Ep 14 Solo Sail from Azores: Why there are no solar panels or wind generator on my boat
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2017
- Beginning my solo sail of 900 nm back from the Azores. I describe the fuel cell that is installed on my boat. In the category 'continuous learning', I admit I did not know you could tension the leech line at each reef point (and not just at the clew).
I have started watching these videos. An incredibly pleasant change from the more common tourist videos. Seamanship is a fair bit more interesting than watching young couples struggle.
I couldn't find a young bikini volunteer to accompany me. ;-)
Aspiring sailor here. I binge watched your videos on Sunday. I've learned more from your videos than any other sailing videos on youtube. Thank you, you're my new hero - no BS.
Very kind of you Yas. Thanks for watching. I hope my adventure inspires some people to go take lessons with a pro to learn how to do it right. Best to you my friend.
Completely agree! Patrick has a lovely gentle way about him, with gravitas! A great communicator and inspiring to watch! Personally speaking, whilst formal instruction is recommended, you never stop learning from experience, even on smaller boats. Get started in a dinghy at a local sailing club. That’s how I began and I’ve now got my RYA Day Skipper theory and practical and my VHF licence. Fair winds...
@@patricklaine6958 is there a way to not make the boom swing and crash back and forth? Love your videos Patrick plz keep them coming!!
Absolutely Rory. If you look around the 1 minute point in this video you will see a device hanging from the boom with a blue line running through it. That is called a boom brake. If I pull that line and tie it off, the boom will not swing anymore. I just hadn't done it when I filmed this segment because I knew I was going to tack in a few more minutes. That banging sound is very irritating --- so 'preventers' or 'brakes' are used to stop that movement of the boom. Fair winds.
Great info and pleased to hear you track north to avoid the back and forth I hear alot of people sharing. I wondered why I wasn't hearing your version. Pleased to have found your channel of such valuable information.
Watching all the over sailing videos is more about National Geographic - this is what we all want to be watching !! Everyone of your videos are great story telling of what you are going thru, feeling and seeing as a sailor . Passing on all your knowledge is what has us all hooked on your videos - keep them coming , stay safe and fairwinds
Very kind of you Stasi. Many thanks for watching. Very best regards.
I could not have said it better!!I totally agree!thanks for sharing!!!
..i have solar pannels, i didn't know about this Efoy fuel cell...really expensive but really efficent. Thanks for the tip Patrick, Fair Winds ;-)
So lovely to find you here Patrick. Learning so much xxx
Thank you for sharing .......ur material and presentation is second to none.
Enjoyed the narrative and film. Very good, beginning to end. I will admit, the 'small' item of unsecured rigging shackles from a Navy veteran, produced a chuckle.
I wasn't in the real Navy Bill. I was an aviator. :-) I'm sure the professional ship handlers in the USN roll their eyes in disbelief.
Cher Monsieur, je vous remercie pour vos videos. Je prépare un voyage en bateau a voile a travers la mer Baltique, et je trouve vos films très instructifs et je prends énormément de plaisir a les regarder. C'est vraiment comme un courant d'air frais qui vient soudain du moniteur.
Stanislav
Saint-Petersbourg, Russie.
Merci Stanislav pour ces commentaires sympathiques. Je vous souhaite des bonnes navigations en mer Baltique.
I've always had a fear of / respect for the ocean. These videos are delightfully educational and entertaining! Fair winds.
-Phantom Shipmate Landlubber.
Much appreciated Phantom Shipmate. :-)
*i Never ride a boat , i have no idea how sea's work. youtube suggested your video out of nowhere and i am loving your videos. interesting and scary at the same time. Love from Pakistan
Very kind of you TM. Thanks for commenting.
Just discovered your channel and I learn something new from every video! These fuel cell "generators" seem like a good alternative/addition to solar. The main drawback I see is the methanol: availability in remote destinations and fire/explosion risk.
I never had any problems finding methanol --- and a quite a few camping vans use it as an energy source as well. I guess availability depends what part of the world you live in. As far as safety, the plastic bottles it comes in are super secure. I tried to get access to the fluid inside once, and could not. There are about three levels of security to prevent leaks....
Maybe read up on fuel polishers , simple devices to keep your fuel tank pristine. That was a fantastic journey ! Thanks for sharing . Fair winds & following seas !
This guy is a real sailor.
if real sailors are the ones who avoid storms and don’t understand electricity
then yes he’s a real sailor
Hello again Patrick, greetings from Fort Assinibione, Alberta, Canada. I want to thank you for all the valuable information you so generously share with your audience. This subject on power cells is the solution I have been looking for aboard my C&C 39. I can't thank you enough, Fair winds and friendly seas. :D
Thanks Richard. My only regret with the Efoy Fuel Cell is that I have the intermediate size one, and feel it is slightly underpower for my boat when lights, autopilot, fridge, etc., are all on. The batteries hold their charge under difficult circumstances (autopilot working hard), but are not fully recharged. I'd get the larger one if I had to do it again. Thanks for the kind words.
Patrick - stumbled onto your channel and glad I did. Phenomenal experiences and lessons. Am a Chesapeake Bay sailor and I salute your courage, perseverance, calmness and professionalism. God speed!
Many thanks John. I too sailed the Chesapeake, and have great memories of that (40+ years ago). I'm delighted you enjoyed the series of amateur videos I made -- mistakes and all. Much appreciated.
We all make mistakes. It takes a secure man to acknowledge them. Am also a sculler (rower), which I first took up in school ~36 years ago. I also frequent Annapolis and the Naval Academy.
Hello to you my Dear friend ! Great video again ,many thanks incredible beautiful videos. Fair winds and following seas. The best regards.
I enjoy your films very much. This way I get to know what it is like to the Azores and back and learn a lot along the way.
You're very kind Aryan. My trip to the Azores this year was a terrific adventure. I highly recommend it if you are thinking about it. This Fall I will run along the coast of Northern France and probably cross the English Channel, before leaving on a major trip next Spring --- though not yet sure in which direction. Very best to you.
I stumbled upon your channel when it was suggested to me and I’m loving them. I started at the beginning and just finished Episode 14. Thank you for sharing nuts and bolts of sailing. I really appreciate learning about the Efoy Fuel Cell. I had never heard of it and am really interested in getting one. Keep vlogging. These are excellent videos.
Many thanks for the encouragement STBO. I really like the fuel cell. Today a small fleet of sailboats left La Rochelle (my home) on a transatlantic race. They use the fuel cell also. My major regret is that a boat my size really needs the next larger capacity. Thanks for watching.
