I'll skip this gen in anticipation of at least a 1.7 liter, turbo, 2WD, 300+ bhp that not only changes the gears for me, but also does the steering and braking, so that I can fully devote my attention to operating its 26-inch touch OLED screen, while vlogging through the built-in 8K selfie camera with a ring light to evenly light my face while sipping my frappucino served by the on-board coffee machine. Because that's what adventure is about!
Well that's a bummer. The no clutch is a no go for me. I want to shift my bikes like a motorcycle not drive a big scooter. I don't care how good the "AMT" is.
Enjoy losing every race buddy, motorcycles are falling behind cars heavily, getting smoked by cars that literally cost less than them, the clutch is the issue.
@@Waldo1122 I'm pretty sure people interested in racing cars aren't exactly into adventures. Also what cars around the price of a 190hp bike can even beat the bike?
True. I was pretty against any kind of DCT, AMT etc. But being able to pin the throttle and manually still bang through the gears without a clutch sounds like it could actually be fun! Will have to test one come February.
@@Eric-MarshSo will mine. So looks like in full auto for doing commuting and town work could be good. All depends how responsive the automatic gearbox is. I’ve only ever driven automatic cars and the lag for gear changes is horrific. Hopefully it’s come along way.
My new Audi has lane assist and it’s dog shit, I nearly cleared a cyclist up the other morning. I have to remember to switch off everytime I get in it..
@DaleFairdale oh really? But they allow apple carplay?, I mean I kind of get it if it's due to safety concerns as we aren't as concerned about apple users. But hey what ever it is it's a lame excuse as e will still use out phones with google maps. Just don't get it.
Although not a KTM guy, don’t fall for android,CarPlay shit. It’s all about the bike, you can buy an after market device and have CarPlay on a 1970’s two stroke bike… it cost 50 backs for a big company to add CarPlay and auto android……
As an ex owner of an 1290 super adventure s 2023 i have to say that this machine is the best in this category by far. I've rode all the bikes of this class and the KTM is unique.Cheers🎉
Just my personal opinion but the dash, transmissions and tech overload are a big no for me. It feels like this coming year may be a tipping point of going too far down the wrong road.
I think Honda have still done it best (although for some reason I remember MV Agusta doing something similar on one of their touring bikes) having the option of making your bike clutchless , semi auto or full manual
Im still enjoying my '22 SAS, but at least KTM keeps improving/evolving their Adventure series. 12000 miles in and I have not had any issues. Recently went back to a 90/10 tire (Continental Trail Attack 3) and was reminded what a beast she is on these Ozark backroads.
Come on, guys, there are beautiful adventure bikes out there: Africa Twin, T7 World Raid/World Rally and DesertX. The KTMs are not among these bikes. Better looking than the old model does not equal being handsome. KTMs always look a bit cheap. The 1390 is no exception. On top, it's useless offroad.
I personally will never purchase an automatic motorcycle. A big part of the thrill is railing up and down the gears efficiently. When you hit it right it's a sweet feeling. I'll hang to my 22' 1290 thank you very much.
5:00 I'm sure this is simply an ECU that was developed by Bosch or one of the other manufacturers... and now all the Bike Manufacturers are adapting it to their bikes.
The move towards no clutch is interesting. It reminds me a little of the TV manufacturers in the 2007 credit crunch when people stopped buying luxury goods (TV’s). They needed a way to get people buying. Suddenly Hollywood start making movies in 3D (Avatar,Gravity, Sky had a dedicated 3D channel). Before you knew it all the manufacturers made 3D TV’s. With Bike sales down I wonder if this is their 3D TV’s moment. Just a thought 🤷🤷
It's a Sports Tourer in the shape of an adventure bike. My left hand has enough to do while riding. It doesn't need another job. They could put a rear brake lever up there as well..... then I dont need feet. Not for me.
I get the uproar about the gearbox, however, my last few bikes have all had quickshifters, so the only time you use the clutch is when you come to a stop, and move off. The rest of the time, it’s effectively an automatic. Not having a clutch lever will seem odd initially, but I guess we’ll get used to it, as most big ADV bikes will be automatic in a few years.
