Justin Bieber's Splice Loop Legal Problem!
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Their should be something in Splice that states that any artist using a Splice off their platform cannot sue another artist using the same complete loop.
when you create an account that's the first thing it says...
This Asher Monroe guy is a moron, and if he sues Beiber with his high-octane entertainment lawyers, he will learn that pretty quick.
The issue isn't whether it is "lazy writing" or not. What's really lazy is having attorneys go and sue others who use the same Splice loops that you did, hoping to make a quick buck, without understanding the meaning of royalty-free!
I don’t think you understand.
This exactly!
@@americaworks4202 what doesn’t he understand the argument is basically “be afraid be very very afraid of assholes who sue over something they have no claim to” like wtf! It’s all just fear mongering!
@@americaworks4202 just like Asher doesn't understand he used a royalty free sample
stay away from these loops...and you got nothing to worry about.
Justin isn't the one in trouble, the artist trying to bring suit KNOWING he used a royalty FREE sample is really the problem. A few always mess it up for the many.
This argument makes no sense to me. It’s basically “assholes who don’t understand how splice works might sue you so don’t do it” like wtf. Obviously you shouldn’t just make every song u sample a straight use of the sample if your creative some will be chopped, some interpolated, some straight loops and some original compositions.
Personally I make most of my own loops, sometimes I chop or interpolate.
But once in a while if I use a free to use (or pay to use without paying royalties ect) sample then who the fuck cares? Like this should not even be a debate. I don’t even understand this video. This guy is basically saying let this one little lawsuit scare you into completely changing how you go about making music. If a sample doesn’t need to be changed at all to get the sound you want then why change it?
This should be a simple process. No money required. You should be able to represent yourself. And the court says.
“Does beibers producer have or had a splice subscription?” Yes
“Did he download this sample using one of his credits”? Yes.
Boom case thrown out because he didn’t sample this bitch artists song he got it off splice.
But you know what you shouldn’t even have to do that. The court should just go “who owns this sample”. The answer? The producer who made it who then sold it or it’s licence to splice who now own it and sold it to you for 9.99 a month.
How the fuck can you sue someone for something YOU DO NOT OWN!
If what you guys are saying is true then a class action lawsuit should be taken against splice for false advertising. They claim it is royalty free not “royalty free if you are first”.
i wish i could like this comment twice, it's crazy how some people mind works
How hypocritical you gotta be to know that you just took a loop of a sample pack, kept it unaltered and now you are accusing another producer/artist of stealing your work. Lol.
For real
fr no cap
I feel for the producers especially since HipHop is a sampled based music genre. I think this falls back on Splice. Thanks for the info Jesse.
what splice is saying (i think) is that a Sample, A Full Loop is a Snipper Of Inspiration, in a sense that the sample doesnt MAKE the song, but it inspired the producer to make a beat on it in his way, and inspires the artist to make a song on it, in this case the producer was inspired by the loop and made a beat with it, and justing was inspired by the whole beat that HAS the Loop in it and made a song,
If you use a loop that available for anyone & everyone to use royalty free then that’s exactly what it should forever be & no one should have the legal standing to Sue anyone for doing the exact same thing they did, period!! Artists should know if they wanna copyright something then it has to be THEIRS, not taken from Splice free or for a few royalty free dollars. How embarrassing to behave that way!!! 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Some of those loops come in midi form which i recommend that way you can switch it around those that don't come in midi use cable guys halftime or just chop it up make your own sound
I agree 👍
Lawsuits cost so much money and you can’t claim loops as your own period! Most artist don’t even make enough money off of their songs worth suing for...in the end these idiots claiming loops as their own will cost them way more money then their song is worth. People don’t be scared to use loops..also even if you alter the loops it’s still a loop...
Amen. The more we get "scared off" from using material that ANYONE can use, the worst this is going to get.
Vex E 100%Agree!
Nah. You’re just taking the short route. Tell it how it is.
People who received something for free should not be expecting a payout for it.
You're cool for sharing this. People need to dig deeper on real creative ideas in music. Learn how play your instruments. One shots or deconstruction loops is okay. Thx!
