338 Lapua is one of those calibers you don't need but want. If you want to reach out past 1,500 yards you can. And it's always a crowd favorite at a shooting range. Loud doesn't even begin to describe it. It's fun
@@DaneZ28 I understand that, but you said past 1500yds. Any of the calibers I mentioned will easily get you to a mile. You didn't say 2000yds which you still don't need a 338. 300prc and especially 300 Norma Mag will get you there and past 2000yds.
@nate18268 Mountain ranges. Me, brother, and I made our own. Have it out to 1.5 miles. Haven't hit the 1.5 mile target yet. But have hit the 1 mile target several times.
A good friend of mine brought a TRG42 fishing once. We were at his brother's farm and after a lot of casting and not much catching he decided to get out the guns. We set up a target on a 4'x4' piece of plywood on the neighboring property and got out the shooting bench. 812yds. I shot a 5 inch group that day and was hooked. fast forward a little over a decade and a couple of months before he passed away from cancer he managed to run that rifle out to a mile. It's now resting in my safe and is a cherished memory of a great friend. Sometimes practical is just impractical.
The reason you need a .338 lapua is the same reason someone would need a Ferrari. Because it’s badass. Is it worth the price? That’s completely subjective. So yes. It’s worth every penny… or dollar I should say.
The 338 Lapua has more Energy at 2 Kilometers (for us europeans) than a 44 Mag at the muzzle... I was so shocked, mindblown, by this fact, I had to re-watch a few times...
The Lapua mag has few competitors. The only one commonly available is the 338 Win Mag. It’s far less costly than the more powerful options but it is about 600 yards shy of the Lapua’s impact velocity when firing the same 250 grain bullets. If that’s the world you need to be in, you’re just going to have to pay the toll.
@@kodybracken518 You are right about that but, the 338 RUM isn’t available in very many off the rack rifles. The Win Mag is just about everywhere but it’s pretty much out of the running from the start. And that leads to my point that if you want the Lapua’s performance, you’re just going to have to pay for it. No two ways around it.
Just so you know, I've had both the Winchester and Lapua. The former was a 24" barreled Win. Model 70 and the latter was a 26" barreled Browning. At the time there were two different manufacturers offering high energy factory loadings for the Winchester that chronographed within 100 fps. of what the Lapua factory rounds would do with equal projectile weights! I sold the Lapua but wish I hadn't since the action would have been ideal for a later .50/416 wildcat that I developed. Also, I later got a Weatherby Mk. V in .340 Why. Mag. with a 26" barrel that equals the Lapua and comes within 50-75 fps. of the .338/378's that I have had in 26" barrels (especially, when using RL-26) with 250 grain bullets. The .340 may just be my favorite Weatherby cartridge... though the new RPM cartridges are interesting! P.S.: As was pointed out in this video, the cost of the gun which I got new for ~ $300.00 under dealer cost was a lot less than the extensive load development that followed over the next year and a half that ran further into the thousands of dollars than I am willing to admit.
I got around this problem by running a 30SM. Use 300PRC for fire forming and practice, reload it with N570 and 205gr SBD-2 bullets, and I have BETTER ballistics than a typical factory 338 Lapua to 1 mile and beyond. Cost of the finished reload is still under $2. The bullets have a g7 of .402, are fired at 3100fps and are solid copper and thus much more consistent than a lead core bullet. Less recoil, less weight, 2/3 the powder, and superior ballistics.
I have a Christensen MPR setup with a Razor Gen III, Spuhr mount and Atlas bipod. I have many other fine pistols, ARs and bolt action rifles but that 338 performance and power is simply AMAZING! Put a can on it and it doesn't have bad recoil at all. $5-7 per round but cheaper than a 1oz pour of bourbon and no hang over with the exception of the euphoria, lol
Owning a Barret 95 and a 300 Win Mag, I've never been able to rationalize getting a 338. I also figured that if a 750 grain bullet won't stop something, I probably shouldn't be shooting at it, and I don't want to make it angry. Plus I can use my 300 Win Mag from a lot more positions than a 338 or a 50.
I bought a savage 110 precision in 338 and lucky enough I had someone selling off their gun and shells and I got them for 5$ a piece Canadian (Canadian dollar is like 35% less valuable than American) so a few hundred shells and I love the gun. actuate, decent price and good kicks when watching peoples reactions when I pull it out at the range. im 19 so its really funny because the older guys will go on and on about their 300 win mags and some teen shows up with a wall remover
I needed and wanted a 338 Lapua so i bought the Ruger precision rifle in 338 Lapua going into it knowing it was going to be expensive the riffle bare bones out the door $1,800 the vortex scope $1,200 the bipod $500.00. Then I bought two boxes of Hornady match $200.00 for 40 rounds but i have been reloading for 20 years and got lucky with a friend that had a friend that had about 160 peaces of brass I got for free. Like you said she is a loud girl when you send it down range it the shot heard around the world and i love it 👍
I have been shooting a 338lapua for quite a while now. Yes the lapua brass is exspensive over hornady and other brands. That being said the lapua brass you can get 10-12 reloads from lapua brass vs the 3-4 reloads from jornady or nosler brass. Just my 2cents from what my years of shooting it have shown.
@@ColinSMcKim honestly depending on how you load it but I'm switching out barrels about the 2k mark though if one was loading on the light side you could stretch it out to about 2.5k. To me it has a bit more barrel life then you would think and compared to some others.
@@simplicityrm I've had to replace my .300 Win Mag barrel twice. If I were to have fired the same number of rounds through my Lapua, it would probably be the same. At 64k psi for Win Mag, and 69k psi for the .338, you can get a lot of erosion. I shoot the 190gr. SMK in .300 and the 300gr SMK in the Lapua, so I'm thinking the 2k round mark is a good number to really start watching your accuracy. The main thing is that the .338 is probably the best 'affordable' ultra long range that is readily available. I love the .408 Cheytac, but you are talking about a 15k dollar gun and over $10/round, and can go over $20/round. If you love the sound of steel ringing at a mile plus, the .338 is great,.... if you are consistently under 800-1000 yards, stick with a .300 WM. Thanks to BB for having such a easy channel to watch. You are doing great.
I have been shooting a .340 Weatherby magnum for years now and suspect I have fired somewhere around 2,000 rounds through it. It is probably as close to the .338 Lapua as any cartridge today. It has been my go-to rifle for elk and bear hunting, but mostly it has been my long-range "plinker" rifle. I have wasted a small fortune just shooting at small rocks, sticks, and clay pigeons placed on hillsides up to a tad beyond 1,250 yards, the limit of my scope adjustments. It was a sub-MOA rifle until the barrel and I got old, but even at our "advanced age" the rifle shoots with MOA accuracy on my good days. Luckily, I invested in reloading supplies back before prices became astronomical. I'll never need to buy ammunition again. It is a beast of a rifle that will test your hearing protection, hammer your shoulder, drain your wallet, and make big dramatic holes in game. You can blow up a lot of meat and make a real mess for your taxidermist too. It's a lot of power, so use it wisely! Before I go, I'd like to add that I also shoot my .257 Weatherby magnum to the same distances with about the same accuracy, but with far less retained energy at the target, of course.
Yep....I laughed at a guy shooting 338LM at 300 Yards.... This guy is Just Stupid shooting at 50Yards... Do you see the steel window he is shooting through....LOL
Just bought my first .338 yesterday and I gotta say, I absolutely did not need it. But. I’m a single dude in my 20s so I had a few extra bucks to spend and damn I’m so glad I did. Shit may take down a rhino but I’m still gonna plink with it 😂😂😂
I have a Savage 111 in .338 LM and don't regret one day of buying it. My father-in-law likes the caliber so much he bought a Ruger Precision in .338 LM. Also fun to shoot with a suppressor
Back before the world became turned upside down, you could purchase a Sako TRG-S, the sporting version in .338 Lapua for under $600 brand new. When you purchased scope rings, a bipod, extra magazine, well you were in it for another $450. The Sako TRG-42 was under $2000, the 3 ring scope mount was another $400, spare magazine $250, $350 for a bi-pod. Still not bad. Lapua brass was under $1.25 a round, except at Midway who demanded $2.00 a round. Lapua Scenar 250 grain bullets were $60 per 100. So all in, once you had the brass, powder, primer and bullet, you could reload for under $1.50 a round verses $4.00 a round for loaded Lapua 250 grain Scenar's. I've got around 400 pieces of brass and process in lots of 50 at a time. After the second firing, the neck gets annealed. I've got one lot of 10 cases that have been loaded 8 times with no case neck splits
Liked. Subscribed. Notifications on. Loved this video, man. Very relevant analysis. I think there is plenty of conversation for wanting overmatch in the 700-1000yd range, not just the ability to go well beyond. You can definitely hit with .308 at 1000, but magnum loads like this will see less variability.
