DON'T Fight Like a Witcher!!
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2025
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No matter what anyone says you gotta admit... The Nutcracker would be fucking badass if it involved more swords.
Oh I love Tchaikovsky. So much.
Not as much as he would have loved me (and my firm arsehole) but nonetheless, love his music.
Tchaikovsky!!!!!!
@@0hn0haha What the fuck
To be fair to Geralt, he was killed by a Random with a pitchfork whilst he was fighting a mob of over thirty people. It's not like some scrub soloed a genetically engineered superhuman.
Tom Brown well, he had a chance to kill him, but he saw the fear in his eyes, spared him and the fucktard killed him
Wait Geralt died?
@@badfoody In the books, yes. Although, I think he was just injured...
@Junior geralt and yennefer died but ciri carried them to the isle of mist where they recovered
@@martingina3594 he should of grabbed the pitchfork's shaft and break it just in case.
Especially don't fight like my Geralt, who sucks shit at fighting and needs the shield sign to survive.
I've invested the entire bottom thingy to quin
vampireguy24 it's more game design then anything else
It’s called quen...
I easily played death march without upgrading quen. Lol
Do that spin move into wave of enemies and there's not much left them in a few seconds
4:12 My wife is jealous of that guy's hair.
I think the best argument FOR the Witcher is that he uses his fighting style to fight monsters, not people with swords, who train to fight other people with swords, unlike the Witcher, who would then obviously have a weakness to people who are better trained in that type of fight.
The best argument is just the fact that humans can't even compare to their speed and strength.
If I had exceptional speed, I'd just stab my opponent - no spinning needed.
Maybe, I really couldn't comment on having to fight monsters. XD
But the guy carries a steel sword for a reason, may as well learn to use it.
Well if your stab is as fast as your spin then why not get those kewl style points?
Because Geralt is a profesional. A profesional is a practical guy. Style is for dancers. XD
*cough* *cough*
Hell. Yes.
Oh hi
Brock Mark
lmaoooo
Ok now, give him some of yours mutagens so he can do all those fancy sword thing you do .
To be fair, Arthur Dayne is the most skilled swordsman in Westeros from a comparative standpoint. When your opponents are as hilariously incompetent as most of the swordsmen in Game of Thrones, having any semblance of skill would undoubtedly make you the superior swordsman.
well sir Barristan has said to also be one of the best and has some great archievements behind his belt. the same goes with jaime lannister. however dayne died during the rebellion so we never know who is better
NO! Syrio fiorel was the greatest swordsman who ever lived!
Weren't people getting really excited about Jon Snow's technique during the battle for Castle Black? I read somewhere his fight with the Thenn had really realistic technique.
sonicwingnut you mean when he got his head smashed against an anvil and somehow survived that, while any other human being would definitely die from that?
I meant the swordy bits, although tbh you could totally survive that with a bust nose. I mean repeatedly yeah you'd be fucked but I've seen people faceplant metal beams before and walk away.
In books, witchers fight using normal medieval techniques, and when Geralt and Ciri was training Geralt said 'this is a swordfight, not a dancing lesson'. Fighting system in the witcher 3 is not realistic but dynamic bloody and satisfying, if this is really a problem kingdom come deliverence is coming next week. This game got the medieval fighting topic right. Just my thoughts you know, noone would probably read this but thanks for your attention
Even fans of the book criticize the exageration of Geralt's sword fighting in the games. The fights that occur in the book are describe as subtle, quick but deadly duels in which each opponent has to plan their move in an instant. Recalling samurai sword fights, which can end in a second. The action in the Witcher books really has it's feet on the ground. Even when battling monsters. But I love the way they describe the combat in prose. Yes, people get separated in half, decapitated and mutilated, and this is terrifying for those trapped in the strife with a Witcher involve. It really sounds intimidating, what a Witcher can do to you in a fight.
I have only read one Witcher book. It is called "the Last Wish". In one of it's novels, Geralt fights 7 men at the same time. It is described that Geralt moves so fast that they can't even see him. In the games he moves swiftly, but not quick enough for enemies to lose sight. In my opinion the books don't always have their boots on the ground. Geralt is a mutant with lightning fast reflexes and other skills after all. That's the reason why it shouldn't be just ordinary duels.
He actually gets somewhat weaker over the course of the books (mostly attributed to a bum knee after Vilgefortz shatters it with his staff), but yes. The witcher fighting style is based around the fact that they're much faster than most humans.
Edit: A witcher's sword is also impossibly sharp, excusing the lack of power in the swings. It's fantasy, after all.
When he cuts veins and arteries precisely with the TIP OF HIS FUCKING SWORD.
There's a reason humans really really dislike mutants. They are unnatural. Too unnatural.
Dynamin Pretty sure the fighting is slowed for gameplay purposes.
Nexus Wolf I wonder what witchers would think of spartans from Halo.
Geralt is an expert with the sword, he knows how to use it the normal way perfectly, but he's so confident and aware of his surroundings that he can afford rapid dance-like movements to confuse or intimidate his enemies, read the books, every step he makes is calculated, he doesn't spin around erratically nor it is something he does 100% of the fight, this is a skill he developed to land strikes against monsters which would be impossible to do for a regular swordsman.