Well said Will, totally agree
Splice need to change their terms and conditions, there might even be a case of splice users to sue splice, it’s actually disappointing splice did not think about this as a company and there solicitor missed this scenario when drafting terms and conditions.. A clause that indicates that user cannot sue other users that use the same sample,
It Is Not Just The Sample Loop Its The Vocal Melody and Cadence
Exactly! Same thing I said!
Its really strange how the vocals sounded so alike. Its like that loop makes people sing in that kinda style.
If a sample is memorable and is melodic in its inherent nature, it definitely is not an inspiration - the intent of its creation is to be used in production purposes, so for Splice to call those specific loops snippets of inspiration is incorrect. Look, if you need a loop to make your track work, just find a loop you like, listen to it, and then LEARN how to recreate a loop similar to that, using your own tools. This way, you killed two birds with one stone - you have a loop for your track's needs, and you have acquired one or several new skills in composition or sound design.
Great points and suggestions Jure!
This takes me back to high school, when I took an electronic music class. A friend wanted to use a particular synth loop. I brought the bootleg ACID disc to class, but we struggled to get the loop to stretch properly in Logic without the ACID metadata.
The teacher walked up like _Silly rabbits, loops are for chumps. You've got a fancy keyboard and expensive virtual synths on your desk. Just remake the damn thing!_ So he did that, and it came out pretty nice.
Another classmate came back from Thanksgiving break with his final project: an epic "Fur Elise" trance mix which his producer cousin "helped" him create. The teacher was not amused. 😆
The same drum loops/ breaks/ melodies have been used to create some of the biggest hip hop/r&b jams ..i.e Portraits "here we go", Digital Undergrounds humpty hump dance, and Aaron Halls "don't be afraid" all use the same drums. The songs all groove the same but are different in so many ways and do not sound alike. There's no point to knocking producers that use samples.
That's exactly how I do
This argument makes no sense to me. It’s basically “assholes who don’t understand how splice works might sue you so don’t do it” like wtf. Obviously you shouldn’t just make every song u sample a straight use of the sample if your creative some will be chopped, some interpolated, some straight loops and some original compositions.
Personally I make most of my own loops, sometimes I chop or interpolate.
But once in a while if I use a free to use (or pay to use without paying royalties ect) sample then who the fuck cares? Like this should not even be a debate. I don’t even understand this video. This guy is basically saying let this one little lawsuit scare you into completely changing how you go about making music. If a sample doesn’t need to be changed at all to get the sound you want then why change it?
This should be a simple process. No money required. You should be able to represent yourself. And the court says.
“Does beibers producer have or had a splice subscription?” Yes
“Did he download this sample using one of his credits”? Yes.
Boom case thrown out because he didn’t sample this bitch artists song he got it off splice.
But you know what you shouldn’t even have to do that. The court should just go “who owns this sample”. The answer? The producer who made it who then sold it or it’s licence to splice who now own it and sold it to you for 9.99 a month.
How the fuck can you sue someone for something YOU DO NOT OWN!
If what you guys are saying is true then a class action lawsuit should be taken against splice for false advertising. They claim it is royalty free not “royalty free if you are first”.
Producers gotta go CHOP SHOP on these loops. That's where the creativity comes in. Gotta flip 'em, Bro!
You bought the access to the sample. You shouldn’t have to do shit to it. Money hungry losers trying to put their hand in your pocket
this is probably the best solution
There is no risks at all, it's royalty free and we hear it everyday in a lot of songs
Splice needs to include a piece in the user agreement that says, “producers using loops and artists using beats containing loops from splice may not claim copyright infringement on the basis of a sound provided by splice.” Not sure if that leaves any legal holes or not but there’s gotta be a way to write that in. Maybe, “loops provided by splice are available for commercial use to all good standing splice users and therefore all good standing users enter into a legal agreement not to sue for copyright over projects containing shared splice content”
“Signing this user agreement enters you into a binding agreement with all other good standing users not to sue for copyright infringement over projects containing shared splice loops”
The truth is as a Producer we can't deny that working with loops and samples is a Game changer but lets try to resample, change pitch and alter even if its just a semi tone up or down it could swerve the artist from trouble...
I am not an expert but can you get rid of trouble only changing 1 semi tone ? Hmm not sure about it, let me know if there is a source on this.. it is really interesting topic btw
@@johnnythekewl Sorry for the late response but altering a sound by a semi tone up or down is definitely a game changer!!!
