Fascinating. The vocabulary and dialogue seems to be at a much higher level than current debates. These men were all born before television, and grew up reading and living in a society less given to endless distraction. There's far less interruption, and a more concerted effort to convey broad ideas, and there's the patience to listen to long-form arguments. Fun to listen to Douglas' Scottish accent in a national debate.
Begs the question if Democracy works when debates become more like punchlines. Fueled by television's focus on soundbytes and people's lack of attention. Can voters even make educated votes or are we choosing our Prime Minister like the winner of the Teen Choice Award.
The vocabulary, dialogue and also their accents as well are something different. I've noticed that older Canadians tend to emphasize the pronunciation of the letter "T". Compared to today when people seem to replace it with a "D" sound. Like "ba-tt-ery" as opposed to "ba-dd-ery". It's a small but noticeable thing.
I remember that election. As a teenager I was already a “political junkie”. I also remember that we spoke more slowly and softly, and catch phrases were comparatively rare. Considerably older now, I recently realized I’m reverting to those speech patterns and vocabulary. It’s remarkable how much that irritates people, some even of my generation. “Hurry up, cut to the chase; quit wasting my time.” Oh dear, oh dear.
Fascinating to see a politician from pre-Quiet Revolution Quebec, a hard line Catholic. His fellows haven't held real power in 50 years. A glimpse into the past.
I would jump behind a revival of that sort of Quebec politics _so fast._ IMO that's what we need right now, and a very authentic and organic expression of Quebecois and Canadian national identity.
That was because in 1963 when Real Caouette became leader, the federal Social Credit party split into a western wing and a Quebec wing. The split happened because the most influential Social Credit leader at the time, Alberta Premier Ernest Manning encouraged western Social Credit MP's and politicians to defect to the P.C.'s while encouraging Anglo Social Credit voters to vote P.C.. His reason was that English Canadians would never vote for a Francophone leader. The Social Credit party reunited in 1971, however, by then the damage had been done, and it was now just a Quebec rump. Why Ernest Manning did this is unknown, however, Pierre Trudeau did make him a Senator in 1970. Anyhow, after saying that in 1968 the federal Social Credit Party only had seats in Quebec, not in any other province even if they were running candidates in them.
Wow. Here we are in 2023 and we have all the same issues as in 1968. 55 years ago. Our prime minister now is Justin Trudeau.The debates, however, were civilized and business like with a true discussion on how to be fair to all Canadians. Wanting solutions to poverty and low income. Minds coming together with true unbiased reporting.
Dalton Camp (Conservative Party President) and Stanfield met after the convention and Camp said, "we're not gonna beat this guy (Trudeau)." Stanfield was just going through the motions and it's a bit obvious the moment he speaks.
I believe that. The Conservatives were in a mess in 1968 with a massive rift between the Camp-Stanfield camp and the Diefenbaker crowd. Diefenbaker did not rally support behind Stanfield, and was delighted to see him lose to Trudeau.
I'm enjoying watching this. Politics with politeness. Questions being answered not evaded. Respect for each other. We need to return to this kind of civility. Wonderful.
Stanfield was a cardboard cutout, by then the P.C.'s were liberal lite anyway. I would say that if Real Caouette had won, then you'd be correct. I have a copy I bookmarked of his speech to the Empire Club of Toronto in 1972, he was a federalist, NOT a separatist, and was a de-centralist, NOT a statist, and wanted all provinces to be treated equally and have jurisdiction over their own affairs.
I remember being 7 years old in 1968 and everyone thought Stafield was an old fart. Then his football kick gaff at the Grey Cup. And Trudeau was much more hip. This is just after Expo 67 and the older generations were out dated. If only Justin had half of Pierres intellect and comprehension of things Cheers from Montreal
You weren't squirming when he said companies would have to make their case to the government if they want to raise their prices? He was a real socialist. An Old school socialist, not what passes as socialism today. He wanted direct state control of business.
Why would I squirm at the notion of a democratically elected government controlling Prices to make life more affordable and enjoyable for Canadians as opposed to the alternative where tyrannical corporations and their oligarchic executives take control of the country and crush Canadians with high prices just so those few few elites can live in lavish mansions?
@@timmiestabrnak Because price controls don't work, you economic illiterate. Do you like shortages? Prices go up because the government prints money anyway. Why not fight the root cause?
Very interesting views expressed here. Tommy Douglas is a true socialist and his views contrast strongly against those of Thomas Mulcair in our recent election. Excellent audio and video quality, which makes this debate easier to relate to- it could have happened last month.
