NICHE ZERO - Year One In Review
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2021
- It's been a year since the Niche Zero has graced my coffee bar, and the honeymoon phase has ended. So in this video I'll give my full home barista breakdown of the pros and the cons of Niche grinder ownership, and if given the chance I'd still buy it.
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Instead of knocking the grinder around, I've found a thin silicone coaster sits nicely on top of the hopper and creates a sufficient air seal so tapping on the coaster pushes that last bit out. It's a cheap bellows solution and works with just one tap. Love these long term reviews you do! Awesome work!
Good idea! Is there somewhere online you purchased that? Or do you know the diameter of your silicone coaster? I want to try and find one that size.
@dkeith95 if you haven't found something you love yet, I just got my Niche Bellows from Introvert Makes delivered. They're really nice and fit perfectly under the lid. I got the midnight Niche Zero so I went for the black Bellows
As I think others may have said, Niche now offers a "double walled" dosing cup so that the inside is completely smooth. You can purchase from their accessory site, if you have a Gen 1 (w/ the rim), if it bugs you enough. I do agree that it's great to see them making improvements over time. :)
very insightful cons honestly, stuff that wouldnt been taken in consideration by many others
Thanks again buddy
Love the business perspective towards the end of the video! Good stuff as always!
All in favor of an annual Sprometheus Niche Zero update say "Aye"
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Haha if I have something to say I’ll update the reviews as they age.
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Thanks for the review. I use 2 Niche at home and work and I can confirm your review! Well done and thanks. Take care.
Niche is shipping with a ridge less cup now as of the Dec 2020 builds so that solves one of your gripes. I also some people have gotten a chest compression cup and put it on top in place of the lid then it is a bellows and keeps the beans from flying out.
Had a df64 with ssp burrs. Switched to Niche and am much happier. As said finding the right grind setting is much easier and consistent
I feel like it’s pretty easy to get one when availability is updated and you’ve been on the emailing list. But it is a process that can take 1-2 months. That being said, with COVID and Brexit occurring all at once, I’m inclined to forgive these wait times. Just love how easy it is to use and clean.
Thank you for your videos, I've always like them. Here since the beginning 🙋🏻♂️
Btw I think the dosing cup problem that you noted on the video is already fixed on the newer orders. Mine is just like yours so is not ideal but I don't use it as much since my pf is 51mm. Nevertheless is good to know that they're improving such details. I'm pretty happy with mine and tbh can't think of any other option with the niche capabilities at that price point.
Love the review! May I ask you a question about NZ grind settings? If 13-15 is my setting for espresso, what would be a good starting point for V60? Thanks much!
Thanks for the review !
Thanks for watching!
Agree with all your points - I love mine, but clearing the retained grinds is a pain. Likewise been dropping the lid, tapping the chute, snapping the oak coaster down over the bolt head ...
finally got a collapsible silicone cup, and it works really well. It’s not perfect, but it is great.
Honestly you are correct with the availability. I ordered in October 2020 and finally got it just yesterday. I didn’t purchase from them directly but from Slow Pour Supply. And it just took forever. I also started to look for end game grinders. But it came just in time before I wanted to pull a trigger on an EG-1.
would love to get my hands on a niche zero as well to test it out. for so long, thanks for your review here friend!
It’s my understanding from a comment I read on Facebook that someone posted a picture of the new Niche dosing cup and it’s my understanding that they have eliminated that ridge in the inside and it’s very polish to eliminate that problem you mentioned.
With regards to the the small amount of retention I purchased a silicone devise ( not specifically designed for it ) that you can use it to pump the coffee grind that remains in the Niche.
One of the comments they also mentioned is that if you use the silicone device to pump the remaining coffee grind ( about .3 of a gram) you can actually get more of the coffee grind ( maybe .2 of gram more) by overriding the red safety button by using a pencil or other item to be able to run the Niche at the same time you pump silicone device.
