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Eglinton Crosstown LRT - opening ... soon?
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- Toronto's Eglinton Crosstown LRT, to be numbered as TTC Line 5, has been under construction for several years but hasn't opened yet. Let's take a few minutes to have a look and talk about it!
00:00 Introduction
00:54 Project History
02:09 Stops and Stations
03:12 Vehicles
#Toronto #Transit #TheCrosstown #Line5
I made the nerdy video about Eglinton Crosstown LRT vs. Toronto streetcars. Here it is: ruclips.net/video/OSs7pbdFGZk/видео.html
Great videos and info Steve. Thanks! 🤓
Ontario: We are very good at announcing announcements to announce possibly another announcement about when we can finally announce that the project is delayed another 6 months.
Best announcement in the video!
"They" will milk this, until the Andromeda Galaxy arrives and merges with the Milky Way.
And with each announcement the price goes up and they have to announce that fares will rise to cover costs. And guess who has to pay for all this, not the announcers, that's for sure.
@@maximilliancunningham6091 Damn andromedians, rushing the TTC like this. Now the budget will have to inflate again
I want that nerdy video about the technical details of the LRVs
I second this
oh? but the fella distinguishes not between cars and elements though .. why must Canadian/en/nnes like you settle for SHEER mediocrity, do pray tell..?
a count of zero human can never E V E R be plural, so Eff Off with that there meddlesomely besotting Corporate-speak... 💡💡💡
Same
The announcements of announcements had me😂😂😂
Several of you want the nerdy video, so it will be coming! Probably not until this spring, but that's still going to be before the line opens 🙂
Video gets extremely complicated after Location 3:30. Very confusing. Train, vehicle, cab. No clue what he is talking about. Is he talking about the street cars, subway trains or this disaster called Eglinton LRT? Is he comapring all three at the same time?
Should have built a SUBWAY 100% UNDERGROUND not this rolling road block
@@georgevavoulis4758yep - they got it right up until Don Mills, but they negated all the benefits by bringing it up to run at grade. It should have been elevated - which is hopefully what we will do with extensions for this to the west and for Line 5 in the future. The issue isn’t so much with the vehicle but with the fact that it isn’t grade separated.
@@rebeccawinter472 The Line 5 West extension to Renforth will be underground, except for a bridge over the Eglinton Flats and a bridge over the Humber.
@@KardiFan2000 it makes no sense given there’s so much space in the outer boroughs to put elevated guideways for light rail. If Vancouver can do it through most of its outer boroughs, so can Toronto.
I really hope they reconsider as it’s just not economical. We are right now building tunnels in Scarbourough, when it could be above ground (on the old Line 3 right of way) and soon likely on the border of York Region again, if there’s another Line 1 extension. I want more transit, which is why we need to be sensible about what the most cost effective option is.
Tunneling costs 2x as much, on average, as elevated guideways. Ergo, we could build a whole other transit line/extension (perhaps an extension of Line 4 west to Sheppard West & east, elevated to STC or Sheppard/Mc Cowan), with the money saved.
I worked at Leaside Station for 3 years. I ran the Fire Alarm with a crew of 4 guys. We had the station ready for occupancy in DECEMBER 2022…….I’m not kidding. Apparently all the stations were done 1 year ago, but, it’s all these little details and glitches along the track that are holding things up
so where is the accountability for the delays? And the over spending?
@@ScotchOnyx I hear you. Remember we work for sub contractors so our company gets paid when we completed the work and got the station “occupancy” after verification of the system. The thing is I did my part and delivered the completion in 2022 so it’s been 14 months now. I’m like you and my thinking is that Crosslinx folks are holding this up with track mechanical issues. It’s fair to question that I understand. I believe all the stations are good to go. Obviously I’m no longer on this project so I can only piece together what I hear. From what I hear it will open this year fingers crossed 🤞
I'm in the trade myself the blame and fault is usually no on the workers. I can't imagine home many layers sub sub sub contracts are created. I'm working on a lot of property management maintenance work right now. Decades ago I realized our company would never win certain contracts/bids and will always be working what is sub contracted out. @@bobbykiriakidis9753
@@ScotchOnyx construction companies/builders because they get the job for the lowest bids, are incentives to up charge for any issues they come across. This is why construction jobs are always overbudget... it's by design.
Hah literally in front of the Leaside station right now on transit, a minute after reading this.
Awesome video Steve, thanks very much. Love the announcements. Perhaps you could do an annual update every February on the “progress” Metrolinx is making towards opening this thing. I feel sorry for the business owners who lost their livelihoods due to the construction delays caused by this.