The .338 Norma gives a similar performance and is just as good. The Norma version is a modern case, short and fat. There is also the 300 Norma, which uses the same case as the .338 and is a very good peformer.
With proper annealing, you can get multiple reloads. Case in point: Back in 2007, a man by the name of Tom Sarver shot a 1.403" group at 1000 yards using a wildcat he created called the 300 Hulk. The brass he used to shoot that match was on its 58th firing. 57 reloads would drop that brass down to $.065 per shot. Not saying you will get 50+ reloads on every piece of brass. But definitely more than 10. So, agreed. You can bring the price of brass down by reusing it. Annealing increases how many times you can reuse it.
My nephew bought one a Savage model 112 I think and I loaded him some rounds. Yeah the charge in his Lapua is 94-96 grains I know it’s in the 90’s but not sure. He shot a 1,000 yards and was dinging steel.
Hi Banana Ballistics ! Here is a tip. 6.5x55mm (6.5 Swedish) The 6.5 is a very old cartridge that has always been extremely popular in Europe, and for good reason. It has been an excellent long range competition cartridge with excellent 6.5 bullets available. There have also been companies such as Lapua and Norma that have always loaded superb match grade ammo for it. Over the years I have become a fan of this cartridge based off of its history, pleasant shooting qualities, and great long range accuracy. Unfortunately, the 6.5x55 has never really been considered for much long range shooting in the USA, although to serious long range shooters and European shooters its no real surprise at how well this cartridge does. In the USA there was a brief bit of interest in this cartridge a few years ago but the thing that has hurt it recently is the introduction of the short action 6.5 cartridges such as the 260 Remington, 6.5x47 Lapua and 6.5 creedmore. These all produce performance on par with the USA loaded 6.5x55 ammo, but in a short action. But, you see, the 6.5x55 actually has more case capacity than the others but because there are so many very old rifles built and chambered for this cartridge, most of the *USA manufacturers are not willing to load this cartridge to its potential*. Instead of labeling the ammo "modern firearm use only" they have decided to handicap everyone using the 6.5x55. In Europe, this is not a problem so Lapua, Norma and others load it to much higher velocities. HSM here in the USA is also working on a hot version of the 6.5x55 with the sierra 142 SMK as well and that should be out very soon and readily available for the USA shooters. The 6.5 has long been known for its excellent accuracy and absurdly high ballistic coefficients. With some of the European loads available and with HSM introducing a full capacity load, the 6.5 can be seriously considered for sniping. Additionally, I can really see the benefits for Law Enforcement applications, as it generally shoots a lighter bullet then the .308, but heavier then the .243, falling nicely right in between. The 6.5 deserves consideration for military application also, and has been chambered in some older military sniper rifles (WWII vintage). The round actually outperforms the .308 match loads in both the 168gr and 175gr, and its less susceptible to wind and arrives on target with as much energy at ranges over 600 yards. The penetration should be good as well with the superior sectional density of the 6.5 bullets. The only other problem I can see is the lack of sniper grade weapons chambered for the 6.5. But most of the custom sniper rifle manufacturers will chamber their rifles in any caliber the purchaser wants (Sometimes for a small additional fee). Hopefully rifle manufacturers will realize the great potential of the 6.5 and start to produce their sniper rifles in 6.5x55, though with the popularity of the other 6.5 short action cartridges, I doubt this will happen. Recommendation: The 6.5x55m makes a very good Law Enforcement round as well as a very capable military sniping cartridge. When using the heavier bullets the round is excellent at ranges up to and potentially beyond 1000 meters far out performing the 308 rounds. www.snipercentral.com/6-5x55mm-6-5-swedish/ Sincerely Tom. Cheers m8s.
I just came across this video and yes the cost of ammo definitely burst my bubble. I wanted one so bad and was dead set on buying one, cash in hand, then i decided to do the math before i purchased one. I ended up going home empty handed. On to my next dream i guess lol.
I bought the non elite model and love it, here in my area you don't get the muzzle brake on the elite and I wasn't going to try to find one as it took about a year to find factory ammo
I've watched your channel enough it was time to sub. I've never seen a comparison showing among of powder used loading various cartridges and that was an eye opening comparison. Thanks and I've enjoyed as well as learned quite a bit from you. A few years back I overheard a coworker talking about getting and setting up a rifle to shoot 1000 yds. I thought that was something I could really enjoy when I retired and decided to.donate a portion of my 401 k retirement to a known builder to build a long range precision rifle for me. I settled for 6.5 Creedmoor and started my schooling for long range 101. The most difficult so far unobtainable necessities required in this sport for me is location. I ve yet to find any place to shoot 1000 yds I'm still looking 5 years later.
Talk about a Fun Gun! Not practical, but if you've managed to grow up while retaining your immaturity, it's possible to invent reasons why nothing else will do. And then there's the added benefit of the muzzle blast keeping your range table free of dust, and anything else that weighs less than 10 pounds. About recoil: I have an AR-10 that gets uncomfortable after awhile, but my Savage 110BA is a shove compared to the AR-10's boot to the shoulder. Could shoot it all day (with the aid of a second mortgage).
Good points! The real reason for the .338 L is staying supersonic at longer distances. In the GI world, targets know your weapons and stay out of your range. But most civilians don't have 1500 meter ranges.
I purchased a Savage 110BA (like your rifle) when they first came out. Yes, it's expensive (I re-load now) and I don't shoot it much. But totally worth it!
Right. Been drooling over the RPR 338 LM and crunching the numbers, or is it 'Cringing' the numbers, anyway.... if I pull the trigger, I see another die set in my tea leaves.
Got a Savage M112 years ago, handloads run about $1.35 every trigger pull--1/2" groups and less about 30% of the time. It's the first rifle I ever experienced that a consistent hold measurably influences the group size.
Just for the sake of argument I am going to make the case for the 338 Norma. I decided to build one because I got a smoking deal on 250 grain Bthp factory second at 26 cents a piece. That was my deciding factor in going down the 338 rabbit hole. I bought 5000 bullets at that price. 10 boxes of 500. Now brass is much cheaper for 338 Norma. I bought 250 cases of Peterson brass for 450 dollars. So I bought 2 of them for 500 pieces of brass. I use ball powder and have found it to be much cheaper than H1000. So I am currently loading the 338 Norma for less than $1.50 a shot. Yes I love the energy and I am shooting a factory Christensen Arms Mesa. It rocks. A suppressor is a must with this big gun and a Simple Silencerco Hybrid 46 does a great job at taming recoil and muzzle blast. Can’t be happier with my big boomer.
If you want a recommendation for powder Ramshot LRT is very good. Getting 1 moa with not much load development. It’s available and cheep at about 27 dollars a pound 2022 prices. More choices for ball powder in the same burn rate for less than stick powder if you look around. Yes I bought a lot of powder.
In the multi-caliber Barrett MRAD, the .338 Norma Magnum is considered the anti-materiel round. The military also has insanely expensive .338 caliber 300 gr special effects rounds (exploding) for use on light vehicles, radars, etc. The Large Rifle Magnum primer is also required for reloads of course, and they are not that expensive (about 12c before tax and shipping) but currently near impossible to find. I got lucky and was able to pick up some boxes of 1000 ct Remington LRM primers off Natchezz a few weeks ago, but they sold out in less than 1/2 day.
