My brother, my heart is filled with gratitude, deep love and happiness for the love you have for our heavenly Father, and Son, and for the brothers and sisters in the faith. You spend much time to help us, always with a humble spirit. I wish you could sense how deeply I appreciate your spiritual insight.
@@BeroeanPickets Your reference to the doctrine of the overlapping generation is of paramount importance. Jesus essentially mentioned two events in His end-time speech, namely the destruction of the city of Jerusalem or the temple and His future parousia or return. With the term "these things" Jesus therefore had these two events in mind. The first of these two events is proven to have taken place in 70 AD. The second event, the parousia or return of Christ, is yet to come, contrary to the teaching of the organization. This prediction results in a start date of 70 AD, not 1914. If Jesus had used the term "this generation" in the sense of a person's ordinary lifespan, the second of these two events should have taken place in the 1st century. In this respect, I believe that the question arises as to how the term 'generation' should be interpreted. According to 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, Paul prophesied in the name of the Lord that Christians would still live on earth until Christ's return.
@@MR-gx3gc Or, "these things" could refer to all the things he'd spoken about. His disciples raised the question of his presence. He didn't. He spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem. Consider Matthew 23:33-24:2.
Wow, I wish I had known these things when I left. I just called the elders, confronted them about the constant changing of doctrine,particularly the blood issue , and this made them blood guilty. Also how they were protecting paedophiles. Had to write a letter as you described,did not know why but I complied. Didn't have any other family members who were in ,so the shunning is no problem . Glad to be free. Thank you for your words of wisdom.
Thank you, brother Eric. When I was baptized, I did not assume that I was signing a contract with an organization, although, in fact, it turned out that way; it is more like a human contract with a human organization, therefore there is no true Christian Freedom and true love, but only instructions and dogmas of a small group of people that have nothing to do with God and Christ.
Don’t forget to record your judicial committee if you go and ask questions, the elders won’t be listening to your arguments no matter how clear and reasonable they are, you already become and enemy for them, because you dare to think for yourself something that the GB absolutely hates!
Because full and open disclosure was not given as to the (accurate representation) nature of the Watchtower society and its subsidiary corporations, You have a right to rescind the contract.
Thank you my brother Eric, that letter covered every base, it was complete and with questions for them to answer. I wrote my letter 5 months back and I was not as complete as you were and loving with your words you truly are a loving brother. But I did take your suggestions of sending it to all the ones that I love when I sent it to the elders the very same night so they all got to know my feelings on the matter. Keep up your thoughtful work Eric you are such a help to so many, I always look forward to your next subject matter. Once again I thank you.
Spreading such a letter to the people in your congregation will 100% lead you to be disfellowshipped for apostasy. And it's a loud and hard exit which will make you extremely difficult to be reinstated because the influences of the "apostasy" are wide. And you will be shunned to the extreme. It's a great choice if you have no intention of going back and associating with your families ever again. For many others, they may still want some form of contact between them and their families, so fading is still the best option in my opinion, though it still entails soft shunning. But thank you very much for this video, Eric.I dowloaded the template as a reference. I myself disassociated myself last year, I had no families in the cult so I chose a clean break.
Excellent video! Thank you Eric.. I share your feelings about writing a letter to the elders. Everyone must do what's best for them. Personally, I'm not interested in meeting with them, playing their games or following their protocols. The days of having every part of my life including my decisions being controlled by a group of men are over. Just finished reading your book, by far one of the most comprehensive and illuminating exposes into the cult of jw's I've ever read. Every jw should read it!
You just slip out the back, Jack Make a new plan, Stan You don’t need to be coy, Roy Just get yourself free Hop on the bus, Gus You don’t need to discuss much Just drop off the key, Lee And get yourself free
Luke 21:14, 15: 14 So make up your mind not to worry beforehand how to defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you speech and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
That was very good information. It was timely. Thank you for composing and sharing that letter. Many feel trepidation at the prospect of composing such an important letter. Those who want to write a letter to the elders and Watchtower will be more at ease with the help of the letter you suggest. There is a growing number of PIMOS. With the help you've given, there may be a surge in the number of POMOS! We want association with our old friends again. We pray for their liberation from Watchtower, so that they can join us in true worship.
My wife and I woke up in Dec. 2021 and our four born in children started soft shunning us because they were warned by a “ loving elder” so they could protect themselves . He’s quite a rat! We went to a lawyer, crafted a letter of warning to elders and CO reminding them to avoid slandering our name. Fast forward to one year, we text messaged the elders granting them permission and specific request to announce our names as no longer members. It gave us time to establish our reputation and support system for our mission to support all the ones like us in our area being shunned and seeking to get out and needing support. We are very visible and vocal about it. Everyone seeking exit has a very unique circumstance that they have to deal with. The combined exchange of a loving support group makes a very bad situation bearable. Anyone associated with that organization will suffer loss. Each person has to arrive at that decision model to their satisfaction. There is no easy prescriptions for it, but escape is preferable to remaining in that extremely toxic organization. The best healing therapy is helping others to make that change.
@@Joeandfran The idea of obtaining legal advice used to be nearly unheard of. Before the CSA cases, I think that lawyers and psychologists were mostly "in the dark" about what Watchtower does to its members,... especially when those members wake up and want "outta there". I'm sorry for your loss and your continuing pain due to your children rejecting you. The slander from elders is jaw-dropping, especially when remembering times that we worked with those very elders.
Great discussion, Eric. My wife and I began awakening Dec 2021, with four children born in. They started soft shunning us early on at the direction of a “ loving elder “ that studied with us in the beginning.
I can just image the reaction of the 10 organizers in their headquarters in upstate New York ! They just finished watching in total secrecy your excellent video in their boardroom, behind closed doors. As it finished they rose from their seats and broke out in generous applause ! What followed was an hour long zoom meeting with Jesus, who had no objection to a new company name : Jehovah’s Pickets !
once I decided I couldn't play the fade game, I wrote a letter to disassociate...figuring if I just quit, they would be calling me anyway. What I regret about that is my impatience to get it done and over with...I wish I had taken the time to write to individuals as you recommend. The person I was closest to in the congregation did know the truth of why I left....so at least one person will know the truth of that besides the 3 men who called in spite of me telling them not to. They want to know why you are disassociating...I think they must be making reports to the org so the org can come up with counter strategy.
Good recommendations for leave the organization of the Jehovah witnesses dear brother Eric Wilson sorry for my English pronunciation in the past Sunday meeting I was having trouble with my mic now I am practicing my pronunciation with an app called elza speak I really excited to see you in the next meeting this Sunday i hope that my pronunciation be better now
I am an inactive sister who divorced her JW husband. They really don't care that I am not coming to the meetings. So I will just fade since I have no family that are JWs. I am so grateful that I don't have to deal with my family shunning me.
Another enlightened video. I am thankful that you keep doing these as you said people who have no knowledge of this organization can't understand how it affects a person's life. I was studying &those questions in the 'teach book' made me realize it's sort of a contract you are agreeing to& I wasn't sure I wanted to do that.
Thank you so much for this! I've been trying to figure out the best way to approach this with my family. This is a great template and starting point. I think it'll open the door for some real, open communication with my mom. Or it'll slam it shut. Either way, it puts the burden of proof in their court and they'll understand clearly where I stand and why. Again, thank you. You are a very big help to those trying to work their way out. Cheers!
That was excellent advice, Eric! To send letters to those they care about. It will bring a feeling of closure and some peace of mind that their friends and family know the real reason as to why they left. Otherwise, their friends will be left in the dark and bewildered, baffled as to why someone would decide to leave. This way, whether they agree or not, they will at least understand where the person who left is coming from, and know they are not abandoning God and Jesus, or a person who has committed a gross sin. It will do a lot to help the one who has left heal. I had an easy exist. I moved to another state and that was the end of that. I strongly suggest this method but know that not everyone can do it, but it's the easiest way by far. I was planning to move anyway so it was perfect timing! That was an excellent letter at the end Eric. The only thing I would have added in addition to what you said is the failed predictions, Watchtower history (mostly Rutherford) and the 607 BCE-1914 doctrine failure. Maybe my additions aren't necessary, but for me personally, when the correlation between 607 BCE and 1914 collapsed, I saw the entire house of cards come down. It had the greatest impact on me in terms of leaving, other than Jesus not being our mediator (according to the organization). The "Overlapping Generations" was the coup de gråce, the final straw, but it was the 607 BCE-1914 collapse that really did it for me.
You make some good points, DissidentFairy. It's important to make the letter your own, that it resonates with your voice, a point of view that your friends will recognize as your own.
Yes. Given that David Splane recently made the point about type and antitype, it's clear that Daniel Chapter 4 is a conversation between Almighty God and Nebuchadnezzar - that's it!. There's NO ANTITYPE, no basis for the 'seven times', 'a day for a year' and all that, leading to 1914. It all applied to Nebuchadnezzar, and him alone.
@@davidegral7152 I remember when I was a child, my father who was an elder, he made large impressive charts showing the correlation between 607 BCE and 1914. At that time, there was no disputing it, I was convinced the organization had the truth, and if my memory serves me right 539 BCE was used as another anchor point, a way to prove the correlation between the two dates as a back up. When I asked my father about 587 he said that JWs take the word of the Bible over modern day date-setters. He showed me from scripture how it all worked out to a science. I was impressed. The problem is with the advent of the internet it's impossible to dispute documented and historical dates clear back to the Babylonian era with thousands of cuneiform tablets. Then we have the astronomical data that points to 587. Then we have the failed prediction of 1914, so what's left? The only thing left is to believe that Jesus invisibly sat on his throne in 1914, and that was always hard to perceive of to begin with, but if all other dates and predictions had proven to be true, then I guess we could have accepted it along with the rest of it, but logically, Jesus of course, sat on his throne upon his resurrection. So to me the 607 BCE and 1914 doctrine was the glue that held the organization together and made us feel that we were the only ones who had the truth, and without it, it all came tumbling down, at least it did for me, along with several other things, but to me that was the Big one!