Weird how similar the vocal melodies are. This is a situation where PRO’s will not pay anyone; if they can’t find he exact owner and if its from splice or construction kits; they wont pay royalties to anyone.
Which will inevitably spark a legal fight between the 2 (or 3 producers) all fighting for the royalties.
Sync My Music yep, indeed
See now that is the only true point anyone in this whole video comment thread has had.
The sample shouldn’t even be up for debate they have NO CASE IT’S FUCKING ROYALTY FREE!
Should the animals be allowed to sue every single person that does their own version of the 150 year old song house of the rising son just because they covered it first? FUCK NO that shit is public domain just like how these loops are FREE AND YOU GET TO KEEP YOUR ROYALTIES!!!
How do you view drum loops on splice that have no melody or no signature sound but its a loop of kick and snare and hi hat for instance in a rock pattern, or swing pattern, or hip hop, etc. how often do people make copyright claims on a pattern?
There needs to be something put in play in order for someone to be able to use loops and not run into this issue. Sound is sound, it’s a fun starting point and a quick way to gain inspiration and let a vocalist do their thing. There are no rules in music but there sure as hell are laws and regulations in the music industry. It’s funny how Laxcity could care less about the use of the loop, though what I find the most interesting is you stated Laxcity had used this loop for his own song. Some digging would have to be done though if he registered that song with that same loop then he’d been the first person to own the copyright to it. So how is it that the third release (that we know of) Asher Monroe could claim he is the owner? Leading to another interesting point, this is a first come first serve basis. Whoever is the first person to copyright their music (since on ASCAP/BMI, SongTrust, Sound Exchange, etc) all have time stamps on it, can claim a royalty free loop as their own. To be honest, and I’d love to get your opinion - a solution would be for anyone giving out samples/loops to also include their BMI/ACAP IPI (May have the wrong acronym) and they can give them 5%, 10%, 15% + etc. This is almost comical because Laxcity is the originator, he created this and doesn’t care at all about what’s going on. Then you have this guy looking for a quick win like come on man, ridiculous. Whoever created the sample/loop in the first place should have the final say and a solution to this would be they simply register the creator along with the song, everyone gets paid and no one runs into legal issues. What do you guys think? 5%-30% seems pretty fair to me if you’re using a loop and everyone involved wins.
Very good point, Mark. If sample is recognizable by major part of audience, the sample creator have to be credited.
Next, if the record becomes big, I'd suggest some formula to count the royalties, e.g. Track lenght / recognizable sample lenght / number of creators involved in songwriting and production. If sound engeneer have made any creative decisions in the mix, then he also counts as a part in creative process.
You guys are describing tracklib pretty well.
You CANNOT copyright any royalty free loop you use from splice. You can only copyright the composition you create using the loop in whatever capacity... and if you don't like using splice or samples.. then don't.. knocking people that do is a waste of time.
I'm not knocking anyone here (other than perhaps the artists that are throwing these garbage legal demands around). You're right - you can only CR the entire composition you create WITH the loop included - but that's not stopping these C&D's from being sent out (and wasting people's time & energy). At the end of the day, we are each responsible for our own actions and how we use loops - I'm just reporting the facts.
very good points in the video, now there is another way to see it, lets hope there will be many cases in law for this kind of free samples or loops and maybe courts will be fed up and oblige sites like splice to mention that noone can sue for royalty free loops. It is a waste of money and time for useless cases tbh
Great podcast on not using some Particular Loops without Altering it. And oneshots, some loops sound really great to create an entire track around it, but as a music producer ,what i do is do my best to create an entire new feel around that loop and hope that it is royalty free, and its not sort of a setup to be in lawsuits, smh.., i like loops and depending on the kind of loop, no melodies loops, if i use a melody loop i want change it by adding more feel to the melody with a different instrument that flows with it and altering the key. To avoid all of the hassle ,if any, create our OWN MELODIES BY LAYING HAND THE KEYS AND CREATE SOMETHING THATS CATCHY FROM SCATCH. Thx Jesse greaT INFO!!!
Yea but layering over a melody is still sampling. You’re not making anything from scratch either.
Not only the Melody but all of thes songs sounds the same down to the Lyrics. Even in a different language lol. What are the odds of that happening?