Really an excellent video. I loved the graphic powder comparisons. Also liked the noise comparison. And the analysis of how much energy the bullet carries- at 2150 yards the same as a .44 WinMag at the muzzle!
Talking about cost of bullets. One day I was picking up some .300WinMag, and saw a box for $3.99 thinking it was $23.99 I only got one box. After the lady rang it up the price was$3.99. My buddy and I ended up buying all 15 boxes that was years ago and I'm still working through it.
I've never NEEDED any of the firearms I've bought, and yet... I still have them. If I only bought or held onto things I needed, I wouldn't have half of my possessions. I bought mine strictly because I WANTED it and it was in my budget and it was there!
I beg your pardon, I purchased my first 338LP in 2009, it was a custom built rifle on a Rem 700 action the gunsmith did not let it out of his shop until it shot under an inch at 300 yards. At the time the only after market factory loads were Black Hills at $120, per box of 20, and LP factory loads were $85. per box of 10 rounds. So of course I hand loaded * pound kegs of powder and 500 per bullet box of bullets. LP brass in bulk (No Box) when available is 20% less expensive. My loads/reloads average $6. per.
I own a Barrett M98Bravo 338LM. I LOVE that rifle! I can hit a quarter at 500 yds and I never have time to practice. I use Lapua brass, Vihtavuori N570 @ 92 grains with a Hornady 285gr ELD match bullet and CCI LRM primer. Tack drivers! Using a mag chrono I'm getting about 2.1 max fps variance between rounds. If you have $12k for the rifle, optics and a suppressor, I highly recommend it!
Own a .338 lapua, watched ammo go from $4 a round to $6 a round. I use VLD ber bullets. My go to rounds for extreme range are .338/.378 and the lapua. Is it worth the cost. Not at this time. But hella lot of fun.
Love mine, fun cartridge to shoot. (But correct . . . not very often. Yikes it is expensive!) When she sings . . . that note is sweet to experience. Thanks for the post - I had been considering the reload option and I enjoyed your take on it and $$$ break down.
I built a custom throated 300 WM Savage that shoots the 225gr ELDM at 3000 fps out of a 28” barrel without pressure signs…. Stays supersonic out to 2500 yards. Carries 80% of the energy of a .338, but is less than 1/4 the cost to reload. I’ll stick with my Winnie.
I am actually on my Second 338 Lapua. The first one was a Remington 700 Police rifle and I traded it in on a Christensen arms MPR also in 338 Lapua. The at last spring's local gun show. Somebody brought in a Christensen Arms Mesa Long range one and I halfway thought about getting it as well. you are right about reloading it is less expensive the big thing the last couple of years was finding bullets I usually shoot Nosler bullets and the powder I bought was geared toward them. Of course After I bought Barnes bullets then i found Nosler bullets . Oh well I am set for bullets' for a long time.
I’ve been using .338 lm for several years, it’s hard to shoot a lot from this caliber, and as the author noted, it’s expensive, if I want to spend a lot of time at the shooting range😊, I take 308win and 7.62x54R with me
If you want to achieve the same trajectory as a 338 Lapua use a 6.5 that drives the Lapua B434 144gr fmjbt (BC.636!) to 3000fps (6.5-284 Norma 6.5PRC etc comes close) Easier to shoot and easier on the wallet!
This is why I went with the 7mm RUM. Best all around. Not as good as the Lapua at 2000 yards. I think 50 BMG would be much better performance and cost wise, but I wanted to be about to hike with it. My RUM is only 7 1/2lbs...WHhhat a kick thou. Most of these super high powered rounds are shoulder destroyers.
Rather than the energy, velocity, and range questions about .338 Lapua, the biggest issue many of us have when we start looking up .338 Lapua, especially from a prepper or militia/civil defense standpoint, is “which cartridge, .338 Lapua or .50 BMG as the the two military and law enforcement anti-materiel/anti-armor rounds, is going to be more prevalent and useful enough for a variety of civil defense applications, that its ability to scavenge in the field when supply lines are cut off outweighs the cost per round?” The classic example is the North Hollywood Shootout, where it took hours before LAPD SWAT could acquire the hardware needed to dispatch the two suspects covered head to toe in Class IV armor. If a conscientious gun owner like a Rooftop Korean were in place to aid and coordinate with outgunned law enforcement, but running low on ammo, which long range, anti-armor round would it make sense for that good samaritan to have their rifle chambered in if the only way they could reload is to scavenge off a fallen SWAT team or get ammo airdropped to their position? My gut tells me .50 BMG is the answer, despite .338 becoming more commonplace amongst National Guard and law enforcement applications, the added hearing loss of .50 BMG exposure over long-term use, the fewer ranges that allow .50 BMG practice, and the cost per round.
The scope for mine was the biggest expense. Since I load all my own ammunition, factory ammunition is not an issue. And since I already have the powder and primers for other large magnum rifles, the only expense was for brass and bullets. Not bad, considering the cost of the scope was over twice what I paid for the rifle itself.
I've owned my 110 FCP HS Precision in .338 Lapua for about 3 years now. I haven't shot it too much, but it is always fun to get out and shoot. For hunting.. well it's a great on Elk and Bear at range. I stick to .308 for deer and close range hunting. Btw. Reason #3 .. loud? ... it's quieter than my .308.... ... ... Granted my .308 doesn't have a threaded barrel like my .338 and something something Banish 338 Though honestly I don't take mine to range much. I purchased it for Elk hunting. I have 300PRC for shooting steel at range.
Well,consider that for most people driving a half ton pickup truck makes lots of sense. It will transport you to where you want to go, tow your 16 foot boat, your 20 foot camping trailer, and is even available with 4 wheel drive so that you can navigate those back dirt roads. Plus, it is relatively inexpensive to operate. Everybody needing a truck should own a half ton pickup right? lol Well not everybody has a need to haul a big heavy load, but for those that do, you will need a real truck, and the same is true with most other things, including cartridges.
The 6.5 CM is for when you need to hit a cinder block at 1,000 meters...the .338 LM is for when you need to kill something through a cinder block wall at 1,000 meters
When it comes to expense, I shoot a .375 RUM. I hear ya about the cost of ammo nowadays. But, one thing I’m glad I don’t have is a muzzle brake for it. Sure, the .375 RUM has as much felt recoil as a .470 Nitro Express, but not using a muzzle brake will save your hearing.
Do you get stuck cases in your savage ? I gage the 110 fcp in the HS stock & get stuck cases once in a while even with lapua brass …89.5g H1000 & 300g bergers . Hell yeah it’s expensive but fun as hell shooting them at 2k yds 😂🤘🏾
I purchased my first 338 Lapua when savage started selling it in the 110BA, back then it was $60 for a box of 20, two more Lapua's later and now I have a good stockpile of brass but plan to move to 338 Norma, it has the same performance but uses less powder.
I reload 338 lap. I don’t typically shoot the 300gr bullets with 100gr of powder, not that there’s anything wrong with them. I use a 200gr Speer with 4350 and 74gr for “short” range blasting load. It’s a good load out to 800 and it’s less than a dollar a round to reload
Love my 338 Lapua, very expensive McMillan rifle,, now check this out Ruger precision rifle 243 that thing weighs more than my 338 McMillan handloads Lapua brass Magnum primers, 115 grain Berger tactical bullets impressive Eleven hundred yards all day😮😮😮😮
Expensive yes! $9.40 USD in New Zealand, but you only live once. The grin factor is high, and suppressed it is a baby to shoot out of the RPR. Keep them videos going. 🤙
Reality check - you are right. Price of the ammo could potentially make this a conversation starter , not a practical gun to shoot. 5 rounds magazine - $30 - $50 But the 26” barrel could compensate for all my personal problems 🤪
@@MrJeffreyg I have been reloading 338LM @ or below $1 and post pandemic LLLLLLLong range @$1.31 what are you shooting , Ware Wolfs +? LOL.... Guys buy smart & stock up, when the prices are low.....This is a variable market.
