Faster Cycling Is On Its Way. Here's Why | GCN Show Ep. 584
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- Опубликовано: 10 авг 2024
- Some traditions are slowing cycling down. Skinny tyres are a thing of the past, sunglasses are on their way out, and road bike handlebars could be raised. Is the cycling rules book due a rewrite? In other news, more AI cycling tech and e-bikes could be controlled remotely.
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00:00 Intro
01:03 Milano Sanremo 2024
01:37 New Australian track bike
01:58 Laura Kenny's retirement
02:15 Cycling Myths busted
03:24 Pro cycling carbohydrate intake
04:40 Low handlebars on bikes
05:35 Cycling sunglasses
05:50 Zone 2 cycling training
10:10 Cycling shorts
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12:27 Onguza Bike Company
13:33 AI cycling technology
15:07 Tour de France Ukraine
16:03 Remotely control e-bikes
18:09 Hack/bodge
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26:30 Comment of the week
29:20 Coming up on GCN
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What cycling traditions have you broken? 🚲
Or microphone position
Sunglasses inside helmet straps 🤯
Wearing a helmet
The tradition of pointing out things to others which makes one come across as an elitist, snobby roadie.
A wide flat bar with bar ends plus aerobars - instead of a dropbar. The combo seems natural for touring.
I feel pretty strongly that the mics add a significant barrier that makes the interactions feel stiff and awkward. Having mics in front of presenters only works when they are facing each other not facing the camera.
I think your comment sums it up nicely. The old setup had no problems.
Thanks for the feedback Terry! That's really interesting feedback. We're always looking at ways we can improve 🙌
Ya its true.but the sound quality just got MUCH better!
I feel that if they got the O.C. White ProBoom Ultima or similar style it'd be adjustable so they cna move around more and it'll be less intrusive to the shot
@@Natuh21I don’t agree, I thought the sound was far more muffled and sounded more like listening to a radio show that was being filmed than a TV broadcast that was being recorded.
I didn't think you guys were ever hard to hear. The mics sound fine, but they are big and distracting in my opinion.
We were never hard to hear but we we're always looking for improvements 🙌
tbh I never had the sound as an issue, but on occasion Si's face looks too overlit!@@gcn
Didn’t notice a sound problem in the past, but I do find the huge microphones near your faces distracting!
I agree. You don’t need these large intrusive microphones.
The UCI needs to outlaw those microphones.
I feel the same, maybe it's much better for the podcasters critical ears, my gear is too crap to notice any difference.
I agree. It’s possible to do broadcast quality sound with /much/ less obtrusive microphones. See broadcast TV, for example.
I love the UCI coment 😂
GCN Show has always been video first. This is at your core, please don't mess this up by following podcast trends!
Yes, please don't waste our time trying to explain visuals to people who choose not to bother watching the video.
Video is a huge part of what we do but we're always looking to improve, we think the mics offer much better audio but it's great to get the views of the community. We can only go up from here 🚀
Audio is always king. People will watch a blank screen that has good audio, but they won't watch excellent video with terrible audio.
@@TimothyFish thankfully there was nothing wrong with the audio before.
They wont swim against the current
The UCI should ban those microphones
But the sound is even better than ever!
@@gcn Don't listen to them, add them to your bikes as well for style
@@gcn No it's not
I hate washing pots, truly hate washing pots, I started the video and went to wash the buggers and instantly noticed the vast improvement in the sound quality.
I’m in the ‘there wasn’t a problem before’ camp - sorry
I dont know how to explain it properly, but before it used to feel like we were there in the room with you, which was nice. Now it feels podcasty and i guess too professional.
Nobody has ever accused Dan of being "too professional" 😉 Thanks for the feedback though, we'll see what we can do 🙌
I'd say less professional, the news on TV looks professional.
That's because they had more natural reverb. With this setup, they will need to add reverb to get it to sound more like that.
I came to write this exact comment but found someone already made it. Feels much less personal and very distracting. The charm of the show takes a huge hit.
Lol they will laugh at the "too professional" but I see your point. It does sound podcasty and not a chat with friends but imagine if ur friends are all singers 😉
I didn't notice a problem with the audio before, but my ears are a bit suspect. My eyes however are fine. I vote no on the new mics.
