I'm a driver and haven't driven a bicycle since I was a kid because of the safety... and I never understood people being so angry at 2-wheelers on the street. Maybe they are jealous or something, I don't know.
@@raywyatt5368 And most drivers don't realize that each bicyclist they scare off riding on the roadway is another car added to the congestion (whether commuting or recreational riders hauling their bikes somewhere else less scary to ride). 80-90% of cyclists also own cars (and pay the usual car taxes, etc).
Before I started commuting by bike, I would have said that most motorists share the road fairly with bikes. Now, I say that most motorists are annoyed having to share "their" road and a few are even hostile towards non-vehicles. We can even see this one of your other videos where a driver honks and passes too closely because they are annoyed that they have to change lanes to pass. I agree that people online saying threatening things aren't likely to do anything. Ironically, the anonymity of being enclosed in a car and being online both can produce the same toxic behavior. We need more bike lanes (especially ones that aren't incomplete) and more bike paths so that people are more comfortable and safer when choose to ride a bike instead of taking the car. Entitled drivers with their larger and larger cars, trucks, and SUVs are ruining it for everyone.
Some times the painted line we have isn't suited for riding. Bike lanes are often just gutters or shoulders. They get filled with debris and are broken up. And, yes, people on bikes are entitled to their safety, as is everyone on the road. But I'll think of you every time a driver parks in the bike lane when there's a spot or parking lot right beside them.
I was the same way before I started riding 10 years ago. Now when I see a bicyclist, I see myself. It has made me a much more patient and better driver.
@POINT52 Just a note: you seem to categorize a bicycle as a "non-vehicle". At least in my state (CT), a bicycle is considered a "vehicle" subject to almost all of the rules of the road for any other vehicle (and is to be treated as such by other vehicles).
100% agree that many people seek out bicycle videos just to vent hate. I began catering to them recently, mostly in my titles. I'm planning to sell stickers with the best/most hateful comments. 1st one will be, "Keep your toys in your yard" with a bicycle in the center. $5 from a hater is better than $50 from a supporter :) I LOVE how you narrate and explain. Hope you never lose that from your channel!
Years ago I got a bunch of free stickers that say "I parked in a bike lane." They were meant to be carried when riding and stuck on cars in the bike lane.
Yep, it seems like you could get hit by an F150 while riding a stationary bike in your living room and they would leave comments raging about the cyclist being at fault.
The problem is that people are frustrated by the bad design of roadways and the long distances to things in North America. I'm up in Canada and it is the same up here. I lived in Holland for 15 years, I owned a car, but going places by bike was the better option. Where we live, not having a car limits one's life and forces people into cars. Not having a car is weird where we live. They take their frustrations out on the wrong target, it is our politicians that failed us back before we were even born and now the status quo wins elections.
Thanks, @gdemorest7942. I think that the American expectation that one SHOULD be able to easily go long distances is kind of absurd. But this is how the auto industry convinced the government to build things. We're decades behind where we need to be to have robust walk-able and bik-able cities and a high speed rail system for those who want to get long distances faster, cheaper, and more comfortably.
Yeah! These things were put out of the way of drivers, which makes sense. But then when bike lanes are painted in, we get nothing else to actually make the path safe.
I agree with the poster below that many people go on YT bike vids to to vent hate, but I think to some degree there really are some drivers out there who want to inflict harm. Back when those protected bike lanes went up up Encinitas (I still haven't ridden on them yet), I made a comment on 10news San Diego's post on FB. The comment being something to the affect I look forward to trying them. I get a whole bunch of ha ha reactions and several people flat out said they look forward to running me over. One guy claimed to be a commercial truck driver and flat out said he'd like me under his truck. I actually tired to look up his info so see what company he worked for because I really wanted to report him. Maybe they were just trolling to get a reaction but one never knows with people.
The problem is systemic and can be summarized by this: "Bicycles are not considered legitimate users of the roadway and will never be until there is a profound cultural shift." Anything that contributes to that shift is a good thing, but adding bike lanes here and there helps with that shift only marginally and it will be a long, long time before the shift is complete.
I think changes road for road help move along that shift. There are lots of problems with the incomplete networks we have, but between what's been completed and the rising costs of owning a car, and the aggravation that comes with driving, I think the shift is closer than it seems. I've been marveling these last few weeks over how many more people I see riding bikes when I'm out and about, and it makes me hopeful.