+Bradley Comis that must have been on 1" videotape. Those machines are very very rare and the remaining ones require constant maint. I agree. Very high quality. I was almost 2 yrs. old when this event took place.
Any of Trudeau Sr, Stanfield or Douglas would be a major improvement on the party leaders we have today. Trudeau Jr. is a flake, Pollievre is a weasel, and Singh is a good guy but doesn't have any real leadership qualities.
4 of the 8 NDP leaders were not members of parliament when they became leader (Tommy Douglas wasn't in the house for the first 14 months of his leadership).
Hard to believe that debate was 50 years ago. I wasn’t aware there was a TV debate in 1968, and in colour as well. I was born that year. A window in time. Thanks for uploading this important piece of Canadian political history.
I was born in 1968 and I saw this for the first time in 2018. What happened?! How did ‘we’ descend from that to this-from Pierre, and Tommy, and Bob, to Justin, and Doug, and ‘The Donald’?! These men were principled; they had gravitas. They were well-spoken, well-intentioned, well-disposed, well-scrubbed, courteous, personable, cogent, reasonable people-just like those they purportedly represented. I watched the entire debate: when do the politicians come on?
my guess is because there was a dedicated time for him because his party was only running in Quebec. So they wanted to give the leaders who were running in the entire country more time. That is my best guess anyway.
The regular Social Credit candidates were also running in the west too, but the party had this weird split in the mid 1960's, with the new exclusive Quebec one, and the regular So-creds, the revised movement in Quebec elected a lot more candidates than the traditional one in the West.
Yes, the party was split between 1963 and 1972. The western Socreds were wiped out in 1968, and the last of the Quebec Créditistes were defeated in 1980.
43 minutes in. The question on campaign donations. This is the main ingredient in keeping Canada away from a US copy and paste. 50 years later... Conservatives and Libs have no intention of electoral reform.
Jonathan Allen Yes, actually, this debate is bilingual. I should have asked about where I could find the 'unedited' version, because right now, the french part of it between Mr.Trudeau and Mr.Caouette are masked by the CBC translator. It's no big deal honestly.
It is rather sad how many of the issues raised are no different today, metal health not being covered by healthcare being one example. It is nice seeing leaders actually talking about issues, rather than just saying something bad about one of the opponents and giving vague two sentence solutions to problems. I think Trudeau's statement about responsible government requiring the exchange of ideas and debate between those who rule and those who do not. Something we've lacked for 10 years.
thank you soo much for posting this. as a history buff and someone getting increasingly more interested in Canadian politics/history this is pure gold to see Pierre Trudeau and Tommy Douglas politely spar along with the leader of the Progressive Conservatives and Social Credit. wow the discourse, the exchange of idea, the right to convey the ideas, and even the fact much of the conservation is how to improve government and what is can deliver shows how much we've shifted to the right in which we really have two rival oligarch parties and a fake socialist or controlled opposition left party now. Sad though that Tommy Douglas who i'd of voted for was a homophobe who thought LGBT folk suffered from mental illness. but then again despite the rhetoric Douglas said about NATO, he was infact a social imperialist abroad. thank for posting this!
That was the view of the scientific community, which Tommy was supportive of the scientific method, I am sure once it was removed from the DSM he adjusted his view. He speaks of compassion for us LGBTQ types and that is enough for me. He not the pandering virtue signalling politicians we get now.
@@brettcorby3917 interesting! what was Douglas's track record towards Indigenous and Black people when he was Premier of Saskatchewan I do believe? I know he's most famous for championing Medicare for all but curious what were his policies regarding Indigenous and black Canadians?
In those days, liberalism was in a flux - the old and new left. Douglas, a Christian and an ordained minister, would have been part of the old left, favouring only racial and economic equality, but opposed LGBTs and abortion rights. Other old left politicians, like Reagan, went even further all the way to the right.
@@broadstreet21 very true! Douglas was also a Christian Zionist and big supporter sadly of Israel. But given the NDP base he would've been pushed to be socially liberal and tolerant while advocating for worker's rights and social democracy. Funny how the Liberal Party always a broad church and rival oligarch party, a compassionate conservative/One Nation Tory party, they've really pivoted to the right since Trudeau and the Conservatives becoming worst of both worlds with fiscal conservativism and playing footsy with social reactionary social conservativism ,
@1+1 hosted by Youri Smouter (sometimes Yuri) What's so sad about Douglas' support for Israel? But yes, these were interesting times. It's worth noting before Trudeau, the Liberals weren't known for being an activist party, save for Wilfred Laurier's campaign for personal liberty. They did implement a welfare state solely out of necessity in WWII or to cooperate with the NDP in the 60s. But they were Canada's naturally governing party because they closed ranks, left personal differences at the door, and slowly worked to accommodate everyone, while pursuing no big agenda. The conservatives, SoCreds, and NDP existed to do that. Trudeau getting elected leader was effectively the NDP taking over the Liberals, as he had been a CCP member who joined the Liberals solely on electability concerns. But had it been Hellyer getting elected leader in 68, it would be like the PCs taking over the Liberals.