I just picked up my new 2024 R a month ago... Taking her to Spain for 8 days in December. Not sure I enjoy the new look, but KTMs aren't known for the looks! I did enjoy the overlay of the bikes on the screen. Cool and/or fun editing skills.
Interesting. You can change with your foot, so its like on normal bike just using quickshifter, just dont need to use it when you stop/go. Honda dct dont have that, it was boring. I like the looks very much. Much better than old, waiting for sas reveal. 1300gs or 1390sas is my next bike to replace old 14 1200gs.
As a 21+ SA owner I’m not a fan, I dread to think what this costs now too. Mine was £14,999 new which was pretty good for a big adventure bike then. Hopefully the non-evo still has electronic suspension.
No clutch level? Meh. Only use it at annoying times when stopping or starting. We already love quick shifters/blippers. Why all the archaic love for a crappy lever that we only use when pulling up to and taking away from some lights? Do we class ourselves as riders only because we can use a clutch twice per track session or when stopped on road?
I use my clutch all the time…even with QS I still use it to wheelie, popping front end up over speed bumps etc and even slipping the clutch for some noise. The clutch adds all the fun. I think it’s great for a tourer but not nakeds, superbikes or supermotos and the likes of.
14:00 Unrelated but how do you guys put those little bike images so they look like they're miniatures on the desk? Never seen that on any RUclips channel before.
I was sitting/waiting at my dealer for my front wheel replacement under warranty, looking at the 1290 Super Adventure in white and orange last weekend, and from the back at an angle, they are gorgeous bikes. But that front headlight is SO wide, damn it's ugly. I was walking around, also checking the new 1390 SuperDuke, I hated the new predator headlights on pictures, also IRL, still hate them. Now, on this new adventure, it grows on me to be honest, weird.
Personally LOVE the new Transformer styling on that bad boy! & please get the Baron Von Gustet on that bad boy launch... See if he nearly pukes & crashes it again! Then loves it! 😁
Not really my kind of bike but for those who it is for, looks great 😁👍🏻 this AMT stuff is a more practical evolution for motorcycles than aero has been so far 😅
But remember lads the S is the the most off road focused road bike ktm do and the R is the most off road focused road bike they offer as per their 2023 guffage
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to lane assist. Sub 1. The lane assist won't even activate when overtaking if the turn signal is on. Sub 2, the lane assist doesn't offer so much resistance that it could overpower you. and under 3 lane assist will turn off after crossing the dividing line on the road so it can't possibly make you collide with another car when overtaking. Don't talk nonsense if you haven't had experience with such cars.
According to the googe there is a 1490 smt coming? I've been thinking about doing a 17" conversion on my 1290 but I'd wait for an extra 10bhp 😁and a clutch...
Previous 1290 Super Adventure claimed 160 at the crank and dynoed at 130 to 135. 10% Driveline loss of 160 is 144. What happened to the other horsepower? Perhaps KTM marketing bullshit? Will that same marketing bullshit be in place for this supposed 170 horsepower motorcycle? It would need to make 153 on the dyno. Can it?
Hoping it can now equal acceleration or walk away from an s1000xr. That’s what I want from a dirt capable adv. some fully tuned 1290adv make 150+ whp, so I 1390 tuned should be over 160whp
Adventure bike are probably the fastest growing bike segment over the last decade. The fact that even Harley makes one now, HARLEY, is proof adv is making money.
Will be too expensive for normal people who are now buying bikes made in China. More technology equals more stuff to go wrong also. Nobody takes bikes like that off road it's all bollox.
If I wanted a car, I'd buy one. The only fancy electronic I want on a bike is lean sensitive ABS. Nothing else is required. I've changed rider mode a couple of times on my KTM 890AR, but have gone back to street after a short while. Pointless. What the hell is a quick shifter for? Oh yes, to disguise a substandard gearbox or rider.
It still has a 19 inch front and now the auto so it a definite NO and I doubt the brakes will be any better, come on KTM it’s a road bike give it proper wheel sizes and road brakes not leftovers from the off road versions.