Great observations. Some routes we travel on will not have added lanes or any type of bicycle infrastructure recognition - ever. In a perfect world we wouldn’t ever have to be close to traffic. It would be nice, keep advocating. Here is some help. When we travel public roads legally, instead of positioning in an impossible edge riding area, default to controlling the lane until safe to release. Use a rear viewing mirror, acknowledge the passing motorist. Anywhere else use bicycle lane or trail. Pick your routes of course! Stay edge riding in a typical lane of 12 ft and it invites a close needle through pass. Stopped this edge riding behavior two years ago and the issues disappeared. Completely. Decades of commuting I would have argued it’s not the way to travel. My learning curve continues in a region of Kentucky where others say it’s impossible to travel safely. I’m loving it and riding freely and without the traumas others have.
I'd love to know more about this idea, and what we mean by "cultural." It seems to me that the United States is built to create car dependency, so people embrace it rather than demand viable options. I'll think of this today when I walk from the bus stop to the ballgame with my kid, navigating the intersections packed with drivers going to parking garages. I'll pay $5 round trip for our bus fare, and these folks will be paying at least $25 for a spot and the privileged of sitting still in their cars for a while.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Dang, where I live the fares are even cheaper, no wonder they cut out a lot of destinations and also cut sundays out of their service.
I keep returning to the idea that everyone's doing the best they can in the conditions that have been created. There's a new book out called Killed By A Traffic Engineer: Shattering the Delusion that Science Underlies our Transportation System, by Wes Marshall that I'm interested in reading (when it's not like $35)
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I've been to San Diego many years ago. I was in the La Jolla neighbourhood. It was very green but hilly in places if I remember correctly. I think a good bike network takes a long time. There needs to be a lot of advocacy at the local level to work on safety improvements. The intersections will improve and paths will be built in the right places. Like you said the optimism will eventually make it happen.
@Teapot-Dave Apologies! That response was meant for someone else. I've never ridden in Norwich, but I have a friend who lives there, so maybe one of these days. Can it be that Norwich is worse than San Diego though?
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Here, they still think that painting 2D image of a bicycle on an existing footpath somehow makes it a bike-lane; except it doesn't. But having said that, they are doing some extensive roadworks at the moment on my main route into the city, and - I don't want to say it out loud - but it looks like they are putting in a separated bike-lane....
@Teapot-Dave Fun fact: the reason roads are paved is because cyclists demanded it. Back in the horse drawn days, roads were dirt or mud. When bicycles were invented, cycling became popular. Because cycling on paved roads worked better, cyclists lobbied and got asphalt roads. Then cars were invented and became more popular.
I don't really think all the 'hate' is organic. I put the word hate in quotes because I think there's an agenda rather than true emotion behind a lot of the negativity. How often do average people irl go on murderous or hateful rants about cyclists? That hasn't ever been a thing in my experience. Most people I've known aren't concerned with cyclists at all or when the subject comes up especially concerning biking infrastructure are mildly supportive but mostly indifferent. I think there is a concerted effort by some interest groups to get ahead of the pro biking and micro mobility sentiment and awareness that's slowly starting to gain traction in this country. I know it's a little conspiracy theory leaning, but considering the past actions and tactics of the industries whose interests are impacted by the prospect of more people adopting 'alternative' forms of transportation it's not really a stretch.
I think the anger comes from a political basis maybe? Pickup truck drivers? I consider myself liberation/right and I wish I could ride safely on the street. I bought a motorcycle instead because it's safer than most bicycles.
I've found that people love their cars, regardless of their politics. The most progressive people I know draw hard lines at their beloved cars. And I think motorcycles can be really cool, and also fun. I recently rode again after a bunch of years, and I was glad to be over them. For all their benefits, they're in no way safer than being on a bicycle. It's just physics.
I think organized bike rides have done more harm than good for cycling. In the 1990's there were organized 'Critical Mass' protest rides for cyclist safety awareness entailing hundreds of riders blocking major roadways. In Eugene Oregon there was an incident where an ambulance was delayed getting to the hospital with a critically injured patient because of one these protest rides. When cyclists are known for events such as the world naked bike ride the non-cycling public tend to group all cyclists with these fringe groups. Cycling is great low impact exercise but public relations as a whole is severely lacking.
