As a devotee of Nadabrahman I as an individual have been boycotting TM Krishnas music for many years Music without devotion is of NO use Will avoid Music academy programs this year
I too started moving away from TM Krishna as I did with The Hindu newspaper. T M Krishna is part of the Anti-India & Break-India Group. I never expected a person who made a career out of a particular system of Music and became famous because of the very same system would make another big career out of criticising the same system. A Shameless Person. There are many. I would like to boycott those who are accompanying him in his so called concert even today like R. K. Sreeram Kumar for who I had great respect.
How can you say that TMK sings without devotion. Go on RUclips and listen to Rangapura vihara,soo much of devotion filled renderence it is. Every time I listen tears of bliss,goosebumps of realizing Ranga I feel. If you don't feel then you're not having devotion. To take God's name with devotion or without devotion is accepted by God and he gives liberation as stated in Srimad Bhagavatham. Do you have devotion unto God???? If yes,then you would never criticize anyone, because you will find that every soul is from Lord Krishna. I consider you too as part this universe, let's not spread hatredness my soul. Be happy. We all have to bid good bye to this material world one day.🙏
@@sharmilasharmilee1508 I fully agree with you, but you are missing the context. Today’s TM Krishna is out to destroy whatever you are saying. One person tells TM Krishna, in one of his concert, after his songs on Lord Krishna, that he could see Lord Krishna on the Stage. Do you know what was TM Krishna’s response? TO this TM Krishna said that he had sung the same song hundreds of time but he never saw Lord Krishna. Now you tell us whether that Rasika had devotion or TM Krishna? Young people, these days, are not comprehending things in its perspective & context. There is a fashion in saying that all religions are same without knowing or reading about other religions & their holy scripts. All Abrahamic faiths are Supremacist in their understanding & preachings. How can god reject others who are not part of that religion.
There are different beliefs. None of then can be rationally explained. As long as it is personal within the four walls, no issues, but the moment it becomes a part of a society or a group, it's dimensions change. Best course is just "take it or leave it". Each to his own. Debates have no relence and invariably ends in a bitter and unpleasant manner.
கர்னாடக ஸங்கீதம் கத்துண்டே ஆகணும்னு யாருக்கும் எந்த கட்டாயமும் இல்லை. விருப்பம் இருக்கறவங்க கத்துகட்டும். பாடட்டும். விருப்பம் இல்லாதவங்க கிட்ட - நீ ஏன் கத்துக்கல்ல ? ன்னு கேக்குறதுக்கு யாருக்கும் உரிமை இல்ல.
Am a mallu and I should admit that, every kids in Kerala atleast 2-3 years learn one extra curricular activity from 4-6 years to 10-12 years. Out of them 75% kids learn carnatic music and bharatnatyam ( dance is mostly preferred by girls ). Few of them go for other arts form. And there is grace marks for winners in Kerala youth festival conducted by k.government. Those who have interest will continue learning it nd make career as well. But all this classes are paid classes which students do privately which cost 1000-2000 per month ( 4 classes a month ) just like private tuitions. Those who can't afford don't prefer to go for it.
TMK is close to .MK ?? Or .MK or ..MK His motive we do not question but his methods to achieve his goal and his actions do not give confidence about his intentions.
The real issue for the anti TMK group is because he sang praising Periyar, who was an atheist. Not only was he an atheist, but hurt the sentiments of believers by his acts and speeches. And Carnatic music heavily leans on Lord Ram and Hindu gods. How can a musician who praises an atheist like Periyar be conferred with the award which heavily relies on religion.
The ultimate goal of Classical Carnation music is to help one realize one's constitutional position as an eternal spirit soul - subservient to the Supreme Brahman. It is not meant primarily for refined enjoyment of the material senses / mind / intelligence (as is the case with many other forms of music). This music not only entertains but also enlightens. So, you cannot separate its goal from its practice. This is the fundamental dichotomy that TMK is foolishly proposing. That one can be valued for plying his art though one has no bhakti. Though TMK is a good artist, his understanding of its purpose is completely political though its goal is purely spiritual. Hence, he should be dis-qualified.
The man who garlanded lord rama picture with chappals and did procession, this idiot praising him as a social justice leader and singing Saint Thyagarajas keerthanas, what a nonsense act
The academy in the hands of atheist anti Hindu communist The Hindu group murali. How can u expect true judgement from them? May be when everyone boycott academy they may wind it up and sell that property to a dravida model member for lefty amount. The Hindu paper sameway lost its credibility long ago
The academy in the hands of atheist anti Hindu communist The Hindu group murali. How can u expect true judgement from them? May be when everyone boycott academy they may wind it up and sell that property to a dravida model member for lefty amount. The Hindu paper sameway lost its credibility long ago
மதுரை சோமு ஜேசுதாஸ் ராஜரத்தின பிள்ளை காரைக்குரிச்சி நாமகிரிபேட்டை நெய்யாற்று சீர்காழி இளையராசா கங்கைஅமரன் சிதம்பரம் ஜெயராமன் போன்றோர் கர்நாடக இசை வல்லுனர்கள்
E= mc2 is E=mc2. That can’t be simplified. Those who can’t understand need not feel bad about it. Those who understand can carry on. So is the case with carnatic music. Those who can master it , learn it. Those who can’t, need not feel low or dejected.
Okay maami. I hope you got some big brains to understand complex artform. First of all, you can explain any complex science to any layman infact that is the best capability of a great teacher. By saying that carnatic music is complex which we can't be simplified simply shows your incompetency.
@@abineshg4160 I have not said that carnatic music is ‘The Supreme Art Form’. My point is that it is Not Simple. It demands years and years of a learner’s time to master it. Unless the learner has extreme passion for it, he/she cannot master it. NO artform is superior or inferior to other . Art is not science to be explained by formulae. It purely depends on individual’s passion and to some extent his/her innate talent. Do you mean to say All brahmins have mastered carnatic music? NO ! Those who have shown interest , have suitable voice and ready to invest time only have learned it. Anyway thanks for your reply.
TMKrishna is a leftist. No problem being left. But carnatic music is divine. Thyagaraja Swamy Sri Dikshitar or Shyama Satry composed these krithis in extreme bhakti ; dedication and poverty. They have realised and felt Rama, Ambal . You cannot bring such marxist ideas into this carnatic music and dilute it which is outrageous. Marxist ideas will enter academy also.
Who said it's a Brahmin property and that is how it starts and of course they want to start it this way. Arts belong to everyone just like education and carnatic music has divinity embedded and not many people will be interested to learn especially people supporting dravidian ideology and there r other options for leftist in the music world and why pick that's not their cup of tea and claiming it's theirs?? And there by butchering the sanctity of the art.
Classical music whether it be Indian, or western, is very complicated and requires years of study to learn. Even western music is a very small world that is enjoyed only by the elite. However, Indian classical music has always been open to the public and free in many concert venues. This is because of the temple background it comes from particularly in South India. To really be a professional south Indian classical musician, you have to start in early childhood, because the learning is that intense, how many children want to do that today?
#MewSickAcademy can give awards like Sangeetha Dayanidhi, Sangeetha Udayanidhi, Sangeetha Inpananidhi etc. apart from Sangeetha Kalanidhi to the singers who disrespect Sanatana and Bhakti.😅
also we can give Sangeetha Sanghi , Sangeetha Peesappi to those who oppose TM Krishna ...to my knowledge the Music Academy nor TMK never ever have Supported the DMK party and it's leaders ...
மியூசிக் அகடமி, சனாதனத்தையும், பக்தியையும் கேவலப்படுத்தும் பாடகர்களுக்கு, இனி சங்கீத கலாநிதியை தவிர, சங்கீத தயாநிதி, சங்கீத உதயநிதி, சங்கீத இன்பநிதி போன்ற விருதுகளையும் அளிக்கலாமே.😅 #MewSickAcademy
This is the best of all responses I've seen to the controversy around TMK. Through their example snippets, both artistes have shown that Bhakti is easier on the tongue but a lot harder in the mind. 🙏🏼
Can you give concrete examples, where other caste people were prevented from learning. There are many free concerts during December season. Who prevents you from attending? Why you are not coming?
Will TM Krishna declare that he won't sing keertanas dedicated to Hindu Gods? Will he also declare that he won't sing in any other language except Tamil?
Yes.They are not despised w.r.t.their communities by Rasikaas or Politicians.Telugu is not in anyway connected with Kerala and South Kannada Dt.in Karnataka.But they sing Telugu Krithis with reverence.Sankaraparanam Telugu Movie was a super hit in Mangaluru.Mysore Vasudevacharya,a Kannadiga was reported to have had the view that Telugu is the best language for Krithis in concerts.I am not a Telugu Man,for information pl.
That's not the case in TN. Brahmin community is entirely occupied and not letting others eventhough IsaiVellalar community in the past had vastly contributed to the music
Thank you Ramprasad the decision to award should be based on the one who follows sampradayam and also talents .Sudha raghunathan and palghat Ramprasad have brought it out well
Wish that Musicians point out stalwarts like Sheikh Chinna Maulana, Prof John Higgins, K J Yesudas are not Brahmins. However, their passion and diligence in investing several years in learning the science and art of Carnatic Music enabled them gaining professional stature and respect. So, is there evidence, in public domain, of non-Brahmins having been denied such learning opportunities?
One can surely experience the Divine within with the practice of regular meditation. It's a blissful experience and cannot be explained but can be experienced.
How glorious a composition is musically lyrically and rhythmically and how accomplished a performer is are obviously important. The X factor is of course whether both the song and the singer evoke or do not evoke the ineffable transcendental intangibles of spirituality, soulful compassion, our being's refinement and the completeness that the bliss of music's perfection is.
ஞானத்துக்கும், ஞான சூனியத்துக்குமான வித்தியாசம் தான் அபிப்பிராயமாக வெளிப் படுகிறது. ஞானமுள்ளவன் பேச்சும், ஞானமில்லாதவன் பேச்சும் காட்டிக் கொடுத்து விடும் அவனுடைய தரத்தை. இது தான் எல்லோரும் அர்ச்சகராகலாம் என்கிற பிரச்சினை போன்றது. தகுதி இருப்பவரிடம் அதிகாரம் இருப்பதற்கும், தகுதி இல்லாதவரிடம் அதிகாரம் இருப்பதற்கும் உண்டான வித்தியாசம் தான் இந்தப் பிரச்சினை. நல்ல எழுத்து நேராக இருக்கும் போது கோணல் எழுத்து குறுக்கே வந்தது போல் என முன்னோர்கள் சொல்லி வைத்தது அதனால் தான் என்பது புரிய வேண்டும். சுதந்திரம் படாத பாடு படுகிறது. இன்னும் படும்.
சந்துருவுக்கும் சுதாவின் கருத்துகள் ஏற்புடையதாக இருக்க வேண்டும். இல்லை என்றால் எதிர் கேள்வி கேட்டிருப்பார். யாரோ சில பேர் அவர்களுக்குள்ளே எதையோ பாடிக்கொண்டு அதை புனிதம் என்று சொல்லிட்டு போகட்டும். நாம் நல்ல மக்கள் இசையை ரசித்து வாழ்வோம்.
