Wonderful, engaging lecture and paper by an anthropologist who knows his settings and sources well enough to be self-deprecating. I studied European Pietism and American Church history at undergrad and grad levels, but Dr Chacon ties it all together with a singularly entertaining style. By this, he effectively evokes tremendous insights into the etiology and social milieux antedating the Fundamentalist Movement proper. He does this with evident intellectual virtue tempered with well-timed jocundity. I hope he was invited back!
I agree with the majority of the speaker's presentation. One corrective I would suggest. By the time of the Second Great Awakening, there were many Christian organizations devoted to good works that developed because of the revivals. These included orphanages, food distributions, schools, and--very importantly--abolition societies. Many of the revivalists became the leading abolitionists (e.g. Charles Finney).
Where might one find Confrences like these? I'm in NC. NOT a Catholic stronghold. I'm a convert by the most mercifil, loving, blessed Grace if God Almighty. Christ loves me so much he planted the seed long ago. I used to sneak and watch mother Angelica and Life on the Rock...EWTN. How good is the goodness of GOD. LOL.
Amber, not sure where and when these talks are given, but the website has links to many of them. • Deep in History chnetwork.org/deep-in-history-home/ • Deep in Scripture chnetwork.org/deep-in-scripture-home/ Elsewhere on the website are many personal conversion stories.
These were given over a number of years in Columbus, Ohio. They no longer do these conferences. The Franciscan University of Stuebenville has similar conferences in the summer called "Defending the Faith" Conferences.
I never understood why people had such a Negative view of the word religion especially those in the more fundamentalist Protestant world because I've read my Bible and the word religion is always used as either a neutral term or a positive term. I sometimes wonder if people who claim that actually read their Bible
Modern evangelicals are usually quite fundamentalist. They differ in theology often but the basic principles are the same: 1) private interpretation of Scripture, 2) Scripture alone is sufficient, 3) Holy Spirit guides every believer equally, 4) conversion as new birth, 5) no Holy Orders (every believer is supposedly equally validated to teach)
I will tell you I live in South Carolina and a lot of this fundamentalist protestantism from that time period is still part of the culture here. Now some of these people are very sweet people, it's just the theology is bad and yes I've met people who said I'm going to hell without actually knowing anything about me. I will also tell you that even when I lived in the midwest those people were still there but I haven't lived in the midwest since I was 13 so there's that
I hate it when one of these folks tells me that I can't reject Grace because it's a gift I don't know about you but if someone gets me something for Christmas that I don't like or something that like doesn't fit me I can go and I can throw it out or I can exchange it and I can still throw out a gift. Grace might be a gift but that doesn't mean I have to accept it although I think it wise to do so
Adam Hovey yeah or you could put the gift in the closet and never even use it. They don't understand (or maybe they don't want to believe) that we must continue to cooperate with God's gift of grace.
*American Indian, the word native means to be born and it does not mean Aboriginal and the correct legal term is American Indian it's a pet peeve of mine because I was raised as an Indian not as a Native American
The original orthodox church founded in Jerusalem was a Pentecostal non trinitarian church that baptizes in the name of Jesus Christ and followed the way of holiness.....and the wolves entered and totally corrupted the truth over 300 years....and by the nicene council in 325 AD it was nothing but a bunch of corrupt minded liars establishing an apostate and satanic cult
@@dieselcowboy777 So God cannot preserve His Church and the devil won until the 20th century when a few people finally got it right and restored the “church”. You really believe this??
I don't like the once saved always saved theology I know a lot of those folks are good moral upstanding people but once you start sinning grievously after you've already been saved what do they say? I believe they say that you were never really saved to begin with but doesn't that contradict their own theology? I mean if someone said they were saved then once they have been saved isn't that it according to that theology? I don't think that makes much sense
Gerald Nichols hahahahaha wow!!! Are u God now to judge ppl???? I’m Catholic do u know what is in my heart ? Do u know how would I be when I die? Do u know how much I pray for ur self to be saved and many others? Stop judging ppl and pray with all love for everyone . And trust me if u keep thinking the same day till u die , I don’t know if u will be saved. I’ll pray for u
If you look at it historically - Calvinism, the "once saved always saved" doctrine - you find that Calvin took the ideas of St. Augustine. And if you probe a little further back in history, you find that Augustine was a Manichean Gnostic before he became a Christian! And not only that, Augustine imported wholesale the beliefs of the Manicheans into Christianity. There is NOT a shred of evidence that ANY of the earliest Church Fathers believed anything resembling either Augustinism or Calvinism. I know because when I was in my 40s I read a HUGE amount of Gnostic literature - the Nag Hammadi Library in three different translation, among others. And the fatalism of Gnosticism is identical to the basics of Five-point Calvinism. i have been forced into the conclusion that Calvinists and I do not worship the same God!