I think Niche should include some type of similar device to be able to pump out the remaining coffee grind. In reality this is not much to be concerned about but it would be nice if Niche includes it in future shipment. The only time this has an effect if you are changing coffees and or brewing methods and grind size.
love mine after owning it for 3 months... was a long 2 month wait - but it's worth it! (previous grinder was Mazzer Super Jolly)...
Love my Niche, but having fairly recently entered the world of pour overs (V60 and Switch), I’ve been constantly struggling to get a cup that has any hints of clarity. Tempted to blame the fines produced (having experimented heavily in the 35 to 50 grind range using Hoffman and Rao methods/recipes). Do you experience similar issues on your side? If not, what range works for you? Or is this where Kruve filters find their use?
What was that hopper on top of the grinder when you spoke about it being used in commercial settings? I'd love the grinder and would use it to dose grind most of the time, but I'd like the option to grind larger quantities if, for instance, I wanted to bag some coffee I'd roasted to give to someone pre-ground for example.
I've had mine 6 months. Love it. As Spro says you stop weighing the beans after you've ground them because you trust it. I've stopped using the dosing cup though. I've bought a very nice wood dosing funnel and I grind straight into my portafilter now. I've made a prototype stand that holds the portafilter in place on the Niche with the dosing ring on. Works really well. As for retention of grinds in the dosing cup, I now regularly spritz the beans with water before grinding. Also I use one of those silicon sputum cups as bellows to properly clear out after each grind. There's lots of options for customising your usage of the NZ. Probably enough owners now to even start a biz selling after market accessories.
Hi George, I would also love to grind right into my portafilter, and would love to see what you have created please, that is unless you are now making and selling something
Regards
Chris
@@bartyfoxy I considered making and selling them. I've since seen others do similar (although I think mine is better!). There's also plastic 3d printed holders but that's the ugly option. I've been so pleased with the prototype that I've kept using it. I do have some american white oak which I'm working with and I'm very slowly trying to come up with a final version. Maybe I'll post a video on my own channel of what I've got so far or when I'm done. I'll try and remember to update you here. There's a Niche owners group on Facebook if you are looking for mods etc. I've posted photos of my prototype on there.
@@bartyfoxy Prompted by your message I finally got around to finishing it. Pics on the NZ facebook group.
I think that on the availability issue is that it gained more traction in the market than the creator expected. And being a new player in the coffee scene they may be subject to supplier constraints. But that is my speculation. Especially since they continue to use indegogo as their store front. I love my niche. It works great for all my brewing needs and I think it looks cool. Instead of slamming it. I close the lid and cycle the motor and flick the spout. Not too much is left behind. It is a joy to use every time I use it.
I’ll be curious to see what they say about the availability, part of why I added it is I assume they will see that and respond. Time will tell.
@@Sprometheus every company has a supply limit depending on their size, the ability to source components, their logistics capabilities, etc etc.
They are iirc a family business gone viral. They don't even have an eshop.
They don't even know how to invoice properly (cannot 0% vat for exports).
I don't really get why everyone is saying the Niche uses Indiegogo as storefront, what about their website?
You hit the nail on the head with your last critical comment. I finally got persuaded to spend that kind of money on a grinder after buying a 1zpresso hand grinder, experiencing the leap in quality espresso and converting it to an electric with my DeWalt cordless drill after suffering a shoulder injury. However, it doesn't matter since there is no availability. Now that instead of a zero niche, I have a yellow cordless drill adorning my kitchen s countertop.
I've been considering the Niche Zero and the Baratza Forte AP for a while now, is this a comparison you considered when choosing the Niche Zero initially? As you mentioned in the video the availability of the Niche is a concern. Having used my Encore for close to a year now, I like how easy it is to clean and maintain, and hope that translates somewhat to the Forte if I were to go that route when adding an espresso machine to my workflow. Overall I'm still on the fence, the Niche gets a lot of love, but it's a little harder to find information on the Forte that's impartial (not from a seller or similar).