Ultramendoza Still doesn't make it a practical way to fight
Only an enhanced individual with high senses like a witcher can pull it off, remember that Geralt can also parry arrows with his sword, so for a limited human being it's pointless.
Cees van Rijckevorsel Didnt you read the comment ?
He said against monsters where normal moves wont work
Tbf, it is entirely possible for just regular humans to parry arrows with a sword. They ain't bullets. Not reliably though but it can be done if you anticipate the arrow coming.
Exactly, a human relies more on luck than actual skill, parrying arrows also will require for the human 100% focus on the archer, which is lethal per se.
I like how the book just says he fights like a dancer.... to me it just means he has very fluid movements with his techniques.
Geralt isn't real.... WHAT IS LIFE!!!!!
Baby don't hurt me....
Legion no more
@@heyjoji1954 Dodo, dododo, do, dada...
Basically, at the back of all the discussion, there is the following argument: since people used the sword for many centuries, and in the treaties they sum up all that knowledge, the sword fighting techniques described in the treaties are likely the most effective way to use a sword. Or at least, it is optimal enough that to propose an advance you have to be a great expert of the field. It is a kind of evolutionary argument, very well received: I mostly agree with it.
There is an important (disgustingly post-modern) point to be made however: there is no such thing as the most effective way to use a sword. This is, because it depends on the objective and constraints. This can be easily shown with an example. Indeed we could easily make the same argument about race cars. We can say that the aerodynamics of the body of a race car is optimal, since for a lot of years engineers have worked on it. However, the optimal aerodynamics depend heavily on the power of the motor, on the weight of instruments, on the traction of the wheel, and most importantly on the target, i.e. "optimal" with respect to what. You may want a faster car, or more acceleration, or more control, or less fuel waste.
Now, let us imagine to play a game of fantasy car races. To see the cars bodies completely different from actual race cars, would only be absurd if all the conditions were to be the same. If the magical soul engines had twice the power and half the weight, or if the race involved barriers to jump or monsters to fight, no one would really expect actual race cars bodies to be of ANY help in deciding the best shape of these fantasy versions.
We know this is relevant to our case because indeed historical sword fighting changed drastically with time and geography, with changing targets and constraints. Treaties pre-plate armors and post-plate armors present completely different techniques. We also know that surely the duels and the wars had completely different sword handling, when the sword was used at all. There were also rules involved, like the lack of trusts in Meyer. One could well say that Olympic fencing is the optimal way of using a sword, if the target is to hit someone before he hits you with a 500g piece of iron wire. A further example is that in many south asian and south-east asian sword fencing styles, while not codified in manuals, there are many "spins". An example is Gatka, the Sikh martial art from Punjab. While the practitioners now mostly use it as a dance, it was used as a -very effective- sword fencing school in the early time of Sikhism, against the Mughal army. Sikh being much less and often resorting to skirmish fights more than wars, they were trained to fight in numerical disadvantage. To do so, while retreating from measure after an attack, they did two backward steps: one step long and sudden, almost jumped, to move fast out of measure and to move themselves out of potential enemies coming from the side. The second, again backward, while spinning. This was done to use the opportunity to look around, check for enemies, allies and escape routes. Do I believe it or think it is fully historical? Not really. But I think it is not impossible, and probably it was done maybe once per fight. If I were to fight with monsters and I had furiously fast reflexes, would it be reasonable to take a full look around once in a while? Dunno.
This is to say: even if the Witcher fight style is very different from HEMA, it could well be that the different target (fighting often 1 vs many, fighting monsters,... ) and the different "engine" (the Witcher being stronger and faster) makes HEMA too far from the actual case to be relevant. Indeed, as you claim, in the game common guards fighting most of the times with other common guards, same target and constraints, ARE fighting in the HEMA way. However, the Witcher does not have the same constraints and target, and he does not . Might be reasonable.
This is not to say that the Witcher fight style is reasonable, I would not say so. I am just saying that it is reasonable that it is very different from HEMA.
Amen...
bobon123 A good, well-thought opinion. I like it.
the funny thing about all this game/book fighting style, I don't remember the books mentioning spins, or at least what I have read. Instead, the witcher (most times geralt) has a different fighting style for every monster he fights, wich is exactly what you are mentioning. good comment!
Very long comment.Short answer is witcher is good game nice STORY.COMBAT GAMEPLAY SUCKS BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADMIT IT LIKE MAN.Because you are obsessed with witcher 3
The Witcher fighting style is similar to kung fu, I practice, and I use move similar
I think the stunt man is also a practioner
Literally pause at any moment during the video and your face kept cracking me up, honestly didn’t even hear a word of you just kept pausing at different times. You look like a grown up version of Peter Dinklage. Please keep making videos made my day. Deserved a sub.
You only reviewed the "Whirl" and "Rend" moves...
Actually strong attacks like Rend were never used in the books saga (completely a game innovation in order to improve gameplay)
All the Witcher fight technique is based on fast accurate attacks to the critical points of a human/monster body
100% of topic, Why is your picture Hitler?