Trudeau couldn't fix the housing crisis in 1968, and Trudeau Jr. couldn't fix the housing crisis now in over 50 years later. Welcome to Canada everyone!
"I think before talking about raising taxes or lowering taxes the first thing to do is have a fair and equitable and just taxation system and I say to Mr. Trudeau that you can't talk about a just society unless he's prepared to committing himself to a just tax structure in this country." Make it plain, Tommy, make it plain!
The two people responsible for the worst things that have happened in our country so far. - The re-writing of the Charter of Rights to include the fatal Section 1 that completely nullifies all human rights in Canada. - Making Healthcare illegal in Canada.
Statesmen like Douglas, Stanfield,and numerous others that was Canada. Trudeau was considered a maverick and according to popular thought at the time he was thought to bring a new reality to a modern Canada. Well 50 years later, we're in worse economic,social and political condition than we were in 1968. Trudeau talks a lot of noise,BUT after his regime and now his son is running things (into the ground) we're going to be back in the Early "Dirty Thirties". The more things change,the more they stay the same. With hand held technology nobody bothers to do research,study, or listen to debate. This is why our civilization is doomed, we're becoming irresponsible and unable to lead a concerted effort.
@PatchesRips If we are richer, why have tent cities sprung up in every city? If we have more personal property it's because it's being paid for with debt.
@@micheleemcdaniel389 well actually half a million Canadians below international poverty line is no longer true, its about a quarter million now, and country's population is near 5x. So statistically a huge improvement on that front.
@@Corbiel 'International poverty line'? I'm talking about Canadians no longer being able to afford housing. Affordable housing was once a Canadian's birthright. That is no longer the case.
1968 was the first televised Canadian federal election debate. Growing television ownership among Canadians, as well as the landmark first US presidential debates of 1960, spurred the major networks to follow suit. There were no debates in 1980 because the Liberals refused to participate; they wanted to keep Trudeau's arrogance as far away from the TV screen as possible.
Mmm, coming from a conservative, it would be very interesting if Stanfield somehow won. The big argument is how on earth could he win? Lack of charisma notwithstanding, he was an underwhelming leader with few new and inspiring ideas. Had Stanfield won, he effectively would have carried on the Pearsonian ideals of stability and balance - for two years maximum. Quebec separatism would have exploded, he would lack any credibility to maintain national unity. And Canada might have folded. Diefenbaker might have had a better chance to maintain national unity, he was a much stronger leader, despite his lack of French. Had he been PM from 1957 up until this election (and won), many Quebecers would have turned their focus away from French vs. English sentiments - Diefenbaker adroitly cast himself as not British or French. That could have been a stepping stone out of separatism.
Makes you wonder what would have happened if the previous PC leader, John Diefenbaker had stepped down after his government was voted out of office, like he should have done. Maybe if Stanfield had a few more years to establish himself as leader, this election wouldn't have been so much a case of "charismatic new leader" versus "much less charismatic new leader."
Maybe. But keep in mind leaders in those days didn't resign after election losses. Diefenbaker was confident he could rebound after every loss. Plus he strongly disagreed with Stanfield.
Interesting to see that the debate was on the same problems Canada has today except that today the Canadian government got a compounded effect on those issues for not having done enough fast enough when they could have..but why should we expect any changes from Ottawa anglo colonial control system? I'm glad to have seen this vid... At about 1:51:00, even though I bursted into laughter, I was not surpriced to hear the response of the NDP leader. I had to remind myself that Tommy Douglas and the others did grow up during WWII. T Douglas did write his PH theses in eugenics. Also, interesting, was to see, how something like WWII only 25 years before this debate was taken so slightly by these politicians...
Less than three years in politics, Trudeau's grasp of the issues, policies and details of of government is impressive. This man's immense intelligence cannot be denied.
Man said he is so expensive doing his personal work to earn money as an engineer ,no time to build an item for me one day,I am so expensive too not willing to give anything I earned in the city of Toronto, nothing is free if I don't work for it.Did the job without disturbing others life.
