What AI, AGI, and the Metaverse Mean for the Future of Humanity w/ Alvin W. Graylin | EP
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- In this episode, Peter and Alvin discuss how AI and AR will affect all aspects of society in the coming future.
Alvin Wang Graylin is a distinguished technology pioneer with over 30 years of experience in AI, XR, and semiconductor industries, currently serving as the Global VP of Corporate Development at HTC. He co-authored "Our Next Reality: How the AI-powered Metaverse will Reshape the World" and has held prominent roles, including China President of HTC and Vice-Chairman of the Industry of Virtual Reality Alliance (IVRA). Alvin has founded four venture-backed startups and holds advanced degrees in Computer Science and Business from MIT.
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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - The Future of Virtual Reality
2:28 - Exploring the Metaverse and AI
3:38 - Understanding the Metaverse: A Guide
12:26 - Fear of AI and Privacy
16:47 - Adapting to the AI Revolution
22:50 - The Potential of Superintelligence Unlocked
29:19 - A Company with Lifesaving Potential
31:37 - The US-China Tension on AI
39:13 - The Great AI Debate Heats Up
46:33 - Democratizing AI Through Global Collaboration
50:43 - The Future of AI Development
59:16 - Wisdom through Intelligence with Viome
1:02:23 - The Ethical Dilemma of AI Merging
1:07:08 - Finding Happiness Through Energy Abundance
1:11:17 - The Metaverse: A World of Abundance
1:15:42 - Balancing Technology and Education
1:20:17 - The Dangers of Video Games
1:21:32 - The Underestimated Importance of Soft Skills
1:25:23 - The Rise of the Metaverse
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I've been saying this for years, but I hope VR/AR/3D-space replaces chapters and chapters of text for learning. I feel like my eyes were never made to move in tiny angles across tiny text on a 2D page. 3D simulations of ANYTHING would be priceless. Save the text for equations only. Replace all other paragraphs with 3D simulations for intuitive understanding.
For learning languages and for the imagination books still have a great value. You could get very far with simulated situations, but there would have to be lots and lots of them. For formulas there is an artificial language called Numaudo, which makes them pronounceable. I have not tried it, but I think it would make mathematics easier for many people.
@@thomasruhm1677language scripts/symbols are developed later stage of linguistic development. Having said that people should talk to each other before writing books
Instead of reading we can use 3D spaces to talk to each other and learn
P.S there are languages in the world does not have scripts.
@@muhasin23 It is often difficult to find the right people to speak with, espiecially if you are not good in a language. Currenty I learning Italian. I am going to Italian events, but it is hard for me to take part in the conversations. With books I learn a lot easier. But I thought of what you said too. If a language is a bit rare, and you don’t find many speakers to meet with, you could have a large group in a digital environment. An advantage over a chat room would be, that people see, that you are paying attention, even if you are not talking, because you are only a beginner.
I like the ideas here, very contemplative.
@@muhasin23music might be a correlation of what 3D is going to do to the written languages.
Many musical artists do Not read sheet music. Especially the rock and pop musicians. They play by ear -- listening.
Just like human toddlers repeating what they hear. Before they know the alphabet and spelling of words.
Virtual 3D and voice recondition plus other forms of high tech, might replace the written languages in many humans lives in the future.
He said an amazing thing. We are much more comfortable in 3d space than 2d. Ive tried the oculus rift 2 and their horizons world and was surprised to see how much I liked it over 2d social media. The metaverse us going to happen, whether facebook makes it or another company. Its going to happen.
Thank you for making this interview! I would love to listen more to guests who are metaverse experts on your show.
In recent research, scientists have been investigating a method called "decoded neurofeedback." They used brain scanners to monitor the activity in the visual cortex while participants looked at specific objects. The participants then carried out unrelated mental tasks without knowing that they were associated with the observed patterns. As time passed, the participants became better at identifying specific object orientations without being consciously aware of it. Although this subliminal approach may not be as dramatic as the learning depicted in "The Matrix," it has the potential to eventually improve skill acquisition.
Further research indicates that the human brain may operate on a different learning principle compared to artificial neural networks. Instead of directly modifying synaptic connections, the brain initially arranges neuron activity into an optimal configuration before making adjustments. This efficient process helps retain existing knowledge, thereby accelerating the learning process.
Moreover, variability among brain cells might contribute to faster learning. Studies have shown that altering the electrical properties of individual cells can enhance learning.
That is absolutely fascinating. I can't stop thinking about this!
