Rare footage of me uploading at a normal time (i fell asleep at my desk editing it last night) This is my first attempt at a "mini documentary" of sorts, let me know what you think. Documentaries aren't exactly something I could see myself doing often, but when I find something interesting I do like to talk about it lol
Interesting... I knew about the moratorium, but I didn't know about the merger talks between the two Borg railways, CN & BNSF. RIP WC Ltd. Realistically, any merger in my lifetime i.e. after 1951, resulted in a Borg railway, and Borgs keep growing. I'd love to hear of any spinoffs that last. FOXY in Wisconsin comes to mind, but in the long run, it is just a satellite of a Borg railway group and not an independent railway.
Who gives a hoot about the cn- bn merger that was long ago and never happened. Why don't u do a video on the cn- iowa northern railroad merger effective on Feb 13. The Iowa northern had so much potential to become a midwest class 2 powerhouse railroad that rivaled Iowa interstate railroad and Wisconsin Southern rr running from Iowa city- cedar rapids- cedar falls iowa- lyle- Austin and up the old Minneapolis Northfield & southern line to the twin cities. With another line going from Lyle mn- mason city- fort dodge- council bluffs iowa. Get in the game bud this bn- cn stuff is bench warmer material.
Yeah this concept is really good 👍 I'd recommend you documenting stuff like merge attempts or foamer terrorism attempts( yeah idk about the last one but who knows us foamers are getting to out of hand these days)
Bnsf wanted to buy British Columbia railroad, Canadian govt did not allow it and awarded bcol to cn. Now cn essentially has 2 parallel running lines in British Columbia. Many rail lines have been ripped out or mothballed because of class 1 mergers. Personally I think if class 1 railroads wanna merge, they should be forced to sell off some secondary lines to class 2 regional railroads (with no interchange blockade clauses in the contract) letting them take care of all the single car load traffic and letting the class 1 railroads retain their rights to unit trains originated on the spun off line. Lake state railroad is a prime example of this.
As a conductor for BNSF I am so glad that this didn't happen, having to call dispatch and be like yeah "BNCNSF / NAR 7298 East" would drive me insane lmao
TRAINS Magazine did an article on this years ago depicting what, as they called it, "the final round of mega-mergers" would possibly look like as an effect of a BNSF-CN merger, its quite an article!
Before CN was in the lineup to merge with KCS when CP won the bid to form CPKS. In the 1980's has many debating over the planned merger with SP and ATSF when many know at capitol hill when hearings were to drag on for days when minutes on the first day when senators shot down the merger when there was locomotives painted. In the mid 1990's when BN merged with ATSF to form BNSF. if the planned merger with CP and NS was approved to use the logo.
With the mix of power you see nowadays on trains you would think it was all one big merger anyway and they just hadn't got round to painting the locos yet. Love your content!
When i saw 3011 as the number at 2:20 i died inside as that is the number of a tram (streetcar) where i live (Melbourne Aus) that only has derailed like 5 or 6 times now idk. - 2008 hit a police car - 2013 hit a car at a grade crossing - 2016 hit a car again - 2019 hit a car which caused it to derail and smash into a house - 2023 hit a car on the same grade crossing
There was actually an NAR railway, ironically, taken over by CN called the Northern Alberta Railway. Look it up and see NAR on the side of locomotives and all of its glory.
That was such a moronic merge. SP freaked out when Kenefick told Ben Biagiani that they didn't't want to aquire SP at all in palm springs in 1976, because the environmentalists destroyed the timber industry, oil industry and auto manufacturing/parts manufacturing in California (This was the majority of SP traffic) When UP acquired Mopac and WP, Biagiani freaked out and tried to merge with Santa Fe. It would've never worked had approved, the state of California would still have two railroads like today (which isn't good the happy balance was always 3) and the southwest would've been a complete monopoly.
What really destroyed the Western rail system was the deliberate BN sabotage of the Milwaukee road, and the rock island being forced to declare bankruptcy sale, when stb refused to look at the books. The fact that those two rail systems weren't able to merge into either SP or UP has done more damage to the United States as whole more than anything else. The Milwaukee road in it's prime had a little over 60 hour time between Seattle and Chicago. The James hill syndicate up north, between GN, NP, SP&S and the cb&q was 30 hours slower. Loosing the Milwaukee road is the worst loss of the American railroad infrastructure.