😂 I realized on the Rubicon: anyone who has ridden with electric start or a rekluse clutch, probably has gummy tires.. proper gearing and Couldn't handle the same trail on a kickstarting 2. Stroke motorcycle from the year 2000😮 Learn how to ride😂 and be bold! Nobody needs Barkbusters, or lever protection... Or pipe guards or or anything but balance, timing,🪄 flow and good luck 🙈
I'll skip this gen in anticipation of at least a 1.7 liter, turbo, 2WD, 300+ bhp that not only changes the gears for me, but also does the steering and braking, so that I can fully devote my attention to operating its 26-inch touch OLED screen, while vlogging through the built-in 8K selfie camera with a ring light to evenly light my face while sipping my frappucino served by the on-board coffee machine.
Because that's what adventure is about!
😂
I’m looking forward to my motorcycle riding its self and then I can sit at home and be safe 😂
Well that's a bummer. The no clutch is a no go for me. I want to shift my bikes like a motorcycle not drive a big scooter. I don't care how good the "AMT" is.
Enjoy losing every race buddy, motorcycles are falling behind cars heavily, getting smoked by cars that literally cost less than them, the clutch is the issue.
@@Waldo1122 I'm pretty sure people interested in racing cars aren't exactly into adventures. Also what cars around the price of a 190hp bike can even beat the bike?
@@Waldo1122and what racing series has cars and bikes side by side then?
@@TheScortUK On the streets which the bikes are literally made for.
@@robinv2758 A Tesla model 3.
More importantly does it come with the legendary KTM reliability and customer service ?
For real, wouldn’t touch em with a ten foot pole at this point.
I was sure this was the question asking if it comes with ... a power band ...
KTM reliabili.....liability you mean! AHhh Yess
🤣🤣
For real, stay well away.
What a machine. Not sure it’ll prise me away from my 1290 super adventure S mind. Bloody love that bike. Unashamedly team orange.
It's not a huge upgrade but still an upgrade
True. I was pretty against any kind of DCT, AMT etc. But being able to pin the throttle and manually still bang through the gears without a clutch sounds like it could actually be fun! Will have to test one come February.
@@HamRidez My 1290 S with the quickshifter.will do that.
I agree. My '22 SAS has the bi-directional quick shifter and it works brilliantly. @Eric-Marsh
@@Eric-MarshSo will mine. So looks like in full auto for doing commuting and town work could be good. All depends how responsive the automatic gearbox is. I’ve only ever driven automatic cars and the lag for gear changes is horrific. Hopefully it’s come along way.
My new Audi has lane assist and it’s dog shit, I nearly cleared a cyclist up the other morning. I have to remember to switch off everytime I get in it..
And still no android auto or carplay, seriously what is wrong with motorcycle manufacturers we are nearly in 2025
Why would a motorbike have carplay you turnip. Buy Spotify, put your headphones in, press play and stfu moaning
Google doesn't allow Android auto on motorcycles anymore
@DaleFairdale oh really? But they allow apple carplay?, I mean I kind of get it if it's due to safety concerns as we aren't as concerned about apple users. But hey what ever it is it's a lame excuse as e will still use out phones with google maps. Just don't get it.
@@Richardmurden Yeah its purely a safety concern, and its google not the motorcycle manufacturers.
Although not a KTM guy, don’t fall for android,CarPlay shit. It’s all about the bike, you can buy an after market device and have CarPlay on a 1970’s two stroke bike… it cost 50 backs for a big company to add CarPlay and auto android……
They finally fixed the clutch master cylinder failures!!! Go!!!!!! KTM!!! +they give a KTM-spec reliable touchscreen to keep you busy now
The base model africa twin in black and desert x are actually great looking bikes.
They are the best looking Adv bikes for sure, for me the Tiger 900 is acceptable.
The Scrambler 1200 xe is a great looking 21 inches wheel bike too.
Personally I love the look of the T7 too even though it’s more a lower budget option.
Yea but it has now like 60 less horsepower. The Africa Twin needs a serious engine update.
@@sd5458the AT has never been about loads of power so it will probably never be a powerhouse compared to the other big ADV bikes.
I'm gonna wait til the 1590 SARXTZZRKV comes out in a couple of years; then these 1390s will be a great secondhand bargain.
As an ex owner of an 1290 super adventure s 2023 i have to say that this machine is the best in this category by far. I've rode all the bikes of this class and the KTM is unique.Cheers🎉
Until it shits itself as KTM’s seem to
Where are you adventuring?