With regards to your issue of having to knock around the grinder a bit to get the remaining grounds out, my personal solution to that is to just use the hard part of the brush that came with the Niche Zero to knock on the grind chute. I'm sure it's not perfect, but a couple of knocks gets out most of what I'd be concerned about every time.
I have been frustrated with the Flow Control Disk, because as nice as it is I had built a habit around dusting around in the burrs with the brush after every grinding session and being unable to just open up the lid and brush around inside it while still being able to *see* the leftover grounds through the transparent disk has become very frustrating to me, although I'm sure it's something I'll get used to.
Similarly the issues with the cup you mention haven't been a problem for me because I'm used to knocking on it with the brush prior to pouring out all the grounds, which does a pretty good job getting them out of the little crevices in my experience. I also dust around in the cup itself after grinding, but that's more out of a dislike of remaining ground coffee being in the cup when i'm measuring out new beans into it.
Just picked up a niche on the last presale, it was my first attempt and I had a payment issue (because it was an international transaction) but I still got it. Looks like the availability of these grinders is getting better.
@sprometheus - Hi, I’m looking for tips on grinding and brewing decaf with the niche and a v60 or a stagg xf... maybe an idea for a future video?!... seems harder to find with the level of proficiency, and balance between technical and accessible details that you typically provide
what is the actual retention after a deep cleaning without shaking the grinder?
There is a silicon cup which you can use to push the air through the grinder so that it will push out the remaining grounds out
Good to know I’m not the only one smacking the niche around to get the last bit of grinds out
Haha it seems to be a common thing. It brings out our inner caveman.
I am pretty familiar with espresso grinders. What grinders do you feel are superior at filter? thx. good episode btw.
I’m also frustrated on availability my mate had to get his from the Uk and had to change the plug . Hassle
Any other recommendations?
The availability was a big thing for me, thought about buying one a few times but it never really was available
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Same issue. And they ships to only some countries but not Thailand. I have asked local vender and they offered WPM NG63 which is same one.
I signed up for their newsletter cuz I’m officially bent on getting one.
There back, ordered one few days ago
I wonder if Niche could come out with a new hopper lid that closes the gap mentioned, but also includes a push bellows to purge the chamber after grinding.
Just get one of these: Exceart Pressure Drum Massage Chest Care Percussor. it's a baby burper.
I was torn between this and the Ceado E5SD. I went with the Ceado since i could get it locally. No complaints thus far, it has a bellows so no need to knock it around, just hit it on the head a bit.
100% on the availability issue. I'm in Australia and I've tried getting this thing for the last 3 months. Giving up and picking up a mignon silenzio today because I'm sick of hand grinding for espresso every morning with my commandante lol
I did the same a couple of months ago, super happy with my mignon!
@@gageharden9468 pretty happy with it! It gets the job done, makes great espresso. Only thing to call out is this grinder is not zero retention, so you'll be purging additional grinds as part of your workflow (about 5gs works for me every morning). I'm hoping to find some form of bellows to mod it soon to fix the problem.
Thank you for your review. First time I saw this grinder I thought it would be good thingy, but now I understand that it is no use for such price in my country
What do you think about the Eureka Mignon Specialita? it is a similar price range, flat burrs, espresso and pour-over range.
I had the eureka before the niche
And don’t get me wrong, it’s a great grinder
Pros: building quality
Very consistent
For using as a hopper grinder it’s nice
Cons
More retention
Not as easy to clean
No real single dosing possible
Switching between filter and espresso is nearly impossible, you use it either for the one or the other
Greetings from Germany, can hook me up on Instagram @dres_coffeeworld
I haven't found that shaking the machine to get everything out to make much of an impact as I've had minimal retention. You could always get a bellow instead, it sure beats shaking the machine. Another option is a small atomizer to spritz the beans with
There is a better way to purge the coffee grouds: after grinding, just open the lid and tap over it with your open hand. The air pressure will push the grounds down. It works better than tapping the whole grinder.
exactly that! you just need to be careful not to accidentally shift the grind setting. that happened to me a few times.