Someday, I'm praying that BNSF will eventually make 1458 on a Gevo as a Heritage Unit. It would be the best day for all of us, not BNSF 1458 (the foamer)💀💀💀
0:14 I just watched a video about that bridge, anyway this proposed “north American railways” would probably become like a national railroad kinda like what Germany and Japan has
I remember that very well! I was a senior in high school when that was going down, and it was just insane to think about that this could've potentially happened! As bad as it is now in the Railroad industry now, it would probably be nothing compared to what it might have been if this merger was approved!
I read a statistic not too long ago that since 1996, BNSF has been directly, or indirectly responsible for 73% of ALL carload rail traffic growth in North America. One company responsible for all that growth. BNSF because of this still has one of the worst records for on-time delivery, even though a large percentage of growth came from intermodal, which has their best record for on time delivery. Other railroads have focused on streamlining and smoothing service to make up for and compete with BNSFs growth. The Canadian railroads having the best service metrics. So, when good customer service can't compete with growth anymore, it will force other railroads to merge. NS and CSX compete with each other as BNSF and UP, and CP competes with CN in Canada and the north-south traffic in the central US. Now if you look at which companies work together the most, BNSF and NS share alot of operations, and UP with CSX and CP. From an out of the loop, outside perspective - I could see UP and CSX merging in the next 15 years, which would force BNSF and NS to merge to stay competitive. Where the canadian railroads end up, I don't know but I'd think they would each need to pick a side eventually.
Lobbying is a lot like money itself. And Money, itself, is Sewage. Evidence that economic productivity happened. When you realize that, life gets a lot easier in weird ways. Lobbying is evidence that interests (somebody's, anybody's) exist. Lobbying isn't nearly as elegant a solution to the problem as Money is, though.
Haha, I remember being a 9 year old kid when this merger was happening. We all thought this would trigger the next wave of Class 1 mergers within five years or so but no Class 1s merged til CPKC. It's worth mentioning that in the mid 90s when CN was trying to privatize, CP tried to convince the Canadian government to sell the eastern half to CP (which led to the creation of the STLH subsidiary) and BN would get the western half of CN. So BN(SF)/CN almost was a thing twice.
I don't know why, but this is making me so mad Canadian national is not Canada's biggest railway. Canadian Pacific stands as Canada's biggest railway as of 2020.
After I saw the name I was like Neither government of either country would approve this would be a monopoly in two countries and one giant railroad it would force many short line to close that haul cargo between both railroads.
1:14 I am one of those. My Dad bought me 10 shares, when I was 7 lol. But in all seriousness, it’s because Canada’s biggest railway was being sold off at $2.25 a share. Lol
I, a disgusting, track-licking foamer, say that it would be kind of cool to see this happen. It would be a breath of fresh air to see new paint schemes (among other things, of course) among the rails.
Bnsf wanted to buy British Columbia railroad, Canadian govt did not allow it and awarded bcol to cn. Now cn essentially has 2 parallel running lines in British Columbia. Many rail lines have been ripped out or mothballed because of class 1 mergers. Personally I think if class 1 railroads wanna merge, they should be forced to sell off some secondary lines to class 2 regional railroads (with no interchange blockade clauses in the contract) letting them take care of all the single car load traffic and letting the class 1 railroads retain their rights to unit trains originated on the spun off line. Lake state railroad is a prime example of this.
