The classic car hobby has become all about looks
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Whenever I get a new old Mercedes, first thing my mates notice are the cosmetic defects. They can't care less if the car runs good and drives safe. We as humans eat with our eyes first.
This might also apply to people.
It’s truly sad that many people will buy a classic Mercedes and never realize the true beauty is a mechanically sorted Mercedes. It’s what the car is all about. Not just a pretty face. Many purchase a pretty face and get discouraged when the car is not a pleasure to drive. Even worse is good classic car mechanics are few and far between. So they go to the shop that installs the LS drivetrain.
Multi-meters and gauges are a hell of a lot harder to use than a buffing wheel.
The 40 year old Benz you see driving around your town every single day with questionable paint is infinitely cooler than the one that only appears at car shows.
When I bought my W116 300SD to daily drive, I found one that was about 7/10 cosmetic condition and 9/10 mechanical condition. I've slowly been bringing up the cosmetic details (8/10 now) which has been more work than maintaining it's mechanical operation. At 183k miles, it's been wonderfully reliable and a joy to own. Put mechanical condition first and you won't be disappointed.
No matter the make of the car, I always approach my hobby cars the same way: Brakes, tires, suspension, drivetrain, electricals, structural, then cosmetics last. The car has to stop before it goes, and it has to stop and go before it looks.
I bought a 300SE W112 in 74 senior year HS. I loved the fintails. It ran great but needed cosmetic repairs and replacement of rear airbags. It turned into my daily driver for almost 20 years. I learned a lot about repairing and keeping it maintained. Kept that car for over 30 years but had to sell. I can’t afford to buy that car today but looking to buy a 280SE 4.5 in the near future. Love to have a 300SE with the 6.3 but another one out of my league.
Having to fix beautiful restored cars so that they run was THE STORY OF MY LIFE when I worked on Lotus and Alfa Romeos. It is not just Mercedes. Having to fix restored cars always bothered me until I overheard Ralph Lauren after winning the Pebble Beach concours say "yeah, now all I have to do is tear it apart and rebuild it again so I can drive it". He should know!
On a more serious note, every restored car I have ever dealt with had several MAJOR problems within 5000 miles after the restoration. That is just part of the game. The worst "after the fact" problem you can get is rust, followed by major paint failure. Everything else can be dealt with.
This problem is rampant in the 500E market, too. To be honest, rather few of my members care that much about the overall mechanics of the cars, and ensuring that the cars’ systems operate as they should. They tend to care about the “stance” and paint and interior looks of the cars. I coined a rule many many years ago, that ALL E500Es out there (even the best/most expensive ones) have AT LEAST $10,000 of deferred maintenance. With inflation, this is really more like $20-25K in today’s dollars.
Agree Gerry! 😊
Think I saw an 500E on a German channel, and I recognized this deferred maintenance when they got it on a lift.
@@christianwc9458 Basically everything rubber on these cars in the engine compartment and suspension needs to be replaced, if it hasn't been in the last 30 years. People just don't want to deal with it until something fails. Plastic vacuum lines under the hood, too.
@@gerryvanzandt7894 true, I'm in the camp of those who are at least slightly proactive about their cars condition, for the sake of keeping the daily driver, driving daily, with no unwanted surprises.
In my chapter most members would rather hear about the latest ceramic wax than, say, subframe mounts.
I get it, its a long journey for restorers myself included and big respect for your insights!
That's true, everyone keeps saying I need to get monoblocks blah blah blah.
The 16inch wheels on my 129 run amazing and super comfortable.
Keeping my car stock is 10/10
Change the R129 factory 16inch wheel to anything else destroy the design philosophy of the great Bruno Sacco original concept. For me, once it change wheel, I don't even feel to take a look at that car. If u truly admire the original design language of this R129, keep it at stock and never listen to anyone who is not a true admirer.
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Purist snob
Due to my work, I'm only able to drive my Mercedes on weekends. But I need it to be safe and reliable first. Doesn't matter to me how it looks if it doesn't function. Once I've sorted out all the mechanicals, then I'll make it pretty again.
I'd rather stare at a smooth running diesel engine all day, rather than a polished turd.
I am a detailer that loves making classic Mercedes’ look good, but I have miles of parts for my 300cd that not only make the car look better for what you can see, but also what you can’t. It’s a great running car, but will be a perfectly runnng and driving car in time. So yes, Pierrre, you are 100 percent correct.
Thank you for video. You, sir are spitting facts! Keep up great work! 😃👍
Thanks for your advice😊
Your sooo right about the Dino….lol
Great video Pierre! I agree 100%!
The Man of old Benz diesels
A full restoration should include a full engine rebuild…especially for a $100k+ classic.
Maybe in a gas engine, not on a pre-1985 diesel engine.
Couldn’t agree with you more .. very few are true enthusiasts and primarily into looks .. not to mention the technical know how of mechanics is limited now
For me personally, being mechanically inclined, I always look for a project that needs little to no body / interior work. I despise doing bodywork and finding shops that do quality work is difficult. So I don't mind mechanical messes. But I am fully aware of what I am getting into.
