Bill Simmons’s Updated NBA Trade Value Rankings | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2023
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Joe House to discuss their updated NBA trade value list after this year’s season.
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Crazy how different the middle of this list is compared to just six months ago. Every NBA season is wild but this one especially was just bonkers
“It’s fluid”
These guys are idiots that don’t know anything about basketball, which is why
Bill snuck in that "long showers" comment😂 house did not approve
A rare podcast awkward silence followed.
NBA Trade Value Rankings 65 to 1
Number One - 3:00
Nikola Jokic
Honorable / Dishonorable Mention - 4:29
Kyrie Irving and Ben Simmons
Toughest Omissions - 6:58
Keldon Johnson, Lou Dort, Jaden Ivey, Dyson Daniels, Jaden McDaniels, Devin Vassell, Caleb Martin, Nikola Vucevic
Off the List - 7:24
Rudy Gobert, Chris Paul, Jordan Poole, Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, Khris Middleton, Julius Randle, Jarrett Allen, Anfernee Simons, James Harden, Jabari Smith, Marcus Smart
Group L - Buyers’ Remorse - 8:52
65. Tyler Herro 64. Bradley Beal 63. Zach Lavine 62. Kawhi Leonard (Dishonorable Mention?)
Group K - Quality Starters - 13:23
61. Keegan Murray 60. R.J. Barrett 59. DeMar Derozan 58. Andrew Wiggins 57. Draymond Green 56. Derrick White 55. Trae Young 54. Dejounte Murray
Group J - Upside Gang - 14:28
53. Jaylen Green 52. Shaedon Sharpe 51. Tyrese Maxey 50. Scottie Barnes 49. Austin Reaves 48. Brandon Miller 47. Scoot Henderson 46. Cade Cunningham
Group I - Sorry, He’s Worth More To Us Than You - 17:55
45. O.G. Anunoby 44. Brandon Ingram 43. Aaron Gordon 42. Desmond Bane 41. Domantas Sabonis
Group H - If You Tell Woj, I’ll Deny It To The Death, But, I’m Listening - 18:58
40. LeBron James 39. Paul George 38. Jrue Holiday 37. Karl Anthony Towns 36. LaMelo Ball 35. Pascal Siakam 34. Jaylen Brown
Group G - Too Young, Too Cheap, Too Good, Please Stop Calling Us - 22:31
33. Chet Holmgren 32. Lauri Markkanen 31. Walker Kessler 30. Franz Wagner 29. Jaylen Williams
Group F - The Incredibly Touchable Untouchables - 23:33
28. Zion Williamson 27. Ja Morant
Group E - Let Me Save You Some Time, F*ck No - 26:08
26. Damian Lillard 25. Mikhail Bridges 24. Donovan Mitchell 23. Darius Garland 22. Josh Giddey 21. Jalen Brunson 20. Anthony Davis 19. De’Aaron Fox
Group D - Budding Franchise Guys - 30:20
18. Paolo Banchero 17. Tyrese Haliburton 16. Evan Mobley 15. Bam Adebayo 14. Jaren Jackson Jr.
Group C - Only If They Made Us Do It - 32:37
13. Jimmy Butler 12. Jamal Murray 11. Joel Embiid 10. Kevin Durant
Group B - The Untouchables - 37:09
9. Anthony Edwards 8. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander 7. Devin Booker
Group A - The Completely and Utterly Untouchable - 41:18
6. Jayson Tatum 5. Stephen Curry 4. Victor Wenbanyama 3. Luka Doncic 2. Giannis Antetokounmpo 1. Nikola Jokic
Jamal Murray is more "he's worth more to us than to you" but ranked about right
Thank you
Thank you so much.
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House saying he would trade Reaves for Irving sounds like something the Wizards would do
For real
Hilarious!
Every lakers fan would do too
Bro can u imagine Kyrie in Washington DC???? OMG that would be be an entertaining disaster
Yeah who would want an 8 time all star 3 time all nba & nba champion when you can have hillbilly Kobe
I love having House on the podcast. Him calling Bill out for his absurd Kobe takes is nice.
We need more people who aren’t yes men to bill
“Absurd Kobe takes” such as…?