Like up in your neck of the woods (Minnesota) as a condition of cp merging with kcs, they should have been forced to sell off (but retain rights to any unit trains that originate on those lines) the ex DME secondary trackage in south Minnesota and north iowa to class 2 railroads. Segment of line from; Huron south Dakota- win on a Minnesota goes to RCPE railroad, Fairmont- Austin Minnesota to Ellis & eastern railroad, Sheldon- mason city- Marquette Iowa to watch or maybe RJ corman railroads, faribault- owatonna- austin minnesota- mason city Iowa to maybe progressive rail, CIC, IAIS you name it, iowa northern would be the best fit for that corridor but sadly it looks like cn is about ready to buy absorb the ianr giving them a monopoly on rail lines in the cedar falls are and parallel running lines so maybe they should be forced into selling the line from Lyle m.n.- cedar falls. That topic is a whole new can of worms. -Steeverino
This makes me mad (The Railroad not you) CNSF (Canadian National Santa Fe) idea was bad but what would make us even more angry would be CSNS (Chesapeake Seaboard and Norfolk Southern) THAT WOULD TRIGGER US ALL
what do you think of it comments? honesly, im near a NS line and ive been seeing alot of BNSF, i think that if NS- oh wait.... that would be bad, uh yeaaaaa screw the maple syrup land and maple syrup ahh lookin paint schemes "cough cough BNSF" idk tho i like everything as it is soooo. also sidenote why the hell cant we vote "i say we as dumbfuck foamers" "sorry to say that about our kind but its true" we cant vote for the mergers
Rare footage of me uploading at a normal time
(i fell asleep at my desk editing it last night)
This is my first attempt at a "mini documentary" of sorts, let me know what you think.
Documentaries aren't exactly something I could see myself doing often, but when I find something interesting I do like to talk about it lol
NEW VID FROM THE HERITAGE!!
Interesting...
I knew about the moratorium, but I didn't know about the merger talks between the two Borg railways, CN & BNSF.
RIP WC Ltd.
Realistically, any merger in my lifetime i.e. after 1951, resulted in a Borg railway, and Borgs keep growing. I'd love to hear of any spinoffs that last. FOXY in Wisconsin comes to mind, but in the long run, it is just a satellite of a Borg railway group and not an independent railway.
Who gives a hoot about the cn- bn merger that was long ago and never happened. Why don't u do a video on the cn- iowa northern railroad merger effective on Feb 13. The Iowa northern had so much potential to become a midwest class 2 powerhouse railroad that rivaled Iowa interstate railroad and Wisconsin Southern rr running from Iowa city- cedar rapids- cedar falls iowa- lyle- Austin and up the old Minneapolis Northfield & southern line to the twin cities. With another line going from Lyle mn- mason city- fort dodge- council bluffs iowa. Get in the game bud this bn- cn stuff is bench warmer material.
Yeah this concept is really good 👍 I'd recommend you documenting stuff like merge attempts or foamer terrorism attempts( yeah idk about the last one but who knows us foamers are getting to out of hand these days)
Bnsf wanted to buy British Columbia railroad, Canadian govt did not allow it and awarded bcol to cn. Now cn essentially has 2 parallel running lines in British Columbia. Many rail lines have been ripped out or mothballed because of class 1 mergers. Personally I think if class 1 railroads wanna merge, they should be forced to sell off some secondary lines to class 2 regional railroads (with no interchange blockade clauses in the contract) letting them take care of all the single car load traffic and letting the class 1 railroads retain their rights to unit trains originated on the spun off line. Lake state railroad is a prime example of this.
Just by the title, that’s a cursed Railroad there I can’t even begin to imagine what the paint scheme would look like
Red bnsf
@ I guess in that case it would be BNCNSF haha
Red bnsf with h4 and cnsf lettering
All black, with WTF Lettering.
As a conductor for BNSF I am so glad that this didn't happen, having to call dispatch and be like yeah "BNCNSF / NAR 7298 East" would drive me insane lmao
I can't believe BNSF almost would've been the shortest lived merger before becoming Canadianized.
"Cartoon Network RR"
He said the quiet part out loud 😁
I thought of that before CartoonNetwork
One day all class 1 railroads will merge to form a biggest class 1 railroad ever
It sounds Nationalized
Cnsfcpkc North American railway
Or UP will buy them all
And we shall call it conrail
No. Too little competition, FRA will not allow it.
I'm personally surprised that NS and CSX haven't tried to merge, considering they "play with each other when we aren't looking"
WE GETTING CRAPPY MERGERS WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I can imagine if this merger did happen. I probably would’ve forced UP to go bankrupt, CSX and NS to merge and CP and KCS to merge 20 years earlier.
I think if CN didn't recently buy IC at the time, the merger with BNSF would've been approved.
TRAINS Magazine did an article on this years ago depicting what, as they called it, "the final round of mega-mergers" would possibly look like as an effect of a BNSF-CN merger, its quite an article!