I had a 1980 300sd and spent way too many hours getting road worthy. I got tired of it and sold it. Turned around and bought a 84 300sd that needs less work overall but it will eat countless hours of my time. For me the cosmetics make the feel good part of the ownership. But driving it after extensive mechanical work is magic!
It's all about the looks
love it
I start with cosmetic appeal then boil it down to a PPI. I spent a couple thousand on PPI fees before buying the best looking AND maintened 560 SL. Lucked out on a good looking documented 87 SEC as the 1st one I had inspected. Even after all that I still have preventative done at my MB shop.
Just like why people buy new Mercedes today, it just looks good...not much else.
Great post. Spot on.
I need rear windshield aluminum trim for my w116 300sd. Doesn't have to look like showroom perfect condition.😊 1980 by the way.
Great video, and message LOL... I love these cars too, and it's something I also spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about. Wish you lived closer to me Pierre so I could come hang out with you!!
Amen, Pierre!
1970 250 carbon harness rain ,"no start" sat in the rain and dreamed of a cam sensor
I’m with you all the way. Just bought an 1986 Mercedes 560SL in light ivory, and I’m budgeting 3.5-5K for mechanical maintenance. I don’t care that the hood is slightly off color due to the missing hood pad. Yeah, I’ll replace the pad, but I want a car to drive and preserve for posterity. Kids are telling me to put a color wrap on it 🤮. Thanks for all your advice on the videos!
Rubbing his eye with an oily glove😝
Spot on again! My 91 300D had been totaled by the insurance co. BC of a hit to the headlight and grill when it was 20 years old. It had all the foundations, rust free, clean and dry underneath, the engine started like it was supposed to. I’ve spent a year making it into a distance driver. I’ll get to the fender dent when I get to it, it’s kind of a badge for me, it’s 34! Underhood, it’s industrial jewelry, Pierre you have set me on the right path!
Buy it back from them! That 2.5 diesel is more rare
@@nehuge that’s how I got it, insurance auction in SCarolina. I’m having a ball with it, best $800 I ever spent. THX!
People with money will always pay what they want to. Sadly it drives up the value of these classic cars. Mechanical faults are always harder to predict and will only emerge over time. The looks of the car presents and sells the car immediately.
I got a 72 volvo 1800E , hes right with normal TLC they runs 4ever
Hi Pierre, I guess LS swaps are out of the question 😀
I don't think people buying for appearance is a new concept in the new, used, or collector market. In the American collector car world, it was once the (now collectable) beloved muscle cars---they were bought new for the visceral impacts of colors, shapes, sounds (or noise, to some of us)...and, at least in the earliest years, they handled and stopped like pigs--no, or small sway bars, small brakes, modest tires, slow manual steering, etc. And they were very willing to overlook these shortcomings in the name of appearance.
You see this concerpt inplimented at Barrett Jackson and Mecum auctions all the time. How many times do i see beautiful cars come across the auction block that ignore the mechanicals but the cosmetics are pristine and the bidding goes crazy. SMH
What do you think of the W180 ? I have a 1958 220s ponton
I love my Euro series 3 W123 300D in Nautical Blue but if I had focused on only color combo without regard to condition I would have bought a Euro series 1 W123 280E in English Red with a Olive Green interior that had documents back to the original owner but was a rust bucket sadly.
Who do you recommend in the Phoenix area to care for a car I just got from John Woods? Mechanically perfect now; I want to keep it that way. Or can I talk you into moving to Phoenix?
BaT brings 30% premium on average, imo. Comparing auction results with bonhams, mecum, etc. over the last 5 years or so. Lesson is if you're selling a decent, lower than average mileage, specced car, BaT is a no brainer.
I wish I could afford a 89 560 sec euro spec. Stock Benz
That's been a dream car for me since I was 10 yrs. old
Those are beautiful machines.
Many folks do the same with wives…….
Buy a Mercedes and make it Look Nice add MAE WHEELS put on a Coil-over put it on BAGS ITS FIRE 🔥🔥🔥
Mercedes should never be cheap to maintain, £2000 per year
Has become? Hasn't it always been about looks?
An over-restored Benz (that runs like a three-legged goat) gets a lot more clicks on social media, and isn’t social media what life’s all about?
Hoy estás enfadado!!!
This is the reason why unreliable British cars still yield decent numbers on Bring a Trailer and Cars and Bids lol. People love the way Jags and Land Rovers look.
On the flip side, Mercedes paint from the 60s to the 90s is so good, that it doesn’t take much to remove swirl marks and scratches out of it to make it look new again. Add on ceramic coat or paint protection film, and you can have a car that both runs well and looks amazing for not that much work.
Longest outtro ever
Speaking of looks: GROOM YOURSELF
You need to shave that Jew fro and beard
That’s a very rude comment. It’s obvious that no one ever taught you proper manners and how to be respectful to others. Be a better person.
@@blueberrycobbler I'm a better person than you'll ever be.