@@BeroeanPickets It was also prophesied that many of you apostates would abandon the true faith, and you are among the ones fulfilling prophesy. What you don't understand for lack of bible understanding about bible history is that by about 51 C.E., some in Thessalonica were wrongly predicting that “the presence” of the Lord Jesus was imminent. (2 Thess. 2:1, 2) By about 55 C.E., some in Corinth had rejected the clear Christian teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead. (1 Cor. 15:12) About 65 C.E., others said that the resurrection had already taken place, it being of a symbolic kind that living Christians experience.-2 Tim. 2:16-18. So through history there have always been unsatisfied apostates, complaining about the different "inconsistencies", and "erroneous dates and times" that would eventually end up getting clarified anyway, and along the way, apostates like you were bailing out from the road leading to everlasting life as prophesied. And until now Jehovah's Organization is still standing,,, WITH US,,,, OR WITHOUT US, whether we like it or not. Jehovah’s dealings with his servants in the past show that understanding of his purposes often comes gradually. Did that mean that because the past servants did not always come up with the correct understanding, or correct prediction it made them fake or false? Abraham did not know just how God’s promise regarding the “seed” would work out. Daniel did not understand the final outcome of his prophecies. John the Baptizer, who introduced the Messiah, later asked to be enlightened as to whether another was coming. Jesus himself did not know the day and hour of the “great tribulation.” The apostles had to learn progressively that the kingdom is heavenly and that Gentiles, too, may inherit it. It was only upon receiving the book of Revelation that the early Christians learned that Christ’s reign would be 1,000 years long and that he would have 144,000 joint heirs.
I'd been thinking of writing a letter of disassociation lately despite the fact that I've not attended a meeting in over 23 years. My local congregation has been dissolved & many of those I knew are dead. I made it verbally clear why I was leaving, but to my knowledge, I wasn't disfellowshipped. Your counsel in this video I find most wise. Should I decide to write such a letter (addressed to Warwick, since no one left locally to recieve it) I find your template shown here to be to the point, factual, Bible based, & considerate. IMO, a letter is more effective & powerful than the spoken word in that one can organize one's thoughts without interruption. The itemized format ammounts to a reasonable, tactful, but damning indictment of the major shortcomings of the organization. WTB&TS is "in to deep" for them to be moved to issue a "mia culpa", but a rejection of the Bible based points contained would demonstrate the hardness of their heart, & serve as a witness to truth! Without pursuing this video beyond the title, which begs for an incredulous response, it really provides an opportunity to sum up all ex-JW grevences and provides a comprehensive avenue to lovingly convey that to the Society. Thank you.
In the book of Act every one that got baptized was baptized in the name of Jesus. John the baptazer said the one that is coming after me will baptized you in Holy spirit The organization removed the spirit from the baptism I don't call it anymore Jehovah's organization It is a blasphemy to identify such organization with the Almighty God
Thank you so very much for the letter template. I have been struggling with putting my personal concerns together and your letter has given a good foundation to work on. Thank you so much! I have not been very religious since I became inactive but I thank God nonetheless for Christians like you who are the few who I truly believe are real Christians and doing what Jesus said to do. Please keep doing your work. You are helping many!
Just a word of warning, don't use the same file I used, but instead open a new Word document and do a copy and paste, so that your doc does not have the properties (including author's name) that comes with the original.
@@BeroeanPickets Thanks for the word of caution ⚠️. I was planning to copy and paste because to be honest using yours word for word feels like plagiarism and my conscience would kill me if I did that. 😄
Thanks for the information. One thing for sure is that we have to do what we have to do to “ get out of her” Rev18:4 “so as not to be punished with her”. Also we cannot eat and drink at the table of demons 1 Cor 10:20&21. Remember Jesus didn’t hold back from denouncing the religious leaders regardless of the consequences. Math 23:13-36. However being shunned is a terrible consequence so each of us must carefully weight our decisions. Writing a letter of disassociation is such a freeing feeling regardless of the announcement the org will make. Ultimately isn’t it what we want to no longer be “ one of Jehovah’s witnesses “. Thanks again.
I’m not a witness … my parents were and my sister still is a devout witness. I hope that she leaves this cult. She’s not speaking to me bc I told her that the org has a track record of shielding pedophiles and shunning victims. I told her the org itself is corrupt. She told me that I was talking about Jehova and hung up on me. That was over 4 weeks ago. I follow your channel bc your reasoning makes sense to me. This video is one of your best. Thank you! You do amazing work. Keep it up.
Thank you. You're sister's reaction is indicative of the problem. The Governing Body has done a terrific (or perhaps horrific would be a better term) job of causing all Witnesses to equate the Organization with Jehovah and Jehovah with the Organization. They cannot see the disparity this creates, indeed the blasphemy it represents. Jehovah, the supreme God of the universe put on the same level as an organization run by sinners.
@BeroeanPickets Now your reasoning doesn't make sense. Of course they equate the organization with Jehovah himself. They believe it to be the one he's using to accomplish his will on Earth. You can't simultaneously believe the organization is being used by God and NOT equate the two.
@@bobbycecere1037 You seem to be missing the obvious. Since the organization is NOT doing the will of God, they become synonymous with the Devil. “. . .Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to my word. You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me.” (John 8:43-45)
Dear Derek you have answered all my questions. Thankyou so much. Do you have any videos on daniel 7 and the book of revelation? I love your explanations. Thankyou
I was recently fooled by existing family members into attending the Sunday meeting which I politely declined when asked why I responded it was a wonderful feeling to be able to answer that without feeling any guilt whatsoever since I now know that there is no hold over me only in their mind is it that way the elders the governing body tonight's dictate my relationship with Jehovah and his son Jesus 🌝
Great information and we'll thought out! 👍 keep up the good work and I look forward to more. I do notice that you have no JW apologist doing damage control. Have a great day!
Hello brother Wilson, a great video just like always. I was wondering if one day you could please make a video on Ezekiel 1:14-28 about the so-called "chariot of God", as it would be a very interesting topic since it's seems such understanding it's not recent but already has several decades. My Jehovah God bless you, and keep up. Your brother, Alexei
Hey there Eric. These days I don't spend to much time in the "exjw cult" lol . As you would know it's not good to relive traumatic experiences of any sort. But there are those who use scripture from a Christian stand point as contrasted against the WT.... So I do tune in to these.... You have benefitted myself greatly in my personal Exodus. All the best to you Eric
Jws have NO need, reason, requirement or obligation to attend a "judicial" committee. It breaks my heart to see so many try to get understanding and help from their Gods so called organization, only to be shut out and abandoned. Thank you for sharing your research and wisdom. 💕
I was 14 years old when I got baptized, I had barely read the Bible, but pressure was put upon me to reach out to baptism. I was a VERY naieve child, who just wanted to be accepted. I am now 71 years old, and being a JW has damaged me emotionally, mentally and my health. I have to be a PIMO as I am disabled from an accident, and depend on my family for help .Some of the worst cruel, deceptive ,jealous, two faced people, were JW's and Elders. I brought my three sons up as JW's, they are unkind, unthankful, and I do not feel loved by them, even though I gave MY ALL, until there is nothing left - money, health and energy. I'm done with the lies and manipulation. I just keep a low profile, as I am mainly bedridden. Having said that we have a good bunch of Elders now in the three congs. in my area, but misled and of course treat the law of the GB as inspired.
I ended up having a conversation with my mom and brother. I tried reasoning with them on some logical conclusions about the 607 date. They just kept saying "what does it matter?".... I dig my heels in, politely. They asked me to write a letter to headquarters and ask for an explanation. So I'm sending a 12 page letter in the morning that I've spent a couple weeks on. I don't expect to get a response more than a call from the local elders. But I guess we'll see what happens.
When the elders come and put you through the ringer, you will have the basis to tell your mother and brother that equating Jehovah with the organization means that God doesn't like to be questioned. Not a good look. After all, if the organization has the truth from God, then they would have nothing to fear from being questioned. Jehovah doesn't punish people for asking questions, but men who are insecure sure do. After all, that is why the Pharisees killed Jesus, isn't it?
Hi, I'm a PIMO planning how i can leave discreetly as my family is in the 'truth'. As part of the process, I would like to approach my elders with this false doctrine. Could you mind share your findings that I can use to consolidate with my concerns on the subject?
I’ve had a hard time deciding to write a letter to my family especially knowing how heartbroken my mom would be, she just started pioneering and it took her more than 5 years to finally make that commitment and she has sacrificed a lot and I don’t want to be a burden or cause for her emotions to crumble and for her depression and anxiety to kick in. It’s so tough…. But no doubt the things you say in all your videos is very true. So far my wife is starting to understand my reasoning, but she is still fully invested in attending the meetings. And I also have my 2 sons to think about. I’m not saying that I’m gonna go back to the meetings, what I’m saying is that it is going to be hard for me to have 3 souls to convince. Not including my mom
Excellent list, please add these questions to your template, it would help tremendously trying to convince my family that they follow men, not God: A. Declaration of Facts B. Why are some who claim to be of the 144,000 married? Doesn't scripture say you must be virgin? C. Why do they baptize pre-teens? Wasn't Christ baptized in his 30s? D. Faithful and Discreet slave...why did they say it was Russell, then the Watchtower Society, then the 144,000, then the Governing Body? E. Why was there a cross on WTBTS pyramid next to Taze Russell grave? F. Why was the house on San Diego purchased by Rutherford? G. Who is responsible for countless lives lost when organ transplant and blood transfusion were forbidden? H. Why do JWs not help non JWs especially during global catastrophes if we were instructed to love each other? I. Why so many missed predictions?..... does Deutoronomy 18:22 apply then? J. Why such extreme approach from GB during the genocide in Malawi and the Cartilla situation in Mexico? Thank you. For all your hard work. Almost finished reading your book.