Continued Sage advice brother. Funny that all these artists, and ESPECIALLY for a creative team like Beibers , that they kinda got lazy and just used a straight loop for the beef of the track as opposed to diversifying it knowing that anyone IN THE ENTIRE WORLD can use the same stock sample. Puzzled on that move.
Many times the artist has no clue where the producer is getting his/her samples/loops from (this story might inspire some artists to put some "quality control" tactics in place). The artist just listens to a bunch of pitched tracks, select the ones they like, and then start writing to them.
oh im sure, especially the "super star " artists, do it that way (sorting through whatever is presented to them), but def shame on whomever wasn't managing that Q.C. ! completely unrelated side note, I never knew what a killer drummer beiber is, saw him doing a skit with Questlove on Jimmy Fallon and was really impressed
FOR ME, WHEN IT COMES TO USEING SPLICE SAMPLES, USE THE ONE SHOTS WEATHER IT'S DRUMS (KICK, SNARE, HI HAT & PERCUSSIONS & EVEN A SINGLE BASS NOTE, IF YOU'RE THAT CREATIVE FROM THEIR CATALOG, TAKE PARTS OF THE LOOP (CHOP UP THE LOOP) & FLIP IT DIFFERENTLY & MAKE YOUR OWN STYLE FROM ALL THE OTHER PRODUCERS & STAND OUT FROM THE COMPITITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What’s the point of paying a monthly subscription fee for splice if you might run into problems like this, when a producer uses a loop from splice without flipping it he should know that there’s a chance of someone else using the same loop
exactly that its the chance you take and there is nothing anyone can do about it
Haha, love the tip at the end. No kidding. Just learn how to write melodies on your own. It's wild how similar all three tracks sound.
they're literary all the same, just a mastering difference haha
Or Learn To Flip Loops
This argument makes no sense to me. It’s basically “assholes who don’t understand how splice works might sue you so don’t do it” like wtf. Obviously you shouldn’t just make every song u sample a straight use of the sample if your creative some will be chopped, some interpolated, some straight loops and some original compositions.
Personally I make most of my own loops, sometimes I chop or interpolate.
But once in a while if I use a free to use (or pay to use without paying royalties ect) sample then who the fuck cares? Like this should not even be a debate. I don’t even understand this video. This guy is basically saying let this one little lawsuit scare you into completely changing how you go about making music. If a sample doesn’t need to be changed at all to get the sound you want then why change it?
This should be a simple process. No money required. You should be able to represent yourself. And the court says.
“Does beibers producer have or had a splice subscription?” Yes
“Did he download this sample using one of his credits”? Yes.
Boom case thrown out because he didn’t sample this bitch artists song he got it off splice.
But you know what you shouldn’t even have to do that. The court should just go “who owns this sample”. The answer? The producer who made it who then sold it or it’s licence to splice who now own it and sold it to you for 9.99 a month.
How the fuck can you sue someone for something YOU DO NOT OWN!
If what you guys are saying is true then a class action lawsuit should be taken against splice for false advertising. They claim it is royalty free not “royalty free if you are first”.
dude if someone puts a loop on splice he's giving away the rights of copyright UNLESS he writes that any song that uses the loop he deserves royalites
just listened to the song, and the Loop isnt the problem cause the beat is different, the flow of justins song is the same,
the same rhymes were being used in the verse, and kind of the same flow
Does this apply to drum loops as well? I've just used a drum loop recently. but I would never use a loop on melody. That's absolutely insane.. Thanks for this video, just appeared on my recommended at the right time. Good to know...
Drum loops aren't memorable and don't stand out. This only applies to melodic loops.
Play the damn loops already.!!
So happy I came across this. Thanks for your honesty/heads up 💯
Glad you found the channel! Welcome!
@@SyncMyMusic Thanks 🙏 I'm just getting into composing for TV and Film but I'm honest enough to admit my ignorance to sampling and publishing because of RUclipsrs I had to stop watching because of their cloudy " creative perspective" about sampling instead of a business perspective. Thanks again. Now I'm binge watching your videos to learn 😂
Funny the name of the loop is good morning clone. I always was hesitant to use samples here and not chop and flip them. I like to make them almost unrecognizable when i use splice.