Before CN was in the lineup to merge with KCS when CP won the bid to form CPKS. In the 1980's has many debating over the planned merger with SP and ATSF when many know at capitol hill when hearings were to drag on for days when minutes on the first day when senators shot down the merger when there was locomotives painted. In the mid 1990's when BN merged with ATSF to form BNSF. if the planned merger with CP and NS was approved to use the logo.
Name if CSX & NS merge: CNSX.
BNCNSF 🔥🔥🔥
A moratorium on rail mergers. Less to no competition.
I heard the whole CNSF merger idea was heavily pushed by Hunter Harrison back when he was the CEO of CN
0:19 losing great tax evaders,
0:20 losing bad mergers
0:21 and ones with millions of debt
Tell me if these comparisons are any good/accurate.
0:24 🤣😂 I was already thinking bruh what do you mean ATSF is bad and nobody knew about Conrail lol.
OK I am going to unsubcribe him
@@CDTX2052offical He was joking
@@CDTX2052officalbro he’s joking, He meant Penn Central is bad and ATSF and Conrail are the best
POV:CPKC watching unstoppable:Yes.Good.
Maple syrup land💀
With the mix of power you see nowadays on trains you would think it was all one big merger anyway and they just hadn't got round to painting the locos yet. Love your content!
When i saw 3011 as the number at 2:20 i died inside as that is the number of a tram (streetcar) where i live (Melbourne Aus) that only has derailed like 5 or 6 times now idk.
- 2008 hit a police car
- 2013 hit a car at a grade crossing
- 2016 hit a car again
- 2019 hit a car which caused it to derail and smash into a house
- 2023 hit a car on the same grade crossing
At least they scraped this merge
North American Railways. NAR. nar. *Naur!*
if BNSF and CNSF merged I would drop everything and find a new hobby
NAR sounds like the worst name for all railroads in North America
I once was a member of a model railroad club: NAPM; North American Prototype Modelers. The merger would have been perfect to model.
There was actually an NAR railway, ironically, taken over by CN called the Northern Alberta Railway. Look it up and see NAR on the side of locomotives and all of its glory.
@@DavidWsTrainVideos irony of it looked some what like the h1 ?
“Mom can we have CPKC?”
“WE HAVE CPKC AT HOME!”
That's going on my BNSF and CN Iceberg ;)
1:16, bro called the CN's scheme Mid like CPKC's new scheme just isn't a thing 😂
if BNSF picks in the name it would be CNBNSF bc when BN and Santa Fe merged they just called BNSF
They just cal!ed it BNSF
Called
Surprised the SPSF wasn't mentioned. Good video as always
That was such a moronic merge. SP freaked out when Kenefick told Ben Biagiani that they didn't't want to aquire SP at all in palm springs in 1976, because the environmentalists destroyed the timber industry, oil industry and auto manufacturing/parts manufacturing in California (This was the majority of SP traffic) When UP acquired Mopac and WP, Biagiani freaked out and tried to merge with Santa Fe. It would've never worked had approved, the state of California would still have two railroads like today (which isn't good the happy balance was always 3) and the southwest would've been a complete monopoly.
What really destroyed the Western rail system was the deliberate BN sabotage of the Milwaukee road, and the rock island being forced to declare bankruptcy sale, when stb refused to look at the books. The fact that those two rail systems weren't able to merge into either SP or UP has done more damage to the United States as whole more than anything else. The Milwaukee road in it's prime had a little over 60 hour time between Seattle and Chicago. The James hill syndicate up north, between GN, NP, SP&S and the cb&q was 30 hours slower. Loosing the Milwaukee road is the worst loss of the American railroad infrastructure.
MY KING POSTED
NO! Hes my King!!!!!
Overhyping this dude too much
11 minutes ago and BNSF is already tweaking 😭
North American railways sound like those goofy British rail names like “alphaton railways”
CNSF sounds so much better than "NOrTh AmeRiCAn RaiLWAyS"
We love corporate greed, North American freight railroads are among the worst at that
We got CNSF Before GTA 6 💀
LOL, Ive always said CN as cartoon network. Great minds...