Finally I decided to be faithful to God rather than men. I told the elders that I no longer believe and I'm ready to leave. I know it's not going to be easy but I trust in our King Jesus Christ that I won't lack anything, and whatever I lose I will receive 100 times more. Thank you brother Eric and those who work with you to make this videos. You've give me the courage I lacked to position myself alongside Jehovah outside this wicked organisation. Let us continue to walk on the path of righteousness.
I have a question ,if Jehovahs witnesses do not exist anymore ,and they change there name to christian congregation of Jehovahs witnesses on 8-21-2000 ,and if a person was baptize before they they change there name ,how do they legally have a contract if they were not re baptize under there current name christian congregation of Jehovahs witnesses,should'nt that contract be void?
You offered really solid advise here. It's exactly what I did. I spoke honestly with one elder and one sister and told them why I left. I did not meet with anyone - I couldn't see the point of doing that. Especially with knowing which elders would be there - one being a manipulator and the other a sort-of bully. Now if I could just find a nice group of folks to study the bible with in my hometown but there are no churches here that are non-trinity. Well, there's one but they are actually just activists and don't study the bible at all. Thank you for all your hard work on these videos.
I hope that if there is such a group, you"ll find it. Or, I hope that you will be able to find a person or two with whom to read scriptures. Holy spirit will take over from there.
Oh dear dear Eric, thank you so much for this wonderful template. All the questions are spot on and I can finally start putting something together in letter form and pass on my heartfelt concerns to my friends and perhaps they can start thinking if they really have the so called truth.😊❤
Thank You for sharing your knowledge, method of study, letter of truth, and love of truth…for a newcomer stretching out of the WT stupor…I thought waking would be enough to travel forward..but alas, the tentacles of this WT monster are the slaves of the bird catcher ~ again Thanks to you and others sharing the map and true rest stops !!!
@darh337 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is a thrilling journey to find others who are finding true spiritual freedom in Christ and worshipping in spirit and truth. Mark 10: 29, 30. Your description of tentacles is so apt. If you would like to visit our zoom meetings, we study the Bible together with people committed to love of truth. beroeans.net/events
Man, I would like to say we all have been brain washed by these people. When I was introduced to them. I really thought this was the true religion. ( See my mother was baptised when I was very young and the person who studied with them, after my mums disfellowshipping would come a visit my father who wasn't baptised. ) And how I made really good friends there. I accepted what I heard was true. But I do remember my farther warn me" Are you sure you want to do this It takes great responsibility to be one of them." I have been searching for the truth And I believe I found it. I feel sorry for the ones who were my friends stuck, brain washed, by this society....
Elders in USA seems to be far more aggressive then here in Europe. For Europeans I can suggest using the GDPR privacy laws. Do the following: PIMO and fade for some time. Then contact your local congregation to send your publisher card to a remote congreation far away in your country. After you had confirmation that it has been sent (ignore their questions of why you want them to send it) then you can finally state to them and the new congregation that you withdraw your GDPR approval. By law they can not contact you as Elders / Org. Its not bulletproof, but it does works.
I've been watching several YT Chanels of Ex jws. I'm going through a difficult time right now. I've been doubting some jw doctrine. I've been batized for 12 years as a jw. But I honestly never before had put the effort to really read the bible entirely and in context until recently. I've come to the realization that some believes just don't make sense to me after reading and praying and meditatimg. And God knows I've been strugleling for quite some time now. Anyhow, I've come to the conclusion that every christian group or fellowship or denomination has good and bad. All of them. But when it comes to teaching the core doctrine I feel like jws are the ones who come close to bible truth. I'm talking about the distinction between the Father and the Son. That salvation is possible if we put faith in Jesus Christ and if we do God's will. Everything else is kinda a gray area. I believe that if for example the jws have wrong the matter of Jesus being Michael the archangel, or that only 144,000 are anointed and will go to Heaven, and the great crowd and the blood and all that. At the end of the day, I feel like Jesus knows our hearts. And he will be the judge of who is worthy of eternal life. I don't believe in my heart that if we have one matter wrong we will be condemned for eternal destruction. I do believe thouh that if we blasphemy against the spirit we will have no forgiveness of sin anymore. By this I mean, that we teach lies about God's character. And that we sin willingly after we have knowledge of God and Christ and if we go back on our promise to follow Christ. I'm not trying to come off as confrontational, I'm simply sharing my imput in the midst of speaking only what uplifts a d honors God. I love my jw brothers and sisters even the GB. If they do wrong they will have to answer to our Lord Jesus Christ. But we can't be over critical of everything they do and say because remember. Jesus say the same way you Judge will be judged. Let's spread love and kindnes. At the end of the day it is up to every individual to live accordingly to what the word of God says. If some want to submit completely to the GB its up to them. If ithers don't that's ok. As long as we don't start causing division. We can all come toghether and have difference of opinions.
You write: "As long as we don't start causing division. We can all come toghether and have difference of opinions." Now how would you balance that against these words of our Lord? “. . .Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. FOR I CAME TO CAUSE DIVISION, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39)
@@BeroeanPickets This is my understanding of this passage you mentioned. Jesus sent out his 12 apostles to preach only to the house of Israel. He's telling them that their brothers will hate them just like they hated Jesus himself. And I believe many Jews those days were afraid to follow Christ because they would get expelled from their community. So I think when Jesus sais that he came to cause division he meant that a jew household will have tribulation and the family would be divided because they wouldn't like the idea of a family member to become Jesus disciple. I don't see any parallel with causing division among Christian brothers. I could be wrong. Last night I was reading Romans chapters 12-15. I meditated deeply into these passages and I prayed to God. I want to please him.I don't want to stumble my brothers. There are spiritually weak and strong. What my conscience finds ok someone else may differ. I know we all have devotion towards God but we must be very careful not to overly think of ourselfs and impose our own conscience over others. God bless you my brother🙏
@@SalvarezP The GB impose their conscience over everybody else. The GB say that there are non-anointed Christians within Jehovah's Witnesses and that these non-anointed ones should not partake of the emblems. But the truth is that all Christians are anointed and should partake of the emblems. Telling this to other JW's would get you marked or disfellowshipped.
@@vintage6346 Unfortunately they do. I agree with you on this one😔 Proverbs 3: 5 Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight. 7 Do not become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad." I can't imagine what Jesus felt when his own people persecuted him and killed him. He suffered horribly. But he did not come to acccept glory from men. He came to suffer and to do God's will. At the eyes of men, he was a lier, a criminal. But at the eyes of God he was loyal. I'm not saying I have it all correct all I'm trying to say is that Christianity is not united. We are very well divided😔. No wonder there are numerous denominations. I wonder why? Could it be because of disagreements? 😥
Slow fade is especially great if you relocate and is gold !! Avoid any contact from elders or other meddlers in your business.. Shun them and move forward ⏩.. PIMO , Them POMO , adios ..🖐️🖐️🖐️🖐️
I am Catholic and frequently debated a J.W at work and found him to be genuine and caring but when confronted by these questions he would change the subject which is what I was told is a J.W tactic. Also they are not allowed to read anything or watch anything not approved by the organization . The Bible tells us we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God so you would have to shun each other if you go by the organizations teaching.
I genuinely appreciate your informative breakdown of great reasons to add to a disassociation letter. But, I doubt any Elder would take the time to read all the reasons why you are disassociating. They're trained to only read as far as they get a hint that it's a disassociation letter - and it ends there.
I am commenting for the first time here and I sporadically watch ex-JW content on YT. Having informed myself about the History of the org a fair bit and how it all started with CT Russell, I was wondering if you could make a video or comment on you views concerning the question in how far if at all Russell already kind of foreshadowed the totalitarian nature that the org should morph into fully under Rutherford and even more so under knorr who If I remember correctly set up the whole internal judicial system to systematically purge the org from the inside out and basically exercise and reign of terror through fear of getting disfellowshipped or as I like to call it purged. Russell to my knowledge was not claiming to be the head of any kind of organisation even rejecting that christians should organize formally, he did however identify himself as the faithful and wise slave so he probably at least indirectly expected to be obeyed when it came to important theology. As an atheist, I have no opinion on whether Russell was more bible-based than Rutherford or knorr, however I would enjoy hearing your opinion since you seem to be one of the very few activists who remained Christiand after leaving JW and even retained some of their uniquenesses. For example you still call god Jeova and If i got it right you reject the trinity. So how so you view Rusell? Was he a man of pure intentions to you whose good foundational work was abused by rutherford and Knorr to their own benefit or were his teachings already so erroneous and his view of himself and the role of the WT society so arrogant that it was inevitable that his movement would evolve to become a cult ?
Actually, there is an excellent book we published showing how the organization was taken over in a coup by Rutherford. On Amazon, you'll find it if you search for "Rutherford's Coup: The Watch Tower Succession Crisis of 1917 and Its Aftermath"
When I saw what was going on I didn't get the chance to leave the loving way at all.. After 47 years I just said I am not coming back and I split..... My last comment was that "not all brothers are brothers" And the claws came out! Hence my 10 years out with no regrets.....
@@BeroeanPickets Exactly so!.... Because after I left I heard that war break out among the ministerial servants as regards to who was greater than who....
@@errolcampbell6985 I'm happy for you that you left. Had you learned to think straight at some time before becoming a JW? If so, I'm thinking that might have helped you leave with no regrets. For "born ins", leaving Watchtower seems unthinkable.
@@vintage6346 Born in ... both my parents (now deceased) and 5 siblings.... But I've never failed being very observant all these years....I was an advocate of genuine whole hearted service, but then as I grew I realized that was far from the agenda of those I associated with for all these years.... and what was being preached was not what was being practiced. So I left before I met my demise....
@@errolcampbell6985, I was born in, too. I had long asked Jehovah to help me think straight, but that never seemed to happen. Well, no wonder! Who can think straight with all that pressure, manipulation, and coersion going on? It's wonderful to meet you here. I've partaken of the bread and wine. Now we can finally "...put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." Eph. 4: 24.