Just a constructive criticism, made in no malice to be sure, because this was a great talk with great material: you are stumbling over your words at times. May want to speak slightly slower and more clearly. Thank you for this great talk.
They do not seem to fill up their churches anywhere. Maybe in Nigeria? But in USA or England no. More church attending Catholics than Episcopalians in England.
This is a very bad video, for one thing, they cut off the beginning, what talk begins with the words 'the fourth thing is..", and he is showing apparently dozens of slides that we never even see!
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Wonderful, engaging lecture and paper by an anthropologist who knows his settings and sources well enough to be self-deprecating. I studied European Pietism and American Church history at undergrad and grad levels, but Dr Chacon ties it all together with a singularly entertaining style. By this, he effectively evokes tremendous insights into the etiology and social milieux antedating the Fundamentalist Movement proper. He does this with evident intellectual virtue tempered with well-timed jocundity.
I hope he was invited back!
By the way what a truly brilliant video! I’m not a Roman Catholic but to be quite honest with you I have a lot of respect for the current pope
Fundamentalist = a vice in the wilderness. ☺
I agree with the majority of the speaker's presentation. One corrective I would suggest. By the time of the Second Great Awakening, there were many Christian organizations devoted to good works that developed because of the revivals. These included orphanages, food distributions, schools, and--very importantly--abolition societies. Many of the revivalists became the leading abolitionists (e.g. Charles Finney).
Where might one find Confrences like these? I'm in NC. NOT a Catholic stronghold. I'm a convert by the most mercifil, loving, blessed Grace if God Almighty.
Christ loves me so much he planted the seed long ago. I used to sneak and watch mother Angelica and Life on the Rock...EWTN.
How good is the goodness of GOD.
LOL.
Amber, not sure where and when these talks are given, but the website has links to many of them.
• Deep in History chnetwork.org/deep-in-history-home/
• Deep in Scripture
chnetwork.org/deep-in-scripture-home/
Elsewhere on the website are many personal conversion stories.
These were given over a number of years in Columbus, Ohio. They no longer do these conferences. The Franciscan University of Stuebenville has similar conferences in the summer called "Defending the Faith" Conferences.
I never understood why people had such a Negative view of the word religion especially those in the more fundamentalist Protestant world because I've read my Bible and the word religion is always used as either a neutral term or a positive term. I sometimes wonder if people who claim that actually read their Bible
Not a lot of pro-Catholic apologetics videos have zero thumbs down. I'm guessing the fundies were scared to watch this one.
No, it wasn't possible to determine up or down since it made little sense.
Jacob Hoss I wish that were still true
Jacob Hoss As of Aug. 2019, we are up to a grand total of... 8 dislikes.
I would like to remind people not to confuse fundamentalism with evangelicalism they are not the same thing although sometimes they do overlap
www.ignatius.com/Products/CAF-P/catholicism-and-fundamentalism.aspx
Almost they are the same.
Modern evangelicals are usually quite fundamentalist. They differ in theology often but the basic principles are the same: 1) private interpretation of Scripture, 2) Scripture alone is sufficient, 3) Holy Spirit guides every believer equally, 4) conversion as new birth, 5) no Holy Orders (every believer is supposedly equally validated to teach)
I will tell you I live in South Carolina and a lot of this fundamentalist protestantism from that time period is still part of the culture here. Now some of these people are very sweet people, it's just the theology is bad and yes I've met people who said I'm going to hell without actually knowing anything about me. I will also tell you that even when I lived in the midwest those people were still there but I haven't lived in the midwest since I was 13 so there's that
Thank you and God bless you. Amen
Very interesting and informative to me.