Interesting during the tax discussion: a typical wage earner of $5000/year with 2 dependents paid $220 year in federal tax. No wonder I could more than make due getting minimum wage of $0.95/hour as a 16 year old. And Tommy Douglas complains because cars were raised on average $90 per vehicle.
That is why raising the minimum wage is actually about getting income tax revenue. Personal deductions limit has been 10,000 for around 25 years now... Also wild to think $5000 a year is completely income tax free, so by some argument, one could say taxes have gone down on income earners making $5000 a year 😂
Somebody is chasing after me for donations and I am not use to their behaviours in the city of Toronto and where I came from, discouraging and disturbing life?
Watching this, one gets the distinct feeling of how much we have regressed, how utterly false is the narrative of an unjust society led by men, how principled all these men are, including the journalists, and how much more shallow the politics are today where appearance is all that matters.
Fascinating. The vocabulary and dialogue seems to be at a much higher level than current debates. These men were all born before television, and grew up reading and living in a society less given to endless distraction. There's far less interruption, and a more concerted effort to convey broad ideas, and there's the patience to listen to long-form arguments.
Fun to listen to Douglas' Scottish accent in a national debate.
Begs the question if Democracy works when debates become more like punchlines. Fueled by television's focus on soundbytes and people's lack of attention. Can voters even make educated votes or are we choosing our Prime Minister like the winner of the Teen Choice Award.
The vocabulary, dialogue and also their accents as well are something different. I've noticed that older Canadians tend to emphasize the pronunciation of the letter "T". Compared to today when people seem to replace it with a "D" sound. Like "ba-tt-ery" as opposed to "ba-dd-ery". It's a small but noticeable thing.
well put
I remember that election. As a teenager I was already a “political junkie”. I also remember that we spoke more slowly and softly, and catch phrases were comparatively rare. Considerably older now, I recently realized I’m reverting to those speech patterns and vocabulary. It’s remarkable how much that irritates people, some even of my generation. “Hurry up, cut to the chase; quit wasting my time.” Oh dear, oh dear.
Shut up
I never even knew Trudeau debated Tommy Douglas.
Thank God for RUclips.
They were two fingers on the same hand.
@EM That's too bad then. How did Tommy do it as the Liberals had a majority 68-72?
Réal Caouette now then & forever
Thanks for posting this. Tommy Douglas is whom we owe our healthcare to, nice to see and hear his thoughts.
Trent Hogan Yes! I was really pleased to see him.
+Trent Hogan like when he called homosexuality a mental illness ?
+MrFlagg Well back then there were a lot of misconceptions, a lack of science and so on. I am just thankful for MSI
As if all health care comes from some level of government.
Trent Hogan kiefer Sutherland grandpa.
Wow! when one of them is talking the others are listening. This is 100% non existent today. How refreshing this was.
time for this to be the norm again!! real claass behavior by all, no grandstanding TOERAGS here!
Fascinating to see a politician from pre-Quiet Revolution Quebec, a hard line Catholic. His fellows haven't held real power in 50 years. A glimpse into the past.
This was more mid quite revolution but yeah
I would jump behind a revival of that sort of Quebec politics _so fast._
IMO that's what we need right now, and a very authentic and organic expression of Quebecois and Canadian national identity.
@@SquareNoggin pierre trudeau destroyed us
Hate the translations, really want to hear the french unedited version
I guess there must be a Radio-Canada version somewhere.
I know when you speak both it’s hard to hear either.
Do you by any chance have this without the translation? Réal Caouette sounds like an intense speaker, I'd like to hear him in his own words.
He would have saved this country.
He was an incredible leader
I wish there was a televised debate in 1867.
Probably not this tame lol
Did he mention about RFK in the debate? He died a couple of days prior.
Bob Stanfield did of course.
Does anyone else find it funny how the Social Credit Party elective was 'ignored' for the first hour 😆
He was basically the only real option there.
That was because in 1963 when Real Caouette became leader, the federal Social Credit party split into a western wing and a Quebec wing. The split happened because the most influential Social Credit leader at the time, Alberta Premier Ernest Manning encouraged western Social Credit MP's and politicians to defect to the P.C.'s while encouraging Anglo Social Credit voters to vote P.C.. His reason was that English Canadians would never vote for a Francophone leader. The Social Credit party reunited in 1971, however, by then the damage had been done, and it was now just a Quebec rump. Why Ernest Manning did this is unknown, however, Pierre Trudeau did make him a Senator in 1970.
Anyhow, after saying that in 1968 the federal Social Credit Party only had seats in Quebec, not in any other province even if they were running candidates in them.