I was locked out of a Zoom meeting towards the end of the Thursday night meeting and I couldn't figure out why. The same thing happened on Sunday morning. I found out later that they made an announcement that I "disassociated" myself. I never did disassociate myself, because I still have friends. Since they refuse to talk to me with two witnesses present they clearly did not care enough to get to the bottom of my issue. Is this actionable because now I will be shunned ? He made sure that I did not hear the announcement that's why I was locked out of the meeting. Then he invited me to go to an in person meeting but I declined.
As to whether it is actionable, I assume you mean legally, because internally, it is rare that they will not side with the local elders. As to whether it is legally actionable, a lot depends on the local circumstances and the laws of the land.
@Beroean Pickets I would never seek justice within that cult, but lying on me and telling my friends that they can't talk to me when I have done nothing unscriptural is spiritual abuse. All I did was ask some questions and point out inconsistencies with their doctrine while they claim to be a bible based organization. One of my friends sounded so scared when she told me that she couldn't talk to me. She thanked me for being there for her throughout her cancer treatments. Nobody from the congregation was thinking about her.......I was the only support that she had. The fear that this cult instills in people is unreal.
@Los Bereanos I know that the cult took a few hits in Europe over the shunning issue, so I do believe that I have a case. I have no problems with them wanting to kick out of their cult but when they cross the line and try to tell Jehovah witness friends that they can't associate with me because I refuse to believe unscriptural doctrines or follow unscriptural policies, they are acting as a dictatorship. The witnesses do not "belong" to that organization and since I don't want to be a part of their cult, what makes them think that they have jurisdiction over my personal relationships/friendships? When Jesus said that the sheep will know the voice of their shepherd, the shepherd did not go to the sheep and tell them whose voice to listen to. We have free will for a reason. If my friends want to tell me to "kick rocks"........THAT IS THEIR DECISION TO MAKE !! It is not up to some sadistic, narcissistic, and power-hungry cult leader to decide !! .........They lied on the wrong person !!.........and.......that's.......just.......PERIOD !!
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@@BeroeanPickets When I click on the link to this video that I received on my email, I get an error message: 502 bad gateway. Also, I haven't received a youtube feed to my gmail for 8 days.
I have a dear friend who went through the same. He was essentially living on the street, but in his case, he was kicked out of home for becoming a Jehovah's Witness. Did the Witnesses take him in? No. Now he is one of us, a child of God, and the Lord is with him.
i believe this is a sincere effort trying to help most witnesses however per what i have realized most ex jws or ex watchtower have taken this opportunity to harbor resentment, ridicule, make fun and present insults against the organization. Is this the spirit of Christ? The awakening most people claim has resulted in another form of spiritual slumber. This is the time we have to encourage our brothers to pray about situation more not to make it our priority to encourage them to leave. Or is this what we want to see witnesses leaving the organization each of them with divided opinions on scripture. It's not difficult for the adversary to reveal certain basic truth to us to prepare us for the stage of speaking in our own authority just like our alma matter.
You just lied about the issue a shunning. There are absolutely scriptures that describe a Christian disassociating with someone who was once a Believer who now practices sin. (1 Corinthians 5:11)
@BeroeanPickets Not sinning? How could you possibly know whether someone is sinning or not? Simply getting involved in a sexual relationship outside of marriage would be enough of a sin for that scriptural text to apply. And you know that! How widely prevalent do you think adultery and fornication is in our culture? Am I supposed to believe that you think people who leave the witnesses are going to hold onto the sexual morals? What reason would they have to do so?
@@BeroeanPickets Either way, the witnesses don't disfellowship former believers who choose to disassociate. Not until they know for sure that person is now practicing some form of gross sin. Maybe you don't know the witnesses as well as you think.
@@bobbycecere1037 Now, what you write is a false statement. I don't say you are lying, because you may just be very poorly informed. I served as an elder for 40 years, in three countries. I have attended all the elders schools from the mid 1970 to my last five-day school in 2011, so I know both the written law and the oral law that JWs practice. Further, the ks book makes it clear that if someone resigns from the organization, even if they are living a clean life free from the works of the flesh, they are to be treated as a disfellowshipped person and totally shunned. Even their closest relatives are expected to shun them.
@@BeroeanPickets I left just disassociated, just stopped going. Did not go around vilifying JW afterwards. One thing I did realise - where would you go? Christendom - I think not. Shunning is nothing new. Gen kicked out of garden of eden, Cain banished. Paul did write not to greet, eat or associate with such a person. You reap what you sow dont u?
This is nuts. The fact that you've held on to their teachings proves you believe them to be scripturally correct. And that of course indicates that, unlike the rest of nominal Christianity who got pretty much everything wrong, they have God's holy spirit. Where exactly would you go? I have no doubt Jehovah would use an organization on Earth to accomplish his will with regards to the preaching work, and it would no doubt mirror the Christian Congregation of the first two centuries. So what organization is it? Where do I find it?
What teachings are you accusing me of holding on to? I don't think you watched the video at all. Interesting that you say, "unlike the rest of nominal Christianity." That little Freudian slip indicates you subconsciously know that JWs are part of "nominal Christianity". I don't accept your premise. There is nothing in Scripture indicating that Jehovah would use "an organization" to accomplish his will.
@BeroeanPickets Fact check false. An organizing effort to preach the gospel is exactly what happened in the early centuries. They built congregations. They had bodies of Elders. Why wouldn't modern era Christianity resemble that model?
@@bobbycecere1037 You are correct in saying that modern Christianity should follow the model of first-century Christianity. What you fail to see due to the power of GB indoctrination is that that model doesn't support the idea of an organization run by a Governing Body that makes the rules and demands obedience and loyalty, not to God, but to men. Jesus was the head of the first-century congregation and continues to be the head of true Christians today. Being orderly doesn't mean we have to belong to an organization. We belong to Christ. (1 Cor. 3:21, 22) But if you wish to follow men and not Christ, that is your choice. If you wish to believe in lies like a 1914 invisible presence of Christ, a 1918 resurrection of the anointed, a 1919 appointment of the Governing Body as the Faithful Slave, and the creation of a secondary salvation hope for non-anointed Christians without Jesus as their mediator in 1934 by Rutherford, that is your right. If it offends you that I take it as my duty before God to expose those lies and the gross hypocrisy of a group of men who self-proclaim their appointment as God's channel of communication while violating Christian neutrality by engaging in a 10-year affiliation with the UN as an NGO, well, there is little I can do about that, because to remain silent is to give tacit approval to their harmful actions. Jesus said that we are either for him or against him. There is no middle ground. Answer me this: If I can show you a scripture where Jesus tells you to do something that goes against what the Governing Body tells you to do, which command would you obey?
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My brother, my heart is filled with gratitude, deep love and happiness for the love you have for our heavenly Father, and Son, and for the brothers and sisters in the faith. You spend much time to help us, always with a humble spirit. I wish you could sense how deeply I appreciate your spiritual insight.
Thank you. I truly appreciate such encouraging words.
@@BeroeanPickets Your reference to the doctrine of the overlapping generation is of paramount importance.
Jesus essentially mentioned two events in His end-time speech, namely the destruction of the city of Jerusalem or the temple and His future parousia or return.
With the term "these things" Jesus therefore had these two events in mind.
The first of these two events is proven to have taken place in 70 AD. The second event, the parousia or return of Christ, is yet to come, contrary to the teaching of the organization.
This prediction results in a start date of 70 AD, not 1914.
If Jesus had used the term "this generation" in the sense of a person's ordinary lifespan, the second of these two events should have taken place in the 1st century.
In this respect, I believe that the question arises as to how the term 'generation' should be interpreted. According to 1 Corinthians 15:50-52, Paul prophesied in the name of the Lord that Christians would still live on earth until Christ's return.
@@MR-gx3gc Or, "these things" could refer to all the things he'd spoken about. His disciples raised the question of his presence. He didn't. He spoke of the destruction of Jerusalem. Consider Matthew 23:33-24:2.
Wow, I wish I had known these things when I left. I just called the elders, confronted them about the constant changing of doctrine,particularly the blood issue , and this made them blood guilty. Also how they were protecting paedophiles. Had to write a letter as you described,did not know why but I complied. Didn't have any other family members who were in ,so the shunning is no problem . Glad to be free. Thank you for your words of wisdom.
Fading ! Best way and that’s what I did and my parents didn’t have to shun me! Win win (I was born into it and left age 40 - best decision of my life)
Thank you, brother Eric.
When I was baptized, I did not assume that I was signing a contract with an organization, although, in fact, it turned out that way; it is more like a human contract with a human organization, therefore there is no true Christian Freedom and true love, but only instructions and dogmas of a small group of people that have nothing to do with God and Christ.
Well said
Is a business enterprise, hide in "religion". The "religion" thing is only a cover and the money is taken from its members.
Ha!
Now you do have freedom.
One can say that your road is Broad.
I feel the same way as Lilya!
Thank you for this video it's been very helpful for me!
Don’t forget to record your judicial committee if you go and ask questions, the elders won’t be listening to your arguments no matter how clear and reasonable they are, you already become and enemy for them, because you dare to think for yourself something that the GB absolutely hates!
As always Eric, you are spot on! Thank you for this video. I love you bunches my dear brother. 😊❤️
@@nolongerconfused6284 you are commenting on my comment 😂😂😂
@@moygonzalez239 oops, I'm sorry! 😁
@@nolongerconfused6284 no worries 😊
After 50 years of wrestling with all the things you describe in your videos, I find this discussion a truly honorable and loving advice.
Just slip out the back Jack. Make a new plan Stan. No need to be coy Roy just get yourself free. 😉
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I hit comments to leave a quote from Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover but saw you had. Great Minds right?
@@dannycasey8261 I was a weird kid. My parents were in to Marvin Gaye and the Supremes. I however would venture over to the AM dial from time to time.
Very well explanation on matters that I wondered about over the years ... Thank you brother for your hard work for all of us
Thanks and welcome
Because full and open disclosure was not given as to the (accurate representation) nature of the Watchtower society and its subsidiary corporations, You have a right to rescind the contract.
Thank you Brother Eric for your time and effort to lovingly direct honest hearted people.