@@OceanGateEngineer4Hire Absolutely, the developments in AI are truly mind-blowing. The possibilities seem endless and it's exciting to see where it will take us next.
Articulated that nicely, Well said 👌🏾.
@@vittaveve1939 Well, many thanks.
AR and VR technologies have a wide range of applications:
1. Gaming: Games like "Pokemon Go!" use AR to create immersive entertainment experiences.
2. Medical Training: AR is used in medical training, from MRI applications to highly delicate surgery.
3. Design: AR and VR are transforming industries like design by providing immersive experiences for visualizing creations in a more realistic environment.
4. Education: AR and VR enhance learning experiences by making abstract concepts tangible and allowing students to interact with the subject matter.
5. Industrial Applications: AR and VR technologies are reshaping the industrial landscape, enhancing productivity and streamlining operations through virtual maintenance, repair, and digital twin visualization.
6. Food & Beverages: AR-integrated menus are a growing trend in restaurants, allowing customers to see their food before they order.
Oh - I really really like that occupation vs vocation insight. Im going to use that.
It's captivating how these sci-fi movies offer a sneak peek into the future and shape our perception of AI. They highlight potential advancements and ethical dilemmas, helping us imagine the possibilities and challenges that lie ahead. By presenting complex scenarios and futuristic technology, these films stimulate our curiosity and provoke thought about the direction AI development might take. They also remind us of the responsibilities and ethical considerations we must consider as we move forward with AI innovation. Ultimately, these movies play a crucial role in bridging the gap between science fiction and reality, making us more aware of both the opportunities and risks associated with artificial intelligence.
@Peterdiamqndis Fascinating talk on XR and AI. If we keep upgrading like this, soon our glasses will be smarter than we are! What's next, AI running for office?
@Peterdiamqndis Fascinating talk on XR and AI. If we keep upgrading like this, soon our glasses will be smarter than we are! What's next, AI running for office?
Research suggests that prioritizing experiences over material possessions tends to lead to greater happiness. While some studies show that wealthier people tend to be happier, focusing solely on accumulating money can actually have the opposite effect. However, even having just a little extra cash in your savings account (around £500) can increase life satisfaction. To keep more cash on hand, consider asking yourself: What non-essential expenses genuinely contribute to my happiness? If the answer is no, try taking a break from those expenses. Additionally, spending on experiences, buying time, and investing in others are ways to promote happiness. Remember that individual personalities play a role in spending choices, and future research may provide more personalized advice to maximize happiness from your money. So, consider creating memorable experiences and investing in meaningful connections for lasting happiness!
@Peterdiamqndis Great insights shared in the video. The future of XR and AI integration looks promising, especially in terms of enhancing our daily lives and creating new opportunities. Excited to see how these technologies will continue to evolve and impact us.
Intelligent and insightful discussion - thx guys!
Alvin Graylin is an alumnus of the University of Washington’s Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering (UW ECE) and graduated with a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering (BSEE) in [Insert Year].
He has founded four venture-backed startups in areas ranging from AI-based natural language search to big-data AI analytics across China and the U.S.
As an investor, he has been involved in funding over 100 startups.
He is frequently featured at leading international conferences and in the media on topics relating to AI, XR, entrepreneurship, and for his insights on the Chinese market.
He is also vice-chairman of the Industry of Virtual Reality Alliance in China and president of the Virtual Reality Venture Capital Alliance.
He has given a TED talk where he discusses the impact of Augmented and Virtual Reality on our world.
It would be nice if the U.S WAS able to work with China on things like A.I, but it can't happen so long as they keep stealing intellectual property that ends up used in their military due to their "dual-use" and "unrestricted warfare" doctrines. China's economy has been on a downward spiral, it isn't any threat to the U.S economy in actuality. He is forced to go by the CCP propaganda, else he'll quickly lose those companies back in China or even have his family gone after. That kind of malevolent authoritarian regime simply can't be worked with.
Star Trek's Holodeck is the ultimate emersion. Also, the move "The First" is the best example of what you are describing with glasses.
love ur work Peter - Shabs from the UK
I would like to see an app showing the best (hidden) Streetart for example! 😊
Or "Assist me doing this Minigolf shot" 😊
"Help me playing billiards"
"Blend in an outline of this analog drawing and how to hold a pen to draw it"
Or otherwise EVIL: "Assist me to hit my target with this gun" 😮
Or between: "Assist me to attract this person saying the right words"
Unfortunately many people don’t have a “calling”. And if given more free time, they are loosing even more purpose; they will be more lost, out raged, toxic, and depressed. People need to work to find purpose in life and avoid boredom and it’s unintended consequences.
