I work in a charter company and I'm not one of those people who hate production boats, but I have to admit that we have recieved some complaints about some of these new Jeanneau models over the last couple of years. The customers have supposedly been reporting creaking floor boards. I have went inside one of them to check, and it was creaking when I was walking in it. We have many Bavaria and Beneteau boats in our fleet too, and none of them have that issue so it's not a result of poor maintenance on our behalf. Something to consider when buying one of these. Otherwise, I would say they are very lovely and cleverly designed boats.
The one thing I dislike on the Jeanneaus compared to the Beneteaus is that the Js have winches above the companionway, whereas the larger Bs run all the lines aft by the helm. This keeps the area by the companionway clear for use as a sun bed and it makes the boat easier to single hand. The other thing the Bs have that the Js don't is dual rudders. And you can get the Bs with the Firstline mast and sail package.
Hi Chris, I'm confused about the discrepancy between the LENGTH OVERALL (LOA) of the Jeanneau 410 on the Jeanneau site, which is 12.35 M / 40'6", and the LOA on the Sailboat data, which is 42.49 ft / 12.95 m. Can you clarify which one is more accurate?
I need to know what if any is the difference in the pointing ability of the shole keel and the lifting keel? I had a watkins 23 one time and it would not point well at all. I like the shole keel if it will point but i liked the winglet bulb keel on the legend 35 hunter it pointed the best i ever had. But i really like the new Jeanneau designs and need to make a sailboat show to see which one i could live with. How well do these hold up living aboard them?
Soooo, I got really excited about the lifting keel option. But, I hate the cheaper than Ikea interior. Heck, it looks like they strapped down some flat wooden boards to make the interior coach backs. Ugly.
I think the Beneteau's are actually nicer- although still Ikea. They make a nice frac. rigged sloop at the end of the day. Selden makes all of the masts and they aren't gonna sell ones that break all of the time. I'm sure that many spars are interchangeable between a variety of vessels.
Yeah, half assed repairs and upgrades suck. However you can get those performed in a boat yard and many times are on par with an owner DYI who has no business doing them. Something to keep an eye on going for a used vessel. Bad enough to need a repair or upgrade than to have to rip out shit shot repairs/upgrades and re-do them. Screw dual helm vessels because mostly both helms are on the same cable circuit to both rudders. What this mean is that a failure of one helm is a failure to both with below deck hardware. The HR 352 did an aft cabin as well as could be done for a vessel under 40'. Crossing oceans between the 40s generally presents fewer issues than doing one in the roaring 40s, 50s, and 60s. So if you are looking for a polite and less expensive boat the Jennies and Bennies will generally do alright. Robert Manry crossed the Atlantic from Falmouth to Falmouth in a boat billed as 15' but was actually 13' 8". This was back in the 60s mind you. I look at the Lloyd's ratings and not the CE-X ratings. If Lloyds won't insure them why would you put any weight in the CE ratings? Pop up microwave. lol You will never hear me complain about a plumb bow. I guess the French makers want to create their own terminology. Something which aggravates me no end. Disrespectful to the tradition. These boats here are tweeners I guess. Keep them between the 40s, stay away from the scarys and you should have few issues hopefully. Beat one in the Southern Ocean for long and it won't take long. I knew teens who went off rode in their VW Beetles with 4 passengers. Yeah they did it, but not for long. You can run the Horn on any of them. I would never even think of running one around the globe via the 5 Great Capes non-stop. Beneteau has more boats lined up for the Sidney to Hobart this year than any other maker in history. Sounds like they expect to lose a few.
@ABC gang Emergency rudder? I want some of that stuff you are smoking. I have heard of a sailor who went the distance to upgrade a Bavaria to separate circuits for each helm. I'm sure that was cheap and easy correct? Yes I understand the reason for prt/stbd helms for viewing pleasure. I doubt I would want to sail with a captain who NEEDED them to berth. If the last Vende Globe was any indication, failure of a single rudder even presents real issues.
@@ChasingLatitudes I have more nm under my keel than the Pardees. I just never made a living writing about it. I was never into the yachty club thing either. Getting ready this year to run some more with a crew of disabled veterans hopefully lighting out next year. We'll see. I have very high hopes on this one. No, there will be no 'gimme some money' you tube videos either.
I love the "facts don't care about feelings!" , so true .
“Facts don’t care about your feelings” 😂
Subbed just for that commentary
I love the 440 it’s beautiful
I work in a charter company and I'm not one of those people who hate production boats, but I have to admit that we have recieved some complaints about some of these new Jeanneau models over the last couple of years. The customers have supposedly been reporting creaking floor boards. I have went inside one of them to check, and it was creaking when I was walking in it. We have many Bavaria and Beneteau boats in our fleet too, and none of them have that issue so it's not a result of poor maintenance on our behalf.