Admittedly, I didn't notice an issue before and I'm the lead audio guy at my church. But I don't usually pick RUclips audio apart. Going back and listening to previous episodes, I can hear some things that I would've been trying to fix, but at the same time, the new setup adds more problems. Can they be fixed? Yes, with the right equipment and someone who knows how to use it. Does it require putting these mics directly in front of the presenters? No. These mics are more of a radio mic. They aren't designed to be seen on video, though a lot of low budget RUclips channels like to show them on video to show that they can afford a $350 microphone. For a show like GCN, that has millions of subscribers, putting their presenters on earset mics like a Countryman or a DPA going into wireless beltpacks shouldn't be out of the budget and they would go unnoticed on camera. A lot of TV presenters still use lavaliers, which work well in a studio setup, but could be a problem with as close as the GCN presenters sit together.
I vote 'BODGE' on the new mics!
I think the sound is actually worse with the new microphones
I think they are liking the deeper bass they are getting out of them, but yes, the rest of the sound quality is much worse. It's bad enough that if I were paying an audio guy and getting this result that I'd be looking for someone else.
Yea I'd describe these podcast mikes not as better but over miked. I don't want to hear all those mouth noises?! You can't hear them when you talk to someone 😱
Surely there has to be a better mic option. The clip-on bluetooth mics onto the tshirt would surely do the job even for the podcast team.
Or even the mics on table stand at the back of the desk. They ruin the video and you boys are less dynamic as you're focussing on your position for the mics.
"Ruin the video" is a bit much
Thanks for the feedback Andy! We hopped the new mics would add much better audio, benefiting both the watcher and the podcast listeners 🙌 We're always looking to improve what we do, all ideas are welcome
That's fair enough and trial and error is very much a worthwhile outing 👍🏻
@@gcn If you must use them we don't want to see them; how about on booms above the frame?
The new microphones seem not to improve the audio, but they certainly are obtrusive. Bluetooth mics on the t-shirts are much less intrusive and the audio is just as good.
With the number of subscribers they have, I'm sure they can do better than Bluetooth mics. Bluetooth has latency issues and they have a tendency to have dropouts.
We'll see what we can do, there is a happy middle group somewhere 😉
Not a fan of the microphones. The sound was fine before. You guys seemed more wooden with the mics pinning you in place.
Yes the audio sounds better. But it never sounded bad and didn't need fixed. You said it yourselves in the video - "Solution, looking for a problem"
You're right it never sounded bad but we're always looking to improve the content we make. We think there could be a better spot for these mics 👀
@@gcn How about desktop stands, so they're not at head height? A lot of vloggers seem to manage OK with them on such stands.
It’s no accident the slot on the back of a CR2032 battery device is…the exact size of a CR2032 battery! Use the new battery to open it! 🤯
Well obviously the best place for the large new microphones is down the front of your shirts -- you'd be much more aero/aeroo and could finish the show in record time. And the cycling tradition I leave behind as often as possible is riding on roads where a lot of people drive vehicles -- give me trails and gravelly forest service roads please!
Hahahah a more aero GCN show would be over sooner - we don't want that 😉
As a long time listener of the CGN show and with a hobby of audio recording, I can‘t tell any difference in audio quality with these monstrous new mics. Bigger is not necessarily better, when it comes to mics.
Thats interesting, If you compare the audio to last weeks show we do feel there is an improvement - maybe we can play around with placement? Thanks for commenting, we really value the feedback 🙌
need to be using boom mics instead of those huge pieces of scaffolding
As somebody who mostly listens to the show rather than watching it, I think the audio was just fine without the new monstrous mics. The show in GCN En Español still has terrible audio reverb, though. It's like it's filmed inside a metal container.
Can only give the new limited edition shirts a "Nice", as the bike is shown on its non drive side, cranks aren't aligned, doesn't have a chain. So it's just a nice
Ollie is that you? 👀
Sound not so different. Mics slightly distracting. Show amusing as ever! 👏👏👏👏👏
Thanks for the feedback chris🙌Hope you tune in next week too?
Not a fan of new microphones, intrusive.
Then don't buy one 😐
Huh? I was referring to the mics used in the GCN video. Apologies, I wasn't clear.@@JamesSmith-qs4hx
@@duettoqyou were perfectly clear - just like the audio on the GCN Show before these microphones 😅
New microphones, sound is negligibly different, personally, I think they get in the way and I found the videos much more personable without the microphones, blocking the interaction between yourselves and the viewers….
That tumbleweed moment was top 5 for GCN. Si's look is priceless.
It was magical
Right place, right time 🤣
The sound is good but I do not like having them in front of you. Can they be mounted overhead, out of view?
We'll see what we can do!
That's not really how these mics are designed to be used. A shotgun mic is a better choice for that use.
@@TimothyFish Thank you. I do not know about microphone types.
@@AirwolfCrazy, you're probably better off that way. The more money you spend on microphones, the less money you can spend on bikes.