@@SilverFoxGPC Search Palm Cup Pressure Drum Massage Cup in aliexpress. Saw it in a YT video, it fits perfect on the niche to purge the last grinds! I've been using it now.
Do you know if they still use Mazzer burrs? Their website makes no mention of that, and I’ve wondered for a while now if they switched to a less expensive set to reduce manufacturing costs.
Just look at the video...where he shows the Mazzer burrs!
They included a little brush with mine but I think some sort of blower/plunger would have been better to include. I also think some sort of reed switch should be fitted under the dosing cup to prevent those morning stuff ups....
If this is the best grinder at this price range that can do both espresso and filter is there a better option for two cheaper dedicated grinders for the same overall budget? eg Iberital MC2 & Wilfa Uniform (which would actually be cheaper). I'm currently into filter coffee. I don't want to buy a filter specific grinder and later replace it, but wouldn't mind later buying a dedicated expresso grinder for same overall cost.
Have you tried spraying your beans with water before grinding them? Helps a lot.
Yeah i have the same problems with my Niche. Not so much the dosing and having beans fly out, but the knocking and closing of the lid is getting a little annoying. But it is an overall great grinder. Great vid as always Spro, Stay caffeinated pony boy!
Thanks for watching Jacob! And it is a great grinder, these complains are pretty minimal in the big picture.
What happens if it breaks down and needs repair? Do you have to send it back to the UK? Could be a while getting it back, not to mention costly.
Have only had my white model for a week and love using it, I sold my Barazza Vario to switch to single dosing, so much better, after watching your review mine has the double walled cup so no grinds get trapped in the ridge like on the first version
Thank you for the review.
I see you have "the book of roast". Is it worth the money?
My only gripe with it is how the dosing cup catches onto the painted surface just behind its spot if you're not being careful while talking it out or putting it back
Agree with your assessment of the NZ! Some native functions like something to purge residual grinds would be nice instead of having to buy weird things or knock it out would be more ideal. I don’t really use the dosing cup anymore since I’m using the Decent Espresso stand and grind directly into my PF, but I can see how that can be irritating (and avoidable). The fact they still use Indiegogo is kinda dumb and availability can really drive away potential customers and certainly is a negative depending on who you are. One thing I would add to the cons is how the marker on the dial works.. it would be neat to have some native ability to set marks for multiple brew methods (like 2 or 3) so that you can remember other grind adjustments you might use. I’ve read many comments of people that add markers and other random things to achieve that. That being said, it’s a fantastic grinder and money well spent if you can grab one. I can go from espresso to coarse grind for cold brew to AeroPress no problem, and that’s pretty amazing. Not to mention the ability to switch up beans at such an ease is great. Hence, having multiple markers on the dial would be neat because it speaks to the nature and purpose of the Niche Zero. Anyway, cheers and thanks for the review (again)!
I do drop the lid too, but I find it works better If I give a few knock with the wooden brush on the chute before.
I completely agree about consumers' frustration on the availability issue. I was in the market for the Niche, but couldn't wait such a long time, so I opted for the Eureka Specialita - same price range, excellent quality (flat burrs) nearly as good retention (same with minor modification), and I only use it for espresso. I would have liked the Niche more, but they lost out to me. BTW, I bought my own dosing cup cheap without the ridge issue. I'd absolutely substitute mine for the Niche one.
I stopped using the dosing cup to weigh my beans before grinding. I find a 1/3 cup measuring cup to be easier to use for scooping out of the Atmos and the wider/shallower cup makes it easier to load the grinder with the beans making a run for it.
Yeah I used to use a smaller dosing cup from my other grinder to weigh the beans, had a smaller mouth and made it a little easier. But then I got tired of having so many tools on the counter, haha.
@@Sprometheus 'What's up everyone, it's Sprometheus, and today I'm showing you how I trained an octopus to effortlessly make espresso by pulling beans from my Fellow Atmos with a dosing cup, a spritz of water for RDT, through the Niche Zero and into the grind cup, flipped into the portafilter before using a wdt, a quick turn of the OCD to level the bed, a light tamp, and we are ready to brew without ever putting down a single tool!'