I see no privatised plastic bottled water in this debate. Each participant enjoyed a true glass of then safe and then public drinking water.
Agreed, I miss this era of less pollution for profit
Excellent quality video for 1968! A lot of stuff from last year on RUclips was filmed with a potato.
Stanfield had his underwear to fall back on ...
A quality brand.
Here after yesterday's incomprehensible disaster of a debate.
Wow. Here we are in 2023 and we have all the same issues as in 1968. 55 years ago. Our prime minister now is Justin Trudeau.The debates, however, were civilized and business like with a true discussion on how to be fair to all Canadians. Wanting solutions to poverty and low income. Minds coming together with true unbiased reporting.
is there a bilingual version without any interpreters? much prefer to hear the french in it's original form
This seems really rare. Thanks for filling in the gaps. RUclips needs more videos that haven't been uploaded 50 times before.
Trudeau, Stanfield and Douglas were all class acts.
But all were behind Cauette.
@@conveyor2 Cauette was a populist loudmouth with no substance. Just like Pollievre,
Tommy Douglas grandson plays President in designated survivour on Netflix.
Dalton Camp (Conservative Party President) and Stanfield met after the convention and Camp said, "we're not gonna beat this guy (Trudeau)." Stanfield was just going through the motions and it's a bit obvious the moment he speaks.
I believe that. The Conservatives were in a mess in 1968 with a massive rift between the Camp-Stanfield camp and the Diefenbaker crowd. Diefenbaker did not rally support behind Stanfield, and was delighted to see him lose to Trudeau.
TC Douglas is Kiefer Sutherland’s grandfather!
Ok
The UK has only had televised debates since 2010....
Hold on, Trudeau just spoke about the disadvantages of gun control?
The context for the fire arms question was the assassination of Robert F Kennedy was very recent
I'm enjoying watching this. Politics with politeness. Questions being answered not evaded. Respect for each other. We need to return to this kind of civility. Wonderful.
Well Trudeau was evasive at points, however, overall you are correct, and I don't think I heard one um.
This looks like something out of the Dating Game. Bachelor number 1, bachelor number 2, or bachelor number 3?
Caouette won the debate.
boy how this is a breath of fresh air even today ya think those presumptives in usa could take note what a debate is...
5:30 we have been talking about a housing crisis for 50 years.
Stanfield should have won the election. Canada would have been MUCH better off with Stanfield as PM.
Stanfield was a cardboard cutout, by then the P.C.'s were liberal lite anyway. I would say that if Real Caouette had won, then you'd be correct. I have a copy I bookmarked of his speech to the Empire Club of Toronto in 1972, he was a federalist, NOT a separatist, and was a de-centralist, NOT a statist, and wanted all provinces to be treated equally and have jurisdiction over their own affairs.
I remember being 7 years old in 1968 and everyone thought Stafield was an old fart. Then his football kick gaff at the Grey Cup. And Trudeau was much more hip. This is just after Expo 67 and the older generations were out dated. If only Justin had half of Pierres intellect and comprehension of things Cheers from Montreal
how we miss real dialogue.please somebody do something to bring it back
Bob needs an eyebrow trim.
Pure gold
Why wasn't a debate included in the 1965, 1972 & 1974 elections?
I definitely vote for Tommy Douglas..Right out!...The only guy with a solution and common sense...with most importantly "honesty" and that's rare!
You weren't squirming when he said companies would have to make their case to the government if they want to raise their prices? He was a real socialist. An Old school socialist, not what passes as socialism today. He wanted direct state control of business.
He also believed in eugenics.
Why would I squirm at the notion of a democratically elected government controlling Prices to make life more affordable and enjoyable for Canadians as opposed to the alternative where tyrannical corporations and their oligarchic executives take control of the country and crush Canadians with high prices just so those few few elites can live in lavish mansions?
@@timmiestabrnak Because price controls don't work, you economic illiterate. Do you like shortages?
Prices go up because the government prints money anyway. Why not fight the root cause?
He didn’t hold the highest office in the land, but he still had a great influence on Canada.
Very interesting views expressed here. Tommy Douglas is a true socialist and his views contrast strongly against those of Thomas Mulcair in our recent election. Excellent audio and video quality, which makes this debate easier to relate to- it could have happened last month.
+Bradley Comis that must have been on 1" videotape. Those machines are very very rare and the remaining ones require constant maint.
I agree. Very high quality.
I was almost 2 yrs. old when this event took place.
I was a wee baby back then.
They need to do this in the states. No crowds. Just the candidates and moderators
We already did...eight years earlier with Kennedy and Nixon (and again in 2024).