Is it just me or is there a really high pitched noise throughout the video? (Using headphones)
It’s not just you
I just listened with three different pairs of headphones and I don’t hear it lol
@@BNSF1458 it’s very faint that may be why
I'm on mobile not using headphones and I can hear hit.
That the high pitched screams of rail fans and company employees involved in that nightmare merger.
Someday, I'm praying that BNSF will eventually make 1458 on a Gevo as a Heritage Unit. It would be the best day for all of us, not BNSF 1458 (the foamer)💀💀💀
0:14 I just watched a video about that bridge, anyway this proposed “north American railways” would probably become like a national railroad kinda like what Germany and Japan has
I remember that very well! I was a senior in high school when that was going down, and it was just insane to think about that this could've potentially happened! As bad as it is now in the Railroad industry now, it would probably be nothing compared to what it might have been if this merger was approved!
I read a statistic not too long ago that since 1996, BNSF has been directly, or indirectly responsible for 73% of ALL carload rail traffic growth in North America. One company responsible for all that growth. BNSF because of this still has one of the worst records for on-time delivery, even though a large percentage of growth came from intermodal, which has their best record for on time delivery. Other railroads have focused on streamlining and smoothing service to make up for and compete with BNSFs growth. The Canadian railroads having the best service metrics. So, when good customer service can't compete with growth anymore, it will force other railroads to merge. NS and CSX compete with each other as BNSF and UP, and CP competes with CN in Canada and the north-south traffic in the central US. Now if you look at which companies work together the most, BNSF and NS share alot of operations, and UP with CSX and CP.
From an out of the loop, outside perspective - I could see UP and CSX merging in the next 15 years, which would force BNSF and NS to merge to stay competitive. Where the canadian railroads end up, I don't know but I'd think they would each need to pick a side eventually.
Ain’t no way they’re trying to do that. 💀💀 Railfans are not gonna like this.
NOO HE DIDNT OFFER A HERITAGE UNIT IF WE LIKED AND SUBSCRIBED 😭😭😭
Damn sucks this couldn’t happen
I miss the grey and red of the Southern Pacific.
CNSF is a understatement how about BCNSF
Lobbying is a lot like money itself. And Money, itself, is Sewage. Evidence that economic productivity happened. When you realize that, life gets a lot easier in weird ways.
Lobbying is evidence that interests (somebody's, anybody's) exist.
Lobbying isn't nearly as elegant a solution to the problem as Money is, though.
My brain would have turned into mush if this happened
CPKC: Hold My Beer
Haha, I remember being a 9 year old kid when this merger was happening. We all thought this would trigger the next wave of Class 1 mergers within five years or so but no Class 1s merged til CPKC.
It's worth mentioning that in the mid 90s when CN was trying to privatize, CP tried to convince the Canadian government to sell the eastern half to CP (which led to the creation of the STLH subsidiary) and BN would get the western half of CN. So BN(SF)/CN almost was a thing twice.
Sorry, “we all” don’t love BNSF. Pumpkins are for pie!
0:20 that’s sad he put Santa Fe picture while saying “bad ones”
5:41 CN ON THE DMIR!!!
OML BNSF WHQT ARE WE DOING!!! WHAT THE HELL??!!!
I don't know why, but this is making me so mad Canadian national is not Canada's biggest railway. Canadian Pacific stands as Canada's biggest railway as of 2020.
They were the biggest then as per my research
If Canada becomes the 51st State, I wonder how that will affect CN and CP.
If it did happen they would like be acquired by the rest of Americas class ones, but where I live it would be very cold
0:21 don’t treat my daddy like that 😠😠😠
Yeah guys cn doesnt have dash 9s
they do. but there not that common.
If we fuse BN And CN what would that create?
Hmmmmm maybe BCNN
HE IS BACK
1:18 you just know bro wanted to say some other words there 💀💀
If we love letters, might as well invite CPKC.
Just like how the cpkc is just cp rail system but with extra steps
Imagine the goofy ahh liveries 💀
After I saw the name I was like Neither government of either country would approve this would be a monopoly in two countries and one giant railroad it would force many short line to close that haul cargo between both railroads.
I don't think UP is bigger than bnsf. I think it's the other way around.
