")
    elif not paid:
    print("user has not paid")
    else:
    print("You are online")
    it seems a lot more readable and it less lines of code

  • @hemanth8195
    @hemanth8195 Год назад

    this really getting compact with those conditions 🤟🏾 me too not a fan of nested condition ,What if dependency b/w condition any idea ,

  • @pragyanOne
    @pragyanOne 2 месяца назад +6

    Indently urging us not to indent... irony.

  • @luftstolle
    @luftstolle 2 месяца назад

    That's a great way to make the code short and concise! Now, if we could just invent a way to make videos short and concise...

  • @michaelhoffmann2891
    @michaelhoffmann2891 2 месяца назад +2

    A switch/case statement block would help here, but I doubt we'll ever see that in Python. There seems to be almost ideological opposition to it. One thing that I really welcomed when I started writing more Go code (despite a lot of issues where I wish Go had gone the Python route).

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger Месяц назад +1

      Since switch/case is just labels and gotos in disguise (and cannot be easily rewritten as if/elif internally, because of the fall-through capability) it will probably never be added to python.
      (And if you implemented the variant where each case only executes the associated code block, i.e. without requiring a 'break', then there's not really much difference to if/elif, so why bother in the first place.)

    • @Bien100
      @Bien100 17 дней назад

      Since Python 3.10 Switch/Case is available but called Match/Case 😊

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 17 дней назад

      @@Bien100 see the end of my comment (the part in brackets).
      match/case in python is just if/elif written differently. It is _not_ a C-like implementation with fall through.

    • @michaelhoffmann2891
      @michaelhoffmann2891 17 дней назад

      @@Bien100 Ugh. Impossible to keep up, especially when you work in corporate/prod environment where you have to stay backwards compatible. I'm sometimes still stuck with enforcing version 3.8.

  • @ItsDeeno69
    @ItsDeeno69 19 дней назад

    Can anyone tell me why did he used a function but not wrote only ifs

  • @fr9714
    @fr9714 2 месяца назад

    Technically this is still good code as in it works and does the job. What it isn’t is manageable beyond a point.
    IMO good and bad can be subjective and some people prefer one style over another. And getting work done is always better than some fancy elegance no one can manage because it is too indented or too complex with jumps here and there to understand what is going on. Always should balance simplicity with management. Gift your future self

  • @chadify007
    @chadify007 29 дней назад

    What about making matrices instead?

  • @GordonJewman
    @GordonJewman 2 месяца назад

    This is amazing
    thank you

  • @sugo8920
    @sugo8920 9 месяцев назад +1

    never knew this is called a guard clause. i do this all the time because white space is an anti pattern. makes code too hard to read

  • @awakenedcrowl
    @awakenedcrowl 20 дней назад

    Huh. Somehow, I only now noticed that I kinda thaught this to myself without realizing.

  • @retrain35yo87
    @retrain35yo87 2 месяца назад

    good vids. concise..

  • @DevlogBill
    @DevlogBill Год назад +1

    Excellent video! After watching your video Python makes more sense.
    Question?
    Originally i am familiar with JavaScript for a little over 1 year. Just switched to Python because I will be focused on backend for the Meta course.
    From your personal experience do you feel learning Python gave you a better understanding of programming if you came from another programming language? Trying to understand how Python could improve my JavaScript Skills, thank you.

    • @Xctopz
      @Xctopz Год назад +2

      From my personal experience, I can tell that it's good to switch from a language to another, cause when you do, you're able to better understand some specific concepts that in another language, maybe didn't make a lot of sense, so yes you can learn a lot from every language you learn :)
      (Excuse my English)

  • @messikhchouaib8922
    @messikhchouaib8922 17 дней назад

    You could've done the same without defining a function.. just use if/elif/else statements with the same idea that you did inside that function (i.e. if not connected.. elif not paid.. etc.)

  • @KlausbergerYT
    @KlausbergerYT 7 месяцев назад +1

    Missed the chance to also show people the match-case in python, as that is the next logical thing that a dev needs to know.

    • @Indently
      @Indently  7 месяцев назад +2

      Match case is a completely other topic and is not a replacement for if else though.

