That's a good multiuse of a linesman's belt or positioning lanyard. I've never really been a fan for using it for climbing sticks or transitioning from it to a tether (I just never really thought it was a safe method). I could see that if things went wrong, like losing a stick or loss of footing. Things would make a turn for the worse. Now a linesman's belt does have its place and it's a good tool if used what its intended for. As a hunter, I always like when we have a tool that can have multiple functions. Thanks John!!
And yet, I am seeing content providers saying exactly the opposite: that a LB will save ya. In my analysis, at best, it might lessen the injuries, and the details are dependent on what is below us to stop us and how we will absorb the impact.
@jrbtc I agree, John. Many years ago, I tried the linesman's belt method. Knowing the fact that I really didn't trust it as a tool that would stop my fall. (I paid the price that day) It was a cold day on my hunt with icy rain. Finally, when it was time to come down, I knew I had to be careful because there could be ice on the steps. Even though I was careful, I lost my footing and fell about 3-4 feet. What stopped my fall was the fact that I reached out and grabbed one of the steps. I sustained some injuries in my shoulder and rib area, which lasted for a month. Lesson learned!!! I also learned that when you fall, it happens when you least expect it, and it's very fast.
@enjoytheoutdoors1018 I'm glad it wasn't worse, and I deeply appreciate your courage to share your experience. Someone is going to read this... many people will read this... in fact, this conversation will still be here when we're no longer here... and in that time, it will be shared, and it will change some minds and save some bones, perhaps some lives. The ones we help can't thank us for an accident that never happened. But we know it's the right thing to do. Cheers
Yes, but we want an absolute minimum amount of setback and we also want it to be impossible to pop through when shortening it when slack. The link does a nice job.
Quick question. Sorry, I’m just starting out and not super experienced in tying these hitches, but it’s not obvious to me why you choose the Blake’s hitch and tender instead of using a compact LHA?
@brockboudreaux1041 great question. We can create a very nice LB with a Longhorn Agile or using a JRB Ascender too. But with 6mm cord as shown here, we would need smaller cord, like 4mm and its going to require more frequent inspection. A LB gets a lot of adjustment and I prefer a tender to maximize longevity. Also, this design allows us to create it with only one material. Also, the tending operation here is very clean and has a minimum setback. In fact, I am testing it (and the others) for platform attachment too.
I’m a saddle hunter, I’m lucky I can tie my shoes. In an attempt to keep things simple after watching some of your other videos I concluded that I can use the Longhorn Agile hitch for both a linesman rope and a tree tether (which is also my rappel rope). Then I watched this video and I’m not sure I’m correct. I like the ease of one handed tending (I’m not using a Prusik anymore for that reason)and the fact the agile hitch is easy to break under load. If I master a Longhorn Agile Compact hitch, is that a good choice for a lineman rope, a tree tether, and a backup friction hitch for a figure eight rappel?
I just looked at the Blake’s hitch video. Definitely easier, I’m practicing. Still curious if you think there’s a “best” knot for the three jobs listed above?
Yes, the Longhorn Agile can be the one hitch for all jobs especially now that we have a way to configure the bottom in a compact or shackle mode. The point of this video was a design for a LB which is really thin and compact plus a Gear Hanger. I would nor use this design for lifeline even if larger diameter in lieu of the LA.
It's just over 8' long, including the carabiners on each side, or approximately 7.5 ft without the carabiners included in the measurement. The webpage has been updated to capture the answer to your good question. Thx. jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/linemans-belt/
@tylerparker3024 I don't use a tether and don't believe any Hunter should unless they are highly experienced at self-rescue. It's our responsibility to be prepared for the day that we lose our footing because our stick pr platform disappears and we can't get our foot on anything. It has cost us one life that I am aware of. And there are several ways to get our rope above us in a tree. A throwball, a paracord preset or a pole. Watch: ruclips.net/video/9OzmDN-s7fc/видео.htmlsi=SPnwmGuNk8mxRZor
You are using a tether. Its just a long one. I just dont see why it would need to be 14 feet above you? And i think the guy youre talking about made his mistakes and thats what happened unfortunately.. inexperience and making mistakes are always possible, but if you do things correctly you shouldnt be able to lose your platform or your sticks. Either way, my question really didnt involve any of these topics?
@tylerparker3024 I am on a Doubled climbing rope. Look closely and you will see there are two strands connected to me and they go over a tree crotch that's much higher. I am not on a tether. I climbed up in the tree using the rope. Ask any arborist if they know what a tether is and they will not. A tether is a short rope that someone thought was a good idea for saddle hunting. If your tether is long enough to reach the ground then it is a lifeline. When we execute a throw ball, we might go over a branch that's 40 ft off the ground. But we don't want to climb that high. We want to stop at whatever height is best for hunting. Any climber. Particularly a one stick climber could easily find a situation where their stick popped off the tree and they found themselves hanging from nothing but a tether. It happened once and it's going to happen again. If you don't get it, at least someone else will read this comment and give it more thought
@tylerparker3024 Cool. We agree. This is how I typically climb and how I climbed b4 the Linemans video started. Note that there's no anchor or "Girth Hitch " on the tree, just a balanced rope over a crotch. I carry more rope than most of the rappel team, but I don't need to carry any sticks and most importantly, am always safely on zero slack. Cheers ruclips.net/video/Gn-Q8MyijOs/видео.htmlsi=hLfrw_lkif2QnfWT
Out-f'n-standing John, as usual!🙂 Thanks
Thanks!
Great idea for multi function.
That's a good multiuse of a linesman's belt or positioning lanyard. I've never really been a fan for using it for climbing sticks or transitioning from it to a tether (I just never really thought it was a safe method). I could see that if things went wrong, like losing a stick or loss of footing. Things would make a turn for the worse. Now a linesman's belt does have its place and it's a good tool if used what its intended for. As a hunter, I always like when we have a tool that can have multiple functions. Thanks John!!