A WHOLENOTHER PROBLEM is that that loop is very close to being just an arpeggio, and u cant copyrihgt a chord progression. and an arpeggio is just a chord proegression played out in step like fashion. If u really could copyrigth an arpeggio so many rock artists would have never been aloud ot exist consider how many arpeggios are literally copied from others
This is the whole reason why PRO's will not acknowledge Tunesat as proof of a placements. There are too many false positive hits, due to pre-canned melodies and drum loops.
Well there is more then a hundred older artist that actually played their music and still they all come out with similar style and melodies and that’s with actual playing of instruments. It’s bound to happen you only have so many notes and variations to go with.
I guess....Once someone uses it and actually registers that song, I don’t see how anyone could legally use it. Unless of course they mangled it beyond recognition.
u cant register a song that contain a sample that is already OWNED by somebody - gosh how can ppl be this stupid
That's crazy you've been talking about all of this & now here it is!
And it's been here for a few years.
Hey
I have a doubt it will great if u could help me with that
Can I make and sell a song just by using GarageBand loops?
I’m just starting as a music producer
It's the same issue. Might be already copyrighted by someone who used it before you.
Don't get caught up in fake news ( Remember Iggy I. and the list goes on ) ... same stuff different day. Also that melody has been used thousands of times just like many others before it ( as it is being downloaded as we speak). Unless you made money then there is no money to be made in a lawsuit. I agree with you on how to properly handle a sample "if" you were to find yourself using one but best bet is to "create your own" .
That's exactly the issue. If you use a pre-made melodic Splice loop and make money from Sync Fees & Royalties then another artist could demand you pay all proceeds to them. This is what is happening to the Library Owner I interviewed on my channel.
There appears to be no legal problem as Laxcity doesn't seem to intend to sue. Lazy writing? Yeah, maybe. We all should try to stay away from melodic loops anyway, bury them deep in the mix and/or always throw another melody as counterpoint.
Just because there is a lawsuit it doesnt mean that he won, if he did I didnt know about it. Anytime there is a hit there is always a lawsuit, it just happens, it doesnt mean that they won or will win. Anyone can file for a lawsuit and have the court proceed with the lawsuit or throw the case out all together. It doesnt actually mean that there is anything wrong with sampling from a sample broker, and not altering any of the sounds. Justin isnt taking that L. I can bet on it.
Hey how its going, any news about this case? :)
What about samples like a kick,hats,claps, uplifters,downlifters,fills? Not loops but one shots,,i cannot use those? Or i can?
Those are usually safer than melodic loops.
Hi, thank you for great content! What do you think about drum loops in certain plugins? Drum loops in Nexus for example, are those ok to use in our projects? Thanks.
Drum sounds/loops usually don't attract these kinds of legal problems. It's mostly recognizable melodic or vocal loops.
What about TrackLib by comparison?
I don't think this would have clout its juts a cash grab and intermediation tactic for money. if u purchase it it's yours to do as u like the disclaimer saids that & royalty-free clause is stipulated by law splice would be liable not the producer. Fear-mongering at its best.
Okay! So thank you for this. I just got off the phone with a distributor who was advising me against using a loop because of the strike headache. He suggested that I get the melody remade by a guitarist, im going to go this route and have him use the same chords and change any Melodies in the original. I also use this as a base then add my own Melodies on top. Hopefully this should work?
Can this same thing happen with Tracklib?
By the way none of these sites including splice, say anything about altering their loops. so this is legal or not?????
Bro! This was AWESOME! Thanks Man!
What's the difference between a one-shot sample and a note you play on a keyboard VSTi that is sample based ?
Not much. That's why I would stick to using either of those.
it happened to me two days ago with a sample that I had taken from splice, I opened a dispute to you tube explaining that the sample is royaty free, I hope that it will be resolved.
So sorry to hear that. Hope it resolves quickly!!
No, neither JB, nor his legal team will have trouble. In fact i hope he gets sued so this creates a precedent for these cases in special. To frame it like 0:32 is a joke tho.
its OK to be aware of possible issues. its imo not OK to frame and go full panic mode.
as you mentioned in your initial video, this will not hold in courts. its an annoyance for indie artists though.
I can only assume you've never been sent a C&D before (even if frivolous). It can take significant time, money & energy away from you and your team. I'm not going "panic mode" - I'm simply trying to help my subscribers avoid problems like this in their future careers.