Certain things can never be simplified; say, particle physics. It is dangerous to try and simplify everything so that it reaches all. It doesn’t make any sense. When people who cross their area of expertise, rubbish happens. MA is notorious for this kind of nonsense. So, don’t go anywhere near MA. There is a long list of people who were not given SK and it not the end of the world. SK or not people like KJY are stalwarts and no argument. TMK is not a deserving candidate but it is my opinion
Why can’t a pamphlet be given to the audience before the start of kutcheris.. the pamphlet can have details of songs to be performed that day by the artist with ragam and thalam and a brief meaning of the song in a jist and the name of the vagyeyakarar. This will help the audience to further appreciate the karnatic music better. My humble suggestion to all the preforming artists.
This is an OLD interview from many months ago and he (Wow Thamiza host) is re-publishing this TMK segment alone in the wake of TMK Sangeetha Kalanadhi controversy. Taking advantage of the new atmosphere. ????
Yes. You have found out. No useful purpose served here as the issue was not dealt at length. You know Sudha Ragunathan has much reputation in the industry and a senior artist. She is free to express her opinion on TMK issue.
Sudha mam talks about orthodox and other formalities. But , Famed Carnatic singer Sudha Raghunathan's daughter Maalavika, a doctor by profession who lives in the US, fell in love with an African American Michael Murphy, who happens to be a Christian. When it happens within her family, It's ok. It's not wise. India is a secular country and don't mix other things with this. Carnatic music 🎵 is common to all.
Carnatic music is classical music. If it is mass music, everyone will be able to follow and enjoy it. Why try to change a classical form into mass form?
அம்மா ஸுதா நீங்க என்ன சொல்ல வரீங்கன்னு புரியலமா??நீங்க ஏன் “Talent hunt” பண்ணி இந்த சாஸ்திரீய இசை அனைவருக்குமானது என்று அனைத்து பிரிவினருக்குமான ஓர் இசைப் பள்ளி ஆரம்பிக்கக் கூடாது.சிந்திக்கவும். But we condemn in unequivocal terms Mr. TM Krishna who indulges in what we can term as dirty politics :may be lured by some inexplicable motives.God save him🙏🙏
It's difficult to find audiences who know pure Telugu to appreciate Thyagaraja kritis that doesn't mean one cannot present Thyagaraja kritis in concerts...the music should be appreciated
Sincere thanks to all the great musicians who are gradually coming together to voice their opinion on the decision of MMA. Hopefully that wisdom prevails on the individual not to accept the award.
தமிழர் தலைவர் (பெரியார் ஈ.வெ.ரா. வரலாறு) 1948ல் நடந்த தூத்துக்குடி மாகாண மாநாட்டில் தலைமையுரை, ‘குடி அரசு’, 29.05.1948 என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரையில், என்னைப் பின்பற்றி நடந்து வருபவர்கள் புத்திசாலிகளாய் இருக்கவேண்டு மென்ற கவலை எனக்கு ஒரு சிறிதும் கிடையாது. தங்கள் அறிவை, ஆற்றலை மறந்து, என் லட்சியத்தை நிறைவேற்றிக் கொடுக்கக்கூடிய ஆட்கள்தான் **எனக்குத் தேவையே ஒழிய, அவர்கள் புத்திசாலிகளா? முட்டாள்களா? பைத்தியக்காரர்களா? கெட்டிக்காரர்களா? என்பது பற்றி எனக்குக் கவலை இல்லை.** ஆகவேதான், நான் நீடாமங்கலம் மாநாட்டின் போதே மிகத் தெளிவாகக் கூறியிருக்கிறேன். **என்னைப் பின் பற்றுகிறவர்கள் தங்கள் சொந்த பகுத்தறிவைக் கூட கொஞ்சம் தியாகம் செய்யவேண்டுமென்று** . யாராவது நடத்தக்கூடியவனாக இருக்கமுடியுமே தவிர, எல்லோருமே தலைவர்களாக இருக்க முடியாது. மற்றவர்கள் தலைவர் இட்ட கட்டளைப்படி நடக்கவேண்டியவர்கள்தான். தோழர்களே! நான் இப்போது கூறுகிறேன். நீடாமங்கலத்தைவிட ஒருபடி மேல் செல்லுகிறேன். **நீங்கள் இந்த இயக்கத்தில் உள்ளவரை உங்கள் சொந்த பகுத்தறிவை மட்டுமல்ல, உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சி என்பதைக்கூட நீங்கள் கொஞ்சம் மூட்டைக் கட்டி வைத்துவிட வேண்டியதுதான்.**. கழகத்தில் சேருமுன்பு நீங்கள் உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவு கொண்டு, கழகக் கோட்பாடுகளை எவ்வளவு வேண்டுமானாலும் ஆராய்ந்து பார்க்கலாம்; என்னுடன் வாதாடலாம். உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சி என்ன கூறுகிறது என்றும், என்னுடைய தன்மை எப்படிப் பட்டது என்றும் நீங்கள் எவ்வளவு காலத்திற்கு வேண்டுமானாலும் ஆர, அமர இருந்து யோசித்துப் பார்க்கலாம்! ஆனால், எப்போது உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சியும் பகுத்தறிவும் இடங் கொடுத்து நீங்கள் ***கழகத்தில் அங்கத்தினர்களாகச் சேர்ந்து விட்டீர்களோ; அப்போதிலிருந்து உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவையும், மனச்சாட்சியையும் ஒருபுறத்தில் ஒதுக்கிவைத்துவிட்டு,***. கழகக் கோட்பாடுகளை கண்மூடிப் பின்பற்றி தடக்க வேண்டியது தான் முறை, ஆகவே, மனச்சாட்சியோ, சொந்தப் பகுத்தறிவோ கழகக் கொள்கையை ஒப்புக்கொள்ள மறுக்குமானால், உடனே விலகிக் கொள்வது தான் முறையே ஒழிய, உள்ளிருந்து கொண்டே குதர்க்கம் பேசித்திரிவது என்பது 'விஷமத்தனமே’ ஆகும் என்பதைத் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்ள ஆசைப்படுகிறேன். சிலருக்கு நான் ஏதோ சர்வாதிகாரம் நடத்த முற்படு கிறேன் என்று தோன்றலாம். இது ஓரளவுக்குச் சர்வாதி காரம்தான் என்பதையும் ஒப்புக்கொள்கிறேன். - 1948ல் நடந்த தூத்துக்குடி மாகாண மாநாட்டில் தலைமையுரை, ‘குடி அரசு’, 29.05.1948
ஈழத்தில் இணுவில் வீரமணி ஐயர் அவர்கள் 72 மேளகர்த்தாவிலும் கீர்த்தனைகள் பாடியுள்ளார். போர்ச்சூழல் காரணமாக இங்கு அதை மேலெடுத்து செல்ல முடியாத நிலை இருந்தது. ஆனால் இப்போது மெதுவாக கர்நாடக இசை அறிவும் அவரது கீர்த்தனைகளும் வெளிவருகின்றன. 🙏🏾
என்னுடைய தனிப்பட்ட கருத்து. கர்நாடக சங்கீதம் பாட ஆசை படுபவரகள் குறிப்பாக மாமிசம் உண்பவர்களாக இல்லாமல் இருந்தால் நல்லது. சிவபெருமானால் இப்பூலோகத்திற்கு அளிக்கப்பட்டது இசை. இது பல வடிவங்களில் இருக்கிறது. கர்நாடக சங்கீதம், ஹிந்துஸ்தானி போன்ற இசை வடிவத்திற்கு சங்கதிகள் பல வடிவங்களில் பாட ஞானமத்தை வளர்த்து கொள்ளவும் மற்றும் நாக்கின் வளைவு நெளிவிற்க்கும் மாமிச உணவை தவிர்ப்பது நல்லது
Classical Carnatic music can be compared to Test Cricket . Devotional and Light Music can be compared to ONE DAY cricket . Cine music can be compared to T20 cricket . This is the transformation .
TM Krishna's concern is that a lot of non-brahmin kids are learning Carnatic music at the Music Colleges in Madras and yet no one is recognized and given a chance to play in the music Sabahs. And he thinks the music industry is strongly influenced by brahmins as not to allow others in. And Suguna Raghunathan agrees (?) when she observed in defense that no one is allowed inside the sanctums of the Hindu temples except those (Brahmins) trained in the Agamas. Does she imply that Carnatic music with the "complex grammar" and Samskrit/Telugu languages is only suitable to Brahmin kids? And the other day, Santana Gopalakrishnan recalls non-brahmin greats like Madurai Somu, Veena Dhanammal, Sirgazhi Govindharajan, etc as examples of non-brahmin artists recognized by the music circle. And so what? That's the common response you hear from every corner. What does that past honor does to the current situation pointed out by TM Krishna? And what does the Ranjani - Gayathri sisters or Swami Dushyant say don't hold any water and hence is not worth going into. For example, few years ago there was a huge demonstration in the US following the death of a black man at the hands of a white policeman. People black and white demonstrated violently against this in the leading cities citing Black Lives Matter and the government positively responded appointing nearly 40% to 70% Blacks in various organizations as opposed to their far less qualified presence in the country. Therefore, my advice is to look inwards within you and do the right thing. So far, I have seen only one mridangam artist with a Tamil name, Kalai Selvan on stage. One solution for TM Krishna is to talk to the Music Faculty at the City Colleges and have them call the Secretaries of the music sabahs and recommend their best to be given a chance.
In kerala, many people studying and practicing carnatic music(usually telugu). Nothing complex. In TN it's only practicing and propagating and dominated by one community.
In Tamilnadu, many nonbrahmin people are obviously biased against brahmins, thanks to decades of antiBrahmin propaganda by periyar, and his followers inuding the Dravidian parties. Have you ever wondered why the degree of animosity against Brahmins is much less in the neighboring states of kerala, karnataka and Andhra ?
தமிழ் மொழியில் 40% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலப்படம் செய்தால் அது கன்னட மொழி...60% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலந்தால் அது தெலுங்கு மொழி...50% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலந்தால் அது மலையாளம் மற்றும் சிங்களம்..இதுதான் 1100 ஆண்டுகால திராவிட மொழி வரலாறு. ஆனால் தமிழ் மொழியோ 65000 ஆண்டு கால வரலாறு கொண்டது.வீணை கொடியுடையோன் இராவணன் தமிழிசையால் சிவனை கட்டிப்போட்டான்.ராம வழிபாடு கி.பி 13 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுக்கு பிறகே தெலுங்கு விஜயநகர பேரரசின் ஆட்சி காலத்திற்கு பிறகே தமிழகத்திற்கு வந்தது.