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I found your channel through JT and Lady Cee interviewing you. Much love and mad respect to you and your channel. Thumbs Up and shared. A++++++
Thanks and welcome
Well done Eric and some really sound recommendations to those who are thinking of leaving but are not sure how to go about doing so.
Thank you my brother Eric, that letter covered every base, it was complete and with questions for them to answer. I wrote my letter 5 months back and I was not as complete as you were and loving with your words you truly are a loving brother. But I did take your suggestions of sending it to all the ones that I love when I sent it to the elders the very same night so they all got to know my feelings on the matter. Keep up your thoughtful work Eric you are such a help to so many, I always look forward to your next subject matter. Once again I thank you.
I can't find promised of of a new world or a promised of a paradise earth in the bible.
Love it! My third generation JW family tell me I put more store on the bible & the Creator than the words of the watchtower!!!!🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂🤷♂
Such reasoning is incredible, isn't it? Especially coming from people claiming to have "the truth".
A veiled complement for you, & tacit admission of error on the part if your family.
🤔???????????????!! 2 Corinthians 3:12-18 ,2 Corinthians 4:1-6
As always Eric, you are spot on! Thank you for this video. I love you bunches my dear brother. 😊❤️
Great Job Eric Blessed Critical Thinking
Spreading such a letter to the people in your congregation will 100% lead you to be disfellowshipped for apostasy. And it's a loud and hard exit which will make you extremely difficult to be reinstated because the influences of the "apostasy" are wide. And you will be shunned to the extreme. It's a great choice if you have no intention of going back and associating with your families ever again. For many others, they may still want some form of contact between them and their families, so fading is still the best option in my opinion, though it still entails soft shunning. But thank you very much for this video, Eric.I dowloaded the template as a reference. I myself disassociated myself last year, I had no families in the cult so I chose a clean break.
You really have open my eyes Eric. Thanks for all the research and hard work that you put into this.
Excellent video! Thank you Eric.. I share your feelings about writing a letter to the elders. Everyone must do what's best for them. Personally, I'm not interested in meeting with them, playing their games or following their protocols. The days of having every part of my life including my decisions being controlled by a group of men are over. Just finished reading your book, by far one of the most comprehensive and illuminating exposes into the cult of jw's I've ever read. Every jw should read it!
High praise indeed. Thank you. I'm now working on producing a version for Audible listeners.
Brilliant advice ❤ thank you! That letter is very helpful 🎉
Amazing letter!
You just slip out the back, Jack
Make a new plan, Stan
You don’t need to be coy, Roy
Just get yourself free
Hop on the bus, Gus
You don’t need to discuss much
Just drop off the key, Lee
And get yourself free
It's that simple, Simon.
Luke 21:14, 15:
14 So make up your mind not to worry beforehand how to defend yourselves. 15 For I will give you speech and wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to resist or contradict.
That was very good information. It was timely. Thank you for composing and sharing that letter. Many feel trepidation at the prospect of composing such an important letter. Those who want to write a letter to the elders and Watchtower will be more at ease with the help of the letter you suggest. There is a growing number of PIMOS. With the help you've given, there may be a surge in the number of POMOS! We want association with our old friends again. We pray for their liberation from Watchtower, so that they can join us in true worship.
Well put, Vintage.
My wife and I woke up in Dec. 2021 and our four born in children started soft shunning us because they were warned by a “ loving elder” so they could protect themselves . He’s quite a rat! We went to a lawyer, crafted a letter of warning to elders and CO reminding them to avoid slandering our name. Fast forward to one year, we text messaged the elders granting them permission and specific request to announce our names as no longer members. It gave us time to establish our reputation and support system for our mission to support all the ones like us in our area being shunned and seeking to get out and needing support. We are very visible and vocal about it. Everyone seeking exit has a very unique circumstance that they have to deal with. The combined exchange of a loving support group makes a very bad situation bearable. Anyone associated with that organization will suffer loss. Each person has to arrive at that decision model to their satisfaction. There is no easy prescriptions for it, but escape is preferable to remaining in that extremely toxic organization. The best healing therapy is helping others to make that change.
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The idea of obtaining legal advice used to be nearly unheard of. Before the CSA cases, I think that lawyers and psychologists were mostly "in the dark" about what Watchtower does to its members,... especially when those members wake up and want "outta there". I'm sorry for your loss and your continuing pain due to your children rejecting you. The slander from elders is jaw-dropping, especially when remembering times that we worked with those very elders.
3:38 to 3:41 “Watchtower liars, sorry, lawyers…” 😮😮😮 Brilliant!!!!!👍👍👍
Great discussion, Eric. My wife and I began awakening Dec 2021, with four children born in. They started soft shunning us early on at the direction of a “ loving elder “ that studied with us in the beginning.
I can just image the reaction of the 10 organizers in their headquarters in upstate New York ! They just finished watching in total secrecy your excellent video in their boardroom, behind closed doors. As it finished they rose from their seats and broke out in generous applause ! What followed was an hour long zoom meeting with Jesus, who had no objection to a new company name : Jehovah’s Pickets !
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once I decided I couldn't play the fade game, I wrote a letter to disassociate...figuring if I just quit, they would be calling me anyway. What I regret about that is my impatience to get it done and over with...I wish I had taken the time to write to individuals as you recommend. The person I was closest to in the congregation did know the truth of why I left....so at least one person will know the truth of that besides the 3 men who called in spite of me telling them not to. They want to know why you are disassociating...I think they must be making reports to the org so the org can come up with counter strategy.
You can still write your letter, and if they don't read it, it will be on them.
Good recommendations for leave the organization of the Jehovah witnesses dear brother Eric Wilson sorry for my English pronunciation in the past Sunday meeting I was having trouble with my mic now I am practicing my pronunciation with an app called elza speak I really excited to see you in the next meeting this Sunday i hope that my pronunciation be better now
This is really so invaluable, thank you so much.
I am an inactive sister who divorced her JW husband. They really don't care that I am not coming to the meetings. So I will just fade since I have no family that are JWs. I am so grateful that I don't have to deal with my family shunning me.
We'll talk some time, Bettye Boop. WT sabotaged me for years, pretending to "straighten me out".
@@vintage6346 Don't let the Wt destroy the rest of your life. If you need therapy get it, get an education, or a better job. Move on and be happy.
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I didn't ask for advice.
@@vintage6346 Sorry about that.
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Thank you.
Thank you Eric, for your help.
That's what we did Eric, with our letters.
Superb template letter, thank you!
You're very welcome!
Another enlightened video. I am thankful that you keep doing these as you said people who have no knowledge of this organization can't understand how it affects a person's life. I was studying &those questions in the 'teach book' made me realize it's sort of a contract you are agreeing to& I wasn't sure I wanted to do that.
Thank you Eric.
Very welcome
God is Love Support and Love All Unconditionally
Thank you so much for this! I've been trying to figure out the best way to approach this with my family. This is a great template and starting point. I think it'll open the door for some real, open communication with my mom. Or it'll slam it shut. Either way, it puts the burden of proof in their court and they'll understand clearly where I stand and why. Again, thank you. You are a very big help to those trying to work their way out. Cheers!
That was excellent advice, Eric! To send letters to those they care about. It will bring a feeling of closure and some peace of mind that their friends and family know the real reason as to why they left. Otherwise, their friends will be left in the dark and bewildered, baffled as to why someone would decide to leave. This way, whether they agree or not, they will at least understand where the person who left is coming from, and know they are not abandoning God and Jesus, or a person who has committed a gross sin. It will do a lot to help the one who has left heal. I had an easy exist. I moved to another state and that was the end of that. I strongly suggest this method but know that not everyone can do it, but it's the easiest way by far. I was planning to move anyway so it was perfect timing!
That was an excellent letter at the end Eric. The only thing I would have added in addition to what you said is the failed predictions, Watchtower history (mostly Rutherford) and the 607 BCE-1914 doctrine failure. Maybe my additions aren't necessary, but for me personally, when the correlation between 607 BCE and 1914 collapsed, I saw the entire house of cards come down. It had the greatest impact on me in terms of leaving, other than Jesus not being our mediator (according to the organization). The "Overlapping Generations" was the coup de gråce, the final straw, but it was the 607 BCE-1914 collapse that really did it for me.
You make some good points, DissidentFairy. It's important to make the letter your own, that it resonates with your voice, a point of view that your friends will recognize as your own.
@@BeroeanPickets Thanks Eric. Your letter is excellent.
Yes. Given that David Splane recently made the point about type and antitype, it's clear that Daniel Chapter 4 is a conversation between Almighty God and Nebuchadnezzar - that's it!. There's NO ANTITYPE, no basis for the 'seven times', 'a day for a year' and all that, leading to 1914. It all applied to Nebuchadnezzar, and him alone.
@@davidegral7152 I remember when I was a child, my father who was an elder, he made large impressive charts showing the correlation between 607 BCE and 1914. At that time, there was no disputing it, I was convinced the organization had the truth, and if my memory serves me right 539 BCE was used as another anchor point, a way to prove the correlation between the two dates as a back up. When I asked my father about 587 he said that JWs take the word of the Bible over modern day date-setters. He showed me from scripture how it all worked out to a science. I was impressed.
The problem is with the advent of the internet it's impossible to dispute documented and historical dates clear back to the Babylonian era with thousands of cuneiform tablets. Then we have the astronomical data that points to 587. Then we have the failed prediction of 1914, so what's left? The only thing left is to believe that Jesus invisibly sat on his throne in 1914, and that was always hard to perceive of to begin with, but if all other dates and predictions had proven to be true, then I guess we could have accepted it along with the rest of it, but logically, Jesus of course, sat on his throne upon his resurrection. So to me the 607 BCE and 1914 doctrine was the glue that held the organization together and made us feel that we were the only ones who had the truth, and without it, it all came tumbling down, at least it did for me, along with several other things, but to me that was the Big one!
