booktok & how it came to be

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  • Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024

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  • @rayareadzzzz
    @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад +35

    hello friends, just wanted to leave here some of non-white authors that i recommend to check out:
    Octavia Butler, Sangu Mandanna, Khaled Hosseini, Silvia Moreno-Garcia, Brit Bennett, Kennedy Ryan, Tia Williams, Mosab Abu Toha, Etaf Rum, Abby Jimenez, Millie Belizaire, Zoulfa Katouh, R.F. Kuang, Nisha Sharma, Talia Hibbert
    hope you enjoy watching & share your favourites with me! ❤✨

    • @katgreer6113
      @katgreer6113 5 месяцев назад +3

      thank you. most book tubers conveniently fail to mention more than one diverse book/author.

    • @justink5000
      @justink5000 4 месяца назад +1

      I can also recommend Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, Fonda Lee, and Isabel Allende 🫶🏻 they are sooo phenomenal

  • @Evelyn_Okay
    @Evelyn_Okay 5 месяцев назад +75

    I wish ppl would start aiming this built up frustration at publishing houses and their editors directly bc, ultimately, THEY are deciding what gets published based how profitable a book/author can be. I asked an literary agent on Twitter if they read/watch reviews of books they represent and they said no. I was genuinely shocked. And publishing houses are more focused on making a book look "buyable" rather than well edited. They are the real gatekeepers and we need names

    • @mmabelmm22
      @mmabelmm22 5 месяцев назад +4

      so true. like if people want more "intellectual" books, WRITE THEM!! and it's not even that none are being published, either. like if you can't find recent published books that aren't vapid romances, that's more a problem with you being bad at finding books than the fault of the publishing industry.

  • @tigcr
    @tigcr 5 месяцев назад +36

    Halfway through the video and on the topic of how booktok affects literature:
    As a classic and lit enjoyer who cannot go back to mainstream or genre fiction, I agree with you. People have different reasons for reading!!!
    As a small gaming content creator and streamer, I basically play game all day which doesn’t require the same critical thinking as reading literature does. Obviously lol
    That’s partly why I enjoy lit so much- because it requires me to use my brain . Most people have to use their brain at work all day so I completely understand wanting to read to relax or for escapism
    On the topic of dystopian, I read dystopian because I like comparing and contrasting the book vs real life on top of several other reasons. I think it gives a very important insight but I completely understand and relate to reading other genres for escapism

    • @tigcr
      @tigcr 5 месяцев назад +2

      OH IM BACK
      I hate hate reading books with very very cliche stereotypical tropes with flat characters and that’s mainly plot driven.
      I hate it! Id rather have fleshed out developed and realistic characters…that act in character.
      My dad described my view point best: “Stephen king is an incredible Author and most of his books are very well written. BUT as I was reading one of his books, a character did something so out or character it actually made me angry”
      I want well-written realistic dystopian like Fahrenheit 451. Not genre booktok fav: Red Rising.
      I want to read book with deeper meaning and themes. Like Flowers for Algernon
      I want to read a book with fleshed out dynamic characters with realistic relationships. Like Don Quixote
      Which is why I view booktok recommendations as a Do not read list. I don’t judge people for reading books on booktok. Do what makes you happy. Just don’t judge me for being a classics only reader 😭

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@tigcr The problem, I think, begins when people start to consider "but what are 'the classics' going to become after the current classics get phased back a few more generations" or such. Like, if/when people start worrying too much about which books are or aren't going to get "preserved" or continue to stay the most popularly read and well-known and frequently recommended in the future.
      It's just funny to me though, because it isn't something merely fitting into any particular trope or not that really determines if something is or isn't particularly well-rounded and developed or fleshed out or realistic. Classics like Fahrenheit and Quixote are also full of tropes. Characters behaving consistently or not with what has or hasn't been established for/about that particular character is an issue of writing or storytelling continuity, not really tropes, nor stereotypes or clichés.
      But, that being said, I'm not going to judge anyone for reading only classics or avoiding booktok or the reverse or anything either-read whatever you personally feel like or enjoy! 💖