This is how lies are spread by Dravidians. 6500! Where is you get this number? Karunanidhi - A Sanskrit Name; Kalanidhi - A Sanskrit word. You guys hypocrisy is at rock high. When you guys want, you claim Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam as fellow brethren, fellow southies, fellow Dravidians. When go a little deep, you accuse and abuse fellow southies. Blaming Vijayanagara kings is your extremist thoughts pampered by your ill wit politicians for their hatred towards fellow brethren. You guys started with victimhood, discrimination, then false pride, hatred, Tamil supremacy, and it’s now leading to extremism. The reality is , all the Tamil clans from Chola, Pandya, Pallava, to the poligars were all part of Bharata Varsha and encouraged Hindu culture. They never felt their gene line was a separate one.
ஆம்.மாலிக்காபூர் வராவிட்டால்,சேர,சோழ,பாண்டிய நாடுகளாக அடித்துக்கொண்டு வாழ்ந்திருப்போம்.விஜயநகரபேரரசு வராவிட்டால்,லுங்கி தமிழர்களின் தேசிய உடை,உருது,பார்சி தேசிய மொழிகள் ஆகியிருக்கும் ஆகியிருக்கும்.
Is the aeard for a musician or for a believer? If it's for music then TMK is worthy of it. He is a genius. If you canot understand the nuances of music as deep as TMK, then it's not his fault. Many sing like a sparrot. But TMK has deeper perspective and sings accordingly. Recently he sang Sree Narayana guru's poems which is very philosophical in classical style. It was really fantastic. My ony objection to him is his allowing modification of existing krithis to suit other religions beliefs like replacing Devi with Mary and the like......That should not be done. Write new poems catering to other belief. Just because he has done this will not make his music in any way less wonderful. Nothing will change the fact that he is a genius and a wonderful mudician. Academy should have considered him long back.
Yes absolutely and this is current state of many states where Hindus are lesser. Leave alone Brahmins. Allegation that it’s Brahmin dominated is not acceptable.
இசையை ரசிக்க மொழி ஒரு தடை இல்லை. எத்தனையோ ஹிந்தி பாடல்கள் தெற்கிலும், தென்மொழி பாடல்கள் வடக்கிலும் பிரபலம். மேலும்,தெலுங்கு கீர்த்தனை பாடும் அரைவாசி கர்நாடக பாடகர்களுக்கே அதன் பொருள் சரியாக தெரியாது, அவர்களின் மொழி உச்சரிப்பே சாட்சி. அது போக, கர்னாடக இசையை ரசிக்கும் "ஒரு சாரார்" ரசிகர்களுக்கே ஒரு தெலுங்கு கீர்தனையின் முக்கால் வாசி பொருள் அறவே தெரியாது. தமிழ் நாட்டில் கர்நாடக இசை, பரதம் மற்றும் கிரிக்கெட் "ஒரு சாராருக்கு" ரிசர்வ் செய்யப்பட்ட துறைகள்.
@@ramsundaram4615 correctly said it takes intelligence two neighbourly languages! Not everyone is endowed with language skills. For ignorant people Telugu is a language admixture of Tamizh Kannada Samskritam Hindi Urdu ! Many cannot decipher the the ancient Tamizh of temple walls. ! Sadly most need interpretation / translation of even Thirukural! Goswami Tulasidas had translated Ramayanam into simple Hindi to reach the common man! Now people need translation of his Hindi Ramayanam! Language evolves. Tamizh is no exception! The present day Tamizh is an admixture of original Tamil( Samskritam Urdu ( spoken) you should love all languages to realise it ! World has become a global village due to social media! It’s each ones choice !
@@ramsundaram4615 Ancient Tamizh and Telugu can be understood only by few polyglots. ! You and your circle are not polyglots I assume! What about our poet Bharathi has all love for all Indian languages!
It is due to complexity of carnatic music. It is due to one taking interest. Not all brahmins take interest in carnatic music. If we take for example Shri. Jesudas or Shri. Somasundaram they are great carnatic muscitians and eespect the music. Shri. Jesudas learnt from GNB and not TMK. Now a days many from other than brahmins take interest in carnatic music and sing very well. Tamizh makkal living abroad send their children for learning carnatic music, bharta natiyam etc. They give concerts in their cities. So now a days indian families take interest in familiarizing in carnatic music. In one of the gulf countries, the best musician is a not a brahmin girl. They all learn because of their parents and with their own interest They do not learn because of TMK In the case of TMK he looks highly egoist and arrogancy and try to redicule brahmins purposely as he knows he will git TN political support. Let him enjoy with his activism and not to be allowed to mix with the divinity of carnatic music.
Like Hindi here in TN the two Dravidian Parties will not allow state school to teach carnatics musics to the aspiring student in the Govt schools. Because it is more in the name or praising Hindu gods which they are against it. Then how come Carnatic music reach the lower strata of the society like Hindi. In all the other states in the South.Of Vindhyas it's not so! This shld not be like that only then everyone can learn it. Without that there is no other of Carnatic music common man..by threatening and capturing the music. academy if the dmk feels that it can make it easily accessible to all the form of folk songs including Carnatic music is only mid summer knight dream! 🤗😁😊
It is just like finding fault with Sachin Tendulkar for scoring so many runs and centuries. Batting skill has naturally come to him. As some one said, learning Carnatic music takes more years which requires sacrifice and dedication. Why selectively one section of a community is accused for everything that is happening under the Sun. and I want people to understand a Child does not pray to God to be born to a particular Mother. ( I can hear people asking me how can a child select his o her Mother before being born) Is it fair to deprive the concessions which are given to other Children and but not to another kid on the basis of Caste. The caste enmity has been there for over 70 years and you cannot remove it easily as there are concessions firmly fixed over it .
T m Kriahna a crude man but why we r always adamant in singing in Telugu only. Give respect to native language also. Two wrongs do not make one correct but give respect to Tamil n ignore Hindu newspaper n his Krishna T M.
TM Krishna will be singing a RTP "General Dyer Mahaan, Sikh log They bewakoof" and presenting it at Jallian Walla Bhagh and at the Amritsar Golden temple. Go TMK!!
I am glad to tell you all that sri TMK has agreed to sing the following ragam thanam pallavi that I have composed during the cermony at the Music academy; Further he has agreed to recommend me for getting sangeedha kalanidhi next year and a full page article on me in The hIndu sunday magazine.. Here is the ragam thanam pallavi composed by me . Hope all of you will attend and enjoy this song ராவணனை துதிப்போம் வாரீர் லங்கேஸ்வரனை துதிப்போம் வாரீர்
அடுத்த வருடம் சங்கீத கலாநிதி பட்டம் வாங்க உங்களுக்கும் TM Krishna வடிவில் ஒரு ராவணன் கிடைத்துவிட்டார் போலும்... தெய்வத்திடம் ஒரு நாள் பதில் சொல்லித்தான் ஆக வேண்டும். அன்று எந்த ராவணன் உங்கள் உதவிக்கு வருவார்?
Elementary maths and pure maths are not the sane and all cannot appreciate.only those who have interest can appreciate.same with carnatic music and only those who have time to practise ,improvise can learn,profess,shine in this field.has TMK has acheived in his life all the goals and agenda he is proposing for others .
Whether T.M.Krishna is saying and doing things out of his own intentions or instigated to do.so is a different question, also.he can follow and praise any social reformer ,so be it ,now the $1 M question is what for Music Academy has awarded Sangitha Kalanidhi ? Is it for his rationalist and reforming thoughts? Why the Music Academy has not come out with what for they have awarded him the Sangeeta Kalanidhi?
All youngsters of Tamil Nadu watchng Hollywood & Bollywood movies All r singing ARR s Hindi film songs How ? Apdiye Mozhi Purinju Ragam purinjaa paadaraanga In hindustani music no words at all Like carnatic .music anga niraya Keerthanaigal kidayaadhu But their rasikas dint Questioned it Or diluted it Till there r huge rasikkaas for it Michael jackson fans yevlavo per irukkaanga Inga Avar yenna India kku vandhu class eduthaaraa Ipdi kelunga Ipdi raseenga nu No Music has no language Religion caste etc. It depends upon individual s interest & taste avlodhaan. Yaarukku edhu Pudikkudho Ketkattum Kathukkattum Y to force people to hear carnatic music No need
None forced anyone to learn carnatic music. I don't know the meaning of many Hindi songs, carnatic songs or even Tamil songs. But they are soothing my mind, I hear intently. But TM Krishna or N.Murali are long back converted from Hinduism for material pleasures, just like page 21 Dravidians. If we don't like it, then we should move out.
The reason behind this carnatic is majority with Brahmins, is because, they are sincerely worshipping the art form, they encourage their family members to learn and give girls to marry a boy who plays mridangam or sing songs. But other caste people, give girls only to an Engineer or any professionals. In that way, Brahmins should be appreciated and praised for. But there is no restriction for anyone to learn and practice. If any non Brahmins who learn and prove their talent in perfection of the art, it would be appreciated by people. Definitely there is a lobby of Brahminism is there, but it is natural because they are practicing Carnatic music for generations.. certainly there is a domination. But as far as i know, noone got demolished life because of their red tapism in this field.
இசை ஒரு சமூகத்தினருக்கு மட்டும் சொந்தம் இல்லை. இசை அனைவருக்கும் பொது. ஆர்வம் உள்ளவர்கள் கற்று கொள்ளலாம். By learning it is not diluted! And that is the STUPIDEST argument!
Most of the brahmins in the comment sections says that Carnatic music is complex as if they had some extra brain in their asses. This is pure arrogance which simply shows their incompetency to simplify an artform for general public consumption. Such a casteist behavior
Carnatic கத்துகிறத்துக்கு Basic Interest வேணும்..நிறைய Practice பண்ணணும்.. So யார் வேணும்னாலும் கத்துக்கலாம்...But it so happens அந்த Interest Dedication எல்லாம் அதிகமாக Brahmins கிட்டேதான் இருக்கு..It is an irrefutable fact...In most brahmins family learning music is a must..
Music is for everyone, it's beyond cast , creed and religion. Some trying hard to make it their own. That's where the issue is. Unlike what this lady said, Any one can learn anything provided they're given with necessary training and time. All these so called singers are from well to do family, and with enough background.
Wow how can a carnatic musician perform in western countries and accept a foreign student if lyrics is the essence of carnatic music. Music is derived from Vedas. And it is a science like dance, sculpture , ayurveda etc. Music doesn’t need lyrics. Ragas can be performed and heard with bhakti bhava. There is no compulsion to use any particular name of God because every science is connected to God. Most people in my state even though they listen to carnatic music don’t understand the lyrics. Sometimes even the singer doesn’t because it’s not written in his mother tongue. Also Vedas are for everyone. A shilpi is not a brahmin. A kshatriya is not a brahmin. Yet all the shastras followed by kshatriyas and shilpis are derived from vedas. These castes were just the names given based on their profession. People who have narrow mindset are not yet ready to accept it. The real Sanatana dharma is not based on discrimination. For understanding that one should open their mind, understand one’s true purpose of life. If you’re born with the ability to sing even if you’re a non brahmin you can train Carnatic music. God himself qualified you. You don’t have to be a Brahmin. Yes discrimination exists.