I've commuted thousands of miles since the early 90s. I've driven much more, of course. Here is my main comment. We are charging E-Car owners tax dollars when they buy their license plate stickers (in some states) to make up for the tax money they don't pay at the pump. Don't we cyclists have the responsibility to purchase some form of "license" to pay for these extra lanes, bike paths, green paint, and extra land that had to purchased to widen the roads? We're asking for the millions in improvements, but then aren't helping foot the bill when we hop on our bikes. And yes, I am a cyclists and I think this way.
There are lots of RUclips channels and podcasts that explain the details of why cars are more costly. What your argument doesn't account for is weight. The reason cars and trucks (and electric cars, especially) need to pay is because the weight of them damages the road, thus necessitating repairs. Bikes don't put wear and tear on the pavement they ride on. They don't cause damage to the objects and structures they hit like cars and trucks do. The cost of a bike lane on an existing road is a fraction of the cost for new driving infrastructure. And we contribute in other ways to the general funds that pay for these projects. This is a good video on it, if you want more details: ruclips.net/video/Wjv8WQu92c0/видео.htmlsi=GPfDcRJ_jzyZI9i4
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Also, gas taxes cover less than half of the cost of car infrastructure (source: pirg.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Who-Pays-for-Roads-vUS_1.pdf) Cyclists pay taxes just like everyone else that go to funding expensive infrastructure we never use, which means we're already more than paying our fair share for bike lanes.
There is a negative stereotype of bike riders that is prevalent. It's those that ride for entitlement. They are not riding as part of a commute and they pick the most congested roads without bike lanes, tons of stop signs and traffic lights, dress up for the Tour de France, cut between cars at stop lights so everyone has to wait for them to get up to speed (which they can't because there is another stop light), and ride only during rush hour. Seems ridiculous but I see it every day. Our city has a very nice laid out series of roads that do have bike lanes and few stops that go to almost every area of town. For unknown reasons, most of our entitled bike riders do not use these roads. They seem to ride to force cars to yield to their privilege. I ride, mostly mountain bikes, but when I do road rides, I use the roads with bike lanes or sidewalks approved for bikes. It is a little out of the way, but the point of riding a bike should be to get where you are going and exercise. More bike riders should encourage this group to stop this practice just as they encourage motor vehicles to respect bike lanes. They likely have some correlation.
People ride for lots of reasons, but nobody "rides for entitlement," but that's a funny phrase to create. A lot of this seems like a driver projecting the feelings they have about themselves, moving their cars around and storing them anywhere they'd like
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego You may not ride for entitlement and you may not live in an area that has this problem. You don't know everything or see everything. When you ask a question on why some do not like bikes on the roads, I gave a very real answer. It seems strange but they do ride specifically to slow traffic. There are parallel roads that have bike lanes but they choose the more congested roads with more stop lights. Why? The only reasonable answer is to be "seen" in their "race gear" or their entitlement to cut in front of cars. I can't explain their thinking or why anyone would take roads with stop lights every other block only during rush hour instead of the adjacent parkways with a bike lane. You seem closed minded to a reality that you haven't experienced so you declare that it doesn't exist. Then you imply I park cars or block bike lanes. Sounds like you are the one projecting your "feelings". I just stated observed facts.
"Riding for entitlement" is not a thing. Why do you believe those on bikes should be relegated to some roads and excluded from others? There's a neighborhood here called North Park. I ride in it frequently. Sometimes I ride on 30th, which has a bike lane. Sometimes, though, I ride on a different street because 30th is out of my way. I don't have to ride an additional 4 blocks for drivers' comfort. I don't have to inconvenience myself for a driver's convenience. The problem here is that you're coming at this from the point of view that cars are more entitled to the road than others. and I'm not "implying it." I'm saying it: People put their cars in places they clearly don't belong, putting others at risk. Drivers can slow down. We don't have to hurry for them. If you don't want to sit in rush hour traffic, get out of your car. You are traffic.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I'm not implying it, I'm saying it, you are an entitled bike rider. Why ride on a ridiculous road when there is a road parallel to it that was designed for bike traffic. The logical bike rider would take the road that runs parallel. The entitled bike rider will blame the cars, cut to the head of the line at the red lights, which is not legal, and then tie up the cars behind them when it goes green. That is not logical or reasonable and can only be explained as being entitled. When car drivers and bike drivers act reasonably and logically there are few issues. When one or the other decide to throw logic and reason out the window then cars and bikes are going to have problems with each other. Being reasonable seems the best answer not demanding the right to be unreasonable.