When did this happen?
I'm so glad Joe was on the episode. He was the voice of reason on this episode
Him, Rusillo, and Chris Ryan the only ones that have the balls to call out Bill on his bias and homerism at the Ringer lol
I’d much rather listen to House than Rusillo. House can make an articulate argument without having to be a dick about it like Russillo.
tbf it's a very easy job to pick holes in a list like this. Literally anyone would make mistakes compiling one
His kid repeated kindergarten?? That shoulda been talked about…
@@bagbroch9339 that was a joke lol
That long shower comment was way off the hook lmao 😂
Beautiful take by Joe House on the Kevin Durant rank. Someone finally called out the media bias with Durant. The whole “I just hoop” thing is a cop out for his real nonexistent playoff success that last few years.
Bingo. He wasted 4 years of his career to troll espn with kyrie irving lol like you can't make it up
he's just coping because he's 34 and has 2 fake rings. his legacy gets worse by the year. i think by the time he retires he'll actually end up below Barkley who has no rings but at least has some dignity
@@evanclp514 salty
you can say that for literally almost everyone in the nba. check the stats so you can see how much you dont know ball
@@wesgarnett119 more the opposite - guys who bring up stats in the first place often dont know what they are talking about other than stats
I distinctly remember the Spurs slander coming out of Kawhi’s camp when he demanded a trade.
Love how House always holds the mic
He a true G
Lmao just noticed that. He doesn't even have a mic stand as an option either lmao
Bonk
Sus
the ONE full pod bill puts up on youtube i listen on spotify heading home from work...
Please, do more video pods on youtube!
Franz Wagner is so underrated
Can't shoot right now so he's fairly rated
he regressed defensively and rebounding from his rookie year, not a good sign. dude had the same boards per as Muggsy Bogues in '94 😬
@@uberneanderthal you gotta factor in the Magic having like 7 big men and playing him at sg half the season
@@Shortballa11 Luka plays guard and he's 2 inches shorter. at 6'9" 225 he should be getting 6 boards a game by accident.
@@uberneanderthal 1. Wagner aint Luka so lets get that out the way.
2. Mavs starting lineup is Kyrie, Hardaway, Bullock, and Powell. Luka is the second tallest on the court and its always been that way.
3. Wagner playing with lineups of Fultz at pg, him at shooting guard. Bol Bol, PAolo and WCJ half the season. He is the second shortest on the court. ANd you can swap any of them with the other big men Moritz and Okeke. Just more 7'0 footers.
For someone’s who’s done this before House doesn’t get the list lol
Somewhere around 2028 or so it'll click with him. ;)
I don't think Anthony Davis was a bad pick in 2015 - 21 years old, already All-NBA and All-Defense, coming off a season when he averaged 24 and 10 with 3 blocks
Ahead of lebron though...
@@johnmcm7690 Bill Simmons used to overrate AD a lot before he got traded to LA, I remember it was his fantasy for him to get traded to Boston, and he started hating on AD after the Lakers got him lol 🤣
@@BabylonGateLA Bill showing his Celtics fandom 🤣🤣
Now, he's gotta be wishing that my Spurs trade the #1 pick to Boston 🤣🤣🤣
@@johnmcm7690Ye but tbf, Bron was 30 and we still tought he might age like a human. And it's reasonable to project a 21 year old making all nba to be an all time great
@@BabylonGateLAyeah but I get his hype… AD is just a unicorn of talent and potential it just sucks he doesn’t have that dawg in him, doesn’t work as hard as others in the league and on top of all that he just gets hurt all the time which has really hampered his game imo
Zion hype in 2019 was also that he was gonna be a top 10 all-time guy and that hasn’t yet materialized. Let’s just slow down a little on Wembanyama
Zion put up historic numbers for a guy his age the year he played a full-ish season. Its been injuriea not a lack of talent and thats a risk for all players and prospects
Especially as Wemby already has injury’s. He’s also too tall to be reliable bet
@@des0163 yeah and injuries ruined many players . Zion is too heavy n explosive. Wemby is too tall
Most likely not to have good injury luck at that height
Pels were #1 in the west in December with him
@@des0163 it’s a small sample size with zero playoff implications though. It isn’t like he’s Kawhi Leonard or Terrell Davis and actually used it and won championships while playing less games than the usual all-time greats
Great, great takes by House. Bold, logical, entertaining. Love him
10:57 4th Quarter yellin "Why TF Batum in?"