Jason Kieffer and no circuses
Any of Trudeau Sr, Stanfield or Douglas would be a major improvement on the party leaders we have today. Trudeau Jr. is a flake, Pollievre is a weasel, and Singh is a good guy but doesn't have any real leadership qualities.
4 of the 8 NDP leaders were not members of parliament when they became leader (Tommy Douglas wasn't in the house for the first 14 months of his leadership).
Did Stanfield joke about killing the prime minister ????
Second hand items ?
How much items I missed today? Some body want to use the elevator? Missing ?
1:52:00 Yikes, Tommy.
He spoke from the heart. The best leader that party ever had.
Hard to believe that debate was 50 years ago. I wasn’t aware there was a TV debate in 1968, and in colour as well. I was born that year. A window in time. Thanks for uploading this important piece of Canadian political history.
I was born in 1968 and I saw this for the first time in 2018.
What happened?! How did ‘we’ descend from that to this-from Pierre, and Tommy, and Bob, to Justin, and Doug, and ‘The Donald’?!
These men were principled; they had gravitas. They were well-spoken, well-intentioned, well-disposed, well-scrubbed, courteous, personable, cogent, reasonable people-just like those they purportedly represented.
I watched the entire debate: when do the politicians come on?
What B.S. No one in 1968 thought Stanfield had 'gravitas' after he fumbled the famous football photo.
@@conveyor2 The football came in 1974.
And let's not forget Justin was Pierre's son.
Justin is The Omen child. aka the anti-Christ. 666.
It’s easy to view people as better or more “classy” when you aren’t living during the time of the debate
why was real caouette not there at the beginning?
my guess is because there was a dedicated time for him because his party was only running in Quebec. So they wanted to give the leaders who were running in the entire country more time. That is my best guess anyway.
The regular Social Credit candidates were also running in the west too, but the party had this weird split in the mid 1960's, with the new exclusive Quebec one, and the regular So-creds, the revised movement in Quebec elected a lot more candidates than the traditional one in the West.
Yes, the party was split between 1963 and 1972. The western Socreds were wiped out in 1968, and the last of the Quebec Créditistes were defeated in 1980.
David Banks the dumbass creditistes defeated the budget that ultimately led to their demise
The better question would be why he was there at all?
Didn't give receipt!?
Justin Trudeau is nowhere near this level.
43 minutes in. The question on campaign donations. This is the main ingredient in keeping Canada away from a US copy and paste.
50 years later... Conservatives and Libs have no intention of electoral reform.
Where can I get the french version of it so I can upload it too ?
This was the only debate they did; the first French-language debate wasn't until 1984.
Jonathan Allen Yes, actually, this debate is bilingual. I should have asked about where I could find the 'unedited' version, because right now, the french part of it between Mr.Trudeau and Mr.Caouette are masked by the CBC translator. It's no big deal honestly.
Pierre Trudeau ,1968 and others people,who is going to receive more?
Eglinton and Yonge!?
We are having different kind of point of view in a family.
It is rather sad how many of the issues raised are no different today, metal health not being covered by healthcare being one example. It is nice seeing leaders actually talking about issues, rather than just saying something bad about one of the opponents and giving vague two sentence solutions to problems.
I think Trudeau's statement about responsible government requiring the exchange of ideas and debate between those who rule and those who do not. Something we've lacked for 10 years.
thank you soo much for posting this. as a history buff and someone getting increasingly more interested in Canadian politics/history this is pure gold to see Pierre Trudeau and Tommy Douglas politely spar along with the leader of the Progressive Conservatives and Social Credit. wow the discourse, the exchange of idea, the right to convey the ideas, and even the fact much of the conservation is how to improve government and what is can deliver shows how much we've shifted to the right in which we really have two rival oligarch parties and a fake socialist or controlled opposition left party now. Sad though that Tommy Douglas who i'd of voted for was a homophobe who thought LGBT folk suffered from mental illness. but then again despite the rhetoric Douglas said about NATO, he was infact a social imperialist abroad. thank for posting this!
That was the view of the scientific community, which Tommy was supportive of the scientific method, I am sure once it was removed from the DSM he adjusted his view. He speaks of compassion for us LGBTQ types and that is enough for me. He not the pandering virtue signalling politicians we get now.
@@brettcorby3917 interesting! what was Douglas's track record towards Indigenous and Black people when he was Premier of Saskatchewan
I do believe? I know he's most famous for championing Medicare for all but curious what were his policies regarding Indigenous and black Canadians?