What video are you watching where I'm not in the bike lane that's there? Why are you trolling a channel that clearly has a point of view that disagrees with yours? Look up the word "entitlement," and then look at the way our roads are built almost entirely for you and your car. The designs we have are not logical nor reasonable, and you can't demand people ride bikes in specific places when the spaces are not designed for them. This is the last time one of your comments will become visible on this channel, @txhookey5608. But it's been fun to get your absurd voice in the conversation.
i bike in Oz. same issue here. i have to say that those people who seem to argue against riders (me and my experience), 'usually' lack life experience Or intellect. the 'i hate cyclists' argument, usually ends in the 'nay' sayer ending their argument in some form of illogical and irrelevant statement which cannot be countered. this indicates to me that these arguments in and around cycling, presented by the anti-bikers', haven't been thought through: cultural problems usually require an effort to change = bummer. things are slowly getting better in Oz (my experience), mostly through changes in law as well as large but token infrastructure changes. good luck where ever you are 🫡
I'm a driver and haven't driven a bicycle since I was a kid because of the safety... and I never understood people being so angry at 2-wheelers on the street. Maybe they are jealous or something, I don't know.
A lot of the reason this channel exists it so highlight the safety, and major gaps in it. Thanks for watching!
Some drivers believe that cyclists don't pay for the roads.
@@raywyatt5368 And most drivers don't realize that each bicyclist they scare off riding on the roadway is another car added to the congestion (whether commuting or recreational riders hauling their bikes somewhere else less scary to ride). 80-90% of cyclists also own cars (and pay the usual car taxes, etc).
Before I started commuting by bike, I would have said that most motorists share the road fairly with bikes. Now, I say that most motorists are annoyed having to share "their" road and a few are even hostile towards non-vehicles. We can even see this one of your other videos where a driver honks and passes too closely because they are annoyed that they have to change lanes to pass.
I agree that people online saying threatening things aren't likely to do anything. Ironically, the anonymity of being enclosed in a car and being online both can produce the same toxic behavior.
We need more bike lanes (especially ones that aren't incomplete) and more bike paths so that people are more comfortable and safer when choose to ride a bike instead of taking the car. Entitled drivers with their larger and larger cars, trucks, and SUVs are ruining it for everyone.
Some times the painted line we have isn't suited for riding. Bike lanes are often just gutters or shoulders. They get filled with debris and are broken up. And, yes, people on bikes are entitled to their safety, as is everyone on the road. But I'll think of you every time a driver parks in the bike lane when there's a spot or parking lot right beside them.
I was the same way before I started riding 10 years ago. Now when I see a bicyclist, I see myself. It has made me a much more patient and better driver.
@POINT52 Just a note: you seem to categorize a bicycle as a "non-vehicle". At least in my state (CT), a bicycle is considered a "vehicle" subject to almost all of the rules of the road for any other vehicle (and is to be treated as such by other vehicles).
100% agree that many people seek out bicycle videos just to vent hate. I began catering to them recently, mostly in my titles. I'm planning to sell stickers with the best/most hateful comments. 1st one will be, "Keep your toys in your yard" with a bicycle in the center. $5 from a hater is better than $50 from a supporter :)
I LOVE how you narrate and explain. Hope you never lose that from your channel!
Thanks for the encouragement! I do have some "Ride Bikes. Read Poems" stickers, and just got some "Drive Less. Ride a Bike" stickers made...
Years ago I got a bunch of free stickers that say "I parked in a bike lane." They were meant to be carried when riding and stuck on cars in the bike lane.
Yep, it seems like you could get hit by an F150 while riding a stationary bike in your living room and they would leave comments raging about the cyclist being at fault.
We do need safer roads preach! Not just for bikes too because “stroads” are dumb asf for vehicles too. I don’t want to block the street either!
I have been commuting the work the last 8 years in Alaska. I try to ride year round.
The problem is that people are frustrated by the bad design of roadways and the long distances to things in North America. I'm up in Canada and it is the same up here. I lived in Holland for 15 years, I owned a car, but going places by bike was the better option. Where we live, not having a car limits one's life and forces people into cars. Not having a car is weird where we live. They take their frustrations out on the wrong target, it is our politicians that failed us back before we were even born and now the status quo wins elections.