  • @MrGreyseptember
    @MrGreyseptember 5 месяцев назад +14

    How should I say this... When I was 16, I read War and Peace for fun, and when I was 20, - the entire bibliography of Hermann Hesse. At the age of 13, I read non-fiction on history, geography, and astronomy for fun, and at the age of 7 (because there were no other books at home, and it was the 90s in post-Soviet Ukraine) - Agatha Christie and classic scientific fiction (Isaac Asimov, Stanislav Lem and all that kind of stuff). So sometimes people read "boring" books for fun. But yes, I need to clarify that I am autistic, and perhaps this explains everything 😅

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад

      i love that i grew up reading Agatha Christie and russian classic literature for fun too hahahha 😂😂

  • @tinyprettymoon
    @tinyprettymoon 5 месяцев назад +18

    To add to the non-white list of authors, Kat Cho, Soyoung Park, Amélie Wen Zhao, Marie Lu, Renée Ahdieh, and Kendare Blake. There’s definitely more, but these are the ones I’ve personally read and enjoyed.
    Also I never noticed how nobody really talks about the synopsis of books lol. Elliot Brooks reads the synopsis when she does her upcoming releases videos but I have noticed that for myself, sometimes I’ll completely ignore it or only read part of it. There was one I picked up and only read about half and didn’t even understand it fully and it ended up being a terrible reading experience. The only time I’ve had success with mostly ignoring the synopsis was with Snowglobe by the aforementioned Soyoung Park. Definitely a bad habit I need to break cuz it seems way more likely to lead to disappointment than being pleasantly surprised lol

    • @ashleys_space
      @ashleys_space 5 месяцев назад +2

      At this point, influencers are giving recs strictly based on tropes. They are also doing the “I can’t really tell you what it’s about without spoiling it” trend. Which makes me side eye people because you can definitely give a detailed description of a book without spoiling it. I sometimes forget that this is an income for most influencers so they aren’t always reliable.

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад

      ​​​@@ashleys_space Well, it depends on what you consider to be "spoiling" or not. A lot of people consider a whole lot more things to count as "spoiling" than a lot of others do.
      That being said, though, recs based on tropes are fine....if tropes are actually exactly what someone is looking for. But other types of discussions and/or recommendations should also always still exist, for anyone else looking for something more or other than just anything with a particular trope.

  • @niccc9476
    @niccc9476 5 месяцев назад +19

    Some more non-white authors to check out: Faridah Àbíké-Íyímídé, Aiden Thomas, Bolu Babalola, Dean Atta, K. Ancrum, Xiran Jay Zhao, Toni Morrison, N. K. Jemisin, Chloe Gong, Saleem Haddad, Hafsah Faizal, James Baldwin, Ocean Vuong.
    I technically have nothing against the tropeification of literature (other than it reminds me of fanfiction...), but it becomes really annoying when people describe a contemporary romance as "enemies to lovers". Like what do you mean, enemies? In an office? If I read enemies-to-lovers, I'm expecting fights to the death, with swords and magic lol
    Also, I wish booktokers would promote/use their local libraries more! I know there are many people doing that already, but the constant book hauls (and unhauls) are wild.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад +2

      exactly my thoughts, enemies to lovers in a contemporary setting? bffr 😂

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад

      I would expect the mafia/mob/etcetera to be involved or like some kind of crime fiction with a law upholder versus a law breaker or a longstanding family feud or super bigwig companies trying to buy out a smaller businesses or something with espionage/political intrigue/assassins/black ops or something. I think the problem is that most people don't bother to learn whether or not there are other tropes, like hate-to-love, that would better suit what they're actually trying to market/sell(and they don't realize how some things can have an intersection of multiple differing tropes together like areas of overlap in the circles on a venn diagram)-they just care what's the most "buzzy" catchphrase or not, the most likely to catch the most eyes regardless of whether that's specifically what those eyes are actually looking for or not.
      I don't personally find the fact that it reminds me of fanfiction to be a problem at all. I actually like that it reminds me of fanfiction, it was always easier to find exactly what I wanted to get into reading[ and to avoid exactly what I didn't want to read] in fanfiction. Outside of fanfiction, you used to have to check tvtropes wiki/org or something to know exactly what things to gravitate toward or avoid in anything remotely close to the same way. But tropes in general have existed and been in just about everything just about everywhere for basically all of time. The only thing that's really changed is now we're identifying commonalities on purpose, and/or purposely trying to appeal things to those common threads. But that was also a thing, long before tiktok, the industry was already jumping on various trends or storytelling conventions to the nth degree. All tropes do is stick a label or spotlight on those trends, rather than simply allowing them to remain a little more nebulous and unidentified or as something that is still there but isn't consciously thought about quite as much.
      But maybe that's just me-idekk. Lol