*losing
Honestly I wouldn’t mind robotics and AI taking over the super laborious, repetitive, and boring tasks that the more unfortunate people have to do like as in a factory worker, admin offices, tax accountants etc. Boredom has been around since the ancient times of the human race. We’ve come far from first inventing the wheel, but mankind’s boredom, unhappiness, yearnings and competitive greedy nature are still thriving and has never been understood. I think most intelligent people appreciate the raw nature of the universe and earth that was not man-made and will always be the most enticing mystery that AI or any other tech can never be a match to. Ai and private blockchains I think will bring a harmonious future for us because nobody can get scammed like we’ve been scamming for centuries by middle men of businesses, lawyers, banks (including any nation’s government fattening themselves from their people!). The only way to get rid of ‘feeling lost’, bored, rage or depression is to see what thoughts are contributing to this sense of emptiness and to see we are not our thoughts, that we ourselves have a programmed virus telling us that we have to work hard to get any money. Maybe that emptiness is the source of all creation. When Jesus said to work by the “sweat of our brow”, perhaps he meant to ‘think’ about our human troubles very deeply, “know thyself”, to love. I’m not sure love is here on this planet in mankind’s heart. If it were, there would be no wars. Wars are for the very rich to stay rich while young people get maimed and slaughtered fighting for richman’s business deal.
Love this. Alvin is an absolute legend in this field. Happy you invited him.
In the metaverse, people won’t be fighting over limited resources but sharing unlimited ones. It is very promising, 99% of humanity would benefit from such a utopian idea!
But when you take the goggles off?
A physical resource is inherently limited. Therefore, not everyone will have equal resources -- tech gadgets.
How are humans then created?
@@steveflorida5849 Ultimately limited, but in practice (i.e. next few millennia, and perhaps much longer) there is no significant limit. With enough energy, all resources become extractable/creatable in effectively unlimited amounts.
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The right to privacy is not diminished in the lack of its presence. 🕉️
I'll take the real world thanks - why on earth would we want to get to 'ready player one'?
🙄.... seriously when billions of people no long are need or required by the state or the hyperweathlty it is not going to be pleasant.
Theme Nights: Every couple of weeks, you can enjoy a new theme night where you celebrate foods, music, and movies from different regions and cultures. You can have dinner in front of the TV, explore a new hobby together, or even make your own homemade movie.
Sensory Experiences: Pay attention to your senses. Slow down and savor tastes, smells, sensations, and sounds. Whether it's trying a new agua fresca flavor or enjoying gelato, let food enhance your memories.
Firsts: Take advantage of opportunities for "firsts". Visit a new place every year, explore local parks, restaurants, or hidden back roads. Take a class together to learn something new and share the memory of learning.
Happiness should be something that everything alive should be able to enjoy and share freely and infinitely without any cost. Mankind has struggled, forever, to cover the cost of happiness with worldly possessions becoming clannish and distrustful along the way. It hasn't worked for most, sadly. Let us trust that humankind has the ability and, now more than ever, the potential tools to turn this dilemma around.
Have you seen the movie ATLAS with J.Lo? Corny movie, but I’m sure it’s telling us what’s to come! And wanting us to gain trust in AI 🤖
This topic gives me an “ick” feeling when I consider infants and children and their needs for brain development. Parents need to be 100% present. Period.
I own a quest 3. Its fantastic. Its much clearer than the quest 2 and yiu have great experiences and gaming with it.
Where is Terrance Howard 🤣
Everyone talks about abundance, but if we aren’t working, and we don’t have our jobs then how are we gonna afford to do all these fun exciting things that we now have time to do. For the super rich it doesn’t affect you and for the companies creating this or they’re only gonna get wealthier but what about everyone else. We haven’t had time to, acclimate to the ideal of joblessness. I think most people talking about this are pretty much the wealthy or someone who’s going to get wealthy from this technology
Ai jobloss or human 2.0? Maybe. But with swell robotics everywhere, Ai jobloss is the only thing I worry about anymore. Anyone else feel the same? Should we cease Ai?
Peter please listen to the podcast The Cipher on bbc sounds
I’ve created hundreds of Metaverse spaces for a wide variety of use cases. I’m throwing a rave June 30th celebrating Pride month. At Radio by Altered Alley on Spatial.
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HTC a leading company? mm ok...
i want to be much more smarter than an average today human so i can understand more and more of the universe. I want to be able to assimilate any kind of knowledge at a very quick rate. I understand this is not what everybody wants, but its the end goal, so i want eventually to merge with AI, or at least giving me "more compute" like i dont know, more brain infraestructure that I use instead of an AI? i dont know how it would work but you know what i mean
Who are the good people to decide who the bad guys are?