Thanks, @gdemorest7942. I think that the American expectation that one SHOULD be able to easily go long distances is kind of absurd. But this is how the auto industry convinced the government to build things. We're decades behind where we need to be to have robust walk-able and bik-able cities and a high speed rail system for those who want to get long distances faster, cheaper, and more comfortably.
Watching your video I was amazed at the number of drains and man holes on the bike path.
Yeah! These things were put out of the way of drivers, which makes sense. But then when bike lanes are painted in, we get nothing else to actually make the path safe.
I agree with the poster below that many people go on YT bike vids to to vent hate, but I think to some degree there really are some drivers out there who want to inflict harm. Back when those protected bike lanes went up up Encinitas (I still haven't ridden on them yet), I made a comment on 10news San Diego's post on FB. The comment being something to the affect I look forward to trying them. I get a whole bunch of ha ha reactions and several people flat out said they look forward to running me over. One guy claimed to be a commercial truck driver and flat out said he'd like me under his truck. I actually tired to look up his info so see what company he worked for because I really wanted to report him.
Maybe they were just trolling to get a reaction but one never knows with people.
The problem is systemic and can be summarized by this:
"Bicycles are not considered legitimate users of the roadway and will never be until there is a profound cultural shift."
Anything that contributes to that shift is a good thing, but adding bike lanes here and there helps with that shift only marginally and it will be a long, long time before the shift is complete.
I think changes road for road help move along that shift. There are lots of problems with the incomplete networks we have, but between what's been completed and the rising costs of owning a car, and the aggravation that comes with driving, I think the shift is closer than it seems. I've been marveling these last few weeks over how many more people I see riding bikes when I'm out and about, and it makes me hopeful.
Hi there 🚴♂ new here, but like your point of view, here in tiny Denmark bikers are threatened too. Be safe on the roads 😊
Yeah, it's spreading in Sweden too. Hatred in general is getting more common. :(
Been threatened too many times on bike, I just want to ride in peace.
Cars and the internet make people into monsters.
Same here
Great observations. Some routes we travel on will not have added lanes or any type of bicycle infrastructure recognition - ever. In a perfect world we wouldn’t ever have to be close to traffic. It would be nice, keep advocating.
Here is some help. When we travel public roads legally, instead of positioning in an impossible edge riding area, default to controlling the lane until safe to release. Use a rear viewing mirror, acknowledge the passing motorist. Anywhere else use bicycle lane or trail. Pick your routes of course!
Stay edge riding in a typical lane of 12 ft and it invites a close needle through pass. Stopped this edge riding behavior two years ago and the issues disappeared. Completely. Decades of commuting I would have argued it’s not the way to travel. My learning curve continues in a region of Kentucky where others say it’s impossible to travel safely. I’m loving it and riding freely and without the traumas others have.
The general attitude to drivers in any region reflects the cultural and educational level.
I'd love to know more about this idea, and what we mean by "cultural." It seems to me that the United States is built to create car dependency, so people embrace it rather than demand viable options. I'll think of this today when I walk from the bus stop to the ballgame with my kid, navigating the intersections packed with drivers going to parking garages. I'll pay $5 round trip for our bus fare, and these folks will be paying at least $25 for a spot and the privileged of sitting still in their cars for a while.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Dang, where I live the fares are even cheaper, no wonder they cut out a lot of destinations and also cut sundays out of their service.
Relations between cyclists and motorists are a little more civil in Montreal.
I keep returning to the idea that everyone's doing the best they can in the conditions that have been created. There's a new book out called Killed By A Traffic Engineer: Shattering the Delusion that Science Underlies our Transportation System, by Wes Marshall that I'm interested in reading (when it's not like $35)
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I've been to San Diego many years ago. I was in the La Jolla neighbourhood. It was very green but hilly in places if I remember correctly. I think a good bike network takes a long time. There needs to be a lot of advocacy at the local level to work on safety improvements. The intersections will improve and paths will be built in the right places. Like you said the optimism will eventually make it happen.
the hate mail means you're doing something right. keep it up!
In British social media the favorite insult of the anti-cyclist gang is "nonce", specially directed at those who report dangerous drivers 🤔
If only there was some mechanism where I lived for reporting...
You could get hit by an F150 while riding a stationary bike in your living room and they would leave comments raging about the cyclist being at fault.