🎉 super... கொஞ்சமாவது படிங்க... இன்னும் இந்த விசயத்தில் இருந்து Pre KG ய தாண்ட மாட்டீங்களா??? பாரம்பரிய, கலாச்சார நம்பிக்கை தான் இங்கே... ரொம்ப அதிகமாக திணிக்கப்பட்டது. (Conditioning mind) பல நூற்றாண்டுகளாக இங்கே உலகம் முழுவதும்: அப்பாவி மக்களை கூமூட்டை, தற்குறிகளாக (நயவஞ்சகமாக) ஆக்கி விட்டனர்... (ஆரண்யகம், சம்ஹித்தை மற்றும் பிரமாணம்... மிக ஆழமாக படித்து புரிந்து கொள்ளுங்கள்) எல்லா உயிர்களையும் முதலில் நேசிக்கக் கற்றுக்கொண்டு... உங்கள் குழந்தைகளுக்கும் கற்றுக்கொடுங்கள். பெருமை பீத்திக் கொள்ள ஒரு மண்ணும் கிடையாது.(நியாயா, வைசேசிகா குறிப்பாக மிமாசகர்களை படித்து புரிந்து கொண்டால் தான் இவர்கள் எல்லாரும் தெளிவடைய வாய்ப்பு உண்டு🎉 தயவு செய்து படிங்க... சார்வக்கா Philosophy... அளவுக்கு, இங்கு எந்த logic கும்... கிடையாது. பாவம் மக்களின் மூட தனத்தை உங்கள் மூலதனம்... என்று பிழைப்பு நடத்தாதீர்கள்... அது பரிபூர்ண அன்புக்கு எதிரானது. உலக உயிர்களில் எல்லா மனித உயிர்களும், பிரம்மம்/(ஆத்மா) உயிர்ப்பு என்ற ஒன்றை உணர்ந்து, அதை அடைய முயன்று, பிரம்மம் ஆகவே ஆவதுதான்... மனித உயிரின் இலக்கு. அந்த மனிதன் தான் உண்மையான பிராமின் (அகம் பிரம்மாஸ்மி). பிராமணர்கள் ஒரு தனிப்பட்ட மனித ஜாதி என்று பெருமை பீத்த ஒரு மண்ணும் கிடையாது. (கொஞ்சமாவது படிங்கடா). போங்கடா... போங்கடா... உங்க குழந்தைகளை உண்மையா படிக்க வைங்கடா. (கடவுள் தன்மைக்கு எதிரான Ego வை... அவர்களுக்கு ஊட்டி வளர்க்காதீர்கள்). எல்லா உயிர்களையும் மதிக்கும்... தகுதி அவர்களுக்கு மலருட்டும்🎉 ஒரு நாய்க்கு இருக்கும் பரிபூர்ண அன்பு கூட (2024 வரை) இல்லையடா... ச்சே. மனுஷ ஜென்மம்மாடா நீங்க.😮 டேய்... எந்த உயிரையும் பாரபட்சம் பார்க்காமல், பரிபூர்ண அன்போடு முறையாக சொல்லி கொடுத்தால், கற்றுக்கொண்டால்... எவருக்கும் சாத்தியம். AI ல கூட ரோபோக்களை: சாதனைகள் செய்ய வைக்க முடியும். ஆனாலும்... ஒரு நயவஞ்சக தற்குறிகளால் தான் சக மனிதர்களை ஒரு மயிராகக் கூட மதிக்காமல், உளவியல் ரீதியாக (கடவுள் பெயரால்) ஏமாற்றி... தாழ்த்தி... அடிமைகளாக்கி... வம்சாவளி யாக... ஒதுக்கி வைத்து, பல்லாயிரம் நூற்றாண்டுகளில் அவர்களாகவே தாழ்வு மனப்பான்மையில் கூனிக் குறுகி... கருகி, காய்ந்து போய் மிருகத்தை விடவும் மோசமாக கிடக்கிறார்கள். (இந்த சிஸ்டம் இன்றைக்கு 2024 வரை... உரம் போட்டு வளர்த்துக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள்😮 ச்சே... மனித உயிற்களாடா... நீங்கள்... நம்பிக்கை துரோகிகளா... உங்களை போய் இந்த அப்பாவி மனிதர்கள்... சாமி சாமி... என்று கூப்பிடுகிறார்கள்... அவர்களின் காலில் ஒட்டிய பீக்கு கூட உங்களை ஒப்பிட முடியாது.😮)
Spreading negativity should be curbed whoever it is. Thyagarakaswamy sung in telugu sung by all south indians like tamilians, malayalis, kannadigas, telugus brahmins non brahmins christians whoever is talented and interested and has involvement why unnecessarily make it contraversial. A musician needs bhakthi and dedication whoever is interested will follow we can't force anybody into it.
It takes lot of efforts and sustained dedication even to come up to a certain level in carnatic music, leae alone giants. All legends have reached that height after such arduous training. Even to be a rasika, it requires some knowledge. But except for those very passionate about it, others go after some easy ways of getting fame and money. Many many Nadaswara vidwans are not from brahmin community, but it is their hard efforts. Even small Temple and marriage, receptions like that, they are playing good. others (not brahmins) are willing or even inclined to put efforts for such fine arts like music or dance etc.? There are other art forms they are attracted to as per their aptitude. Even in Supersinger dshows, many many are capable or have potential to choose carnatic music. But very few opt for that for so many reasons. Just take JEE or NEET exams. Its like that.
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As a devotee of Nadabrahman I as an individual have been boycotting TM Krishnas music for many years Music without devotion is of NO use Will avoid Music academy programs this year
I too started moving away from TM Krishna as I did with The Hindu newspaper. T M Krishna is part of the Anti-India & Break-India Group. I never expected a person who made a career out of a particular system of Music and became famous because of the very same system would make another big career out of criticising the same system. A Shameless Person. There are many. I would like to boycott those who are accompanying him in his so called concert even today like R. K. Sreeram Kumar for who I had great respect.
Yes Surabi Sir
I totally agree with you
@@VenugopalanV-v5x well we, large section of friends, relatives stopped reading the Hindu news paper for past 20 odd years..good job..
How can you say that TMK sings without devotion.
Go on RUclips and listen to Rangapura vihara,soo much of devotion filled renderence it is.
Every time I listen tears of bliss,goosebumps of realizing Ranga I feel.
If you don't feel then you're not
having devotion.
To take God's name with devotion or without devotion is accepted by God and he gives liberation as stated in Srimad Bhagavatham.
Do you have devotion unto God????
If yes,then you would never criticize anyone, because you will find that every soul is from Lord Krishna.
I consider you too as part this universe, let's not spread hatredness my soul.
Be happy.
We all have to bid good bye to this material world one day.🙏
@@sharmilasharmilee1508 I fully agree with you, but you are missing the context. Today’s TM Krishna is out to destroy whatever you are saying. One person tells TM Krishna, in one of his concert, after his songs on Lord Krishna, that he could see Lord Krishna on the Stage. Do you know what was TM Krishna’s response? TO this TM Krishna said that he had sung the same song hundreds of time but he never saw Lord Krishna. Now you tell us whether that Rasika had devotion or TM Krishna? Young people, these days, are not comprehending things in its perspective & context. There is a fashion in saying that all religions are same without knowing or reading about other religions & their holy scripts. All Abrahamic faiths are Supremacist in their understanding & preachings. How can god reject others who are not part of that religion.
Even though our mother tongue us Tamizh, how many Tamil people are able to pronunce properly. For any art form, interest n penetration is important..
Only Brahmins are targetted everywhere .
Very well said.Applicable to most of the people who support TM Krishna
Thousands of students do not appear for Tamil exam in 12 and 10 students.
There are different beliefs. None of then can be rationally explained. As long as it is personal within the four walls, no issues, but the moment it becomes a part of a society or a group, it's dimensions change.
Best course is just "take it or leave it". Each to his own.
Debates have no relence and invariably ends in a bitter and unpleasant manner.
Absolutely true.All Tamil language pronunciation is like "Vivek comedy on Tamil present pronunciation"
Look at Kerala nonbrahmins.They are good at karnatic music.They put in a lot of effort and learn it whereas tamil non brahmins are not doing it.
They are influenced by the kaantumurandi EVR.
கர்னாடக ஸங்கீதம் கத்துண்டே ஆகணும்னு யாருக்கும் எந்த கட்டாயமும் இல்லை. விருப்பம் இருக்கறவங்க கத்துகட்டும். பாடட்டும். விருப்பம் இல்லாதவங்க கிட்ட - நீ ஏன் கத்துக்கல்ல ? ன்னு கேக்குறதுக்கு யாருக்கும் உரிமை இல்ல.
Am a mallu and I should admit that, every kids in Kerala atleast 2-3 years learn one extra curricular activity from 4-6 years to 10-12 years. Out of them 75% kids learn carnatic music and bharatnatyam ( dance is mostly preferred by girls ). Few of them go for other arts form. And there is grace marks for winners in Kerala youth festival conducted by k.government. Those who have interest will continue learning it nd make career as well. But all this classes are paid classes which students do privately which cost 1000-2000 per month ( 4 classes a month ) just like private tuitions. Those who can't afford don't prefer to go for it.
Anyone preventing them ???
We@@dasdas4762
TMK is close to .MK ?? Or .MK or ..MK
His motive we do not question but his methods to achieve his goal and his actions do not give confidence about his intentions.
After such opposition from public if he without shame receives that award we may say avaru uppu pottu soru thinnaatha jenmam
The real issue for the anti TMK group is because he sang praising Periyar, who was an atheist. Not only was he an atheist, but hurt the sentiments of believers by his acts and speeches. And Carnatic music heavily leans on Lord Ram and Hindu gods. How can a musician who praises an atheist like Periyar be conferred with the award which heavily relies on religion.
The ultimate goal of Classical Carnation music is to help one realize one's constitutional position as an eternal spirit soul - subservient to the Supreme Brahman. It is not meant primarily for refined enjoyment of the material senses / mind / intelligence (as is the case with many other forms of music). This music not only entertains but also enlightens. So, you cannot separate its goal from its practice. This is the fundamental dichotomy that TMK is foolishly proposing. That one can be valued for plying his art though one has no bhakti. Though TMK is a good artist, his understanding of its purpose is completely political though its goal is purely spiritual. Hence, he should be dis-qualified.
So...let's not award Sangita kalanidhi to any performing artist ,who gives paid performance! 😁
The man who garlanded lord rama picture with chappals and did procession, this idiot praising him as a social justice leader and singing Saint Thyagarajas keerthanas, what a nonsense act
The academy in the hands of atheist anti Hindu communist The Hindu group murali. How can u expect true judgement from them? May be when everyone boycott academy they may wind it up and sell that property to a dravida model member for lefty amount. The Hindu paper sameway lost its credibility long ago
The academy in the hands of atheist anti Hindu communist The Hindu group murali. How can u expect true judgement from them? May be when everyone boycott academy they may wind it up and sell that property to a dravida model member for lefty amount. The Hindu paper sameway lost its credibility long ago
மதுரை சோமு ஜேசுதாஸ் ராஜரத்தின பிள்ளை காரைக்குரிச்சி நாமகிரிபேட்டை நெய்யாற்று சீர்காழி இளையராசா கங்கைஅமரன் சிதம்பரம் ஜெயராமன் போன்றோர் கர்நாடக இசை வல்லுனர்கள்
They were denied award re recognition from some, but overwhelming from the same group supported them even now.