1:05:51 a scientific calculator from 1976 AD is still a thousand times faster at doing a lot of longer equations and makes far fewer errors than I and I don't see any reason for me to figure out how to do all that in my head.
I think its a cop out saying people aren't taking the actions to protect themselves, the company created the environment, they make the money, they dictate how it works, it is 100% the companies responsibility to keep its users safe or true accountability would be the company's closure. Stop blaming your users for your poor exploitation of them.
All you have to do is have people in the loop watching monitoring the AI that is programming the AI so we can direct the recursive programming right?
We’ll be like chimps to advance AI, so pretty difficult to have humans in the loop to monitor their work. 😉
@@alvin.w.graylin We are almost like chimps compared to even a simple scientific calculator in that narrow application.
A.I. are just algorithms that might appear to be on par with humans, or way beyond them, but are not conscious.
It is probable that these systems will only become conscious if there is effort to make them so.
Ai personal conscience/right choice maker agent named Jiminy cricket would be awesome….. maybe a AI agent called shoulder angel…..😏
You heard it here first ….. you’re welcome
Peter, you really should grow beard.
I like him, but Honestly I don't think he is a good source. There are so many obvious plot holes in his vision.
No one said that!
Shifting from Occupation to Vocation will historically liberate the humans species from the drudgery of thier human labour.
It is good to hear that around 1/3 AI researchers in US is from China but the tragedy is there is almost nil percentage of AI researchers able to work in China tells us something.
FYI, China has a vibrant AI research community. They are behind the US, but not by that far. There’s as much if not more AI papers coming out of China than any other country.
@@alvin.w.graylin I agree about the AI research in China. However my problem is, about its authoritarian political system that most of us will not prefer to live our lives. Therefore, my question is, if given a chance, will the Chinese people like to live in a democratic countries like US and Europe or still prefer to live in the political system of thier country?
@@alvin.w.graylin I've seen the products of some of that "research". Companies re-packaging ChatGPT resulting in its "netizens" confused over how badly it translates Mandarin. "Sara A.I" at a Huawei booth being a Thai girl with a microphone. Image-generators used for overly-saturated propaganda posts on social media. The world is getting less and less fooled by such fakery.
The fields of "rotting" EVs show just how much of a grain of salt that any raw numbers coming out of China must be taken with. Having the biggest number of something doesn't mean that is a meaningful number. It's just done to fake being in a leading position to trick investors.
@@vallab19 (looks like my reply to alvin disappeared, maybe will stay replying here instead) The problem with A.I research in China is it very much isn't vibrant. It's heavily subsidized by their government because they see it as a way to show they're a leader in tech, but they've done the same thing with 5G and "green technology" and so on with the same result: companies cutting corners and just faking progress instead. LLMs that are actually re-packaged "western" models. "Sara A.I" demo actually being a lady with a microphone. Intel chips lasered to erase their identifying info and replaced with fake info.
Hong Kong's protesters very much give you the answer of whether they would rather be democratic like "the west".
@@Vaeldarg Yes, your views on China seems to reflect the reality of thier technological progress.
My hyper-specific predictions for the next 5 or so years:
"Pokémon GO" will be the first app to bring AR glasses to mass appeal. It will be hugely popular; every other person you know will have an AI Pokémon "pet", this will lead to "FOMO" and everyone will want a pair of AR glasses so that they can see one another's Pokémon.
People will have augmented reality digital human AGI friends, which will include, but will not be limited to, historical figures, and popular fictional characters. At first they will be AR illusions, but after a year or two, people will augment these digital "skins" over embodied humanoid robots. Wanna go bowling with George Washington? No problem.
"Westword" style LARP theme parks will take off in a big way, utilising the above technology, but also using augmented reality to create elaborate set dressing that is out of physical reach (like the tops of tall statues, trees and buildings), and special effects, like magic lightning bolts, dragons flying about in the sky, explosions, etc.
Women will no longer apply make up physically, but will instead apply AR beauty face filters.