@@TimothyFish...and model trains. ...and SCUBA gear. ...and woodworking tools. 😁
Can do without the microphones... still sounds the same.
Those are for the podcast crew 🎧
It very much doesn't. The audio has been poor recently. Very glad to see this.
@@gcn this is still a gcn *SHOW* - viewers must be prioritized over listeners, mics should go behind the screen.
The mics may be for podcasts but for RUclips it looks unprofessional makes the channel look like a bolt on to a podcast and devalues a brilliant channel. All you see is a mic, let’s get rid of them please
I thought they were testing product placement devices for the new CamelBak bottles……
Mics sound the same and look rediculous. Very distracting
The only ridiculous thing here is your spelling
Feedback on the microphones. I never thought sound was a problem, and i agree with a comment i saw from someone else who said that it looks like the gcn show is a podcast first, considering you rely fairly heavily on watching clips or pictures I would guess its a podcast second
As an audio engineer: Put two condenser microphones in front of and over your head as close as possible but just out of the frame, pointed at your mouth. Small diaphragm, cardioid polar pattern and good room acoustics provided, this should result in good audio AND good video.
I was not watching when the youtube video started, and noticed the greatly improved sound quality immediately. I hope you keep it. I agree with comments that say the mic supports are a bit distracting, BUT there are other options that would be far less intrusive.
Keep up the great work.
Mic’s sound great, look like SM7Bs. If there’s a concern about their intrusiveness have you tried a Sennheiser MKH416 shotgun mic? You could set it up out of frame and get some decent audio, may split the difference.
Great tip! We'll do some research 🙌 We hope you agree, the sound is much better?
#captioncompetition: Tadej Pocapture doing his thing
Hi, thanks for the show! I would say that the sound was fine before and that the mics are a little distracting to be honest.
Really noticed the mics broke the connection you feel between the viewer and the presenters. Obviously there good reason video / tv shows don’t put mics in front of presenters.
Toss the mics they are a bodge
The audio appears to be slightly better with the new microphones. However, they are very distracting and don't justify the little gains in sound quality.
Maybe we can look at the placement for next week's show?
I want to point out don't mess with the gcn show...those mics man....no and dont put the highlights at the start of the video ! They do it on tv and it's fucking annoying ! Timestamps are pretty good !
Mics in front of people on camera looks really stupid. Plus it still Sounds the same.
Aerooo pocket - yes
Thoughts of Dan pumping iron - no (Aluminium maybe...)
Zone 2 training - yes!
Mic's - Noooo
The new microphones sound good, look a bit obtrustive.
We will work on it! ❤
It's a fine line but we'll find a good spot 🙌
Can't wait to see the interaction between the cowbell and those microphones in the "Nice/Super Nice" segment
As long as Jon is not involved 🔔
I don't mind the new mics! I think the few angry comments do not necessarily represent the whole community
We hear you 🙌 Thanks for the feedback, we like them too!
Ditch the microphones guys. Pleeeease!
Glad you asked about the mics. From the sound perspective, I noticed no difference. They only obstruct the view of you guys, so, I guess keep the mics, or even get bigger ones
🤣🤣
@@gcn Yup. Never had an issue with sound...now have an issue with visual. If it's a cost saving thing cool...but aesthetically why?
they do look stupid (the microphones). No shot you have to have them in the frame instead of using a shotgun mic or body packs and lav mics. and if you want a cool mic go for a ribbon one.
Micro phones look stupid. Get rid of them
After 10 minutes of watching I didn't notice the microphones as much. The sound is great though! I listen and watch using headphones which sounds amazingly clear now. No issues with the previous setup and you guys are still humorous!
Sound is good but visually the mics are distracting or throws the whole scene off. For the podcast, good, but for us YT viewers, not, IMO. Old sound was fine,why the change?
It wasn't
I agree... I never noticed any problems with the audio before... and with their 'fixed camera looking forward' setup, the mics look really strange and distracting!
That Varia mount is perfect and it’s mounted correctly for US drive on the right side
The radar sensor is a bit low, and maybe blocked by the wheel
I prefer to mount lights off centre as they don't get covered in muck. What's with the symmetry argument? What about your chain?
Agree. The Garmin Varia works just fine. It gives a audible and visible warning to the cyclist and blinks the light for the car. Something about inventing something that already there....
No on the microphones,
I listen to this as a podcast normally & watch it to see what they are talking about later. The microphones made little to no difference in audio but, has made a decline in appeal for the visual aspect of the gcn show.
I hope this doesn’t bleed over to the tech and race shows.