Lmao fast because you're doing pirouettes and accurate because you're doing pirouettes
I cant stop...lmfao😂😂😂😂
Quisiio0303456 upgrade completed.
like a mix of Kung fu and Kendo (samurai fighting style)
Good video and I definitely approve the longer hair, much better :)
Metatron Metatron your awesome
Metatron Oh wow, you found this one? Are you also planning on covering The Witcher?
Metatron You’re a legend
And the Lord hath spoken
Yeah that's why you rock the Russel Crow haircut from Gladiator right now *Hipokuritto* :-P
I happen to know The Choreographer (Maciek Kwiatkowski) pesonally. Great guy :) He is teaching Witcher style on a workshops at various events, and I've seen girls learning to spin like him in an hour of training with no fighting experience beforehand... not that hard if you move at all from time to time ;)
Anyway, Maciek's background is in medieval combat, and as he admits Witcher style is more a stage fight than anything else, I can assure you that he would cut you trough all right with this moves. It's whats between them is fancy but the cut itself is clean and deadly. I've seen spins like this used in real tournament combat, and guys winning finals using them. Not some fancy soft western "don't hit me, im too expensive" Western tournaments but a full contact, last man standing sparrings of the best Eastern Europe fighters. This guys were fast! And in full armor.
Btw - no human is capable of cutting in half fully armored opponent, but you can cut a non armored person in half with a proper technique which is present in Maciek's moves. There are many tests on dead pigs and other animals all around YT to watch. I had an opportunity to see what a very sharp blade can do to a live animal once. It was a blink of an eye, and it was headless.
So your theory is right from the gamer perspective but yet it is wrong from the perspective of 15 years of swordmanship experience I happen to have. I was never that fast, but I used some fancy piruettes from time to time for fun in sparrings and more than often it worked. You just need to move your lazy ass (no offence ;) ) to the field and spin some steel in real combat. With proper teacher. For 10-15 years ;) But it's possible, at least to some extent. Not to mention with fictional game character. Which is based on Sapkowski's mumbo jumbo, invented by a guy who never fighted in his life and just took random names from all kind of fighting manuals from all historical periods. Hope that will clear out some of topics you mentioned. Best regards :)
This makes a great deal of sense. Swordfights are a major challenge for video games, all the physics of the strikes and parries and interactions with armor and bone, but the superhuman strength and speed of a witcher makes for an obvious resolution. Geralt builds and maintains his sword's momentum - fighting him is more like fighting an airplane propeller. It's in-character and it sidesteps a major design difficulty.
Geralt is fucking badass
That video is a real salt mine
Funnily enough, this is true even IN the game. It happens to me all the times that when I try to attack, Geralt starts his little dance, while the opponent just just hits him like a normal person would. That costs a lot on the higher difficulty.
“Use a sword in a practical way” I didn’t know swords were practical in 2018
Hydra Jamm if the Roman army is outside my door they’ll say hello to my favorite murder machine, preferably at 500 yards
Max Wilson
Indeed they are
Humans still get hurt by swords at 2018
I used a sword to cut my wedding cake
What armor is Gerald wearing at 0:30
One thing I've noticed while playing the Witcher 3 is that Geralts fast attacks are often slow because he's too busy spinning.
There are so many times where thr enemy just hits him because he takes too long spinning.
Fun fact - spinning (pirouette) is actually a real combat technique. But it's a defensive one. It's a move designed to counter a thrust or a lunge. Works best in armour of course but can be done in any situation. It's just either a desperation move (better to do something than just die) or requires a lot of trust in the quality of your armour. The idea is that the moment the enemy blade is nearly touching you, you turn your body on non-center axis to basically allow to pass the blade by causing nothing more than a shallow cut (for an unarmored defender) while getting you into an attack position. I've seen a sword master perfom this techique.
This is definitely not a criticism of your video, as I do completely agree with you that many if not most aspects of the 'witcher' fighting style/technique are flawed and would not be effective in realistic combat but I do believe two points in defence of the witcher style of fighting are that -
1. Witchers are monster hunters, they are trained exclusively for the killing of said monsters. yes they spar with one another and yes they do often find themselves fighting humanoids but their techniques and style are designed specifically for the killing of monsters. For example, parrying and guarding with a blade would be practically useless against a 2 tonne fiend, hence the dodging. witcher blows can also often be seen from a mile off, which when fighting humans is clearly an issue, but when fighting monsters it is probably different (certain monsters may focus less on the sword as a threat, unlike any human who would IMMEDIATELY realise that is what to look out for)
2. the dev in the video you show parts of does state that basically he wants people to realise Geralt is inhuman based on his combat style. We all know how witchers undergo the trials etc. but I dont think It is as considered in debates about the witcher fighting technique as it should be. the witcher style is completely unrealistic for normal people, but it may be less so for witchers as they have much greater sensory sensitivity, reflexes, cardiovascular endurance, strength etc. they are superior in normal men in every aspect (except the fertility one) and thus I feel that their fighting style is a direct reflection and reminder that they are not normal men.