  • @lindqvistsandra
    @lindqvistsandra 5 месяцев назад +8

    On the matter in instagram posting vs TikTok posting feeling cringe. For me, a 38 year old Swedish person, posting on TikTok would feel like the most cringe thing ever so I think there’s a generational aspect of it. Maybe :)

  • @ashleys_space
    @ashleys_space 5 месяцев назад +9

    To add to the list of Non-white authors. Mary Monroe, Keisha Ervin, Diane McKinney Whetstone, Tayari Jones, Eric Jerome Dickey, Bernice McFadden, Zora Neale Hurston, Alice Walker, Maya Angelou, Jesmyn Ward, Gloria Naylor, Tracy Brown, Zane, Omar Tyree, Daniel Black, Delores Phillips.

  • @scarletmilk805
    @scarletmilk805 5 месяцев назад +10

    Not A Clockwork Reader being an essential meme for showing emotion of a book about trauma (that clip is from a video about her reading sad books). Sigh this argument has become very tired and I wish people would just talk about books plainly like booktube has done for years. I personally don’t care about tropes. I just want to know more about the plot so I can determine if the book is worth my time. Wish some booktok users would do more of that. Also I’m tired of seeing these problematic authors steadily being promoted by tictokers and they don’t care 🤷🏽‍♀️. Algorithm is important when it comes to tictok especially. But unfortunately it doesn’t really stop some videos from slipping through. Cultivate your algorithm carefully and call people out for problematic behavior and content. Don’t bully anyone because what I also discovered is people just genuinely don’t know because the bookish space is vast and everyone has an opinion. ❤ Nice Video

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад +1

      thank you for watching🫶🏻✨

    • @ellealine4159
      @ellealine4159 5 месяцев назад +3

      Seen that clip being used as a negative example for booktok multiple times now... so upsetting

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ellealine4159 I didn't personally get the impression like it actually was being implied here in this particular video to be a specifically bad/negative thing, more just that it is simply a thing in general. I didn't think she ever said it was bad thing that people get openly emotional like this, she just said it is a fact that more people are being more and more openly emotional over books/reading in general, and used that clip as a totally neutral example of someone being emotional over reading/books. Don't assume whether someone thinks a thing is a bad thing or a good thing, unless they actually specify either way, and this particular video stresses over and over that it's not specifically a bad thing and just acknowledges that it is a thing in general which does differ somewhat from common/popular perceptions in the past regarding reading/books. But I disagree that this actually started with tiktok, I'm pretty sure it started long before then, tiktok really just exacerbated it and called more awareness to it in a much more mainstream consciousness or whatever. 🙂

  • @nicoler5713
    @nicoler5713 5 месяцев назад +6

    I think what interests me is how a lot of conversation talking about booktok does talk about reading previously being seen as this very intellectual hobby. I feel like we are forgetting that, even pre-social media, we were still aware of "non-intellectual" literature. The term "chick lit" really is just the old term for "tiktok literature".
    There's an essay about sexism in this but i am being harassed by my dog to throw his ball, so it'll have to wait.

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад +4

      Also "pulp fiction".
      And even pre-social-media, there were always different types of readers; those drier or more stuffy/uppity/elitest or "serious" / "intellectual" types[ or whatever], versus the more casual reader who honestly has always just read for the avid love of reading this or that or another thing. 🤭🤭 🙂 It's basically the whole entire thing/shtick of the Literary Fiction genre versus other Genre Fiction type genres(!).
      I mean, once upon a time, basically anything that was targeted at younger audiences or at specifically female audiences was treated as somehow less serious or valuable. Now, I think we're really just having growing pains trying to somehow separate the more serious literature from everything else by more than just gender or age or genre, because plenty of people read both types while plenty of others read only one or the other. But there have been other societal changes over the years, like moving away from the Romantic era into a more Pragmatic era, which have also caused opinions to shift over time regarding what was or wasn't "proper"/"serious" literature or whatever too.