Something to consider when buying one of these. Otherwise, I would say they are very lovely and cleverly designed boats.
Yeah jeanneau does a horrible job on the cabin sole, they all cracked horribly
Great Vlog !! ..........And great Info Bless
The one thing I dislike on the Jeanneaus compared to the Beneteaus is that the Js have winches above the companionway, whereas the larger Bs run all the lines aft by the helm. This keeps the area by the companionway clear for use as a sun bed and it makes the boat easier to single hand. The other thing the Bs have that the Js don't is dual rudders. And you can get the Bs with the Firstline mast and sail package.
Narrowing it down, think it will be a Jeanneau, 45 ish. Like the Oceanis as well.
Hi Chris, I'm confused about the discrepancy between the LENGTH OVERALL (LOA) of the Jeanneau 410 on the Jeanneau site, which is 12.35 M / 40'6", and the LOA on the Sailboat data, which is 42.49 ft / 12.95 m. Can you clarify which one is more accurate?
Can you do a comparison of the pointing ability of the shoal keel compared to the lifting keel. Both might be acceptable to me.
I need to know what if any is the difference in the pointing ability of the shole keel and the lifting keel? I had a watkins 23 one time and it would not point well at all. I like the shole keel if it will point but i liked the winglet bulb keel on the legend 35 hunter it pointed the best i ever had. But i really like the new Jeanneau designs and need to make a sailboat show to see which one i could live with. How well do these hold up living aboard them?
What are your thoughts on Grand Soleil? I have seen a few in Puerto del Rey in Fajardo. They look nice and fast.
nice but more of a racer :)
Where does this one fall on your scale of Stunning to "Absolutely Stunning?" :)
well played
Chris all those Jenneau's are great boats but a little out of my price range. Unless you know of someone just wanting to give it away.
Mine as well, I'd love one though
I’m dead set on this boat, can’t wait
Word on the street is Jeanneau sail better than beneteau but I like the interior of beneteau.
Soooo, I got really excited about the lifting keel option. But, I hate the cheaper than Ikea interior. Heck, it looks like they strapped down some flat wooden boards to make the interior coach backs. Ugly.
I think the Beneteau's are actually nicer- although still Ikea. They make a nice frac. rigged sloop at the end of the day. Selden makes all of the masts and they aren't gonna sell ones that break all of the time. I'm sure that many spars are interchangeable between a variety of vessels.
@ABC gang Maybe that was Jeanneau's 'inspiration'! Hahaha
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Yeah, half assed repairs and upgrades suck. However you can get those performed in a boat yard and many times are on par with an owner DYI who has no business doing them. Something to keep an eye on going for a used vessel. Bad enough to need a repair or upgrade than to have to rip out shit shot repairs/upgrades and re-do them. Screw dual helm vessels because mostly both helms are on the same cable circuit to both rudders. What this mean is that a failure of one helm is a failure to both with below deck hardware. The HR 352 did an aft cabin as well as could be done for a vessel under 40'. Crossing oceans between the 40s generally presents fewer issues than doing one in the roaring 40s, 50s, and 60s. So if you are looking for a polite and less expensive boat the Jennies and Bennies will generally do alright. Robert Manry crossed the Atlantic from Falmouth to Falmouth in a boat billed as 15' but was actually 13' 8". This was back in the 60s mind you. I look at the Lloyd's ratings and not the CE-X ratings. If Lloyds won't insure them why would you put any weight in the CE ratings? Pop up microwave. lol You will never hear me complain about a plumb bow. I guess the French makers want to create their own terminology. Something which aggravates me no end. Disrespectful to the tradition. These boats here are tweeners I guess. Keep them between the 40s, stay away from the scarys and you should have few issues hopefully. Beat one in the Southern Ocean for long and it won't take long. I knew teens who went off rode in their VW Beetles with 4 passengers. Yeah they did it, but not for long. You can run the Horn on any of them. I would never even think of running one around the globe via the 5 Great Capes non-stop. Beneteau has more boats lined up for the Sidney to Hobart this year than any other maker in history. Sounds like they expect to lose a few.
@ABC gang people just make up things, such nonsense and a clear indicator that they have no real world experience
@ABC gang Emergency rudder? I want some of that stuff you are smoking. I have heard of a sailor who went the distance to upgrade a Bavaria to separate circuits for each helm. I'm sure that was cheap and easy correct? Yes I understand the reason for prt/stbd helms for viewing pleasure. I doubt I would want to sail with a captain who NEEDED them to berth. If the last Vende Globe was any indication, failure of a single rudder even presents real issues.
@@ChasingLatitudes I have more nm under my keel than the Pardees. I just never made a living writing about it. I was never into the yachty club thing either. Getting ready this year to run some more with a crew of disabled veterans hopefully lighting out next year. We'll see. I have very high hopes on this one. No, there will be no 'gimme some money' you tube videos either.