  • @summussum7540
    @summussum7540 28 дней назад

    Just to clarify, “God clauses” or “guard clauses”?

  • @karlbraun9507
    @karlbraun9507 Год назад +7

    I'm not sure why Pythonistas avoid elif in cases like this. It's exactly why the switch/case statements are added to other languages. Someone else mentioned that old-school methods strongly favor a single return point (back to the days of hardware debuggers, I think - also mathematical proofs of function correctness), and tend to go there as well, but also readability for simple boolean checks like this. (Obviously doesn't really apply to more complex checks where the elif is working on different types of comparisons - not readable at all).

    • @jonathanbereyziat4063
      @jonathanbereyziat4063 Год назад +2

      Elif would simply not answer the problematic of multiple conditions to check and do something specific to handle the result. Switch is now available in python 3.11 but even if it would be way cleaner to use a switch/case statement (given a bit of refactoring of the conditions in a single variable with an enum or something similar) it would not be really useful if you have multiple boolean statements that you need to check in a row in a single place in the code (simply not worth it to refactor in this case to have pattern matchable variable)

    • @schwingedeshaehers
      @schwingedeshaehers 2 месяца назад

      ​@@jonathanbereyziat4063in this case, you could use elif, together with the guards
      if not connection:
      ...
      elif not ...:
      ...
      else:
      print("...")
      und hier sind wieder alle

    • @stephanweinberger
      @stephanweinberger 2 месяца назад +1

      with an if...elif cascade you'd still have to make sure that the function doesn't do something after the last check before returning. With a guard clause you can be _certain_ that nothing unintentional can happen if the precondition is not met.

  • @kadircalloglu2848
    @kadircalloglu2848 Месяц назад

    Is there any way of getting switch case from c# 😂

  • @samlebon9884
    @samlebon9884 2 месяца назад

    Pattern matching is much cleaner.

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      But is it easy for people to understand?

  • @lelokong6898
    @lelokong6898 2 месяца назад

    I do this also inside of loops, instead of breathing l nesting i just break or continue

  • @ccpsuck
    @ccpsuck 2 месяца назад

    What's the ide name?

  • @CoolModderJaydonX
    @CoolModderJaydonX Год назад

    I mean, I'd use an if statement with &&/and to check every one of those. Unless I am in a situation where I can use return if certain conditions aren't met.

    • @ArimasArtadi
      @ArimasArtadi 8 месяцев назад +2

      yes that would do in other example, but you won't get the exact messages

    • @m.moonsie
      @m.moonsie 19 дней назад

      How are you going to return the exact error messages if one of the variables is false?

    • @CoolModderJaydonX
      @CoolModderJaydonX 18 дней назад

      @@m.moonsie You know what, that's a fair argument.

  • @pietraderdetective8953
    @pietraderdetective8953 Год назад

    What about using np.select() ?

    • @Indently
      @Indently  Год назад

      Please share an example

  • @xavierwindon8968
    @xavierwindon8968 2 месяца назад +1

    And statement has left the chat:

  • @SentimentalMo
    @SentimentalMo 2 месяца назад

    God clause?
    I, guard clause Swift has this.

  • @sabuein
    @sabuein Месяц назад

    Thank you.

  • @moiattube
    @moiattube 2 месяца назад

    What about elif?

  • @NataliaBazj
    @NataliaBazj 2 месяца назад

    LOL! Here 3:11 is why to not do that: "And I forget to return..."

  • @fcox7015
    @fcox7015 8 месяцев назад

    dam not bad, nice vid

  • @watchingwolf8092
    @watchingwolf8092 Месяц назад

    Multiples returns inside function/class or anything else is a bad practice!

  • @ricgondo
    @ricgondo Год назад

    Nice! Is this a design pattern?

    • @Indently
      @Indently  Год назад +1

      The guard clause pattern was something I would see more in Swift to keep code clean. In Python it really depends on where you use it :)

  • @ChiliJ
    @ChiliJ 29 дней назад

    I keep hearing god clause...