@@BeroeanPickets It was also prophesied that many of you apostates would abandon the true faith, and you are among the ones fulfilling prophesy. What you don't understand for lack of bible understanding about bible history is that by about 51 C.E., some in Thessalonica were wrongly predicting that “the presence” of the Lord Jesus was imminent. (2 Thess. 2:1, 2) By about 55 C.E., some in Corinth had rejected the clear Christian teaching regarding the resurrection of the dead. (1 Cor. 15:12) About 65 C.E., others said that the resurrection had already taken place, it being of a symbolic kind that living Christians experience.-2 Tim. 2:16-18. So through history there have always been unsatisfied apostates, complaining about the different "inconsistencies", and "erroneous dates and times" that would eventually end up getting clarified anyway, and along the way, apostates like you were bailing out from the road leading to everlasting life as prophesied. And until now Jehovah's Organization is still standing,,, WITH US,,,, OR WITHOUT US, whether we like it or not. Jehovah’s dealings with his servants in the past show that understanding of his purposes often comes gradually. Did that mean that because the past servants did not always come up with the correct understanding, or correct prediction it made them fake or false? Abraham did not know just how God’s promise regarding the “seed” would work out. Daniel did not understand the final outcome of his prophecies. John the Baptizer, who introduced the Messiah, later asked to be enlightened as to whether another was coming. Jesus himself did not know the day and hour of the “great tribulation.” The apostles had to learn progressively that the kingdom is heavenly and that Gentiles, too, may inherit it. It was only upon receiving the book of Revelation that the early Christians learned that Christ’s reign would be 1,000 years long and that he would have 144,000 joint heirs.
HalleluYah Amen Blessed Truth 💯
Great information Eric, thank you.
I'd been thinking of writing a letter of disassociation lately despite the fact that I've not attended a meeting in over 23 years. My local congregation has been dissolved & many of those I knew are dead. I made it verbally clear why I was leaving, but to my knowledge, I wasn't disfellowshipped. Your counsel in this video I find most wise. Should I decide to write such a letter (addressed to Warwick, since no one left locally to recieve it) I find your template shown here to be to the point, factual, Bible based, & considerate. IMO, a letter is more effective & powerful than the spoken word in that one can organize one's thoughts without interruption. The itemized format ammounts to a reasonable, tactful, but damning indictment of the major shortcomings of the organization. WTB&TS is "in to deep" for them to be moved to issue a "mia culpa", but a rejection of the Bible based points contained would demonstrate the hardness of their heart, & serve as a witness to truth! Without pursuing this video beyond the title, which begs for an incredulous response, it really provides an opportunity to sum up all ex-JW grevences and provides a comprehensive avenue to lovingly convey that to the Society. Thank you.
In the book of Act every one that got baptized was baptized in the name of Jesus.
John the baptazer said the one that is coming after me will baptized you in Holy spirit
The organization removed the spirit from the baptism
I don't call it anymore Jehovah's organization
It is a blasphemy to identify such organization with the Almighty God
Thank you so very much for the letter template. I have been struggling with putting my personal concerns together and your letter has given a good foundation to work on. Thank you so much! I have not been very religious since I became inactive but I thank God nonetheless for Christians like you who are the few who I truly believe are real Christians and doing what Jesus said to do. Please keep doing your work. You are helping many!
Just a word of warning, don't use the same file I used, but instead open a new Word document and do a copy and paste, so that your doc does not have the properties (including author's name) that comes with the original.
@@BeroeanPickets Thanks for the word of caution ⚠️. I was planning to copy and paste because to be honest using yours word for word feels like plagiarism and my conscience would kill me if I did that. 😄
Thanks for the information. One thing for sure is that we have to do what we have to do to “ get out of her” Rev18:4 “so as not to be punished with her”. Also we cannot eat and drink at the table of demons 1 Cor 10:20&21. Remember Jesus didn’t hold back from denouncing the religious leaders regardless of the consequences. Math 23:13-36. However being shunned is a terrible consequence so each of us must carefully weight our decisions. Writing a letter of disassociation is such a freeing feeling regardless of the announcement the org will make. Ultimately isn’t it what we want to no longer be “ one of Jehovah’s witnesses “. Thanks again.
God Bless You Eric
May He bless all of us who seek Him in truth and in spirit.
I’m not a witness … my parents were and my sister still is a devout witness. I hope that she leaves this cult. She’s not speaking to me bc I told her that the org has a track record of shielding pedophiles and shunning victims. I told her the org itself is corrupt. She told me that I was talking about Jehova and hung up on me. That was over 4 weeks ago.
I follow your channel bc your reasoning makes sense to me. This video is one of your best. Thank you! You do amazing work. Keep it up.
Thank you. You're sister's reaction is indicative of the problem. The Governing Body has done a terrific (or perhaps horrific would be a better term) job of causing all Witnesses to equate the Organization with Jehovah and Jehovah with the Organization. They cannot see the disparity this creates, indeed the blasphemy it represents. Jehovah, the supreme God of the universe put on the same level as an organization run by sinners.
@@BeroeanPickets so very true!
@@joallg Yet they cannot see that they are worshipping an idol
@BeroeanPickets
Now your reasoning doesn't make sense. Of course they equate the organization with Jehovah himself.
They believe it to be the one he's using to accomplish his will on Earth.
You can't simultaneously believe the organization is being used by God and NOT equate the two.
@@bobbycecere1037 You seem to be missing the obvious. Since the organization is NOT doing the will of God, they become synonymous with the Devil.
“. . .Why do you not understand what I am saying? Because you cannot listen to my word. You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me.” (John 8:43-45)
Dear Derek you have answered all my questions. Thankyou so much. Do you have any videos on daniel 7 and the book of revelation? I love your explanations. Thankyou
Not yet. You have to learn to crawl before you can walk. :)
You can write an email to all of your JW friends why you left the organization. So they can decide for themselves to read your letter. :-)
I was recently fooled by existing family members into attending the Sunday meeting which I politely declined when asked why I responded it was a wonderful feeling to be able to answer that without feeling any guilt whatsoever since I now know that there is no hold over me only in their mind is it that way the elders the governing body tonight's dictate my relationship with Jehovah and his son Jesus 🌝
Great information and we'll thought out! 👍 keep up the good work and I look forward to more. I do notice that you have no JW apologist doing damage control. Have a great day!
My favorite Holy Scriptures is the WEB= World English Bible and the TLV= Tree of Life Version... your WORD IS TRUTH!
Hello brother Wilson, a great video just like always. I was wondering if one day you could please make a video on Ezekiel 1:14-28 about the so-called "chariot of God", as it would be a very interesting topic since it's seems such understanding it's not recent but already has several decades. My Jehovah God bless you, and keep up.
Your brother, Alexei
Good idea. In the mean time, there's this article on the subject: beroeans.net/2017/01/09/do-you-highly-esteem-jehovahs-own-book/
SUPERLATIVE!!! GREAT LETTER OF DEPARTURE!!!!
Hey there Eric. These days I don't spend to much time in the "exjw cult" lol . As you would know it's not good to relive traumatic experiences of any sort. But there are those who use scripture from a Christian stand point as contrasted against the WT.... So I do tune in to these.... You have benefitted myself greatly in my personal Exodus. All the best to you Eric
Loved the reference to Hotel California Eric 😄 Good on ya .
Another good one Eric .👍
Hi Derek I enjoy all your talks. Have you got any on daniel 7 and the book of revelations?
Jws have NO need, reason, requirement or obligation to attend a "judicial" committee. It breaks my heart to see so many try to get understanding and help from their Gods so called organization, only to be shut out and abandoned. Thank you for sharing your research and wisdom. 💕
Great job
I was 14 years old when I got baptized, I had barely read the Bible, but pressure was put upon me to reach out to baptism. I was a VERY naieve child, who just wanted to be accepted. I am now 71 years old, and being a JW has damaged me emotionally, mentally and my health. I have to be a PIMO as I am disabled from an accident, and depend on my family for help .Some of the worst cruel, deceptive ,jealous, two faced people, were JW's and Elders. I brought my three sons up as JW's, they are unkind, unthankful, and I do not feel loved by them, even though I gave MY ALL, until there is nothing left - money, health and energy. I'm done with the lies and manipulation. I just keep a low profile, as I am mainly bedridden. Having said that we have a good bunch of Elders now in the three congs. in my area, but misled and of course treat the law of the GB as inspired.
I ended up having a conversation with my mom and brother. I tried reasoning with them on some logical conclusions about the 607 date. They just kept saying "what does it matter?".... I dig my heels in, politely. They asked me to write a letter to headquarters and ask for an explanation. So I'm sending a 12 page letter in the morning that I've spent a couple weeks on. I don't expect to get a response more than a call from the local elders. But I guess we'll see what happens.
When the elders come and put you through the ringer, you will have the basis to tell your mother and brother that equating Jehovah with the organization means that God doesn't like to be questioned. Not a good look. After all, if the organization has the truth from God, then they would have nothing to fear from being questioned. Jehovah doesn't punish people for asking questions, but men who are insecure sure do. After all, that is why the Pharisees killed Jesus, isn't it?
Hi, I'm a PIMO planning how i can leave discreetly as my family is in the 'truth'. As part of the process, I would like to approach my elders with this false doctrine. Could you mind share your findings that I can use to consolidate with my concerns on the subject?
Well done 👏 again Eric, your loving brother and one of Christ' brothers and a child of Jehovah successfully faded.
I’ve had a hard time deciding to write a letter to my family especially knowing how heartbroken my mom would be, she just started pioneering and it took her more than 5 years to finally make that commitment and she has sacrificed a lot and I don’t want to be a burden or cause for her emotions to crumble and for her depression and anxiety to kick in. It’s so tough…. But no doubt the things you say in all your videos is very true. So far my wife is starting to understand my reasoning, but she is still fully invested in attending the meetings. And I also have my 2 sons to think about. I’m not saying that I’m gonna go back to the meetings, what I’m saying is that it is going to be hard for me to have 3 souls to convince. Not including my mom
Excellent list, please add these questions to your template, it would help tremendously trying to convince my family that they follow men, not God:
A. Declaration of Facts
B. Why are some who claim to be of the 144,000 married? Doesn't scripture say you must be virgin?
C. Why do they baptize pre-teens? Wasn't Christ baptized in his 30s?
D. Faithful and Discreet slave...why did they say it was Russell, then the Watchtower Society, then the 144,000, then the Governing Body?