Ahh the ghost of the old NAR nearly came back , and 2 of the rr that made cn in 1919 was Canadian northern and Grand trunk western
North American Railways 1458 💀
1:14 I am one of those. My Dad bought me 10 shares, when I was 7 lol. But in all seriousness, it’s because Canada’s biggest railway was being sold off at $2.25 a share. Lol
CN took over the Illinois central railroad
An island at the start, and then others fell... RIP WC, EJ&E, DM&IR, and others. The Borg railway is alive and growing.
I, a disgusting, track-licking foamer, say that it would be kind of cool to see this happen. It would be a breath of fresh air to see new paint schemes (among other things, of course) among the rails.
Maybe hobos would finally be able to taste maple syrup!
Bnsf wanted to buy British Columbia railroad, Canadian govt did not allow it and awarded bcol to cn. Now cn essentially has 2 parallel running lines in British Columbia. Many rail lines have been ripped out or mothballed because of class 1 mergers. Personally I think if class 1 railroads wanna merge, they should be forced to sell off some secondary lines to class 2 regional railroads (with no interchange blockade clauses in the contract) letting them take care of all the single car load traffic and letting the class 1 railroads retain their rights to unit trains originated on the spun off line. Lake state railroad is a prime example of this.
Like up in your neck of the woods (Minnesota) as a condition of cp merging with kcs, they should have been forced to sell off (but retain rights to any unit trains that originate on those lines) the ex DME secondary trackage in south Minnesota and north iowa to class 2 railroads. Segment of line from; Huron south Dakota- win on a Minnesota goes to RCPE railroad, Fairmont- Austin Minnesota to Ellis & eastern railroad, Sheldon- mason city- Marquette Iowa to watch or maybe RJ corman railroads, faribault- owatonna- austin minnesota- mason city Iowa to maybe progressive rail, CIC, IAIS you name it, iowa northern would be the best fit for that corridor but sadly it looks like cn is about ready to buy absorb the ianr giving them a monopoly on rail lines in the cedar falls are and parallel running lines so maybe they should be forced into selling the line from Lyle m.n.- cedar falls. That topic is a whole new can of worms.
-Steeverino
my line is owned by cn so i dont wanna ever see this shit commin up💀
2:35 MASSIVE you say?
AYOOO WHAT?!
nononononono
Amtrak should do this with metro link
I’m 3 minutes in, but like “North American Railways”. 💀
I hope they never do this
I would see a CN/NS merge more likely.
Forget about it
The audio is getting louder throughout the video
What if I told you I basically see CNSF every day
CNSF would be better than North American Railways
This sounds like a monopoly
Already is.
**for now**
I think you got the love and hate ones backwards
i hate that ring
What ring bro 💀
@@BNSF1458 its the mic 😭
is that your fridge making that sound in the background because i can def hear something
Great video
RAILFAN GOAT 🐐🔥🔥🗣️🗣️
would have preferred this over cpkc honestly
Aint no way💀
Yes, it was a thing that almost happened! I remember reading the article in TRAINS Magazine back in 2002, and had pretty much the same reaction!
2:36 m- m- m- mas- massive? MASSIVE?
If cn and bnsf mergered then the name could be canadian national santa fe or cnsf
Of the tongue it doesn’t sound that bad (CNSF)
0:19 as a fellow warbonnet myself I’m gonna have to disagree with that sir 😡😡
HE POSTED 🤑🤑🔥🔥
bro cnsf is a copyright bnsf in a roblox game😭
Do like the F40phs pls reply
This makes me mad (The Railroad not you) CNSF (Canadian National Santa Fe) idea was bad but what would make us even more angry would be CSNS (Chesapeake Seaboard and Norfolk Southern) THAT WOULD TRIGGER US ALL
You could of just said NAR instead of North American Railways
BNCN
what do you think of it comments? honesly, im near a NS line and ive been seeing alot of BNSF, i think that if NS- oh wait.... that would be bad, uh yeaaaaa screw the maple syrup land and maple syrup ahh lookin paint schemes "cough cough BNSF" idk tho i like everything as it is soooo. also sidenote why the hell cant we vote "i say we as dumbfuck foamers" "sorry to say that about our kind but its true" we cant vote for the mergers
Looks like you decided to make a documentary