Thanks for the reply. What am I shooting? 93 grains H1000/.46 cents, 250 grain Sierra Matchking seconds/.85 cents and CCI 250 primer/.04 cents = $1.35. The question is...what are you shooting?@@johnskowron3392
so i own a savage 110 338. a surgeon 338 custom, and a barrett mrad 338/ switch barrel. im thinking about stocking 338lm reloads. i can make 250g hornady bthp/ gwt brass loads for 2.90 each. my plan is to stock at least 800 rds. in the next year or two. will always be my favorite caliber but $$$. yes its overkill but a lot of fun and more power is always better.
I started getting into bolt-action long distance rifles almost 9 mos ago. Most common caliber rifles I purchased are mostly 300 WM. I bought a SAKO TRG 42 with a NF scope for about $4,300. which is $100 less than brand new plus the fact I got the scope for "free." I bought it on auction at gunbroker. I just acquired my second 338 LM rifle, a Christensen MESA LONG RANGE. The rifle was about $1600 and I got $400 rebate (in form of gift card to spend on their accessories. So, I bought a Leupold scope and C. Cantilever mount and it all came out to $1800. I bought 20 rds of 338 LM 300 gr for about $9/round. I also have a Ruger Precision rifle in 338 LM on layaway. I just checked on GB and somebody is selling 200 rds for $930 ($4.65/rd). I had a discussion with a colleague of mine who introduced me to the world of shooting. She said "you don't go target shooting using your most expensive caliber, but you take your least expensive caliber, 22 LR, for target shooting." I just paid $50 for 525 rds of 22. I have also recently purchased 20 rounds of 416 B for about $200. That is going to be for my DT HTI I have on order. About the same time I got my first LM was after I had a conversation with Robert Vestal (google him) and he said if you want to get into long distance shooting matches you need to go with larger heavier calibers like 338 LM or any of the Cheytec calibers and the reason for it is rather simple. B/c if you miss a 2,000 yard shot you want to be able to see the dust where it lands in your spotting scope and be able to make adjustments. I haven't watched your video all the way to the end yet, so, I don't know whether you talk about cost of all the tools you will need for self-loading. It can easily run up to a couple of thousands of dollars , if not more depending on the quality of the tools. Another food for thought.
would be interested to see how loud it is without the muzzlebreak? put a MB on any rifle and the sound amplifies massively at the shooter and people standing close.
cost is the main reason most people should steer clear of 338. Just choose 30-06. The most expensive 30-06 rounds are cheaper than the cheapest 338 rounds.
Hey man really enjoy your content you do a great job. I've never commented on your show before but I watch it all the time and yes I am a subscriber lol I just wanted to say. That. The 338 Remington ultra has better performance then the 338 lapua. And the best part the Factory ammunition is cheaper for the 338 ultra mag. One thing I would like to see on Your channel Doing a comparison between the 338win mag vs 338 lapua vs 338 Remington ultra mag. I prayed to you then again really enjoy your content keep up the awesome work
Im a Brit. I wish ammo was that cheap even home loaded. I shoot an Accuracy International AXSR in .338 Lapua Magnum. I feed it 300gr Hornady A-Tip. I have shot mine thru a chrono at 1500m and it was still comfortably exceeding mach1 :-) I didnt hit the chrono unlike the .308 guy that followed me. If you want loud.... Shoot it down a tunnel range. Cool effect is. The centre of the 5 target faces.. it goes where you think... The faces in the corners of the target the round is off towards the centre... Our theory is. The air is compressing against the sides of the tunnel and pushing the round inwards. Seems reasonable to me, unless someone knows better?
I think the 7mm Allen Mag would make a better sniper platform than the 338 Lapua. Better ballistics, lil' less weight, and cheaper than the 338 Lapua for projectiles.
Anyone who has been down range of these tools absolutely will understand exactly why and how one can impact a tactical scenario. When you watch the operator of your half track die after someone takes out an engine block from a mile away *just* because they were close enough to the engine block to catch the secondary and tertiary fragmentation from the bullets impact...that shit changes your concept of long range shooting forever.
Because i can cant decide which i like better the 338 lapua or my 338/378 Weatherby. The lapua is a peashooter next to the Weatherby. I use the Weatherby for hunting in northern central British columbia Canada
@@Liamisdead99 I do reload,lol...I even cast and powder coat my own slow speed stuff. It is still a bit more than my cheapness can do...But, I would still like to try one some day.
You could argue throat burn but with today's powders and titanium nitride coatings. Flame front Temps, and metallurgy. It would be pretty cost effective.
i have kar 98 but i never use it i like a 30-06 my fav. is black powder i just love shooting them and i have a set of ubirty 1858 remingtons but they had a lot of work dun to the by a retired colt gunsmith he even filed the barrel till they shot perfectly straight then they shoot cap and ball or 45 long colt have lots of cylinders for them. they took first place in state for hand gun shooting against modern guns that is how good they shoot. i have changed a lot of minds on black powder after they shoot them then i put modern powder mixed it the load boy that make it zing
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Do you already have a .338 Lapua?
If not, you need one.
If you do, then you probably need one more, just to be sure.
338 Lapua is one of those calibers you don't need but want. If you want to reach out past 1,500 yards you can. And it's always a crowd favorite at a shooting range. Loud doesn't even begin to describe it. It's fun
You can reach up to a mile with 6.5, 7mm, 300 wm, 300prc with no issues at all. Only issue would be the shooter and his inability to reload.
@@equalleftrights3130 .338 lapua is still supersonic at a mile out...so you can keep reaching where those calibers just won't. It's just a fact.
@@DaneZ28 I understand that, but you said past 1500yds. Any of the calibers I mentioned will easily get you to a mile. You didn't say 2000yds which you still don't need a 338. 300prc and especially 300 Norma Mag will get you there and past 2000yds.
Where are people finding shooting ranges to go a mile or more? That's one of my biggest concerns with a rifle like this.
@nate18268 Mountain ranges. Me, brother, and I made our own. Have it out to 1.5 miles. Haven't hit the 1.5 mile target yet. But have hit the 1 mile target several times.
A good friend of mine brought a TRG42 fishing once. We were at his brother's farm and after a lot of casting and not much catching he decided to get out the guns. We set up a target on a 4'x4' piece of plywood on the neighboring property and got out the shooting bench. 812yds. I shot a 5 inch group that day and was hooked. fast forward a little over a decade and a couple of months before he passed away from cancer he managed to run that rifle out to a mile. It's now resting in my safe and is a cherished memory of a great friend. Sometimes practical is just impractical.
The reason you need a .338 lapua is the same reason someone would need a Ferrari. Because it’s badass. Is it worth the price? That’s completely subjective. So yes. It’s worth every penny… or dollar I should say.
Yea!!!
In my opinion, a .338 Lapua is way more useful than a Ferrari.
The 338 Lapua has more Energy at 2 Kilometers (for us europeans) than a 44 Mag at the muzzle... I was so shocked, mindblown, by this fact, I had to re-watch a few times...
Just throw a mosin in an archangel stock and pretend
What if I already did and it’s not cuttin it
Not cutting it? Quit shooting up-armored deer lol
You sold me! I just ordered a Barret 338 Lapua!
You will not be disappointed.
338 lapua is not ideal for plinking but never was intended for that application, but for 500 yrd plus for moose hunting I highly recommend it
I absolutely couldn't agree more *proceeds to use it to shoot trash at 20 yards
100% worth it imo. I've had an absolute blast with my Savage 112.
It is definitely a blast!
You guys are "punny!"
The Lapua mag has few competitors. The only one commonly available is the 338 Win Mag. It’s far less costly than the more powerful options but it is about 600 yards shy of the Lapua’s impact velocity when firing the same 250 grain bullets. If that’s the world you need to be in, you’re just going to have to pay the toll.
Can you list those impact velocities?
Negative … it’s closest competitor is the .338 rum , the. Win isn’t even in the conversation
@@kodybracken518
You are right about that but, the 338 RUM isn’t available in very many off the rack rifles. The Win Mag is just about everywhere but it’s pretty much out of the running from the start. And that leads to my point that if you want the Lapua’s performance, you’re just going to have to pay for it. No two ways around it.