E. Why was there a cross on WTBTS pyramid next to Taze Russell grave?
F. Why was the house on San Diego purchased by Rutherford?
G. Who is responsible for countless lives lost when organ transplant and blood transfusion were forbidden?
H. Why do JWs not help non JWs especially during global catastrophes if we were instructed to love each other?
I. Why so many missed predictions?..... does Deutoronomy 18:22 apply then?
J. Why such extreme approach from GB during the genocide in Malawi and the Cartilla situation in Mexico?
Thank you. For all your hard work. Almost finished reading your book.
Finally I decided to be faithful to God rather than men. I told the elders that I no longer believe and I'm ready to leave. I know it's not going to be easy but I trust in our King Jesus Christ that I won't lack anything, and whatever I lose I will receive 100 times more.
Thank you brother Eric and those who work with you to make this videos. You've give me the courage I lacked to position myself alongside Jehovah outside this wicked organisation.
Let us continue to walk on the path of righteousness.
I have a question ,if Jehovahs witnesses do not exist anymore ,and they change there name to christian congregation of Jehovahs witnesses on 8-21-2000 ,and if a person was baptize before they they change there name ,how do they legally have a contract if they were not re baptize under there current name christian congregation of Jehovahs witnesses,should'nt that contract be void?
An excellent question. I don't have the answer, but it sure seems that way to me.
@@BeroeanPickets Thxs
You offered really solid advise here. It's exactly what I did. I spoke honestly with one elder and one sister and told them why I left. I did not meet with anyone - I couldn't see the point of doing that. Especially with knowing which elders would be there - one being a manipulator and the other a sort-of bully. Now if I could just find a nice group of folks to study the bible with in my hometown but there are no churches here that are non-trinity. Well, there's one but they are actually just activists and don't study the bible at all. Thank you for all your hard work on these videos.
I hope that if there is such a group, you"ll find it. Or, I hope that you will be able to find a person or two with whom to read scriptures. Holy spirit will take over from there.
In the mean time, why not join us online at beroeans.net/events/
Bardzo ceniłam w początkach mojego wybudzania twoje podkasty Teraz nie ma tłumaczenia i bardzo żałuję że nie mam jak posłuchać
Oh dear dear Eric, thank you so much for this wonderful template. All the questions are spot on and I can finally start putting something together in letter form and pass on my heartfelt concerns to my friends and perhaps they can start thinking if they really have the so called truth.😊❤
That is what i have done, most gratifying to say the least.
Thank You for sharing your knowledge, method of study, letter of truth, and love of truth…for a newcomer stretching out of the WT stupor…I thought waking would be enough to travel forward..but alas, the tentacles of this WT monster are the slaves of the bird catcher ~ again Thanks to you and others sharing the map and true rest stops !!!
@darh337 - Thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is a thrilling journey to find others who are finding true spiritual freedom in Christ and worshipping in spirit and truth. Mark 10: 29, 30. Your description of tentacles is so apt. If you would like to visit our zoom meetings, we study the Bible together with people committed to love of truth. beroeans.net/events
"Just slip out the back, Jack, Make a new plan Stan, You dont have to be coy Roy.....just get yourself free.
Man, I would like to say we all have been brain washed by these people. When I was introduced to them. I really thought this was the true religion. ( See my mother was baptised when I was very young and the person who studied with them, after my mums disfellowshipping would come a visit my father who wasn't baptised. )
And how I made really good friends there. I accepted what I heard was true. But I do remember my farther warn me" Are you sure you want to do this It takes great responsibility to be one of them." I have been searching for the truth And I believe I found it. I feel sorry for the ones who were my friends stuck, brain washed, by this society....
Thank you for this letter! I need to plagiarize this ASAP.
Elders in USA seems to be far more aggressive then here in Europe.
For Europeans I can suggest using the GDPR privacy laws.
Do the following: PIMO and fade for some time. Then contact your local congregation to send your publisher card to a remote congreation far away in your country.
After you had confirmation that it has been sent (ignore their questions of why you want them to send it) then you can finally state to them and the new congregation that you withdraw your GDPR approval.
By law they can not contact you as Elders / Org.
Its not bulletproof, but it does works.
I've been watching several YT Chanels of Ex jws. I'm going through a difficult time right now. I've been doubting some jw doctrine. I've been batized for 12 years as a jw. But I honestly never before had put the effort to really read the bible entirely and in context until recently. I've come to the realization that some believes just don't make sense to me after reading and praying and meditatimg. And God knows I've been strugleling for quite some time now. Anyhow, I've come to the conclusion that every christian group or fellowship or denomination has good and bad. All of them. But when it comes to teaching the core doctrine I feel like jws are the ones who come close to bible truth. I'm talking about the distinction between the Father and the Son. That salvation is possible if we put faith in Jesus Christ and if we do God's will. Everything else is kinda a gray area. I believe that if for example the jws have wrong the matter of Jesus being Michael the archangel, or that only 144,000 are anointed and will go to Heaven, and the great crowd and the blood and all that. At the end of the day, I feel like Jesus knows our hearts. And he will be the judge of who is worthy of eternal life. I don't believe in my heart that if we have one matter wrong we will be condemned for eternal destruction. I do believe thouh that if we blasphemy against the spirit we will have no forgiveness of sin anymore. By this I mean, that we teach lies about God's character. And that we sin willingly after we have knowledge of God and Christ and if we go back on our promise to follow Christ. I'm not trying to come off as confrontational, I'm simply sharing my imput in the midst of speaking only what uplifts a d honors God. I love my jw brothers and sisters even the GB. If they do wrong they will have to answer to our Lord Jesus Christ. But we can't be over critical of everything they do and say because remember. Jesus say the same way you Judge will be judged. Let's spread love and kindnes. At the end of the day it is up to every individual to live accordingly to what the word of God says. If some want to submit completely to the GB its up to them. If ithers don't that's ok. As long as we don't start causing division. We can all come toghether and have difference of opinions.
You write: "As long as we don't start causing division. We can all come toghether and have difference of opinions."
Now how would you balance that against these words of our Lord?
“. . .Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword. FOR I CAME TO CAUSE DIVISION, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not accept his torture stake and follow after me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his soul will lose it, and whoever loses his soul for my sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39)
@@BeroeanPickets This is my understanding of this passage you mentioned. Jesus sent out his 12 apostles to preach only to the house of Israel. He's telling them that their brothers will hate them just like they hated Jesus himself. And I believe many Jews those days were afraid to follow Christ because they would get expelled from their community. So I think when Jesus sais that he came to cause division he meant that a jew household will have tribulation and the family would be divided because they wouldn't like the idea of a family member to become Jesus disciple. I don't see any parallel with causing division among Christian brothers. I could be wrong. Last night I was reading Romans chapters 12-15. I meditated deeply into these passages and I prayed to God. I want to please him.I don't want to stumble my brothers. There are spiritually weak and strong. What my conscience finds ok someone else may differ. I know we all have devotion towards God but we must be very careful not to overly think of ourselfs and impose our own conscience over others. God bless you my brother🙏
@@SalvarezP
The GB impose their conscience over everybody else. The GB say that there are non-anointed Christians within Jehovah's Witnesses and that these non-anointed ones should not partake of the emblems. But the truth is that all Christians are anointed and should partake of the emblems. Telling this to other JW's would get you marked or disfellowshipped.
@@vintage6346 Unfortunately they do. I agree with you on this one😔
Proverbs 3: 5 Trust in Jehovah with all your heart, And do not rely on your own understanding. 6 In all your ways take notice of him, And he will make your paths straight. 7 Do not become wise in your own eyes. Fear Jehovah and turn away from bad."
I can't imagine what Jesus felt when his own people persecuted him and killed him. He suffered horribly. But he did not come to acccept glory from men. He came to suffer and to do God's will. At the eyes of men, he was a lier, a criminal. But at the eyes of God he was loyal. I'm not saying I have it all correct all I'm trying to say is that Christianity is not united. We are very well divided😔. No wonder there are numerous denominations. I wonder why? Could it be because of disagreements? 😥
@@SalvarezP
Those were nice thoughts.
Slow fade is especially great if you relocate and is gold !! Avoid any contact from elders or other meddlers in your business.. Shun them and move forward ⏩.. PIMO , Them POMO , adios ..🖐️🖐️🖐️🖐️
I am Catholic and frequently debated a J.W at work and found him to be genuine and caring but when confronted by these questions he would change the subject which is what I was told is a J.W tactic. Also they are not allowed to read anything or watch anything not approved by the organization . The Bible tells us we are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God so you would have to shun each other if you go by the organizations teaching.
I genuinely appreciate your informative breakdown of great reasons to add to a disassociation letter. But, I doubt any Elder would take the time to read all the reasons why you are disassociating. They're trained to only read as far as they get a hint that it's a disassociation letter - and it ends there.
I am commenting for the first time here and I sporadically watch ex-JW content on YT. Having informed myself about the History of the org a fair bit and how it all started with CT Russell, I was wondering if you could make a video or comment on you views concerning the question in how far if at all Russell already kind of foreshadowed the totalitarian nature that the org should morph into fully under Rutherford and even more so under knorr who If I remember correctly set up the whole internal judicial system to systematically purge the org from the inside out and basically exercise and reign of terror through fear of getting disfellowshipped or as I like to call it purged. Russell to my knowledge was not claiming to be the head of any kind of organisation even rejecting that christians should organize formally, he did however identify himself as the faithful and wise slave so he probably at least indirectly expected to be obeyed when it came to important theology.