I ditched the stock dosing cup from day 1. Been using the Acaia dosing cup and it works like a champ...much happier with that combo. YMMV
I’m considering the niche duo now it has flat burr set. According to James Hoffmann, the niche zero doesn’t perform as well at the P64 for espresso. Now that the Niche Duo comes as a flat burr set, would it be possible that it is comparable to P64 in espresso (clarity, complexity, texture, etc)? Or is the P64 still worth the extra $600?
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned, but the dosing cup doesn’t have the hollow anymore (I know this because I finally got my Niche a couple days ago).
I've been told by baristas that conical burrs are good for helping with lighter roasts and their fruitier flavors. And flat burrs help bring out more chocolate flavors?
Thoughts?
Niche order confirmed today. I hit refresh every ten seconds for about 2 minutes starting a minute after they went on sale and ending after it took my purchase. Success.
I currently have a kinu m47 and I feel its fine for espresso. Do you guys have a recommendation for pour-over? Is there a grinder out there that does better than this for pour over only but is cheaper or around the same price?
Bro it is fucking kinu here in indonesia it costs like IDR.6.000.000. It is head 2 head with comandante already. If you really want to spend money on pour over only, since i believe you think that espresso coffee will affects your pour over coffee, just buy timemmore c2 bro. Best buy. Imo. It has changed my life ngl.
Great video!
Thanks Eric!
I lean towards flat burrs for filter coffee, but the versatility, quality and price point of this grinder are fantastic.
I’ll be curious to get back into the flat burrs again soon. It’s been a long time and I’m curious to see how different it tastes. When I switched to the Niche it was like a whole new coffee world using conicals after running flats for years.
@@Sprometheus so true! Don’t get me wrong I have some tasty brews from my Comandante...just different.
where can the grinder buy now as the official website is out of stock
I'm curious (and maybe you've covered this before) where you think the Niche shines best: espresso or pourover? Forum ppl seem to thing it's best for espresso and only so so for pourover. Also, did you ever get your hands on an Ode? Curious your thoughts and comparison, especially if/when they release some better burrs for it.
As a fellow Niche user, it's definitely an espresso focused grinder. The conical burrs make it a grinder that produces cups with great texture and body (great for espresso) rather than clarity and cleanness in the cup (which would be preferable for e.g. a V60). Pourovers are still amazing for the price point, but I'd always pick a flat burrs grinder over the niche for pourovers.
I am beginning to worry about the availability of spareparts. The bur should be easy enough as its from Mazzer but what about the motor or electronics?
Can’t agree with you more about availability finally got tired of waiting and bought another grinder too bad for Niche Zero
Anyone got any recommendations for competitive or similar-ish grinders? Leaning more to filter/pour over than pure espresso but would love to hear options on either!
In a similar price range for pourovers I'd suggest a wilfa uniform or eureka mignon although both aren't really single dose grinder comparable to the niche. My best recommendation would be the lagom p64, but it's like 2 or 3 times as expensive as the niche, so you'd have to know if you'd want to pay that amount of money for a grinder.
I own a niche zero and used it for espresso for a while. I have noticed that it doesn't always respond to small changes in the grind setting. That is very frustrating but I didn't hear others about is. Does anybody know whether this is a common problem? Also I don't like grinding into the cup first. Now in winter the statics are a big problem and a lot of grinds remain in the cup unless I wet the beans first, but then they stick to the hopper. Last issue: really large beans take very long to grind since the hole in the disc is too small. Indonesian long berry for instance
" I have noticed that it doesn't always respond to small changes in the grind setting. " i have the same issues also
Thought i was the only one knocking it after grind lol somewhat relieved haha
Me too 😅
Haha same here 😄
Yes me too. Otherwise its gonna leave a mess on the wooden disc below
I'd recommend spraying your beans with a tiny bit of water before grinding, it helps dramatically with static issues
Ya i’ve been spraying about 4 days now and it’s been a lot better now!!