  • @violetbickerton3840
    @violetbickerton3840 5 месяцев назад +8

    In regards to diversity I feel like people are forgetting it's a for YOU page, and it is mostly the user who controls what they watch - the more time you spend liking and commenting on videos that reflect your taste and following the creators, the more you'll find. If you can't find what you're looking for, the search bar is right there. It might take time to find what you like but I feel finding what you don't want to read is as important as finding what you do.

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад +1

      hard agree 💯

    • @jaginaiaelectrizs6341
      @jaginaiaelectrizs6341 5 месяцев назад

      (Plus... isn't there an option to click to say "don't show me things like this" on tiktok too?🤔 If there isn't, there definitely should be; I know there is on RUclips. 😂)

  • @ReadtoFilth
    @ReadtoFilth 5 месяцев назад +7

    I think it’s just a consumerism fad and it does help people to read more. Reading is a personal hobby and there will always be gate keepers. It’s your decision on what kinds of books you want to read and what you want to get out of it. I’m just glad that booktok encourage people into reading more but it’s a double edged sword for sure.

  • @PoppyMorreale
    @PoppyMorreale 5 месяцев назад +28

    I'm so curious whats going to happen to booktok if tiktok gets banned

    • @the_stashiest
      @the_stashiest 5 месяцев назад +13

      I hope it doesn’t turn into RUclips Book Shorts or something like that. Or, God forbid, Book Reels.

    • @friight_
      @friight_ 5 месяцев назад +3

      @@the_stashiestI didn’t know there was a difference.

    • @nia356
      @nia356 5 месяцев назад +3

      they migrate to bookstagram maybe?

    • @the_stashiest
      @the_stashiest 5 месяцев назад

      @@nia356 Yeah. Or Booktube.

    • @katgreer6113
      @katgreer6113 5 месяцев назад +7

      I hope they don't come to booktube. For some reason I love booktube but can't stand booktok.

  • @dameliie
    @dameliie 5 месяцев назад +10

    a 45 minutes long video essay??? omg we’ve been blessed thank you 💗💗💗

  • @user-ej8ui5dq8s
    @user-ej8ui5dq8s 5 месяцев назад +4

    i genuinely miss old booktube

  • @marina-gb6jz
    @marina-gb6jz 2 месяца назад +2

    People sometimes forget that there was always a lot of books that weren't thought provoking and serious in the past as well. XIX century had "silly", not so serious books that were very popular. We just know only remember the best works from that time period. And a lot of our classics weren't read much back then. The same thing happens all the time, we are simply living through it. Somewhere in the XXII century nobody will probably remember most of "tiktok" books just like lots of other books from the past that we've forgotten

    • @alvafairchild13
      @alvafairchild13 13 дней назад

      This is very true my biggest issue with them blaming tiktok for books becoming worse when easy read digestible crap that's popular has been published long before that app was even an idea and they always will be its got nothing to do with an app and everything to do with the general public

  • @marina-gb6jz
    @marina-gb6jz 2 месяца назад

    You know what's interesting. Choosing exactly what you want to read with a collection of your favorite tropes used to be a fanfic thing. That's how most website were always set - you can search for a very specific thing you want to read. Now the same thing happens with book. I'm not sure if that's good or bad. Also it is absolutely an echo-chamber/info bubble that algorithms create

  • @mauranepieters6529
    @mauranepieters6529 5 месяцев назад +1

    Everyone making the same video’s 🙄 the irony

  • @annvik3772
    @annvik3772 5 месяцев назад +1

    manacled my beloved

    • @rayareadzzzz
      @rayareadzzzz  5 месяцев назад

      i soft dnfed it because of how much anxiety it was giving me 🥲🥲

  • @cerine8322
    @cerine8322 4 месяца назад

    the video content aside for a second, love your make up so much I had to say it 😍 the eyeshadow is stunning

  • @LUISUNBREAKABLEMUSIC
    @LUISUNBREAKABLEMUSIC 5 месяцев назад

    I love this video beside i think you have a beautiful voice

  • @SchoggiGurke
    @SchoggiGurke 5 месяцев назад

    Super excited about this video! Can't wait to watch it!

  • @duaxxel
    @duaxxel 5 месяцев назад +4

    i was just wondering what should i listen to while doing the dishes but i still wanna listen and watch at the same time what should i do 🥲