Bicycles were invented many decades before the first car, so if anything, Cyclists have a greater claim to be on the road than car-drivers. 🚴♀️ 🚴♂️
The Friendly up on 30th and Madison.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I've never cycled there; I live in England near Norwich. We've got pitiful bicycle infrastructure here.
@Teapot-Dave Apologies! That response was meant for someone else. I've never ridden in Norwich, but I have a friend who lives there, so maybe one of these days. Can it be that Norwich is worse than San Diego though?
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Here, they still think that painting 2D image of a bicycle on an existing footpath somehow makes it a bike-lane; except it doesn't.
But having said that, they are doing some extensive roadworks at the moment on my main route into the city, and - I don't want to say it out loud - but it looks like they are putting in a separated bike-lane....
@Teapot-Dave Fun fact: the reason roads are paved is because cyclists demanded it. Back in the horse drawn days, roads were dirt or mud. When bicycles were invented, cycling became popular. Because cycling on paved roads worked better, cyclists lobbied and got asphalt roads. Then cars were invented and became more popular.
I don't really think all the 'hate' is organic. I put the word hate in quotes because I think there's an agenda rather than true emotion behind a lot of the negativity. How often do average people irl go on murderous or hateful rants about cyclists? That hasn't ever been a thing in my experience. Most people I've known aren't concerned with cyclists at all or when the subject comes up especially concerning biking infrastructure are mildly supportive but mostly indifferent. I think there is a concerted effort by some interest groups to get ahead of the pro biking and micro mobility sentiment and awareness that's slowly starting to gain traction in this country. I know it's a little conspiracy theory leaning, but considering the past actions and tactics of the industries whose interests are impacted by the prospect of more people adopting 'alternative' forms of transportation it's not really a stretch.
drivers are definitely too aggressive to cyclists. Probably the fault of the U.S. for making such poor infrastructure though.
I think the anger comes from a political basis maybe? Pickup truck drivers? I consider myself liberation/right and I wish I could ride safely on the street.
I bought a motorcycle instead because it's safer than most bicycles.
I've found that people love their cars, regardless of their politics. The most progressive people I know draw hard lines at their beloved cars.
And I think motorcycles can be really cool, and also fun. I recently rode again after a bunch of years, and I was glad to be over them. For all their benefits, they're in no way safer than being on a bicycle. It's just physics.
I think organized bike rides have done more harm than good for cycling. In the 1990's there were organized 'Critical Mass' protest rides for cyclist safety awareness entailing hundreds of riders blocking major roadways. In Eugene Oregon there was an incident where an ambulance was delayed getting to the hospital with a critically injured patient because of one these protest rides. When cyclists are known for events such as the world naked bike ride the non-cycling public tend to group all cyclists with these fringe groups. Cycling is great low impact exercise but public relations as a whole is severely lacking.
The group drives are way worse.
Rush hours are horrible, too. Even worse. My friend passed in an ambulance because dumb red necks had to hog their socialist road lanes.
I've commuted thousands of miles since the early 90s.
I've driven much more, of course.
Here is my main comment. We are charging E-Car owners tax dollars when they buy their license plate stickers (in some states) to make up for the tax money they don't pay at the pump. Don't we cyclists have the responsibility to purchase some form of "license" to pay for these extra lanes, bike paths, green paint, and extra land that had to purchased to widen the roads? We're asking for the millions in improvements, but then aren't helping foot the bill when we hop on our bikes.
And yes, I am a cyclists and I think this way.
There are lots of RUclips channels and podcasts that explain the details of why cars are more costly. What your argument doesn't account for is weight. The reason cars and trucks (and electric cars, especially) need to pay is because the weight of them damages the road, thus necessitating repairs. Bikes don't put wear and tear on the pavement they ride on. They don't cause damage to the objects and structures they hit like cars and trucks do. The cost of a bike lane on an existing road is a fraction of the cost for new driving infrastructure. And we contribute in other ways to the general funds that pay for these projects. This is a good video on it, if you want more details: ruclips.net/video/Wjv8WQu92c0/видео.htmlsi=GPfDcRJ_jzyZI9i4
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego Also, gas taxes cover less than half of the cost of car infrastructure (source: pirg.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Who-Pays-for-Roads-vUS_1.pdf) Cyclists pay taxes just like everyone else that go to funding expensive infrastructure we never use, which means we're already more than paying our fair share for bike lanes.