How does it compare to the Baratza Forte?
I am back to watch this again and since I can't like it a second time I'm commenting for the algorithm and because I have a question as I am finally committing to the price. It's either this or the Lagom Mini and this looks like it would be much more robust especially if I wanted to do a batch Brew for a few people every couple weeks. Are You Still Loving it?
actually the static can be helped with one drop of water mix in the beans before grinding, a helpful tip from James, achieve closer to zero retention
Does it do both coffee and expresso?
Now I'm curious which grinder grinds better for filter, maybe that one is available!
A good grinder for filter coffee at a similar price oint is the wilfa uniform, if you wanna go for a higher end grinder, I'd choose the lagom p64 with ssp unimodal burrs.
Can you do more niche and commercial grade home use grinder in the future? Good job.
I just received the Niche, they took of the ridge inside the dosing cup maybe they saw your video!😀😀😀
Haha yeah they sent me a DM about that after the video.
Bought one today....not going to lie....was at the end of my ropes with not being able to purchase one and missed several releases. If I missed this one I was going to get a Eureka Mignon Oro XL. Hope I made the right choice.
What do you think of james hoffmans new person's
Love your honest reviews! I agree with the availability, tried to get a Niche, but it wasn't available at that time, so i got the Eureka Specialitá. Pretty sad tho, because you don't switch your grinders pretty often.
+1
Coming across this as I find myself feeling overwhelmed with grinder research. If you were only going to be single dosing espresso would this be your grinder of choice at this price point? I only make espresso a couple of times a week and don't want beans going stale in the hopper, so that is why I am looking at something in the single dosing config. Even though the NZ is getting all sorts of praise for its versatility it still seems to be hard to find a similarly priced grinder set up for espresso and single dosing with little retention. Thoughts?
you can look into Eureka Oro might be your type of grinder
Would be interested to see your thoughts on the niche vs the baratza Vario they are similar prices
This would be interesting. The baratza vario when fully modded (forte grind chamber, alicorn alignment and 0-retention mod) is regarded as an excellent grinder with an astounding grind quality for the price.
@@MrMarki134 but you need to mod it. not plug and play.
Keep an eye out for the Eureka Mignon Single Dose. It’s being announced soon!
yeah, ive been wanting to buy the NICHE ZERO since autumn last year. Thinking of buying a similarly priced Eureka instead..
In your opinion, what is the best grinder for Chemex?
fellows ode is a good choice
Its not that difficult to get one. Just sign up to the newsletter and buy when you get a mail when they have new in stock.
Easier said than done. Stock sells out almost instantly it's released. Less than 2000 units released at a time for World-Wide supply does not meet demand.
Still waiting for 3070FE
Their recent restock on May 18 at 11:00 PST sold out in 2 minutes.
I’ve been trying to get a Niche Zero for such a long time. I’m frustrated enough about the availability issue that I’ve been thinking about just jumping ship and getting a similar grinder, even if it means I have to pay a bit more, as long as I can, u know, actually get one
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I’m definitely one of the frustrated people waiting for the next time they will let you preorder... then if I do order one, I know it will be another 3 months...😩
4:22 Huh, perhaps Niche watches your videos :D I just bought a Niche Zero a month ago and the inside of my dosing cup is completely smooth.
ngl I was ok with the video ending at the beginning haha
does the grinder need burr alignment?
Delivery
I was going to order a Niche Zero last summer. I never did when I saw the long delivery. Not available until September.
Same with 9Barista, not available until September.
The irony of course, come September, had I ordered, I would now have both.
Same in January,, checked out 9Barista not available until February. Had I ordered I could now expect delivery any day.
Last time I checked 9Barista had slipped to March.
I guess we all have to learn to be patient.