The argument that with intelligence and that AI being intelligent means that it will have wisdom is a HUGELY flawed premise. Having loads of data and being intelligent does not necessarily mean that such data or intelligence will be used wisely. Wisdom is created through consistent experience with the data/information/intelligence that is given. AI can be programmed by what a human thinks is a wise choice and it can spit that out but AI (as well as we as human itself can only be able to have wisdom through experience (ie trial and error with said intelligence/information) to know if something is wise. Wisdom requires the capacity to make thoughtful, contemplative choices, with virtues/values/ethics/common sense, experiential self knowledge, understanding of complicated situations, self transcendence, unbiased judgment, and understanding (thereby making AI conscious and sentient) all of which AI may be programmed to do by what a human tells it to do (ie imitate or simulate such) BUT is unable to conjure such on its own of its own volution as humans do. AI can view the list of possible scenarios that are programmed into it by a human and spit out what may be the best choice out of that but AI is incapable of conjuring its own thoughts therefore does not have the ability to make thoughtful contemplative choices nor does it have understanding within complicated situations (it can only give the list of possible scenarios but it is free from understanding them as we humans understand) ergo is incapable of having wisdom.
You don't know any knowledgeable people who are super corrupt you said? Hmmm....so I suppose Stalin, Hitler just to name a couple were dumb then? From what I know and understand both were quite knowledgeable and both super corrupt!
The whole thing about working with China on any of this is flawed in general. They've faked all their own A.I advancements (their "Sara A.I" at a Huawei booth was faked with a girl there talking into a microphone, their ChatGPT clone couldn't understand Mandarin...because it WAS just a re-packaged ChatGPT, etc.) and tend to focus on military/propaganda applications of the tech instead. They're already using image-generators to fake views of areas in China (which they've already done through heavy photo-shopping, but it is done a lot faster now with A.I), and we're meant to encourage their development of it...?
Devices are not the problem. I have a quest 3 and it's fine as a device. The Programms and Games just suck
Come on guys, unless you closely monitor AGI as it emerges you cannot know with certainty what it will do with the whole human lexicon of knowledge and history. The hair on your neck should be standing on end as it is on my neck when thinking how quickly and unpredictably this is unfolding. Elon’s noble intent to make sure it is truth seeking and fact based might help but there are too many players from which to mess it up.
But... The lack of human contact with other humans and nature is causing serious problems. Or is it only the algorithms causing these problems? Whatever, the algos need to be fixed to reach your vision of abundance. If not, we're headed for dystopia.
I own the meta quest 3. It is not as problematic as the rift. But it still is disturbing. Something is wrong. The lenses just do not feel real. You become confused. Disturbed. Immediately after putting the headset on. It feels a little like wearing wrong glasses. No headset out there is free of this. So therefore i just can not stay in vr too. Long. No matter if i just sit still. Once i put on the headset it feels bad. Immediately. And i LOVE VR. But it just messes me up. Really, really, really messes with your head. There is nothing i can do. This technology is therefore FAR from being perfect. The biggest problem is that it makes you confused and physically unwell. No one will ever " enter the metaverse " as long VR is as flawed as that. I would be in VR all the time. If i could. I can not. It makes me puke
The apple product will fail like the apple Newton. It has to be more practical. Smaller like wearing a pair of glasses. I tried one out with my 13 yo daughter. She wasn’t impressed and said “silly”.
I think the team at Apple agrees but wishes the platform out there so that it is mature by the time that size/weight is possible.
So for most of this podcast you are convincing us how wonderful it is to be in a metaverse and have these virtual glasses on etc and then at the end you say that parents should limit video games because they can be addicting and only provide value short term? Hmmmm....talk about contradictory! And not only that but you are making the case for what I and others have said on here about virtual metaverse is not of value!
The host also mentions about "democratisation" of the technology.....with China, a country without democracy. (even going so far as to try re-defining what the word "democracy" means, to pretend that they have it since it's become synonymous with successful countries by this point) Can't really work with those companies there, given their history of completely self-serving business practices of stealing from/undercutting every given industry. Nothing but red flags there.
Of course, his family is in China, right? He cannot be so dumb with regards what happens in China
I lived in both China and U.S. the last 18 years… I’m likely more aware of what happens in China than most. Don’t believe everything you read in the media…
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Nope nope nope nope.
Everyone talks about abundance, but if we aren’t working, and we don’t have our jobs then how are we gonna afford to do all these fun exciting things that we now have time to do. For the super rich it doesn’t affect you and for the companies creating this or they’re only gonna get wealthier but what about everyone else. We haven’t had time to, acclimate to the ideal of joblessness. I think most people talking about this are pretty much the wealthy or someone who’s going to get wealthy from this technology
Read the book. Your questions are explained in detail. FYI, I come from very humble beginnings and get no personal benefit from the technology we’re discussing. Also, the book is structured as a debate so both the optimistic and pessimistic views are covered.