23 ? And you don't own it anymore is not a call on any bike . 2 years it still a new bike
Just my personal opinion but the dash, transmissions and tech overload are a big no for me. It feels like this coming year may be a tipping point of going too far down the wrong road.
It's one of the reasons I'll never buy these types of bikes. I go out on my bike to get away from tech. I dont want an iPad in my face when I'm riding
@@Jonathan-yd8ud exactly 👍👍
With that torque, do you really need to change gears?
True!
I think Honda have still done it best (although for some reason I remember MV Agusta doing something similar on one of their touring bikes) having the option of making your bike clutchless , semi auto or full manual
MV have it across most of their range. Scs. Al did a great video on it a few years back on their Turismo. I have one now and love it.
How is that any different than a quick shifter on a guchi superbike? Clutch is used only once on startup and take off. That's it
You’d have to be quite brave to want to be a KTM/AMT beta tester.
I’ve got a 2020 1290 SD GT and absolutely love it. I’m on it in Southern Italy right now. But this would defo tempt me for the next trip!
Im still enjoying my '22 SAS, but at least KTM keeps improving/evolving their Adventure series. 12000 miles in and I have not had any issues. Recently went back to a 90/10 tire (Continental Trail Attack 3) and was reminded what a beast she is on these Ozark backroads.
Why couldn't they then put the rear brake where the clutch lever was? 🤔
That would be a good and easy mod if there is room for the lever.
Just what the 1290 SA needed, more hp and torque, lol.
This will be great for people's who's left leg cannot change gear due to falling off a bike previously, so that will be me then.
Come on, guys, there are beautiful adventure bikes out there: Africa Twin, T7 World Raid/World Rally and DesertX. The KTMs are not among these bikes. Better looking than the old model does not equal being handsome. KTMs always look a bit cheap. The 1390 is no exception. On top, it's useless offroad.
Ffs I love my 2020 super adventure and been waiting for this for 5 years and no clutch 😢 it’s a massive no from me
Well there's going to be a 1390 Super Adventure S, without the EVO. This surely will be with a conventional gearbox. In 2 Days we will know more. :)
@6:57, is that the engine having a bit of a wee and dumping its oil? Standard KTM fare then?
That front mudguard would be no good in the Australian outback. Mud will be built under it and could cause trouble.
I personally will never purchase an automatic motorcycle. A big part of the thrill is railing up and down the gears efficiently. When you hit it right it's a sweet feeling. I'll hang to my 22' 1290 thank you very much.
Is there an option to buy it without all the electronic guff I don't want and will never use ?
KTM? Probably - you have to pay to have a lot of what is installed enabled. 😂
Yeah, buy a Suzuki
Yes get the S model. Non evo
No one is buying a KTM, stocks have gone down almost 2 billion😂🤡 they should have fixed their cam issue LOL
You should do these live for Supachats. You’d literally make thousands
5:00 I'm sure this is simply an ECU that was developed by Bosch or one of the other manufacturers... and now all the Bike Manufacturers are adapting it to their bikes.
You could trade in your 890 for one. Sorry i forgot they dont want them back 😮
The move towards no clutch is interesting. It reminds me a little of the TV manufacturers in the 2007 credit crunch when people stopped buying luxury goods (TV’s). They needed a way to get people buying. Suddenly Hollywood start making movies in 3D (Avatar,Gravity, Sky had a dedicated 3D channel). Before you knew it all the manufacturers made 3D TV’s. With Bike sales down I wonder if this is their 3D TV’s moment. Just a thought 🤷🤷
Fair point, and where is the 3D Tv now? 😂
It's a Sports Tourer in the shape of an adventure bike. My left hand has enough to do while riding. It doesn't need another job. They could put a rear brake lever up there as well..... then I dont need feet. Not for me.
Sorry guys but if someone has issues with stalling a bike , should not fricking think of sitting on a bike above 50hp.
I get the uproar about the gearbox, however, my last few bikes have all had quickshifters, so the only time you use the clutch is when you come to a stop, and move off. The rest of the time, it’s effectively an automatic. Not having a clutch lever will seem odd initially, but I guess we’ll get used to it, as most big ADV bikes will be automatic in a few years.
You guys should test ride the new Africa Twin with AMT, apparently it's really good.