Just so you know, I've had both the Winchester and Lapua. The former was a 24" barreled Win. Model 70 and the latter was a 26" barreled Browning. At the time there were two different manufacturers offering high energy factory loadings for the Winchester that chronographed within 100 fps. of what the Lapua factory rounds would do with equal projectile weights! I sold the Lapua but wish I hadn't since the action would have been ideal for a later .50/416 wildcat that I developed.
Also, I later got a Weatherby Mk. V in .340 Why. Mag. with a 26" barrel that equals the Lapua and comes within 50-75 fps. of the .338/378's that I have had in 26" barrels (especially, when using RL-26) with 250 grain bullets. The .340 may just be my favorite Weatherby cartridge... though the new RPM cartridges are interesting!
P.S.: As was pointed out in this video, the cost of the gun which I got new for ~ $300.00 under dealer cost was a lot less than the extensive load development that followed over the next year and a half that ran further into the thousands of dollars than I am willing to admit.
I got around this problem by running a 30SM. Use 300PRC for fire forming and practice, reload it with N570 and 205gr SBD-2 bullets, and I have BETTER ballistics than a typical factory 338 Lapua to 1 mile and beyond. Cost of the finished reload is still under $2. The bullets have a g7 of .402, are fired at 3100fps and are solid copper and thus much more consistent than a lead core bullet. Less recoil, less weight, 2/3 the powder, and superior ballistics.
I have a Christensen MPR setup with a Razor Gen III, Spuhr mount and Atlas bipod. I have many other fine pistols, ARs and bolt action rifles but that 338 performance and power is simply AMAZING! Put a can on it and it doesn't have bad recoil at all. $5-7 per round but cheaper than a 1oz pour of bourbon and no hang over with the exception of the euphoria, lol
Considering an MPR in 338 how is the recoil w no can? What kinda groups u gettin?
Ya know, that's a great perspective to have. Guns and ammo are super expensive but at least I'm not doing drugs 😹
Way more bang for the buck, no pun intended
I was dialing in my .308 a few years ago, and figured why not up the game to 300WM, or heck, even 338 Lapua. I did the math, and found the same thing.
Save the real toys for the big boys... just a heard a sale on 22 stingers..
I figured I'd cap out at .300WinMag, how bad was it cost wise?
@wtfdtreats Been an while, but no gains in weight, 24gr or 46gr of powder. Didn't need the distance...
7mm mag is pretty cost effective and works great.
Owning a Barret 95 and a 300 Win Mag, I've never been able to rationalize getting a 338. I also figured that if a 750 grain bullet won't stop something, I probably shouldn't be shooting at it, and I don't want to make it angry.
Plus I can use my 300 Win Mag from a lot more positions than a 338 or a 50.
I bought a savage 110 precision in 338 and lucky enough I had someone selling off their gun and shells and I got them for 5$ a piece Canadian (Canadian dollar is like 35% less valuable than American) so a few hundred shells and I love the gun. actuate, decent price and good kicks when watching peoples reactions when I pull it out at the range. im 19 so its really funny because the older guys will go on and on about their 300 win mags and some teen shows up with a wall remover
I needed and wanted a 338 Lapua so i bought the Ruger precision rifle in 338 Lapua going into it knowing it was going to be expensive the riffle bare bones out the door $1,800 the vortex scope $1,200 the bipod $500.00.
Then I bought two boxes of Hornady match $200.00 for 40 rounds but i have been reloading for 20 years and got lucky with a friend that had a friend that had about 160 peaces of brass I got for free.
Like you said she is a loud girl when you send it down range it the shot heard around the world and i love it 👍
I have been shooting a 338lapua for quite a while now. Yes the lapua brass is exspensive over hornady and other brands. That being said the lapua brass you can get 10-12 reloads from lapua brass vs the 3-4 reloads from jornady or nosler brass. Just my 2cents from what my years of shooting it have shown.
How many shots out of a 338 barrel before the accuracy goes downhill? I'd imagine it's a barrel burner
@@ColinSMcKim honestly depending on how you load it but I'm switching out barrels about the 2k mark though if one was loading on the light side you could stretch it out to about 2.5k. To me it has a bit more barrel life then you would think and compared to some others.
I needed a new barrel on my Savage 110BA around 800 rounds.@@ColinSMcKim
@@simplicityrm I've had to replace my .300 Win Mag barrel twice. If I were to have fired the same number of rounds through my Lapua, it would probably be the same. At 64k psi for Win Mag, and 69k psi for the .338, you can get a lot of erosion. I shoot the 190gr. SMK in .300 and the 300gr SMK in the Lapua, so I'm thinking the 2k round mark is a good number to really start watching your accuracy. The main thing is that the .338 is probably the best 'affordable' ultra long range that is readily available. I love the .408 Cheytac, but you are talking about a 15k dollar gun and over $10/round, and can go over $20/round. If you love the sound of steel ringing at a mile plus, the .338 is great,.... if you are consistently under 800-1000 yards, stick with a .300 WM. Thanks to BB for having such a easy channel to watch. You are doing great.
I have been shooting a .340 Weatherby magnum for years now and suspect I have fired somewhere around 2,000 rounds through it. It is probably as close to the .338 Lapua as any cartridge today. It has been my go-to rifle for elk and bear hunting, but mostly it has been my long-range "plinker" rifle. I have wasted a small fortune just shooting at small rocks, sticks, and clay pigeons placed on hillsides up to a tad beyond 1,250 yards, the limit of my scope adjustments. It was a sub-MOA rifle until the barrel and I got old, but even at our "advanced age" the rifle shoots with MOA accuracy on my good days. Luckily, I invested in reloading supplies back before prices became astronomical. I'll never need to buy ammunition again. It is a beast of a rifle that will test your hearing protection, hammer your shoulder, drain your wallet, and make big dramatic holes in game. You can blow up a lot of meat and make a real mess for your taxidermist too. It's a lot of power, so use it wisely! Before I go, I'd like to add that I also shoot my .257 Weatherby magnum to the same distances with about the same accuracy, but with far less retained energy at the target, of course.
Please do some longer-distance tests against steel to illustrate the differences you described at longer ranges
I agree, just need to find some longer ranges lol
Facts
You buyin?! LOL
Yep....I laughed at a guy shooting 338LM at 300 Yards.... This guy is Just Stupid shooting at 50Yards... Do you see the steel window he is shooting through....LOL
Just bought my first .338 yesterday and I gotta say, I absolutely did not need it. But. I’m a single dude in my 20s so I had a few extra bucks to spend and damn I’m so glad I did. Shit may take down a rhino but I’m still gonna plink with it 😂😂😂
I have a Savage 111 in .338 LM and don't regret one day of buying it. My father-in-law likes the caliber so much he bought a Ruger Precision in .338 LM. Also fun to shoot with a suppressor
Whats it feel like without one?
@@rickterrance4981 kicks like a mule with the muzzle brake and like a bull with out. Not too bad with the suppressor
Back before the world became turned upside down, you could purchase a Sako TRG-S, the sporting version in .338 Lapua for under $600 brand new. When you purchased scope rings, a bipod, extra magazine, well you were in it for another $450.
The Sako TRG-42 was under $2000, the 3 ring scope mount was another $400, spare magazine $250, $350 for a bi-pod. Still not bad.
Lapua brass was under $1.25 a round, except at Midway who demanded $2.00 a round. Lapua Scenar 250 grain bullets were $60 per 100. So all in, once you had the brass, powder, primer and bullet, you could reload for under $1.50 a round verses $4.00 a round for loaded Lapua 250 grain Scenar's.
I've got around 400 pieces of brass and process in lots of 50 at a time. After the second firing, the neck gets annealed. I've got one lot of 10 cases that have been loaded 8 times with no case neck splits
Liked. Subscribed. Notifications on. Loved this video, man. Very relevant analysis. I think there is plenty of conversation for wanting overmatch in the 700-1000yd range, not just the ability to go well beyond. You can definitely hit with .308 at 1000, but magnum loads like this will see less variability.
The .338 Norma gives a similar performance and is just as good. The Norma version is a modern case, short and fat. There is also the 300 Norma, which uses the same case as the .338 and is a very good peformer.