I have seen a few of your videos. You are an inspiring sailor, sir, every video a sailing lesson. Stay safe!
Very kind of you Paul. Thanks.
Great videos-- I'm also a retired military pilot and working for an airline. I'm hooked on sailing, but am a beginner, and I have learned a lot from all of your videos--- and I appreciate your pilot's self-deprecation that good pilots are equipped with-- I see myself enjoying a few laughs at my own expense from time to time as well. Please keep posting your videos. They are magnificent. Blue skies.
Many thanks Steve. The nav stuff and wx will be nothing for you. I had to learn a bit about diesels, and then lessons with instructors to master the basics (tacking, gybing, etc.). After that, it's just a question of getting out there, often. Blue skies.
Hello Patrick,
I have greatly enjoyed all your videos. Thank you for alerting me to the fuel cell option for recharging batteries.
Regards
Sandy
Thanks Sandy. Much appreciated. Thanks for commenting.
Just discovered you on RUclips. I have watched three but randomly, however, I'm very impressed with the way you deliver your commentary.
Very kind of you Crestfallen. I think they speak to a special niche audience of a special profile sailor -- which is just fine. Many thanks for the feedback.
Loving this videos. ❤
Some how your first video ended up in my recommended and I have been captivated by your adventures and knowledge. I actually had to look up some of the terms/ procedures you are referring to for better understanding. This is episode 14 and looks like there are many more adventurous to watch.
Thanks RL. I shared my learning process during three major passages. I hope to make a fourth this year! Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing your adventures. Subscribed.
Thanks for watching ZT. Keep safe on your bike.
Another great and informative video Patrick. Very interesting about the fuel cell first time I heard of it seems a much better alternative to noise turbines and solar panels hanging every where. Cheers.😀.
They've been around a while George, but never really caught on in the sailing community. (They are popular with those big caravans/mobile homes --- and many professional racing sailors use them.) I think yacht owners are worried about being able to find methanol in exotic places. I've never had a problem finding it in the coastal areas of Europe (but I've not yet sailed to really unusual ports). I carry three 5 liter jugs with me at all times. My only regret is that I have the middle size Efoy; I really would like the additional capacity of the larger one. Thanks for dropping by.
Simply awesome fuel cell solution instead of solar, wind, or water generator to charge batteries. Add a good size battery bank along with a large inverter and you've got power covered nicely. Well done. I see the EFOY 210 in my future for sure. So glad you shared! Thanks!
Excellent Prov. It sounds like you have avoided my error by sizing it correctly. Fair winds to you.
Thanks for the info on the Efoy! Did not know such a thing existed. A little pricey for my budget, but then solar panels used to be very expensive and now they are quite cheap (so long as you stick with rigid ones). Fair winds.
Thanks Kevin. They are a bit on the expensive side --- but price will probably come down as you suggest. I think they are popular with the caravan/mobile home crowd, so perhaps that volume will drive down the price. I enjoy your Chesapeake sailing trips as I lived there many, many years ago. Cheers.
Great info about the fuel cell. Also didnt know about them. So now you’ll have to get into bad moonshine distilling (methanol vs ethanol) to get free fuel !! 😉. Failing that if you make some good moonshine you can trade it for methanol !!!
Really wonderful-good luck
Many thanks Antoine. Much appreciated.
and the next episode is about failed schackles on the boom.....don´t let the boom swing around like that, things will wear and brake, plus the noise. so after bashing about that, I would also like to thank you for your videos, a lot of good work that has gone into making all of them, much appreciated.
Gilbert O'Sullivan would be pleased ;). This is becoming my favorite sailing subscription. Thank you sir!
You noticed! In other episodes there is a Bruce Springsteen, Lionel Richie, Cat Stevens and a Gordon Lightfoot. I was having some fun with my daughters. Many thanks for the kind comment Drano.
I caught the Gordon Lightfoot but not the others. REALLY appreciate the explanations. I am a new sailer, trying to get our first real boat. Soon I hope!
Good luck with the first one Drano. Its a great adventure.
I’m learning .following your update .
Im dreaming about solo sailing around the world after quit my job end of 2018. I have to learn and watch more video before I buy my own used sailboat.
Thank you for shared your experiences.
Have a always safe trips. Sir.
Many thanks for the kind words Nile. My path to solo sailing was 1) taking group lessons to learn the basics, and then 2) sailing up the coast for a week with an instructor and other 3 other students to learn about 'blue water' and coastal piloting. (I did several of these 'week long' passages. Very helpful.) Then 3) I took private lessons with an instructor to learn how to do all of the maneuvers by myself, solo. Then 4) I bought my sailboat, and took more private lessons with an instructor until I had enough confidence to go out by myself, and then 5) practice, practice, practice....with each passage becoming a bit more challenging until I was eventually doing overnight solo passages, and then blue water passages. Go for it my friend! It's great fun and a wonderful learning experience.
Yes. Sir.
I am learning. thank you. I wish I will be with you afew trips teach me real experience.
So great. Enjoy your life. Mr Patrick.
The most important thing to do before buying a boat Nilefreedom is to take lessons from a professional not only to learn the basics, but also so you can see the type rigging you prefer such as single line reefing, or 'at the mast' reefing, etc. Unfortunately, I am not a professional instructor, but would be delighted to go out with you one day after you take some lessons from a qualified professional. Thanks very much for watching and commenting.
and yet another song 'Alone Again Naturally' thanks for the journey PEACE
Great videos. Thanks
Many thanks Andrew. Much appreciated.
Hi Patrick, I enjoyed your videos. They are very informative. We have a Bavaria 30 which we cruise off the coast of Wales . Let me know if you ever arrive in Milford Haven in West Wales. I will buy you a beer!
I intend to stop in Wales on my return…..but not sure yet which ports. (I used to live in Cardiff, but going all the way in, and then out again, adds quite a bit to an already long journey.) MH is a definite candidate. :-)
I come from the ship world, namely military vessels in the 3K ton variety. Usually we draw fuel from the 'day' tank rather than the mains (we carried 800 tons of fuel). It would seem that have such an arrangement would be a good idea in a yacht, pump in filtered fuel and have a sight glass so you can observe the condition, then run the engine from the day tank thru another filter. It would probably be good if you had your tanks cleaned and then use a biocide to kill the little critters before they start having babies, it would probably be ideal if you emptied your tanks occasionally, especially if you are not using the boat. During any period of non-use the day tank is dried out pumping that fuel back into the mains. Our engines developed about 6,000 hp (2 x 3k) and fuel was centrifuged rather than filtered due to the flow rate (about 100 gallons/hr per engine). Same with our crankcase oil, each engine had about 500 gallons in the case). Engine oil was tested every day but never changed, additives were replenished based on testing, fuel dilution and water were boiled out during operation. jet airplanes have similar problems with fuel contamination, they use an additive called 'prist' to kill the buggers.