Yeah exactly, that was the only thing not said is that witchers have super human strength to some extent. But the spinning is still pretty dumb the rest though can be explained away with the extra strength
I think the spinning can be attributed to the fact that Witchers can move - and thus spin - much faster than normal people, so Geralt isn't exposing himself for nearly as long as a normal human would when he spins, which then allow him to build up momentum for the ridiculously powerful strikes.
A Witcher two times stronger and four times faster than a human, and Geralt is not a common Witcher, even other Witchers fear him, so I think he is skilled enough to fight using his stile
Plus, Geralt has signs
Let us not forget every time you spin it takes your eyes off of the enemy. Spinning is not very common in most forms of fighting other than capoeira.
It makes even less sense to use a spinning technique against monsters. Monsters are much stronger than plate armor, you need the full force of a blow to hope for anything, which isn’t something you can accomplish while spinning as much as Geralt does. Spinning that often and fast also can make it harder to react to oncoming danger because your force will already be directed in one way which will but much harder to stop and change direction.
In short, with his technique he can neither dodge effectively or strike effectively. He’s wasting a huge amount of his power fighting like that.
Excellent job. And thanks for using logic instead of emotion. I love the Witcher too but you can def see where there are areas where is not practical in fighting styles
I think sword fights in films/ games tend to be more like dance routines. For a more serious one, I guess it serves as a bit of comic relief without you even realizing.
I don't know though, I could be way off.
SethDoesSomeStuff no, you're really correct. I love to choreograph sword fights. It really is essentially a dance with swords that throws technique to the wind.
1:39 HUHAAHAARRRG !! XDD Urg! I don't regret to have subscribed ! ('x
(i'm not here for hard language, but you have a strong personality, and that's nice! ^^ )
I'm a fan of the witcher games and books as you can see. And I agree with you
You... forgot that cheesie movie ;-) Still like that one too.
Bernd Kosmahl There is also a TV series with the same actors as in the movie. Let's not forget this too ;-)
AnaTorr The movie is IIRC a shortened version of that series. Explains some plot holes. I'm not sure though. I understood this from some auto translated Polish website long ago.
The movie is proof of how lazy was creator it is just cut through the series.. though don't know if it is hoax or what but the movie should be created soon so I'm curious...
Tv serie is much much better than movie
Good video! When I started in the SCA 30 years ago (wow it's been that long?)We were taught what happens with those spins- You get hit and you cannot control your hit as soon as you turn your back. Your opponent can always change where his position is while you are spinning and a simple duck can cause you to miss. Whatever power is gained because of the spin is lost into the air.
Let's actually examine the idea of using a sword against monsters. I'm gonna try and draw from real life here, as we have a lot of potentially dangerous animals in our own world - if they were routinely aggressive towards us on sight we'd probably be fine calling them monsters. Might be a long write-up here.
Disclaimer: I'm not an expert at anything. Best I got is that I'm in 3rd year of a bachelor's in Human Kinetics and I like stuff like this.
Sword vs Charging Animals: These are usually large ungulates like boars, elk, moose, bison, bulls, rhinos, and many many more. A lot of them don't seem to have a great ability to turn - they can swivel the head a fair bit but their body tends to have a wide arc. What do you do if you're armed with a sword? I recommend basically a more cautious matador-approach: get them to charge you, and try to stay out of the way while taking pot-shots, or maybe get that lucky point-forward impalement. Risky, and not something I'd want to try, but it doesn't come across like something you need a martial art for. I tentatively include elephants here, but I think you'd want to deal with the trunk. I actually don't know how hard or fast that thing can swing, but don't take a chance and get rid of it. And watch out for the tusks, whatever you do.
Sword vs Reptilians: crocodilians, komodo dragons, other large lizards and snakes. These tend to be very low to the ground, so you'll wanna get good at your downward cuts and thrusts, but otherwise they shouldn't pose much challenge to a dude with a sword unless they get the jump on you. I mostly recommend thrusts.
Sword vs Large Birds: emus, cassowaries and ostriches have a dangerous kick, and you might here try to bait them with feints and ducks, but I'm not sure if a whole new martial art need be applied. Besides, unlike an enraged boar or a cold-blooded croc these birds are rather not fond of fighting humans, especially one waving what is essentially a sharpened club at them. So while you may have more particular moves against these creatures, I doubt you'd have to learn anything very unintuitive.
Sword vs Great Apes: gorillas, orangutans and chimpanzees are not a joke, and if they charge at you I recommend you feel afraid, but if you keep your sword moving in front of you as you back away they probably won't advance dangerously. That said, if they did, I don't have any advice except to gore them and pray. If you're lucky, you can cut an arm well, but I'm not sure if you can develop an anti-ape sword style so much as general tactics and good defense/evasion.
Sword vs Large Carnivores: large wolves, the big cats, and bears. Tough, but probably manageable one-on-one. But predators like wolves and lions will most likely try to outnumber you. There's room here for a particular art - fighting off multiple humans surrounding you is really difficult because tactics and probably similar weaponry, but wolf or lion weaponry is in much closer proximity to their vulnerable limbs, and they tend not to move in all at the same time. I would be curious to see a style develop that deals with this kind of problem with a sword, but I don't know if the Witcher's style is what would come out of that.