Availability and taxes after brexit are mostly the reasons i decided to not engage with niche but to use something like baratza encore for filter coffee (i like french press) and a specialita mignon XL (new model with 65mm flat burrs) for espresso instead. This setup is almost the same price due to taxes from niche zero and i can combine nice grind quality with ease of use and all these are available in few days with tech support here in Greece.
I am sure you are thinking about some ultra high end grinders like monolith or EG-1 for your channel or personal use. Do it... make a gift to yourself and your beautiful linea mini.
Yeah I ended up with a Sette 270wi after my Mazzer broke because I couldn't get a Niche for over 3 months.
Totally agree about availability. Last November I was buying espresso machine plus grinder and really wanted to buy Bianca + Niche. At first there wasn’t even any info as to where the new batch of grinders is gonna arrive, so I waited a bit. Few weeks later they announced a new batch with deliveries set to February, which was unacceptable. I said no, and ended up buying Eureka Mignon. That’s the vacuum u r talking about. Niche, you lost some money there.
Still wondering if this will fulfill my taste needs. I love flat burrs, but this seems like it might be worth the change
I really enjoyed the change from flat to conical. Although most of the flavor differences are mostly anecdotal, I find the conicals to be better for their fruitier profiles and flats better for the chocolate.
Lagom p64 is a solid contender for flat burrs.
is there any thing cheaper but have the same quality of dose ???
realy need some grinder now,is there any recomend for me?, please
Yes to all of this.
Thanks for another great review, I am a big fan of your contents. I just changed my mazzer mini to Niche Zero for about a week (Feb delivery). So far only used it for espresso drinks (Izzo Alex Duetto IV). I have not tried it for V60 yet but many RUclips reviews don’t seem to like NZ for pour over for some reason?!?
Question for Spro: How hard do you zero out your burr ring when you recalibrate ?
How hard? What exactly do you mean?
@@Sprometheus how much force do you use.
I would equate it to 'hand tightened'..., as long as you are fairly consistent...your results should be consistent. My complaint on the recalibrate dial is that there should be a 'lock'. I feel like the ring can easily move when you don't intend it to and then you end up using the wrong number on the scale for future reference.
I found it impossible to use niche zero without wdt tool for espresso. very nice for v60.
Wait...what grinds better for espresso?
Yes, still waiting on that to be answered 😊
You mentioned there might be a better grinder if you're only doing espresso. Did you have a particular one in mind?
Maybe the lineup in the James Hoffmann ultimate grinder showdown?
@Chris Atwood true, but they are the only ones really that would come to mind as espresso grinders that are better than the niche. I don't think there's any grinder in the same price range that does espresso as well as the niche.
I'm mainly interested in the Niche and the Eureka Specialita (I know, different uses, but I'm torn between flat and conical). There are a few comparisons from people that have had both and they like the Specialita a bit better, and just kept the Niche for the workflow.
@@picabolo93 kyle roswell did a nice comparison of the two. The niche definitely wins when it comes to workflow and user experience, as well as retention. Eureka is a great grinder as well, esp. the dosing system. And generally flat burrs are preferable to conical burrs, especially when it comes to pourovers, but for me the niche definitely wins. It makes for really great espresso and the workflow is amazing, and I wouldn't give mine away for any other grinder (except maybe a lagom p64 or the eg1 but those are crazy expensive!!!)
@@arvedpi1784 Thanks! I'll give that a look
I also used to bang on my niche, however using the RDT, just a drop/spritz of water to the beans in the hopper has nearly completely eliminated the need to smack the grinder for extra grinds and has made pouring them out very clean
I’ve done RDT as well, doesn’t seem to make a massive difference, but there is a difference. When I posted about it niche as a company seemed a little weary of it. It’s hard to recommend as a manufacturer because someone will end up with too much moisture in their grinder and end up with some rust or something.
@@Sprometheus agree!
@@Sprometheus I've been using RDT on every grind and no rust issue, but agree that you still have to knock it around to get the grinds out at the end.
It’s interesting that years later this grinder is still not available in the US
Just wish it was in stock