Day tanks are a great idea, and many larger yachts do exactly as you say Henry. They aren't really suited for smaller boats though, as we are really pressed for space as it is. That said, I have now prepared a rig where if the engine stalls due to clogged line/filter/bad fuel, I have a 20 liter tank (plastic jerry can) of clean fuel in reserve that I can feed right into the secondary fuel filter with a bit of piping I keep aboard just for that purpose. :-)
One more great video, no bulshit just sailing ;)
Congrats
Thanks Joaquim. An old guy like me can't attract beautiful young ladies in bikinis, so you have to put up with lessons I learn along my sailing journey. :-) Erik Aanderaa makes some great sailing adventure videos with "No beaches, no bikinis, and no pina coladas". Check him out for some great entertainment (and terrific sailing photography).
Joaquim Henriques I
You got me interested in the fuelcell technology. Unfortunately it seems pricey and shortlived. The datasheet for the Efoy 150 (Version 03/21) states that the output will be down to 60% after 3'000 hours and it will contnue to go down. So, if you exchange it after 3'000 hours, after burning 180 l of methanol (at pharmacy-prices) you will have paid more than 4'000 Euros for 200 kWh of Energy.
Hello RS. I won't challenge the numbers --- but rather the duration. When I am at sea, the unit operates 2-3 hours per day (max). Normal ops on my boat would be 'on' at 0600 to 0730 to completely recharge the battery, then standby until 2200 or so when it would again turn on for 1-2 hours to fully recharge the battery -- then back to standby. At that rate, you have about 1000 continuous days at sea..... Remember, if you put the engine on to change anchorages, or to heat water, or to drop the mainsail --- the EFOY stays in standby for an additional cycle of 8-12 hours. It would be used even less if you have 1 or 2 solar panels trickle charging the batteries during the day. I have used my EFOY for 4 years and have not noticed any degradation in efficacy. On the other hand, I have the '140' version, and for a boat like mine with no wind vane (high electricity usage for the autopilot), I really needed the '210' for its extra charging capacity. That said, there is no denying that it is expensive. Starting again, I think I would opt for solar plus a Watt&Sea hydro generator (also very expensive).
So nice l will use for my boat too, l’m refitting my Hellberg Rassy Rasmus. Thank for info 🙏
My regret with the fuel cell is that I have the medium capacity one, and for my boat (with no wind vane), I really needed the large capacity fuel cell to provide that extra charging power.
@@patricklaine6958 Wow l will take that in mind and lookup, thank you.
I think you have one of the best sailing canals....for me.
Fuel cell...wow ;-)
But I agree on that you shoud by one biger one. 5,something...hmm. Thats only the autopilote?? Fridge is 2amp?
chart plotter, pc.... But for me,- not living in the Caribien ;-) If I can get a good deal on one that produce just
a bit more angry pixel ;-)
And your sailig tips is rigt up my alley ;-) I learn somthing!!! Thank you ;-))
Thanks Anders. Yes the fuel cell is neat, but as you calculate correctly, undersized for this boat. I'll get it right the next time. Very best to you.
Hello, I know you bought a new boat and no longer have Isabelle. On the new boat you should consider a wind generator and/or solar panels to provide more power. A single solar panel will provide peak power of a couple hundred watts. A wind generator can provide up to 500 watts. Just a suggestion.
Thanks Rex, wind generators are not very practical on this type of boat, but I will be installing two solar panels off the stern in the near future. :-)
I visited St Miguel when i was doing my duty service in the Greek Navy. Tears came to my eyes. I wish you showed some views of Punta del Gada. I dream to go back sailing one day. Just a small question. How many years are you sailing? Your films are excellent. Fair winds
I too have wonderful memories from the Azores. :-) I learned the basics of sailing 45 years ago --- really just the basics --- and then spent the next 40 years flying (my other passion). I only took up sailing seriously about 2.5 years ago. I'm having a wonderful time learning as I go along. Thanks for watching.
A pleaser to watch yours vidéos.
Much appreciated grimgr.
Patrick when I saw your video of the approach to Horta under a Gale I thought right away ..why doesn't he have a Wind generator or solar panels. Wind generators are awsome in windy conditions, they can easily power the entire boat (auto-pilot, radios, navigation equipment and the like) an load the batteries at the same time. Specially under a gale win forces.
Solar panels are also a very good solution and ..of course there is the underwater generator. But I never heard about those Fuel cells being used on sailboats. A good solution but I still prefer the wind generator/solar panel combos ... :) Good videos.
I think most people would agree with you John. Choosing a source of energy is always about 'trade-offs' (it doesn't work when no wind, or no boat speed, or no light, or when in Sargasso seaweed, etc.). I thought I was OK. "If the fuel cell doesn't keep up. I'll just turn on the engine for an hour." :-) Anyway, by turning off all non-essential electrical items, it did get me home, so I'm a happy sailor.
Well the answer I think would be to have the fuel cell And wind generator. So that the fuel would function as a backup generator for the times there was no wind. Of course I assume there is a switch off on the fuel cell or to the charge controllers of the batteries, so that when there was wind one would simply disconnect and shutdown the fuel cell to save on the alchool. I think on this perspective Fuel Cells are great, of course there is always the energy price issue ... I don't know what is the price efficiency of the fuel cells. Heck maybe buying a regular fuel generator (those 900W Yamaha/Honda types) would to the trick ... something to think about.
You can turn the fuel cell off manually, or just leave it on. It will not convert any methanol until the voltage falls to 12.2 (or wherever you set it). Thus, if the wind generator is keeping the batteries charged, the fuel cell will not turn on. (These machines are quite expensive though, as you suggest).
Hi Patrick, very nice and usefull videos. I love them. Could you tell me where you store the fuel cells? is there a discharge port for water/warm air? Thanks.
if you come to Italy come sail with us in tuscany.