Ah yes, but it may be a good idea to announce the announcement for the annual progress announcement 3 months in advance, just in case.
In 1954 Toronto opened its first subway line. It ran completely underground with 12 stations and 7.4 km of heavy rail track. It took about 4.5 years to complete at a cost of about $104 million per km of track (in today's dollars)
In 2024 Toronto is expected to open the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. Its got 25 stops and is a total of 19 km of light rail track running both underground and above ground. It began construction in August 2011 and here we are 12.5 years later and its still not operational. It has cost about $12.8 billion to build that works out to about $674 million per km of track.
Despite having higher expertise, better technology and more manpower we got 1.52 km of track built per year compared to 1.64 km of track per year almost 7 decades ago. That works out to be about 8% less efficient.
So to sum up - 8% less efficient and 6.7 times more costly in 2024 for LRT compared to 1954 HRT. Perhaps not a completely oranges to oranges comparison but c'mon is this what we call progress? Shameful.
It's frustrating, isn't it? BTW, the original subway line wasn't entirely underground - from Bloor to Eglinton it was mostly above ground. For a bit more detail, have a look at my video on how much of the Toronto subway system is actually sub.
Not that there's an excuse for the delay but in 54 there were tons of open fields, no where's near the amount of cars and buildings and now where near the amount of underground infrastructure like gaslines electrical and who knows what else the have to work around or nor divert.
How much of that money went into workers union and politicians pockets.
It's encouraging that the Yonge-Eglinton intersection is back to normal after a decade.
Apparently it was safer for pedestrians while under construction...
@@tristanridley1601 LOL
There is a change though, you can not turn any side, but has to drive straight on Yonge or Eglinton. This is actually better - less slow turning traffic and more safe for pedestrians.
I’d be interested in hearing about the technical differences :)
Edmonton just opened its new Valley Line LRT, which is essentially identical to the Crosstown LRT, right down to the Bombardier trains. Edmonton's was three years delayed but mostly due to COVID and supply chain issues (plus they found a car-sized concrete block in the middle of the river that nobody knew was there). The anger over the delays in Edmonton was insane - I cannot imagine how people in T.O. are feeling after nearly a decade of delays (that seem to be caused by shoddy construction and nothing more).
People in Toronto are sheep and don’t car3 about delayed project.
Imagine a supply chain getting slowed down due to a new flu variant. lol
People really were built different back in time, from 1920 to 2000.
We're just... Used to it. We've been living with this for longer than most of us have been alive. Both parties do the same stuff. None of us can recall competent government, and no one seems to realize that MAYBE we ought to locate and elect someone with basic common sense.
@@CinHalCedHerChance Yeah, after they'd had a couple of years to recover from the Spanish flu and WWI. LOL
My favourite nerdy thing is that these vehicles are Standard Gauge while the Toronto streetcars and lines 1, 2, and 4 are Toronto Gauge. Line 6 on Finch and the Ontario Line will also be Standard Gauge.
it will easier as standard guage to sell to some other carrier
Changing the gauge on equipment is not hard, it just means a change in the bogies.
Great vid Steve! Looking forward to the next delay announcements!
And lets not forget the original Eglinton subway line that was approved, funded and actually under construction in 1994.
And how Mike Harris killed it!
I saw seven trains go by last week. Seven trains a-testing, six workers working, five looooong delays . . . four tooting horns, three-colour scheme, two pantographs, and an unknown opening date! (Maybe by Christmas?)
Thanks for uploading this. Its nice to actually get a recent glimpse of the trains. Hope it actually opens someday! LOL
Unfortunately, delays are not uncommon with public transit projects. In Los Angeles, the LAX People Mover was delayed from June 2024 to October 2024 and there is a rumor it now might be delayed to April 2025. Though I hope that's not true.
Toronto picked some good looking trains. Hopefully, the line will open soon.
Same people that built Eglinton are building LAX. At least the vehicle and the signalling aspects of the project. The ex Bombardier part of Alstom.
I too would love to get my Transit Nerd on! Bring it on!!! ☺️
Informative and educational, thanks Steve
Thanks for pointing out that this is the same vehicle as the ion LRT in Kitchener. That was my only question but you answered it before the video was over.
Thanks for the informative update Steve. Much appreciated!
Due to all the delays I thought it was something grand and magnificent, but seeing it for the first time it looks bare bone, something that should be build in a year.