There are others, like water-based predators, swooping birds like the massive golden eagle, and maybe a tenacious wolverine or something, but for some reason I'm brained-out at the moment and can't think of anything to write about them.
Still, this was fun to write. Please don't go out with a sword and fight wild animals. If you win, you're probably causing environmental issues since apex predators tend to have low populations for a given biome, and many are endagered anyway. If you lose, you're likely dead.
I feel it rather funny that you consider a crocodile to be less dangerous than great apes. While they tend to not have great stamina, they have very thick leather, very thick skull and routinely use their massive tail to smash frightening things behind them. Furthermore, they can be over 4 times heavier than gorillas. They can't cover great distances anywhere near as fast as gorillas, but they can leap a fair bit forward even on land, and you have to be VERY close to be able to attack it with sword.
And swords against rhinos or hippos? Just forget it.
Also, severing or debilitating an elephants trunk is not too easy. It is sinewy, consists of numerous muscles that aren't unidirectional, and has thick skin. Elephants use their trunks to tear off big branches, handle fallen trees and roll over big rocks, as well as throwing or constraining a threat. It is durable because it has to be.
Also, a committed big bear, like a grizzly or a polar, is the most fearsome land-based predator. They are huge, strong, relatively fast and surprisingly nimble. I'd definitely fear a charging grizzly more than almost anything land-based predator save for the Siberian tiger.
I'll give you rhinos and hippos being virtually invulnerable. And elephant trunks, yeah, probably not gonna be easy (may not really be possible) to cut through. I'd still give the great apes - or at least a gorilla - more leeway than a croc on land, though. I ain't fighting any of them any time soon, but I'd feel more confident I could ward a crocodile jolting occasionally versus a gorilla that starts destroying me and then never stops.
A bear... yeah, you know what, I'd say a big grizzly or a polar bear would be the end of a lot of people, even with a sword. I'm not certain if they or the tiger would be the worst thing to confront with just a sword, but... I'm not gonna pretend any of these giants are easy to deal with. If they had a greater tendency to be aggressive towards humans I would have no hesitation about calling them "monsters".
Now I think this image was shown to not accurately represent the "boar croc", but if there was a creature like this (s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/55/df/18/55df18b173c008a23fc2967cdaf1ace1.jpg ) running around, I would only fight it from the next town over, with a trebuchet.
Cavouku k
If you come across an aggressive croc it's probably too late sword or no sword. They are ambush predators. If you see them sunning on a shore they wont be very aggressive and hungry, if they see you and you are getting to close they will show their teeth and hiss at you to warn you to stay away. Where they are at their most dangerous is when they are in the water, if you see one floating about don't go for a swim and if you approach the shore and it goes underwater turn around and go the other way unless you like a thousand pounds of hungry reptile bursting from the water when you just reach the shoreline.
To fight a croc all you need is rope, be sneaky, and have huge balls. If you can manage to get on ones back and clamp it's mouth shut you could tie it shut and leave it to starve to death. Or a good sharp dagger to stab it's throat after you disable its mouth. A sword though... terrible choice. They are low to the ground and heavily armored on top, then they may walk on land slowly but that's just to conserve energy. They can do great bursts of speed making a charging boar look slow and unlike the boar they can quickly turn their head if you try to dodge. A direct confrontation without a high powered firearm is just a terrible idea, stealth and tie their mouth shut is the better idea.
Throughout history when it comes to an apex predator man will use what they have available to defend themselves with. The truth though is spears are the most used weapon above all weapons in human history including modern weapons. Swords are more popular because they became a status symbol even if they were the backup for a spear.
The intresting thing about the spinmove is, that if you have no invincibility build anyway, it's basically useless.
Tyrion Lannister is that you?
Dude's about 1'90m tall lol
I love the way Geralt fights. He is likea buff prima ballerina who hurt her foot or became to old for classical ballet, and ended up becoming a mercenary.
*said pulling swords out from a sheathe on his back is not possible*
*CD Project Red proves a way you can by Geralt pushing the bottom of the scabbard*
the sword clips through, but its so subtle you cant even notice
okay, what next? don't try mutations? don't steal from guards? or something like "don't fight with a pack of wolves?"
arthur dayne is the best fighter because it says so in the books.
Sral Neman me killed like 4 people in a 5 v 1 in the show too though.
I totally appreciate the points you're making, and I understand it's just fun to point out how impractical this stylistic fighting is, but the one thing that just sounded silly was "I'd rather learn to use a sword in a practical way". Your chances of getting into a real sword fight are lower than your chances of being talent scouted by a dance troupe if you learn the flashy pirouetting.