Thanks for the kind words Luca. The fuel cell is about the size of a business briefcase, and is installed beneath one of the seats (around the table) in the cabin salon (with charge cables that run to the battery bank). There is a small plastic tube that comes out of the 'briefcase' that discharges waste water (pure). Some people let it drain into the bilge, but I let it drain into a 2 liter plastic bottle that I empty every 3-4 days when at sea. In addition, there is the methanol bottle that come in either 5 liter size or 10 liter size that is strapped in next to the briefcase. (I use the 5 liter bottle ---- that lasts about 3-4 weeks at sea, but that will vary depending on how often you run the engine and how much time you spend at anchor.) Thanks for the invite to Tuscany. I'll give a shout if I pass that way. :-)
I forgot for the warm air --- yes, there is a small hose that runs forward to discharge warm air. It just runs into another storage space below one of the other seats around the table. I've never had any problem with this, but the space with the briefcase and the methanol bottle and the plastic bottle for waste water is a bit crowded, so it's probably best to discharge the warm air in a more open area. (The air really is just 'warm', not hot.) Regards
Patrick Laine Thanks a lot!
Amazing content . You nail things but put them into context
Thanks for the kind feedback Dave. Much appreciated.
A ship in a harbor is safe, but that is not what ships are built for. Well done, sailor!
Many thanks. I hope many others will give solo sailing a try.
Hi Patrick, I am about to install an Efoy 140 on my boat and I have a question for you: have you connected the power cables to the battery directly or to the fuse board where the battery cables feed the whole boat electrical system? Thanks for your help! Cyrille
I sold this boat last year, so this is from memory. The Efoy did not go through the main distribution panel. It was hooked directly to the battery and the small EFOY controller. I liked mine, but found the 140 that I had to be a bit underpowered for my boat (as I used the electric autopilot 24/24 -- no wind vane). It was a great piece of equipment though and worked well for me.
Congratulations on a great video series. Your calm demeanour is admirable.
Regarding fuel cell and wind generator, I would prefer a well engineered wind turbine
I have an AirX 403 wind generator. that can produce 300 Watts at 30 knot apparent wind speed
On going from Bermuda to Azores with 40 knots for 3 days, there was always a full battery bank (400 Amp-Hours), despite autopilot and fridge usage. We ran for 5 days without starting the engine.
It cost circa €1000, and the steelwork to support it was a further €200. The wiring integration was €50. A once off expenditure.
I understand that the French racing mini transat boats and Figaro racers are fuel cell equipped.
I am intrigued by the fuel cell. Is the methanol safe to store and is it readily available?
I think an ideal set-up Noel is to have two sources of energy -- wind generator for when it blows, and something else for when it doesn't. My fuel cell works very well, but is undersized for my boat. I wouldn't hesitate buying one again, but would want one with a bit more capacity. I think the fire risk concern about methanol is widely overstated. Yes it will burn, but many boats also have gas aboard for the outboard, and it burns. There are tens of thousands of mobile homes/caravans with fuel cells. Let's not overstate a risk that is very manageable. (The methanol comes in a thick plastic jug like a large milk bottle, but even when you take the top off, it's contents are sealed. If a spill occurs, it evaporates very quickly.) It is readily available just about anywhere in Europe and the USA (due to mobile home use and industrial markets). I think it might be much more of a challenge to find it if you are sailing in the Pacific Island chains, or other exotic places. Good question. Thanks for asking Noel. (I'm not a big fan of the look or vibration/noise of wind generators on boats, but that is very subjective.)
@@patricklaine6958 The Efoy site makes it sound like you need to buy sealed cartridges, but it sounds like you pour in methanol to a tank to fill it. Did they change the system since you got it?
You buy either a 5 or 10 liter bottle of methanol. You unscrew the cap on the bottle and insert a probe from the Efoy unit. You cannot refill the bottles due to the construction of the inside neck of the bottles. They say it is for safety reasons, but I suspect that commercial reasons weigh heavily in the decision. ;-)
@@patricklaine6958Ah very good, the commerical reasons were what I was assuming as well. Thanks for the info.
Excellent as always sir!
I never knew of the leech tensioner on the larger sails. It does not pertain to my boat, but how do the lines hold tension once you pull on them? Some sort of clamcleat?
Exactly Dialed. There is a little notch above each reef point that you pull the tensioner line through that holds it in place. I recently was on a boat that where the leech tensioner was at the foot of the mast. The line ran from the foot of the mast, to the head of the sail and down through the leech. To tighten you pull and lock at the foot of the mast. Clever system.
That does seem nice and tidy, but with my ignorance it almost seems like a lot of extra line as it would also have to run all the way down the boom correct?
Your system has a few feet in play, and seems to apply the keep it simple methodology
Yes --- but sometimes when the sail is eased out, it is difficult to reach the leech tensioning point (without first winching in the sail). That said, you are right, I prefer my system.
I'd think a 400W wind genny would be a great thing to have. Probably $1,000 US installed. Get you 10-30 Ah charging power... then use the pricey fuel cell for backup.
Yes I like wind gennys because they charge the batteries irrespective of the weather( apart from calms obviously ) .They charge every minute hour,day,week ,month year even in the dark !I suppose a mixture of wind and solar is the best option.
Like the way you pronounce Portuguese names! 😁
I bet they all chuckle a bit. :-) Thanks for watching Leonardo.
Patrick Laine pretty good, don’t worry! Yes, I follow your channel for a while! And we almost crossed each other because I was bringing my new baby down, from Lorient, few days ago. I was sailing the biscay gulf and la coruña and west Portuguese coast. Single handed sailing, just like you! Hope we all get always good winds and seas around that area! 😬💪👍
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Hi Patrick, that's the first I've heard of the efoy system but it certainly looks like a great alternative to charging by engine. Were you tempted to install one on Alessia, or did she in fact have an efoy and I just missed it?
The Efoy model I had on my Bavaria was under-sized for the recharge level I needed (though it worked very well). Efoy has recently upgraded their various capacity offerings, but they are quite expensive. I decided to give solar panels a try on Alessia, and was very pleased with the results -- though I really needed to resize my battery bank (above the very small lead acid battery the boat came equipped with). Many long distance racing boats here in La Rochelle are fitted with Efoys, and they wouldn't use them if they didn't work well. :-)
@@patricklaine6958 Thanks Patrick. I don't know if you're aware of the Sailing Wave Rover channel but I think you'd enjoy it. A fellow Canadian embarked upon an Atlantic loop similiar to your own in a Contessa 26, it's well worth a look. Hope to see you back out on the waves again soon in your new boat!