Omg my brain is doing backflips trying to figure the announcing bit 😂
I used to live Scarborough & went on the LRT from Kennedy Station, exit/enter at Lawrence Street East Station because the high school I had attended was close by, also went to the Scarborough Town Centre.
I once found two large rolls of ttc tokens on the midland LRT with my gf. Good memories.
Interesting stuff. There's a project for bringing back tramways here in Québec city. I hope I'll live long enough to use them one day. It was proposed a few years ago, and there was quite a bit of (brain) work put into it, but now I think it's on ice.
It went from $3 billion to $8.4 billion. Legault took one look at that price increase and spit out a lot more than his coffee. Then perhaps wisely handed the impending disaster to the CDPQ, who when they go over budget at least don't go nearly triple the cost. And you get the first part of the transit line built and more-or-less working in five years.
Quebec City has a major challenge that Toronto does not face, being significant elevation differences between the upper and lower portions. That’s a big hurdle to overcome. In fact, it’s one of the reasons the Eglinton LRT is partly above ground. To go fully underground would require a tunnel well below the Don River and then up the other side again. These trains are not climbers, so the entire line would need a different (more expensive still) engineering design.
Great video. Unfortunately, this is how transit gets built in Toronto. Too much politics, from multiple levels of government, leading to funding challenges and delays, and meanwhile average people who need to get around affordably and efficiently have to make do as best they can while listening to politicians make promises after promises. Eventually, things get built, but by then, it’s years and even decades too late. The Eglinton LRT was needed yesterday.
Good informative video Steve ✅
It's like that old joke - I know that you know that I know that you know, etc. 'nuff said! Keep up the good work 👏 🖖🙏
Yes, please, record a really nerdy video about technical differences👍
Well done, Steve!!!
damn steve that was extremely smooth
Please don’t stop making videos!
This was such a great video. Thank you for making it. You have earned a loyal subscriber; I am glad Ive discovered you before you have blew up for bragging rights.
Clickbait was also on point.
Great work Steve!
1:45 I am just rolling on the floor at this point. This is so Toronto. Now, to be fair, the new mayor Olivia Chow is really frustrated by the delays and the screw-ups by SNC Lavalin and others that’s caused the delays - I’m hopeful she’ll crack the whip and get it open soon - or have an announcement that they’ll have an announcement about the opening date.
i love the editing style, nice video bro
Big nerd here... would love to see more tech vids :-)
Great video sir.
It has been a debacle for sure but regardless, it will be an excellent addition to our public transit network. Unfortunately the pain of building it was inevitable given the lack of foresight and civil planning from decades past leading to cost spiralling and delays. If anything it should be a lesson that public transit should be built sooner, not later.
I worked on the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. I started in March of 2021 and was laid off November 2021.
In the start I was just pulling comm wire station to station and installing this thing called a TRA (I even saw a one in the video but I did not install that one, I did the underground ones not outdoor). Then later on they moved me to pulling 500s in the stations.
Work was okay but the site conditions where terrible. When I was doing the 500s they wanted them done as soon as possible so they offered overtime. We worked 6 days a week 12 hour days. Money was okay I guess.
The company I was working for was a joke, we needed ladders to do some of our work but they did not give us any so we had to bum other contractors ladders. I don't understand how a company can make millions but they cant seem to give the guys working the proper things to do the job right. Its not like a ladder costs a lot of money. I asked for one more then once... but eh why should they get us one, are you kidding me? That's like a thousand dollars! But I guess they can pay me a thousand dollars to just look for ladders to steal off others working on site.
Great video, love it
These new cars had better have amazing annunciators!
It is very nice transit line
Nice video Steve
Doctors say that a baby born today might live long enough to see the Eglinton Crosstown open.
I lost count of the word announcement. This is like watching a baby born and watch it till it grows into a young adult. Great video, but I watch this circus live everyday.
The Crosstown was going to reduce my travel time from Bathurst & Eglinton to Markham & Shappard (1.5 hours in each direction.
)Unfortunately, I could not put off my retirement any further, and so I'll likely never have cause to ride it more than for a quick trip from Bathurst to Yonge (If it opens before I die of old age). Thanks Metrolinx!!!
Meanwhile Go Transit has made Hamilton easier to get to than traversing the City of Toronto.
Steve, you remind me of Joe Scarborough. You deserve to be caricatured by Mike Myers! ❤
It looks great on the road .
Make a video on Finch west LRT
How about the cost of maintaining and frequently replacing the grass landscaping on the above ground sections of track? They wanted to make sure that this project was not only expensive to build, but really expensive to operate too! Genius!