@@venkatachalamcs8294TRUE sir
அம்மா சுப்புலெட்சுமி அவர்களும் இந்த வரிசையில் சேர்த்துக்கொள்ளவும் நண்பரே!
All
Anti Indians why hide their name
Very true
E= mc2 is E=mc2. That can’t be simplified. Those who can’t understand need not feel bad about it. Those who understand can carry on. So is the case with carnatic music. Those who can master it , learn it. Those who can’t, need not feel low or dejected.
Okay maami. I hope you got some big brains to understand complex artform.
First of all, you can explain any complex science to any layman infact that is the best capability of a great teacher. By saying that carnatic music is complex which we can't be simplified simply shows your incompetency.
@@abineshg4160 I have not said that carnatic music is ‘The Supreme Art Form’. My point is that it is Not Simple. It demands years and years of a learner’s time to master it. Unless the learner has extreme passion for it, he/she cannot master it. NO artform is superior or inferior to other . Art is not science to be explained by formulae. It purely depends on individual’s passion and to some extent his/her innate talent. Do you mean to say All brahmins have mastered carnatic music? NO ! Those who have shown interest , have suitable voice and ready to invest time only have learned it. Anyway thanks for your reply.
TMKrishna is a leftist. No problem being left. But carnatic music is divine. Thyagaraja Swamy Sri Dikshitar or Shyama Satry composed these krithis in extreme bhakti ; dedication and poverty. They have realised and felt Rama, Ambal . You cannot bring such marxist ideas into this carnatic music and dilute it which is outrageous. Marxist ideas will enter academy also.
Carnatic music is divine, don't make it brahmin property, these people have made it caste specific.
Who said it's a Brahmin property and that is how it starts and of course they want to start it this way. Arts belong to everyone just like education and carnatic music has divinity embedded and not many people will be interested to learn especially people supporting dravidian ideology and there r other options for leftist in the music world and why pick that's not their cup of tea and claiming it's theirs?? And there by butchering the sanctity of the art.
nobody wants it that way. It happened. Some non brahmins broke the barrier and did shine and now shine.
@@rekg8365who said Carnatic music is only for Brahmins? Is it not a myth? Who prevents others to learn it?
@@chellappamuthuganabadi9446 yes sir, that's my point too ..
இசை ஒரு சமூகத்தினருக்கு மட்டும் சொந்தம் இல்லை.
இசை அனைவருக்கும் பொது. ஆர்வம் உள்ளவர்கள் கற்று கொள்ளலாம்.
அதை யார் தடுத்தா, கத்திக்கிட்டு கத்துக்குடுத்தவனுக்கு எதிரா செயல் படறது கேவலம், tmk அந்த கெடுகெட்ட தனத்தை செய்யறான்.
Classical music whether it be Indian, or western, is very complicated and requires years of study to learn. Even western music is a very small world that is enjoyed only by the elite. However, Indian classical music has always been open to the public and free in many concert venues. This is because of the temple background it comes from particularly in South India. To really be a professional south Indian classical musician, you have to start in early childhood, because the learning is that intense, how many children want to do that today?
#MewSickAcademy can give awards like Sangeetha Dayanidhi, Sangeetha Udayanidhi, Sangeetha Inpananidhi etc. apart from Sangeetha Kalanidhi to the singers who disrespect Sanatana and Bhakti.😅
பங்கம்❤❤❤❤😂😂😂
also we can give Sangeetha Sanghi , Sangeetha Peesappi to those who oppose TM Krishna ...to my knowledge the Music Academy nor TMK never ever have Supported the DMK party and it's leaders ...
@@Rabonykannan music academy now drinking gopalapuram's family excreta water 😭😭😭😭😭
@@1006prem every body drinks excreta water ...as you people also drink Sanghi moothra Peesappi excreta water...
@@Rabonykannan NO iam saying you along with current music axademy office bearers are drinking👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
மியூசிக் அகடமி, சனாதனத்தையும், பக்தியையும் கேவலப்படுத்தும் பாடகர்களுக்கு, இனி சங்கீத கலாநிதியை தவிர, சங்கீத தயாநிதி, சங்கீத உதயநிதி, சங்கீத இன்பநிதி போன்ற விருதுகளையும் அளிக்கலாமே.😅
#MewSickAcademy
😂😂😂
Kovanukku Sankitha Kalanithi Viruthu Stalin Thalaimaiyil Kodukkattum.😅
😀😀😀
Fitting award
சனாதன மே ஒரு அயோக்கியத்தனம் தான்
Madurai Somu and seerkali Govindarajan not given Sangithakalanithi
Sirkazhi is not a full fledged carnatic musician. Only Yesudas among film singers was proficient enough. Unni Krishnan too.
Lalgudi Jayaraman was Brahmin.. He is also not given SK. Don't look at everything from caste angle.
Prof. T R சுப்பிரமணியன் (who was breathing music till his last breath) was not given Sangeetha Kalanidhi.
All the sagithakalanithi are from that community... So music academy and caste system is not music . .. it's all beyond that...
14 awardees out of around 90+ awardees have been non brahmins. Just for the record.
Thiruvarur K Bhaktavatsalam - 2021
Valaiyapatti AR Subramaniam - 2009
Sheikh Chinnamoulana - 1998
Thanjavur KP Sivanandam - 1992
T Viswanathan - 1988
T Balasaraswati - 1973
MS Subbulakshmi - 1968
Thiruvidaimarudhur Veerusami Pillai - 1961
Thiruveezhimalai Subramania Pillai - 1956
Chittoor Subramania Pillai - 1954
Thirupamburam Subramania Pillai - 1953
Kumbakonam Rajamanikkam Pillai - 1948
Dwaram Venkataswamy Naidu - 1941
K Ponniah Pillai - 1933
This is the best of all responses I've seen to the controversy around TMK. Through their example snippets, both artistes have shown that Bhakti is easier on the tongue but a lot harder in the mind. 🙏🏼
what is the reason for keeping the medical terms so complicated? Why are we not opposing this?
That might be complicated. But accessible to anyone. Anyone can become doctor.
@@freefolk1986 so as Carnatic music. Who is denying the access?
Can you give concrete examples, where other caste people were prevented from learning. There are many free concerts during December season. Who prevents you from attending? Why you are not coming?
@@sundaresanramanathan7636 I wanted to reply with the same message and could not do so to @freefolk1986 due to busy schedule I fully agree with you.
Will TM Krishna declare that he won't sing keertanas dedicated to Hindu Gods? Will he also declare that he won't sing in any other language except Tamil?
Hindu gods or Brahmin gods ?
Hindu Gods reverred by theists i.e.Rama and Krishna are not Brahmins.
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@@cq5127This is a question that deserves a response that is silence. Only that can silence transform hatred!
@@Mystic_Seekerhey insecure sloth..say that to ur friends and families
Unfortunately these people will not line up with Ranjini and Gayayri to raise voice against TM Krishna or Music academy.
சரிஇல்லை
What Ramprasad has said is truly the voice of millions of Rasikas. Thank u for setting the record straight.
Many famous vidwans in Kerala are not Brahmins.
Yes.They are not despised w.r.t.their communities by Rasikaas or Politicians.Telugu is not in anyway connected with Kerala and South Kannada Dt.in Karnataka.But they sing Telugu Krithis with reverence.Sankaraparanam Telugu Movie was a super hit in Mangaluru.Mysore Vasudevacharya,a Kannadiga was reported to have had the view that Telugu is the best language for Krithis in concerts.I am not a Telugu Man,for information pl.
That's not the case in TN. Brahmin community is entirely occupied and not letting others eventhough IsaiVellalar community in the past had vastly contributed to the music
So what.....music has no religion
Thank you Ramprasad the decision to award should be based on the one who follows sampradayam and also talents .Sudha raghunathan and palghat Ramprasad have brought it out well
Thanks for letting the interviewee express freely.
Wish that Musicians point out stalwarts like Sheikh Chinna Maulana, Prof John Higgins, K J Yesudas are not Brahmins. However, their passion and diligence in investing several years in learning the science and art of Carnatic Music enabled them gaining professional stature and respect. So, is there evidence, in public domain, of non-Brahmins having been denied such learning opportunities?
One can surely experience the Divine within with the practice of regular meditation. It's a blissful experience and cannot be explained but can be experienced.
Well said
How glorious a composition is musically lyrically and rhythmically and how accomplished a performer is are obviously important. The X factor is of course whether both the song and the singer evoke or do not evoke the ineffable transcendental intangibles of spirituality, soulful compassion, our being's refinement and the completeness that the bliss of music's perfection is.
ஞானத்துக்கும், ஞான சூனியத்துக்குமான வித்தியாசம் தான் அபிப்பிராயமாக வெளிப் படுகிறது. ஞானமுள்ளவன் பேச்சும், ஞானமில்லாதவன் பேச்சும் காட்டிக் கொடுத்து விடும் அவனுடைய தரத்தை. இது தான் எல்லோரும் அர்ச்சகராகலாம் என்கிற பிரச்சினை போன்றது. தகுதி இருப்பவரிடம் அதிகாரம் இருப்பதற்கும், தகுதி இல்லாதவரிடம் அதிகாரம் இருப்பதற்கும் உண்டான வித்தியாசம் தான் இந்தப் பிரச்சினை. நல்ல எழுத்து நேராக இருக்கும் போது கோணல் எழுத்து குறுக்கே வந்தது போல் என முன்னோர்கள் சொல்லி வைத்தது அதனால் தான் என்பது புரிய வேண்டும். சுதந்திரம் படாத பாடு படுகிறது. இன்னும் படும்.
சந்துருவுக்கும் சுதாவின் கருத்துகள் ஏற்புடையதாக இருக்க வேண்டும். இல்லை என்றால் எதிர் கேள்வி கேட்டிருப்பார். யாரோ சில பேர் அவர்களுக்குள்ளே எதையோ பாடிக்கொண்டு அதை புனிதம் என்று சொல்லிட்டு போகட்டும். நாம் நல்ல மக்கள் இசையை ரசித்து வாழ்வோம்.
There are many devoted musicians who should be honoured rather than this type of people.
Certain things can never be simplified; say, particle physics. It is dangerous to try and simplify everything so that it reaches all. It doesn’t make any sense. When people who cross their area of expertise, rubbish happens. MA is notorious for this kind of nonsense. So, don’t go anywhere near MA. There is a long list of people who were not given SK and it not the end of the world. SK or not people like KJY are stalwarts and no argument. TMK is not a deserving candidate but it is my opinion
Beautifully expressed
Thanks Sudha. You started this decadence. Thank God MLV Amma is no more.