Now I'm intrigued. Ive heard of fuel cells but didn't know you could buy one, or how they worked. Sure beats drag inducing solar panels and generator. If you could eliminate the diesel with an electric motor you coul get rid of thruhulls for strainers and fuel filters, all that. Hmmm
To see more on fuel cells, check out 'EFOY' website. They are popular with mobile home users. Not cheap though. Electric motors will eventually replace the diesel, and a few sailboats are experimenting with them now, but with today's existing technology, the safest option is still the diesel. I'm looking forward to the day we can get rid of them.
Agreed. I think the weakest link is the solar charging system. It seems like salt would impede the solar panels too, and would need constant fresh water rinsing.
I don't think salt water is such a big deal on the panels. Birds are a real problem, and even far at sea the panels need to be cleaned due to their 'gifts'. :-)
Great video(s) and information on Efoy fuel cell. I was wondering how reliable they actually are.
Many thanks S. The Efoy is simple to install, simple to operate, and very reliable. My only regret is that mine is slightly under-capacity for the size of boat I have. Thanks for watching. Much appreciated.
Hello Patrick, I have just bought myself a old 37ft Southerly and have to decide , what energy system to choose/install. Would you still recommend the Efoy Fuel Cells?
The EFOY system is simple and can be installed rapidly. They are also reliable, and used on many classes of Transoceanic racing sailboats. My negatives are that I have the "140" model, and for a boat without a windvane, I really needed the "210" for the additional capacity. I also understand that it is difficult to obtain the methanol bottles in N America if you intend to sail there (because EFOY is not marketed there). Finally, they are very expensive. Solar is relatively much less expensive --- but if much of your sailing is to be in the Northern latitudes, it might be better to focus on wind or a hydrogenerator like "Watt&Sea" for power. In sum, I guess I would go with the inexpensive solution first -- solar --- and if it doesn't work for your setting, go to a Plan B. Good luck with the new boat.
@@patricklaine6958 Many thanks and fair winds, Patrick.
Hi Patrick,
What about availability of methanol outside developed countries?
20 years ago we where begging for kerosene at small airports to keep our primus cooker running... priming it with grok or cheap blindness-booze...
I have only sailed in the western world Lamberto. In areas where camping cars / RVs are used, it usually is not too hard to find methanol, as it is widely used in those communities. Remote islands in the Pacific might be a challenge….
Patrick, how much methanol do you take on a passage like this? According to Efoy spacs, tthe 140 uses 0.9l per kWh, which is about 80 Amps.
It is sold in 5 and 10 liter bottles --- I always bought the 5L size and on most trips had 5 bottles aboard. On no journey have I ever used more than 3 5L bottles (during the entire passage). I was amazed at how little I used. For example -- on my trip around Iceland --- the longest stretch at sea at any one time was about 6 days. If you turn the engine on for an hour to create hot water every other day -- the battery is charged. If you run out of wind and decide to motor sail, the battery gets charged. If you make a marina stop, the battery gets charged going in and coming out. If you motor up into the wind to drop or raise the mainsail, the battery gets charged. In addition, on my 2020 adventure to Madeira, I had installed temporary solar panels on the foredeck --- and they kept the battery fully charged going into sunset. The EFOY would come on for and hour or two at 0200, and the battery would be charged until the solar panels took over again. My criticism of the EFOY I have is that it is undercapacity for the load on my boat (fridge, autopilot 24 hrs, lights, radio, AIS). It might have been the right capacity if I had a 0 electricity wind vane aboard, but I did not. I really needed the next larger size (210). They are also quite expensive. Solar is the most economic by far.
I assume the autopilot is by far the worst when sailing solo... Thank you for your response which goes pretty much towards what I was thinking... IT IS VERY EXPENSIVE POWER!
Didn't know that about the leech line either, thanks for sharing! Do I understand correctly that the fuel cell uses the same gas as the cooking? And given your fuel cell decision, do you think that solar panels or a wind generator doesn't do the trick (also: cost efficiency)?
Yeah, PU. I was a bit embarrassed that I didn't already know you could adjust the leech tension at each reefing point. ! The video is not clear about the fuel issue. The cooker uses gas, propane I think, that is bought at the local supermarket. The fuel cell uses liquid methanol that comes in a 5 liter plastic jug. It has a special leak-proof top that you insert a probe through that powers the fuel cell. The waste product of the fuel cell is a small amount of pure water. I do not want a wind generator on my boat because of the noise/vibration (though I'm sure I could get used to it). Solar panels also are a bit bulky, are not all that efficient, and have a tendency to blow off in storms (at least on RUclips!). I think when I get another back-up system, I'll probably get a hydro generator like a Watt&Sea. Many racers use them and give them great praise. Expensive though. Thanks for watching.
Hey Patrick, we're loving your videos! A quick question, how long does the 5 liters usually last you?
It's a little difficult to say because if you run your engine (for example, to make hot water or to drop the mainsail and just run on the genoa, or to motor sail due to lack of wind) the battery will be recharged for that day and you will have no use of the fuel cell. That said, in general I felt that a 5 liter bottle would last me ten full days or so..... Thanks much for watching Sail Fast.
Hi Patrick, wondering whether to get a Watt and sea hydro generator or an Efoy 210. I don’t like charging with main engine and not a lot of space for solar. Your advice would be greatly appreciated!
The Efoy is great (though I should have gotten the larger size model). That said, knowing how fast my boat is, and how seldom I am 'becalmed', if I had to do it again, I'd definitely go with the Watt & Sea. There is an additional consideration though ---- My boat has a very wide swim platform that lowers. If you go for W&S, ensure that it can tolerate any off-center placement you may have. It would be 'challenging' on my boat. Fair winds.
Patrick Laine hi Patrick,
Thanks for coming back. I have seen some reports of ‘watt and sea ‘that are putting me off a bit. Thinking about Sail-Gen now, but not purchased anything yet.
Thanks again and looking forward to seeing your next trips on you tube.
Great video as always... the real thing if you ask me. No bikinis which is "also" alright ;) :D However I have a question: why don´t you block the boom? I guess that it´s not good that it is hammering to both sides when the main is down???
I do lock it mou nir. This first season of filming I filmed at the same time every day --- just after shaking out a reef in the morning, or after putting in the reef for the night. I undid the 'lock' (actually a boom brake) for those maneuvers, and filmed before putting the brake back on. In seasons 2 and 3 you will hear much less banging, because I filmed differently -- with the boom brake on. :-)
Remember the one third rule. If you ignore it... It's just a matter of time until you fail!
For morons like me trying to learn...what is the one-third rule? Thanks.