In those days, liberalism was in a flux - the old and new left. Douglas, a Christian and an ordained minister, would have been part of the old left, favouring only racial and economic equality, but opposed LGBTs and abortion rights. Other old left politicians, like Reagan, went even further all the way to the right.
@@broadstreet21 very true! Douglas was also a Christian Zionist and big supporter sadly of Israel. But given the NDP base he would've been pushed to be socially liberal and tolerant while advocating for worker's rights and social democracy. Funny how the Liberal Party always a broad church and rival oligarch party, a compassionate conservative/One Nation Tory party, they've really pivoted to the right since Trudeau and the Conservatives becoming worst of both worlds with fiscal conservativism and playing footsy with social reactionary social conservativism ,
@1+1 hosted by Youri Smouter (sometimes Yuri) What's so sad about Douglas' support for Israel?
But yes, these were interesting times. It's worth noting before Trudeau, the Liberals weren't known for being an activist party, save for Wilfred Laurier's campaign for personal liberty. They did implement a welfare state solely out of necessity in WWII or to cooperate with the NDP in the 60s. But they were Canada's naturally governing party because they closed ranks, left personal differences at the door, and slowly worked to accommodate everyone, while pursuing no big agenda. The conservatives, SoCreds, and NDP existed to do that.
Trudeau getting elected leader was effectively the NDP taking over the Liberals, as he had been a CCP member who joined the Liberals solely on electability concerns. But had it been Hellyer getting elected leader in 68, it would be like the PCs taking over the Liberals.
Trudeau couldn't fix the housing crisis in 1968, and Trudeau Jr. couldn't fix the housing crisis now in over 50 years later. Welcome to Canada everyone!
"I think before talking about raising taxes or lowering taxes the first thing to do is have a fair and equitable and just taxation system and I say to Mr. Trudeau that you can't talk about a just society unless he's prepared to committing himself to a just tax structure in this country."
Make it plain, Tommy, make it plain!
The two people responsible for the worst things that have happened in our country so far.
- The re-writing of the Charter of Rights to include the fatal Section 1 that completely nullifies all human rights in Canada.
- Making Healthcare illegal in Canada.
Statesmen like Douglas, Stanfield,and numerous others that was Canada. Trudeau was considered a maverick and according to popular thought at the time he was thought to bring a new reality to a modern Canada. Well 50 years later, we're in worse economic,social and political condition than we were in 1968. Trudeau talks a lot of noise,BUT after his regime and now his son is running things (into the ground) we're going to be back in the Early "Dirty Thirties". The more things change,the more they stay the same. With hand held technology nobody bothers to do research,study, or listen to debate. This is why our civilization is doomed, we're becoming irresponsible and unable to lead a concerted effort.
@PatchesRips If we are richer, why have tent cities sprung up in every city? If we have more personal property it's because it's being paid for with debt.
@@micheleemcdaniel389 well actually half a million Canadians below international poverty line is no longer true, its about a quarter million now, and country's population is near 5x.
So statistically a huge improvement on that front.
@@Corbiel 'International poverty line'? I'm talking about Canadians no longer being able to afford housing. Affordable housing was once a Canadian's birthright. That is no longer the case.
Both Trudeau Sr and Jr were and are a disgrace. A rewrite the history books is desperately needed.
You don't have the 1973-1974 debates? Was there no debate that year before the election?
+OttawaNow There was no debate in 1972, 1974 or 1980.
Why didn't they do a debate before the 1974 election?
1968 was the first televised Canadian federal election debate. Growing television ownership among Canadians, as well as the landmark first US presidential debates of 1960, spurred the major networks to follow suit. There were no debates in 1980 because the Liberals refused to participate; they wanted to keep Trudeau's arrogance as far away from the TV screen as possible.
+majortuff Why wasn't there a debate before the 1974 election?
+TheYoYoItsJ 1973-1974??? Found nothing.
If only Mr. Stanfield had won over PET....both intelligent men....but Mr. Stanfield would not have spent us into penury......
He would instead sell off all our assets to multi national corporations as both his conservative predecessors and successors have
@@jessecool8623 Only possible if the federal government owned the means of production. Stanfield was a Marxist?
Mmm, coming from a conservative, it would be very interesting if Stanfield somehow won. The big argument is how on earth could he win? Lack of charisma notwithstanding, he was an underwhelming leader with few new and inspiring ideas.
Had Stanfield won, he effectively would have carried on the Pearsonian ideals of stability and balance - for two years maximum. Quebec separatism would have exploded, he would lack any credibility to maintain national unity. And Canada might have folded.