With proper annealing, you can get multiple reloads. Case in point: Back in 2007, a man by the name of Tom Sarver shot a 1.403" group at 1000 yards using a wildcat he created called the 300 Hulk. The brass he used to shoot that match was on its 58th firing. 57 reloads would drop that brass down to $.065 per shot. Not saying you will get 50+ reloads on every piece of brass. But definitely more than 10. So, agreed. You can bring the price of brass down by reusing it. Annealing increases how many times you can reuse it.
Banana ballistic is the type of guy I would love to have as my physics teacher. Love the content and I'm actually learning something.
My nephew bought one a Savage model 112 I think and I loaded him some rounds. Yeah the charge in his Lapua is 94-96 grains I know it’s in the 90’s but not sure. He shot a 1,000 yards and was dinging steel.
Hi Banana Ballistics !
Here is a tip.
6.5x55mm (6.5 Swedish)
The 6.5 is a very old cartridge that has always been extremely popular in Europe, and for good reason. It has been an excellent long range competition cartridge with excellent 6.5 bullets available. There have also been companies such as Lapua and Norma that have always loaded superb match grade ammo for it. Over the years I have become a fan of this cartridge based off of its history, pleasant shooting qualities, and great long range accuracy.
Unfortunately, the 6.5x55 has never really been considered for much long range shooting in the USA, although to serious long range shooters and European shooters its no real surprise at how well this cartridge does. In the USA there was a brief bit of interest in this cartridge a few years ago but the thing that has hurt it recently is the introduction of the short action 6.5 cartridges such as the 260 Remington, 6.5x47 Lapua and 6.5 creedmore. These all produce performance on par with the USA loaded 6.5x55 ammo, but in a short action.
But, you see, the 6.5x55 actually has more case capacity than the others but because there are so many very old rifles built and chambered for this cartridge, most of the *USA manufacturers are not willing to load this cartridge to its potential*. Instead of labeling the ammo "modern firearm use only" they have decided to handicap everyone using the 6.5x55.
In Europe, this is not a problem so Lapua, Norma and others load it to much higher velocities. HSM here in the USA is also working on a hot version of the 6.5x55 with the sierra 142 SMK as well and that should be out very soon and readily available for the USA shooters.
The 6.5 has long been known for its excellent accuracy and absurdly high ballistic coefficients. With some of the European loads available and with HSM introducing a full capacity load, the 6.5 can be seriously considered for sniping. Additionally, I can really see the benefits for Law Enforcement applications, as it generally shoots a lighter bullet then the .308, but heavier then the .243, falling nicely right in between. The 6.5 deserves consideration for military application also, and has been chambered in some older military sniper rifles (WWII vintage).
The round actually outperforms the .308 match loads in both the 168gr and 175gr, and its less susceptible to wind and arrives on target with as much energy at ranges over 600 yards. The penetration should be good as well with the superior sectional density of the 6.5 bullets. The only other problem I can see is the lack of sniper grade weapons chambered for the 6.5. But most of the custom sniper rifle manufacturers will chamber their rifles in any caliber the purchaser wants (Sometimes for a small additional fee). Hopefully rifle manufacturers will realize the great potential of the 6.5 and start to produce their sniper rifles in 6.5x55, though with the popularity of the other 6.5 short action cartridges, I doubt this will happen.
Recommendation: The 6.5x55m makes a very good Law Enforcement round as well as a very capable military sniping cartridge. When using the heavier bullets the round is excellent at ranges up to and potentially beyond 1000 meters far out performing the 308 rounds.
www.snipercentral.com/6-5x55mm-6-5-swedish/
Sincerely Tom. Cheers m8s.
I just came across this video and yes the cost of ammo definitely burst my bubble. I wanted one so bad and was dead set on buying one, cash in hand, then i decided to do the math before i purchased one. I ended up going home empty handed. On to my next dream i guess lol.
I bought an elite precision Savage 110 in 338 Lapua just so I could use it as exercise equipment.
I bought the non elite model and love it, here in my area you don't get the muzzle brake on the elite and I wasn't going to try to find one as it took about a year to find factory ammo
notice any wear or scope rail coming loose? I've heard people having the problem and what scope do you use?
@@angrydoc7775the Murphy Precision +30 moa rail installed w/blue locktite doesn't loosen, lol. Love my Precision Elite in .338LM w/ SWFA 5-20x50.
It’s dam heavy ! Lol
I've watched your channel enough it was time to sub. I've never seen a comparison showing among of powder used loading various cartridges and that was an eye opening comparison.
Thanks and I've enjoyed as well as learned quite a bit from you.
A few years back I overheard a coworker talking about getting and setting up a rifle to shoot 1000 yds. I thought that was something I could really enjoy when I retired and decided to.donate a portion of my 401 k retirement to a known builder to build a long range precision rifle for me. I settled for 6.5 Creedmoor and started my schooling for long range 101. The most difficult so far unobtainable necessities required in this sport for me is location. I ve yet to find any place to shoot 1000 yds
I'm still looking 5 years later.
Talk about a Fun Gun! Not practical, but if you've managed to grow up while retaining your immaturity, it's possible to invent reasons why nothing else will do. And then there's the added benefit of the muzzle blast keeping your range table free of dust, and anything else that weighs less than 10 pounds. About recoil: I have an AR-10 that gets uncomfortable after awhile, but my Savage 110BA is a shove compared to the AR-10's boot to the shoulder. Could shoot it all day (with the aid of a second mortgage).
Good points! The real reason for the .338 L is staying supersonic at longer distances. In the GI world, targets know your weapons and stay out of your range. But most civilians don't have 1500 meter ranges.
LOL....U Better Buy One... Or Don't Play.
I purchased a Savage 110BA (like your rifle) when they first came out. Yes, it's expensive (I re-load now) and I don't shoot it much. But totally worth it!
I was thinking about buying one with a scope on it for $1,700.00 Good or Bad price ?
It’s not about need… it’s about want! However, I do need mine!
thanks Joe, and thanks Justin, for the crazy prices
Right. Been drooling over the RPR 338 LM and crunching the numbers, or is it 'Cringing' the numbers, anyway.... if I pull the trigger, I see another die set in my tea leaves.
I compared a .338 Lapua and a .300 RUM. I chose the RUM. Haven't regretted it at all. Higher muzzle velocity and better down range ballistics...
I wanna see that 300 rum push a 300 grain bullet at 3000fps
@@paulbigham5079 the Laupua can't....muzzle velocity with a 250gr bullet is only 2800fps. Heavier bullet will be slower...
My 300 grain otm are pushing 3k and only drop nine inches at 300 with a 100 yd zero
Me drooling over the 338 🥵One day I’ll have the 338 my biggest riffle is a 270 but at 22 I have a long time to collect more and bigger calibers
Sky is the limit for you, my friend !
Don’t forget to jump on CMP’s M1 Garands ! That should cover the gap a bit.
Got a Savage M112 years ago, handloads run about $1.35 every trigger pull--1/2" groups and less about 30% of the time. It's the first rifle I ever experienced that a consistent hold measurably influences the group size.
You might not.
@@rokkinjohann Got the 112 at 19 haven't got it out to the range yet, but definitely will be reloading for it.
Just for the sake of argument I am going to make the case for the 338 Norma. I decided to build one because I got a smoking deal on 250 grain Bthp factory second at 26 cents a piece. That was my deciding factor in going down the 338 rabbit hole. I bought 5000 bullets at that price. 10 boxes of 500. Now brass is much cheaper for 338 Norma. I bought 250 cases of Peterson brass for 450 dollars. So I bought 2 of them for 500 pieces of brass. I use ball powder and have found it to be much cheaper than H1000. So I am currently loading the 338 Norma for less than $1.50 a shot. Yes I love the energy and I am shooting a factory Christensen Arms Mesa. It rocks. A suppressor is a must with this big gun and a Simple Silencerco Hybrid 46 does a great job at taming recoil and muzzle blast. Can’t be happier with my big boomer.