Hello Patrick, I’ ve been doing some research on the Fuel Cell generator, Efoy comes top recommended for yachting. pricey generator (looking up the 210) but can considerate the purchase. Is consumption expensive? and safety wise? I take it you never get close from the fuel in anyway? A Yachting Monthly article also says that the generator won’t work on a 15+ degree inclination and the cell doesn’t last long (less than couple years for all season cruising). What is your experience? Cheers, Best
My EFOY 140 is 5 years old and works fine. This is the first I have heard of the 15°+ problem. I have never noticed my EFOY turning off. Ever. ??? I use the 5L bottles. They are very safe. In fact, you can't access the methanol, because the top has an inner seal that prevents access (including to refill). The bottles are expensive, but they last a long time -- at least, how I use it. You would be surprised how often you turn the engine on -- to enter or leave an anchorage/marina, motor sailing, or turning on the engine to generate hot water. Every time you do that, the Efoy shuts down for the next 12-18 hours. If you watched my trip to Iceland last year, I used one 5 liter bottle in that 112 day voyage. I love the EFOY, and my only complaint is that the 140 is undercapacity for my size boat. For that reason, I have temporarily installed a couple of solar panels for my transat this year, to provide just a bit more electricity as I will be using the electric autopilot for weeks at a time.
@@patricklaine6958 Glad to hear that after about 5 years it is still working fine. The article was surprising for saying the lifespan was short and can’t incline more than 15degree, you have graciously uncovered the misinformation there. Methanol is meant to be super cheap but if the bottles are well made and safe that is reassuring me. I haven’t watched your trip to Iceland but will do now. Thanks for the wee in-depth review and fair wind to you
Hi there i know this video is old but in that video you are about to pass my home town vila Franca do campo where you have that little island in front called ilheu thanks
I may well to Ponta Delgada return next year. I had a great time there!
Hi Patrick, I am about to install an EFOY on our boat. What’s your long time experience? Still satisfied? Thanks and all the best Michael
Thanks Michael. The EFOY system is simple and can be installed rapidly. They are also reliable, and used on many classes of Transoceanic racing sailboats. I have not had any reliability problems in 4 years. My negatives are that I have the "140" model, and for a boat without a windvane, I really needed the "210" for the additional capacity. I also understand that it is difficult to obtain the methanol bottles in N America if you intend to sail there (because EFOY is not marketed there). I have no problems getting the refueling bottles here in France. Finally, as you know, they are very expensive. ;-)
@@patricklaine6958 Thanks a lot Patrick. This helps a lot. We will be sailing in the Baltic Sea / North Sea for the foreseeable future. So the supply of the methanol shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
What are your plans for this year?
Pandamic permitting we will join www.midsummersail.com and then work our way down the East Swedish coast over the summer.
Best Michael
Any way to muffle the metal clanking of the .sail
Yeah -- that is a silly filming error I made during the first season of 'RUclips'. In future seasons I filmed, you will notice much less banging, because I do what all sailors do --- secure the boom with a brake or preventer before filming. No one puts up with that banging for long. My error was to film at the same time each day, just after making a sail change (and before securing the boom). Thanks for watching.
Hi Patrick. Just came across this episode and was wondering what size of Efoy you have in your boat?
Hi Gayland. Much to my regret, I have the intermediate capacity model, the Comfort 140. I strongly, strongly recommend to anyone considering this for a boat to get the larger capacity Comfort 210. Other than that, no complaints. Fair winds to you.
Hi Patrick. Can you elaborate as to the specifications of the methanol ie: content/%, where you refill, can this be acquired abroad say in the southern atmosphere, etc.
I am working toward a sailboat purchase and subsequent adventure. The North Atlantic has always seemed overwhelming but you have showed that it can be cruised, if done correctly, thank you!
The methanol comes in a special 5 or 10 liter plastic bottles distributed through a network of sales agents by Efoy. The cap is sealed so that it does not leak, but it also means they can not be refilled. I do not know if there is a special 'spec' to this methanol. I use the 5 liter bottles, and they last a remarkably long time. This is because every time you turn the engine on to motor sail a while, or enter or leave a port, or move to reset the anchor --- the battery recharges and the Efoy doesn't turn on. As far as finding refills easily --- these units are very popular with mobile home / camping car users, so I think you will find distributors anywhere that those units operate.
Thanks for that but 5.8 won't be enough to keep all that going, please give us most information especially how many total amps have you ?
Actually --- it's pretty close during the day in relatively calm seas ---- VHF, AIS, autopilot and fridge are all that are on. At night I turn off the fridge, but also turn on the LED lights. In rough seas, the autopilot uses more energy, and the fuel cell can't keep up. (I really need a windvane.) There is a larger capacity model, which is what I really needed. (Many of the oceanic racers uses the methanol fuel cell.)
Quick question: I’m trying to understand that wind gauge you just showed. Do I take it the dial is showing wind from port side or is it wind from west c.270*; which? because the French flag looks like wind is more or less from starboard bow\head on...? Please clarify. Thank you.
Thanks for the great question Paul. I looked at the video again and at 5:20 we see the wind is from the port side at about 80° relative back from the bow of the boat at 14.6 kts. Wind gauges ALWAYS read relative to the bow, and NEVER with reference to magnetic North. There is a slight nuance to what I just said in that there is a difference (usually about 15°) between the 'apparent wind' which is caused by the motion of the boat, and the 'true wind' which would be experienced if the boat were stopped. However, both are always measured RELATIVE to the bow, and never based on magnetic North. You can easily calculate it though once you know the relative wind, by looking at the compass. (Just for info, my actual heading at that time was direct toward Spain, so roughly 090 magnetic.)
Patrick Laine hi Patrick, that has been really helpful. I bought a boat last year and never knew or understood how this worked or whether mine is working properly. How does this explain the ensign flag that looks like wind is head on ish?
You are very observant Paul. There is a theoretical answer and a real world answer to your question. Wind at the surface of the water is a few knots slower and ~10-15° aft of the apparent wind at the top of the mast due to surface friction (wind shear). That is the theoretical and observed wind behavior in the labs. In the real world, the wind over the stern where a flag would be is disturbed by flow over and around the sprayhood, deflected wind from waves, and artificial wind from the rocking of the boat. In general, the 'rules of apparent wind' will be observed in the flag, but you may get some unusual variations. The best source of info for what is providing the driving force to your sails is looking at the telltales on the sails, and at the wind vane(s) on the top of the mast. Good question again.