  • @DreamsAPI
    @DreamsAPI 6 месяцев назад

    Subscribed

  • @Jkfgjfgjfkjg
    @Jkfgjfgjfkjg 20 дней назад

    Speaking of being concise, this video could've been 1/4 as long.

  • @someon3
    @someon3 15 дней назад

    Or use state machines

  • @lxathu
    @lxathu Год назад +3

    What we see here is not the problem of nesting ifs but the the biggest design flaw of Python: the lack of block closing symbol.

  • @jimmlmao
    @jimmlmao Год назад +1

    Why isnt my buddies `and` and `all` here!??

    • @Indently
      @Indently  Год назад

      Please pay attention to the concept of the video, not the example, because the example I created is for demonstration purposes only.

    • @jimmlmao
      @jimmlmao Год назад +1

      ​ @Indently Ohh im so sorry now i watched the video and understood the concept. And i was not trying to write this comment in a criticism-like way, i was making this Comment jokingly... again im so sorry

    • @Indently
      @Indently  Год назад +1

      No worries ahah. I appreciate the humour in the comments, so don’t stop :)

  • @war10zx98
    @war10zx98 Год назад +2

    Ahh yes, the yandev indentation.

  • @gachimuchienjoyer
    @gachimuchienjoyer 10 месяцев назад

    Yandev be like: we don’t do that here

  • @kellymoses8566
    @kellymoses8566 2 месяца назад +1

    Be a never-nester

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      There are dozens of us. I think.

    • @MsHojat
      @MsHojat 14 дней назад

      never have to nest when you write it all in assembly

  • @bodan1196
    @bodan1196 2 месяца назад

    So programming should be more like the sciencetific method; not proving, but excluding... go figure. :-)

  • @_TimNY_
    @_TimNY_ 28 дней назад

    def check_status(connection, paid, internet, online):
    if not connection:
    return 'No connection...'
    if not paid:
    return 'User has not paid...'
    if not internet:
    return 'No internet...'
    if not online:
    return 'You are offline'
    return 'You are online!'
    # Example usage:
    connection = True
    paid = True
    internet = True
    online = True
    status_message = check_status(connection, paid, internet, online)
    print(status_message)

  • @ukraineme96
    @ukraineme96 Год назад +2

    Instead of having a return command inside every if statement, couldn’t you turn them into elif statements?
    That way if one executes, the rest are skipped, no return command needed.
    Then at the end have an “else” statement that confirms you are online if none of the other elif statements trigger .

  • @moonhowler667
    @moonhowler667 Месяц назад

    Your more readable solution is longer.

    • @vt2788
      @vt2788 27 дней назад

      Not as long as mine though. Mine is the longest

  • @paulodetarso6252
    @paulodetarso6252 11 месяцев назад +1

    I m not a programmer, but using lists or dictionaries couldn't be even better, like this:
    connection=False
    paid=True
    internet=False
    online=True
    l=[ ( connection, 'Your connection is on', 'Your connection is off'),
    (paid, 'You have paid', 'You haven\'t paid'),
    (internet, 'No connection', 'Internet has offline'),
    (online, 'You are online', 'You aren\'t online')]
    for k,z,x in l:
    if k == True:
    print(f'{z}')
    else:
    print(f'{x}')
    Could you comment this code?
    TIA

    • @ArimasArtadi
      @ArimasArtadi 8 месяцев назад +4

      the complexity of this code is way to high.
      and this code don't have the same logic as the example.
      With the example, the logic are "if all condition met, do something. if not print the correct error message"

    • @paulodetarso6252
      @paulodetarso6252 8 месяцев назад

      @@ArimasArtadiThank you very much, now, indeed, it is returning better results.
      Some answers are quite precise, few mistakes and other are very funny, like this:
      "Try to find the word Saturn in Aristotle's Physic , if you can't find it, print the correct error message."
      Brad:
      The word "Saturn" is not used in Aristotle's Physics.
      Here is the error message:
      **Error:** The word "Saturn" is not used in Aristotle's Physics.
      I apologize for the inconvenience. I am still under development and learning to perform many kinds of tasks, including finding words in text. I will try my best to avoid making similar mistakes in the future.
      I would also like to add that Aristotle's Physics was written in the 4th century BC, and Saturn was not discovered until the 17th century AD. Therefore, it is not surprising that Aristotle does not mention Saturn in his Physics."
      If you have more tips or some indication to share, @Arimas, please do it. Thank you very much.