If you want a recommendation for powder Ramshot LRT is very good. Getting 1 moa with not much load development. It’s available and cheep at about 27 dollars a pound 2022 prices. More choices for ball powder in the same burn rate for less than stick powder if you look around. Yes I bought a lot of powder.
In the multi-caliber Barrett MRAD, the .338 Norma Magnum is considered the anti-materiel round. The military also has insanely expensive .338 caliber 300 gr special effects rounds (exploding) for use on light vehicles, radars, etc.
The Large Rifle Magnum primer is also required for reloads of course, and they are not that expensive (about 12c before tax and shipping) but currently near impossible to find. I got lucky and was able to pick up some boxes of 1000 ct Remington LRM primers off Natchezz a few weeks ago, but they sold out in less than 1/2 day.
Really an excellent video. I loved the graphic powder comparisons. Also liked the noise comparison. And the analysis of how much energy the bullet carries- at 2150 yards the same as a .44 WinMag at the muzzle!
I do love your videos man, thanks for making them
My favorite gun channel. Keep up the great content.
I love my Christensen ELR in 338lapua she is expensive to feed but so much fun to shoot.
Talking about cost of bullets. One day I was picking up some .300WinMag, and saw a box for $3.99 thinking it was $23.99 I only got one box. After the lady rang it up the price was$3.99. My buddy and I ended up buying all 15 boxes that was years ago and I'm still working through it.
and you didn't call me?
I've never NEEDED any of the firearms I've bought, and yet... I still have them. If I only bought or held onto things I needed, I wouldn't have half of my possessions. I bought mine strictly because I WANTED it and it was in my budget and it was there!
The reasons you mentioned in your video were exactly why I choose a .300 winmag...
Thanks, Raymond.
I beg your pardon, I purchased my first 338LP in 2009, it was a custom built rifle on a Rem 700 action the gunsmith did not let it out of his shop until it shot under an inch at 300 yards. At the time the only after market factory loads were Black Hills at $120, per box of 20, and LP factory loads were $85. per box of 10 rounds. So of course I hand loaded * pound kegs of powder and 500 per bullet box of bullets. LP brass in bulk (No Box) when available is 20% less expensive. My loads/reloads average $6. per.
I own a Barrett M98Bravo 338LM. I LOVE that rifle! I can hit a quarter at 500 yds and I never have time to practice. I use Lapua brass, Vihtavuori N570 @ 92 grains with a Hornady 285gr ELD match bullet and CCI LRM primer. Tack drivers! Using a mag chrono I'm getting about 2.1 max fps variance between rounds. If you have $12k for the rifle, optics and a suppressor, I highly recommend it!
Own a .338 lapua, watched ammo go from $4 a round to $6 a round. I use VLD ber bullets. My go to rounds for extreme range are .338/.378 and the lapua. Is it worth the cost. Not at this time. But hella lot of fun.
Love mine, fun cartridge to shoot. (But correct . . . not very often. Yikes it is expensive!) When she sings . . . that note is sweet to experience. Thanks for the post - I had been considering the reload option and I enjoyed your take on it and $$$ break down.
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The 338 win mag is the smart option (for hunting).
So of course i have the 338 Lapua 😅
First time seein this dude, n the voice definitely threw me thru a loop😂
It's an A.I. filter. Not really his voice.
I built a custom throated 300 WM Savage that shoots the 225gr ELDM at 3000 fps out of a 28” barrel without pressure signs…. Stays supersonic out to 2500 yards. Carries 80% of the energy of a .338, but is less than 1/4 the cost to reload. I’ll stick with my Winnie.
I am actually on my Second 338 Lapua. The first one was a Remington 700 Police rifle and I traded it in on a Christensen arms MPR also in 338 Lapua. The at last spring's local gun show. Somebody brought in a Christensen Arms Mesa Long range one and I halfway thought about getting it as well. you are right about reloading it is less expensive the big thing the last couple of years was finding bullets I usually shoot Nosler bullets and the powder I bought was geared toward them. Of course After I bought Barnes bullets then i found Nosler bullets . Oh well I am set for bullets' for a long time.
C. MPR is my first long distance bolt action in a 300WM. I just bought another C., the MESA long range.
I was looking into a Ruger Precision in .338 Lupua but that's a hard NO after watching this vid. Thanks for the heads up Banana-man!
What a great channel you have. I really enjoy your content!!
Excellent video today! Very informative and appreciated!
I’ve been using .338 lm for several years, it’s hard to shoot a lot from this caliber, and as the author noted, it’s expensive, if I want to spend a lot of time at the shooting range😊, I take 308win and 7.62x54R with me
Hint : This guy is shooting a 338LM @50yards, that's just STUPID !...Hence the Steel Window.
If you want to achieve the same trajectory as a 338 Lapua use a 6.5 that drives the Lapua B434 144gr fmjbt (BC.636!) to 3000fps (6.5-284 Norma 6.5PRC etc comes close) Easier to shoot and easier on the wallet!
This is why I went with the 7mm RUM. Best all around. Not as good as the Lapua at 2000 yards. I think 50 BMG would be much better performance and cost wise, but I wanted to be about to hike with it. My RUM is only 7 1/2lbs...WHhhat a kick thou. Most of these super high powered rounds are shoulder destroyers.
Rather than the energy, velocity, and range questions about .338 Lapua, the biggest issue many of us have when we start looking up .338 Lapua, especially from a prepper or militia/civil defense standpoint, is “which cartridge, .338 Lapua or .50 BMG as the the two military and law enforcement anti-materiel/anti-armor rounds, is going to be more prevalent and useful enough for a variety of civil defense applications, that its ability to scavenge in the field when supply lines are cut off outweighs the cost per round?”
The classic example is the North Hollywood Shootout, where it took hours before LAPD SWAT could acquire the hardware needed to dispatch the two suspects covered head to toe in Class IV armor.
If a conscientious gun owner like a Rooftop Korean were in place to aid and coordinate with outgunned law enforcement, but running low on ammo, which long range, anti-armor round would it make sense for that good samaritan to have their rifle chambered in if the only way they could reload is to scavenge off a fallen SWAT team or get ammo airdropped to their position?
My gut tells me .50 BMG is the answer, despite .338 becoming more commonplace amongst National Guard and law enforcement applications, the added hearing loss of .50 BMG exposure over long-term use, the fewer ranges that allow .50 BMG practice, and the cost per round.
The scope for mine was the biggest expense. Since I load all my own ammunition, factory ammunition is not an issue. And since I already have the powder and primers for other large magnum rifles, the only expense was for brass and bullets. Not bad, considering the cost of the scope was over twice what I paid for the rifle itself.
I've owned my 110 FCP HS Precision in .338 Lapua for about 3 years now. I haven't shot it too much, but it is always fun to get out and shoot.
For hunting.. well it's a great on Elk and Bear at range. I stick to .308 for deer and close range hunting.
Btw. Reason #3 .. loud? ... it's quieter than my .308.... ... ... Granted my .308 doesn't have a threaded barrel like my .338 and something something Banish 338
Though honestly I don't take mine to range much. I purchased it for Elk hunting. I have 300PRC for shooting steel at range.
Well,consider that for most people driving a half ton pickup truck makes lots of sense.
It will transport you to where you want to go, tow your 16 foot boat, your 20 foot camping trailer, and is even available with 4 wheel drive so that you can navigate those back dirt roads.
Plus, it is relatively inexpensive to operate.
Everybody needing a truck should own a half ton pickup right? lol
Well not everybody has a need to haul a big heavy load, but for those that do, you will need a real truck, and the same is true with most other things, including cartridges.
I went hunting in Wyoming last year and never left my chair in Pennsylvania.-338 Lapua
The 6.5 CM is for when you need to hit a cinder block at 1,000 meters...the .338 LM is for when you need to kill something through a cinder block wall at 1,000 meters
When it comes to expense, I shoot a .375 RUM. I hear ya about the cost of ammo nowadays.
But, one thing I’m glad I don’t have is a muzzle brake for it. Sure, the .375 RUM has as much felt recoil as a .470 Nitro Express, but not using a muzzle brake will save your hearing.