Thanks for this amazing episode
Great show! Loved it
This is a great segment
Bill so right about Kyrie.
Bill is butthurt that Kyrie made him and you look like a coward because he was 100% right about the jab and his refusal to be bullied into taking it
@@CollaredConsulting what exactly was he right about concerning the jab?
Great ball player and total head case. Give Kyrie credit: he's really creative with his madness. We have no idea what nutso stuff will happen next.
@@CollaredConsulting are you crazy..he ruined a potential dynasty..lol..nuggets nets finals wouldve been awesome
@@the9thinning1 don't expect a response from that coward. They think after 1 million+ people died from covid in the US, the antivaxxers won the covid issue
Kyrie being omitted is a huge W
More like a huge L.
@@terry7907 Teams get better when they get rid of him though.
@@eazymb.not the Cavs or Nets
@@MeechGor Boston
@@MacNif Wait... yes BOS did. They got WAY better after he left. Are you fucking kidding me? That team didn't do SHIT with Kyrie. Ditto the Nets. Only the Cavs, but I think that might be because they lost LeBron AND Kyrie and replaced them with Sexton and had to wait a few years before finally having draft picks.
As a Jazz fan it's very interesting that you put Walker Kessler higher on the list than Lauri Markkanen. Even if it's just one spot higher. And I understand that Walker was awesome rookie, so he has high upside but Lauri is all star who kept improving the whole season and is in very teamfriendly contract 😃
Giving up Austin Reaves for Kyrie Irving is flat out insane
Reaves for Irving would be so bad, I would love him on House's team (Wizards) just to see everything burn 🤣🤣
Flat earth insane
@@TuchNGoh 😂😂😂
Especially cos reaves only has 2m cap hold . If lakers get kyrie reaves is only untradable guy. Especially how much he improved in his second year already . Bron AD Kyrie reaves can work . I’d sacrifice Rui if I had to but not reaves
@khalxd1991 so you think the mavs sign and trade Irving for rui? I'm hoping your idea includes 1st round unprotected for 4 years
Kuwai is an absolute artist on the hardwood, but it feels like waiting for that next Guns N’ Roses album (that is never going to happen). LeBron is no longer the smartest guy in the association-that would be Jokic now, but let’s say King James is the wisest player in basketball because seriously, he has more experience than Methuselah!
Joe 🏠 Keeps It Real! That Is All 😂😂😂
“Some long showers” 😂😂
😂😂😂
I love your podcast 👍
All it took was Jalen Green doing Bill Simmons podcast for him to complete change his tune from hate to empathy
@@zalemdreams i didnt know that
@@Shortballa11 Bill has always been high on KD. Even before he was drafted.
Damn man, I can’t believe that first column came out in 2001.. I remember reading that on ESPN page 2 when I was like 12-13 years old..
I hope you were wearing an oversized cowboy
Bill has been not writing columns longer than he's been writing columns during that time.
@@ryanuyehara8399wtf are both of you saying? Lol
The Kawhi slander is music to my ears as a Spurs fan 😂
Yeah but it's not slander...ya in Spurs were first to see it.
Khwai is NOT that dude. He is a liability and so frustrating.
He has proven it
Thank you Bill Simmons.
Bill’s basketball breakdown is amazing … except the part of him hating some players and teams and being the grandest homer of Celtics ever.
Love Joe checking Bill's biases
Enjoyable conversation 😂
7:43 "Why is he off the list"
Bill: "He didn't make the list"
Me: *subscribe*
You guys are the best doing this, please do it more
“Our Doughy Serbian King” 😂😂😂
6:53 Great line by Bill
whenever i see House always reminds me of Norm MacDonald
amazing segment. as much as house likes the punitive angles in a list like this, i think u gotta consider embiid as someone who could turn into the guy soon
Video to this is the best
😂😂 I love House.