This project is truly reflective of the talents of the people we have elected to the provincial government, especially King Doug. I hope we can do better next time, it would be tough to do worse. I hope.
Nerdy explainer pls, as I don't understand why this LRT isn't just called a streetcar when it looks a lot like the lines on Spadina and St Clair (but in a worse colour).
LRT is a broad classification literally meaning light rail transit. Streetcars (also known as trams or trolleys) are a type of LRT that run in mixed vehicle lanes. The Spadina and St Clair lines really aren't streetcars at all, even though they use the same vehicles.
Eglinton is practically a by product of the cancelled Eglinton West Subway, being downgraded to light rail. With the sections west of Laird practically an actual subway, east of Sunnybrook Park (except at Science Centre) is full on light rail.
To be honest Sunnybrook park station is useless in having to go above after laird and go underground again at Science Centre. Big choke point when it does open and carry more people.
These are practically like those “pre-metro” systems you see in Europe; almost having a metro like service but becomes a tram service in above areas.
unfortunately the line will be under built for its projected ridership, maybe a video on future retrofits that could expand capacity?
It will actually have to open before it can prove whether it's adequate or not 😛
Transit priority? (insert laugh track here) Toronto will likely prioritize the single-occupant auto over the 200+ to 300+ people onboard a light rail train. At intersection, like on streetcar right-of-ways, left turning single-occupant pickup truck move left before transit vehicles. Some cities (not Toronto... for now) use crossing gates at left turn lanes to force left turners to wait till the light rail vehicles passes them.
Also while other cities use transit specific traffic signals, Toronto will likely use regular traffic signals with English verbage signage to add to the clutter. Not good for those who don't read English, and are used to transit specific signal outside of Canada.
To put it into perspective, the Chunnel linking England and France, is 50 kilometres long, 75 metres under the English Channel and only took 6 years to complete. How could Metrolinks messed this up so badly?
"and only took 6 years to complete" And that was with the French "helping"! 🙂
So, we are not going to have an announcement about having announcements and instead announce that we will have more announcements about not having announcements that we pore-announced. That is truly an intentionally obfuscated announcement.
Work on the Eglinton Crosstown LRT began in 2011. Its completion and opening have been delayed several times. It was supposed to have opened in 2020, and you guessed it, COVID-19 was declared a global pandemic by the WHO in March of that year.
Another rail line which work began in 2011 was the Union-Pearson Express, which links Union Station with Pearson Airport, with stations at Bloor Street (adjacent to Dundas West station) and Weston. It had priority (over Eglinton Crosstown), because, you guessed it right the PanAm and ParapanAm Games in Toronto in 2015.
Presiding over these projects was a Venezuelan immigrant named Andres Izquierdo, an engineer.
One of the countries represented at the PanAms and ParapanAms was Venezuela.
Fun fact:
In 2011, Venezuela celebrated its 200th anniversary of independence from Spain (July 5), and president Hugo Chavez returned from cancer treatment.
I wonder if before the Andromeda Galaxy merges, and he sun swells up to its red giant stage ?
Would love a nerdy video
this is a great video 😂
Give us the nerdy video!
Why all the delays with the project millions and millions over budget?
Like other things in life, just follow the money.
So, when will the Eglinton Crosstown FINALLY open?
To quote Zager and Evans:
"In the Year 2525"
Im a hvac contractor the thing that keeping from opening is a fight btw Crosslinx and we trades. We wouldn’t work until paid and Crosslinx say work and we might pay you
It is a shame that projects like this one lack transparency when it comes to explaining the types of problems they are experiencing so people could better understand the delays. Of it it just the inflow of cash that is too slow to allow quick completion of work remaining *as s often the case for govt funded project where they promise $1b but only at $100 per year so project takes 10 million years to complete.
Do the nerdy video! We want you to nerd out to the differences.
d'ya think they'll make an announcement when it's open?
or will they just do it and not tell anyone...
I moved out of Eglinton area in 2016. And theyre still working on it???
Just like the subway in Honolulu, I believe they opened that line in summer 2023
yes to nerdy video please :)
They should built the tracks on the side of road with the lanes of traffic inbetween. Like in Norway.
I wonder what the thinking was behind opting for "semi-self driving" vehicles rather than full automation like the REM in Montreal
Because they have to cross intersections where there may be humans or road vehicles in the way.
@@notsmoothsteve ahhh I see that's the primary difference between EgXtown and REM or SkyTrain... Grade separation 🤔
I believe it when I see it
they certainly announced
So basically the vehicles are already doing test runs every day? Didn't see that last time when I was in the eastern part of Eglinton.