  • @kayakMike1000
    @kayakMike1000 2 месяца назад

    Ew... I was taught that early returns are baaad.

    • @marcindathefierce
      @marcindathefierce 2 месяца назад +1

      Why? I would somewhat agree for a function that returns a value: having too many exit points could indicate that a dictionary lookup would be a better pattern.
      But guard clauses seem especially useful in procedures (functions that return void). What's the problem with having early return when it isn't returning a value anyway and is only control flow?

    • @m.moonsie
      @m.moonsie 19 дней назад

      It's the opposite of bad. I'm curious who taught you that?

  • @bilalmsd07
    @bilalmsd07 8 месяцев назад

    No, I think creating a dictionary is a better option.

  • @josipdrazin6708
    @josipdrazin6708 Год назад +1

    Code damage is minor problem... I think that jumping from statement to variable to statement to function in memory can damage ram

    • @Indently
      @Indently  Год назад +3

      Do you mind sharing more on this topic? I would like to hear some examples :)

    • @josipdrazin6708
      @josipdrazin6708 Год назад +5

      @@Indently no... because i made that up. Though it is possible to reduce the ram lifetime by overheating it.

    • @vgm6025
      @vgm6025 8 месяцев назад

      @@josipdrazin6708 if poor code causes your ram to overheat, you have bigger problems

  • @kittu529
    @kittu529 2 месяца назад

    electricity = 1
    internet = 1
    laptop_charged = 1
    website_working = 1
    while 1:
    if not electricity:
    print('No electricity')
    break
    else:
    print('Electricity is available')
    if not internet:
    print('but no internet')
    break
    else:
    print('internet is available')
    if not laptop_charged:
    print('but laptop not charged')
    break
    else:
    print('laptop charged')
    if not website_working:
    print('but website not working')
    break
    else:
    print('website working')
    print("Transaction can be done")
    break

  • @ChrisBohling
    @ChrisBohling 2 месяца назад

    Birds build nests. I like birds. However, birds always code in binary. Thanks for the video.

  • @zd2600
    @zd2600 Год назад

    At 3:11, you just demonstrate a careless mistake using guard clause pattern, and make everyone "online". A better version (and faster by skipping the second if statement if there is no connection ) should be using elif, like below.
    >>> if not connection:
    ... print('no connection')
    ... elif not paid:
    ... print('not paid')
    ... elif not internet:
    ... print('no internet')
    ... elif not online:
    ... print('offline')
    ... else:
    ... print('You are online')
    ...

  • @waynelui1577
    @waynelui1577 18 дней назад +1

    我也不赞同他的这种写法,这种写法看似简洁,当情况更复杂时,return分支变多时,结构也就更混乱,逻辑也越不清晰。我见过那种代码,很难读。

  • @murphygreen8484
    @murphygreen8484 Год назад +1

    def mult_checks(check_dict: dict[bool]) -> bool:
    """ go through all items in dictionary
    making sure they are True """
    checks = all(list(check_dict.values()))
    # Passed
    if checks:
    print('You are online...')
    return True
    # Failed
    for k, v in check_dict.items():
    if not v:
    print(f'{k} Failed!')
    return False
    mult_checks({'online':True, 'paid': True, 'Internet': False})

    • @wartem
      @wartem Год назад +3

      Nice.
      check_dict.values() already returns a list. No need to use the list constructor on it.

    • @murphygreen8484
      @murphygreen8484 Год назад +1

      @@wartem thanks! That's even cleaner

    • @csbnikhil
      @csbnikhil Год назад +2

      @@wartemNit picking here, but the precise reason why it doesn’t need the list constructor is not because the values method returns a list, but that the all function takes any iterable.
      Edit: The return type of the values method isn’t exactly a list. It’s dict_values on Python 3.8.

    • @wartem
      @wartem Год назад +1

      @@csbnikhil That's true. The return type is 'dict_values'. The view object contains the values of the dictionary, as a list.