Jalen green is becoming stupidly underrated. Look at the scenario he was drafted into. It’s not like Giddey, mobley or even Banchero would make this rockets team competent
based
Yes they would...Green is a nobody...Sengun is there best player
Following Bill's podcasts since those Real Audio player days on ESPN and this is first time i see House. Looks like if Graham Hancock (jre) and James Calville had a baby.
Thank you Kanye, very cool!
3:04 DSK I kinda love that name lol
Crazy to think we talk about Kawhi like this. Was once of my favorite player on the Spurs and now slowly breaking down. At least the Spurs future is bright with the arrival of Wemby, so me personally this is very Poetic.
I'm so excited for Wemby, hoping he can develop and get us over the hump.
@@anthonyrivera2306 the hump of not being the worst team in the league? pop ruined his legacy with having the worst record year after year. it wasn't pop, it was tim duncan. chumbawumba will play for 3 years for the spurs and then jump ship.
@@bacardibum only the goat but ruined his legacy - lol
@@denigster phil jackson is the goat
0:50 Bill Simmons definitely hates Kobe, we all know it dawg , 😂
Backed off it in recent years tho. He was always ahead of the curve tho in establishing Duncan >>> Kobe
@@hardwoodthought1213 You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. I hope all is well my brother!
Bill Simmons hates Damian Lillard. That is insane, dude literally played like an MVP last year.
Joe House is the best guest man. Either him or Cousin Sal.
Giddy! Woooo. Young kid is amazing
I finallly recognized
The Kyrie position from Bill has not aged well AT ALL. He literally said there were 65 current NBA players that no team would trade straight up to get Kyrie. That's batshit crazy.
House* is the only regular guest who will push back on Billʻs grandiose statements (*and Van Latham).
I just became a Bill Simmons subscriber because he is THE MAN
lol "our doughy Serbian king" absolute gold
House is a 100% right about Durant and Embiid
I really hope Wemby stays healthy cause it would be great for basketball to see a guy like him thrive. But man, that build for the kind of game he plays (& how we've seen top picks break down) worries me. He's got the right coach but I hope there's a different medical staff than the one dealing with Kawhi.
7'5" and rail thin. what could go wrong? lol
The medical team was right on Kawhi, though. They told him he had a degenerative condition and that it would never go away, but he’s a snake who said they were wrong and used it as an excuse to leave.
@@aricrudd6579 crazy how this narrative around the Spurs being wrong exists when people openly talk about how Kawhi has been in LA
Was listening to this in my car with my kids with me had to turn it off after the 7th f bomb
Reaves for Irving would be the best scenario possible for Dallas 🙏
Bill’s ability to throw shade at LBJ is impressive.
Amazing vid but how you gonna say Jalen Brunson is more beloved than Melo after one year 😭
House's son catching a stray with the repeating kindergarten comment in the Kyrie discussion... lmaoooo
what will the thunder need to make them a playoff team a all star small forward of a all star big of both
So let me get this right yall rather have Derrick White over Trey Young.... and Jaden McDaniels over Jalen Green.... man you stat analytical nerds are something else!!!!
White over young is strictly for the contract obviously
McDaniels is objectively a better team basketball player
Yup. Winning is better than not winning but having a player who makes a lot of money.
@M R jalen is only 2 yrs in...hes on the path to be a star player 30 ppg type guy.... McDaniels is a role player
@@scottkalnoske2927 give me trae at 35? 40? Over white at 20 anyday
"Long showers" 😂😂😂
18:35 bill is WILD on this take. denver absolutely would take OG in that trade?? he's two years younger, an elite defender, and a better 3pt shooter AND he's $3m/year cheaper (one year shorter deal tho). AG gets to the line a little more, but OG is more efficient all around. if you think your window is 2-3 more years, I'd take OG in that trade all day.
THANK YOU HOUSE !!! HAIL IN THE SAME BOAT AS LAMELO they bota gotta play
Oh, please. I’m begging you. Please tell us the story of the Zoom call with Harry (Fredo).
The idea you trade Luka right now is insane. Maybe down the road, like Lebron's first cavs stint, but not now.
They don't have a way to improve so it's make sense to sell on him, Utah would pay a huge price i'm sure.