Most artists are indie artists, so most artists cannot afford this b.s. annoyance.
So the just make original content. Problem solved.
These kinda cases not gonna go no where. When the courts looking at it
I agree. They can still drain you of time, energy and money.
Thank you ! that was very informative.
you shouldn't be scared going to court, you can simply represent yourself and pay no dime, tell the court the truth and sit back and let them prove you wrong and and when you win, claim damages etc
Have fun wasting your time doing that.
So... is it OK to use drum loops ? We just have to avoid melodic loops ?
With AI music coming online now, I would stay away from them. Try to program everything to make your tracks unique to YOU!
@@SyncMyMusic thanks for the answer. But why do we have to stay away from drum loops (with no instruments in it) because of AI ? I dont get it (Sorry english is not my mothertongue). Because of an "ethic" perspective ? Or because AI Will detect drum samples loops ?
@@Cunegonde_the_one_and_only programing your own drums is just superior. better to find single one shot or singular drum hits and making your own drum patterns so that you can develop your own personal skills and style.
@@SyncMyMusic that's what i do tbh and i sound design all my kicks and snares from kick 2 and or Operator or serum aka super nerd shit tbh no cap
how much does splice pay you for your samples downloaded?
No....
How are you going to sue someone for using the same loop you are using from the same website.
How does a woman sue Mcdonalds for burning herself with hot coffee? We like to sue for everything!
@@SyncMyMusic - she said the coffee was too hot 😂😂. But in this situation it’s going to be hard to win this sue against Bieber because they used a sample aka loop that’s royalty free and it clearly states that on splice website. Yes you sue for anything BUT that doesn’t mean they are going to win or hell even has enough evidence to take it to court. Heck even a lawyer had to see if he/she has a case anyway.
lol @ asher monroe for trying to pretend that wasn't a splice sample
Splice and loopcloud Is not first come first served no point artists and Dj s getting lemon about it they know if they use a sample/loop that anybody else can use the same loop as long as its been purchased legally via loopcloud or splice otherwise whats the point of these sample sites it would be laughed out of any court so keep being lazy and fill your boots looping your tracks up
I don't think its the sample, its more of the vocal melody that hasn't really changed but. the lyric and the language did. But to be honest I like all of them. They the artist or somebody should do a mash up colab of the song.
they need to have to where when someone gets that loop and copywrites it, now it gets removed from splice and is no longer available for use.
bro laxcity is amazing his music is beautiful
Ok listen,samples of songs have always been used in the industry and samples need to get cleared. Ice cubes "today is a good Day" was sampled from the Isley Brothers it had to be cleared but,he "Ice Cube can't claim ownership unless someone stole his lyrics because he did not create the sample. Splice need to have something to allow people to use it but,can't claim ownership because they put a song out with a loop they did not create. What of it wasn't royalty free and you had to pay to get it cleared? Many people wouldn't use them if they had to come out their pocket and give ownership to the original person who created the loop.
I'd argue more like Bieber and producers ripped off the other guys style by the how close the vocal similarities and effects are.
I heard you fill in a form and that protects you before you release it.
Well, the only one who benefitted from this drama is YUMDDA. He got exposure, because of others lawsuits clownery
*who?*
Funny thing is, often times the artist has no clue as to where any samples come from.
great video! thank you
thank you God for bringing me this video! Awesome content.
thanks for sharing this info !
Let’s be real. Most of us will never have a song successful enough for anyone to come after us for using the same sample, so it doesn’t really matter.
Not with that attitude you won't 😉
ALL The beat selling platforms should have a "Shazam app" type feature. When you upload a beat to sell to artists, it runs through the list of registered music to prevent this. I think Beatstars has this feature. I might be late.., and they all might have them by now.
Thank you
The Only Solution i See Is The Same Thing Like When You Sell Beats Like On Beat stars They Are Going To Have To Start Offering Exclusive Rights To Their Kids Like When You Sell a Beat
I cant bring myself to even purchase loop packs. I love drums but not loops. Feels like cheating to me. Just my opinion. Seems like these packs are put there for this exact reason.
Don't see any problem,3 different songs of 1 sample!And laxity is the only one writer and owner of the sample and has an agreement with Splice so.....Just a few crappy artist wanna make money out of justin biebers wealth!Its not because somebody, use a sample earlier then anyone from the same sample provider(Splice)that makes the sample or loop exclusive for him/her to use only in his song/track!!!!