There is definitely a difference in audio quality. But I’m also an audio engineer so I notice those things. I doubt most people will notice the difference. The audio was still great before. The noise floor is noticeably higher with the new mics. I think the mic stands make it distracting because it makes it much more apparent if the presenters are event spaced and the frame is centered. In this case the presenters are slightly too far right
hi! Many thanks for the points you have raised 👍
The next big thing is transparent aluminum/ aluminium
🖖🏼one of my favorite scenes with Scotty
New mics? Nope. Two problems. 1) The are ridiculous in frame like that. If you must mount them in front of the presenters, you need to reframe the image so it doesn't look like some lunatic grip is leaning in from the side 🙂 2) The sound is 'wrong' The quality is good and would seem right perhaps on an audio only podcast. But it is an odd tone for video.
Please either do a podcast, or GCN show...
sounds terrific, Noticed the sound change right away in the intro before looking at the image, and told myself, this is not the GCN show, the intro was kind of mysterious this time if I may.
Crisp silence, better small sounds definition, and some kind of equalization or crest prevention If I have to guess, I can hear it all.
I did radio, but I'm really not a sound pro, I also have a pretty bad misophonia I don't really address ( 3 your kids at home ) every limiting loud sounds and better definition of small sounds makes a world of difference. I don't like to say it but better sound literally makes me less depressed at the end of the day.
Noticed after a minute or two, the sound could be reequalized, for less hissing and more a rich middles and bass tones. If a GCN sound pro is reading.
The Microphones say Podcast or Radio Program.
What should we be saying instead? 👀
@@gcn, earset mics would be almost invisible.
Toblerones in you front pocket could save 20 watts !!!
A handy mid ride snack too
New Toblerones or the old ones?
The irony in us cyclists bemoaning pro microphones for their aesthetics when we welcome the Giro Aero helmets, glasses that look like confused ski goggles and riding with gizmos/Varia devices and phone cockpits.
All for the new audio fidelity, kudos gcn.
Are you suggesting that us cyclists aren't the most stylish people ... 👀
@@gcnperhaps, the golden era of style of course being Mario Cipollini's Briko Jumper sunglasses 🕺
I thoroughly enjoy this programme. Your chemistry is highly entertaining. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Chris! Always fun filming with these two 🙌
Where is the subscriber “Welcome to the GCN Show” intro?? Come on guys and gals…..
So happy their gone! Very awkward most of the time
I guess they just can‘t be uploaded
Aero bar bags
Oooo there's an idea! 💡
Sound quality was clearly superior and I think we should be doing all we can to support GCN right now in expanding the audience. Keep the great content coming, with or without microphones!
The new microphones make it sound like you’re talking into a microphone…which oddly enough isn’t good. Without the mic’s you guys sound more like a conversation, with the mic’s it’s like a performance.
Bivo has been making metal insulated bottles for a while now. We love then, particularly in the Arizona heat. Check them out ❤
Many E-bikes in the U.S. ride on either sidewalks or multi-use paths where there are pedestrians. I find, as a cyclist and someone who walks a lot, many e-bikers don’t announce a pass or use a bell. They ride fast and too close and weave between people instead of yielding. Of course there are responsible e-bikers but in a town where tourism is high and people with little cycling knowledge rent them for fun it is super dangerous. We do have some bike lanes on the roads but e-bikers mostly use the paths and sidewalks because the cars are aggressive- they don’t realize that they look like. cars to the walkers
i guess everyone else is listening through their laptop speakers because the audio is noticeably better on good headphones. It's a cycling show, I don't care what device you talk into as long as I can understand you and you continue to talk about bikes.
We agree, the audio to us is worlds better. Would you like to see us go back to the old set up? Or are you happy with the new improvements?
@@gcn Just get the mics out of frame
I like the new mics. The sound is a lot fuller. If they are cardioids, you may be limited to having them where they are. But, for the sake of testing, try positioning them above each presenter (boom style) slightly ahead of each presenter but still aimed at their mouths. That way, you could still get good audio (may need to increase gain/trim if the mics are more than 12" from their mouths) and have the mics out of the shot completely. Possibly add a low cut filter so that it doesn't pick up ambient room sounds (HVAC, etc.).
The sound quality of the new microphones IS better, but I find them a bit intrusive to the presentation.
The beer comment was hilarious 🤣 😂
Please lose the mics. Really spoils the look and the sound improvement is about as marginal a gain as missing a spot when shaving
T-shirts spoil the look
Love the show, but not the new mics. Never had a problem hearing with the old ones and noticed them right away. Also noticed Dan's monsterous "guns" and how the new mics are bigger than Si's water pistol biceps! 😂
Muscles? GCN presenters? Are you watching us? 😂
I personally enjoy the improved audio🙌
Keep up the good work!