They either lose him for nothing or he demands a trade which lowers his value. This team is not going anywhere so might as well salvage Doncic as an asset. They've screwed themselves with the Kyrie move, letting Brunson go etc.
New Subscriber. You've come out and said what a good portion of the thinks about the "grifters". Along with 'South Park" you have the whole world watching/listening. I'm waiting for your Prince Harry story, and so is the rest of the earth.
Brandon Ingram is one of the best players in the NBA and is 25
No he isn't lol
@@GeronimoPlaz I’m rounding everything up a little but he just averaged almost 25, 6 and 6 on nearly 50/40/90. Plus all the injuries him and the Pelicans had this year
Dude was borderline All-NBA once he got healthy. It is insane to put him behind Gordon
@@pipohemm8726 he should be easy top 20 but I’d have him at like 10
@@tune6000 He has a long and concerning injury history
Bill half this pod i fucked up that up lol i love listening both of them there's definitely a couple i wouldve swapped down abit but overall solid
I don’t get it. Why they don’t even mention Nic Claxton?
"some long showers" Bill from the top rope
The Bill Simmons Trae Young hate is real
The way Carlisle moronically used Mathurin (not starting him) aside he still shoulda of been honorable mention for his highs as 20 year old rookie.
Also while I wanted my Pacers to draft Booker over Turner in 2015 and wanted 27/29 unprotected Lakers 1s for him/Hield bc they’re dumpster fire possibly post LeBron/AD and it helped us double Wemby odds and start force Carlisle 2 start Mathurin, BUT Turner on great contract not being mentioned HM top65 at all was kinda amateur hour. Mobley I like but he’s too high, LeBron (not shocking as LeBron owned one Bill’s team more then any athlete ever knocking then out 5X 2011-18 including 3 ECF, 3 of which Celtics could close at home in 6/7….then LeBron went to hated lakers and was Finals MVP for them in 2020 + good WCF run after 2-10 start) at 40 embarrassing as he was inarguably Top7-15 best player last year, averaged 25, 10, 7 on 50% in playoffs, averaged 28 10 10 52Fg% in WCF, was God tier December to February pre foot injury (injuries and age knock him down I get but still).
Chet too high, KD (all timer but 35 & 8 months when playoffs start with injury history) too high.
I love how House calls out Bill on many of his trash rankings/takes more then anyone. Bill is a legend in the space (even as annoying homer and LeBron hate since he owned his team 11-18 then went to hated lakers, plus underrates Reggie Miller who has 16th most won shares including playoffs when everyone 1-25 around him is an all time legend or legend), but he’s at his best interviewing all time greats or talking with ppl who actually debate with him.
Completely agreed. Pacers were at a crossroads to accelerate their rebuild to better compete with teams loaded with draft capital but they bottled it
Haven't listened yet but Bron at 40 seems a bit high imo. He's on an expiring contract, could retire at any time, barely plays defense during the regular season. Regardless of how good he is now, value isn't just about the immediate.
@@tonyschimmoeller he was literally just a top5-7 NBA player from late December to late February (33, 9, 8 good efficiency) and 28 10 10 52 FG% on bad foot in WCF which was better then Durant & Butler Vs Nuggets. Yes age/injuries worry you, but injuries worry you with many players and LeBron is an alien who is still top5-20 range player in NBA period. He prob makes 2nd team all nba last year had he played all year and LeBron Luka Durant Curry the only 4 in NBA to avg 26 6 6 on the efficiency they did this year.
His defense was actually good mostly in playoffs with top5 DWinshares and top10 D rating through Conference Finals.
40 is far too low just like House said especially if KD is 4.
@@eriklakeland3857 it made zero sense! Mathurin is the first top6 pick ever who is Clearly all rookie first team level with no all stars in front of him NOT starting to try and get as many reps as possible with Haliburton and winning games didn’t matter this year in general but especially with Wemby coming out! Wanted 27/29 unprotected 1s from lakers bc they’ve had as many Top2-10 picks as anyone since Dr Buss died a decade ago and once LeBron/AD gone they could be dumpster fire again. Plus it doubled our Wenbanyama odds!