No.
That was done for IDEOLOGICAL reasons, some people hate the IDEA of saving gas.
they feel the more they burn that they are hurting the libtards .
There is a negative stereotype of bike riders that is prevalent. It's those that ride for entitlement. They are not riding as part of a commute and they pick the most congested roads without bike lanes, tons of stop signs and traffic lights, dress up for the Tour de France, cut between cars at stop lights so everyone has to wait for them to get up to speed (which they can't because there is another stop light), and ride only during rush hour. Seems ridiculous but I see it every day. Our city has a very nice laid out series of roads that do have bike lanes and few stops that go to almost every area of town. For unknown reasons, most of our entitled bike riders do not use these roads. They seem to ride to force cars to yield to their privilege. I ride, mostly mountain bikes, but when I do road rides, I use the roads with bike lanes or sidewalks approved for bikes. It is a little out of the way, but the point of riding a bike should be to get where you are going and exercise. More bike riders should encourage this group to stop this practice just as they encourage motor vehicles to respect bike lanes. They likely have some correlation.
People ride for lots of reasons, but nobody "rides for entitlement," but that's a funny phrase to create. A lot of this seems like a driver projecting the feelings they have about themselves, moving their cars around and storing them anywhere they'd like
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego You may not ride for entitlement and you may not live in an area that has this problem. You don't know everything or see everything. When you ask a question on why some do not like bikes on the roads, I gave a very real answer. It seems strange but they do ride specifically to slow traffic. There are parallel roads that have bike lanes but they choose the more congested roads with more stop lights. Why? The only reasonable answer is to be "seen" in their "race gear" or their entitlement to cut in front of cars. I can't explain their thinking or why anyone would take roads with stop lights every other block only during rush hour instead of the adjacent parkways with a bike lane. You seem closed minded to a reality that you haven't experienced so you declare that it doesn't exist. Then you imply I park cars or block bike lanes. Sounds like you are the one projecting your "feelings". I just stated observed facts.
"Riding for entitlement" is not a thing. Why do you believe those on bikes should be relegated to some roads and excluded from others?
There's a neighborhood here called North Park. I ride in it frequently. Sometimes I ride on 30th, which has a bike lane. Sometimes, though, I ride on a different street because 30th is out of my way. I don't have to ride an additional 4 blocks for drivers' comfort. I don't have to inconvenience myself for a driver's convenience.
The problem here is that you're coming at this from the point of view that cars are more entitled to the road than others. and I'm not "implying it." I'm saying it: People put their cars in places they clearly don't belong, putting others at risk. Drivers can slow down. We don't have to hurry for them.
If you don't want to sit in rush hour traffic, get out of your car. You are traffic.
@@RidingBikesinSanDiego I'm not implying it, I'm saying it, you are an entitled bike rider. Why ride on a ridiculous road when there is a road parallel to it that was designed for bike traffic. The logical bike rider would take the road that runs parallel. The entitled bike rider will blame the cars, cut to the head of the line at the red lights, which is not legal, and then tie up the cars behind them when it goes green. That is not logical or reasonable and can only be explained as being entitled. When car drivers and bike drivers act reasonably and logically there are few issues. When one or the other decide to throw logic and reason out the window then cars and bikes are going to have problems with each other. Being reasonable seems the best answer not demanding the right to be unreasonable.
What video are you watching where I'm not in the bike lane that's there? Why are you trolling a channel that clearly has a point of view that disagrees with yours?
Look up the word "entitlement," and then look at the way our roads are built almost entirely for you and your car. The designs we have are not logical nor reasonable, and you can't demand people ride bikes in specific places when the spaces are not designed for them.
This is the last time one of your comments will become visible on this channel, @txhookey5608. But it's been fun to get your absurd voice in the conversation.
i bike in Oz. same issue here. i have to say that those people who seem to argue against riders (me and my experience), 'usually' lack life experience Or intellect. the 'i hate cyclists' argument, usually ends in the 'nay' sayer ending their argument in some form of illogical and irrelevant statement which cannot be countered. this indicates to me that these arguments in and around cycling, presented by the anti-bikers', haven't been thought through: cultural problems usually require an effort to change = bummer.
things are slowly getting better in Oz (my experience), mostly through changes in law as well as large but token infrastructure changes.
good luck where ever you are 🫡