Im with the Remington 338 ultra mag. For me it is versatile with quite a few pros going for it by way of match up.
Do you get stuck cases in your savage ? I gage the 110 fcp in the HS stock & get stuck cases once in a while even with lapua brass …89.5g H1000 & 300g bergers .
Hell yeah it’s expensive but fun as hell shooting them at 2k yds 😂🤘🏾
I purchased my first 338 Lapua when savage started selling it in the 110BA, back then it was $60 for a box of 20, two more Lapua's later and now I have a good stockpile of brass but plan to move to 338 Norma, it has the same performance but uses less powder.
I reload 338 lap. I don’t typically shoot the 300gr bullets with 100gr of powder, not that there’s anything wrong with them. I use a 200gr Speer with 4350 and 74gr for “short” range blasting load. It’s a good load out to 800 and it’s less than a dollar a round to reload
Love my 338 Lapua, very expensive McMillan rifle,, now check this out Ruger precision rifle 243 that thing weighs more than my 338 McMillan handloads Lapua brass Magnum primers, 115 grain Berger tactical bullets impressive Eleven hundred yards all day😮😮😮😮
Expensive yes! $9.40 USD in New Zealand, but you only live once. The grin factor is high, and suppressed it is a baby to shoot out of the RPR. Keep them videos going. 🤙
amazing content :) glad i tuned in.
Reality check - you are right. Price of the ammo could potentially make this a conversation starter , not a practical gun to shoot.
5 rounds magazine - $30 - $50
But the 26” barrel could compensate for all my personal problems 🤪
Before the pandemic, I was reloading my 338 for $1.38 per round. Today that costs me $2.67 per round.
@@MrJeffreyg I have been reloading 338LM @ or below $1 and post pandemic LLLLLLLong range @$1.31 what are you shooting , Ware Wolfs +? LOL.... Guys buy smart & stock up, when the prices are low.....This is a variable market.
Thanks for the reply. What am I shooting? 93 grains H1000/.46 cents, 250 grain Sierra Matchking seconds/.85 cents and CCI 250 primer/.04 cents = $1.35. The question is...what are you shooting?@@johnskowron3392
so i own a savage 110 338. a surgeon 338 custom, and a barrett mrad 338/ switch barrel. im thinking about stocking 338lm reloads. i can make 250g hornady bthp/ gwt brass loads for 2.90 each. my plan is to stock at least 800 rds. in the next year or two. will always be my favorite caliber but $$$. yes its overkill but a lot of fun and more power is always better.
I started getting into bolt-action long distance rifles almost 9 mos ago. Most common caliber rifles I purchased are mostly 300 WM. I bought a SAKO TRG 42 with a NF scope for about $4,300. which is $100 less than brand new plus the fact I got the scope for "free." I bought it on auction at gunbroker. I just acquired my second 338 LM rifle, a Christensen MESA LONG RANGE. The rifle was about $1600 and I got $400 rebate (in form of gift card to spend on their accessories. So, I bought a Leupold scope and C. Cantilever mount and it all came out to $1800. I bought 20 rds of 338 LM 300 gr for about $9/round. I also have a Ruger Precision rifle in 338 LM on layaway. I just checked on GB and somebody is selling 200 rds for $930 ($4.65/rd). I had a discussion with a colleague of mine who introduced me to the world of shooting. She said "you don't go target shooting using your most expensive caliber, but you take your least expensive caliber, 22 LR, for target shooting." I just paid $50 for 525 rds of 22. I have also recently purchased 20 rounds of 416 B for about $200. That is going to be for my DT HTI I have on order. About the same time I got my first LM was after I had a conversation with Robert Vestal (google him) and he said if you want to get into long distance shooting matches you need to go with larger heavier calibers like 338 LM or any of the Cheytec calibers and the reason for it is rather simple. B/c if you miss a 2,000 yard shot you want to be able to see the dust where it lands in your spotting scope and be able to make adjustments. I haven't watched your video all the way to the end yet, so, I don't know whether you talk about cost of all the tools you will need for self-loading. It can easily run up to a couple of thousands of dollars , if not more depending on the quality of the tools. Another food for thought.
Glad I have one. Bought it several years ago at 800. Could not pass it up
Well, that decides that I’m staying with the 338 Norma. Great video.
Compare it to the 338 RUM or the 338 win mag. I would like to see those numbers
would be interested to see how loud it is without the muzzlebreak? put a MB on any rifle and the sound amplifies massively at the shooter and people standing close.
cost is the main reason most people should steer clear of 338. Just choose 30-06. The most expensive 30-06 rounds are cheaper than the cheapest 338 rounds.
I just got some 450 Bushmaster from Bear Creek Ballistics that are just over $4 round, but for deer hunting I only need a few per season.
Hey man really enjoy your content you do a great job. I've never commented on your show before but I watch it all the time and yes I am a subscriber lol I just wanted to say. That. The 338 Remington ultra has better performance then the 338 lapua. And the best part the Factory ammunition is cheaper for the 338 ultra mag. One thing I would like to see on Your channel Doing a comparison between the 338win mag vs 338 lapua vs 338 Remington ultra mag. I prayed to you then again really enjoy your content keep up the awesome work
Im a Brit.
I wish ammo was that cheap even home loaded.
I shoot an Accuracy International AXSR in .338 Lapua Magnum.
I feed it 300gr Hornady A-Tip.
I have shot mine thru a chrono at 1500m and it was still comfortably exceeding mach1 :-)
I didnt hit the chrono unlike the .308 guy that followed me.
If you want loud.... Shoot it down a tunnel range.
Cool effect is.
The centre of the 5 target faces.. it goes where you think...
The faces in the corners of the target the round is off towards the centre... Our theory is.
The air is compressing against the sides of the tunnel and pushing the round inwards.
Seems reasonable to me, unless someone knows better?
You are quickly joining the top tier on my guntuber pyramid. Looks like my Lebron vs Jordan debate will be Paul Harrell vs Banana Ballistics.
Definitely dont need one, but sure do want one :)!
That is exactly why I got one!
I think the 7mm Allen Mag would make a better sniper platform than the 338 Lapua. Better ballistics, lil' less weight, and cheaper than the 338 Lapua for projectiles.
Anyone who has been down range of these tools absolutely will understand exactly why and how one can impact a tactical scenario. When you watch the operator of your half track die after someone takes out an engine block from a mile away *just* because they were close enough to the engine block to catch the secondary and tertiary fragmentation from the bullets impact...that shit changes your concept of long range shooting forever.
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Because i can cant decide which i like better the 338 lapua or my 338/378 Weatherby. The lapua is a peashooter next to the Weatherby. I use the Weatherby for hunting in northern central British columbia Canada
Wow ! that is a little pricey... looks like fun ! Would love to try one, but, I balk at the cost..
Try reloading and it’ll cut the price in half
It is definitely fun! I can barely afford to shoot it without reloading though lol
@@Liamisdead99 I do reload,lol...I even cast and powder coat my own slow speed stuff. It is still a bit more than my cheapness can do...But, I would still like to try one some day.
You could argue throat burn but with today's powders and titanium nitride coatings. Flame front Temps, and metallurgy. It would be pretty cost effective.
I picked up 2000 rounds of 50 BMG for a whopping $1 a round at a gun show in 1999. Still have 1500 of them. Great investment.
Yep, Bout every other paycheck i'll buy A box of 20 rounds. 1 box!... The only way I can get any sort of stores built up. But dang! so fun to shoot.
I'd like to see you try a 338 lapua and a 338-378 weatherby. I own a lapua but ballistics look better on the 338-378 weatherby.
Wow, very helpful, thanks
i have kar 98 but i never use it i like a 30-06 my fav. is black powder i just love shooting them and i have a set of ubirty 1858 remingtons but they had a lot of work dun to the by a retired colt gunsmith he even filed the barrel till they shot perfectly straight then they shoot cap and ball or 45 long colt have lots of cylinders for them. they took first place in state for hand gun shooting against modern guns that is how good they shoot. i have changed a lot of minds on black powder after they shoot them then i put modern powder mixed it the load boy that make it zing