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Thanks Jesse.
But what is the outcome of this , they can't really sue beieber or biebers producer cause they both using a royalty free sample and anybody can use that right ?
You can sue anyone for virtually anything. It's not likely the lawsuit would be successful, but the point is you don't want to get caught up in time wasting crap like this.
Sure it will be a time waste to actually let them know that they don't owe you anything as these kind of loops are made for people only. Its just that its justin bieber so ya they might wanna try doing this cause he big. But they won't get anything other than attention.
Does every sample on splice actually make a piece of music qualify as a "derivative work"?
Good question! You'd need to ask a lawyer that.
As a producer or beat maker it is up to you to actually add some creativity and flavor to the loop by altering it and making it your own. The loop should just help kickstart the beat. it's for when you lack inspiration. If you are going to make beats with loops that everyone is using learn how alter that beat in pitch, tone, BPM, filters, eqs, reverse, reverb, chops etc. You shouldn't use the raw loop like that. C'mon beat makers and producers stop being lazy!!!
John Fulford said libraries won’t even accept any tracks with samples, is that true?
Not unauthorized samples, no (previously released artist music, etc.) but you you can use "samples" from loop/sample sites.
Sync My Music good to know. Makes sense. Thanks man
Where You Go I Follow ...
Lmaoo i just used a song with a full loop its a absolute banger but someone is trying to copyright claim is and the song isn’t even on the internet anymore !! 😤
well it a good thing i make a lot lot of my stuff tbvh no cap
This dude must be some type of legal wiz to not get copyright stricken for including all these songs in the video lol
I don't monetize any of my videos so when I feature copyrighted music, the owners just simply make a copyright claim on my video. No strikes.
Well said. 👊🏼
What about vocals chops? From a rapper. Like two-three words per chop.
It's risky, but as long as you're altering them significantly you'll have better odds of avoiding legal issues.
@@SyncMyMusic thank you very much!
They all seem to have come up with the same vocal melody with the loop.
I know this is a little old ,but I appreciate the info bro, new subscriber. 👍🏿😎
Still super relevant info though. Welcome!
It’s just about who does it better, I think it allows everyone to make some kind of money. Think about all the small town bars that are booking local kids making music just like Justin beiber, they need entertainment too lol
When it comes to bedroom song makers such as myself,beatmakers whatever you have put on those surgical glove and go to work when it comes to creation of tracks splice is ok but problematic when the world has access to the same library its like a book you check out with the same title? Its crazy illogical platform just create your own and stop bieng Lazy with stuff already to go like frozen dinners! Its sad bro!
Splice is fn up. They didnt thoroughly think thru their business model. Or maybe they did & jus said "f not our problem, let's git dat loot" ...well it's gonna be their problem, 1 way or another. Again, as pointed out by a few already, splice is fn up here.
I'm sure the producer who used the full loop was not the first person to download the loop. I'm sure that could be proved in a court.
I'm sure you're right. The question is - do you want to be tied up in court over this kind of stuff? I certainly don't.
I've used a lot of loops and it is all pretty legal to do so. I have no sonic branding. I don't care to sonically brand.
they're royalty free sounds. None of this gets to court and wins.
You missed my point. You're RIGHT that it's all legal and none of these lawsuits will likely ever win, but having to deal with a frivolous lawsuit can still drain you of energy, time and money.
@@SyncMyMusic whenever I’m working for Justin Bieber or someone worth suing, I’ll consider it
But these loops are meant to be used as is and being of scared of doing so is letting the other guys win.
@@calivali2876 Have at it!
the whole point of splice is that you pay for the royalties to those loops. even if u dont change them, u cannot be sued. its a different story for looperman, however.
In America you can be sued for anything (even legal activities). I'm not saying the lawsuits are legit, but they DO exist and they Do get thrown at Sync producers.
What's the deal with looperman
@@pezlo9561 its like a free version of splice. more risk involved but doesnt mean u cant use. just try to flip those samples instead of using them raw
@@isthatvento i have used raw from looperman and as long as you contact that person or persons behind the sample and work something out i don't see nothing wrong maybe they want a 50/50 split or maybe they want credit thats why i always ask just don't go use it and go ghost