And yet, I am seeing content providers saying exactly the opposite: that a LB will save ya. In my analysis, at best, it might lessen the injuries, and the details are dependent on what is below us to stop us and how we will absorb the impact.
@jrbtc I agree, John. Many years ago, I tried the linesman's belt method. Knowing the fact that I really didn't trust it as a tool that would stop my fall. (I paid the price that day) It was a cold day on my hunt with icy rain. Finally, when it was time to come down, I knew I had to be careful because there could be ice on the steps. Even though I was careful, I lost my footing and fell about 3-4 feet. What stopped my fall was the fact that I reached out and grabbed one of the steps. I sustained some injuries in my shoulder and rib area, which lasted for a month. Lesson learned!!! I also learned that when you fall, it happens when you least expect it, and it's very fast.
@enjoytheoutdoors1018 I'm glad it wasn't worse, and I deeply appreciate your courage to share your experience. Someone is going to read this... many people will read this... in fact, this conversation will still be here when we're no longer here... and in that time, it will be shared, and it will change some minds and save some bones, perhaps some lives. The ones we help can't thank us for an accident that never happened. But we know it's the right thing to do. Cheers
Great stuff, looks awesome!
It's going to be handy on the leaning trees.
Thanks again
Great video John. It's also possible to use the carabiner as tender for the Blake's.
Yes, but we want an absolute minimum amount of setback and we also want it to be impossible to pop through when shortening it when slack. The link does a nice job.
@@jrbtc good point. The link does provide some nice advantages
Quick question.
Sorry, I’m just starting out and not super experienced in tying these hitches, but it’s not obvious to me why you choose the Blake’s hitch and tender instead of using a compact LHA?
@brockboudreaux1041 great question. We can create a very nice LB with a Longhorn Agile or using a JRB Ascender too. But with 6mm cord as shown here, we would need smaller cord, like 4mm and its going to require more frequent inspection. A LB gets a lot of adjustment and I prefer a tender to maximize longevity. Also, this design allows us to create it with only one material. Also, the tending operation here is very clean and has a minimum setback. In fact, I am testing it (and the others) for platform attachment too.
I’m a saddle hunter, I’m lucky I can tie my shoes.
In an attempt to keep things simple after watching some of your other videos I concluded that I can use the Longhorn Agile hitch for both a linesman rope and a tree tether (which is also my rappel rope). Then I watched this video and I’m not sure I’m correct.
I like the ease of one handed tending (I’m not using a Prusik anymore for that reason)and the fact the agile hitch is easy to break under load.
If I master a Longhorn Agile Compact hitch, is that a good choice for a lineman rope, a tree tether, and a backup friction hitch for a figure eight rappel?
I just looked at the Blake’s hitch video. Definitely easier, I’m practicing. Still curious if you think there’s a “best” knot for the three jobs listed above?
Yes, the Longhorn Agile can be the one hitch for all jobs especially now that we have a way to configure the bottom in a compact or shackle mode. The point of this video was a design for a LB which is really thin and compact plus a Gear Hanger. I would nor use this design for lifeline even if larger diameter in lieu of the LA.
This gives you a finished lineman’s belt of how long? Max usable length?
It's just over 8' long, including the carabiners on each side, or approximately 7.5 ft without the carabiners included in the measurement. The webpage has been updated to capture the answer to your good question. Thx.
jrbtreeclimbing.com/content/linemans-belt/
Why would you tie your tether 14 foot over your head? And how lol
@tylerparker3024 I don't use a tether and don't believe any Hunter should unless they are highly experienced at self-rescue. It's our responsibility to be prepared for the day that we lose our footing because our stick pr platform disappears and we can't get our foot on anything. It has cost us one life that I am aware of. And there are several ways to get our rope above us in a tree. A throwball, a paracord preset or a pole. Watch:
ruclips.net/video/9OzmDN-s7fc/видео.htmlsi=SPnwmGuNk8mxRZor
You are using a tether. Its just a long one. I just dont see why it would need to be 14 feet above you? And i think the guy youre talking about made his mistakes and thats what happened unfortunately.. inexperience and making mistakes are always possible, but if you do things correctly you shouldnt be able to lose your platform or your sticks. Either way, my question really didnt involve any of these topics?
@tylerparker3024 I am on a Doubled climbing rope. Look closely and you will see there are two strands connected to me and they go over a tree crotch that's much higher. I am not on a tether. I climbed up in the tree using the rope. Ask any arborist if they know what a tether is and they will not. A tether is a short rope that someone thought was a good idea for saddle hunting. If your tether is long enough to reach the ground then it is a lifeline. When we execute a throw ball, we might go over a branch that's 40 ft off the ground. But we don't want to climb that high. We want to stop at whatever height is best for hunting. Any climber. Particularly a one stick climber could easily find a situation where their stick popped off the tree and they found themselves hanging from nothing but a tether. It happened once and it's going to happen again. If you don't get it, at least someone else will read this comment and give it more thought
Tether doesnt mean short rope its whatever rope is tethering you to the tree but its fine. I get what youre saying.
@tylerparker3024 Cool. We agree. This is how I typically climb and how I climbed b4 the Linemans video started. Note that there's no anchor or "Girth Hitch " on the tree, just a balanced rope over a crotch. I carry more rope than most of the rappel team, but I don't need to carry any sticks and most importantly, am always safely on zero slack. Cheers
ruclips.net/video/Gn-Q8MyijOs/видео.htmlsi=hLfrw_lkif2QnfWT
Great idea for stretched out bungee !
As usual, to notch brother. Pun intented, always.
I meant to say top notch. But spell check.... man...