You guys don't have any problem when game characters like sonya blade scissor split the opponent in a half, you can have ultra great swords in dark souls, parkour like Arno, run on wall in Black Ops 3 and prince of persia but everybody loses their mind when geralt does a pirouette or fight like 7-8 NPCs by using whirl. I don't get it.
chase theguts most pepole have allready come to the understanding that those games are not at all realistic nor are they supposed to be, the witcher all though fantasy is actualy quite realistic in the way in presents a gritty medieval world, so pepole will tend to look at other realism factors within the game. and the witcher is a bloody good game. fans are going to critique it :)
Yeah I can agree to that, but Geralt's fighting style is quite useful and successful in the Witcher world No matter its closeness to real Fencing and HEMA.
And Devs should be Appreciated for Making the game as close to the source material as possible.
I don't talk about, parkour or ultra greatswords... I love the longsword... the longsword is what Geralt uses, so I compare it a little.
I don't really lose my mind... I really quite like the fighting in The Witcher, and don't care what the animations look like. I don't like the people who come to my channel and argue with me that it's practical to use in real life.
Well, It's really not practical at all but it looks cool. Now tell me if geralt's fighting style was completely realistic, would you like it more? I know I wouldn't. You can watch real fencing duels they don't look as cool as Geralt's moves but they are practical because you are away from enemy and you are not leaving your body uncovered for the enemy to attack. But these techniques are usually for fighting a single enemy. Tell me what would you do if you are surrounded by 8-9 enemies and they can attack you from any side?
It's not Assassin's Creed where NPCs wait their turn to attack you.
I think apart from guards, sword moves used by Olgierd Von Everic are fairly realistic.
KnightSquire I don't think I've ever seen anyone claim that the movie styles of using swords like from star wars, or witcher, and I know you pointed out already in here that this video is technically pointless, since you already know its just a game and not really that important, what would be better, is a video COMPARING the two and showing how exactly the real fighting styles would go about making quick work of the movie and game ballerinas
now we know geralt is not actually fighting practically against humans but consider this, he is a monster hunter and thus fights to kill larger things that don't really have the mental capacity to see a move coming.
Guillaume is the best fighter in the Witcher...
Wasn't that this unhappy person?
Kyle Netherwood was he in the games or books? I haven't played the games and I have forgotten if he was in the books
Oh please. Everybody knows that Ronvid is the best fighter
You have a point. These movements are more like Jedi using lightsabers than swordsmen with longswords.
Man there are 2 flaws in your argumentation :
- You say Geralt wouldn't cut anybody in half with his lazy swings and anyone would avoid it while he's dancing like a balerina. Well, as you mentioned it, the motion captures used for Geralt's movements are made by a stuntman, with human speed and capacities. Watch again the VERY FIRST witcher 3 trailer ( killing monster ) and look again how fast he took care of 3 armed men...with a dagger and tell me again if his fighting style is unefficient. The thing is, they couldn't or wouldn't or didn't want to give him super human speed ingame, maybe to make it challenging, i don't know, but Geralt doesn't fight like he should ingame.
- The second point is something called willing suspension of disbelief ( i sure you know what it is, if not, check wiki-something ^^ ), so when you acept the idea of dragons, wizards, undeads, monsters etc... why would you think rationally about the realism of someone's fighting moves?
I understand why you brought out that video and i respect that, trying to warn the youngers not to try this at home because they could get hurt. But if some gamers aren't able to separate the real thing and the fiction to a point where they hurt themselves, well, you can't help it.
It's not worst than 10 or 12 years before when all the dumb kids wanted to imitate the stunts of the Jackass's crew or the wrestlers and got hurt in their gardens. I, myself, when i was a kid wanted to make my friend blow into pieces with the tip of my fingers like Kenshiro or kick their ass with unreal techniques like Saint Seya's knights.
Little boys will always copy what they admire, what they think of as an ideal model of virility, to a certain point, and, if some gets hurt badly in the process, well, let's call it natural selection ( lol ).
They also say in the books that fighting like a Witcher is not good for non-witchers' health as it would be quite suicidal. Witchers (and Ciri) could afford this style because they were trained to sense and reflexes and agility to react when they were about to rush into a sword.
But then Vilgefortz comes around and cripples Geralt with his staffcraft alone and later we learn of a certain bounty hunter who studied Witcher fighting style and, and could and did kill three Witchers in duel. He knew when they would dodge and where they would be and he simply placed his sword in the right place and the would be dead Witcher did the rest.
It's too bad you dont know who KenseiSL was. Not as good as natori stuff..but so similar to witcher dance blades of the gods.
Gudkarma I was wondering if you knew any good sources to learn Kenjutsu. I love HEMA and always wanted to learn kenjutsu because it would help broaden my knowledge of how a sword was used as a means of defense all throughout the world but unfortunately I've never been able to find anything that deepened my limited understanding of Japanese martial arts
You wan to LEARN it? the best source is a teacher. Did i misunderstand your question?
Gudkarma I know the best way to learn is through a teacher but I live in central Wisconsin so if I were to learn from a teacher I would have to travel, I was just wondering if you had any books or online sources to recommend that went over technique drills, cutting form, footwork, and body mechanics that could help a beginner get a good grasp on how to use a Japanese sword.