They've been doing testing, on and off, for a couple of years now along at least some of the eastern surface section, and it's been pretty much every weekday for a few months other than a break over the holidays.
Got a notice in the mail recently that they want to try and do the exact same thing in another part of Scarborough with the Eglington East LRT connection. Living here and going to Eglington during construction almost a decade ago I'm utterly against this despite my undying support for better public transport. Something has got to give here. With the level of mismangement for the Crosstown I have no faith that any organization will be able to do this without massive delays, numerous wasted tax payer dollars and what'll amount to being a multi-year construction nightmare for me and other residents in the immediate construction area. Furthermore I can't help but feel a rather sinister aspect to this with this expansion potentially coming at the cost of even more condo development and gentrification to a vulnerable section of the city (numerous public housing projects along the path)
I live in Ottawa, so we got a very delayed but also very rushed system that's half-baked and breaks down regularly. Well done, Ottawa.
I think the Eglinton Crosstown will eventually be life changing for a lot of people across the city, but I hope the debacle of the construction process puts to rest the notion that P3 projects ("public private partnerships") are an efficient or effective way to build necessary infrastructure.
Long live the LRT!!!!! The OG LRT or RT as it was re dubbed.
Show us time lapsed video of LRT running from one end to the other.
Hmmm. A total theme on Scarborough getting shafted. Central and western Toronto gets their train buried, loss of SRT, new Scarb subway routes so watered down. Sheppard line axed. The OG transit plan had so much promise. Yes, it’s transit but left to feel like the proverbial red headed step child on all fronts
I've heard that the delays are so great that the warranty on the vehicles will expire before they enter service. Can anyone confirm this?
Would you say that the underground LRT was a wise choice? What were the alternatives?
I'm not going to comment on the wisdom - that's a topic that would likely stir up arguments and name-calling, and I don't want my comments section to be like that.
I can tell you the rationale they gave for why they did it this way, though. The eastern above-ground section mostly runs through areas that could be characterized as post-war suburbs, where the street is quite wide (usually 3 lanes in each direction) and most buildings are set well back from the street, so there's room to put a dedicated right of way down the middle of the street and not have to deal with the much higher costs of tunnelling and building underground stations (which are also typically a bit farther apart than surface stops, making the line a bit less convenient for users). The section that's below ground mostly runs through older areas where the street is narrower (often 2 lanes per direction) and buildings are much closer to the street, so a dedicated ROW would leave just one lane in each direction on a major arterial road.
I'll never see the LRT in Hamilton, i'll be dead or 99 years old.
I just saw a driver had driven up the track. It's not the only incident. lol
Hopefully it doesn't become a frequent thing, like with people driving down the streetcar tunnel at Harbourfront!
2007 omg I feel so old
Do you think that it will be open this Century??
It will be opened by Christmas. I promise.
And then get closed down again within a week and destroyed.@@MetaView7
I'll wait a few months when the glitches are all worked out!
I am a public transit supporter. A commuter should have a choice to choose their means of transport. As a newbie to Canada, it is saddening to see almost the same level of corruption as some of the countries most immigrants come from. Hopefully it gets done soon so all citizens can make good use of it.
An announcement of an announcement. Sounds like something video game developers and movie studios would do 😑😑😑. Like a trailer of Black Ops 6 just to announce the reveal event which happens 12 days later
Take a drinking shot everytime he says "announce" or "announcements".
Should have hired some tunnel experts from the middle east.
Construction of the first phase of the line began in 2011 .. its 2024 not open yet hahahaha
If they had designed, it for full ATC on the entire line they wouldn't have to worry about the operators having to get out and switch ends! Oh but wait, there is that one intersection that for some reason we are unable to use ATC because it would inconvenience automotive traffic having to obey an ATC signal. Yup, favor the car over the transit. That is the Toronto way!
So if these things exist in Edmonton why was the wrong track laid here?
What they are not telling you about the LRT is that it has over a thousand safety deficiencies and just one can shut the line down. This is how faulty the line is when it was built. Even after it's up and running , I wouldn't be too quick to jump on it right away knowing how many let's just say oversights it has.
Nerdy video please
The above ground stations are not enclosed, contrary to the REM (Montréal). I guess a cost saving measure.
Similar to how the Ottawa o-train is
a great choice for a Canadian city 🙃
I do not think it would be in 2024!
"Several years"...lol! you gotta have a sensayuma if you live in Turranna...