Spot on 99,7%!! Except for Reggie Miller. Fuck him (sorry, homer) 😅
House almost lost me with that “is Booker better than Murray” lol glad they cleaned that up afterwards
Huh, always pictured house with hair
Bill is the god father of this
Bill doesnt hate Kobe ? yeah right - still remember the sh!t about the finals vs celtics Kobe shot 6-24 but got 15 boards etc and you just ripped him - like Jordan never had a 9-26 game
Lol that part. At least Nick Wright has openly admitted his Kobe hate. Bill will take shots at Kobe any chance he gets and will deny the hate to his death bed
I mean, even tho he has bias against Kobe the Brick dickriders who justify that game 7 by saying he grabbed rebounds are just as bias and crazy
Who’s on the Mr Rushmore of top-ten list that Simmons has made?
How did we get to long showers whilst talking about Kyrie Bill? 🤣🤣🤣
please check Jamal Murrey vs. Devin Booker stat.
Ivey and Jabari have to have more value than Leonard and LaVine
What about Alperen Sengun, Cam Johnson, Trey Murphy, Quickley, derrick white, Caleb Martin, Norman Powell...
White was on there and the first four should be. Last two no but they have more value then most ppl think
Can someone get house a mic stand?
Love the Shaedon Sharpe love but he prolly constantly will be higher as he becomes the shooting/scoring/6’7 3&D wing potential SGA after not playing basketball much in HS/not playin at all in college!
Wake up babe. Bill Simmons just put out a new trade value list.
Also the trade value column is always basically the trade value for the previous season. Bill's a basketball reactionary
Is he supposed to do it for 2 years from now? Wtf are you talking about? Lol
@@GeronimoPlaz go home dad you're drunk
House is hilarious
Dunno Simmons. Garland looked pretty bad in the playoffs. But the Cavs bigs looked bad as well.
Carmelo was and is over-rated. I'll take that opinion to my grave.
Garland had better shooting splits than Mitchell vs New York. Garland shot 38.7% on 6.2 3PA, Mitchell shot 28.9% on 9.0 3PA. Both of them turned the ball over like crazy, but when I watched that series, I wanted to see Garland down the stretch instead of Mitchell who was chucking up contested three after contested three.
HOUSE KICKING BILLS ASS !!! Thanks
Bill an okc fan confirmed 👍
I actually agreed with the last one way way more than this one.
No shot jalen green is so low considering he was the only one to game plan around on the rockets this year. Rockets wouldn’t trade him for Mobley or giddey
Neither the Cavs nor the Thunder would consider trading either of those players for Jalen, like 0 percent of giving it even one second of thought. And I Like Jalen, but naw…
The "he's the only guy teams game plan around" excuse is such BS. It's the same thing Magic fans say about Paolo to explain his horrible efficiency despite Franz taking nearly as many shots per game. Teams going into Houston on a back-to-back aren't game planning around Green other than "just let Green shoot crappy mid range shots" because he took 531 of them and only hit 40% of them a ridiculous percentage of them being pull-ups. You can love your guy, just don't be delusional about him.
Green seems like a total moron too. Just listen to him talk.
Aside from the bubble, Lebron hasn't played an injury-free season since he arrived in L.A. Even this year, I hears Lebron fans talking about how great Lebron was with his ankle injury. "Imagine if he hadn't been injured!" But he's always injured. This needs to be acknowledged and discussed. This isn't about hating on Lebron, it's about balancing the "he's so great in year 20" talk.
So your take is he’s not great in year 20 despite shattering every old player record?
House’s moron gimmick is so good, he refuses to break kayfabe
Can we start using Lebron’s age instead of “Year 20”? This is a weird rhetorical move. Kareem had some great numbers in his late 30s and was a FMVP.
Because years matter. You put miles on your body.
@@shorewall I’m not saying it shouldn’t be mentioned, but age matters more than seasons.
And it’s def a rhetorical move to big up Lebron. Nick Wright does it all the time.
@@17NateJohnson the NBA years matter far more. Stop undercutting greatness for no reason
@@chasingfelix3609 it should def be mentioned, but I disagree. It’s more about giving Kareem his due. Age is way more important than miles.
Derrick White having more trade value than James Harden is the funniest shit I have ever seen.