Diefenbaker might have had a better chance to maintain national unity, he was a much stronger leader, despite his lack of French. Had he been PM from 1957 up until this election (and won), many Quebecers would have turned their focus away from French vs. English sentiments - Diefenbaker adroitly cast himself as not British or French. That could have been a stepping stone out of separatism.
Personal belongings is flying every where?
Calculating money ,$421 ?mess up by community workers ?etc.?2356 money?
Makes you wonder what would have happened if the previous PC leader, John Diefenbaker had stepped down after his government was voted out of office, like he should have done. Maybe if Stanfield had a few more years to establish himself as leader, this election wouldn't have been so much a case of "charismatic new leader" versus "much less charismatic new leader."
Maybe. But keep in mind leaders in those days didn't resign after election losses. Diefenbaker was confident he could rebound after every loss. Plus he strongly disagreed with Stanfield.
Interesting to see that the debate was on the same problems Canada has today except that today the Canadian government got a compounded effect on those issues for not having done enough fast enough when they could have..but why should we expect any changes from Ottawa anglo colonial control system?
I'm glad to have seen this vid... At about 1:51:00, even though I bursted into laughter, I was not surpriced to hear the response of the NDP leader. I had to remind myself that Tommy Douglas and the others did grow up during WWII. T Douglas did write his PH theses in eugenics. Also, interesting, was to see, how something like WWII only 25 years before this debate was taken so slightly by these politicians...
Opening statement from Pierre is the same stuff his son has to deal with to this day, but worse
Less than three years in politics, Trudeau's grasp of the issues, policies and details of of government is impressive. This man's immense intelligence cannot be denied.
And this man's immense leftism cannot be repaired.
He ruined this country. Nothing impressive about that.
He was intelligent, however, he had been in politics for quite some time by this point.
Tommy Douglas was Kiefer Sutherlands Grand father. Cheers from Montreal
min 38:22 "we must have an economic growth rate of 5 to 6% to provide full employment"
Holy mackarel! Full employment on Tommys agenda!
Man said he is so expensive doing his personal work to earn money as an engineer ,no time to build an item for me one day,I am so expensive too not willing to give anything I earned in the city of Toronto, nothing is free if I don't work for it.Did the job without disturbing others life.
Every cultures are so smart they don't need me.
Having everything perfect with family until now very disappointing, some body is chasing after me to control me.
Interesting during the tax discussion: a typical wage earner of $5000/year with 2 dependents paid $220 year in federal tax. No wonder I could more than make due getting minimum wage of $0.95/hour as a 16 year old. And Tommy Douglas complains because cars were raised on average $90 per vehicle.
That is why raising the minimum wage is actually about getting income tax revenue. Personal deductions limit has been 10,000 for around 25 years now...
Also wild to think $5000 a year is completely income tax free, so by some argument, one could say taxes have gone down on income earners making $5000 a year 😂
Same issues in 1968 as in 2024
Calculating by meter only,?meter plus $15 or $20.
Robert Stanford was the best Prime Minister we never had.
Somebody is chasing after me for donations and I am not use to their behaviours in the city of Toronto and where I came from, discouraging and disturbing life?
Watching this, one gets the distinct feeling of how much we have regressed, how utterly false is the narrative of an unjust society led by men, how principled all these men are, including the journalists, and how much more shallow the politics are today where appearance is all that matters.
The life of 1968.?
Ron Collister would go on to Radio in Edmonton CJCA then Ched
Once attack me want to keep on chasing after me attack?This is City of Toronto, Canada,not China?
But sometimes, Mr. Douglas' accent was rather Irish than Scottish instead.
Our life has changed by some younger generation.
Chasing after for personal belongings!?
We were once a serious country.
My family don't want to help me save every thing I have.?
Up to date problems!
Our country would have been better today if Canadians would have voted Stanfield. The only rational thinker, it seems.
I liked Mr Trudeau but I also now believe that Mr Stanfield would have also made an excellent prime minister of Canada
RS. Canada. 2025
5 years!
I cant believe we still have the same problems from 1968... Politicians are useless.
Violating minds right now,I don't want you in my room,I have so much things to organize.
Strong sense of government,new problems came from unknown job.
Included Beck taxi!
Stanfield seems very awkward. I remember him but was only 7 in 1968.
Tommy Douglas should have been PM. But people, like the sheep they are, vote solely on charisma.
TC Douglas had it in spades, but lost in 1962, 1963, 1965 and 1968.
He missteps on the sexual question.
P.TRUDEAU would later give printing power, for the money supply, to private banks.
Interesting stats on foreign ownership of our natural resources.