Verdict: Keep the mics out of the shot. Use good quality lavalier mics combined with overhead mics picking up some room depth and mix it and equalizing it. Take a page from the TV newsroom and not the podcast suite.
I find the microphones visually distracting and I kind like the old audio quality better
You like worse quality audio? Considered getting your ears waxed?
I really like the new mikes and you sound even more professional.
❤❤
"How does he live in Indiana & Michigan at the same time?" -Si
Indiana & Michigan share a border my bike-friend. Plenty of homes straddle the border.. :)
Thank you for finally doing a video on fueling at gas stations and such...been asking for this video for years!
Mics are a dramatic improvement. Thank you!
❤
Love the tire sealant spray at 2:30. Hint: park your bike with valves at 5:00 or 7:00 to let the sealant drain out of the valve stem.
Hack!
So back in the day when I was running 27 x 1 1/4 inch tires I was zooming along and I didn't know it. lol
I still have several bikes with 27" HPs. Mavic Module E. Michelin Elan. 28 - 630.
Enjoyed this week’s show on podcast. I half doubted that you guys had a new microphone until I saw it on RUclips. Sound quality was fine, Dan seemed to have a loads of great ideas but I don’t think that’s because of the microphone ;)
Appreciate it's probably for the podcast but can't say I ever worried about the sound quality
I never noticed an issue with the audio quality either.
The Giro helmets are an monstrosity. Free speed in cycling is the bighest joke. Everything is so over priced, and marketing is doing their best at convincing people they need all this crap that only makes their walets lighter. All those "independent" RUclips channels are bought and paid for..
Not a fan of the mics. I know I'm watching a TV program but I feel like I'm listening to a podcast.
you have got to be joking. a definite no to the new mics, they are a huge visual distraction. if you need better sound ( I have not had a problem) there are better solutions.
Microphones look stupid with no improvement in sound.
The sound is a slight improvement but at the price of much poorer aesthetics. As many here have commented it is probably not worth it. Save the mics for podcasts.
The trade off for better sound quality is not worth the distraction of seeing those things. Thumbs down for the boom mics.
Finally!!! You no longer sound like you're filming in the WC!! 😂
🎤🚽😂
The mics remind me of Lance’s channel The Move ! No need for them sound was fine before
The tire width video was awesome. They are close in speed over a distance, but what about just in a sprint? Are the bigger tires slower to accelerate?
Mics are a no from me. The sound quality is excellent with them but they're a barrier between us and Dan & Si. At least put them on the desk.
High carbs is ok if you are young. It does not end well later on.
Whats with the mics? Yes. They look stupid.
Better not slow people down when crossing a junction? How will they tell if they’ve sped up to avoid an incident?
"Offside rear seatstay" - show me a front seatstay!! 😂
Keep the microphones.
They look silly but sound good. We'll get used to them.
You really don’t need those microphones 😂😂
But Dan said that they would produce a "warm deep sound, that is a joy to listen to"
🤔nope
To add to the audio question, I did go back an listen to a previous episode to compare what you had with what you have now. Previously, there was a bit of an echo that I would associate with the room the filming is done in. Some adjustment of the eq might have helped, but the sound was nearly as bad as you are getting with these mics. In this episode, there's this "white noise" that is in the background. It is constant and quite irritating. While no mic will be completely devoid of mic hiss, this is excessive. You can use a gate to get rid of the noise when no one is talking, but it is still noticeable when people are talking. Since you are recording, rather than doing live audio, you may be able to remove the hiss with post-processing, but adds work. I'd check your gains. The preamps are probably set too low, so downstream, when the audio is being amplified to suitable levels for broadcast, the noise floor is being amplified also.
Thanks Dan , Si , and crew...I like the mike..
Microphones are a disaster, get rid of them, very distracting. It's a NO from me 😕
Mics sound great! You could hide Dan’s mini cable just like Si’s
ah yes! Makes a change for Si to be the tidy one of the pair! 😂
For commuting - flat pedals are often quicker to get onto than single sided road clips. I'm almost always faster taking off at the traffic lights than roadie commuters with cleats. They generally pass me after they manage to get clipped in of course but then I catch them again at the next set of lights.
Still loving the: "has cycling gotten too expensive?" To "check out this $500 kit" change. Not gonna solve many problems if most the cycling population can't afford it. May as well tell us about new F1 tire compounds that'll def be in our tires on bikes in 25yrs.