சில"விடயங்களை கீழே இறக்க முடியுமா? சங்கப் பாடல் தூய தமிழ்பாடலும்"கடினம்தானே!
Just to politics - He should not be honoured.
Why can’t a pamphlet be given to the audience before the start of kutcheris.. the pamphlet can have details of songs to be performed that day by the artist with ragam and thalam and a brief meaning of the song in a jist and the name of the vagyeyakarar.
This will help the audience to further appreciate the karnatic music better.
My humble suggestion to all the preforming artists.
This is an OLD interview from many months ago and he (Wow Thamiza host) is re-publishing this TMK segment alone in the wake of TMK Sangeetha Kalanadhi controversy. Taking advantage of the new atmosphere. ????
Yes. You have found out. No useful purpose served here as the issue was not dealt at length. You know Sudha Ragunathan has much reputation in the industry and a senior artist. She is free to express her opinion on TMK issue.
❤ கர்நாடகா சங்கீதம், மத்தவா புரியாது ஏங்கவா மட்டும் புரியும்❤ என்று அவா சொல்கிறார்கள்❤
திருந்தாத உள்ளங்கள் இருந்தென்ன லாபம் வருந்தாத உள்ளங்கள் வாழ்ந்தென்ன லாபம்
Sudha mam talks about orthodox and other formalities.
But , Famed Carnatic singer Sudha Raghunathan's daughter Maalavika, a doctor by profession who lives in the US, fell in love with an African American Michael Murphy, who happens to be a Christian.
When it happens within her family, It's ok. It's not wise. India is a secular country and don't mix other things with this. Carnatic music 🎵 is common to all.
Fantastic
Carnatic music is classical music. If it is mass music, everyone will be able to follow and enjoy it. Why try to change a classical form into mass form?
Remember KJ Yesudas who is very great in Carnatic music
Thank you mam for standing with TM Krishna 🔥
அம்மா ஸுதா நீங்க என்ன சொல்ல வரீங்கன்னு புரியலமா??நீங்க ஏன் “Talent hunt” பண்ணி இந்த சாஸ்திரீய இசை அனைவருக்குமானது என்று அனைத்து பிரிவினருக்குமான ஓர் இசைப் பள்ளி ஆரம்பிக்கக் கூடாது.சிந்திக்கவும்.
But we condemn in unequivocal terms Mr. TM Krishna who indulges in what we can term as dirty politics :may be lured by some inexplicable motives.God save him🙏🙏
TMK has right to his opinion. Award is based on scholarly prowess not one's political- social opinion.
Nee pramanaliku mattum solli thara
@@TimePass87969thomas mundai podi kammanati serikki mundai
It's difficult to find audiences who know pure Telugu to appreciate Thyagaraja kritis that doesn't mean one cannot present Thyagaraja kritis in concerts...the music should be appreciated
Sincere thanks to all the great musicians who are gradually coming together to voice their opinion on the decision of MMA. Hopefully that wisdom prevails on the individual not to accept the award.
Thyagaraja was upset when his brother threw the vigraham of Rama. So he himself wanted his lord back. TMK ku indha history தெரியாதா
தமிழர் தலைவர் (பெரியார் ஈ.வெ.ரா. வரலாறு)
1948ல் நடந்த தூத்துக்குடி மாகாண மாநாட்டில் தலைமையுரை, ‘குடி அரசு’, 29.05.1948
என்னைப் பொறுத்தவரையில், என்னைப் பின்பற்றி நடந்து வருபவர்கள் புத்திசாலிகளாய் இருக்கவேண்டு மென்ற கவலை எனக்கு ஒரு சிறிதும் கிடையாது. தங்கள் அறிவை, ஆற்றலை மறந்து, என் லட்சியத்தை நிறைவேற்றிக் கொடுக்கக்கூடிய ஆட்கள்தான் **எனக்குத் தேவையே ஒழிய, அவர்கள் புத்திசாலிகளா? முட்டாள்களா? பைத்தியக்காரர்களா? கெட்டிக்காரர்களா? என்பது பற்றி எனக்குக் கவலை இல்லை.**
ஆகவேதான், நான் நீடாமங்கலம் மாநாட்டின் போதே மிகத் தெளிவாகக் கூறியிருக்கிறேன். **என்னைப் பின் பற்றுகிறவர்கள் தங்கள் சொந்த பகுத்தறிவைக் கூட கொஞ்சம் தியாகம் செய்யவேண்டுமென்று** . யாராவது நடத்தக்கூடியவனாக இருக்கமுடியுமே தவிர, எல்லோருமே தலைவர்களாக இருக்க முடியாது. மற்றவர்கள் தலைவர் இட்ட கட்டளைப்படி நடக்கவேண்டியவர்கள்தான். தோழர்களே! நான் இப்போது கூறுகிறேன். நீடாமங்கலத்தைவிட ஒருபடி மேல் செல்லுகிறேன்.
**நீங்கள் இந்த இயக்கத்தில் உள்ளவரை உங்கள் சொந்த பகுத்தறிவை மட்டுமல்ல, உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சி என்பதைக்கூட நீங்கள் கொஞ்சம் மூட்டைக் கட்டி வைத்துவிட வேண்டியதுதான்.**. கழகத்தில் சேருமுன்பு நீங்கள் உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவு கொண்டு, கழகக் கோட்பாடுகளை எவ்வளவு வேண்டுமானாலும் ஆராய்ந்து பார்க்கலாம்; என்னுடன் வாதாடலாம். உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சி என்ன கூறுகிறது என்றும், என்னுடைய தன்மை எப்படிப் பட்டது என்றும் நீங்கள் எவ்வளவு காலத்திற்கு வேண்டுமானாலும் ஆர, அமர இருந்து யோசித்துப் பார்க்கலாம்!
ஆனால், எப்போது உங்கள் மனச்சாட்சியும் பகுத்தறிவும் இடங் கொடுத்து நீங்கள் ***கழகத்தில் அங்கத்தினர்களாகச் சேர்ந்து விட்டீர்களோ; அப்போதிலிருந்து உங்கள் பகுத்தறிவையும், மனச்சாட்சியையும் ஒருபுறத்தில் ஒதுக்கிவைத்துவிட்டு,***. கழகக் கோட்பாடுகளை கண்மூடிப் பின்பற்றி தடக்க வேண்டியது தான் முறை,
ஆகவே, மனச்சாட்சியோ, சொந்தப் பகுத்தறிவோ கழகக் கொள்கையை ஒப்புக்கொள்ள மறுக்குமானால், உடனே விலகிக் கொள்வது தான் முறையே ஒழிய, உள்ளிருந்து கொண்டே குதர்க்கம் பேசித்திரிவது என்பது 'விஷமத்தனமே’ ஆகும் என்பதைத் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்ள ஆசைப்படுகிறேன்.
சிலருக்கு நான் ஏதோ சர்வாதிகாரம் நடத்த முற்படு கிறேன் என்று தோன்றலாம். இது ஓரளவுக்குச் சர்வாதி காரம்தான் என்பதையும் ஒப்புக்கொள்கிறேன்.
- 1948ல் நடந்த தூத்துக்குடி மாகாண மாநாட்டில் தலைமையுரை, ‘குடி அரசு’, 29.05.1948
DMK sponsored TMK shall fight for giving Chicken 65 Prasadam at our Temples,
MS Krishna the great
ஈழத்தில் இணுவில் வீரமணி ஐயர் அவர்கள் 72 மேளகர்த்தாவிலும் கீர்த்தனைகள் பாடியுள்ளார்.
போர்ச்சூழல் காரணமாக இங்கு அதை மேலெடுத்து செல்ல முடியாத நிலை இருந்தது. ஆனால் இப்போது மெதுவாக கர்நாடக இசை அறிவும் அவரது கீர்த்தனைகளும் வெளிவருகின்றன.
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Amazing explanation 😊
என்னுடைய தனிப்பட்ட கருத்து. கர்நாடக சங்கீதம் பாட ஆசை படுபவரகள் குறிப்பாக மாமிசம் உண்பவர்களாக இல்லாமல் இருந்தால் நல்லது. சிவபெருமானால் இப்பூலோகத்திற்கு அளிக்கப்பட்டது இசை. இது பல வடிவங்களில் இருக்கிறது. கர்நாடக சங்கீதம், ஹிந்துஸ்தானி போன்ற இசை வடிவத்திற்கு சங்கதிகள் பல வடிவங்களில் பாட ஞானமத்தை வளர்த்து கொள்ளவும் மற்றும் நாக்கின்
வளைவு நெளிவிற்க்கும் மாமிச உணவை தவிர்ப்பது நல்லது
Classical Carnatic music can be compared to Test Cricket . Devotional and Light Music can be compared to ONE DAY cricket . Cine music can be compared to T20 cricket . This is the transformation .
எப்படிப்பாடினரோ அடியார் அப்படிப்பாடவே ஆசை கொண்டேன் சிவனை --அப்பர், சுந்தரர் , ஆளுடைப்பிள்ளை, மாணிக்கவாசகர்,குருமணி சங்கரரும் அருமை தாயுமானாரும்
அருணகிரி நாதரும் அருட்ஜோதி வள்ளலும்
கருணைக்கடல் பெருகி காதலினால் உருகி
கனித்தமிழ் சொல்லினால் இனிதுனை அனுதினம்-- இறைவனை -- என்று அருணாசல கவிராயர் உருகியதற்கு இணங்க, பக்திப் பரவசம் பொங்க பாடாத கர்நாடக இசை நாய் குரைப்பதை ஒத்தது.
TM Krishna's concern is that a lot of non-brahmin kids are learning Carnatic music at the Music Colleges in Madras and yet no one is recognized and given a chance to play in the music Sabahs. And he thinks the music industry is strongly influenced by brahmins as not to allow others in. And Suguna Raghunathan agrees (?) when she observed in defense that no one is allowed inside the sanctums of the Hindu temples except those (Brahmins) trained in the Agamas. Does she imply that Carnatic music with the "complex grammar" and Samskrit/Telugu languages is only suitable to Brahmin kids? And the other day, Santana Gopalakrishnan recalls non-brahmin greats like Madurai Somu, Veena Dhanammal, Sirgazhi Govindharajan, etc as examples of non-brahmin artists recognized by the music circle. And so what? That's the common response you hear from every corner. What does that past honor does to the current situation pointed out by TM Krishna? And what does the Ranjani - Gayathri sisters or Swami Dushyant say don't hold any water and hence is not worth going into.
For example, few years ago there was a huge demonstration in the US following the death of a black man at the hands of a white policeman. People black and white demonstrated violently against this in the leading cities citing Black Lives Matter and the government positively responded appointing nearly 40% to 70% Blacks in various organizations as opposed to their far less qualified presence in the country.
Therefore, my advice is to look inwards within you and do the right thing. So far, I have seen only one mridangam artist with a Tamil name, Kalai Selvan on stage. One solution for TM Krishna is to talk to the Music Faculty at the City Colleges and have them call the Secretaries of the music sabahs and recommend their best to be given a chance.