Hopefully the “R” is a conventional manual with clutch.
I just picked up my new 2024 R a month ago... Taking her to Spain for 8 days in December.
Not sure I enjoy the new look, but KTMs aren't known for the looks!
I did enjoy the overlay of the bikes on the screen. Cool and/or fun editing skills.
Yay, another 44 teeth video
Statham: Alo Gobby
Me: Charming..
Great to see ye again lads
Absolutely luv it! My one’s been stolen (2021), so maybe if I’ll get AMT they’re not going to nick it ☝️😂
Interesting. You can change with your foot, so its like on normal bike just using quickshifter, just dont need to use it when you stop/go. Honda dct dont have that, it was boring.
I like the looks very much. Much better than old, waiting for sas reveal. 1300gs or 1390sas is my next bike to replace old 14 1200gs.
tracksuit awareness campaign indeed. orange ftw
Was all ready to trade my 22 1290 s in till you said no clutch….. that’s a no from me
Want!
Can't afford.
Crying.
As a 21+ SA owner I’m not a fan, I dread to think what this costs now too. Mine was £14,999 new which was pretty good for a big adventure bike then. Hopefully the non-evo still has electronic suspension.
Love my 2021
Even good off-road when set up!
I sort of like the waggling front end when on the gas !
🤩😂😂😎
No clutch level? Meh. Only use it at annoying times when stopping or starting. We already love quick shifters/blippers. Why all the archaic love for a crappy lever that we only use when pulling up to and taking away from some lights?
Do we class ourselves as riders only because we can use a clutch twice per track session or when stopped on road?
It's obvious, for the people that still enjoy to pop wheelies! And yes you can do powerwheelies but it's not the same..
@@samme933 fair call!
I use my clutch all the time…even with QS I still use it to wheelie, popping front end up over speed bumps etc and even slipping the clutch for some noise. The clutch adds all the fun. I think it’s great for a tourer but not nakeds, superbikes or supermotos and the likes of.
If I didn't want a clutch, I'd go and buy a scooter 🫡
14:00 Unrelated but how do you guys put those little bike images so they look like they're miniatures on the desk? Never seen that on any RUclips channel before.
It’s the 390 adventure r i’m really interested in. Will it smoke crf300 and cfmoto 450mt (ibex)? Time will tell I suppose.
Looks pretty good actually
I was sitting/waiting at my dealer for my front wheel replacement under warranty, looking at the 1290 Super Adventure in white and orange last weekend, and from the back at an angle, they are gorgeous bikes. But that front headlight is SO wide, damn it's ugly. I was walking around, also checking the new 1390 SuperDuke, I hated the new predator headlights on pictures, also IRL, still hate them. Now, on this new adventure, it grows on me to be honest, weird.
20 seconds in I'm already pissing myself! 🤣
Why cant you have one with both auto/paddle shift and a clutch lever? Just disengage the auto/paddle function when the clutch lever is pulled in?
I was hoping for the motor out of the 1390 super duke r and a 17 inch front wheel, not an automated gearbox.
I dig it. The s on the track. The r will be the dirt one.
No clutch no buy 😢 I'll stick with my 1290sas and get it remapped
They really need to add an upturned semi circle LED at the bottom of the headlight unit 😂
I would want the option, I don't want to be dictated to by KTM. Let's have both, please KTM
I don't know I think I need more torques 😂
Cheers lads you read pdfs like noone else
Personally LOVE the new Transformer styling on that bad boy!
& please get the Baron Von Gustet on that bad boy launch...
See if he nearly pukes & crashes it again! Then loves it! 😁
Very tempting.
I wonder if it will be any quicker than my 790 adventure....🤔
It does look nice. Also the dash is niec. Not too sure about ATM tho... I don't see why ....
Not really my kind of bike but for those who it is for, looks great 😁👍🏻 this AMT stuff is a more practical evolution for motorcycles than aero has been so far 😅
I wished they'd stop hitting these things with the ugly stick. No not Al and grumble!
is evo supposed to be more sporty and competitive with a multi RS?
But remember lads the S is the the most off road focused road bike ktm do and the R is the most off road focused road bike they offer as per their 2023 guffage
I hope it comes in colors that is NOT FXXX OREANGE!