If there's no one around for you to feasibly learn from, then yes its hard. You can also do some distance learning through the internet. As well i have some videos on my channel on how to handle the sword. However you might not get the correct ideas just watching videos. this is a tricky subject; learning through watching videos. i can not recommend any books at all on how to learn sword. as for cutting. its not necessary at all to get into that. especially without a teacher or having proper basics. cutting practice is not all important. Also doesnt University of Wisconsin have a Kendo club? i'm sure you've looked in your area. just mentioning that. you could of course join up my patreon and get private lessons there. but i hate to plug myself. ^^
Gudkarma Alright thank you, I would rather not learn kendo because even though it is a good basis for footwork and stuff like that I am just much more fascinated by how things were done historically rather than how things are done now for sport. Thanks for the help.
To be fair Witchers have such augmented speed and strength that in the books a witcher fighting "all out" is described as just a blur. They also have spells like Quen that can let them go full Leroy Jenkins and absorb a hit or two and keep on slicing and dicing.
Normal people don't have those enhancements and would of course get killed pretty quickly.
Pls make course-like videos teaching us how to use swords for real.
Me and my friend are working on an app, to help people learn. :)
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I know a 6'4'' half scot bastard that fights like this with a Danish warsword (overall length is 58'', 42'' blade.) and it is both effective AND terrifying. He does this in full plate. The warsword itself is atleast 6lbs. The point is that this IS doable, but it takes strength and control and an understanding of movement. Unless you're an sca/hema armchair warrior, this is effective.
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Garalt is too good with a sword to use it like a normal person 😂😂 like, he’s nearly a century old (according to vesemir’s words)
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I have not idea why any one would spin before attacking someone in front of them. It looks cool until you realize you lose track of the person your facing, you are open for attack, and your movement telegraphs your swing. its like "wind up spinning" your arm before a punch.
You might like a few videos from the channel "The Sword's Path".
This guys explained how to reproduce some of Geralt's moves. Really instructive without really taking it too seriously.
I agree that learning it isn't worth it, but it was interesting approaching those from a HEMA point of view.
You might enjoy his videos, actually ;) Ninja Eugene would for sure !
By the way, great video as always ! Keep up the good work !
Thanks man.
Yeah, I watch Sword's Path, Alan is a really nice guy. :)
I think of it as this: if Geralt were in the real world (and/or other Witcher things), he'd probably use proper londsword techniques since he wouldn't be restricted by books and games and the overall 'rule of cool' idea. That would only make him even MORE deadly than he is shown in the books or games.
I'll start by saying I completely agree with all everything you said in this video, but one thing to consider is that the ridiculous fighting style of a Witcher is also used against monsters. I'm not going to say wither or not those spinny bullshit moves would be effective against a monster, but as I said, it's something to consider.
P.S. I love the Witcher.
Potato Synthesis Honestly, spinning around would probably be even more dangerous around monsters.
You make an excellent point.
Spnis are made against multiple enemies. For example when monsters attacks you in a pack , you have to attack multiple direction at once , the best way to do it is the spin.
Dont fight like geralt.
Don't die repeatedly before downing an entire batch of swallow, some grilled chicken sandwiches, and month old bread while spamming axii
Pff.. amateurs. I'm next level since I even _listened_ to the books already, after reading them several times[1].
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Well done KnightSquire. Nothing left on the topic. I still like the sequences, since they are great for warming up.
[1] The books are surprisingly old today and yes I do re-read good books after some years.
I own the books and they're at my bedside to read again, but I don't remember the last time I didn't fall asleep watching RUclips...
You do the Witcher moves to warm up?? A guy in my club loves to throw in a spin every now and again, Loves catching people off guard with his Witcher style. Never fails to crack me up.
I do. Not the real fancy ones though. Many require to _be_ warmed up already and I'm no gorram rubber ball.
If the opponent is stunned then Whirl away, lots of minor cuts will make him bleed fast.
Just try some ballerina thing like this in real sword fight. You'll be dead in 2 seconds. Or try any of your fancy stuff. It is not working like that. And it's good that games don't show realism because it's not fun. It's brutal and really fast.
Arya's sword instructor must have been a helluva fighter in his prime.
The first Witcher game's "swordfighting" was fucking hilarious in how bad it looked. Can't always make it look decent the first time, and CDPR's no exception.
Joshua Madoc Take into consideration it was their very first big(ger) game
And holy shit, did it show. They learned a lot since the first and second.
Well, Witcher swords are describes as being so sharp, that even hovering your finger an inch above the blade will draw blood.
Fantasy > Reality. Deal with it. :D
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Don't forget , Geralt is a monster slayer. Monsters moving different than humans. Maybe these movements are weird against human npcs but i can imagine those spins are actually useful when a pack of drowners attacks you together. Probably these techniques are one of the reasons why Geralt better monster slayer than the regular soldiers.
This video's really cringey. A lot of the comments made on your original video were correct
One major difference is that witchers have super human abilities meaning speed, and the fighting style is only used by witchers(except Ciri)
Let's not forget with humans he's basically just practicing his skills for when he verses monsters and is a supremely insane master of swords so
I mean, just the fact that his torso is wide open, you can just duck and stab his midsection (critical) or stab at his ankles just to make fun of him.