In kerala, many people studying and practicing carnatic music(usually telugu). Nothing complex. In TN it's only practicing and propagating and dominated by one community.
So do you want reservation in fine arts, sports?
In Tamilnadu, many nonbrahmin people are obviously biased against brahmins, thanks to decades of antiBrahmin propaganda by periyar, and his followers inuding the Dravidian parties. Have you ever wondered why the degree of animosity against Brahmins is much less in the neighboring states of kerala, karnataka and Andhra ?
தமிழ் மொழியில் 40% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலப்படம் செய்தால் அது கன்னட மொழி...60% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலந்தால் அது தெலுங்கு மொழி...50% சமஸ்கிருதம் கலந்தால் அது மலையாளம் மற்றும் சிங்களம்..இதுதான் 1100 ஆண்டுகால திராவிட மொழி வரலாறு. ஆனால் தமிழ் மொழியோ 65000 ஆண்டு கால வரலாறு கொண்டது.வீணை கொடியுடையோன் இராவணன் தமிழிசையால் சிவனை கட்டிப்போட்டான்.ராம வழிபாடு கி.பி 13 ஆம் நூற்றாண்டுக்கு பிறகே தெலுங்கு விஜயநகர பேரரசின் ஆட்சி காலத்திற்கு பிறகே தமிழகத்திற்கு வந்தது.
There is no such thing as a Dravidian civilization.
This is how lies are spread by Dravidians. 6500! Where is you get this number? Karunanidhi - A Sanskrit Name; Kalanidhi - A Sanskrit word. You guys hypocrisy is at rock high. When you guys want, you claim Kannada, Telugu and Malayalam as fellow brethren, fellow southies, fellow Dravidians. When go a little deep, you accuse and abuse fellow southies. Blaming Vijayanagara kings is your extremist thoughts pampered by your ill wit politicians for their hatred towards fellow brethren. You guys started with victimhood, discrimination, then false pride, hatred, Tamil supremacy, and it’s now leading to extremism. The reality is , all the Tamil clans from Chola, Pandya, Pallava, to the poligars were all part of Bharata Varsha and encouraged Hindu culture. They never felt their gene line was a separate one.
ராவணன் கொடியிலுள்ள வீணை எங்கிருந்து கிட்டியது.
சுற்றியுள்ள திராவிடர்களின் மொழியில் சம்ஸ்கிருதம் எவ்வாறு கலந்தது.
கன்னடர் தெலுங்கரெல்லாம் நேற்று முன்தினம் தோன்றியவர்களா..
சிலரின் என் மதம்தான் சிறந்தது என்ற வாதத்தின் அழுக்கை உமது வாதத்தில் காண்கிறேன்.
ஆம்.மாலிக்காபூர் வராவிட்டால்,சேர,சோழ,பாண்டிய நாடுகளாக அடித்துக்கொண்டு வாழ்ந்திருப்போம்.விஜயநகரபேரரசு வராவிட்டால்,லுங்கி தமிழர்களின் தேசிய உடை,உருது,பார்சி தேசிய மொழிகள் ஆகியிருக்கும் ஆகியிருக்கும்.
Is the aeard for a musician or for a believer? If it's for music then TMK is worthy of it. He is a genius. If you canot understand the nuances of music as deep as TMK, then it's not his fault. Many sing like a sparrot. But TMK has deeper perspective and sings accordingly. Recently he sang Sree Narayana guru's poems which is very philosophical in classical style. It was really fantastic. My ony objection to him is his allowing modification of existing krithis to suit other religions beliefs like replacing Devi with Mary and the like......That should not be done. Write new poems catering to other belief. Just because he has done this will not make his music in any way less wonderful. Nothing will change the fact that he is a genius and a wonderful mudician. Academy should have considered him long back.
கேள்வி கேட்பவர் ஒரு திக ஆதரவாளர்.
Yes absolutely and this is current state of many states where Hindus are lesser. Leave alone Brahmins. Allegation that it’s Brahmin dominated is not acceptable.
இசையை ரசிக்க மொழி ஒரு தடை இல்லை. எத்தனையோ ஹிந்தி பாடல்கள் தெற்கிலும், தென்மொழி பாடல்கள் வடக்கிலும் பிரபலம். மேலும்,தெலுங்கு கீர்த்தனை பாடும் அரைவாசி கர்நாடக பாடகர்களுக்கே அதன் பொருள் சரியாக தெரியாது, அவர்களின் மொழி உச்சரிப்பே சாட்சி. அது போக, கர்னாடக இசையை ரசிக்கும் "ஒரு சாரார்" ரசிகர்களுக்கே ஒரு தெலுங்கு கீர்தனையின் முக்கால் வாசி பொருள் அறவே தெரியாது. தமிழ் நாட்டில் கர்நாடக இசை, பரதம் மற்றும் கிரிக்கெட் "ஒரு சாராருக்கு" ரிசர்வ் செய்யப்பட்ட துறைகள்.
Sadly if one sings in pure Tamizh only a handful understand it !
who understand Telugu
@@ramsundaram4615 correctly said it takes intelligence two neighbourly languages! Not everyone is endowed with language skills. For ignorant people Telugu is a language admixture of Tamizh Kannada Samskritam Hindi Urdu ! Many cannot decipher the the ancient Tamizh of temple walls. ! Sadly most need interpretation / translation of even Thirukural! Goswami Tulasidas had translated Ramayanam into simple Hindi to reach the common man! Now people need translation of his Hindi Ramayanam! Language evolves. Tamizh is no exception! The present day Tamizh is an admixture of original Tamil( Samskritam Urdu ( spoken) you should love all languages to realise it ! World has become a global village due to social media! It’s each ones choice !
@@ramsundaram4615 Ancient Tamizh and Telugu can be understood only by few polyglots. ! You and your circle are not polyglots I assume! What about our poet Bharathi has all love for all Indian languages!
👌 song sir
It is due to complexity of carnatic music. It is due to one taking interest. Not all brahmins take interest in carnatic music. If we take for example Shri. Jesudas or Shri. Somasundaram they are great carnatic muscitians and eespect the music. Shri. Jesudas learnt from GNB and not TMK. Now a days many from other than brahmins take interest in carnatic music and sing very well. Tamizh makkal living abroad send their children for learning carnatic music, bharta natiyam etc. They give concerts in their cities. So now a days indian families take interest in familiarizing in carnatic music. In one of the gulf countries, the best musician is a not a brahmin girl. They all learn because of their parents and with their own interest They do not learn because of TMK
In the case of TMK he looks highly egoist and arrogancy and try to redicule brahmins purposely as he knows he will git TN political support. Let him enjoy with his activism and not to be allowed to mix with the divinity of carnatic music.
Like Hindi here in TN the two Dravidian Parties will not allow state school to teach carnatics musics to the aspiring student in the Govt schools. Because it is more in the name or praising Hindu gods which they are against it. Then how come Carnatic music reach the lower strata of the society like Hindi. In all the other states in the South.Of Vindhyas it's not so! This shld not be like that only then everyone can learn it. Without that there is no other of Carnatic music common man..by threatening and capturing the music. academy if the dmk feels that it can make it easily accessible to all the form of folk songs including Carnatic music is only mid summer knight dream! 🤗😁😊
Not fair to blame a particular caste. Carnatic music should be made available to the masses. Every temple must conduct classes.
It is just like finding fault with Sachin Tendulkar for scoring so many runs and centuries. Batting skill has naturally come to him. As some one said, learning Carnatic music takes more years which requires sacrifice and dedication. Why selectively one section of a community is accused for everything that is happening under the Sun. and I want people to understand a Child does not pray to God to be born to a particular Mother. ( I can hear people asking me how can a child select his o her Mother before being born) Is it fair to deprive the concessions which are given to other Children and but not to another kid on the basis of Caste. The caste enmity has been there for over 70 years and you cannot remove it easily as there are concessions firmly fixed over it .
T m Kriahna a crude man but why we r always adamant in singing in Telugu only.
Give respect to native language also. Two wrongs do not make one correct but give respect to Tamil n ignore Hindu newspaper n his Krishna T M.
TM Krishna will be singing a RTP "General Dyer Mahaan, Sikh log They bewakoof" and presenting it at Jallian Walla Bhagh and at the Amritsar Golden temple. Go TMK!!
Not even language is a problem for DMK KRISHNA !
😅
HE is barking on the ORDERS of DRAVISHAM and Monetary Inducements 😢
Carnatic Music is the art of performing the science of music.
DMK = TMK
I am glad to tell you all that sri TMK has agreed to sing the following ragam thanam pallavi that I have composed during the cermony at the Music academy; Further he has agreed to recommend me for getting sangeedha kalanidhi next year and a full page article on me in The hIndu sunday magazine.. Here is the ragam thanam pallavi composed by me . Hope all of you will attend and enjoy this song ராவணனை துதிப்போம் வாரீர் லங்கேஸ்வரனை துதிப்போம் வாரீர்
நம்பும்படி ஏதாவது சொல்லுடா.
அடுத்த வருடம் சங்கீத கலாநிதி பட்டம் வாங்க உங்களுக்கும் TM Krishna வடிவில் ஒரு ராவணன் கிடைத்துவிட்டார் போலும்...
தெய்வத்திடம் ஒரு நாள் பதில் சொல்லித்தான் ஆக வேண்டும்.
அன்று எந்த ராவணன் உங்கள் உதவிக்கு வருவார்?
@@padhmajasatyamoorti7688 so you believed it!! ha ha
Karnataka sangeetham ellorukkum poi sera vendum enbathu nalla nokkam, aanal Thiaga brahmathayum MS ammavayum ezhivu padutha koodathu.
Carnatic music iit range. Ellarum vara mudiyadhu
Without divinity no carnatic music
No one can accept that simple truth
Elementary maths and pure maths are not the sane and all cannot appreciate.only those who have interest can appreciate.same with carnatic music and only those who have time to practise ,improvise can learn,profess,shine in this field.has TMK has acheived in his life all the goals and agenda he is proposing for others .
Whether T.M.Krishna is saying and doing things out of his own intentions or instigated to do.so is a different question, also.he can follow and praise any social reformer ,so be it ,now the $1 M question is what for Music Academy has awarded Sangitha Kalanidhi ?
Is it for his rationalist and reforming thoughts?
Why the Music Academy has not come out with what for they have awarded him the Sangeeta Kalanidhi?
All youngsters of
Tamil Nadu watchng
Hollywood & Bollywood movies
All r singing
ARR s Hindi film songs
How ?
Apdiye
Mozhi Purinju
Ragam purinjaa paadaraanga
In hindustani music
no words at all
Like carnatic .music
anga niraya
Keerthanaigal
kidayaadhu
But their rasikas dint
Questioned it
Or diluted it
Till there r huge rasikkaas for it
Michael jackson fans yevlavo per irukkaanga
Inga
Avar yenna India kku vandhu class eduthaaraa
Ipdi kelunga
Ipdi raseenga nu
No
Music has no language
Religion caste etc.
It depends upon individual s interest & taste avlodhaan.