Good bikes ruined by awful reliability. That’ll be KTM
12:07 my wife whenever she jumps on the pillion seat.
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to lane assist. Sub 1. The lane assist won't even activate when overtaking if the turn signal is on. Sub 2, the lane assist doesn't offer so much resistance that it could overpower you. and under 3 lane assist will turn off after crossing the dividing line on the road so it can't possibly make you collide with another car when overtaking. Don't talk nonsense if you haven't had experience with such cars.
Are they making a 17" front wheel version? 🤔
That’ll be a 1390 Super Duke GT, coming soon we here…
According to the googe there is a 1490 smt coming? I've been thinking about doing a 17" conversion on my 1290 but I'd wait for an extra 10bhp 😁and a clutch...
you guys have missed tiger 800 sport
How does one modulate engine drive with no clutch?😕
Previous 1290 Super Adventure claimed 160 at the crank and dynoed at 130 to 135. 10% Driveline loss of 160 is 144. What happened to the other horsepower? Perhaps KTM marketing bullshit? Will that same marketing bullshit be in place for this supposed 170 horsepower motorcycle? It would need to make 153 on the dyno. Can it?
Hoping it can now equal acceleration or walk away from an s1000xr. That’s what I want from a dirt capable adv. some fully tuned 1290adv make 150+ whp, so I 1390 tuned should be over 160whp
Is there any monstrous ADV bike aside from the Africa Twin that doesn't look hideous? 🤔
They screwed the color and graphics bad. No grey and black tone scheme like previous. Design just seems haphazard. -14 1190
NOT the chocolate cam ? mmh, that burns on the tongue, like a good chili chocolate ...
HP. FT/LB not 2367 scientific Amps PS Watts. FT/LB
These type of bikes are so corny 🌽 dont see the appeal whatsoever
Because you’re not the one in the business of making money.
Adventure bike are probably the fastest growing bike segment over the last decade. The fact that even Harley makes one now, HARLEY, is proof adv is making money.
@@jonasbaine3538 the Harley is the best one
@@dyland9211 Lmao. It is riddled with electronic and reliability issues.
I don't understand what's feet per pound or Newton meters represent but😂 torque baby!...
Rider of the SAS1390 is under investigation for exceeding track limits.
The plants are just beautiful guys…chefs kiss😘🤌
Will be too expensive for normal people who are now buying bikes made in China. More technology equals more stuff to go wrong also. Nobody takes bikes like that off road it's all bollox.
The New KTM super adventure SCOOTER 😂😂😂😂
Yes lads!
🙋♂
KTM reliabili.....liability you mean! AHhh Yess
If I wanted a car, I'd buy one. The only fancy electronic I want on a bike is lean sensitive ABS. Nothing else is required. I've changed rider mode a couple of times on my KTM 890AR, but have gone back to street after a short while. Pointless. What the hell is a quick shifter for? Oh yes, to disguise a substandard gearbox or rider.
Well sh$t, I bought a new 24 1290 SAS last week.....
When the Donald Duck did you row for Oxford, dream on, paint cat maneuvers to touch up a mine sweeper is not rowing for Oxford
Looks not great, 50cc more and more electronic stuff to maybe work /or not, KTM= keep the money coming.
What size is the front wheel 17 or 19?
19
It still has a 19 inch front and now the auto so it a definite NO and I doubt the brakes will be any better, come on KTM it’s a road bike give it proper wheel sizes and road brakes not leftovers from the off road versions.
It looks like it fell out of the ugly tree and smacked every branch.
😂 I realized on the Rubicon: anyone who has ridden with electric start or a rekluse clutch, probably has gummy tires.. proper gearing and
Couldn't handle the same trail on a kickstarting 2. Stroke motorcycle from the year 2000😮
Learn how to ride😂 and be bold! Nobody needs Barkbusters, or lever protection... Or pipe guards or or anything but balance, timing,🪄 flow and good luck 🙈
This is a 550 lb motorcycle for touring. Not a 220lb 2 stroke for single track.
Nooooooo, what portrait layout???
In a group ride, fellow rider had an MV with their clutchless system and was jerking all over the place. Looked horrible
Looks like a Lego model
Clutch all day long. Period
Why did you use a full stop and the word period?
Yet you're using a quickshifter, absolute clown.