This guy reminds me of some people on forums that posted a sarcastic post, when then go out of his way to make sure people understand his sarcasm.
Its bad that Geralt cant do proper hema, but very good that he can shoot fire from his hand. Thats really useful in fighting anyways.
The guy with the long hair surprised the heck out of me. Didn't expect that.
You are great! I've just picked up my weapons again after fencing on my college team. Thank you for your continued efforts to debunk live action, obviously choreographed and animated game play "bouts". Posting this on Facebook!
I know it says his fighting style is quick and unorthodox in the books, but I don't think it ever says he leaves himself so open or telegraphs his moves like he does in the games.
Thing is: if Geralt fought like a medieval knight would the fighting part of the game wouldn't be that fun
Well, He is a superhuman mutant, so that's probably why it works so well.
Makes me think of the MTV movie awards parody of Star Wars EPisode 3. "I must warn you, I'm very good at backflipping." SPINNY SPINNY JUMP SPINNY SPINNY
The argument wasn't if Geralt fought like people historically did, it was if his style is/would be effective. Which aside from you trying it in one way, even after you say you aren't able to do the things that Geralt's choreographer does, it wasn't mentioned
The one problem with HEMA is that it ignores the traits of eastern fighting styles. Geralt's whirling style is based on the moves of Chinese broadsword, which was used on the battlefield quite extensively. Korean sword styles also employ spinning techniques, though the better way to spin is AWAY from your opponent. Just because the character has a European weapon does not mean that his style is based on European techniques.
GRRM himself said that the best recent fighters in the Seven Kingdoms were Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister and Barristan Selmy, with Dayne coming out on top because of his magic sword.
If you ever fight like Geralt you're just gonna die. Unless you hold the block button
I assume the Witcher Dance technique is mainly useful against monsters, and not humans....since he is trained to kill monsters and but not humans.
It’s not just that Geralt is faster and stronger, he’s also got magic. Magic potions, magic swords, magic armor, Witcher signs, etc...So the reason his style works in the story is because of magic.
Good point. But he was killed because he wanted to spare this pitchwork fighter. ;)
And as aid - Geralt's fight style in books was... well, random. Sapkowski said once that he wrote random words for his fights. So even now - fight scenes in games are much more realistic than in books, even if they don't work. Cause you can't attack with parry, but AFTER parring.
I read the original books in Polish and there were no descriptions of Geralt spinning or doing anything like he does in the games. Descriptions of fights in books are usually focused on effects of Geralt's actions, not on a way he achieves them.
Yeah anyone with working pair of eyes should known that spinning around a longsword is a bad idea
So of Geralt‘s sight, everyone else is disabled
I think Geralt only hits because he moves so much faster than a normal human.
It's a fighting style used to fight monsters. Even the games makes that clear, since is way harder to twirl around killing a mob of bandits than a bunch of drowners.
ALL three games enforce that detail.
It's just that the later two removed the Stance mechanic, so you can't actually choose the "single combat stance" or "suddenly surrounded by a pack of thugs stance".
Besides, there is always room to complain on sword fencing realism in games, especially ones in 3rd person. Because all enemies need to telegraph their movements so you can actually see they are attacking. That happens even in Kingdom Come, which is so acclaimed to be accurate
Geralt’s method is unique and difficult to master. You can fight with it,so long as you know how.
About Arthur Dayne's skill, he is confirmed to be the best swordsman of his era by the author. I think he said, without his sword *Dawn* he'd be very close in skill to Barristan Selmy but with it he was better.
Loving the videos. Keep it up man!
One point and i'll knock this one out of the park - He's a Witcher, he battles monsters and the like, if he was fighting people with swords and shields I imagine his fighting style would change.
There is also the gameplay element. The charged sword move makes no sense in real life for instance, but it does so in a video game. The longer de wind-up, the stronger the move, and the more satisfying it is to land, that is common practice in games. Also, geralt has mambo jambo grenades that freeze people. That helps.
Well remember, the training regimen of witchers is unique and complex, and takes years to master. Besides, just because it's not conventional, GERALT uses the style best for him.
Actually the books show him fencing. That’s how they trained in the books. Not spinning out of control.
As far as Arthur Dayne he was called the best knight in all of Westeros by several sources, the fact he wields Dawn meant he was the best swordsman the Daynes had to offer. He also made into Kingsguard out skill not his highborn status. So I think he was a hell of a blade by those standards and multiple characters praising his skill. Even Jaime claimed him to be one of the best.
I find it funny how even in the game, you often get hit in the back while spinning around. I can't count how many times a downer killed me because geralt decided to do the stupid animation where he spins around to cut distance. They'd always hit me in the back while the attack was winding up
I'd have to say you're pretty spot on. I've been doing sword work for over 10+ years and yes I was taught well (Not these self taught people that think they're the best). Mind you, I've been doing this for over a decade and I still feel like I have a ton more to learn. Anyway, my point is most sword work in reality is done quick, precise and deadly. You want that first attack to land and end the fight as soon as possible. The more you dance around like in the witcher the more you open yourself up.
The new background is okay.
As long as Geralt have food it doesn’t matter how he fights.