As an atheist, I have no opinion on whether Russell was more bible-based than Rutherford or knorr, however I would enjoy hearing your opinion since you seem to be one of the very few activists who remained Christiand after leaving JW and even retained some of their uniquenesses. For example you still call god Jeova and If i got it right you reject the trinity. So how so you view Rusell? Was he a man of pure intentions to you whose good foundational work was abused by rutherford and Knorr to their own benefit or were his teachings already so erroneous and his view of himself and the role of the WT society so arrogant that it was inevitable that his movement would evolve to become a cult ?
Actually, there is an excellent book we published showing how the organization was taken over in a coup by Rutherford. On Amazon, you'll find it if you search for "Rutherford's Coup: The Watch Tower Succession Crisis of 1917 and Its Aftermath"
RIP Lauren Stuart and Family *Keego Harbor Michigan *VICTIMS
I have a question. How do I get baptized and by whom? Thank you.
Any Christian can baptize you. All you need is a body of water.
Watchtower is DANGEROUS RIP Raymond Franz please read **Crisis of Conscience**
Faded 12 yrs ago...sister's and parents have nothing to do with me at all....
When I saw what was going on I didn't get the chance to leave the loving way at all..
After 47 years I just said I am not coming back and I split.....
My last comment was that "not all brothers are brothers"
And the claws came out!
Hence my 10 years out with no regrets.....
"And the claws came out!" Yes, indeed. That is when they reveal who they truly follow.
@@BeroeanPickets Exactly so!.... Because after I left I heard that war break out among the ministerial servants as regards to who was greater than who....
@@errolcampbell6985
I'm happy for you that you left. Had you learned to think straight at some time before becoming a JW? If so, I'm thinking that might have helped you leave with no regrets. For "born ins", leaving Watchtower seems unthinkable.
@@vintage6346 Born in ... both my parents (now deceased) and 5 siblings....
But I've never failed being very observant all these years....I was an advocate of genuine whole hearted service, but then as I grew I realized that was far from the agenda of those I associated with for all these years.... and what was being preached was not what was being practiced.
So I left before I met my demise....
@@errolcampbell6985,
I was born in, too. I had long asked Jehovah to help me think straight, but that never seemed to happen. Well, no wonder! Who can think straight with all that pressure, manipulation, and coersion going on? It's wonderful to meet you here. I've partaken of the bread and wine. Now we can finally "...put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." Eph. 4: 24.
I was locked out of a Zoom meeting towards the end of the Thursday night meeting and I couldn't figure out why. The same thing happened on Sunday morning. I found out later that they made an announcement that I "disassociated" myself. I never did disassociate myself, because I still have friends. Since they refuse to talk to me with two witnesses present they clearly did not care enough to get to the bottom of my issue. Is this actionable because now I will be shunned ? He made sure that I did not hear the announcement that's why I was locked out of the meeting. Then he invited me to go to an in person meeting but I declined.
As to whether it is actionable, I assume you mean legally, because internally, it is rare that they will not side with the local elders. As to whether it is legally actionable, a lot depends on the local circumstances and the laws of the land.
@Beroean Pickets I would never seek justice within that cult, but lying on me and telling my friends that they can't talk to me when I have done nothing unscriptural is spiritual abuse. All I did was ask some questions and point out inconsistencies with their doctrine while they claim to be a bible based organization. One of my friends sounded so scared when she told me that she couldn't talk to me. She thanked me for being there for her throughout her cancer treatments. Nobody from the congregation was thinking about her.......I was the only support that she had. The fear that this cult instills in people is unreal.
@@ohreally4758 Truly, it is appalling.
@Los Bereanos I know that the cult took a few hits in Europe over the shunning issue, so I do believe that I have a case. I have no problems with them wanting to kick out of their cult but when they cross the line and try to tell Jehovah witness friends that they can't associate with me because I refuse to believe unscriptural doctrines or follow unscriptural policies, they are acting as a dictatorship. The witnesses do not "belong" to that organization and since I don't want to be a part of their cult, what makes them think that they have jurisdiction over my personal relationships/friendships?
When Jesus said that the sheep will know the voice of their shepherd, the shepherd did not go to the sheep and tell them whose voice to listen to. We have free will for a reason. If my friends want to tell me to "kick rocks"........THAT IS THEIR DECISION TO MAKE !! It is not up to some sadistic, narcissistic, and power-hungry cult leader to decide !! .........They lied on the wrong person !!.........and.......that's.......just.......PERIOD !!
When I go to the link to get the letter, there’s a message saying Forbidden on an otherwise blank page ??
We just moved to a different server and this may be a security issue that we overlooked. I'll get the IT brother (a very capable friend) to check it out.
@@BeroeanPickets
When I click on the link to this video that I received on my email, I get an error message: 502 bad gateway. Also, I haven't received a youtube feed to my gmail for 8 days.
@@vintage6346 It is working now.
@@BeroeanPickets
Yes. Both are working now. Thank you.
The good Brian
Bemoaning cricket buzzing from the thicket ? A xjw bush Wacker ?
This rules and regs make the cross superflous?
👍🏻
They refused me to open and read the Bible in my last judiciary
That's so typical of them.
I was force to get baptized or i was gonna get kick out the house where no where to go as 17 year old
I have a dear friend who went through the same. He was essentially living on the street, but in his case, he was kicked out of home for becoming a Jehovah's Witness. Did the Witnesses take him in? No. Now he is one of us, a child of God, and the Lord is with him.
Im 58 now and but still loss and need answer to my questions about Resurrection
i believe this is a sincere effort trying to help most witnesses however per what i have realized most ex jws or ex watchtower have taken this opportunity to harbor resentment, ridicule, make fun and present insults against the organization. Is this the spirit of Christ? The awakening most people claim has resulted in another form of spiritual slumber. This is the time we have to encourage our brothers to pray about situation more not to make it our priority to encourage them to leave. Or is this what we want to see witnesses leaving the organization each of them with divided opinions on scripture. It's not difficult for the adversary to reveal certain basic truth to us to prepare us for the stage of speaking in our own authority just like our alma matter.
In their own words Governing Body is NOT Inspired by the True GOD!
Thank God JW Watchtower Religion is going out of Business SOON
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How did you do that? :)
You just lied about the issue a shunning. There are absolutely scriptures that describe a Christian disassociating with someone who was once a Believer who now practices sin. (1 Corinthians 5:11)
Can you show me a scripture that tells a christian to shun someone who is not sinning, but how doesn't want to be a member of Jehovah's Witnesses?
@BeroeanPickets
Not sinning?
How could you possibly know whether someone is sinning or not?
Simply getting involved in a sexual relationship outside of marriage would be enough of a sin for that scriptural text to apply. And you know that!
How widely prevalent do you think adultery and fornication is in our culture? Am I supposed to believe that you think people who leave the witnesses are going to hold onto the sexual morals?
What reason would they have to do so?
@@BeroeanPickets
Either way, the witnesses don't disfellowship former believers who choose to disassociate. Not until they know for sure that person is now practicing some form of gross sin. Maybe you don't know the witnesses as well as you think.
@@bobbycecere1037 Now, what you write is a false statement. I don't say you are lying, because you may just be very poorly informed.
I served as an elder for 40 years, in three countries. I have attended all the elders schools from the mid 1970 to my last five-day school in 2011, so I know both the written law and the oral law that JWs practice. Further, the ks book makes it clear that if someone resigns from the organization, even if they are living a clean life free from the works of the flesh, they are to be treated as a disfellowshipped person and totally shunned. Even their closest relatives are expected to shun them.
@@BeroeanPickets I left just disassociated, just stopped going. Did not go around vilifying JW afterwards. One thing I did realise - where would you go? Christendom - I think not. Shunning is nothing new. Gen kicked out of garden of eden, Cain banished. Paul did write not to greet, eat or associate with such a person. You reap what you sow dont u?
Definitely leaving is viewed as being disloyal to Jehovah and Christ Jesus . Caught in a trap....
Can't get out because I loved you too much baby...Elvis
Just leave with out a word
This is nuts.
The fact that you've held on to their teachings proves you believe them to be scripturally correct.
And that of course indicates that, unlike the rest of nominal Christianity who got pretty much everything wrong, they have God's holy spirit. Where exactly would you go? I have no doubt Jehovah would use an organization on Earth to accomplish his will with regards to the preaching work, and it would no doubt mirror the Christian Congregation of the first two centuries.
So what organization is it?
Where do I find it?
What teachings are you accusing me of holding on to? I don't think you watched the video at all. Interesting that you say, "unlike the rest of nominal Christianity." That little Freudian slip indicates you subconsciously know that JWs are part of "nominal Christianity". I don't accept your premise. There is nothing in Scripture indicating that Jehovah would use "an organization" to accomplish his will.
@BeroeanPickets
Fact check false.
An organizing effort to preach the gospel is exactly what happened in the early centuries. They built congregations. They had bodies of Elders.
Why wouldn't modern era Christianity resemble that model?
@@bobbycecere1037 You are correct in saying that modern Christianity should follow the model of first-century Christianity. What you fail to see due to the power of GB indoctrination is that that model doesn't support the idea of an organization run by a Governing Body that makes the rules and demands obedience and loyalty, not to God, but to men.
Jesus was the head of the first-century congregation and continues to be the head of true Christians today. Being orderly doesn't mean we have to belong to an organization. We belong to Christ. (1 Cor. 3:21, 22)
But if you wish to follow men and not Christ, that is your choice. If you wish to believe in lies like a 1914 invisible presence of Christ, a 1918 resurrection of the anointed, a 1919 appointment of the Governing Body as the Faithful Slave, and the creation of a secondary salvation hope for non-anointed Christians without Jesus as their mediator in 1934 by Rutherford, that is your right.
If it offends you that I take it as my duty before God to expose those lies and the gross hypocrisy of a group of men who self-proclaim their appointment as God's channel of communication while violating Christian neutrality by engaging in a 10-year affiliation with the UN as an NGO, well, there is little I can do about that, because to remain silent is to give tacit approval to their harmful actions.
Jesus said that we are either for him or against him. There is no middle ground.
Answer me this: If I can show you a scripture where Jesus tells you to do something that goes against what the Governing Body tells you to do, which command would you obey?