Yaarukku edhu
Pudikkudho
Ketkattum
Kathukkattum
Y to force people to hear carnatic music
No need
None forced anyone to learn carnatic music. I don't know the meaning of many Hindi songs, carnatic songs or even Tamil songs. But they are soothing my mind, I hear intently. But TM Krishna or N.Murali are long back converted from Hinduism for material pleasures, just like page 21 Dravidians. If we don't like it, then we should move out.
இரவனே ஸ்வரன் பிரமனார் இல்லை ஈசனை மயங்கவைதார் அறிவு ஆற்றல்இசை ஞானம் தேவை அரசியல் க்கு அதுதேவை இல்லை வாரிசாக இருந்தால் போதும்
அன்று மகாகவியையே ஒதிக்கி வைத்தவர்கள் இவரை ஒதுக்குவதில் என்ன ஆச்சரியம் இருக்கிறது... காலம்... கற்பிக்கும்...
The reason behind this carnatic is majority with Brahmins, is because, they are sincerely worshipping the art form, they encourage their family members to learn and give girls to marry a boy who plays mridangam or sing songs. But other caste people, give girls only to an Engineer or any professionals.
In that way, Brahmins should be appreciated and praised for. But there is no restriction for anyone to learn and practice. If any non Brahmins who learn and prove their talent in perfection of the art, it would be appreciated by people.
Definitely there is a lobby of Brahminism is there, but it is natural because they are practicing Carnatic music for generations.. certainly there is a domination. But as far as i know, noone got demolished life because of their red tapism in this field.
தமிழில் தேவாரம், திருப்புகழ் பாடுவது கூட கஷ்டம் தான் ஆதனால் பாடமல் விட்டுவிட முடியுமா.
இசை ஒரு சமூகத்தினருக்கு மட்டும் சொந்தம் இல்லை.
இசை அனைவருக்கும் பொது. ஆர்வம் உள்ளவர்கள் கற்று கொள்ளலாம்.
By learning it is not diluted! And that is the STUPIDEST argument!
TM Krishna is a good carnatic legend ...
Most of the brahmins in the comment sections says that Carnatic music is complex as if they had some extra brain in their asses. This is pure arrogance which simply shows their incompetency to simplify an artform for general public consumption.
Such a casteist behavior
மேடம் கேட்டவுடனே பாடமுடியாதுன்னு எல்லாருக்கும் தெரியும். நீங்க என்ன கேட்டவுடனேவா பாடிடிங்க..பலநாள் பயிற்சி செய்துதான பாடரிங்க ..முயறசிசெய்தால் எல்லாராலயும் முடியும்ணு சொல்றதுதான் நேர்மை,பெருந்தன்மை. உங்களமாதிரி லெஜெண்ட்ஸ்லாம் இப்படி பேசறிங்க பாருங்க. அதான் தாங்க முடியல.
Carnatic கத்துகிறத்துக்கு Basic Interest வேணும்..நிறைய Practice பண்ணணும்.. So யார் வேணும்னாலும் கத்துக்கலாம்...But it so happens அந்த Interest Dedication எல்லாம் அதிகமாக Brahmins கிட்டேதான் இருக்கு..It is an irrefutable fact...In most brahmins family learning music is a must..
@@drjayaram3462 எதுக்கு சுத்திவளச்சு பேசறிங்க . நாங்கதான் பாடுவோம்,நீங்கள்லாம் கத்துக்கப்படாதுனு சொல்லுங்கோ.
கர்நாடக இசையையே புறக்கணிகிறேன்... 🌋
Sudhaji and PRP speak correctly
T. M கிருஷ்ணா மிகச் சிறந்த மாமனிதர், ❤❤❤ ஆரிய பிராமணர்கள் தமீழ் இசையை திருடியது மட்டுமல்லாமல் இறைவனிடமிருந்து தமிழை பிரித்தது மகாபாவச் செயல்.
Music is for everyone, it's beyond cast , creed and religion. Some trying hard to make it their own. That's where the issue is. Unlike what this lady said, Any one can learn anything provided they're given with necessary training and time.
All these so called singers are from well to do family, and with enough background.
if Sri Rajarathnam Pillai is playing Nadaswaram people will be mesmerised and listen for 5 to 6t hours togather, No one will even an inch
Wow how can a carnatic musician perform in western countries and accept a foreign student if lyrics is the essence of carnatic music. Music is derived from Vedas. And it is a science like dance, sculpture , ayurveda etc. Music doesn’t need lyrics. Ragas can be performed and heard with bhakti bhava. There is no compulsion to use any particular name of God because every science is connected to God. Most people in my state even though they listen to carnatic music don’t understand the lyrics. Sometimes even the singer doesn’t because it’s not written in his mother tongue. Also Vedas are for everyone. A shilpi is not a brahmin. A kshatriya is not a brahmin. Yet all the shastras followed by kshatriyas and shilpis are derived from vedas. These castes were just the names given based on their profession. People who have narrow mindset are not yet ready to accept it. The real Sanatana dharma is not based on discrimination. For understanding that one should open their mind, understand one’s true purpose of life. If you’re born with the ability to sing even if you’re a non brahmin you can train Carnatic music. God himself qualified you. You don’t have to be a Brahmin. Yes discrimination exists.
TMK is an empty vessel.. ignore him
Correct he is mental
S, is for Brahmin
🎉 super... கொஞ்சமாவது படிங்க... இன்னும் இந்த விசயத்தில் இருந்து Pre KG ய தாண்ட மாட்டீங்களா??? பாரம்பரிய, கலாச்சார நம்பிக்கை தான் இங்கே... ரொம்ப அதிகமாக திணிக்கப்பட்டது. (Conditioning mind) பல நூற்றாண்டுகளாக இங்கே உலகம் முழுவதும்: அப்பாவி மக்களை கூமூட்டை, தற்குறிகளாக (நயவஞ்சகமாக) ஆக்கி விட்டனர்... (ஆரண்யகம், சம்ஹித்தை மற்றும் பிரமாணம்... மிக ஆழமாக படித்து புரிந்து கொள்ளுங்கள்) எல்லா உயிர்களையும் முதலில் நேசிக்கக் கற்றுக்கொண்டு... உங்கள் குழந்தைகளுக்கும் கற்றுக்கொடுங்கள். பெருமை பீத்திக் கொள்ள ஒரு மண்ணும் கிடையாது.(நியாயா, வைசேசிகா குறிப்பாக மிமாசகர்களை படித்து புரிந்து கொண்டால் தான் இவர்கள் எல்லாரும் தெளிவடைய வாய்ப்பு உண்டு🎉 தயவு செய்து படிங்க... சார்வக்கா Philosophy... அளவுக்கு, இங்கு எந்த logic கும்... கிடையாது. பாவம் மக்களின் மூட தனத்தை உங்கள் மூலதனம்... என்று பிழைப்பு நடத்தாதீர்கள்... அது பரிபூர்ண அன்புக்கு எதிரானது.
உலக உயிர்களில் எல்லா மனித உயிர்களும், பிரம்மம்/(ஆத்மா) உயிர்ப்பு என்ற ஒன்றை உணர்ந்து, அதை அடைய முயன்று, பிரம்மம் ஆகவே ஆவதுதான்... மனித உயிரின் இலக்கு. அந்த மனிதன் தான் உண்மையான பிராமின் (அகம் பிரம்மாஸ்மி). பிராமணர்கள் ஒரு தனிப்பட்ட மனித ஜாதி என்று பெருமை பீத்த ஒரு மண்ணும் கிடையாது. (கொஞ்சமாவது படிங்கடா).
போங்கடா... போங்கடா... உங்க குழந்தைகளை உண்மையா படிக்க வைங்கடா. (கடவுள் தன்மைக்கு எதிரான Ego வை... அவர்களுக்கு ஊட்டி வளர்க்காதீர்கள்). எல்லா உயிர்களையும் மதிக்கும்... தகுதி அவர்களுக்கு மலருட்டும்🎉
ஒரு நாய்க்கு இருக்கும் பரிபூர்ண அன்பு கூட (2024 வரை) இல்லையடா... ச்சே. மனுஷ ஜென்மம்மாடா நீங்க.😮
டேய்... எந்த உயிரையும் பாரபட்சம் பார்க்காமல், பரிபூர்ண அன்போடு முறையாக சொல்லி கொடுத்தால், கற்றுக்கொண்டால்... எவருக்கும் சாத்தியம். AI ல கூட ரோபோக்களை: சாதனைகள் செய்ய வைக்க முடியும்.
ஆனாலும்... ஒரு நயவஞ்சக தற்குறிகளால் தான் சக மனிதர்களை ஒரு மயிராகக் கூட மதிக்காமல், உளவியல் ரீதியாக (கடவுள் பெயரால்) ஏமாற்றி... தாழ்த்தி... அடிமைகளாக்கி... வம்சாவளி யாக... ஒதுக்கி வைத்து, பல்லாயிரம் நூற்றாண்டுகளில் அவர்களாகவே தாழ்வு மனப்பான்மையில் கூனிக் குறுகி... கருகி, காய்ந்து போய் மிருகத்தை விடவும் மோசமாக கிடக்கிறார்கள். (இந்த சிஸ்டம் இன்றைக்கு 2024 வரை... உரம் போட்டு வளர்த்துக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறார்கள்😮 ச்சே... மனித உயிற்களாடா... நீங்கள்... நம்பிக்கை துரோகிகளா... உங்களை போய் இந்த அப்பாவி மனிதர்கள்... சாமி சாமி... என்று கூப்பிடுகிறார்கள்... அவர்களின் காலில் ஒட்டிய பீக்கு கூட உங்களை ஒப்பிட முடியாது.😮)
Spreading negativity should be curbed whoever it is. Thyagarakaswamy sung in telugu sung by all south indians like tamilians, malayalis, kannadigas, telugus brahmins non brahmins christians whoever is talented and interested and has involvement why unnecessarily make it contraversial. A musician needs bhakthi and dedication whoever is interested will follow we can't force anybody into it.
அவர் செய்யறாரா அவர் ... செருப்பால அடிச்சது தெரியுது. ஆனா சட்டுன்னு தெரியல . ஊமை குத்தா இருந்தாலும் பலமான குத்து. வாழ்த்துக்கள் தாயே.
Yes true. But, There is no கழக கூட்டம் in kerala to feed bad principles....
It takes lot of efforts and sustained dedication even to come up to a certain level in carnatic music, leae alone giants. All legends have reached that height after such arduous training. Even to be a rasika, it requires some knowledge. But except for those very passionate about it, others go after some easy ways of getting fame and money. Many many Nadaswara vidwans are not from brahmin community, but it is their hard efforts. Even small Temple and marriage, receptions like that, they are playing good. others (not brahmins) are willing or even inclined to put efforts for such fine arts like music or dance etc.? There are other art forms they are attracted to as per their aptitude. Even in Supersinger dshows, many many are capable or have potential to choose carnatic music. But very few opt for that for so many reasons. Just take JEE or NEET exams. Its like that.
This gang should give up the practice of using the music for corrupting something and cheating the people.