Patrick Laine Hello Patrick, that makes sense, so just refer/clarify your first answer above if you were heading for Spain due east 90• and wind reading there was c.80• off the port bow. Am I right in saying the true wind was at c.330•
Referring to your second answer, I assume if the wind was directly abeam the ensign would be less affected by apparent wind and other distributed winds from the rig/hood etc, right?
Finally, Would love to see a video on everything to do with your auto helm, pros,, cons, accuracy, brand etc. some food for thought...!
Sorry for these taxing questions but you are helping to unravel some big mysteries in my head....! Your videos have been really helpful, realistic and honest. The truth prevails every time. Thank you, Paul 🙏
Meant to say 10• and not 360 above...🤔
Whereas the nautical rules require adequate lookout to be maintained at all times, when passage making how do you sleep?
Good question Sterling. I discuss this (controversial) topic in some detail in Episode 2. In summary, when coastal piloting, I just stay up. Period. All night. When blue water sailing far from coastlines and shipping lanes, I rig the alarm on my AIS, and sleep for 40 minutes, then get up and check everything, and then go back to bed. Purists will recommend 20, or even 15 minute cycles, but when I tried this, I was completely exhausted after only two days at sea --- hence my 40-45 minute cycles. Thanks for asking.
I did a little research. The rules use the words "proper lookout" (suitable for the circumstances). I suppose it's OK to get a little shut-eye if there are no vessels or obstructions for miles. I also suppose being involved in a collision is prima facie evidence a "proper lookout" was not kept.
That's it Sterling. The notion of taking a nap for 20 minutes is based on the visible horizon and normal vessel operating speeds. It remains very controversial though as to exactly what 'proper lookout' means/requires, i.e., does it refer to the person, or practices employed? I'm not sure I would go as far as you have in suggesting that a collision means proper lookout was not maintained. At sea at night it is very difficult to judge distance by looking at lights, and many vessels (especially fishing vessels) look like Christmas trees, and maneuver irregularly. Thus, a collision may result from incorrect interpretation of stand-on vs give way obligations, rather than improper lookout. Thanks for commenting on this important topic.
If you recall off hand, what is the fuel consumption (methane) of your fuel cell?
The EFOY methanol bottles come in either 5 liter or 10 liter jugs. I usually travelled with 3 or 4 of the 5 liter bottles aboard. (They have a special spout, and can not be refilled.) It is hard to say how long a bottle works, because if you turn the engine on to make some hot water, or or to enter or leave an anchorage, or drop the mainsail, the battery is recharged and EFOY remains in standby. Moreover, I do not have a wind vane, so my power use was quite high (compared to boats with wind vane steerage). On average, a 5 liter bottle would last me about 3 weeks at sea --- sometimes more, sometimes less........ If you get one, buy the largest capacity size your wallet can afford. My '140' is undersized for my boat needs. Fair winds
@@patricklaine6958 Thanks for the info... I had not heard of the fuel cell until you mentioned it. It is a good solution rather than running the engine.
Would you buy another Bavaria 40 or would you get something different? It's a beautiful yacht and looking for options I'm currently investing to ultimately to buy a yacht and become a live aboard.
The length of the boat is perfect for a solo sailor Scott. Long enough to be very comfortable, yet not so big as to be overly difficult to do solo port maneuvers. The "components" on most production boats now come world class companies: Lewmar winches, Volvo Penta engine, Seldon mast, boom and furler, Raymarine navigation system, Webasto heater, etc. After that comes interior layout -- which is very subjective.... Thus, while there may have been a difference between the production boats, and the world class cruisers in the past, I think that gap has narrowed very substantially. Yes, I would buy a Bavaria again without reservation, but yes, also, my experience has led me to want some additional features that my current boat does not have, e.g., an inner forestay, a larger capacity fuel cell to keep the batteries charged, satellite weather capability, new generation radar, etc.
Wow Patrick thank you for getting back to me I really appreciate the feedback. I have a long way to go so currently researching and building up the capital for such a yacht. But now more than ever I have defiant purpose and is my main focus for the first time in my 31 years. I know what I want and how I am going to achieve it. I have watched some of your video's and they're both informative and entertaining.
I'd love a Bavaria. I learned to sail on something similar, 37' though ronnie-writes.blogspot.com/p/resources-and-services.html
Very nice boats, and 35-40 feet is a good size for solo sailing --- big enough to be comfortable in weather, yet manageable for docking maneuvers. Thanks for watching.
Pay a lot of attention to draft (depth) of the boat to match what you plan to do.
Boat architecture changes around 36 feet to be more robust. Not taking anything away from the Bavaria 40, but I would say an even tighter definition of minimal cruiser is 37-39 feet. Tankage, waterline, draft, hull speed, air draft, dock fees/accessibility, deck space: for davits, dinghy, solar panels, turbine, hydro generator, etc. Tartan 37 ;-)
Is ethanol widely available at a reasonable cost?
It is methanol ---- and it is widely used in camping cars --- so wherever you will find travelling homes, you will find methanol. ;-)
Hi. Is this the same as is used in meths/alcohol stoves like Trangia or Origo? Or does it have to be a superior quality?
So, I was waiting to hear what was wrong with your engine on the way to Horta?
It is explained in Episode 13. In summary, it was a fuel line blocked with bacteria (not the filter). Thanks for watching.
Patrick u r no rookie
This series of videos is the best I have seen: interesting, with technical details and excellent explanations. Congrats, Patrick.
But I have one question. You seem to be impervious to sea sickness! What's the secret?
Ha! First of all, many thanks for the kind words Pedro. I was a pilot for many years, so my body/mind is perhaps more used to unusual motion than others. Another key element is staying busy and concentrating on something. When pilots first start training and are susceptible to airsickness, they are forced to concentrate on instruments (altitude, airspeed, heading, angle of bank, etc). This intense focus on something seems to help alleviate symptoms until your body becomes 'immune'. A friend who was a Space Shuttle commander told me he kept his crew extremely busy during their first day in space, and this greatly reduced sickness. So, if you have new people on board, put them on the helm and give them a course to steer, etc. I'm no expert though, but it works for me. Thanks for watching.
Interesting. I suspected that your previous experience as a pilot was important in this regard. Thank you for your advice. Cheers!]
How do you pass the time? Are you a reader? Writing a novel about survival? Have you ever had to climb the mast for repair? Happy sailing.Jim
Reading is a great activity on a boat, because for long stretches of time, you sit there with not much to do. :-) Writing would be difficult on a boat --- too many distractions to concentrate, but I'm sure some manage it. I have gone up to the top of the mast many times (using a halyard to hoist myself in what is known as a bosun's chair). I have never had to go up the mast while at sea, and hope I never have to do so.