I hate it when one of these folks tells me that I can't reject Grace because it's a gift I don't know about you but if someone gets me something for Christmas that I don't like or something that like doesn't fit me I can go and I can throw it out or I can exchange it and I can still throw out a gift. Grace might be a gift but that doesn't mean I have to accept it although I think it wise to do so
Adam Hovey yeah or you could put the gift in the closet and never even use it. They don't understand (or maybe they don't want to believe) that we must continue to cooperate with God's gift of grace.
Tessa V Amen to that!
that's called Pelagianism.
Pelagianism is when you believe you can earn yourself salvation without the help of Grace
John Ericson and in Pelagianism, there is a denial of original sin.
*American Indian, the word native means to be born and it does not mean Aboriginal and the correct legal term is American Indian it's a pet peeve of mine because I was raised as an Indian not as a Native American
GOD BLESS HIS ONE AND ONLY CATHOLIC CHURCH!!
Catholicism is Satan's impersonation of the church
The original orthodox church founded in Jerusalem was a Pentecostal non trinitarian church that baptizes in the name of Jesus Christ and followed the way of holiness.....and the wolves entered and totally corrupted the truth over 300 years....and by the nicene council in 325 AD it was nothing but a bunch of corrupt minded liars establishing an apostate and satanic cult
@@dieselcowboy777 So God cannot preserve His Church and the devil won until the 20th century when a few people finally got it right and restored the “church”. You really believe this??
@@guppyschildwachter6039 Catholicism isn't the church....it was Satan's impersonation of the church
@@dieselcowboy777 Early Christianity was very Catholic.
I don't like the once saved always saved theology I know a lot of those folks are good moral upstanding people but once you start sinning grievously after you've already been saved what do they say? I believe they say that you were never really saved to begin with but doesn't that contradict their own theology? I mean if someone said they were saved then once they have been saved isn't that it according to that theology? I don't think that makes much sense
Adam Hovey
Do you like his moustache?
Don't be concerned because Catholics don't "get saved" anyway.
Gerald Nichols hahahahaha wow!!! Are u God now to judge ppl???? I’m Catholic do u know what is in my heart ? Do u know how would I be when I die? Do u know how much I pray for ur self to be saved and many others? Stop judging ppl and pray with all love for everyone . And trust me if u keep thinking the same day till u die , I don’t know if u will be saved. I’ll pray for u
If you look at it historically - Calvinism, the "once saved always saved" doctrine - you find that Calvin took the ideas of St. Augustine. And if you probe a little further back in history, you find that Augustine was a Manichean Gnostic before he became a Christian! And not only that, Augustine imported wholesale the beliefs of the Manicheans into Christianity. There is NOT a shred of evidence that ANY of the earliest Church Fathers believed anything resembling either Augustinism or Calvinism. I know because when I was in my 40s I read a HUGE amount of Gnostic literature - the Nag Hammadi Library in three different translation, among others. And the fatalism of Gnosticism is identical to the basics of Five-point Calvinism. i have been forced into the conclusion that Calvinists and I do not worship the same God!
i hope there are names of these people in written form so i can use and check it for my research
Just a constructive criticism, made in no malice to be sure, because this was a great talk with great material: you are stumbling over your words at times. May want to speak slightly slower and more clearly. Thank you for this great talk.
Next slide please. : )
Followers of Jesus did not self identify using word religion. Used to to speak in third person about those that “seemed to be religious”
I have a question for you is this why there are so many Episcopal churches here in South Carolina but so few Episcopalians?
They do not seem to fill up their churches anywhere. Maybe in Nigeria? But in USA or England no. More church attending Catholics than Episcopalians in England.
Yes that is true.
excellent content, but due to the speaker's style, very difficult to listen to...
Pick a truth, any truth.
Being born again, is NOT water baptism. I am absolutely convinced from Scripture that it is instead the baptism and I filling of the Holy Spirit.
This is a very bad video, for one thing, they cut off the beginning, what talk begins with the words 'the fourth thing is..", and he is showing apparently dozens of slides that we never even see!
This is a very historically and intellectually dishonest and biased presentation.