Can you post a link to your fuel cell? Could not quite catch it.
Sure: www.efoy-comfort.com/ I love it, but sincerely regret not having the largest capacity size one for my boat, especially since I do not have a wind vane mounted and rely on the electric autopilot.
What size and type boat do you have
My boat is a German-built 2008 Bavaria Cruiser, 40 feet long (12 meters). Thanks for watching MapMat.
Well, this explains why you have the fuel cell. It does not explain why you don't have the turbine and/or the solar cells (more specifically, why you have one instead of the other). Any thoughts...?
Second, I've seen in your previous episode a Topomarine binocular with compass behind you, in a shelf on the wall. This episode the Topomarine was just behind you on the table in the cockpit, which means you use it regularly. What exactly do you use it for? Is it useful? And... do you really use it? :) In no other sailing channels was there any skipper using binoculars. Ever!
The idea behind a fuel cell si that it is stand alone. If you have solar, or wind, your really need the other for when conditions are not right. That is not the case with a fuel cell. However, the reason I do not praise it more or speak about it more in public, is that mine does not have the capacity it should have for my size of boat/electricity footprint. There is a larger capacity unit available, which is really what I need. That said, my small one is quite good, and instead of recharging with the engine every 14 to 18 hours or so, it adds an extra 6-8 hours to that cycle. And, it is self-sufficient when at anchor --- no need to run the engine.
The Efoy fuel cell just doesn't seem economically practical to me compared to other methods of battery charging... Such as using your onboard diesel engine, or get a Wind generator, solar panels, water propelled generator, or even a simple portable gasoline powered generator which you can buy for under $400...
Or get all of the above...
And right now, since prices have gone way down is to replace all the old lead acid batteries with lithiums..
Yeah, the future is clear -- lithium phosphate. I (and most cruisers) really hate using any kind of a motor (diesel or gas) to charge batteries. The noise is spirit crushing, especially if you have to do it at 0200 to get you through to sunrise when solar takes over. You really need two sources in addition to your engine, e.g., solar and hydrogen; solar and wind turbine. Methanol fuel cells are quite expensive, but not enormously more than a good hydrogenerator. I quite liked mine, but it was the wrong capacity for my size of boat. On my new boat, the expensive, but very high performance solar panels I have treated me very well during a circumnavigation of the N Atlantic. My next upgrade will be to lithium phospate.
He’s Patrick the sailor man! How can you afford to do this lifestyle?
what month was this?
April and May of 2017. Fair winds to you.
I have a question:
As you admit to being a rookie sailor, what are you doing out in the mid Atlantic alone?
Rookie doesn't mean beginner. When I was a pilot, one of the hardest decisions was to decide (as student and as instructor) when a person was ready to solo. You can always say, "Let's go up once more together", but eventually the student must believe, 'I'm ready'. Before setting out on this adventure, I had passed all of the written exams (equivalent of RYA Offshore), been up and down the French coast several times with a pro and other students, and sailed solo several dozen times, including overnighters across the Bay of Biscay. I wasn't an expert, but I wasn't a beginner either.
Really enjoying your videos Patrick. A refreshing change to see a sailing channel that is actually about sailing and nothing else. I note that you have a French flag. Are you based in the south of France?? me too! A tricky place to sail with either lots of wind or none. If you ever need a good crew member then you'll find me at www.pegasusfrance.co.uk . Keep putting up the videos as your doing a great job!!
Hello Scotland. Some great videos from Samingo Sailing have tempted me to head up to Eastern Scotland, and perhaps over to Norway next Spring. I'm actually based in La Rochelle (Atlantic coast of France), but am very familiar with the violent wind changes that can occur in the Med where you sail. It's not a big calm lake. As for microlights, my instinct for self-preservation tells me that I lack the hand-eye coordination to fly anything as challenging as one of those. ;-)
Could you not put something in the water like something that spins to recharge your stuff
Yes ---- that exists. They often pick up seaweed and jam --- or other boats pass too closely aft and cut the line. Newer versions just swing down from the stern --- but you need to be doing about 5 knots to generate meaningful amounts of energy.
Patrick Laine thanks Patrick
Why would you end a video like that?
Ha! You have noticed my very limited editing abilities Graywolf. ;-) Thanks for watching and putting up with my clunky presentation. Best regards
Well, either way, it's much better than my videos so far lol
I noticed you are always alone, do you prefer it that way? If so.....why?
Not really. It is just that I do not have the family or work constraints of many of my friends, so in order to go out sailing, I had to become self-sufficient....... Being alone at sea is both challenging and rewarding in its own special way. I also enjoy sailing with others though, so am not 'religious' about solo sailing. I just want to be able to handle any situation, no matter the level of experience of my fellow sailors.
I have a question for you Patrick. You’re wearing a wedding ring, but in one of your vids a couple episodes back, you said you are a bachelor? I’m married but wife can’t handle long passages, so I’ll be sailing solo (which I know I’m going to love). If you are married, your wife is ok with you gone all the time?
Love your Chanel. Stumbled upon it looking at sailing videos. Yours is absolutely the best. Great advice and information. NO BS. Thanks for that!
Thanks for the question Perry. I was referring to my cooking skills with the bachelor comment. My wife has zero desire to go sailing. Doesn't like things that move around. Something about opposites attract I guess. My trip to the Azores (and leisurely return) meant I was absent for about 9 weeks (plus many short 2-4 day trips during the year). That worked OK. I'll probably do about the same next Summer. Works for us --- but I guess each couple will have to find their own formula.
There is a jam cleat at every reef.
Exactly Daniel. I just never realized that until this trip (having always only adjusted the bottom one). In one of my videos I point this out and film it. Rookie mistake.
they all ways slip , I tie a knot in the leech line where I want the tension , it seems to hold -most times .
bill hanna I can not argue that they slip and I have used a knot as well. I have had however, mainsails that had jam cleats that worked pretty good.
I think what your talking about is hydrogen
Well, I'm not smart enough to know what the chemical reaction is Fry Pan (and it may well involve hydrogen), but the fuel jug you purchase for the fuel cell is definitely methanol. Thanks for watching.
I was wrong. I had no idea a methanol fuel cell exsist
can you PLEASE invest in a Rode dead cat for your microphone? The distortion is awful.
;-) You are commenting on a video that is 4 years old. I have since changed cameras, which allowed use of a dead cat that greatly improved sound quality.